The "multiple streams of income" is nice, but it's too dependent upon having money available to invest, or having very specialized skills. If a person doesn't have something in either of those categories, then what? See, as a Gen Xer, I resent having Congress upped the retirement on my cohort when _staying_ employed isn't necessarily within an individual's control after 55! It's ridiculously easy to win a racism/sexism suit against an employer, but few to none ever win an ageism suit, even when it would be more than obvious. Employers don't want employees. They want robots to whom they make no concessions because they make no demands. That's really what we're up against here. The only alternate route is to try employment with a small business, or work the "gig" economy and try to survive.
You have never done a video on what jobs not to apply for? I am sixty years old, never wanted to climb the corporate ladder and there a lot of the jobs that only ask for 2 to 4 years of experience. Do I bother?
What companies are these and what planet are you from? It's my experience even at the age of 39 nonetheless I was still a retail manager for 23 years and I can say that the vast majority of places tend to hire older because typically that's who the management is and so that's who they care to hire. Even if they're idiots they still pretty much got the job secured just based on their age everyone else is generally screwed over because they're deemed to be too young even if they are around about 40 years old currently.
@government_costumes-ui5lx Your industry might well be an outlier. It's not like that elsewhere. Industries pandering to younger workers with no experience and little commitment while ignoring the can-do middle-aged worker. That's the norm for most of us.
If you're in your early 20s, you don't get any responses because you don't have experience. In your 30s, you get nothing because they don't want to hire someone who might go on leave when they have a baby. In your 50s, they won't hire you because you're overqualified and they don't think you'll stay. And in your 60s, they won't hire you because you're going to retire soon and you might be off sick more often. When is it actually good?
@@ghostnotes5667 You hit the nail on the head. It’s about controlling pawns. Our new CEO only hires young single people who can be road warriors and don’t have the ‘burden’ of a family holding them back. m
Americans are competing against H1B visa holders working 30 cents on the dollar. Big tech loves cheap foreign labor and outsourcing everything to Taiwan, China and India. Beancounters run the country
@MannyLoxx2010 Yep im 56 worked at Google.! received an email from the HR firm hiring for for Meta interested in my robust skill set and they say....and i quote " you are overqualified and they are looking for someone YOUNGER! " no joke
1. You won’t work for joke wages. 2. You’ll be a hit to their medical plan. 3. You won’t tolerate useless crap from inferior management. 4. You’ll miss more work because you figured out it does no good to bend over backwards for your job. 5. Did I mention the pay??
Points 3 resonated with me. Am an engineer, and when I was a young engineer, most management were also engineers or at least STEM. Things ran like a well-oiled machine compared to when they started to get replaced by people with "professional management" backgrounds. Point 4 is interesting, because I have never worked insane hours except in emergencies, but I (usually, lol) produced quality work that was valuable to my employer. This more than made made up for the "sin" of not working 18 hour days and pretending to be stressed all the time.
I think #2 is very often the biggie - You’ll be a MAJOR hit to their medical plan is what they fear. Why does this guy totally avoid this issue when it is MAJOR!!! In fact he tries to glide easy the age issue. I can get hired because I look rather young and semi-fit, and I go for the later night shift that no one wants, or not many can handle. A tough shift to get anyone to cover. I'll be ok. And now I only want 2 nights per week, I am about done with the 40 - 50 hour a week grind anyway.
My late mother's employer could not wait for my mother to retire at 65. They thought they would be hiring a tech savvy young person at a lower wage. They did hire a young person at a lower wage, but had to re-hire my mother as a contractor to handle the tech. Still makes me laugh. I believe my mother worked until age 70 as a contractor, which she actually preferred as she had more control over when she worked.
@hillbilly_delux78 She did actually train her replacement, but the person was apparently not up to the task without help. This was not high level work, and my mom actually wanted to retire and maybe do something else. However, working contract turned out to be a more positive experience for her.
My MIL worked part-time balancing the books for the local JCPenney’s until the chain was bought out and fired all the older workers. Within a few months, they called begging her to come back because nobody else could get the numbers to come out right! She’s still working there 3 mornings a week at almost 80! 🤣
Older employees want their skills and experience compensated and know what they are talking about. They can't be pushed around as much. That's the main reason.
I don't agree that they demand more money. The salary is the salary. The hiring managers simply don't like people who aren't type to "step and fetch-it" without a second thought.
I agree. I'll add that many managers like to hire people less skilled, knowledgeable, and intelligent than they are. First and foremost, they are most concerned for their own job security.
I've been self-employed since 2005, when I was 35. My house is almost paid for... my car is paid for... but I don't look rich, I look poor. I have flexible work and just finished my Master's in data science. I did it not to land a new job but to open a new business online during my retirement years.... Many work to look rich, meaning, they spend every dime on loans on goods that make them appealing to others. I do the opposite. I saved, raised 4 kids, and look poor. I love it. I have degrees in economics and data science and no debt.
Employers bad mouth both older and younger employees as outdated or lazy. Then bad mouth midcareer employees for no longer wanting to return to a toxic office. This is more setting up the premise for importing foreign workers or exporting the jobs.
Young Americans are thought of as Woke, and that implies lots of complaining and protesting and taking Outrage and Grievance "Studies" courses instead of actual academic content. According to PISA which rates the young of all nations academically, young Americans are vastly inferior to the young of Asian nations such as the Chinese, Indian, Japanese, or Korea.
I live in Las Vegas, Nevada and have since 2021. My relatives and other people in Las Vegas have been able to make feel like I have done nothing right in my life. It has been psychological torment.
I’m 50 and recently received a federal job offer. It’s not the highest pay but the benefits are great, especially the pension after 5 years. There’s less of an age bias with federal jobs.
True. Federal and super large fortune 100 to 500 Companies where apparently they get a kick back from hiring military veterans. I saw a lot of 40 to 50 year olds breaking into tech from the military 😮
45 here and had my first interview for a state job. The pay is actually comparable to what I’m making in the private sector, plus they actually still have pension plans! Yes please. I’ll take the slower pace and better work/life balance that somewhere without a profit motive offers
@@pensivepenguin3000 don't be too quick to trash the "profit motive". Your job and rare pension only exists because for profit companies and individuals that work for those companies pay your salary via taxes. Be grateful.
Older workers can’t be bossed around. I look back at how I allowed myself to be treated in my teens and early 20s and I’m dumbfounded that I allowed that to happen all because I didn’t want to get fired. Now that I’m older, I’m more assertive and don’t put up with a lot of crap. I think companies would rather hire younger people who don’t know any better and will allow themselves to be bossed around treated like garbage, thinking that’s how you get up the corporate ladder.
@elenarda-i2x nope. I work hard. I take on challenges. I’ve done hundreds of hours of volunteer overtime without my boss having to ask. But I don’t live to work. My job is not and will never be my identity. I refuse to be a doormat to get promoted. I refuse to backstab and gossip about my colleagues to get on my boss’s good side. I refuse to allow myself to be talked down to (THANK GOD my team lead and supervisor are amazing leaders so I don’t have to worry about that in this job). As a young person, I used to go the extra mile all the time and it got me nowhere because I refused to be a gossip or be a backstabber in the office. I refused to kiss my boss’s butt. My coworker at the time actually got told that if she wants to be promoted she needs to kiss up more. If this is what you want to do to get ahead then have fun with it. For me, I collect my paycheck and save my money and spend my time traveling and enjoying life. I’m too old to worry about trying to climb some stupid corporate ladder.
Amen! I’m 45 years old and have just started shifting my mindset in that direction. Once you realize that the worst somebody can do is fire you, and if you are at peace with that, there’s no reason to put up with a toxic environment or disrespectful treatment. So they fire you. Big deal. Take the severance, get the unemployment and find your next job, or maybe see it as an opportunity to go in a totally different direction, maybe start your own Business etc.
In China, if you are over 35, you are almost unhireable. Employers want young adults who have no self esteem, and no knowledge of labor laws and abusive tactics. And because the unemployment rate over there is estimated to be over 50% they can be as picky as they want
@@Cam-u1v an that’s why people get fed up with all the crap cause everyone seems they have correct everyone else like it’s life or death situation the technicalities is part of the problem
@coldlyanalytical1351 welll when majority of them are it’s not hard to figure it out get your head out the sand or you one of them an part of the clique until one day ya isn’t an it’ll rear its ugly head an come for you as well
I like your suggestions on a "defensive resume". Agism is a real thing that I have been combating for some time. I applied to several jobs at or a step above my current position. I'm in my late 50's and listed extensive experience and education with the dates for those. Had a really hard time getting the phone to ring. Received several, "thanks, but we decided on a different direction" emails. So, I re-worked my resume and removed all of the dates even for my current employment. No dates listed anywhere on the resume for jobs or education or military experience. I don't know if that was the solution, but within 24 hours I received a request for an interview followed by several other interest emails from other potential employers. There's no way to get around the future employer seeing my age during the interview. But, I got my foot in the door and was able to make a great presentation. Within 24 hours of the interviewed I received an offer above what my expectations were.
I’m an older technical writer in software. My company just laid off a bunch of folks and is closing its local office. I held a rėsumė writing workshop for those getting laid off and suggested that participants omit older positions, because they reveal age and they’re most likely no longer relevant. You know, stuff that’s 15 or more years old. I did that for my own rėsumė. I suspect I’ll be replaced by one of my soon-to-be-hired counterparts in India.
What sucks is that I have had two significant events in my life that has broke me mentally, emotionally, and financially. The death of my wife when my kids were just babies, and my son that became homebound after COVID. I'm now almost 50 years old and more or less starting over for the third time in my life. With my job gap it makes it hard to get a senior role that my qualifications should justify, but the job gap usually hurts me. I can't get into lower level roles because like mentioned in the video, I'm a "flight risk" or "overqualified". So what am I supposed to do? Thankfully I recently landed a job, not exactly ideal, but it's a job. I don't know how I'll ever retire now unless I can eventually land a $150k/year job soon and bank half my income.
Wow man. That’s genuinely awful, and I’m sorry to hear that. I hope things continue to improve for you. I see a lot of folks whining and complaining on this channel where it’s obvious it’s their own bad attitude… But you, you really do have an excuse. That’s so much to endure
Tough to do. I started working full-time about 1980 so I've seen a few economic upheavals and had to 'morph' between different industries with my Enviro/health/safety skills. The tough part I found was all industry sectors have different terminology for the same EHS regulations, and all regulatory bodies have a lot of overlapping regulations that they organize and classify in different ways with even more differing terminology; think of it as saying the same phrase in different languages. I've had to adapt resume verbage and interview vocabulary to fit each industry as no industry (and hiring managers) wants to recognize the other industries similar skill sets (lazy management IMO). Thankfully I retired and no long have to put up with that mess anymore.
1. I leave my phone off when I'm at work and concentrate on my duties. It's amazing how much of an advantage that gives me over the young people. 2. I can sign my name.
A friend of mine wanted me to apply for a management position at his company. I got passed over because of my age. I was 49 at the time and the people I would be managing were in their late 20s-early 30s. I'm glad I got passed over because I found out the people I would have been managing are overly sensitive and hard to manage.
