TMNT: Trans-Dimensional Turtles - Phelous
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- I go over what worked about the crossover between the 2012 and 1987 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and compare it to Turtles Forever.
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#TMNT #TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles
That meta joke just made me imagine Rob Pulsen talking to himself in a recording booth. And hey they finally got Gilbert Gottfried to voice a character that wasn't a bird.
+Definitely Catherine voiced an actual person on Fairly Odd Parents!
He did the char before (season two finale) and Rob's quite good at that. I recorded a video of him having Jack Fenton encounter Technes and the Box Ghost. When I upload that I hope someone animates it.
+Goleon and he did a horse in a family guy episode
OH WELL, AT LEAST HE TRIED!
TURTLES LOSE TO BIRDS WITH HONOR!
Not having 87 Raf and 2012 Don acknowlege their shared voice actor would've been a crime.
i didnt even notice that until i saw this special
i know
i know
im an idiot
The joke would be too obvious, but lo and behold they did that anyway.
Lol
@@Benjamillion Not
@@godzpeedx7ii75 Only it was.
It's so awesome to see Phelous happy!!!!! I love it, his happiness is infectious I'm smiling from ear to ear watching this.
@Shawn Payne awww ☺️ thank you
Adiaha Alexander You’re welcome
Makes me glad that Phelous enjoys the current TMNT
I feel like "don't be petty towards one series" should be Rule #1 of any crossover ever.
Glad this one thrived not only on that regard but in a whole bunch of others as well. Getting the original actors after 25 years is a MASSIVE bonus.
And yes, what everyone else said. Happy Phelous is a rare gem to be appreciated.
Turtles Forever wasn't being petty though, that's what Phelous was dead wrong about, hell the original turtles actually saved the day with their exploding throwing stars.
2012 Raphael: Where the heck did you get pizza?
1987 Raphael: Gimme a break!
The References!
It's no surprise that Trans-Dimensional Turtles was more of an homage and less of a parody than Turtles Forever. Peter Laird - one of the original co-creators of the Turtles - had a lot of influence over the 2003 series (approving each script), and he hated the original 1987 cartoon. Also, as much as I love the 2K3 series, one of its weak points was humor; while some lines were clever, very few were as likely to elicit guffaws as other incarnations of the turtles. Mikey's constant pop culture references could easily get a bit old, and some jokes were just awful, and not in the fun groany way (Splinter's closing joke at the end of the Season 6 episode "Timing is Everything" is so terrible, it actually makes me as angry as Peter Laird when he hears the words "Venus DeMilo"). Is it any surprise, then, that they couldn't handle the humor of the 1987 Turtles all that well?
However, to Turtles Forever's credit, it does do SOME things well. The 1987 characters look way better in TF than they do in the 2D segments of TDT. They did a great job of matching not only character designs, but backgrounds and props as well (Shredder's first scene is in a room ripped straight from the first episode of the 1987 cartoon, and that sniffing device was from Lotus Blossom's first episode). Some aspects of the humor were spot on, with Shredder and Krang keeping their "old married couple" chemistry, Raphael's use of the "I resemble that remark" punchline (used a couple of times in the series), and they made better use of the 1987 characters' penchant for puns than the new TDT.
In the end, while my feelings on Turtles Forever are mixed, but leaning towards positive, Trans-Dimensional Turtles was good OVERALL. Sorry, 2K3... but the things that made you a great series also made you ill-equipped to handle this kind of a crossover.
+Michael Prymula - Same here. A big reason 2k3 Mikey is my fav version of Mikey is due to how funny he is and I love 2k3 Raph a lot.
+Michael Prymula where the 2003 series in this , it wouldve been awesome
I don't think so, it was a movie length special, it wasn't clearly as rushed as this was. The only good bit of humor was the Megan Fox joke.
Plus it took way more of a shit on the old show than Turtles Forever did, it retconed Krang's origin and had him sent to the 80's continuity as a punishment!
trustno173 Actually in the original series, Krang had said that he'd lost his old body when "they banished me to this miserable mudball!" But throughout the series, it was never said WHO banished Krang. This actually offers an explanation as to how Krang got to the 80s Turtles' universe that ties into the original series' canon pretty well.
Still, I can see how it made Krang look a bit dumber than usual, and even the Turtles were a little sillier than they used to be, but at least this time around, the Turtles weren't crying at danger, laughing at every joke, and giving everyone noogies.
TheHeroesOfCRASH
It's been a while since I've seen Turtles Forever but I'm pretty certain they never cried, laughed at every joke, or gave anyone noogies.
I don't even like the old turtles, I find them unbearable and insufferable and the only good thing to ever come from them was the first movie so I think TF wasn't making enough fun of them. It came off more as an affectionate parody there but here they directly insulted the old show; they show a fight between the old turtles and Krang while the new ones watch and comment how lame it is and they do the pizza into the camera thing from the old intro and 2012 Raph has to save old Raph before the robot can recover, seriously I find it weird how Turtles Forever gets bashed by some fans while this gets praised.
