One of the things I love most about cycling is that once you've learned what all the subsystems are and how to service them you can get someone back on the road with some time, needle nose pliers, and being a little clever. These bikes are cool, but it's the same issue I have with modern cars; usually once proprietary tech goes wrong from use, the manufacturer has moved on, leaving no service parts, or them costing an excessive amount.
I rode this today. Rides much better than most e-bikes including those that cost a lot more. I could ride easily with the power off and the geometry, for me, was spot on. I`m baffled by the negative comments from people that haven’t ridden it.
Love the look of this, and it's list of features is almost enough for me to overlook the extensive app integration. ALMOST! I just hope it's critical features still work if the servers are offline.
Looks cool and has cool features. You're right it all seems a little overwhelming. It's almost like smartphone features, it has so many you probably wouldn't use. I'll stick to my analog bikes for now with all my phone and garmin mounts that's enough tech for me on a bike:)
I like the idea of it weighing only 33 pounds. The thing is that there are no dealers in Seattle right now and as I learned when I had a Stromer you must have a dealer around for when things go south. When a dealer comes to Seattle I will test ride one.
Noticed that they dropped the price to $1,800 today, so I pulled the trigger and bought it. Can't wait to try it. It will look pretty cool hanging off the back of my Tesla.
You've explained what the bike will do, but not how you go about changing settings, i.e., like 20 mph limit to 25 mph limit or you have all the different displays but how do you get to them?
At first glance I have a hard time with seat tube not connecting but I think it’s compliance over rough roads it may act as a spring maybe but it is interesting to say the least
The Urtopia has forged a new path if you will, This is truly a stunning “Urban E Commuter” Although I was surprised to see a full faced Shimano Tourney? Well in spite of that marginal component. Although would I buy one? Not now, however I will still look forward in new developments with Urtopia… “Stay Safe and Keep on Pedaling”… 🚴🇺🇸
Very interesting bike! Lots of pretty cool features and of course hydraulic brakes. It's kind of funny that the bike is named Urtopia, but the wheels say utopia (without the "r") and you even pronounced it Urtopia. 2:10 LOL
Many of the features are quite useful. The gps for security and tracking. Fingerprint security, turn signals at night, etc…but I get what you’re saying 👍🏻
Awesome product, just got a few comments. 1.All the proprietary carbon parts on it. I get its light and a;ll, but for a bike that is potentially going to be parked around d in the city, and might me push over, bumped into wals and such... I hope they got a good support plan with readily available parts. 2. Is all the AI, apps and such really necessary? I get lights and such, but rest just seems to be unnecessary bloat. 3. Really hope they have their QC on the carbon down. 4. Does it look like it can handle some transport racks and such?
Thanks for commenting. I see nothing that would cause concern for city use as far as the carbon goes. Road bikers have used carbon frames for years and they regularly rack them.
Looks nice and all but it looks like it will give after a while at the seatstay-chainstay or seatstay-seatpost joint for a heavier rider. I've worked with carbon fiber before and it cracks easier than one would think if not made properly at a high tolerance. I wouldn't put too much faith into these fancy designs just because it's carbon, it's not all that it's cracked up to be~
An app? In 5 years when this version of android and ios no longer work, will this app be updated? Probably not. I hate apps. I will NEVER buy a physical object that requires an app. Granted, you probably don't need an app to ride the bike, but a lot of the features of this from-over-function bike will be tied to the app.
Very unique frame design, any location for a bottle cage? That seat tube looks like one of those aero road bike, like a SLR or a madone. What's the pricing again?
Just so everyone knows this is not AI and GPT is a text generation software. The voice commands are basically the same type you've had on your phone in the form of Siri or Google assistant for the last 10 years. The bike certainly has a few cool and unique features but they just threw on the AI ChatGPT buzzwords for marketing hype.
I was pleasantly surprised when I saw the price online, I was expecting to sell for about $3k or more due to all its electronics and all carbon fiber construction. Not for me, too complicated. Leave it for the young, tech savvy riders.