What happened to me is the opposite, a bait and switch. I applied for a senior job that was commensurate with my experience, and they hired me, but there was already someone in that role, and they had me doing very junior level work because the young people they were hiring wouldn't/couldn't do it. They kept telling me "they had great plans for me, I just had to wait". I told them, I just wanted the job I applied for. I felt so manipulated and it wasted my time. They also told me that I would have to take a pay cut because they were having problems, but they knew all along what they were doing and it was always to bait and switch to get a senior person to do the junior grunt work. I left quickly, fortunately. If you find yourself in this situation, don't wait, jump ship.
Any employer that is serious about promoting you will NOT use the carrot on the stick model. There will be no "trial period," no "promises," and no stipulations. They will just say you earned it, but don't make them regret the decision. Every time I was promised anything at all, the employer NEVER followed through. Every promotion I got was a pleasant surprise without the gaslighting.
leaving quickly if you find out the company is bad is excellent advice. keep a current resume and be ready to move on. no need to put up with poorly run companies. family business can be the worst of them all
I'm 50, sales manager, and have made several job changes over the last 10 years. The thing that keeps me relevant and in demand is the strategic manner in which I write my resume, how I groom myself, and as important is keeping up with technology, pop culture and vernacular, so that I can demonstrate the wisdom of experience as well as current relevance in tech, et al. Because I meaningfully demonstrate these attributes, I have been able to demand higher than average wage and with my current position I got more than the salary the position listed in their posting,. If you come off as an "Old Head" you make it easy for recruiters to pass you up.
Yeah, I remember seeing a conference presentation (for teachers) and the presenter asked something along the lines of "Do you have 10 years experience, or 1 year of experience 10 times?" The gist being that if you spend 10 years doing the same thing and never developing your skills, then you're not really as valuable as the 10 years would suggest.
I had a job in a call centre one time, at the time it was the only work I could get. I remember trying to get to know my fellow colleagues and I was a few years older than them, I was the Kim catrall of the group lol.
I find nothing more cringeworthy than older folks desperately trying to stay hip with the kids. It comes off as trying too hard. As a 45-year-old guy myself, I try to strike a balance between aging gracefully and not trying to sound like I’m 25 years old. Hint: nobody is buying the act as much as you think they are
It's probably easier in sales, because you are paid on commission. When you are a salaried / hourly worker, they can always find someone who is younger and cheaper who is good enough.
@@pensivepenguin3000Before you further expose that extra chromosome you're so desperately trying to conceal, let me ask you who said anything about being "Hip?" I'm a professional, which means I understand my product and my audience, and I focus on tending to the needs of my prospect. If you're narcissistically focused on yourself, you're probably a loser, because winners don't focus on themselves in sales. I am a closer. Results don't lie. I'll put my record up against anyone in sales, anywhere, in any industry.
Things make a lot more sense when you realize that the role of hiring managers and HR departments is to keep people out of the company, not let them in. In fact, their job is to hire as few people as possible.
A challenge for older workers (I’m one of them) is that they often don’t “advertise” their expertise and demonstrate their currency. They need to self-promote outside of their current role and build reputation through activities that showcase their combined experience and skills.
I'm 59. I worry about becoming unemployed and not being able to get any reasonable job. If I continue to work for the 5 years or so years, I'll be ok for retirement. Ok, not rich.
The market is awful. Hubby made $127k in 2020 then covid layoffs. A year of no employment and then a job at $60-$70 then another corporate closure. Now he is starting a job earning $35k. Once you hit 50, no one wants you. He has actually never been paid so low in his life.
I have zero difficulty being hired at 62 years old. I work in a field that is always short staffed so I’m always in demand. Also, I keep myself strong, fit and attractive at every age so that when I’m on the interview it’s less likely that the employer will focus on my age and physical/ mental capabilities. I keep my skills current and this makes me a desirable candidate. I never discuss age or complain about any ailments or problems related to aging while I’m working. I make my age a non-issue. This is what works for me.
I am not a native English speaker but your speech is very clear and easy to understand for me. I prefer to listen every new video you make over many authors of many youtube topics because you content is pleasure and among the best for developing my English.
For older workers some of it I'm sure is attitude. I'm an older worker and we hired and few younger guys about a year ago. Honestly we've had a great time. They brought fresh knowledge and ideas and I've been able to share my experience and ideas with them also. It's been a wonderful collaboration. I wish it could be like this in more places.
Attitude is 99% of the problem for people in our age group. Just look at some of these comments, or the general way that older people carry themselves. They’re always grumbling about how the kids don’t know anything, they’re lazy, they’re entitled blah blah blah blah. They moan and groan about “woke” culture, political correctness, how the world is going to hell in a handbasket. Honestly, who the hell would want somebody like that working for them? Sounds miserable
@@pensivepenguin3000 The complaints about woke (communism 2.0) culture are accurate. Quota hiring has become overt, and a top-down, creeping totalitarian culture of feminized "niceness" (conformity) has made many company environments increasingly miserable for anyone with any independent-mindedness or alternative world views. All of the macro metrics, gamed as they are, show shocking declines when examined.
@ …and right on cue, there is one of them. You couldn’t have time that more perfectly lol. Thanks for exemplifying exactly what I was talking about. You hit all the classic notes, even rambling about “feminism.” if only you had worked in something about “postmodernism,” I could have completed my old angry guy bingo card 😂
Attitude is huge! You can teach people the "job". You can't teach people to accept, respect and get along. We have all worked with that one coworker that is the most skilled person in the group but doesn't get along with the rest of the team. Their tiny bit of improved productivity is vastly outweighed by how much they drag down the rest of the team.
Legacy companies like banks, insurance companies or big brands like Target or McDs are often good places to investigate if you’re an older worker. I’m a software developer in my 40s, and I’ve found that startups tend to favor that younger go-getter who is learning a new JavaScript framework every five seconds, whereas these bigger organizations tend to use more tried-and-true tech stacks and Move at a more measured, steady pace. Another thing to consider our government jobs, whether that’s federal, state, county or city level. They also tend to move a little more slowly, have a good work/life balance, great retirement benefits and generally more progressive hiring practices that might minimize the risk of age discrimination. Not as sexy, I know, but personally, I’m more interested in stability and predictability as I enter my older years
good concept since my view of government employees is "slow" and do as little as possible after all it's not a profit industry and that is the key its a status quo do not rock the boat affair this will be an interesting area as the DOGE looks to eliminate non-productive redundant positions the labor market is going to see a great influx of administrative individuals those that remain will by on the edge for fear of losing their position merit will be the lodestone which will open the door for those with experience this a dour forecast
I’m turning 56, and have been in the software industry since 1995. My problem, is that my career hasn’t really gotten air under its wings. I started the management path 3 years ago, which is kind of late. So, recruiters will think “wow, this guy has been working for 25+ years and hasn’t reached any further than barely a team manager. That’s suspicious”. If you are 50+, and have, say 10-15 years experience in upper management, you are considered as high game. But, if the only thing you have been doing the last decade is flipping JIRA tickets, you are low value.
Plenty of companies value people who "just" want to be an individual contributor. In this case I would consider my age a boon because it filters out companies that don't.
I’m about half your age and going through the same thing. I’m having an extraordinarily difficult time climbing the ladder because as a woman at my age I’m a clear flight risk to go on maternity leave anytime. The workforce sucks in America for humans. You can be the best person for the job but if you don’t get “cHoSeN” by someone in upper management, forget it.
IT is far different from other fields and they just do not understand.. I was in IT 1985 to 2015. then they lied to us in October and in November thousands IT people all go bye bye. end stop. co turned into a shell holding company from an asset based co. sold off everything then leased it back and contracted out. Now Im farming for food bank. music driving etc.
When you're younger, you're passed over because you lack experience. Once you hit 50, now you're over qualified. So, my question is was there a Magical Moment when you're at the Goldielocs hour? These jobs are full of $#!T!😅
the point is that they are all biased. You have to know someone or do a zoom interview so they can't base their decisions on how old (or young) you look.
@@pensivepenguin3000 - The U6 unemployment rate is currently 7.7%. That is a more accurate reflection of the nation's employment situation. U6 definition: "Total Unemployed, Plus All Persons Marginally Attached to the Labor Force, Plus Total Employed Part Time for Economic Reasons, as a Percent of the Civilian Labor Force Plus All Persons Marginally Attached to the Labor Force (U-6)"
Amazon just hired a friend of mine who is in his 50's. It's work from home customer service type job I think. I'm sure they are probably still hiring. Something is better than nothing.
@@Frissdas1207 It's not a skill issue; it's a shitty job market. I've got all the skills one could have, and you still won't be hired in this market mid-30s. You'll have to accept lower to make it in this market.
Hello, I'm a Doctor from Scotland, how do you make such amount? I'm a born Christian but sometimes I feel so down of myself because of low finance but I still believe in God.
Making touch with financial advisors like *Janice Isaac Owen* who can assist you restructure your portfolio, would be a very creative option. Personal financial management will be crucial to navigating the next difficult times.
Unfortunately, not all of us were financially literate early. I was 35 when I finally educated myself and started taking steps. I went from $176,000 in debt with zero savings or retirement to now, 2 years later, fully debt-free and over $1000,000 net worth. I know that doesn't SOUND like a lot, but I'm incredibly proud of it. Now I'm fast-tracking my wealth building (investing $400,000 annually) and don't owe a dime to anyone. It's a good feeling!
You are absolutely right, we also have lot's of expert, real ones with certificate and firms IDS out there waiting for investors to invest and experience the best of trade.
heard this before, but my degree was in 1992, and without the date, it looks like I forgot to include it. I'm 54. Also I tried removing my military, 1997, but that's my longest employment and the only one I had supervisory experience
Both my husband and my big sister are well into their 60s and are both still employed with the Federal Government. Older tech workers like me are the ones getting discriminated against, especially women. I see men 55+ and 62+ getting jobs, but several of my female friends and I are STILL out of work. Yes, I take classes to level up my skills, and yes, I network. I am actually moving towards a career change to an entirely different industry.
Highly recommend checking out public sector tech jobs, at Fed, State, or local level (incl City & County). Tends to be a skills & experience-based hiring process, and every public entity has a worker shortage. Benefits tend to be good, pay will usually be on the low- to mid-range of private, and the PTO and work-life balance are solid. Only issue is location - State tech jobs usually are in the capital city, and Federal tech jobs tend to be in Fed hubs (DC-MD-VA corridor, NYC, Denver, etc). No-remote on-paper, but hybrid is becoming more prevalent. Also places with strong municipal unions tend to be better, with more political support. I was out 5yrs after the 08 recession, and right at the point where I was ready to pretend to be a dude on my resume, I finally landed a civil service job. It's nice to work in tech and be respected.
I'M 60 and was told I would be getting another promotion and raise starting in 2025. They don't want me to leave. FYI - I was promoted last year as well. Also, a dozen much young employees without the skills were let go 6 months ago. Note: I work in I.T. and now A.I.
I am 58, and just got hired as a Solutions Architect. One of the reasons they wanted me was because I knew financial systems protocols that have not changed much in the last 35 years, and the younger people have no experience with those. I also kept myself up to date with technology.
