In modern gymnastics it feels like the difficulty matters more than execution so we see more awkward looking or messy routines. If execution mattered more than difficulty it might be more visually appealing with fewer wobbles and step outs and pauses to focus between elements as athletes wouldn't push themselves to do acrobatics they couldn't do perfectly. But instead it's more about pushing the boundaries and developing physical strength. It's still an amazing sport and I'm in awe of the power of today's gymnasts but it feels like they've taken the "artistic" out of "artistic gymnastics".
I agree that the balance between execution and difficulty needs to be adjusted. As it is Simone can do insanely difficult routines that she never executes cleanly. She often makes massive blunders and still easily gets the highest score. If the execution was more highly valued she would have to dial back her acrobatics a bit and we would get a more beautiful routine albeit less extreme. This is an overcorrection of the 10 point system where difficulty didn't matter as long as certain required elements were done and provided no incentive for more impressive stunts.
I did gymnastics in the early 2000s, we weren’t a big club and we still focused on the old school way of gymnastics, execution over difficultly. All the children went to go to ballet lessons and incorporated ballet steps into the routine in time to the music. Most of the smaller clubs still had the old vaults too and the floor was just hard mats put down with no spring whatsoever. Just watching the Olympic artistic gymnastics today in some ways it’s like watching a different sport. The tumbles are much bigger/more showy, with dance steps just to link between the different moves and elements without just walking. It is the same in the beam, I appreciate the skill required and it’s still fantastic to watch, I know I never would’ve been able to those massive acrobatic elements they do now, but there is a special beauty in a perfectly done backwards walkover that eclipses the huge acrobatic elements for me. I know some people will say, if you want to watch dancing, go watch a dance, and modern dance these days actually combines a lot of acrobatic gymnastics moves, but without the execution that gymnastics is judged by, hence why it is unique and different. Dancing was and still should be an integral aspect of gymnastics routines, not just a way to get from A to B without any thought or rhythm.
I’m so glad to hear that there are still some that value musicality and rhythm in gymnastics. The same is true in figure skating. They’ve become nothing (we;;, not “nothing,” they’re incredible athletes to be sure, but-) nothing but acrobats stringing together impossible incredible feats on skates, but with zero attention to the music. Now Kim Yu-na, did you ever watch her skating routines?? You’d appreciate her! She is true gold and so far beyond anyone else, because her technical skill so far surpasses that her ballet training and natural musicality float through. THAT is what makes her the queen of the ice.
Interesting post! I dislike the lack of rhythm on the floor exercises especially. Some highly decorated gymnasts, today, don't even move to the music. Movements can even feel perfunctory. (phoning it in, as if there's no focus on it). That wobbly wolf turn they do for difficulty points looks horrible.
There are a bunch of amazing routines in 1972. But the danger was so high in some moves, resulting in death of paralysis, that they had to change the rules
@@kellyoleary4156I agree. Olga is simply fascinating to watch. If you notice, they show her in balance beam, uneven bars, and floor. That's how amazing she was. I don't even watch them today because they make today's gymnastics all about one person, it's not even a TEAM sport anymore. A simple Google search shows my point. It's so sad.
1972 was the best year for everything. I am truly impressed. It was the perfect mix of artistic stuff and gymnastics. To be honest, I fail to see the artistic side in today's gymnastics. It is just difficult stuff to do, technical skill, kind of boring.
Olga Korbut (1972) would absolutely wipe the floor with the gymnasts at this year’s Olympics. She flies! So light and effortless, no heavy stomping or wobbles. Her feet are always perfectly placed. Olga and Nadia Comaneci are the greatest of all time in my opinion.
Different equipment the floor they use today may feel weird to Olga and Nadia today’s floor has more springs and bounce. Different times different scoring and equipment (technology)
If yr old commenting on ytube more power to you. If yr not, stop being silly. The majority of us want more difficulty power & precision. Nowadays there’s multiple sources of dance for “beauty” which I assume u mean
This is what I miss, the smooth elegance and lyrical gymnastic performances. I wish they would return to pretty flowing movements that are mesmerising to watch. Today, these look more dangerous and are so fast after pauses that it's like a collection of moves.
How can they judge that though? The dance moves are pretty subjective... It's nice to have some dance elements, it wouldn't be good without them but of course they look dangerous, they can't win without difficulty or be that interesting without difficulty.
Putting a positive comment down here. Thank you for the effort you put into finding the clips, editing them, captioning them, and uploading the video. I loved it 😊
She was my favorite of all time.. I was a six year old Polish girl who looked just like her, down to the pigtails, so I LOVED watch her, and she was Soo good so bendy, so fearless! They made some of her moves illegal they were so dangerous 😮
@@kristinaanderson8488- It was her smile. I was 11 while watching her and after every routine, she'd do that gymnast pose and her smile would light up her face. It was inspiring to watch someone do something so difficult, yet she made it look easy!
The bars in 1936 was just elegant and stunning to me. The control of the slow, deliberate holds was an incredible feat of all body strength to me which, I guess, is exactly what the routine was suppose to show!!
Olga Korbut so graceful and beautiful to watch! Each to their own but personally I'm not nterested in displays of brute strength. I used to enjoy watching gymnastics back in the day, not anymore.
I love the concept of this video and the tidbits of information you've added but skipping the '80s (and '90s) does a great disservice to the whole idea. The '80s especially is the most innovative, creative and fun decade to watch! There's a huge difference between the gymnastics of the '70s and of the '80s. They still had artistry, form and beautiful coreophraphies on floor and beam but they also had big skills on all events, some of which are now banned because they're too dangerous. The vault was forever changed by Yurchenko, on bars they had so many incredibly new skills that are still used today (the Shaposhnikova for example) on top of beautifully weird mounts and dismounts, on floor they had back to back tumbling, Silivas did a double double for the first time, and the coreos were always so fun to watch. They had so much originality that is now almost completely lost. You can't have a video on the evolution of gymnastics without the '80s.