Lol. Me too. When they first asked if I wanted to take it for a test ride I looked at a picture and thought….beautiful, but probably $4000. Then I went to their site and was surprised. Moreso once I was able to ride it. It’s a well built bike, IMO. Complicates, yes. There is a lot to the tech. I’m confident I didn’t find half the things it can actually do since I only had it to ride for a couple of days
The shifter(and possibly derailleur) have been updated. I was on a demo bike. Looking at their website I see pictures with a proper trigger shifter and better derailleur
I really like this bike and think it looks awesome. And not bad priced considering it’s all carbon fiber. But the display looks so cheesy. Definitely old school retro video game vibes. I’d just prefer something a lot more modern. But it’s still an awesome bike and definitely has my attention for a possible future purchase.
I actually like the headset display and bars. I edited out the part where I raved about them because they look VERY MUCH like the bars and display on the Vespa 946 - which I also like, but could never afford 🤑
I don't know, maybe it's the engineer and cyclist in me (mostly engineer) but the big elephant in the room for me here is the frame design. The lack of a complete seat tube makes me question the structural integrity of the frame design. Without the full length seat tube the rider is suspended from the 2 stress points at the head tube and the junction where the seat stays and the chain stays meet (rear axle). The comfortable ride you mentioned is most likely due to you, the rider, bouncing or being suspended creating stress cycles at the head tube and the rear axle and I don't see either point as being reinforced to handle all that repeated stress. So essentially the carbon fiber top tube and seat stays is acting like a leaf spring with the weight of the rider bouncing on it while going over bumps. Carbon fiber don't make good springs, at least not for long. It also makes me suspicious, or sus as my teenage son would say, when they only let you have it for a very short period of time so you can't do a meaningful in-depth evaluation of the bike. That frame design just makes me cringe.
The "AI" part is a huge gimmick. Lots of interesting features. $2800 is steep for 350w motor but the low 35 pound weight and torque sensor are really nice.
That is a STUPID comment. So, you are okay with not being able to have a bike last 10 years? I agree with the phone. However, a computer can be used for YEARS! You can install other operating systems to extend the life.@@felicetanka
implementing chatgpt into a bike seems like a total gimmick in my opinion. for the same price ($2200 you can buy a decent mid drive E bike or even a mid drive mountain bike off bikesdirect Speaking of which, since you make so many videos on cheaper bikes, ive really been loving my bike off bikesdirect, i think it may be worth making a video on em since i really have not seen other youtubers cover them
Great job on the review. 60 miles from a 350 watt hour battery. Laughing my butt off. 20, tops. Technically, since it is an assist only bike, may as well claim a 120 mile range. It would be just as accurate. This is not nitpicking. Any manufacturer who will not be honest about the range cannot be trusted in any other aspect. What do I think of this bike? Gimmick. Form over function. Gimmicky features like claiming voice commands have something to do with AI. Invoking CHATGPT (i guess their marketing dept heard it was a big topic). Frankly, it reminds me of new stereos. Very flat and shiny with almost no functionality built in. Another way this bike sacrifices function to get a very specific type of form. $2,200 WAY too much money for a 350 watt hour bike. Features not available on the bike computer. Nice name brand parts like the brakes, I'll give it that. Good luck finding that seat post. A decent bump can easily crack that seat post. The turn signals and brake lights are awesome though.
I do mostly agree, just one point - voice commands nowadays do usually work through AI. Nothing new in that of course, Siri has been around for a while and I don't think that was the first one either.
@@csr7080 How is voice recognition, especially such a limited vocabulary the same as AI? Voice command of computers with larger vocabularies go back many decades. If you were around in the 80s, that's when all the talk-to-me phone stuff started. "Please speak your phone number or enter it in on the touch tone keypad now"
@@KevCentral Funny thing is, chatGPT is a known liar. Not wrong. Liar. Google 'lawyer submits fake citations chatgpt; for an explanation. TLDR: ChatGPT gave lawyer fake legal citations and then swore they were correct when the lawyer asked ChatGPT to validate the citations.