I faced job loss in my early 50s, and initially, it felt like my career was over. After about six months, I secured a new role, although it required relocation and a step down. From there, I was able to progress steadily. In my experience, companies often value seasoned professionals for senior, strategic positions. They recognize the need for wisdom and experience that comes with time, rather than relying solely on generalists who can be more easily replaced by younger employees. Persistence and adaptability were key in my journey forward.
Great advice! Now retired after 47 years of an engineering/manufacturing career, I squarely blamed HR and the "leadership team" for the existing problems. Leadership starts with hiring the best people for the job at any level or age. The BS about a hire's longevity on the job is ridiculous. People stay where they are treated well. A new hire today has no likelihood of staying. HR/executive needs to work on supporting, mentoring, and understanding their employees to determine the best path for building a solid team.
Older guys won't be becoming tradesmen easily. That is a young man's game. I've worked in multiple trades for 30+ years. This kind of work will wear out the office set. Hell, I took a couple years out of the field and worked in management, and I have never got my conditioning against the elements back to the level it was. Most white collar, middle-aged men wouldn't last a week on a roof. I find it hilarious that IT guys think that they can just "go do electrical work", as if it isn't every bit as technical and complex as writing code, as well as being absolutely deadly off you screw up. New guys in the trades are treated like mules. Most white collar guys would crumble....I've seen it many times
I'm in my mid 50s with no debts and no kids at home. I can take a pay cut and work longer hours with ease. The funny part: all those younger people will be my age at some point and I hope they get treated the way I do.
52 here and got a great remote software developer job a few months ago, but agree biases do exist. I can only imagine how many times my cv has been discarded because of my age before I've even been interviewed. Even though here it is completely illegal to discriminate based on age.
I'm 51 and consider myself incredibly fortunate to be clinging on by my fingertips in games and TV production. The best advice I can give people in their 30s and 40s who are becoming bosses is to be reeeeeeal good to the people working under you; every job I've booked since right before COVID has been via people I used to supervise in one way or another.
For women it honestly starts in our mid 20s and lasts until our late 40s (the not getting hired due to employers fearing we will go on maternity leave).
This is really good advice. My training is in industrial psychology. I specialized in job search techniques and strategies. This is very good advice. There are challenges in every age group. Please keep that in mind. No one is exempt. If you're in your twenties, you're too young and green. And your thirties, and you're a woman, they think about having to make room for your children. There is no good age group. The easiest people I found success in we're the older workers because they are not as tied to outside obligations. They're more mature. Not a lot of drama and they train very easily. The downside is, there is a propensity for an older person to have the attitude that they just want to fit in, draw the check and go home. They get complacent. That's really what they're seeing when you interview. It's not your age. It's your attitude. You showed the attitude and then they see the age I saw it over and over again. It happened in 30, 40, 50, and 60 year olds. It was what was in the eyes and the attitude. We came from a generation that like to get a job, and just stay there pretty much until they retired. It was changing when I was in my hay day but it's still very much existed. My suggestion would be, no matter what age you are, think about your attitude towards life in general. Are you still emotionally active? Are you taking classes at the local college? Do you have some sort of physical activity you like to engage in? This one's going to hurt. Are you in reasonable shape? I don't mean like an athlete. I just mean as someone who takes care of themselves. These things all speak much louder than your age. I found that to be true when I was job hunting, and I found that to be true when I was coaching other people. If you're going to act like an old person? Or at least what is perceived as old? You're going to have a hard time getting a position as greeter at walmart.
I'm 41, and after COVID disrupted my life/career, I had to start all over again. I had been in my career for so long that my skills became what other companies think of as "stale". I did the best to try and educate myself and learn as much as I could but the programs I needed to use required money and I had no job for 6 months. Fast forward after 2 years of working at Home Depot and putting myself back through school to try and learn something completely different I now have a career again but I don't know how long I can stay in this career considering I am getting older and this is a rather labor-intensive job. I have thought about trying to do the multiple streams of income like you had mentioned, but when you don't make that much money it's a little difficult to think of what you can do to create multiple streams of income when you have no extra money to invest. I want to do this, but i'm at a loss.
There is no magical way to do it without the bank of rich parents / generational wealth. Most people who can afford to invest got started with wealthy families but pretend they did it on their own.
I am 54 years old and effectively destitute. I did complete a BS in mechanical engineering from the University of Arizona in 1995. I completed an MBA with the University of Phoenix in 2001. I realize the Dow Jones Industrial Average just rose about points and passed 40,000 for the first time in history not too long ago. I am not sharing in it. I have not shared in the rise of the NASDAQ. I have the skills of mathematics to do financial analysis. But I have been more fascinated with invention for a long time. My life is terrible because it can seem like some entity has arranged it so that my experiences with my parents and other relatives is meant to convince me I am a very bad person who has made mostly bad choices. My emotions have been much closer to suicide than happiness being around my parents, sister, her husband, and my nephews, as well as the companions of my nephews. I avoid getting a haircut because they can make feel so pitiable. It is unbelievable misery.
Great vid…thanks for posting it. I am a first-time viewer, and was curious if you have an episode featuring the top “emerging technologies” that over-50 job-seekers should be acquainting themselves with?
I just turned 48 and have been looking for a lateral change for two years. I’m a lot of peoples second choice or that is what I’ve been told. It’s hard not to suspect discrimination when you’re getting interviews but getting no where. I’ve been in my current job for 10 years and I’d love to move from the city I live in to a better area.
I’m in the same boat even though I’m quite a bit younger. For women the age discrimination starts so young. I’ve been getting questioned by bosses about my family planning since early 20s.
B. Again you speak the truth. Update your skills that employers want. Personal brand yourself. Network with key people. It total mindset. How bad do you want it. Pure action. Keep up the good work.
I did all that to my resume and no bites. And I’ve been applying for 2 yrs while I have a job. I’ve decided to add AI skills to get ahead of that industry. I haven’t been able to find alternate streams of income.
This was very good resume, and other, advice and commentary for older adults. The bottom line is that, harsh as it might sound, you can NOT count on any one but yourself--and hopefully your spouse and immediate family. Companies overwhelmingly don't care; the government overwhelmingly doesn't care; others most don't/won't care--or even if they do care, can't or won't help. It's up to ALL of us to be proactive and work hard, and one of the smartest things that one can do--assuming they have made at least half-decent income along the way is to live well within your means, invest regularly and starting as early as possible, and always put back towards a 6-24-month emergency fund for a "rainy day" because invariably you'll have to tap into it at least to some extent. Unfortunately, I'm not in as good a position at present--for several reasons, mainly ones that were out of my control--but when I was making excellent money, I always paid ahead on homeowner's for the entire year; paid ahead for the maximum 6 months on car; had three-month's worth of food in my "pantry"; (as much as some might criticize me for a misuse of funds and not having it invested) I had my water paid ahead for 14 months and my electric for 12; and I had $22,000 in the bank JUST for emergencies. I slept MUCH better...but unfortunately ended up needing ALL of that when something beyond my control occurred. Be prepared people; AND always be looking for ways to, without a lot of extra time, bring in extra income from non-job sources--and if possible, create an ongoing business. Even a side business netting $1,000/month can save you and your family from losing your home and being on the streets, hungry! Make such an endeavor a FAMILY project--if you're married or a single parent with old enough children--and become closer as a family working on such an important project, while teaching your kids valuable business/work skills, responsibility, and self-sufficiency. Thanks for the video and your channel. 🙂
I encourage the Govts and Business Industry organizations to hire older workers in need of employment and wanting to serve in their respective capacities. The older workers have experience skills talents abilities and high potential the younger workers do not have. I write with concern and interest for the older worker. Great show.
AI does make the hiring process much worse. I was working at a company that started using it and the quality of resumes it let through dropped immediately. One of the things I noticed was that it always promoted resumes with “California” regardless of anything else. I have a pretty good guess where the developers were from.
Corporate America has been combining two or three or even four jobs in one role. Experienced workers see this in the job description, and in the actual role once they get hired. They push back on this, and management bounces them in favor of youger people who don't know any better. In addition, more experienced workers know more than their less experienced managers....and of course we all know we can't have that.
Thank you for this click-bait entitled infomercial. I'm glad you had a chance to pitch a couple of your courses and show us one way to act when you become a consultant. You have followed the template exactly: identify the problem(s), amplify the problem(s), promise solutions (if only you buy my courses) and then quickly depart and leave it in the customers' hands. If they don't go running to your solutions, then "they're not serious" and only have themselves to blame for their ongoing misery. You know you're an you're in an expanding market right now, so you have opportunities. And I know you have to pay your bills. I also know the template you are using is well over two decades old. Sounds like you might have some "skills stagnation" of your own to deal wiith.
This surprises me, the experience I have from worklife is that CEO (who usualy are in their 50s/60s) love to hire people their own age, they can talk old memories about athletes I have never heard of from 1989, the CEOs feel like they can trust people more from their own generation etc. So this age discrimination thing surprises me tbh.
This is the exact opposite of what I have seen. Most older high-level execs want to prove to the world that they are not old themselves by hiring and associating with young people.
I am 44. I was at my last job way too long (13 years) and my skills were blunted due to their outdated way of doing things. My newer position is lesser than previous, but pays about the same with 1/3rd the responsibility. I could tool up again, but my passive income streams are letting me sit back and be lazy. I would be amazed if I couldn't retire by 50.
My girlfriend works at a major law firm they just hired a new lady in her 70’s that came out of retirement back into the workplace I really think it depends on what you do for a living 🤔
I'm now looking at getting out of truck driving and doing something else. I'm starting to realize now what a nightmare transitioning to a dispatcher position or something else is going to be for me and I'm scared. Being a 50 plus year old
I’ve been doing consulting cause it pays better than anything else i can find! I never knew you could really get paid for this. I actually miss being in my field so these videos are helpful. I’m at a tough age where im in my prime child bearing years and all employers see me as a flight risk to go on maternity leave and I’m having trouble getting my foot back in the door for a career type job.
I am a career counselor. There is no shortage of workers for just about any job. Don't believe the employer propaganda. Employers want more and more for less and less. It comes down to poor working conditions. Nursing and trucking are examples.
Thanks for making this. It's hard to plan maybe years ahead sometimes, but thinking of careers in ten year increments, with different values and strategies for each, is very helpful.
A brilliant video. I lost my job at 55, with no notice and immediate effect. It's now 9 months on and only 2 interviews. Both of them passed me over for the job because they were worried I'd get bored at the role. So what did I do? I started an e-commerce business, wrote a book and published it, took on freelance clients. There are so many ways to earn money these days, without having a 9-5 job. I learned very quickly that job security doesn't exist any more. So find a different way, you may be surprised just what you are capable of beyond the obvious.
54yo. Was laid off a year ago from a technical management position where I was making around $350k in total compensation. Took seven months to secure a new job and I had to take about a 50% cut in total pay. I'm grateful though as I will still be able to contribute to my retirement and pay all my bills. I had dozens of interviews, but no offers until this job. Don't know if age discrimination had anything to do with it, but the job market is extremely competitive in tech right now.
I'm 57, unemployed 9 months. Gave up IT tech support type career because I couldn't stand it any more. I've already removed the oldest jobs from my resume, removed the dates to avoid ageism...still nothing. Getting no reply or "not enough experience" to even minimum wage jobs. But isn't removing dates from my resume also a red flag to recruiters, that I did it purposely?