While I agree with your comments about how awesome gymnastics were during the 1970s-1990s, I don't think this video cared a hoot about individuals through the years. Instead, it seemed to have a very narrow focus showing general changes through the decades. Some were subtle, others blatent. And it's ok to have a narrow focus, especially when you don't want to create a 692-hour video! Because that's what it would take to show the progression of the sport and all the people involved and on and on. Another thought is that perhaps the filmmaker might have only been able to get film from certain eras to use in hiss video. I would think networks own their film, and can't see why they wouldn't allow it to be used, but you never know. Anyway, it would be great if the filmaker made another compare-contrast video featuring JUST the 1970s-1990s era. That would be so cool to watch. He could make it into a series! It'd sure watch it.
@@angiec1960too Yes, I agree! It's only a short video, impossible to show every development and every significant gymnast. It could be an hour longer and someone would still be disappointed that their favorite or someone important from their country wasn't featured. So many amazing gymnasts over the years!
This is so interesting. It almost feels like two different sports. I know nothing about gymnastics and don’t really have the terminology to describe it. All I can say is the 60 and 70s gymnasts were so flexible and elegant. They really had style and grace. I can see in the 2000s where the gymnasts seem to really combine the two. By the 2020s, their athletic skill is amazing. I always wondered, having only seen modern gymnastics, why they bother with what I see as the “dance” elements because it usually looks so robotic and ridiculous on these athletes. The music is usually irrelevant too because it could be any song because the movements don’t look timed to it at all. Now it makes sense that those elements are a holdover from when gymnastics looked very different. I’m torn on what to think. I truly respect the athleticism and power of today’s gymnasts but I love how beautiful the old style gymnasts look performing their routines as well. They’re actually combining dance elements meaningfully with acrobatic skills. I guess if you’re into the beauty side, there’s rhythmic gymnastics but part of me would like to see there be something in the middle that combines artistry along with athletics, and then a form more like men’s that would cut out all of the dancing stuff and let the woman just compete. I think there are some great gymnasts today that would shine if they didn’t have to add some of those dance elements. They don’t look good doing it and it takes away from their skill. We also have some gymnasts that are just so graceful and flowy that lack the power of some of the top gymnasts but as an untrained eye, their routines actually look better and more put together to me. It would be nice if each group had a place to shine.
Couldn't agree more; you captured everything i was thinking. I recently heard a retired semi-pro gymnast friend depreciate Simone's performance this year in favor of Suni Lee's. She mentioned all of the above regarding the graceful, artistic "ballet" components of past gymnastic routines, but also recognized Simone for the powerhouse that she is (she just prefers the look of the former better). I agree it would be nice if there could be two separate events where the graceful, ballet-like routines return while saving the power gymnastic competition for those are built best to succeed there without any frills. Agreed, both talents should shine.
If you showed people from the olga and nadia era todays gymnastics, they would probably be more amazed and more excited to watch it rather than watch the same moves over and over again. Sorry something called competition exists nowadays😂 and filters out the biases
Different gymnastics, now focused on difficulty, acrobacy, strength, not artistry as before. It is not that today's gymnasts are not graceful or "femenine". It is only that they are not asked to focus on that.
This is so awesome. After watching the 2024 Olympians, who have clearly decided that physics has no place in gymnastics, as those women are matrix-breaking masters of space and time, I was trying to explain how much gymnastics has changed. This is a wonderful compilation. I hope you got really good marks!
On a tendance à oublier a quel point Olga Korbut a complétement révolutionné la discipline.... Aujourd'hui a chaque fois que je regarde ses prestations je tremble tellement les risques qu'elle prenait étaient hallucinants .... Des mouvements ont porté son nom, certains sont aujourd'hui interdits et a juste titre... Mais son nom est beaucoup moins reconnu que Nadia Comaneci donc c'est super de l'avoir mise elle a l'honneur plutôt que Nadia 👍
Seuls les ignorants ne connaissent pas Kurbut qui était bien meilleure que Comaneci, mais les USA ont mis Comaneci devant la scène pour détruire la domination soviétique.
As an actual ballet dancer, these are two different things. Ballet is more subjective therefore it is not considered so much a sport but gymnastics is. Only difficulty and execution can actually be judged objectively. If you want more grace, watch ballet. If you want power, watch gymnastics.
@@PoppyPostsVideos these older videos show the glory that used to be… And if you ever watched figure skating… Kim Yu-na … the Queen of the Ice, gold-medalist athlete…the Margot Fonteyn of ice skating. You see what ice skating (and gymnastics) *should* look like- if we still valued art and grace and beauty as we ought… as much as we value athletic, strength, tricks and acrobatics. I can’t stomach watching the rest of them anymore. And now I see it in gymnastics.
I can tell by the comments that people would love for you to do a longer video and cover more years, as well as please do give us the names of the people who you include. I found this to be fascinating and I love the Irish music you used.
Выступление на бревне 1965 завораживает. Красота, грация. Ольга Корбут - потрясающе. Легенда. Современные брусья тоже хороши 👍 А вот современный ковер нет.
I, too studied the art of gymnastics. I studied /practiced at Olga Korbit’s gym in which my specialty is the balance beam. The bars were my hardest to compete in. 4:00
Thank you so much for making this video! As i watch the 2024 olympics, I am making comparisons to earlier eras and the "young pups" don't understand. And, as another person commented, the 80's really did have a nice balance between artistry and acrobatics.
yes, but if you read the captions, it isn't that it's easier but there's more and less value on different elements, plus shifts for safety and execution.
Watching Nadia perform the beam in 1976 was eye opening. Notice there really weren't any balance checks. Olga in '72 as well. Yes it definitely has changed but not all of it for the better. The size of the gymnasts nowadays is so muscular it's crazy to even try to compare.
That would be a great idea--a "Star Gymnast Retro Tour" where today's greatest gymnast perform the exact same medal-winning routines of the past, particularly those in the 70s, which required incredible flexibility and so much grace and elegance. It would really be fascinating! I'd go!