Missed joke : The 87's, upon seeing Sub-Prime :
Donatello : So, why is this guy wearing a Barbie Make-Up Irma head?
Also, both versions :
(The 87's see the other show's Casey)
Raphael : It's the PSYCHO!
(They pile on until the confusion is cleared up)
Rob Morris Barbie is a trademark of Mattel so....
The 2012 Turtles show is a love letter to everything Ninja Turtles. Even Michael Bay gets a nod here and there.
Don't you dare mention him again! He's evil
No, Megan Fox!
- Kraang Sub Prime, 2016
ztslovebird If you want to really get into it, there is a little easter egg that's a reference to the TMNT table top rpg that came out before the movie.
But do they reference Next Mutation?
There is a green lady painted on the side of the Party Wagon with the name Venus on there, so I guess that counts
This crossover was really a relief. I couldn't stop smiling through the whole episode. Glad you also liked it.
Michelangelo never used the grappling hook in Hero Turtles, the BBC had taken it off the air long before then!
+Larry Bundy Jr So you are telling me they only aired Seasons 1-3 there? I grew up in Israel so we got the American version, so everything aired here, even the Red Sky seasons.
+Larry Bundy Jr Wow. I'd always heard that they got rid of the nunchucks so they wouldn't have to cut them out in the UK. So the whole exercise turned out to be completely pointless.
*****
Not even that, just the first season.
+Larry Bundy Jr uk don't even get the first five episodes doing bbc run, origin story was told during the episode where splinter lost his memory and leonardo, michelangelo and donatello telling him that for him to remember, bbc only run the second and third season only, the last episode i seen is the technodrome sent back to dimension X by military missile/rocket
Larry Bundy Jr Why??
"Kraang Subprime?!"
"No, Megan Fox."
Classic.
I was growing up with the 2012 TMNT and I loved this show.
They could also use Jim Cummings as shredder.. He played him very well in the 80s
+Martha Schwartz Yes. Jim Cummings. James Avery died, but you still got Jim Cummings.
that what they did 2nd time 87 turtles come to 2012 turtle's world
They also could have use Townsend Coleman because he also voice Shredder in Season 7 of the cartoon.
@@smoothst9303 He was Kraang once and have regret it ever since.
best line in the episode
87 leo:"wow! that was really... VIOLENT!"
Hey Phelous, can we expect a review of the 2012 TMNT series some time? I'm wondering if you would want to do it some time soon, or wait until the series is officially over.
That's going to take while, TMNT (2012) isn't done with it's 4th season and is already planned for a 5th season!
I watched this and one of the Michelangelos where like “ KRANG SUB PRIME?!” and krang said “NO MEGAN FOX” that crap was funny 😆
Nope stop
I love this crossover and it’s great to see the real ‘87 turtles again not those mean-spirited babyish parodies of them from Turtles Forever.
Facts
Well after this video I want to see top 20 Dumbest TMNT 2003 moments :P
+BladeBlurX Gee, I wonder what #1 will be...?
+ZC-Infinity every time "what the shell" has been said.
+BladeBlurX Probably not as many as the 87 show.
oz pardo No
Santoryu90 why not?
Happy Phelous is happy :3
+Annausagi2 Quite a rarity, ain't it?
Definitely, Blade.
This has got to be the most genuinely happy I've seen Phelan in ages. I'm glad for him.
agree. taking the 87 turtles more seriously and true to the show including the actual design and actual voices makes a big difference
I love how happy Phelan is in this one.
so if the 87 turtles are taller than the 2012 Turtles then the 2003 Turtles must be gigantic as they towered over the 87 Turtles
Not
All Turtles Forever had going for it was the animation and the extended run time. Other than that, this episode shows us how a crossover should be done with these guys. It's two worlds crossing paths. Not 80 minutes of, "The old show sucks, look how much better the new one is. Isn't it awesome how the new show takes things seriously unlike the old show? Man, isn't this the best crossover ever!?"
If your going to pay tribute to a show and their fanbase, DON'T treat them like shit that should be ashamed of what they love.
Oh, the new show makes fun of the old series, sure. But here's the difference, in TMNT Forever, it was CONSTANT and the classic turtles just took it like they didn't care.
This episode on the other hand, when 2012 Raph makes fun of them, classic Raph reminds us of his cool but rude attitude by throwing insults of his own when talking about the impostors... "I'm sorry, did I say 'Impostors'? I meant, 'TURTLES'."
Another thing I loved, the 87 turtles refereed to the others by their full names... like in the original show. It's nice to see little nods like that.