I found at 56 you gotta sell yourself like the rent is due tomorrow. I was hired because at 56, I knew how to smooth over the ruffled feathers of our older clients. That made sales and made the higher up happy.
That's great for people with sales skills, but some of us are complete engineering, science or art geeks who couldn't sell a bowl of warm beef with gravy to a dog.
@ I learned my sales skills as a chemistry major during poster sessions. I hustled and networked more doing while bench chemistry than any other job I had. It was a bigger network/hustle/sell sell sell than my fine art career ever was. (Medium was glass). I had to learn the “sales” angle as that is not my base personality at all. Motivational Steve Jobs I am not lol. I now work with durable medical equipment. I still slump glass as a hobby.
I retired after 34 years. Kept my grandchildren for a while and then got a job (supposedly part time, but they work me 28 to 31 hours a week-on my feet the entire time except for 30 mins.for lunch). I am 67.5 years old and I can tell you that: my eyesight is not what it used to be and I have to use my glasses to see tiny numbers; my legs and feet hurt at the end of the day with sharp stabbing pains at times, and I wake up at night with leg cramps sometimes. I have had just a little trouble understanding complex accounting procedures on the “register/computer,” which I have to do on the “back office” register); and I’m on call a lot, which is hard when you’re older and at the grocery store and you have to drop everything to come in and cover for someone. I also often have some doctors’ appointments that I have to keep, because if I don’t, my health could go downhill. So I have to ask for time off. If I don’t get my vaccines and/or wear a mask, I’m more susceptible to every illness going around. Older individuals may have diabetes and have to visit the restroom more often to pee or monitor their glucose levels. It can be done, and the work ethic, general politeness, and experience of the older employee is worth it imo, but it can be hard at times. And yes, most everyone I know who is older and holds a job like mine is in the same boat.
At 50, I went out and got an accredited 3rd party engineering certification applicable to my job to pre-empt the old accusation that my skills are no longer up to date because I'm "old". I recommend doing this. As soon as anyone claims I'm obsolete, I can pull out my validated certificate and say here you go, my skills and knowledge in this field of work have been tested and verified as up to date by an accredited 3rd party certification body. I know for a fact this kept me off a few layoff lists once this became known. And if they do let me go, it will help the next employer feel more comfortable hiring me. From the legal perspective, it removes this justification for laying you off and this then presents more legal risk for a company considering doing this. Something to consider.
Thanks for outlining that 4th quarter profit earnings are primary to Corporations. Cut throat but skill sets are not necessarily going to secure your role. Sometimes the company wants a cheaper workhorse instead, as well.
Health care is the main problem once older workers in the us are let go. Wonder is some of the age discrimination is due to health case costs on older workers.
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I'm 64 and asked to stay 3 years. I'm been in Cyber Secuirty for 25 years. I'm now creating AI data sets for corprate America. Complexity of the work is key.
Near 50. I am just going to focus on creating my own job while working towards my doctorate degree (finishing in 3-4 years). My background is in engineering, and I have branched out in business. "Overqualified" for many years. "No skills" according to corporate recruiters. While I disagree, it is not worth the fight and the agony that comes with it. As a male spouse to a military officer, I have employment gaps for the time we have lived overseas, but the experience was the best! It just points me to figure it out on my own. Own business. Own boss. Own scrutinizer. Cheers,
The average age of an incoming S&P 1500 CEO in 2023 was 56 years old. It seems a little hypocritical to then say that I’m too old for a much lower position at the age of 50. Whatever, I don’t care anymore. I’ll try to build my freelance career if these companies don’t want me.
so much fluff advise out there, but this is very good! I'm 60 and have been in IT since I was in my early 20's, and everything you said is true and I've seen it work many times. Thank you!
I feel, like many things, this all started with the Boomers. When my dad was coming up there was a strict hierarchy with lots of old timers who retired at 62 (or whatever the age was). My dad said work was work, but they were decent and looked at humans as humans, even if you still had to deal difficult personalities, and you could have a career moving up within one company. He said it all changed when the Boomers arrived, they hated older people, only looked at money, fired senior people so they could exploit young people, etc etc. Then when the Boomers aged, they refused to retire but also refused to stay up with technology, reinforcing the out of touch old person stereotype. It will be Gen Xers that get let go, before the Boomers are, unfortunately.
I’m lucky cause although I’m 50, my boss is in his late 70s! We are trained in DevOps, cybersecurity and many other modernized technologies to keep up with the market.
What ruined my job history was job hopping now i've got pages upon pages of rubbish jobs on the resume, and this is because my government EXPECTS me to take ANY JOB.
You explained this perfectly. I plan on retiring from my full-time job in 2025 and not going to pursue this type of employment afterward. I would, however, like a part-time job. But, yes, I have definitely experienced some biases in terms of advancement as I age. Experienced older people are left to stagnant while the younger ones get the opportunity to learn newer skills at work. There is a presumption we ALL are incapable or not willing to learn, which, in my case, is not true.
Thanks for depressing the Hell out of me. Not only have I been thrust into the worse job market in 20 years, weeding through ghost jobs and having ghost interviews, I need to hide useful job experience cuz someone might figure out my age. Perfect
I’m 26 and have been in my job for more than four years. The market is terrible right now, and I plan on staying where I’m at for now. My role has definitely evolved, and I’m learning new things as well as receiving raises annually. Though, a role like mine is the exception over the rule.
I had a hard time job hunting once I turned 60. Although technically, you don't have to reveal your age on an application, but, some jobs require you to provide your college transcripts. On mine, my highschool graduation year is stated. Also, if an ID is required, your birthday is on it.
Damn this hits home in so many ways. This is a fantastic video.. thank you for all the info. I am one of those in my final 3rd career.. been out of work for a year and am fortunate enough to have had enough money to survive for a little bit.. but things are starting to get thin in the bank. I also am trying to build my own dream project.. but as a lone developer/software eng, its VERY VERY slow going partly because the project is very ambitious and despite the "make a prototype in 3 months or dont bother" there are a lot of moving parts to my project that cant just be done in a couple months. Like a lot of dependencies have to be built first to then build the prototype on top of. Anyway.. I cant tell you how much I resonate with everything you said.. the whole "I'll take half the salary just to be working" and being told "you made too much before, you'll be a risk to leave or you'll be too hard to manage because you have way more experience than anyone else and youll want to do things your way" comes up all the time. Frankly.. I just want to write code and not have to go nuts any more.. but convincing 30-something hiring people that a 50-something would be working that way is impossible. Also.. very few jobs seem to understand that with age things slow down a little.. that should be OK. Frankly I have worked from home the past 15+ years and I work 7 days a week, with intermixed breaks, kid stuff, etc. I still put in (or used to) about 60+ hours a week and dont have any problem doing so because I dont have to drive and deal with traffic, office drama and distractions, etc. It should be a good thing but now that the real-estate tycoons are forcing their tech tycoons in to people back in the office.. Yah.. its an issue for me especially cause I have some anxiety issues that make it difficult to focus/work in office settings (and especially these stupid open work environments with no privacy.. at least set up cubicles for forks sake!). So like you said.. my hope is to build something in the next year or so that can produce some money. In the mean time I am going to try to build some side gig things with wood/hobbies that I enjoy doing and maybe sell something if I can. Second stream of income I hope.. even if its only $100 here and there.
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The "multiple streams of income" is nice, but it's too dependent upon having money available to invest, or having very specialized skills.
If a person doesn't have something in either of those categories, then what?
See, as a Gen Xer, I resent having Congress upped the retirement on my cohort when _staying_ employed isn't necessarily within an individual's control after 55!
It's ridiculously easy to win a racism/sexism suit against an employer, but few to none ever win an ageism suit, even when it would be more than obvious.
Employers don't want employees. They want robots to whom they make no concessions because they make no demands.
That's really what we're up against here.
The only alternate route is to try employment with a small business, or work the "gig" economy and try to survive.
You have never done a video on what jobs not to apply for? I am sixty years old, never wanted to climb the corporate ladder and there a lot of the jobs that only ask for 2 to 4 years of experience. Do I bother?
What companies are these and what planet are you from?
It's my experience even at the age of 39 nonetheless I was still a retail manager for 23 years and I can say that the vast majority of places tend to hire older because typically that's who the management is and so that's who they care to hire.
Even if they're idiots they still pretty much got the job secured just based on their age everyone else is generally screwed over because they're deemed to be too young even if they are around about 40 years old currently.
@government_costumes-ui5lx Your industry might well be an outlier. It's not like that elsewhere.
Industries pandering to younger workers with no experience and little commitment while ignoring the can-do middle-aged worker. That's the norm for most of us.
If you're in your early 20s, you don't get any responses because you don't have experience. In your 30s, you get nothing because they don't want to hire someone who might go on leave when they have a baby. In your 50s, they won't hire you because you're overqualified and they don't think you'll stay. And in your 60s, they won't hire you because you're going to retire soon and you might be off sick more often. When is it actually good?
When it's family, friends, and who you know..
That's the neat part, it's never a good time.
40’s?
Never
When you agreed to work for peanuts...
Let’s keep it real. They want young, impressionable people that they can manipulate and pay substantially less.
@@ghostnotes5667 BINGO‼️
@@ghostnotes5667 exactly. And the turnover is ridiculous and expensive.
@@ghostnotes5667 You hit the nail on the head. It’s about controlling pawns. Our new CEO only hires young single people who can be road warriors and don’t have the ‘burden’ of a family holding them back. m
Americans are competing against H1B visa holders working 30 cents on the dollar. Big tech loves cheap foreign labor and outsourcing everything to Taiwan, China and India. Beancounters run the country
Also. Many of us older ones are not up to date on like AI. Why do they keep putting us out of work? Why don’t they want us to use our brains?
Ageism is a real issue in the corporate world!
Very difficult to prove
@@MannyLoxx2010, since public service has started copying the corporate work culture "for enhanced efficiency", it's the same there.
If the potential older employee is just as capable as the younger employee, it is evil. No doubt about it. I prefer being self employed.
Its illegal
@MannyLoxx2010 Yep im 56 worked at Google.! received an email from the HR firm hiring for for Meta interested in my robust skill set and they say....and i quote " you are overqualified and they are looking for someone YOUNGER! " no joke
1. You won’t work for joke wages.
2. You’ll be a hit to their medical plan.
3. You won’t tolerate useless crap from inferior management.
4. You’ll miss more work because you figured out it does no good to bend over backwards for your job.
5. Did I mention the pay??
You will show up the younger less experienced people, who in some case will be your enemy because of this.
Spot on, but remove "miss more work" from #4 and it's good or I may have misinterpreted what you meant.
Points 3 resonated with me. Am an engineer, and when I was a young engineer, most management were also engineers or at least STEM. Things ran like a well-oiled machine compared to when they started to get replaced by people with "professional management" backgrounds.
Point 4 is interesting, because I have never worked insane hours except in emergencies, but I (usually, lol) produced quality work that was valuable to my employer. This more than made made up for the "sin" of not working 18 hour days and pretending to be stressed all the time.