@@lindanussbaum-richman4338 There is a video where three floor routines of the gymnasts's from the 80's are judged according to nowadays rules...And, guess what, the score from nowadays is very close to the score they got backthen...
Korbut was the true goat 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐of my generation, watching it in 1972 as an 11-year-old girl I was so amazed by her so she will always be number one to me and I began following gymnastics because it was just so beautiful and now as I just finished watching the years Olympics, something is definitely missing and I learned more in your short video today. Thank you for explaining everything not just how showing how everything changed but spelling it out and telling us. I really appreciate that. I hope that the true artistry in gymnastics isn’t gone forever so that we don’t have to just see muscle building high acrobatics when those that watched years ago know how truly beautiful the sport of gymnastics can be.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
One thing I see is that the old school Routines were more interesting. Like they had more style. We maybe lost that for more complexity. They were like perfect. But one would argue we could do them perfect too now. But still I see a graceful dunk here. Versus a complex less gorgeous one!!! It's still about looks.
I remember they compulsory rounds. All having the same routines/skills and thw floor had the same music. They were able to individualize while doing the same moves competitor after competitor. Maybe if they brought them back, but untelevised, we could see the extra fluidity we saw in the days of old. Then again, they ARE the days of old and the changes are forever.
The hardest discipline; Nadia Cominech was wonderfully talented an naturally gifted an her seemingless musicality, rhythm and flow was near unmatched unless by the Korbuts, Kims etc Todays Artists really need t do ' expressive dance' more instead of just seemingly endless flip-flopping f the majority of their routines
I agre, Nadia was a senasation on all 4 areas, inexplicable how she does not get a mention So Please put her centre stage with Olga Korbut who between them made women's gymnastics a serious competitive sport
Veo que a lo largo de los años no solo se mejoró tecnina si no tambien entrenamientos y alimentacion, el cuerpo de cada una de ellas si notan es distinto! Es increíble como el deporte crece cada año
At least none of them did what I did once. I was just practicing a simple forward handspring flip over the horse, but didn't get quite enough oomph on the takeoff. Instead of flipping over, I stalled out in a handstand on the horse, and was stuck that way laughing at myself. I finally kicked my feet enough to complete the flip, but by that point it looked more like a tree falling over. Ridiculous.
@@aae1972 No, Simone parece robot sin gracia, sin delicadeza, sin sutileza, perdón pero parece que quisiera romper los aparatos o el piso de tanta fuerza. Lo siento se ve grotesca.
The music reminds me of the movie Titanic ..... after Jack asks Rose if she wants to 'go to a REAL party'! I love this compilation-- to see how much the styles & routines have changed over the years.
If you showed people from the olga and nadia era todays gymnastics, they would probably be more amazed and more excited to watch it rather than watch the same moves over and over again. Sorry something called competition exists nowadays😂 and filters out the biases
Olga was fabulous, I love her presentation, grace and dance skills - she makes the muscle-bound power gymnasts of today look very untidy in execution. I hate the way today’s gymnasts wave their arms about too.. Olga used her arms & hands beautifully. I admire the power and bravery of the acrobatic skills today.. What a shame Nadia Comanec’s performance on the beam in 1976 was left out.. I remember watching that and like Olga before her, that routine was an absolute game-changer..
I agree but I also would rather watch todays entertaining gymnastics than the same boring shows in the past. This “grace” is masks biases the judges have usually
To me, too...but what's even stranger is that for 2000 they chosed some other gymnasts instead the Romanians, who were so innovative and at their top back then...
Interesting how NONE of the famous Romanian girls, despite having given the name to at least a third of the figures, was considered representative for this collection.
At least for the year 2000 they should have picked one of the Romanian girls, as they were back then at the top of the gymnasts...( and, at least, Amanar and Milosovici gave their names to some elements...)
Yes, training and strength have changed gymnastics a lot over the years, but no one would be able to do half the moves today without the huge changes in the apparatus. Most notable is the incredibly bouncy floor. So bouncy that the gymnast actually bounces up from her bum to a standing position in the video. I'm sure the bouncy floor was intended for shock absorption to protect gymnasts, but the result is moves otherwise impossible. I think it's a bit ridiculous. Same thing with all the springs on vault takeoffs and on the vault itself. Most of the "artistic" dance moves on the floor and beam today look like high-speed hand flapping and body gyrations. Surely that can be improved. And I hate the big gaps between moves, especially on the floor. Its just tumble run from one corner to the next, reset, tumble run, reset, etc. At least in figure skating, the artistic element is still scored and the music and choreography are still key, even with huge advancements in technical moves and requirements.
I love your comparison to figureskating, as I was a competitive iceskater myself and now doing gymnastics. That's why I prefer those old gymnastics videos :)
This was such an interesting video! I feel like gymnastics today is much more interesting to watch! It is so amazing what women can do if given the opportunity. The older routines especially floor, vault and beam are something almost anyone could do but now Im just in awe of the athletes talent🤩
Hey ....where is years from 1972 to 2000 ? Romaninan gymnastics make a revolution in style and acrobation exercise...! Gymnastics is more than a beam...!
The waving arms all jerkily on beam always killed me 😂 And the floor, hardly anyone ever had movements to the music that flowed together, like back in the 90s before and after, era. It was choppy and didnt go with a beat or flow. Performance definitely lost value. Tumbling is awesome, but just moving arms and spinning around does not a gymnast make lol
I wish connections on beam were flowy like in the 60s more often, at least for the dance steps. I feel like it's all very robotic and blocky even on floors dance steps 😢 Like can we get more flowy steps and connections and that? For example the floor video from 65, the dancing is actual dancing not just some hand and arm movements that are super robotic and don't express much like I see VERY often (not always but probably the large majority of routines I see)
That were my thoughts too. But I guess I understand why that changed because the skills are so much harder you can't just get up on the beam and do them all, you need a certain preparing for it moment, which gives you that pause ... But yes I actually liked watching the older beams videos more than today's.