+Stephendw The thing is, in TMNT Forever the jokes at the old series got to the point that it began to get more mean spirited, I mean the claim that Technodrome had a poor technology and the Turtles not able to lift sewer covers and all of that was just way too much. Besides, no jokes were played on the new TMNT which made it feel like they were just salty and trying to overly much push their new product, that was the impression I got from watching the special.
+Drbigt let's plays
One thing that really got annoying was even when the 87 Turtles pulled through, the 2003 turtles still had to insult them in some way. Leo calls their Turtle Van "Not half bad!" and Raph retorts, "Not half good, either." The 87 Turtles present their weapons to take on the bad guys, Raph gives them crap, "What, was your clown car out for repair?" They give the classic team shit for shouting "Turtle Power!" like it's the stupidest thing, but no one bats an eye when they spew out "It's ninja time!" or "What the shell this," and "What the shell that!"
03 Donnie chastises 87 Donnie's portal beam idea and belittles him over how he goes about inventing. Well, 87 Donnie proves the other wrong and... nothing. It goes on ignored because the writers can't have their favorite Turtles admit they were wrong.
In fact... I find kind of funny, in order to make their 03 Turtles cooler by comparison, the writers had to dumb down the originals and made sure never to paint them in any positive light while constantly glorifying their favorite Turtles. Comes off as petty, really.
@@Jesterclown17 Definitely!!
@@DrBigt Not
@@DrBigt False
You convinced me to try this show out. So cool.
It's nice to see a positive atmosphere here. :)
Seeing Phelous happy is just we all need to be happy as well. :)
Would be cool if the 2003 cast met up with the 2012 ones in another crossover.
Fun fact: the animators of the 2003 series also worked on The Boondocks.
+Roman Spork I reckon that if that happened, the 2003 turtles would start out seeing the 2012 turtles as kids seeing as they look younger than previous turtle incarnations and act like real teenagers. It could lead to an interesting dynamic with the 2003 turtles being over protective until the 2012 turtles prove themselves.
KoshVader I would love to see that
That's interesting
@@KoshVader no
@@godzpeedx7ii75 To quote Katsuki Bakugo,
"Take a swan dive off a roof and prav you aren't a shitty person in your next life".
I'm so glad you gave the 2003 turtles a second chance after washing the tasted of turtles forever out of your mouth. Also glad you like the Nick series
Wait a minute, wait a minute... you’re saying that it’s a good thing to show our classic heroes in a positive light, while still using humor to playfully tease the classic as part of the loving tribute? Gee, Lucasfilm seems to think it’s best to shit on the classic heroes.
Because TMNT is always about different versions of the SAME characters, while Star Wars bothered making new characters all in the same universe. That's the difference.
10:32 Holy shit, it's Danny Sexbang
Oh, my God, it totally IS! What was he doing in New York, I wonder?
zhazha23
Sexy Jew stuff, most likely
oh man! I am definitely going to have to watch this episode!. I used to watch the 2003 series and really enjoyed it but absolutely hated the rather spiteful nature of the crossover. It was like they wanted to show just how 'better' and 'superior' the 2003 turtles were.
THIS series version looks like they did much more justice and paid far more respect to the original series!. and I am ecstatic to hear they will be doing another episode with Bebop and Rocksteady in.
You know what, if the 2003 one doesn't get mentioned in the next crossover episode, then I see that as a form of Karma, for the way they treated the characters in their crossover.
I like that Kevin Michael Richardson is voicing '87 Shredder in the next crossover since he can do some good vocal imitations. However, didn't Jim Cummings occasionally fill in for James Avery when he was unavailable in the '87 series? I wonder if the creators of the 2012 show considered getting him to voice '87 Shredder.
+MrTopTenList You know, I thought the same thing myself.
***** Hm, interesting. I didn't know that. Well, if that's the case, I can't imagine they didn't consider either option, there must of been some behind the scenes reason for it, maybe.
I know, right? They should've at-least considered Jim Cummins (despite the fact I'm totally okay with Kevin voicing 80's Shredder). :)
MrTopTenList Jim Cummings doesn't seem to get enough love these days.
Jim Cummings was the best Shredder replacement on the original series
Turtles Forever was just a shitfest as a whole. It does suck being a fan of the 87 Turtles who also liked the 03 Turtles and finally seeing Turtles Forever only to have it shit all over the 80s cartoon. It was really a disappointing anniversary for any long standing Turtles fan. Far as I'm concerned; that movie does not exist.
+Big Mouth Smurf
Couldn't have said it better myself.
I consider Turtles Forever to be a nightmare that one of the '03 Turtles had (in which he dreamt that he and his brothers were douchier and met a braindead mockery of a Turtles team from another dimension).
+Big Mouth Smurf It still exist. Just try to avoid it.
+Typanoid Making the old Turtles look like idiots. What were the writers thinking?