@@darkrose-k1h 🎯🎯🎯
I think #2 is very often the biggie - You’ll be a MAJOR hit to their medical plan is what they fear. Why does this guy totally avoid this issue when it is MAJOR!!! In fact he tries to glide easy the age issue. I can get hired because I look rather young and semi-fit, and I go for the later night shift that no one wants, or not many can handle. A tough shift to get anyone to cover. I'll be ok. And now I only want 2 nights per week, I am about done with the 40 - 50 hour a week grind anyway.
My late mother's employer could not wait for my mother to retire at 65. They thought they would be hiring a tech savvy young person at a lower wage. They did hire a young person at a lower wage, but had to re-hire my mother as a contractor to handle the tech. Still makes me laugh. I believe my mother worked until age 70 as a contractor, which she actually preferred as she had more control over when she worked.
So she didnt document anything or mentor anyone then...
@hillbilly_delux78 She did actually train her replacement, but the person was apparently not up to the task without help. This was not high level work, and my mom actually wanted to retire and maybe do something else. However, working contract turned out to be a more positive experience for her.
My MIL worked part-time balancing the books for the local JCPenney’s until the chain was bought out and fired all the older workers. Within a few months, they called begging her to come back because nobody else could get the numbers to come out right! She’s still working there 3 mornings a week at almost 80! 🤣
@@misspat7555 so she left things in such disarray no one else could figure out a simple balancing of the ledger? JCPenny filed bankruptcy for a reason
@@hillbilly_delux78 Oh, come on. That is an ugly and deliberate misreading of what the OP wrote. You can better than that. Please do.
When a workplace is described as a fast paced environment, it typically means the company is poorly managed.
aka we never have time to do it right, but we always have time to do it twice. 😒
Older employees want their skills and experience compensated and know what they are talking about. They can't be pushed around as much. That's the main reason.
It's harder to bullshit someone who has seen it all before.
@@jeffcauhape6880 100% and employers want you to drink the Kool-Aid. When you know you are just a cog in a machine, its time to self employee.
I don't agree that they demand more money. The salary is the salary. The hiring managers simply don't like people who aren't type to "step and fetch-it" without a second thought.
I agree. I'll add that many managers like to hire people less skilled, knowledgeable, and intelligent than they are. First and foremost, they are most concerned for their own job security.
@@cuivre2004 I didn't mean 'more money'. I meant it in the sense of 'Can't be bullshitted with lowball offers'
I've been self-employed since 2005, when I was 35. My house is almost paid for... my car is paid for... but I don't look rich, I look poor. I have flexible work and just finished my Master's in data science. I did it not to land a new job but to open a new business online during my retirement years.... Many work to look rich, meaning, they spend every dime on loans on goods that make them appealing to others. I do the opposite. I saved, raised 4 kids, and look poor. I love it. I have degrees in economics and data science and no debt.
Online-data-pc-apps-... everything is f...cking blown and baked air... aren't there any "real" jobs left ?
You are truly rich. Rich don't have problem in money, relationship, and mind.
"Self-employed" is another term for "unemployed but working in sales"
Spot on! I think what you have done is going to be what more folks will have to do. It just becomes more obvious when you are older.
Wow, talk about exalting yourself.
Employers bad mouth both older and younger employees as outdated or lazy. Then bad mouth midcareer employees for no longer wanting to return to a toxic office. This is more setting up the premise for importing foreign workers or exporting the jobs.
Don't forget A.I.
Young Americans are thought of as Woke, and that implies lots of complaining and protesting and taking Outrage and Grievance "Studies" courses instead of actual academic content. According to PISA which rates the young of all nations academically, young Americans are vastly inferior to the young of Asian nations such as the Chinese, Indian, Japanese, or Korea.
I live in Las Vegas, Nevada and have since 2021. My relatives and other people in Las Vegas have been able to make feel like I have done nothing right in my life. It has been psychological torment.
I’m 50 and recently received a federal job offer. It’s not the highest pay but the benefits are great, especially the pension after 5 years. There’s less of an age bias with federal jobs.
True. Federal and super large fortune 100 to 500
Companies where apparently they get a kick back from hiring military veterans. I saw a lot of 40 to 50 year olds breaking into tech from the military 😮
45 here and had my first interview for a state job. The pay is actually comparable to what I’m making in the private sector, plus they actually still have pension plans! Yes please. I’ll take the slower pace and better work/life balance that somewhere without a profit motive offers
@@pensivepenguin3000 don't be too quick to trash the "profit motive". Your job and rare pension only exists because for profit companies and individuals that work for those companies pay your salary via taxes. Be grateful.
There is something very wrong when the federal government is the largest employer in the United States.
@ oh brother. Give it a rest. Everybody else knew what I meant. I wasn’t trashing capitalism. Don’t worry
Older workers can’t be bossed around. I look back at how I allowed myself to be treated in my teens and early 20s and I’m dumbfounded that I allowed that to happen all because I didn’t want to get fired.
Now that I’m older, I’m more assertive and don’t put up with a lot of crap. I think companies would rather hire younger people who don’t know any better and will allow themselves to be bossed around treated like garbage, thinking that’s how you get up the corporate ladder.
So... you're the problem.
@elenarda-i2x nope. I work hard. I take on challenges. I’ve done hundreds of hours of volunteer overtime without my boss having to ask.
But I don’t live to work. My job is not and will never be my identity. I refuse to be a doormat to get promoted. I refuse to backstab and gossip about my colleagues to get on my boss’s good side. I refuse to allow myself to be talked down to (THANK GOD my team lead and supervisor are amazing leaders so I don’t have to worry about that in this job).
As a young person, I used to go the extra mile all the time and it got me nowhere because I refused to be a gossip or be a backstabber in the office. I refused to kiss my boss’s butt. My coworker at the time actually got told that if she wants to be promoted she needs to kiss up more.
If this is what you want to do to get ahead then have fun with it. For me, I collect my paycheck and save my money and spend my time traveling and enjoying life. I’m too old to worry about trying to climb some stupid corporate ladder.
@@thequirkychristian Cope.
@ I’m coping just fine. Lol
Amen! I’m 45 years old and have just started shifting my mindset in that direction. Once you realize that the worst somebody can do is fire you, and if you are at peace with that, there’s no reason to put up with a toxic environment or disrespectful treatment. So they fire you. Big deal. Take the severance, get the unemployment and find your next job, or maybe see it as an opportunity to go in a totally different direction, maybe start your own Business etc.
In China, if you are over 35, you are almost unhireable.
Employers want young adults who have no self esteem, and no knowledge of labor laws and abusive tactics.
And because the unemployment rate over there is estimated to be over 50% they can be as picky as they want
Wow
Me: China even has labor laws? Lol
Well, that's Communism for you.
Same in Vietnam
Sounds just like corporate America.
Company's hiring processes are BROKEN, and they're leaving all kinds of talent on the table with ideas like these.
Only the right origin skincolor and thouhths are worth for todays hiring
I'll be watching a lot of these as my job was just "eliminated" yesterday and I am 60.
Apply to every city, county, state or federal job that you are qualified for. Better benefits and less age discrimination.
I'm so sorry that happened.
I’m so sorry friend 😢
I'm so sorry
I also lost my job after 20 years. I hope to get a new opportunity soon…. Don’t give up
Employers don’t want to hire anyone unless your in their clique or you accept peanuts as pay or your a yes man an bow down
@gk505 agreed. Most employers shudder hiring at market pay higher end. And most employers have too many expectations going into a job.
You're not your
@@coldlyanalytical1351 what’s rubbish?
@@Cam-u1v an that’s why people get fed up with all the crap cause everyone seems they have correct everyone else like it’s life or death situation the technicalities is part of the problem
@coldlyanalytical1351 welll when majority of them are it’s not hard to figure it out get your head out the sand or you one of them an part of the clique until one day ya isn’t an it’ll rear its ugly head an come for you as well
I like your suggestions on a "defensive resume". Agism is a real thing that I have been combating for some time. I applied to several jobs at or a step above my current position. I'm in my late 50's and listed extensive experience and education with the dates for those. Had a really hard time getting the phone to ring. Received several, "thanks, but we decided on a different direction" emails. So, I re-worked my resume and removed all of the dates even for my current employment. No dates listed anywhere on the resume for jobs or education or military experience. I don't know if that was the solution, but within 24 hours I received a request for an interview followed by several other interest emails from other potential employers. There's no way to get around the future employer seeing my age during the interview. But, I got my foot in the door and was able to make a great presentation. Within 24 hours of the interviewed I received an offer above what my expectations were.
That is an excellent idea! Thank You!
Keep scoring, Bro! 👊
Congratulations!!!
I’m an older technical writer in software. My company just laid off a bunch of folks and is closing its local office. I held a rėsumė writing workshop for those getting laid off and suggested that participants omit older positions, because they reveal age and they’re most likely no longer relevant. You know, stuff that’s 15 or more years old. I did that for my own rėsumė. I suspect I’ll be replaced by one of my soon-to-be-hired counterparts in India.
damn I never thought of that but I'm going to try it. Thanks
What sucks is that I have had two significant events in my life that has broke me mentally, emotionally, and financially. The death of my wife when my kids were just babies, and my son that became homebound after COVID. I'm now almost 50 years old and more or less starting over for the third time in my life.
With my job gap it makes it hard to get a senior role that my qualifications should justify, but the job gap usually hurts me. I can't get into lower level roles because like mentioned in the video, I'm a "flight risk" or "overqualified". So what am I supposed to do?
Thankfully I recently landed a job, not exactly ideal, but it's a job. I don't know how I'll ever retire now unless I can eventually land a $150k/year job soon and bank half my income.
I am very sorry for your loss :( Hang in there brother, you're doing the right thing for your family.
Likewise, sorry to hear of your loss. That must be unimaginably hard to go through.
Wow man. That’s genuinely awful, and I’m sorry to hear that. I hope things continue to improve for you. I see a lot of folks whining and complaining on this channel where it’s obvious it’s their own bad attitude… But you, you really do have an excuse. That’s so much to endure
Tough to do. I started working full-time about 1980 so I've seen a few economic upheavals and had to 'morph' between different industries with my Enviro/health/safety skills. The tough part I found was all industry sectors have different terminology for the same EHS regulations, and all regulatory bodies have a lot of overlapping regulations that they organize and classify in different ways with even more differing terminology; think of it as saying the same phrase in different languages. I've had to adapt resume verbage and interview vocabulary to fit each industry as no industry (and hiring managers) wants to recognize the other industries similar skill sets (lazy management IMO). Thankfully I retired and no long have to put up with that mess anymore.
Please accept my condolences.
1. I leave my phone off when I'm at work and concentrate on my duties. It's amazing how much of an advantage that gives me over the young people.
2. I can sign my name.
The ability to read, write and do sums is a powerful advantage, I'd suggest.
Don't they have quotas to me though for diversity
A friend of mine wanted me to apply for a management position at his company. I got passed over because of my age. I was 49 at the time and the people I would be managing were in their late 20s-early 30s. I'm glad I got passed over because I found out the people I would have been managing are overly sensitive and hard to manage.