I don't agree with you. Back then were more like just ballet and we can see that in others places. Nowadays it's not robotic, it's more interesting and fun. In the past gymnastics were girls vibe, now it's for women!!
First decade of 2000s was ok. When male muscle appeared in the top US female, it had become unwatchable. Those of us familiar with decades of women in all sports + body building never looked like that, it was clear that at least microdosing with anabolic steroids had become involved. Who knows? Perhaps the PEDs also affect brains sufficiently to eliminate even the desire for flowing from move to move.
Korbut of 1972 is perfection - athleticism and grace combined.
Something about her personality came out in her routines, too. She was truly one of the greats.
She was like a little pixie. Apart from being a brilliant little gymnast she won the hearts of everyone with her charm and smile.
@@DaisyLee1963 Simply the great.
Korbut,drobna,ładna, pełna wdzięku i najlepsza
@@franceskronenwett3539mais de cinquenta anos depois estamos assistindo e admirando-a como uma das melhores !
In modern gymnastics it feels like the difficulty matters more than execution so we see more awkward looking or messy routines. If execution mattered more than difficulty it might be more visually appealing with fewer wobbles and step outs and pauses to focus between elements as athletes wouldn't push themselves to do acrobatics they couldn't do perfectly. But instead it's more about pushing the boundaries and developing physical strength. It's still an amazing sport and I'm in awe of the power of today's gymnasts but it feels like they've taken the "artistic" out of "artistic gymnastics".
I agree that the balance between execution and difficulty needs to be adjusted. As it is Simone can do insanely difficult routines that she never executes cleanly. She often makes massive blunders and still easily gets the highest score. If the execution was more highly valued she would have to dial back her acrobatics a bit and we would get a more beautiful routine albeit less extreme. This is an overcorrection of the 10 point system where difficulty didn't matter as long as certain required elements were done and provided no incentive for more impressive stunts.
It still have the artistic side. Modern gymnastics it is way more for women now, not kids
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Thank you for this compilation
They should change " arhtistic" with " acrobatic"...
the sixties and seventies routines are just beautiful bring back the artistry of gymnastics
Korbut was so graceful and fluid on the beam.Just beautiful to watch❤❤❤
I did gymnastics in the early 2000s, we weren’t a big club and we still focused on the old school way of gymnastics, execution over difficultly. All the children went to go to ballet lessons and incorporated ballet steps into the routine in time to the music. Most of the smaller clubs still had the old vaults too and the floor was just hard mats put down with no spring whatsoever. Just watching the Olympic artistic gymnastics today in some ways it’s like watching a different sport. The tumbles are much bigger/more showy, with dance steps just to link between the different moves and elements without just walking. It is the same in the beam, I appreciate the skill required and it’s still fantastic to watch, I know I never would’ve been able to those massive acrobatic elements they do now, but there is a special beauty in a perfectly done backwards walkover that eclipses the huge acrobatic elements for me. I know some people will say, if you want to watch dancing, go watch a dance, and modern dance these days actually combines a lot of acrobatic gymnastics moves, but without the execution that gymnastics is judged by, hence why it is unique and different. Dancing was and still should be an integral aspect of gymnastics routines, not just a way to get from A to B without any thought or rhythm.
I’m so glad to hear that there are still some that value musicality and rhythm in gymnastics. The same is true in figure skating. They’ve become nothing (we;;, not “nothing,” they’re incredible athletes to be sure, but-) nothing but acrobats stringing together impossible incredible feats on skates, but with zero attention to the music.
Now Kim Yu-na, did you ever watch her skating routines?? You’d appreciate her! She is true gold and so far beyond anyone else, because her technical skill so far surpasses that her ballet training and natural musicality float through. THAT is what makes her the queen of the ice.
Ironically that makes the older routines look sexier.
, I agree.
Ah I completely agree it is so true!!
Interesting post! I dislike the lack of rhythm on the floor exercises especially. Some highly decorated gymnasts, today, don't even move to the music. Movements can even feel perfunctory. (phoning it in, as if there's no focus on it). That wobbly wolf turn they do for difficulty points looks horrible.
The 60s was lovely to watch, but my fav goes to my girl Olga Korbut in the 70s! She was wonderful!!
Yes, Olga Korbut is still the Queen.
Top gymnast, in my opinion. Nadia Comeneci is my second favorite.
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It’s true Olga Korbut was a global phenomenon her grace transcended nations, cultures and ethnicity ❤️
There was ludmilla touresheva, and Nellie kim,they were good, and shaposhnikova
That 1972 bars routine was amazing!
There are a bunch of amazing routines in 1972. But the danger was so high in some moves, resulting in death of paralysis, that they had to change the rules
Olga Korbut. One of the best gymnasts of all time. She’d wipe the floor with this year’s Olympians.
@@kellyoleary4156I agree. Olga is simply fascinating to watch. If you notice, they show her in balance beam, uneven bars, and floor. That's how amazing she was. I don't even watch them today because they make today's gymnastics all about one person, it's not even a TEAM sport anymore. A simple Google search shows my point. It's so sad.
1972 was the best year for everything. I am truly impressed. It was the perfect mix of artistic stuff and gymnastics.
To be honest, I fail to see the artistic side in today's gymnastics. It is just difficult stuff to do, technical skill, kind of boring.
And by the way, the body of the gymnasts looked more, say, natural.
Olga Korbut (1972) would absolutely wipe the floor with the gymnasts at this year’s Olympics. She flies! So light and effortless, no heavy stomping or wobbles. Her feet are always perfectly placed. Olga and Nadia Comaneci are the greatest of all time in my opinion.
Different equipment the floor they use today may feel weird to Olga and Nadia today’s floor has more springs and bounce. Different times different scoring and equipment (technology)
@@shyredwallbut what they could have done with the equipment of today. We will never know but it is nice to imagine.