@@tarstarkuszAs I said - voice recognition is usually done through AI nowadays. It might include things like filtering out background noise, and a better algorithm to understand accents. The limited range is down to what the commands can trigger. If the software isn't built to do more than a dozen things, that's all the things you can do - that's not the fault of the voice recognition bit though. Generally, there is a lot of AI in things nowadays, because it works. Including every smartphone camera, to eek out some extra performance from the limited sensor. Does that warrant praising some kind of "AI feature" when talking about the bike? Not really. But it's technically most likely correct.
Not gonna lie, I might be one of few who dislike the looks of it. On top of that it's a carbon bike with really cheap components so I would never buy it.
All that tech, But they ignored the most important things. No water bottle or rack mounts. Since the seatpost isn't round, No seatpost rack will fit it. How are people going to carry anything with this weird design.
I hate e bikes and I hate those bike you see were where this goin 😢😮 no thank you I'll ride my old skool bike with nothing else on it but pedals breaks wheels handlebars seat you know thats it not these dumb e bikes the future of bikes is one where you will be monitored on how much you ride and where you ride to I'll have sensors on every part of your bike full orwellian dystopian bicycle future.
😂. It’s the first bike I’ve felt is smarter than me. Ok, that might be any bike above a cruiser, but this bike…it definitely are more smarter than me 🤪
One of the things I love most about cycling is that once you've learned what all the subsystems are and how to service them you can get someone back on the road with some time, needle nose pliers, and being a little clever.
These bikes are cool, but it's the same issue I have with modern cars; usually once proprietary tech goes wrong from use, the manufacturer has moved on, leaving no service parts, or them costing an excessive amount.
I rode this today. Rides much better than most e-bikes including those that cost a lot more. I could ride easily with the power off and the geometry, for me, was spot on. I`m baffled by the negative comments from people that haven’t ridden it.
On the urtopia website, it now shows this bike using a belt drive. Nice!
That’s the carbon one single speed. The Carbon 1s is a 7-speed
I can honestly say I would probably break neck to get a second look at this if i saw it riding by.
That stem is sweet with the integrated computer and headlamp. Nice.
Check out the Vespa 946. Very similar
"Wanna go for a ride?"
"Hold up my bike is updating"
😂. Fortunately, this is an eBike actually light enough to ride as a regular non-powered bike if it comes to needing to go
Love the look of this, and it's list of features is almost enough for me to overlook the extensive app integration. ALMOST! I just hope it's critical features still work if the servers are offline.
That bike is way to cool ….great looking bike one of the first e-bikes I’d consider buying
the future is here! I like it, thanks Kev
I have the carbon 1 single speed, haven’t seen that app setting to increase max speed
Looks cool and has cool features. You're right it all seems a little overwhelming. It's almost like smartphone features, it has so many you probably wouldn't use. I'll stick to my analog bikes for now with all my phone and garmin mounts that's enough tech for me on a bike:)
I like the idea of it weighing only 33 pounds. The thing is that there are no dealers in Seattle right now and as I learned when I had a Stromer you must have a dealer around for when things go south. When a dealer comes to Seattle I will test ride one.
curious ,does the lack of a triangulating seat tube offer any noticeable compliance?
The projected signal light feature was cool ! ✌️
Noticed that they dropped the price to $1,800 today, so I pulled the trigger and bought it. Can't wait to try it. It will look pretty cool hanging off the back of my Tesla.
This urtopia carbon ebike will speak for itself If it can pedal assist up to 28mph?
You've explained what the bike will do, but not how you go about changing settings, i.e., like 20 mph limit to 25 mph limit or you have all the different displays but how do you get to them?
Wow. Look at the handlebars
I like the look and the shape of the wheels.