What happened to me is the opposite, a bait and switch. I applied for a senior job that was commensurate with my experience, and they hired me, but there was already someone in that role, and they had me doing very junior level work because the young people they were hiring wouldn't/couldn't do it. They kept telling me "they had great plans for me, I just had to wait". I told them, I just wanted the job I applied for. I felt so manipulated and it wasted my time. They also told me that I would have to take a pay cut because they were having problems, but they knew all along what they were doing and it was always to bait and switch to get a senior person to do the junior grunt work. I left quickly, fortunately. If you find yourself in this situation, don't wait, jump ship.
Any employer that is serious about promoting you will NOT use the carrot on the stick model. There will be no "trial period," no "promises," and no stipulations. They will just say you earned it, but don't make them regret the decision. Every time I was promised anything at all, the employer NEVER followed through. Every promotion I got was a pleasant surprise without the gaslighting.
@@gauloise6442 👍
leaving quickly if you find out the company is bad is excellent advice. keep a current resume and be ready to move on. no need to put up with poorly run companies. family business can be the worst of them all
I'm 50, sales manager, and have made several job changes over the last 10 years. The thing that keeps me relevant and in demand is the strategic manner in which I write my resume, how I groom myself, and as important is keeping up with technology, pop culture and vernacular, so that I can demonstrate the wisdom of experience as well as current relevance in tech, et al. Because I meaningfully demonstrate these attributes, I have been able to demand higher than average wage and with my current position I got more than the salary the position listed in their posting,. If you come off as an "Old Head" you make it easy for recruiters to pass you up.
Yeah, I remember seeing a conference presentation (for teachers) and the presenter asked something along the lines of "Do you have 10 years experience, or 1 year of experience 10 times?" The gist being that if you spend 10 years doing the same thing and never developing your skills, then you're not really as valuable as the 10 years would suggest.
I had a job in a call centre one time, at the time it was the only work I could get. I remember trying to get to know my fellow colleagues and I was a few years older than them, I was the Kim catrall of the group lol.
I find nothing more cringeworthy than older folks desperately trying to stay hip with the kids. It comes off as trying too hard. As a 45-year-old guy myself, I try to strike a balance between aging gracefully and not trying to sound like I’m 25 years old. Hint: nobody is buying the act as much as you think they are
It's probably easier in sales, because you are paid on commission. When you are a salaried / hourly worker, they can always find someone who is younger and cheaper who is good enough.
@@pensivepenguin3000Before you further expose that extra chromosome you're so desperately trying to conceal, let me ask you who said anything about being "Hip?" I'm a professional, which means I understand my product and my audience, and I focus on tending to the needs of my prospect. If you're narcissistically focused on yourself, you're probably a loser, because winners don't focus on themselves in sales. I am a closer. Results don't lie. I'll put my record up against anyone in sales, anywhere, in any industry.
So, so spot on….you nailed this Brian. Already feeling this at 53. Looking to get a solopreneur biz going.
Things make a lot more sense when you realize that the role of hiring managers and HR departments is to keep people out of the company, not let them in. In fact, their job is to hire as few people as possible.
Bingo.
A challenge for older workers (I’m one of them) is that they often don’t “advertise” their expertise and demonstrate their currency. They need to self-promote outside of their current role and build reputation through activities that showcase their combined experience and skills.
I'm 59. I worry about becoming unemployed and not being able to get any reasonable job. If I continue to work for the 5 years or so years, I'll be ok for retirement. Ok, not rich.
The market is awful. Hubby made $127k in 2020 then covid layoffs. A year of no employment and then a job at $60-$70 then another corporate closure. Now he is starting a job earning $35k. Once you hit 50, no one wants you. He has actually never been paid so low in his life.
So when r u out?
@@elenarda-i2x lol?
@@elenarda-i2xPound sand. You're clearly a tRump voter with your lack of empathy.
Nothing in life is secure. That's the great so-called USA home of the brave, land of the free.
@@reecediaz1700 I meant with regard to their misfortune. I was laughing at it.
I hope this clarifies things.
I have zero difficulty being hired at 62 years old. I work in a field that is always short staffed so I’m always in demand. Also, I keep myself strong, fit and attractive at every age so that when I’m on the interview it’s less likely that the employer will focus on my age and physical/ mental capabilities. I keep my skills current and this makes me a desirable candidate. I never discuss age or complain about any ailments or problems related to aging while I’m working. I make my age a non-issue. This is what works for me.
@@debbiesmith5513 You must be a teacher!😊
I am not a native English speaker but your speech is very clear and easy to understand for me. I prefer to listen every new video you make over many authors of many youtube topics because you content is pleasure and among the best for developing my English.
Start your own business when you are young...corporate is a toxic, sweatshop and dead end for most.
For older workers some of it I'm sure is attitude. I'm an older worker and we hired and few younger guys about a year ago. Honestly we've had a great time. They brought fresh knowledge and ideas and I've been able to share my experience and ideas with them also. It's been a wonderful collaboration. I wish it could be like this in more places.
Attitude is 99% of the problem for people in our age group. Just look at some of these comments, or the general way that older people carry themselves. They’re always grumbling about how the kids don’t know anything, they’re lazy, they’re entitled blah blah blah blah. They moan and groan about “woke” culture, political correctness, how the world is going to hell in a handbasket. Honestly, who the hell would want somebody like that working for them? Sounds miserable
@@pensivepenguin3000 The complaints about woke (communism 2.0) culture are accurate. Quota hiring has become overt, and a top-down, creeping totalitarian culture of feminized "niceness" (conformity) has made many company environments increasingly miserable for anyone with any independent-mindedness or alternative world views. All of the macro metrics, gamed as they are, show shocking declines when examined.
@ …and right on cue, there is one of them. You couldn’t have time that more perfectly lol. Thanks for exemplifying exactly what I was talking about. You hit all the classic notes, even rambling about “feminism.” if only you had worked in something about “postmodernism,” I could have completed my old angry guy bingo card 😂
Attitude is huge! You can teach people the "job". You can't teach people to accept, respect and get along. We have all worked with that one coworker that is the most skilled person in the group but doesn't get along with the rest of the team. Their tiny bit of improved productivity is vastly outweighed by how much they drag down the rest of the team.
Legacy companies like banks, insurance companies or big brands like Target or McDs are often good places to investigate if you’re an older worker. I’m a software developer in my 40s, and I’ve found that startups tend to favor that younger go-getter who is learning a new JavaScript framework every five seconds, whereas these bigger organizations tend to use more tried-and-true tech stacks and Move at a more measured, steady pace. Another thing to consider our government jobs, whether that’s federal, state, county or city level. They also tend to move a little more slowly, have a good work/life balance, great retirement benefits and generally more progressive hiring practices that might minimize the risk of age discrimination. Not as sexy, I know, but personally, I’m more interested in stability and predictability as I enter my older years
Especially if lack of predictability doesn't even pay off!
good concept since my view of government employees is "slow" and do as little as possible after all it's not a profit industry and that is the key its a status quo do not rock the boat affair this will be an interesting area as the DOGE looks to eliminate non-productive redundant positions the labor market is going to see a great influx of administrative
individuals those that remain will by on the edge for fear of losing their position merit will be the lodestone which will open the door for those with experience
this a dour forecast
@@pensivepenguin3000 I work in a bank and they only hire children.
This is one of the best advice videos I've ever come across on yT over the years. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
I’m turning 56, and have been in the software industry since 1995. My problem, is that my career hasn’t really gotten air under its wings. I started the management path 3 years ago, which is kind of late. So, recruiters will think “wow, this guy has been working for 25+ years and hasn’t reached any further than barely a team manager. That’s suspicious”.
If you are 50+, and have, say 10-15 years experience in upper management, you are considered as high game. But, if the only thing you have been doing the last decade is flipping JIRA tickets, you are low value.
Plenty of companies value people who "just" want to be an individual contributor. In this case I would consider my age a boon because it filters out companies that don't.
@ but I don’t want to work as an IC
I’m about half your age and going through the same thing. I’m having an extraordinarily difficult time climbing the ladder because as a woman at my age I’m a clear flight risk to go on maternity leave anytime. The workforce sucks in America for humans. You can be the best person for the job but if you don’t get “cHoSeN” by someone in upper management, forget it.
IT is far different from other fields and they just do not understand.. I was in IT 1985 to 2015. then they lied to us in October and in November thousands IT people all go bye bye. end stop. co turned into a shell holding company from an asset based co. sold off everything then leased it back and contracted out. Now Im farming for food bank. music driving etc.
When you're younger, you're passed over because you lack experience. Once you hit 50, now you're over qualified. So, my question is was there a Magical Moment when you're at the Goldielocs hour? These jobs are full of $#!T!😅
Those are broad generalizations. Unemployment is under 4% in the United States right now, so obviously the vast majority of folks are making it work
@@pensivepenguin3000 A lot of people have stopped applying for jobs.
The bureau of labor statistics is lying on the rate. Most people aren't making it work and the next financial crisis is the last financial crisis.
the point is that they are all biased. You have to know someone or do a zoom interview so they can't base their decisions on how old (or young) you look.
@@pensivepenguin3000 - The U6 unemployment rate is currently 7.7%. That is a more accurate reflection of the nation's employment situation.
U6 definition: "Total Unemployed, Plus All Persons Marginally Attached to the Labor Force, Plus Total Employed Part Time for Economic Reasons, as a Percent of the Civilian Labor Force Plus All Persons Marginally Attached to the Labor Force (U-6)"
I keep my resume to only the last 7 to 10 years, Bryan! I've been working for 25 years, now!
Pfft, I'm 38 and haven't had the phone ring for months. I guess Im just 12 years too early.
Skill issue, sorry mate. Hope you get something soon.
@@Frissdas1207 Thanks bro! Hoping I do get something soon but I also appreciate the nice feedback! 🙏
Amazon just hired a friend of mine who is in his 50's. It's work from home customer service type job I think. I'm sure they are probably still hiring. Something is better than nothing.
@@Frissdas1207 It's not a skill issue; it's a shitty job market. I've got all the skills one could have, and you still won't be hired in this market mid-30s. You'll have to accept lower to make it in this market.
Over 35 it gets rough. They can find people who will work cheaper. It was like this 10 years ago, so I am sure it worse today.
I'm glad you made this video, it reminds me of my transformation from a nobody to good home, $89k biweekly and a good daughter full of love..
My advice to everyone is that saving is great but investment is the key to be successful imagine investing $15,000 and received $472,700.
Hello, I'm a Doctor from Scotland, how do you make such amount? I'm a born
Christian but sometimes I feel so down of myself because of low finance but I still believe in God.
Making touch with financial advisors like *Janice Isaac Owen* who can assist you restructure your portfolio, would be a very creative option. Personal financial management will be crucial to navigating the next difficult times.
Unfortunately, not all of us were financially literate early. I was 35 when I finally educated myself and started taking steps. I went from $176,000 in debt with zero savings or retirement to now, 2 years later, fully debt-free and over $1000,000 net worth. I know that doesn't SOUND like a lot, but I'm incredibly proud of it. Now I'm fast-tracking my wealth building (investing $400,000 annually) and don't owe a dime to anyone. It's a good feeling!