😂 yeah ok
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Yo creo Olga merecia los primeros 10
I miss seeing the beauty of gymnastics from the 1960's and 1970's. Someone, please, bring this back.
You mean when all the women were forced to be thin and had eating disorders?
If yr old commenting on ytube more power to you. If yr not, stop being silly. The majority of us want more difficulty power & precision. Nowadays there’s multiple sources of dance for “beauty” which I assume u mean
The 80s-90s for me... 😢
Most of what they did is banned...
Época de la guerra fría, se competía por algo más que medallas, se competía también por un sistema...
This is what I miss, the smooth elegance and lyrical gymnastic performances. I wish they would return to pretty flowing movements that are mesmerising to watch. Today, these look more dangerous and are so fast after pauses that it's like a collection of moves.
How can they judge that though? The dance moves are pretty subjective... It's nice to have some dance elements, it wouldn't be good without them but of course they look dangerous, they can't win without difficulty or be that interesting without difficulty.
Olga korbet was a wow to watch, so graceful 😊
Korbut 1972 will always be my gymnastics goddess. She was a creator and in my view the first 10.
The 1965 beam routine is gorgeous. She’s so talented
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I don’t think so. I found it boring and slow but it’s my opinion. I prefer today’s balance beam performances. It’s my opinion.
@@terrycarver1255 yes they are definitely more exciting now
The 1965 beam was so graceful
Putting a positive comment down here. Thank you for the effort you put into finding the clips, editing them, captioning them, and uploading the video. I loved it 😊
I agree. Whomever put this video together, I thank them.
I completely agree! This was a really fun video to watch!
That’s Olga Korbut in 1972. She was wonderful, so much more lyrical than today’s powerpacks.
And the uneven bars routine--still amazing 52 years later!
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She was my favorite of all time.. I was a six year old Polish girl who looked just like her, down to the pigtails, so I LOVED watch her, and she was Soo good so bendy, so fearless! They made some of her moves illegal they were so dangerous 😮
@@kristinaanderson8488- It was her smile. I was 11 while watching her and after every routine, she'd do that gymnast pose and her smile would light up her face. It was inspiring to watch someone do something so difficult, yet she made it look easy!
I prefer the athleticism of today.
The bars in 1936 was just elegant and stunning to me. The control of the slow, deliberate holds was an incredible feat of all body strength to me which, I guess, is exactly what the routine was suppose to show!!
Olga Korbut so graceful and beautiful to watch! Each to their own but personally I'm not nterested in displays of brute strength. I used to enjoy watching gymnastics back in the day, not anymore.
I loved watching Olga too, but no one would watch her today. Possibly the sport would be eliminated if gymnasts still performed this way.
Je suis entièrement d'accord avec vous
I love the concept of this video and the tidbits of information you've added but skipping the '80s (and '90s) does a great disservice to the whole idea. The '80s especially is the most innovative, creative and fun decade to watch! There's a huge difference between the gymnastics of the '70s and of the '80s. They still had artistry, form and beautiful coreophraphies on floor and beam but they also had big skills on all events, some of which are now banned because they're too dangerous. The vault was forever changed by Yurchenko, on bars they had so many incredibly new skills that are still used today (the Shaposhnikova for example) on top of beautifully weird mounts and dismounts, on floor they had back to back tumbling, Silivas did a double double for the first time, and the coreos were always so fun to watch. They had so much originality that is now almost completely lost. You can't have a video on the evolution of gymnastics without the '80s.
Agree with you. Specially at the floor, in the 80's, some gymnast managed to do double vaults without being " helped" by the floor itself...
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I’m gonna have to look up some ‘80s gymnastics vids now. (I was born in ‘91.)
While I agree with your comments about how awesome gymnastics were during the 1970s-1990s, I don't think this video cared a hoot about individuals through the years. Instead, it seemed to have a very narrow focus showing general changes through the decades. Some were subtle, others blatent. And it's ok to have a narrow focus, especially when you don't want to create a 692-hour video! Because that's what it would take to show the progression of the sport and all the people involved and on and on. Another thought is that perhaps the filmmaker might have only been able to get film from certain eras to use in hiss video. I would think networks own their film, and can't see why they wouldn't allow it to be used, but you never know. Anyway, it would be great if the filmaker made another compare-contrast video featuring JUST the 1970s-1990s era. That would be so cool to watch. He could make it into a series! It'd sure watch it.
@@angiec1960too Yes, I agree! It's only a short video, impossible to show every development and every significant gymnast. It could be an hour longer and someone would still be disappointed that their favorite or someone important from their country wasn't featured. So many amazing gymnasts over the years!
I love the older videos & seeing how routines & athletes have evolved over time. The uneven bars always blow me away.
1972 was my favorite to watch.
The amazing skills of Olga Korbut. I loved watching her - most especially on the asymmetric bars - she was incredible!
@@sallyhay3369my 69.yo sister still has her 1972 olga korbut posters in her workout room jn her house. She works out to Olga's music routines.
@@sallyhay3369она тогда была влюблена в тренера, поэтому сильно мотивирована
@@sallyhay3369 the '72 balance beam was something really special too
Nothing compares to the 1988
This is so interesting. It almost feels like two different sports. I know nothing about gymnastics and don’t really have the terminology to describe it. All I can say is the 60 and 70s gymnasts were so flexible and elegant. They really had style and grace. I can see in the 2000s where the gymnasts seem to really combine the two. By the 2020s, their athletic skill is amazing. I always wondered, having only seen modern gymnastics, why they bother with what I see as the “dance” elements because it usually looks so robotic and ridiculous on these athletes. The music is usually irrelevant too because it could be any song because the movements don’t look timed to it at all. Now it makes sense that those elements are a holdover from when gymnastics looked very different. I’m torn on what to think. I truly respect the athleticism and power of today’s gymnasts but I love how beautiful the old style gymnasts look performing their routines as well. They’re actually combining dance elements meaningfully with acrobatic skills. I guess if you’re into the beauty side, there’s rhythmic gymnastics but part of me would like to see there be something in the middle that combines artistry along with athletics, and then a form more like men’s that would cut out all of the dancing stuff and let the woman just compete. I think there are some great gymnasts today that would shine if they didn’t have to add some of those dance elements. They don’t look good doing it and it takes away from their skill. We also have some gymnasts that are just so graceful and flowy that lack the power of some of the top gymnasts but as an untrained eye, their routines actually look better and more put together to me. It would be nice if each group had a place to shine.