They remind me of Vespa 946 bars and display
At first glance I have a hard time with seat tube not connecting but I think it’s compliance over rough roads it may act as a spring maybe but it is interesting to say the least
Yeah, until you hit a speed bump or pothole and it cracks at the joint :) I'm interested in knowing how many will eventually give with heavier riders.
It´s a beautiful bike. Don´t like the pixels much. Does the saddle have it´s own suspension? If not, can you change it?
The Urtopia has forged a new path if you will, This is truly a stunning “Urban E Commuter” Although I was surprised to see a full faced Shimano Tourney? Well in spite of that marginal component.
Although would I buy one?
Not now, however I will still look forward in new developments with Urtopia…
“Stay Safe and Keep on Pedaling”… 🚴🇺🇸
Very interesting bike! Lots of pretty cool features and of course hydraulic brakes. It's kind of funny that the bike is named Urtopia, but the wheels say utopia (without the "r") and you even pronounced it Urtopia. 2:10 LOL
Their ”about“ states: New Urban Utopia = Urtopia, so there's no R here.
The bike looks good.
I would have a play with all the extra features but in all honesty I know once I got riding I would never used them again.
Many of the features are quite useful. The gps for security and tracking. Fingerprint security, turn signals at night, etc…but I get what you’re saying 👍🏻
They should have a more modern style display like the FreeTech bike has. Front and back cameras would be awesome and front suspension.
Awesome product, just got a few comments.
1.All the proprietary carbon parts on it. I get its light and a;ll, but for a bike that is potentially going to be parked around d in the city, and might me push over, bumped into wals and such... I hope they got a good support plan with readily available parts.
2. Is all the AI, apps and such really necessary? I get lights and such, but rest just seems to be unnecessary bloat.
3. Really hope they have their QC on the carbon down.
4. Does it look like it can handle some transport racks and such?
Thanks for commenting. I see nothing that would cause concern for city use as far as the carbon goes. Road bikers have used carbon frames for years and they regularly rack them.
Looks nice and all but it looks like it will give after a while at the seatstay-chainstay or seatstay-seatpost joint for a heavier rider. I've worked with carbon fiber before and it cracks easier than one would think if not made properly at a high tolerance. I wouldn't put too much faith into these fancy designs just because it's carbon, it's not all that it's cracked up to be~
that is a VERY interesting looking bike there. I like that it has turn signals, a shame that those signals only work at night though.
can you programme it to say hello and your name when you turn it on . looks amazing bike i would like to see more on this.
Great Quick Review! Is it greedy to want another e-bike? Thank you!
Marty McFly comes to Alabama!
An app? In 5 years when this version of android and ios no longer work, will this app be updated? Probably not. I hate apps. I will NEVER buy a physical object that requires an app. Granted, you probably don't need an app to ride the bike, but a lot of the features of this from-over-function bike will be tied to the app.
Does it feature auto pilot? 😮
Voice control is not AI. Thank God for that though. Voice control has been around a LONG time. Many decades.
Very unique frame design, any location for a bottle cage? That seat tube looks like one of those aero road bike, like a SLR or a madone. What's the pricing again?
$2199 at the time of the video. I don’t see any cage mounts
@@KevCentral average decent ebike is like what? $1500? For this unique carbon with AI, very nicely priced.
GoTrax E- bikes baby
Just so everyone knows this is not AI and GPT is a text generation software. The voice commands are basically the same type you've had on your phone in the form of Siri or Google assistant for the last 10 years.
The bike certainly has a few cool and unique features but they just threw on the AI ChatGPT buzzwords for marketing hype.
I was pleasantly surprised when I saw the price online, I was expecting to sell for about $3k or more due to all its electronics and all carbon fiber construction. Not for me, too complicated. Leave it for the young, tech savvy riders.
Lol. Me too. When they first asked if I wanted to take it for a test ride I looked at a picture and thought….beautiful, but probably $4000. Then I went to their site and was surprised. Moreso once I was able to ride it. It’s a well built bike, IMO.