You are absolutely right, we also have lot's of expert, real ones with certificate and firms IDS out there waiting for investors to invest and experience the best of trade.
heard this before, but my degree was in 1992, and without the date, it looks like I forgot to include it. I'm 54. Also I tried removing my military, 1997, but that's my longest employment and the only one I had supervisory experience
Both my husband and my big sister are well into their 60s and are both still employed with the Federal Government. Older tech workers like me are the ones getting discriminated against, especially women. I see men 55+ and 62+ getting jobs, but several of my female friends and I are STILL out of work. Yes, I take classes to level up my skills, and yes, I network. I am actually moving towards a career change to an entirely different industry.
Highly recommend checking out public sector tech jobs, at Fed, State, or local level (incl City & County). Tends to be a skills & experience-based hiring process, and every public entity has a worker shortage. Benefits tend to be good, pay will usually be on the low- to mid-range of private, and the PTO and work-life balance are solid.
Only issue is location - State tech jobs usually are in the capital city, and Federal tech jobs tend to be in Fed hubs (DC-MD-VA corridor, NYC, Denver, etc). No-remote on-paper, but hybrid is becoming more prevalent. Also places with strong municipal unions tend to be better, with more political support.
I was out 5yrs after the 08 recession, and right at the point where I was ready to pretend to be a dude on my resume, I finally landed a civil service job. It's nice to work in tech and be respected.
Data has shown that women tend to produce less, don’t work as much as men, complain more, and aren’t as good as their male counterparts.
I'M 60 and was told I would be getting another promotion and raise starting in 2025. They don't want me to leave. FYI - I was promoted last year as well. Also, a dozen much young employees without the skills were let go 6 months ago. Note: I work in I.T. and now A.I.
I am 58, and just got hired as a Solutions Architect. One of the reasons they wanted me was because I knew financial systems protocols that have not changed much in the last 35 years, and the younger people have no experience with those. I also kept myself up to date with technology.
I faced job loss in my early 50s, and initially, it felt like my career was over. After about six months, I secured a new role, although it required relocation and a step down. From there, I was able to progress steadily. In my experience, companies often value seasoned professionals for senior, strategic positions. They recognize the need for wisdom and experience that comes with time, rather than relying solely on generalists who can be more easily replaced by younger employees. Persistence and adaptability were key in my journey forward.
Great advice! Now retired after 47 years of an engineering/manufacturing career, I squarely blamed HR and the "leadership team" for the existing problems. Leadership starts with hiring the best people for the job at any level or age. The BS about a hire's longevity on the job is ridiculous. People stay where they are treated well. A new hire today has no likelihood of staying. HR/executive needs to work on supporting, mentoring, and understanding their employees to determine the best path for building a solid team.
My issue was always not having a path forward at all. It seemed like they only wanted me for a specific role and that’s it.
Same!
Blue collar jobs like plumbers. No young person wants to do jobs like that . And there's a huge shortage.
Exactly
Older guys won't be becoming tradesmen easily. That is a young man's game. I've worked in multiple trades for 30+ years. This kind of work will wear out the office set. Hell, I took a couple years out of the field and worked in management, and I have never got my conditioning against the elements back to the level it was.
Most white collar, middle-aged men wouldn't last a week on a roof. I find it hilarious that IT guys think that they can just "go do electrical work", as if it isn't every bit as technical and complex as writing code, as well as being absolutely deadly off you screw up.
New guys in the trades are treated like mules. Most white collar guys would crumble....I've seen it many times
No play for Mr. Gray. I was 60 years old when I won my Department award of over 200 employees for having the best production and quality.
Your company won probably some kind of award about "keeping oldies at work"...
@ That’s a good point. I worked for Citi Mortgage during the Mortgage crisis.
I'm in my mid 50s with no debts and no kids at home. I can take a pay cut and work longer hours with ease. The funny part: all those younger people will be my age at some point and I hope they get treated the way I do.
52 here and got a great remote software developer job a few months ago, but agree biases do exist. I can only imagine how many times my cv has been discarded because of my age before I've even been interviewed. Even though here it is completely illegal to discriminate based on age.
I'm 51 and consider myself incredibly fortunate to be clinging on by my fingertips in games and TV production. The best advice I can give people in their 30s and 40s who are becoming bosses is to be reeeeeeal good to the people working under you; every job I've booked since right before COVID has been via people I used to supervise in one way or another.
It’s not only people in their 50s. I’m in my late 30s and is facing the same issues.
For women it honestly starts in our mid 20s and lasts until our late 40s (the not getting hired due to employers fearing we will go on maternity leave).
This is really good advice. My training is in industrial psychology. I specialized in job search techniques and strategies. This is very good advice. There are challenges in every age group. Please keep that in mind. No one is exempt. If you're in your twenties, you're too young and green. And your thirties, and you're a woman, they think about having to make room for your children. There is no good age group. The easiest people I found success in we're the older workers because they are not as tied to outside obligations. They're more mature. Not a lot of drama and they train very easily. The downside is, there is a propensity for an older person to have the attitude that they just want to fit in, draw the check and go home. They get complacent. That's really what they're seeing when you interview. It's not your age. It's your attitude. You showed the attitude and then they see the age
I saw it over and over again. It happened in 30, 40, 50, and 60 year olds. It was what was in the eyes and the attitude.
We came from a generation that like to get a job, and just stay there pretty much until they retired. It was changing when I was in my hay day but it's still very much existed. My suggestion would be, no matter what age you are, think about your attitude towards life in general. Are you still emotionally active? Are you taking classes at the local college? Do you have some sort of physical activity you like to engage in? This one's going to hurt. Are you in reasonable shape? I don't mean like an athlete. I just mean as someone who takes care of themselves. These things all speak much louder than your age. I found that to be true when I was job hunting, and I found that to be true when I was coaching other people. If you're going to act like an old person? Or at least what is perceived as old? You're going to have a hard time getting a position as greeter at walmart.
I'm 41, and after COVID disrupted my life/career, I had to start all over again.
I had been in my career for so long that my skills became what other companies think of as "stale". I did the best to try and educate myself and learn as much as I could but the programs I needed to use required money and I had no job for 6 months. Fast forward after 2 years of working at Home Depot and putting myself back through school to try and learn something completely different I now have a career again but I don't know how long I can stay in this career considering I am getting older and this is a rather labor-intensive job.
I have thought about trying to do the multiple streams of income like you had mentioned, but when you don't make that much money it's a little difficult to think of what you can do to create multiple streams of income when you have no extra money to invest.
I want to do this, but i'm at a loss.
There is no magical way to do it without the bank of rich parents / generational wealth. Most people who can afford to invest got started with wealthy families but pretend they did it on their own.
I am 54 years old and effectively destitute. I did complete a BS in mechanical engineering from the University of Arizona in 1995. I completed an MBA with the University of Phoenix in 2001. I realize the Dow Jones Industrial Average just rose about points and passed 40,000 for the first time in history not too long ago. I am not sharing in it. I have not shared in the rise of the NASDAQ. I have the skills of mathematics to do financial analysis. But I have been more fascinated with invention for a long time. My life is terrible because it can seem like some entity has arranged it so that my experiences with my parents and other relatives is meant to convince me I am a very bad person who has made mostly bad choices. My emotions have been much closer to suicide than happiness being around my parents, sister, her husband, and my nephews, as well as the companions of my nephews. I avoid getting a haircut because they can make feel so pitiable. It is unbelievable misery.
@@lexa_power Well said. Dave Ramsey comes to mind.
Great vid…thanks for posting it. I am a first-time viewer, and was curious if you have an episode featuring the top “emerging technologies” that over-50 job-seekers should be acquainting themselves with?
I just turned 48 and have been looking for a lateral change for two years. I’m a lot of peoples second choice or that is what I’ve been told. It’s hard not to suspect discrimination when you’re getting interviews but getting no where. I’ve been in my current job for 10 years and I’d love to move from the city I live in to a better area.
I’m in the same boat even though I’m quite a bit younger. For women the age discrimination starts so young. I’ve been getting questioned by bosses about my family planning since early 20s.
B. Again you speak the truth. Update your skills that employers want. Personal brand yourself. Network with key people. It total mindset. How bad do you want it. Pure action. Keep up the good work.
I did all that to my resume and no bites. And I’ve been applying for 2 yrs while I have a job. I’ve decided to add AI skills to get ahead of that industry. I haven’t been able to find alternate streams of income.
This was very good resume, and other, advice and commentary for older adults. The bottom line is that, harsh as it might sound, you can NOT count on any one but yourself--and hopefully your spouse and immediate family. Companies overwhelmingly don't care; the government overwhelmingly doesn't care; others most don't/won't care--or even if they do care, can't or won't help. It's up to ALL of us to be proactive and work hard, and one of the smartest things that one can do--assuming they have made at least half-decent income along the way is to live well within your means, invest regularly and starting as early as possible, and always put back towards a 6-24-month emergency fund for a "rainy day" because invariably you'll have to tap into it at least to some extent. Unfortunately, I'm not in as good a position at present--for several reasons, mainly ones that were out of my control--but when I was making excellent money, I always paid ahead on homeowner's for the entire year; paid ahead for the maximum 6 months on car; had three-month's worth of food in my "pantry"; (as much as some might criticize me for a misuse of funds and not having it invested) I had my water paid ahead for 14 months and my electric for 12; and I had $22,000 in the bank JUST for emergencies. I slept MUCH better...but unfortunately ended up needing ALL of that when something beyond my control occurred. Be prepared people; AND always be looking for ways to, without a lot of extra time, bring in extra income from non-job sources--and if possible, create an ongoing business. Even a side business netting $1,000/month can save you and your family from losing your home and being on the streets, hungry! Make such an endeavor a FAMILY project--if you're married or a single parent with old enough children--and become closer as a family working on such an important project, while teaching your kids valuable business/work skills, responsibility, and self-sufficiency. Thanks for the video and your channel. 🙂
Would taking classes on an ongoing basis help to show your skills are up to date?
I encourage the Govts and Business Industry organizations to hire older workers in need of employment and wanting to serve in their respective capacities. The older workers have experience skills talents abilities and high potential the younger workers do not have. I write with concern and interest for the older worker. Great show.
AI does make the hiring process much worse. I was working at a company that started using it and the quality of resumes it let through dropped immediately.
One of the things I noticed was that it always promoted resumes with “California” regardless of anything else. I have a pretty good guess where the developers were from.
Corporate America has been combining two or three or even four jobs in one role. Experienced workers see this in the job description, and in the actual role once they get hired. They push back on this, and management bounces them in favor of youger people who don't know any better. In addition, more experienced workers know more than their less experienced managers....and of course we all know we can't have that.
I retired last year.
So glad I don’t have to worry about any of this stressful maneuvering anymore.
Thank you for this click-bait entitled infomercial. I'm glad you had a chance to pitch a couple of your courses and show us one way to act when you become a consultant.
You have followed the template exactly: identify the problem(s), amplify the problem(s), promise solutions (if only you buy my courses) and then quickly depart and leave it in the customers' hands.
If they don't go running to your solutions, then "they're not serious" and only have themselves to blame for their ongoing misery.
You know you're an you're in an expanding market right now, so you have opportunities. And I know you have to pay your bills. I also know the template you are using is well over two decades old.