Couldn't agree more; you captured everything i was thinking. I recently heard a retired semi-pro gymnast friend depreciate Simone's performance this year in favor of Suni Lee's. She mentioned all of the above regarding the graceful, artistic "ballet" components of past gymnastic routines, but also recognized Simone for the powerhouse that she is (she just prefers the look of the former better). I agree it would be nice if there could be two separate events where the graceful, ballet-like routines return while saving the power gymnastic competition for those are built best to succeed there without any frills. Agreed, both talents should shine.
College gymnastics is much more enjoyable to watch for this reason specifically
They do dance elements just because its compulsory. They look so forced.
AGREED!!!❤
They can call it the technical gymnastics. So there would be three events. Technical Gymnastics, Rhythmic Gymnastics, and Artistic Gymnastics.
Nadia and Olga were super elegant. No hard feelings towards Simone Biles, but for me Nadia and Olga will always be the very very best.😊
Grace, adorability, aura, skills, artistry... I'm all for old school Olympics gymnastics.
If you showed people from the olga and nadia era todays gymnastics, they would probably be more amazed and more excited to watch it rather than watch the same moves over and over again. Sorry something called competition exists nowadays😂 and filters out the biases
Totally agree. Biles is an amazing Acrobat, but she definitely does not have the feminine grace of Olga and Nadia
Different gymnastics, now focused on difficulty, acrobacy, strength, not artistry as before. It is not that today's gymnasts are not graceful or "femenine". It is only that they are not asked to focus on that.
@@jeniferallan6693Biles is a tiny bodybuilder with no grace. Saw videos of Nadia and Olga and they were amazing.
This is so awesome. After watching the 2024 Olympians, who have clearly decided that physics has no place in gymnastics, as those women are matrix-breaking masters of space and time, I was trying to explain how much gymnastics has changed. This is a wonderful compilation. I hope you got really good marks!
Why on earth wasn't Nadia on 76 in this video?
@@lisawaller7620what?
@@wendyleeconnelly2939 Nadia Comaneci, the first female gymnast to get perfect 10.
Owwwww 70’s was just a dream to watch ❤❤❤❤
On a tendance à oublier a quel point Olga Korbut a complétement révolutionné la discipline.... Aujourd'hui a chaque fois que je regarde ses prestations je tremble tellement les risques qu'elle prenait étaient hallucinants .... Des mouvements ont porté son nom, certains sont aujourd'hui interdits et a juste titre... Mais son nom est beaucoup moins reconnu que Nadia Comaneci donc c'est super de l'avoir mise elle a l'honneur plutôt que Nadia 👍
Да, Ольга Корбут - легенда гимнастики👍
Seuls les ignorants ne connaissent pas Kurbut qui était bien meilleure que Comaneci, mais les USA ont mis Comaneci devant la scène pour détruire la domination soviétique.
Interesting to see the passage of eras and their adaptation. Before girls were like ballerinas, today to do what they do are like Amazons.
As an actual ballet dancer, these are two different things. Ballet is more subjective therefore it is not considered so much a sport but gymnastics is. Only difficulty and execution can actually be judged objectively. If you want more grace, watch ballet. If you want power, watch gymnastics.
@@PoppyPostsVideos these older videos show the glory that used to be…
And if you ever watched figure skating… Kim Yu-na … the Queen of the Ice, gold-medalist athlete…the Margot Fonteyn of ice skating. You see what ice skating (and gymnastics) *should* look like- if we still valued art and grace and beauty as we ought… as much as we value athletic, strength, tricks and acrobatics. I can’t stomach watching the rest of them anymore. And now I see it in gymnastics.
Какие же эстетически прекрасные выступления 1965 и 1972 годов! Это советская школа? Мне кажется -да. Великолепно! ❤❤❤
i like it slowly like in 1965 to 1972, because its elegant to watch they are more comfortable and more safe to the athlete...
For sure… no one comprehends what strength slow control requires! A metaphor for other aspects of life, too.
This is a wonderful depiction of the evolution of not only women's gymnastics but also the apparatus. Thank you 😊
Да, кстати, тоже заметила
Lovely video, thank you for sharing! I think Olga Korbut will always be my favorite.
I can tell by the comments that people would love for you to do a longer video and cover more years, as well as please do give us the names of the people who you include. I found this to be fascinating and I love the Irish music you used.
The music is beautiful! ❤
Nadia la chica de 14 años,que conquistó,las olimpiadas del 76, y olga increible ejecusiones
i especially appreciated your commentary, it was interesting that some of it was originally military-oriented.
Выступление на бревне 1965 завораживает. Красота, грация.
Ольга Корбут - потрясающе. Легенда.
Современные брусья тоже хороши 👍 А вот современный ковер нет.
1972- OMG O.O She's a Legend!
I love watching old style beam and bar!!!
I, too studied the art of gymnastics. I studied /practiced at Olga Korbit’s gym in which my specialty is the balance beam. The bars were my hardest to compete in. 4:00
Would have been nice if you'd named all the gymnasts featured. I recognized Olga Korbut and the current crew. Who was the girl from 1965?
Thank you so much for making this video! As i watch the 2024 olympics, I am making comparisons to earlier eras and the "young pups" don't understand. And, as another person commented, the 80's really did have a nice balance between artistry and acrobatics.
Pra mim Olga Korbut sempre será a melhor
Wow the 1960’s one could’ve been a warm-up for the Olympic gymnasts now!
yes, but if you read the captions, it isn't that it's easier but there's more and less value on different elements, plus shifts for safety and execution.