Complicates, yes. There is a lot to the tech. I’m confident I didn’t find half the things it can actually do since I only had it to ride for a couple of days
😮Amazing
WOW its a beauty love it how much does it cost please Kev these will sell like hot cakes thanks for the short review.
Pricing is on their website. It is currently on ‘sale,’ but I haven’t had the opportunity to see if that sale is permanent or not 😁
What is the price of all that technology??????
It's a bicycle, never mind
The cheap components would put me off from buying this, but i'm not going to lie, the bike itself looks pretty neat.
The shifter(and possibly derailleur) have been updated. I was on a demo bike. Looking at their website I see pictures with a proper trigger shifter and better derailleur
I really like this bike and think it looks awesome. And not bad priced considering it’s all carbon fiber. But the display looks so cheesy. Definitely old school retro video game vibes. I’d just prefer something a lot more modern. But it’s still an awesome bike and definitely has my attention for a possible future purchase.
I actually like the headset display and bars. I edited out the part where I raved about them because they look VERY MUCH like the bars and display on the Vespa 946 - which I also like, but could never afford 🤑
The rims are actually branded "New urban utopia", not "urtopia". Wonder if by accident or on purpose...
Good question since the name of the company is New Urtopia.
I don't know, maybe it's the engineer and cyclist in me (mostly engineer) but the big elephant in the room for me here is the frame design. The lack of a complete seat tube makes me question the structural integrity of the frame design. Without the full length seat tube the rider is suspended from the 2 stress points at the head tube and the junction where the seat stays and the chain stays meet (rear axle). The comfortable ride you mentioned is most likely due to you, the rider, bouncing or being suspended creating stress cycles at the head tube and the rear axle and I don't see either point as being reinforced to handle all that repeated stress. So essentially the carbon fiber top tube and seat stays is acting like a leaf spring with the weight of the rider bouncing on it while going over bumps. Carbon fiber don't make good springs, at least not for long. It also makes me suspicious, or sus as my teenage son would say, when they only let you have it for a very short period of time so you can't do a meaningful in-depth evaluation of the bike. That frame design just makes me cringe.
Too many proprietary parts. Can't modify the cockpit.
Price?
Currently $2199
mouse ear shifters rly why
That’s on the demo version. Based on some of the images and specs I believe the newer bikes have a 7-speed trigger shifter with clear view window
Im a fan until it stops working or cracks.
You'd have to xhop off someone's finger to steal the bike lol
The "AI" part is a huge gimmick. Lots of interesting features. $2800 is steep for 350w motor but the low 35 pound weight and torque sensor are really nice.
It’s currently $2199 with the $600 discount
Not buying ANYTHING tied to an app. Bet you in 10 years its a brick!
The phone and computer you use is an App.
That is a STUPID comment. So, you are okay with not being able to have a bike last 10 years? I agree with the phone. However, a computer can be used for YEARS! You can install other operating systems to extend the life.@@felicetanka
the wheels are "UTOPIA"
👍🏻
implementing chatgpt into a bike seems like a total gimmick in my opinion. for the same price ($2200 you can buy a decent mid drive E bike or even a mid drive mountain bike off bikesdirect
Speaking of which, since you make so many videos on cheaper bikes, ive really been loving my bike off bikesdirect, i think it may be worth making a video on em since i really have not seen other youtubers cover them
Hopefully they will contact me one day. There are quite a few bikes of theirs I would like to give a go
The web link is bad
Great job on the review.
60 miles from a 350 watt hour battery. Laughing my butt off. 20, tops. Technically, since it is an assist only bike, may as well claim a 120 mile range. It would be just as accurate. This is not nitpicking. Any manufacturer who will not be honest about the range cannot be trusted in any other aspect.
What do I think of this bike? Gimmick. Form over function. Gimmicky features like claiming voice commands have something to do with AI. Invoking CHATGPT (i guess their marketing dept heard it was a big topic). Frankly, it reminds me of new stereos. Very flat and shiny with almost no functionality built in. Another way this bike sacrifices function to get a very specific type of form.