They weren't - they were just being spiteful and failed to consider how much being spiteful towards an old show with a large fanbase would backfire (make the old fanbase avoid the newer '03 show).
Tommy Diaz-Millan alternate versions of the 1987 turtles
When the Donnies entered the Prime Turtles' dimention and they just stayed in their original form (2012 is 3D and 1987 is 2D) It was very clever from the creators because from this comic the turtles were born.
It's like a family where each kid looks similar to their parents but each of them is different in his way.
So when the Donnies entered the comic dimention it was like kids visiting their parents.
To be more clear: I think it's a nice way of the creators to say 'Thanks' to the comic for creating the turtles, keeping the Donnies in how they originally suppose to look in their serieses and NOT changing them into comics as well was their way to show that the comics are one of the kind and all of these reincarnations can't beat them but they can help keep their stories alive.
Not
Yeah it’s pretty cool
@@firestrikeriii5043 oh great MORE trolls🤦♀️
Oh man I really need to see this...and I hope that if they make a sequel they can include the 2003 TMNT as well as the originals from the comics! :)
I know at least Michael Sinterniklaas and Sam Riegel have worked out of LA for a while, though I don't know if they've joined the union or how big a thing it would be getting non-union actors on a union show. Hopefully they can pull off a 3 way crossover at some point.
haha, 4kids. the company that butchered the crap out of yugioh. that explains the voice of yugi being leonardo in that movie, and the fact the butchered they crap out of the 87 turtles.
You don’t want to do with shows that are 4kids related?
Whats this? Phelous genuinely happy in a review? I thought i'd never see the day!
As someone else pointed out, a big reason why Turtles Forever took a ton of potshots at the 87 Turtles is because Peter Laird was more heavily involved in the 2003 series, and he hates the 1987 show. Kevin Eastman meanwhile has said he's fine with the 1987 show because it helped bring TMNT into the mainstream.
Also while Laird was involved with the 2003 series, Eastman wasn't as they had split at the time due to Eastman wanting to move on to other projects. However now it's the other way around, Laird pretty much retired from TMNT after Turtles Forever, while Eastman returned to TMNT by acting as a writer on some new comics starting in 2011, and he works as an adviser on the 2012 series.
I loved the second crossover. It may have not been the best way to end 2012 TNMT, but it was glorious anyway. I loved drunk Shredder and the interactions between Bepop and Rocksteady
I think more episodes were released after it.
@@kimifw58 True, as there were episodes like the Mutant Wasteland arc, which was the last episodes to be produced, and the Monster arc. Raphael: Mutant Wasteland was planned to be the series finale by Ciro Neil since it was set in an alternate universe that would not alter the timeline of the main show, but Nickelodeon would declare Wanted: Bebop and Rocksteady as the series finale.
I'm glad they actually cared about their roots instead of sneering at them this time.
It is REALLY lots of fun to see the classics truly interacting with the new generation :)
yeah its fun seeing a show reference its roots and not ruin it
like (cough) Turtles (cough) Turtles Forever
erica creta Or Transformers (the movies)...
Ummm... the comics were the Turtles roots, not the 87 show which the creators flat-out despised for years
trustno173 The 80s show was the root of animated shows that came later. If not the headbands would all be the same color!
bloodrunsclear
Only the headbands and Mikey and Donnie's personalities, pretty much everything else was ignored.
The creators hated the 87 show so much that at the end of Secret of the Ooze David Warner's character was going to be revealed to be an Utrom but they canceled it because they didn't want kids to think it was Krang, a character they hated with a passion.
And apparently whenever the 03 writers suggested doing Krang the creators told them "Hell no." They were lucky to get ONE episode with Rat King, that how toxic the creators see the 87 show, at best they see it as a necessary evil.
It's really too bad that the newest crossover feels more like Turtles Forever than this. They go back to chastising the old school TMNT over not being competent and not using their weapons, and Shredder and Krang are literally too dumb to live, more so than 87 Bebop and Rocksteady. It had promise and a longer run time, but I feel like the 87 TMNT were kinda given the shaft.
At least the brief 2D moments are better animated.
Yeah, I really don't know what the hell happened in the writing room for that one. All of the shitting done on the 87 turtles felt extremely out of place. They suddenly didn't know how to use their weapons even though they used them just fine in the last crossover. Also they repeatedly got their butts kicked big time by 2012 Bebop and Rocksteady and never got the chance to even the score. It was a cringy mess ultimately despite some rather great moments between 87 Shredder and Krang and 2012 Bebop and Rocksteady. It royally pisses me off that the most iconic, most successful and most culturally relevant version of TMNT gets treated like cowardly, pushover bitches who couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. More than once now! I mean, how much more inaccurate bullshit have we fans who grew up with the 1987 turtles have to take?!