Sounds like you might have some "skills stagnation" of your own to deal wiith.
This surprises me, the experience I have from worklife is that CEO (who usualy are in their 50s/60s) love to hire people their own age, they can talk old memories about athletes I have never heard of from 1989, the CEOs feel like they can trust people more from their own generation etc. So this age discrimination thing surprises me tbh.
This is the exact opposite of what I have seen. Most older high-level execs want to prove to the world that they are not old themselves by hiring and associating with young people.
Age discrimination in employment is rampant & the most common form of discrimination in the world.
I am 44. I was at my last job way too long (13 years) and my skills were blunted due to their outdated way of doing things. My newer position is lesser than previous, but pays about the same with 1/3rd the responsibility. I could tool up again, but my passive income streams are letting me sit back and be lazy. I would be amazed if I couldn't retire by 50.
My girlfriend works at a major law firm they just hired a new lady in her 70’s that came out of retirement back into the workplace I really think it depends on what you do for a living 🤔
I'm now looking at getting out of truck driving and doing something else. I'm starting to realize now what a nightmare transitioning to a dispatcher position or something else is going to be for me and I'm scared. Being a 50 plus year old
I’ve been doing consulting cause it pays better than anything else i can find! I never knew you could really get paid for this. I actually miss being in my field so these videos are helpful. I’m at a tough age where im in my prime child bearing years and all employers see me as a flight risk to go on maternity leave and I’m having trouble getting my foot back in the door for a career type job.
I am a career counselor. There is no shortage of workers for just about any job. Don't believe the employer propaganda. Employers want more and more for less and less. It comes down to poor working conditions. Nursing and trucking are examples.
Thanks for making this. It's hard to plan maybe years ahead sometimes, but thinking of careers in ten year increments, with different values and strategies for each, is very helpful.
Best thing you can do is back up 30 years, pay off your house, save a shitload of money, live small and then you don't have to deal with this crap. 😂
Very true. When you have no bills, you have lots more options.
Don't get married and have kids.
A brilliant video. I lost my job at 55, with no notice and immediate effect. It's now 9 months on and only 2 interviews. Both of them passed me over for the job because they were worried I'd get bored at the role. So what did I do? I started an e-commerce business, wrote a book and published it, took on freelance clients. There are so many ways to earn money these days, without having a 9-5 job. I learned very quickly that job security doesn't exist any more. So find a different way, you may be surprised just what you are capable of beyond the obvious.
54yo. Was laid off a year ago from a technical management position where I was making around $350k in total compensation. Took seven months to secure a new job and I had to take about a 50% cut in total pay. I'm grateful though as I will still be able to contribute to my retirement and pay all my bills. I had dozens of interviews, but no offers until this job. Don't know if age discrimination had anything to do with it, but the job market is extremely competitive in tech right now.
Yeah, trust me, it was discrimination.
I'm 57, unemployed 9 months. Gave up IT tech support type career because I couldn't stand it any more. I've already removed the oldest jobs from my resume, removed the dates to avoid ageism...still nothing. Getting no reply or "not enough experience" to even minimum wage jobs. But isn't removing dates from my resume also a red flag to recruiters, that I did it purposely?
I don't think it has anything to do with your resume. It's the job market that sucks. Tech layoffs are still happening going into 2025 (since 2023).
I found at 56 you gotta sell yourself like the rent is due tomorrow.
I was hired because at 56, I knew how to smooth over the ruffled feathers of our older clients. That made sales and made the higher up happy.
That's great for people with sales skills, but some of us are complete engineering, science or art geeks who couldn't sell a bowl of warm beef with gravy to a dog.
@ I learned my sales skills as a chemistry major during poster sessions. I hustled and networked more doing while bench chemistry than any other job I had.
It was a bigger network/hustle/sell sell sell than my fine art career ever was. (Medium was glass). I had to learn the “sales” angle as that is not my base personality at all. Motivational Steve Jobs I am not lol.
I now work with durable medical equipment. I still slump glass as a hobby.
I retired after 34 years. Kept my grandchildren for a while and then got a job (supposedly part time, but they work me 28 to 31 hours a week-on my feet the entire time except for 30 mins.for lunch). I am 67.5 years old and I can tell you that: my eyesight is not what it used to be and I have to use my glasses to see tiny numbers; my legs and feet hurt at the end of the day with sharp stabbing pains at times, and I wake up at night with leg cramps sometimes. I have had just a little trouble understanding complex accounting procedures on the “register/computer,” which I have to do on the “back office” register); and I’m on call a lot, which is hard when you’re older and at the grocery store and you have to drop everything to come in and cover for someone. I also often have some doctors’ appointments that I have to keep, because if I don’t, my health could go downhill. So I have to ask for time off. If I don’t get my vaccines and/or wear a mask, I’m more susceptible to every illness going around. Older individuals may have diabetes and have to visit the restroom more often to pee or monitor their glucose levels. It can be done, and the work ethic, general politeness, and experience of the older employee is worth it imo, but it can be hard at times. And yes, most everyone I know who is older and holds a job like mine is in the same boat.
At 50, I went out and got an accredited 3rd party engineering certification applicable to my job to pre-empt the old accusation that my skills are no longer up to date because I'm "old". I recommend doing this. As soon as anyone claims I'm obsolete, I can pull out my validated certificate and say here you go, my skills and knowledge in this field of work have been tested and verified as up to date by an accredited 3rd party certification body. I know for a fact this kept me off a few layoff lists once this became known. And if they do let me go, it will help the next employer feel more comfortable hiring me. From the legal perspective, it removes this justification for laying you off and this then presents more legal risk for a company considering doing this. Something to consider.
Thanks for outlining that 4th quarter profit earnings are primary to Corporations. Cut throat but skill sets are not necessarily going to secure your role. Sometimes the company wants a cheaper workhorse instead, as well.
Health care is the main problem once older workers in the us are let go. Wonder is some of the age discrimination is due to health case costs on older workers.
Yes
This has been true for the past 48 years I have been in the workforce.
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I'm 64 and asked to stay 3 years. I'm been in Cyber Secuirty for 25 years. I'm now creating AI data sets for corprate America. Complexity of the work is key.
I just turned 50 in September and it took me 4 months to get a job everyone told me No
Near 50. I am just going to focus on creating my own job while working towards my doctorate degree (finishing in 3-4 years). My background is in engineering, and I have branched out in business. "Overqualified" for many years. "No skills" according to corporate recruiters. While I disagree, it is not worth the fight and the agony that comes with it. As a male spouse to a military officer, I have employment gaps for the time we have lived overseas, but the experience was the best! It just points me to figure it out on my own. Own business. Own boss. Own scrutinizer.
Cheers,
So basically your spouse supported you while you went to school to apparently "find" yourself. Very impressive...
The average age of an incoming S&P 1500 CEO in 2023 was 56 years old. It seems a little hypocritical to then say that I’m too old for a much lower position at the age of 50. Whatever, I don’t care anymore. I’ll try to build my freelance career if these companies don’t want me.
so much fluff advise out there, but this is very good! I'm 60 and have been in IT since I was in my early 20's, and everything you said is true and I've seen it work many times. Thank you!
I feel, like many things, this all started with the Boomers. When my dad was coming up there was a strict hierarchy with lots of old timers who retired at 62 (or whatever the age was). My dad said work was work, but they were decent and looked at humans as humans, even if you still had to deal difficult personalities, and you could have a career moving up within one company. He said it all changed when the Boomers arrived, they hated older people, only looked at money, fired senior people so they could exploit young people, etc etc. Then when the Boomers aged, they refused to retire but also refused to stay up with technology, reinforcing the out of touch old person stereotype. It will be Gen Xers that get let go, before the Boomers are, unfortunately.
I’m lucky cause although I’m 50, my boss is in his late 70s! We are trained in DevOps, cybersecurity and many other modernized technologies to keep up with the market.
If you remove dates etc, they will dump you because you have failed to provide all the details they requested. They will know you're hiding something.
@@marianhunt8899 AGREE
Well done. First time listen. Well organized. We all appreciate you boss.
What ruined my job history was job hopping now i've got pages upon pages of rubbish jobs on the resume, and this is because my government EXPECTS me to take ANY JOB.
You explained this perfectly. I plan on retiring from my full-time job in 2025 and not going to pursue this type of employment afterward. I would, however, like a part-time job. But, yes, I have definitely experienced some biases in terms of advancement as I age. Experienced older people are left to stagnant while the younger ones get the opportunity to learn newer skills at work. There is a presumption we ALL are incapable or not willing to learn, which, in my case, is not true.
"Leveraging my targeted networking to get more visible in my career verticals...." yeah. That's the ticket. What does that actually mean?
Thanks for depressing the Hell out of me. Not only have I been thrust into the worse job market in 20 years, weeding through ghost jobs and having ghost interviews, I need to hide useful job experience cuz someone might figure out my age. Perfect
I’m 26 and have been in my job for more than four years. The market is terrible right now, and I plan on staying where I’m at for now. My role has definitely evolved, and I’m learning new things as well as receiving raises annually. Though, a role like mine is the exception over the rule.
I had a hard time job hunting once I turned 60.
Although technically, you don't have to reveal your age on an application, but, some jobs require you to provide your college transcripts. On mine, my highschool graduation year is stated.
Also, if an ID is required, your birthday is on it.
I graduated high school in 1984, I was five years old. haha
Damn this hits home in so many ways. This is a fantastic video.. thank you for all the info. I am one of those in my final 3rd career.. been out of work for a year and am fortunate enough to have had enough money to survive for a little bit.. but things are starting to get thin in the bank. I also am trying to build my own dream project.. but as a lone developer/software eng, its VERY VERY slow going partly because the project is very ambitious and despite the "make a prototype in 3 months or dont bother" there are a lot of moving parts to my project that cant just be done in a couple months. Like a lot of dependencies have to be built first to then build the prototype on top of. Anyway.. I cant tell you how much I resonate with everything you said.. the whole "I'll take half the salary just to be working" and being told "you made too much before, you'll be a risk to leave or you'll be too hard to manage because you have way more experience than anyone else and youll want to do things your way" comes up all the time. Frankly.. I just want to write code and not have to go nuts any more.. but convincing 30-something hiring people that a 50-something would be working that way is impossible. Also.. very few jobs seem to understand that with age things slow down a little.. that should be OK. Frankly I have worked from home the past 15+ years and I work 7 days a week, with intermixed breaks, kid stuff, etc. I still put in (or used to) about 60+ hours a week and dont have any problem doing so because I dont have to drive and deal with traffic, office drama and distractions, etc. It should be a good thing but now that the real-estate tycoons are forcing their tech tycoons in to people back in the office.. Yah.. its an issue for me especially cause I have some anxiety issues that make it difficult to focus/work in office settings (and especially these stupid open work environments with no privacy.. at least set up cubicles for forks sake!). So like you said.. my hope is to build something in the next year or so that can produce some money. In the mean time I am going to try to build some side gig things with wood/hobbies that I enjoy doing and maybe sell something if I can. Second stream of income I hope.. even if its only $100 here and there.
I wonder why these so called inclusive initiatives and DEI don’t talk about old folks ? That’s hypocrisy