$2,200 WAY too much money for a 350 watt hour bike. Features not available on the bike computer. Nice name brand parts like the brakes, I'll give it that. Good luck finding that seat post. A decent bump can easily crack that seat post.
The turn signals and brake lights are awesome though.
I do mostly agree, just one point - voice commands nowadays do usually work through AI. Nothing new in that of course, Siri has been around for a while and I don't think that was the first one either.
@@csr7080 How is voice recognition, especially such a limited vocabulary the same as AI? Voice command of computers with larger vocabularies go back many decades.
If you were around in the 80s, that's when all the talk-to-me phone stuff started. "Please speak your phone number or enter it in on the touch tone keypad now"
I believe the bulk of the chatgpt integration is with all the analyzing features in the app.
@@KevCentral Funny thing is, chatGPT is a known liar. Not wrong. Liar. Google 'lawyer submits fake citations chatgpt; for an explanation. TLDR: ChatGPT gave lawyer fake legal citations and then swore they were correct when the lawyer asked ChatGPT to validate the citations.
@@tarstarkuszAs I said - voice recognition is usually done through AI nowadays. It might include things like filtering out background noise, and a better algorithm to understand accents.
The limited range is down to what the commands can trigger. If the software isn't built to do more than a dozen things, that's all the things you can do - that's not the fault of the voice recognition bit though.
Generally, there is a lot of AI in things nowadays, because it works. Including every smartphone camera, to eek out some extra performance from the limited sensor.
Does that warrant praising some kind of "AI feature" when talking about the bike? Not really. But it's technically most likely correct.
All for the low low price of 5500 dollars!!!!😂
$1,600 with coupon today = priced for a smile every mile 😊
Oh wow. I didn’t know they had that. Impressive
$2,799.00
$2,199.00 NOW
That matches the price I had seen when I looked 👍🏻
I hate the downtube on that bike!! And a tourney seems out of place on a carbon fiber bike.
What’s wrong with the downtube?
@@KevCentralIts not supported straight down just to look different.
Looks like a real pain to put that seatpost in a repair stand.
I wouldn’t clamp a carbon seat post.
Edit: corrected wording to say wouldn’t from shouldn’t
Pronounced Your Topia
knight rider bike.
Not gonna lie, I might be one of few who dislike the looks of it. On top of that it's a carbon bike with really cheap components so I would never buy it.
Thanks for sharing. There’s a bike design out there for everyone 👍🏻
19 predetermined voice commands has nothing to do with AI or ChatGPT
It uses chat gpt to analyze riding and generate reports. It will even sync with the app via 4G even if the phone isn’t paired when riding. Pretty cool
You had my attention until the ugly shifters....
Yeah. Look through their site. It looks like they’ve updated to a proper trigger shifter - they said they were working on some better pedals too
All that tech, But they ignored the most important things. No water bottle or rack mounts. Since the seatpost isn't round, No seatpost rack will fit it. How are people going to carry anything with this weird design.
The goods are not the Good.
Am I the only one completely uninterested in eBikes?
Probably not the only one, but they are the fastest growing segment in cycling
I hate e bikes and I hate those bike you see were where this goin 😢😮 no thank you I'll ride my old skool bike with nothing else on it but pedals breaks wheels handlebars seat you know thats it not these dumb e bikes the future of bikes is one where you will be monitored on how much you ride and where you ride to I'll have sensors on every part of your bike full orwellian dystopian bicycle future.
Counterpoint: Wouldn’t that also have the benefit of ensuring everyone gets exercise and doesn’t just sit around all day? 🤯
breaks.....
Lmfao
Lol. “A piano fell on it…it came out of nowhere!”
Nice looking bike ., i saw this bike some were before😮 is it at a good price😮
powered by AI? The first bike that gives you more fingers then what you started with.
😂. It’s the first bike I’ve felt is smarter than me. Ok, that might be any bike above a cruiser, but this bike…it definitely are more smarter than me 🤪