Dibdab Firstly, 2012 Bebop & Rocksteady were established from the start as being far more competent than their 87 counterparts, which the 87 turtles obviously weren’t expecting, and even the 2012 turtles often struggled against them, so it makes sense that the 87 series wouldn’t fare as well against them as the ones they were used to battling. Secondly, I really hate to have to tell you this, but the 87 series is not this flawless masterpiece that your nostalgia goggles have fooled you into thinking it is. Sure, it may be the most popular incarnation, but it was also an incredibly dumb, poorly written mess that changed so much from the comics to the point where the spirit of the source material was completely lost. The only thing about it that really holds up nowadays is the theme song and the voice acting.
@@chrisdelgado4621 just because it was goofy dosent mean it was poorly written. They couldnt go with the comics because parents where complaining it was too violent.
Just watched the 1987 series again.(all ten seasons) Best characters, best dimension x, best art direction and design, best soundtrack, best universe, best theme song, still played and referenced to this day, insanely popular currently in production action figure line, still having videogames made about it, in short, TMNT 1987 has outlived the horseshit of 2003 and 2012 and buried both those mofos.
Finally, I was waiting for you to hear about this.
You were the first person I thought of when I heard about this thing, and was hoping you'd put in your input on it.
Glad you liked it so much. I know I did.
Weird watching Phelous make a positive review; those are rare to find.
Pretty much sums up my thoughts with this crossover. Can't wait to see the sequel to it.
+BigK13372 Yes and see the 2003 Turtles in it. If Nick can make an agreement with 4Kids that they put the 03 Turtles there and make them work together with the Nick turtles. Please do that 4Kidstv. Please do that.
+Tommy Diaz-Millan Do they still exist?
Yes.
Tommy Diaz-Millan Wow. Thats... Weird.
@@videobeetle8 Tommy Diaz-Millan is inaccurate. 4Kids doesn't exist anymore. It became 4Licensing Corporation in December 2012. And then that shut down in February 2017.
I always enjoy hearing you talk about stuff you really care about.
your regular reviews are funny, but I actually get really invested whenever you talk about stuff you clearly know and care a whole lot about, like Silent Hill, Resident Evil, Ghostbusters and TMNT.
I dunno, I guess it's just the emotion and enthusiasm coming from you during these videos that makes me want to care as much as you do^^
+TindraSan
I'm going to second that opinion. It is funny to watch you tear bad stuff a new one, but you do have a gift for showing your enthusiasm in a way that's really enjoyable and uplifting to watch.
It'd also be a good excuse to sit down and watch something you actually enjoy watching for once, instead of having to sit through turd after turd ;)
This was one of my favorite episodes of the 2012 series. It was awesome having the original cast voicing the classic TMNT. It was hard hearing Yu-Gi-Oh coming out of 87 Leo in Turtles Forever.
Because of 4kids
@@dwainsimmons3447 Not only that because of the voice actors union Cam, Townsend, Barry, Rob, Peter, Renae & Pat weren’t able to voice their 80s characters.
@@christopherklipstein2597plus the fact it was produced in NY and all the 87 voice actors were in LA. So financially it didn’t make sense especially since chances are they’d all say no
I wish they used something like traditional 2D animation with ToonBoom to animate the 1987 segments instead of that Flash-looking program.
Yes, sadly that's a big drawback.
+DeepEye1994 +DaiKuwabara TioStudio
I don't care if it is animated with either technology (Flash animation or Toon Boom Harmony animation), *_as long as traditional cell animation - and especially reel-to-reel film strip instead of digital video/film! - is not used there (traditional cell animation that is filmed via reel-to-reel film strip looks like crap to me in terms of the picture quality, which is pretty much_*_ _*_*THE*_*_ _*_only con of the original, 1987, Fred Wolf Films-produced/distributed Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles animated T.V. series in my figurative book!)_*.
Steven Villman To be fair, more than the use of an specific type of animation. The important thing is the quality of the animation. You can make crap (and also gold) independently of the animation technology you use. And yeah, the 2D segment of this special is crappy.
Way better crossover special.
2012 TMNT is the all time best for now!!!!
RIP Gilbert Gottfried and James Avery.
I love how Phelous lights up when he talks about his favorite cartoons
Not only i am happy for this being one of the best crossovers of all time, but i am also happy for phelan! oh god, it's rare to see a video of him this happy reviewing something! i also hope to see Krang again in the next crossover!
I am not a fan of the 1987 turtles, I am of the 2012 but this episodes made me want to go back and give it another shot I loved this episode
that's what good crossovers suppose to do. to encourage people to watch both shows.
I’m a fan of the 87 turtles
@@godzpeedx7ii75 and yet you’re blind to the very obvious bitterness dripping from turtle forever! No you are not
@@LizardOfOz69 exactly
I loved the 87 Turtles and this one is better than Turtles Forever cause they brought back the original voice actors.