Between 1972 and 2000 there were no competitions? It was the PEAK of ELEGANCE in gymnastics!
Lord of the Dance! Haven't heard this in ages!
Great video, thank you.
Bravo Olga👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🎉🎉🎉🎉!!!!!
It's interesting to see how the advancements in materials technology spurred the complexity of the routines.
Watching Nadia perform the beam in 1976 was eye opening. Notice there really weren't any balance checks. Olga in '72 as well. Yes it definitely has changed but not all of it for the better. The size of the gymnasts nowadays is so muscular it's crazy to even try to compare.
Cutting out entire decades misses a bunch of changes. For a retrospective, that's an odd choice.
HOW AMAZING WOULD IT BE to see our gymnasts today perform the routines from the beginning times..???!!!💜
That would be a great idea--a "Star Gymnast Retro Tour" where today's greatest gymnast perform the exact same medal-winning routines of the past, particularly those in the 70s, which required incredible flexibility and so much grace and elegance. It would really be fascinating! I'd go!
So long as they were judged exactly the same way.. it would be very interesting!
@@lindanussbaum-richman4338 There is a video where three floor routines of the gymnasts's from the 80's are judged according to nowadays rules...And, guess what, the score from nowadays is very close to the score they got backthen...
In the earlier years, gymnastics was simple, slightly complex and oh so beautiful😍
Wow!!! The lady in 1936's the uneven bars routine was tougher.😮😮😮😮
Korbut was the true goat 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐of my generation, watching it in 1972 as an 11-year-old girl I was so amazed by her so she will always be number one to me and I began following gymnastics because it was just so beautiful and now as I just finished watching the years Olympics, something is definitely missing and I learned more in your short video today. Thank you for explaining everything not just how showing how everything changed but spelling it out and telling us.
I really appreciate that. I hope that the true artistry in gymnastics isn’t gone forever so that we don’t have to just see muscle building high acrobatics when those that watched years ago know how truly beautiful the sport of gymnastics can be.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
One thing I see is that the old school Routines were more interesting. Like they had more style. We maybe lost that for more complexity. They were like perfect. But one would argue we could do them perfect too now. But still I see a graceful dunk here. Versus a complex less gorgeous one!!! It's still about looks.
Antes, o equilíbrio, a elasticidade e a graciosidade eram os principais! Como no ballet!
Hoje, a rapidez na execução, parece ser o primordial
I remember they compulsory rounds. All having the same routines/skills and thw floor had the same music. They were able to individualize while doing the same moves competitor after competitor. Maybe if they brought them back, but untelevised, we could see the extra fluidity we saw in the days of old. Then again, they ARE the days of old and the changes are forever.
I like watching 40s-60s gymnastics best personally especially uneven bars
I prefer the old way of continuous motion. The pauses are distracting.
The hardest discipline;
Nadia Cominech was wonderfully talented an naturally gifted an her seemingless musicality, rhythm and flow was near unmatched unless by the Korbuts, Kims etc
Todays Artists really need t do ' expressive dance' more instead of just seemingly endless flip-flopping f the majority of their routines
I agre, Nadia was a senasation on all 4 areas, inexplicable how she does not get a mention So Please put her centre stage with Olga Korbut who between them made women's gymnastics a serious competitive sport
What do u think of Nellie Kim?
I wish we had more footage from the earlier games. But this is excellent!
I love the gymnasrics of
Veo que a lo largo de los años no solo se mejoró tecnina si no tambien entrenamientos y alimentacion, el cuerpo de cada una de ellas si notan es distinto! Es increíble como el deporte crece cada año
In the past it looked more like an art and less like a competition. Much more impressive
It's so funny watching the original vaults. They literally just did a jump and pose haha
At least none of them did what I did once. I was just practicing a simple forward handspring flip over the horse, but didn't get quite enough oomph on the takeoff. Instead of flipping over, I stalled out in a handstand on the horse, and was stuck that way laughing at myself. I finally kicked my feet enough to complete the flip, but by that point it looked more like a tree falling over. Ridiculous.
They were pioneers which is impressive by itself
Why didn't you show Nadia Comaneci at the uneven bars??, It was ground breaking and she got the highest points ever.
@@TamaraKanethat wasn’t her.
GYMNASTICS BACK IN THE 70'S WAS MORE GRACEFUL AND MORE BEAUTIFUL.
It was also harder to evaluate and vulnerable to personal bias by judges...both intentional and intentional.
And boring. Sorry, but Simone is vastly more impressive than Nadia.
@@aae1972SIMONE FORÇA BRUTA E FLEXIBILIDADE.
@@aae1972 Amen. It's like watching ballet on a beam and a dance show on floor
@@aae1972
No, Simone parece robot sin gracia, sin delicadeza, sin sutileza, perdón pero parece que quisiera romper los aparatos o el piso de tanta fuerza. Lo siento se ve grotesca.
The music reminds me of the movie Titanic ..... after Jack asks Rose if she wants to 'go to a REAL party'! I love this compilation-- to see how much the styles & routines have changed over the years.
ВОТ ТАКАЯ ДОЛЖНА БЫТЬ ГИМНАСТИКА,ОНА НАСТОЯЩАЯ!
If you showed people from the olga and nadia era todays gymnastics, they would probably be more amazed and more excited to watch it rather than watch the same moves over and over again. Sorry something called competition exists nowadays😂 and filters out the biases
Las mejores escuelas son y serán la escuela Rusa y Rumana. Ahora ya es mas acrobacia y músculos. Se ha perdido la elegancia, plasticidad y el ballet.
Amazing. Humans have fantastic bodies. Thank you for compiling this very interesting video
Olga was fabulous, I love her presentation, grace and dance skills - she makes the muscle-bound power gymnasts of today look very untidy in execution. I hate the way today’s gymnasts wave their arms about too.. Olga used her arms & hands beautifully. I admire the power and bravery of the acrobatic skills today.. What a shame Nadia Comanec’s performance on the beam in 1976 was left out.. I remember watching that and like Olga before her, that routine was an absolute game-changer..