I like how the mirage universe segment was like a motion comic.
I have theory about that one, what happen if the 80's turtles somehow became big name heroes and was able to walk around in public. I know nothing like that happen in the show but it MIGHT explain it.
+Gat the Man This is essentially it. In the 87 show, the Turtles basically became known public figures, like Spider-man. This is why they often came up undisguised in later seasons as they were essentially known super heroes instead of stealth ninjas.
FireRising86 Oh sweet so it isn't just a theory? I never watched the show but I have heard a lot about it.
@@FireRising86 no
@@Gat720Dua no
Galaxy Warrior reference in TMNT? AWESOME!
Such an amazing tribute episode. Amazing.
+MegamanNG Such a redundant comment comment. Redundant.
Sorry, that was a bad joke.
ProbeVoyages It's fine. You did enjoy Trans-Dimensional Turtles did ya?
*****
Actually, I haven't seen it. I WANT to see it after watching this video, though!
@@johnalogue9832 shut up
@@godzpeedx7ii75 I'd leave this be but I'm legitimately baffled at the logic of replying "shut up" to a 5 year old comment, presumably the one that already apologizes for being a bad joke.
I wish that they would instead use Jim Cummings as Shredder in the next special. After all, he was one of the few voices for him. And it would be nice if even 87 Splinter and 2012 Splinter had showed up as well. And hell, even 87 April showing up. But then again, not everything will have everything that you expect.
wait,so we're getting a SECOND ONE!
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
I would like to see an episode featuring Jei from Usagi Yojimbo.
This special is phenomenal. The framing and animation of the '87 TMNT dimension is a little weird, but I can look past it given that emulating older animation with current techniques is usually hit-or-miss.
Sorry but the 2003 is the most faithful to the source material. 87 is ok in retrospect but i prefer the tough guy version of the turtles not the pudgy high blood pressure tmnt. They are ninjas and should act like it.
Yeah, I don't agree with you. But hey, its cool to like what you like.
+Ruby Williams Anti UTTP one of the creators disagrees with you
It's certainly not
+Troy Cureton
+Ye Ma
The 2003 anime isn't faithful to the comics, either. Both the 2003 and 1987 shows took liberties with the source material.
The '87 series was the one that turned the franchise into a phenomenon. The source material isn't always the best version (ex: Die Hard).
I wish they would include the original 1987 Casey Jones in one of these crossovers. Seeing him interact with the newer versions and talking about "lawbreakers" would be hilarious!
Oh my god I’m imagining it
I like that the 2012 turtles got to face off against the 1987 turtles. And the 1987 turtles actually stood a chance. Unlike in turtles forever. One thing that the 2012 crossover forgot was the 1987 splinter. Don’t understand how they could forget him but I guess it’s forgivable
No
I agree Mortest Rick😊
@@gracekim25 NO
I would have found it funny if the teams first met in the newer show's 3D realm, and the 80's Turtles seemed incompetent and clumsy at first during fights (though not stupid in terms of intelligence), but then later when they enter the 80's Turtles dimension, the newer team struggles in the same way as they fight against the janky animation of the 80's show. Turns out movement and physics work differently in the 80's Turtles dimension, as a way to make fun of the animation without being unreasonably mean-spirited and, worse, inaccurate.
Oh, and of course the newer team makes fun of the 80's team for their clumsiness, but then get made of in turn when they enter the 2D animation realm.
No they aren’t incompetent or clumsy.
It isn’t janky animation
The 87 turtles aren’t clumsy
@@firestrikeriii5043
_"No they aren’t incompetent or clumsy."_
I didn't say they were.
_"It isn’t janky animation"_
Have you actually looked at the show within the last decade? The animation is jank as hell. It's actually hard to follow at times, moves make no sense, space itself makes no sense, etc. It's part of why I had to stop watching the show halfway through.
@@theuncalledfor The animation is NOT jank and you are wrong. It isn’t hard to follow at any time, the moves make sense, space itself makes more sense, and you stoping the show halfway through only shows you are incompetent and ignorant
I loved this episode. It really tickled my nostalgia itch. As someone who literally grew up with turtles, this was a cross over done right. Hearing the original voice actors was amazing. They don't sound like they've aged at all. XD
This 2nd crossover seemed more like your best friend meeting and getting along with your new best friend.
By the way, that second crossover between 2012 and 1987 was actually the 3-part finale to the 2012 show.
PLEASE review this 3-part finale.
He did
Phelous... I've NEVER seen you so happy before!
This honored the 87 turtles!
I recall reading somewhere that the 2003 TMNT show got constant flak from '87 fans DEMANDING it'd be less serious and more like the original cartoon [I think TMNT was intended to be closer to the Mirage comics], which led to executive meddling and goofier stuff like "Junklantis"...something which the show staff resented, leading to the vindictiveness found in "Turtles Forever" towards the '87 Turtles.
+MrXemnas1992
Even if that was the case, it really soured what could have been a GREAT crossover for Turtles Forever. Instead of it being fun and enjoyable, it felt more like the producers of the 03 series going 'NUH UH! OUR SERIES IS BETTER! ALL YOU 80S FANS SUCK!' which in essence showed them playing the same whining game as the fans who whined about the 03 series. Personally, I LOVED the comics but didn't really care for the 03 series NOT because it wasn't like the comics or the 80s series I grew up with but because it was just another product of that era where cartoons TRIED to be darker and edgier when in reality, it was the same stuff....just with scowls and a supposed darker tone. Not to say that the series is awful, it's not, but to say it was flawless is kind of pushing it, especially after Fast Forward and Back to the Sewers.
For a 4Kids production that wasn't a bad dub, it's really enjoyable and one of their best (if not the best of the original, though licensed, productions) but Turtles Forever was a waste because it wasn't a crossover; it really was fanfic level of us vs. them with so much put on the 03 series as being superior JUST BECAUSE, while over-hyping that obviously silly elements of the original show to make them seem like they were real an the only turtles people should care about. You don't do that with crossovers. If they wanted to make a slam at the 80s goofiness, it would have just been better to go the route of making an episode where someone clones the turtles and they ARE incompetent because they're clones, not simply because they were from the 80s series.
+MrXemnas1992 Also Fred Wolf's company sued Mirage Studios at one point and tried to take partial ownership from them, claiming they came up stuff such as putting April in a jumpsuit among other things. (The jumpsuit thing is the only specific claim I remember.) They lost the case since Eastman and Laird could just point to their comics and prove that they really invented the things that Wolf was claiming to have come up with.
Barry Gorden was my Voice Acting professor, and damn proud to say that! He is a great guy who had a long run doing some great V.O. work in our industry (SAG-AFTRA) and is still going strong today! We talk on a normal basis still in our SAG-AFTRA Zoom meetings which is great to catch up with some of the greats (for me anyway) such as Ernie Hudson, Sean Astin, and our National President Fran Drescher to name a few. As for the actors who were non-union, they still can work in a Union project depending on the contract. When I worked in City on a Hill it was a SAG-AFTRA signatory show which the non-union actors did get paid Union wage and if worked enough dates they were eligible to be a member of SAG-AFTRA. I'm not sure if you knew that Phelan, but if not that is how it works in my industry. I've been working in the industry now for 12 years years and a member of SAG-AFTRA as well as two committee's that I volunteer my time for in both
SAG-AFTRA Northeast Background & Safety Committee's) I was found by chance when I started acting and became a member of SAG-AFTRA shortly after so I wanted to give back because it was a dream of mine to get into acting and that's why I volunteer when I am not working in a project, and I do a lot with the board members via Zoom nationally which can be fun at times, but also can get hectic like any meeting. But I hope that answers your question regarding non-union voice actors and it depends on the project too, but also with Union projects we do have to use a set amount of non-union actors as well - though with Covid we have changed a lot of rules temporarily until things get better.
10:27 Mirage's Raphael didn't like this!
Nickelodeon does something good after a decade? Where have I been?
Sweet I gotta see this episode :D
IT WAS AWESOME!! :D
tbh the 87 animation here looks like something out of MAD or Collegehumor ):
+Breakman exe v2 And the 3D sections look like a PS2-era video game.
I think looks like collehehumor in their recent animated skits but the flash animation looks good.
I love the new show. It's so awesome I can't even handle it!
One thing I REALLY want to happen is a crossover between the 1987 Turtles, the 2003 Turtles and the 2012 Turtles. Three teams from the three main animated shows. Maybe even Three Splinters at once (Brown, Grey and Black). I wish this would happen, but I feel as though the guys at Nick don't care for the 2003 series that much. I can just imagine the 2003 Turtles in 3D, a fight between the 2 Karais and the return of one of the most bad ass versions of the Shredder.
Its sad when power rangers did a better crossover then a show where they were more gruesome then it
Like forever red is better then turtles forever right
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This one is far better than Turtles Forever
Now do a reaction to the "wanted, Bebop and Rocksteady" since that takes the crossover to the next level.
The explanation I had for when the 87 Turtles walk out into the streets was because they'd had so many adventures in saving the day and such that at some point, the people of New York actually become very accepting of them.
This is personal fan theory about it though.
+sonic8005 I know at the end of season 3 they went out in public and it looked like they may be accepted. I still need to finish watching the rest of it, I keep getting distracted by the 2012 series, or the 2003 series or Daredevil.