The olympics has become so dark now. Now every team looks like an inner city youth rally.
@@musclemanawesomeness5550umm, eww.
1965 & 1972 beautiful and gracia 🎉🎉🎉
Back then, it was beautiful, artistic, dance-life, graceful, and elegant. Now it's fast and powerful and very robotic.
Back then it was also boring and very prone to biases😮
Like everything in life. Faster, better, higher, stronger. Nice video. 💚
Loved the whole presentation and choice of music. Excellent collection and narrative 💯⭐
Помним и любим нашу великую землячку Ольгу Корбут
Excellent point about the hand guards! Thank you for such a beautiful video!
Le ginnaste di una volta avessero l attrezzatura che c'è oggi sarebbero tutte olimpioniche...oggi manca la grazia...
I agree but I also would rather watch todays entertaining gymnastics than the same boring shows in the past. This “grace” is masks biases the judges have usually
Me parece extraño mostrar la evolución de la gimnasia y no tener imágenes de Nadia Comăneci.
To me, too...but what's even stranger is that for 2000 they chosed some other gymnasts instead the Romanians, who were so innovative and at their top back then...
Totalmente de acuerdo!
Para mi sin Vera Caslavska y Nadia Comaneci no esta bien esta evolución
Interesting how NONE of the famous Romanian girls, despite having given the name to at least a third of the figures, was considered representative for this collection.
At least for the year 2000 they should have picked one of the Romanian girls, as they were back then at the top of the gymnasts...( and, at least, Amanar and Milosovici gave their names to some elements...)
In fairness, the description says it was a school project for their German class so it seems to have a primary focus on German athletes :)
Very interesting, thank you for sharing
it peaked at 1972, a perfect blend of difficulty and artistry, not it's just difficulty
Very cool videos, also LOVED the music!!!!!
thanks! music choices are always hard :)
Yes, training and strength have changed gymnastics a lot over the years, but no one would be able to do half the moves today without the huge changes in the apparatus. Most notable is the incredibly bouncy floor. So bouncy that the gymnast actually bounces up from her bum to a standing position in the video. I'm sure the bouncy floor was intended for shock absorption to protect gymnasts, but the result is moves otherwise impossible. I think it's a bit ridiculous. Same thing with all the springs on vault takeoffs and on the vault itself.
Most of the "artistic" dance moves on the floor and beam today look like high-speed hand flapping and body gyrations. Surely that can be improved. And I hate the big gaps between moves, especially on the floor. Its just tumble run from one corner to the next, reset, tumble run, reset, etc.
At least in figure skating, the artistic element is still scored and the music and choreography are still key, even with huge advancements in technical moves and requirements.
I love your comparison to figureskating, as I was a competitive iceskater myself and now doing gymnastics. That's why I prefer those old gymnastics videos :)
This was such an interesting video! I feel like gymnastics today is much more interesting to watch! It is so amazing what women can do if given the opportunity. The older routines especially floor, vault and beam are something almost anyone could do but now Im just in awe of the athletes talent🤩
Between 1972 and 2000 ,there were no competitions?
It was the peak of elegance in gymnastics!
Hey ....where is years from 1972 to 2000 ? Romaninan gymnastics make a revolution in style and acrobation exercise...! Gymnastics is more than a beam...!
I miss Nadia Comaneci!
Outstanding compilation.
Fantastic video! Enjoyed the older footage. Huge changes!
La gymnastique des années 30 en compétition était du même niveau que celle que nous faisions au collège dans les années 70/80.
The waving arms all jerkily on beam always killed me 😂
And the floor, hardly anyone ever had movements to the music that flowed together, like back in the 90s before and after, era. It was choppy and didnt go with a beat or flow. Performance definitely lost value. Tumbling is awesome, but just moving arms and spinning around does not a gymnast make lol
Nadia Comāneci 1976 Montreal.
The perfect 10 !!!
I wish connections on beam were flowy like in the 60s more often, at least for the dance steps. I feel like it's all very robotic and blocky even on floors dance steps 😢 Like can we get more flowy steps and connections and that?
For example the floor video from 65, the dancing is actual dancing not just some hand and arm movements that are super robotic and don't express much like I see VERY often (not always but probably the large majority of routines I see)
That were my thoughts too. But I guess I understand why that changed because the skills are so much harder you can't just get up on the beam and do them all, you need a certain preparing for it moment, which gives you that pause ... But yes I actually liked watching the older beams videos more than today's.
It changed because Compulsories are gone, so the coaches don't even bother to have their athletes take dance class.
With you on that one.
I don't agree with you. Back then were more like just ballet and we can see that in others places. Nowadays it's not robotic, it's more interesting and fun. In the past gymnastics were girls vibe, now it's for women!!
First decade of 2000s was ok. When male muscle appeared in the top US female, it had become unwatchable.
Those of us familiar with decades of women in all sports + body building never looked like that, it was clear that at least microdosing with anabolic steroids had become involved.
Who knows? Perhaps the PEDs also affect brains sufficiently to eliminate even the desire for flowing from move to move.
Nossa... Parece que eu gostei mais dos antigos 😮😮❤
Корбут никто не переплюнул! Легенда!!! 🤩
コルブトの段違い平行棒は今見ても凄い！！😮
バイルスの床は超高速で、見る者を圧倒！！
ちなみに、コマネチがいない😅
シリバス、シシュノワ、ボギンスカヤ、オノディ、リューキンもいない😂
I love to watch Olga Korbut on bars. She was phenomenal!!! 😮
Из всех больше всего понравилась девочка из 72 года: талант, грация, просто идеал
Конечно, она наша русская Ольга Корбут😂
When did the beam change from being 8cm wide to 10 cm?
Fabuleux !! merci !
Very interesting! We've come a long way, baby!