I Watched This Episode When It First Aired, And I LOVED It! The Voice Acting, The Animation, And The All Around Feel Of It, It's A Perfect Croosover!
i suppose the thing about the turtles going to the pizza shop is because in ther dimension everyone knows them so they dont usually needs to hide like on the 2012 dimension
love this ep too !
make top 40 dumbest TMNT 2003 episodes.
Don’t think there would be 40 lmao
Now this is a real crossover.
Thanks Phelous, your review is really helping me get through being in the hospital.
Love your stuff, Phelous!
Wow, this is exactly what Turtles Forever SHOULD have been!
While I really do understand your anger and frustration over the Turtles Forever movie (to have the 87 turtles cry in fear especially was bullshit), I personally really do think you're giving the 1987 show WAAAY too much credit. I grew up with it too and enjoyed it as a kid - but when I tried to rewatch it recently, it was one of the most frustratingly bad shows I've ever seen.
You're saying some of the stuff in Turtles Forever feels more like a parody of the show than the actual show - but they actually condensed it. They had villains MORE silly than the walking banana monster in the actual show, so I don't really see how that isn't a legit thing to bring up as silly in it.
But, hey, I'm glad you love and enjoy the 1987 show. And I'm glad this crossover is better than Turtles Forever. :)
I know the show had dumb moments, I made a list talking about all the stupid things that happening in 87. But you don't just focus on the low points of a show for a crossover like this. Like I mentioned in this video there is plenty to shit on in 2003 as well and that wouldn't have been fair to that show either.
+Phelan “Phelous” Porteous BTW, which TMNT show is your favorite, now that you've watched all of them? I know TMNT 2012 hasn't even finished yet, but still, I'd like to know.
+Phelan “Phelous” Porteous
Agreed, it should always be pros and cons, you don't want to ass kiss one side over the other anymore then take a giant shit on one side over the other, it ends up making both look bad as one is unbelievibly glorified and the other looks weak, just for character credibility alone that's a major writing no no, glad to see the 2012 show knew better
+ColeVecsion Same here, any crossover like this should celebrate both series, warts and all. Acknowledging goofs is a part of it, not dismissing the positives is another equally important part. If you combine two teams, whether from different worlds, books, series or whatever, you should do what you can to properly showcase what makes both series or franchises great. Team ups should be team ups, and everyone should get a chance to shine.
Phelan Porteous Very true. :) And again, I don't think Turtles Forever did a very good job at what it tried to do.
I've only seen small bits of the current TMNT series but I'll have to watch this episode. I had the same issues you did with the way Turtles Forever portrayed the 80s cartoon versions.
About time we hear what you think of 2012 turtles also we get it you didn't like Turtles Forever
Now I have no excuses to not continue watching the nick series!
I absolutely adore it, thanks Phelous for reminding me of it!
let's all agree that 4Kids ruins a lot of things, anime, good crossovers, theme songs. i won't argue that you may have been right that the writers behind turtles forever did a mean spirited parody of the 87 tutrles, but at least the 2003 had nice nods to them.
also the expressions you mentioned that the 87 turtles give when in 3D kinda, i almost thought you were gonna do the "Heeeyeeeeee" line from the old man in your Beauty and the Beast review
They didn’t have nice nods to them
@@godzpeedx7ii75 you want to forget the 2003 series forever.
What the hell does that have to do with this?!
You hate everything that 4kids does
Looks like one(or more) of the 2012 TMNT writers really likes your reviews.
I'm also surprised you didn't mention the Megan Fox joke, Kraang Sub-(Sub-)Prime spits out, best joke in the episode in my opinion.
UPDATE: Oops, grammatical errors.
What was sad was it took me a bit to even think of the TMNT 2014 connection with that line because I don't even think of her as having played April... which she didn't really, she played a plank of wood.
2:50 Sounds like Krang is having a conversation with Iago. There's a random idea, an Aladdin/Ninja Turtles crossover.
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@@firestrikeriii5043 Yes
Now I think I know why they don't do the trench coat bit anymore is mainly due to bad cultural implications with trench coats. That the clothing has now of days.
Hell this was even a problem with Jhonen Vazquez the creator of Invader Zim. The Nickelodeon studio really wanted him to redesign Dib just because the character wore a trench coat.
That's because Nick said and I quote. "He looks like the Columbine shooters."
Which is something people still think about people when they see Trench Coats.
My own kid brother got in serious trouble for wearing one at his High School, when it was winter. The world just doesn't like Trench Coats.
oh no wonder Noir films are out of the spotlight :(
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 Not really those are still classics from what I know. But that's why no one really wears the coat anymore
@@halleyangel1706 shame still
Jfc they’re just coats
@@SonicXtreme99akaCreeperMario Trying telling that to people who wanted to call the police on my brother
You need to do more stuff like this, Phelous. It's awesome to see you happy.