PRO LIFE vs. PRO CHOICE debate | opposing views with Lila Rose & Brenda Davies
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Not many issues are more polarizing and heated than the topic of abortion. Pro life advocates believe in the inherent value and human rights of the unborn. Pro choice advocates believe in the inherent value of the rights of women to choose whether to continue a pregnancy or not and to have bodily autonomy.
I sit down with Brenda Davies and Lila Rose, two advocates with very opposing views on the topic of abortion. Brenda is a writer, podcaster, and left-leaning pro-choice Christian with the TH-cam channel called God is Grey. Brenda believes that forced birth is immoral and that abortion can be better prevented by making this nation a more hospitable place for new & existing life with left leaning policies. Lila is a writer, speaker and pro life activist. She’s the founder and president of Live Action, a human rights nonprofit with the largest digital footprint on the globe for the pro-life movement. Live Action exists to defend the rights of the unborn and make abortion unthinkable.
In this episode we cover:
- Is it always wrong to commit intentional violence on an innocent human person?
- Is it immoral to force teens and women to give birth against their will? What about bodily autonomy?
- What is the moment of distinction when a person deserves basic human rights? Gestational age? A heartbeat? Viability? When a person takes their first breath after birth?
- Both mother and child have rights - are those rights in conflict when it comes to pregnancy?
- A common reason why someone is pro-choice: “I wouldn’t personally get an abortion but I wouldn’t want to restrict someone else from getting one.”
- Is the way we talk about this debate “pro life” and “pro choice” are accurate to how people who hold those views truly think and act?
- There was over 600,000 abortions last year, if all abortions were banned, that would be 600,000 more kids, a lot of them in poverty or tough situations, what would be the plan to deal with that?
- Horrific instances of rape or incest, or when there is an extreme health risk to the mother? Or women who are suffering mentally?
- Sex elective abortion, where for example the parent chooses to abort their baby girl because they are specifically wanting a boy.
- would making abortion illegal actually reduce abortions?
- How the foster care system vs adoption shapes this conversation
- Do women need to rely on abortion to succeed in society?
- What about overpopulation?
- Roe v. Wade - will the Supreme Court overturn Roe? What will that mean for our national conversation about abortion?
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WHERE TO FIND LILA ROSE:
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Website www.liveaction.org
Live Action / liveactionorg
Book www.amazon.com/Fighting-Life-...
Resources from Lila that she mentioned in the episode:
OPTION LINE
optionline.org | (800) 712-4357
Option Line offers a confidential live chat, text line, and toll-free phone line that is available 24/7. The website contains additional resources for women who are considering abortion, have had an abortion, or are seeking alternatives to abortion. It can connect a woman almost anywhere to local free resources
CARE NET
www.care-net.org/find-a-pregna... | (866) 993-0794
Care Net offers free resources and a confidential, toll-free, phone line available from 10 AM to 6 PM EST.
if you’re a woman considering abortion because of financial stress, reach out to Let Them Live: letthemlive.org
to see what happens in an abortion from ex abortionist doctors who have performed thousands of abortions, go here: www.abortionprocedures.com
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I was raped, there were times when I just couldn't handle it. I kept my child she is 19 yrs old. She kept me alive when I had no reason to live. She gave me a reason to keep going.
I know someone like that.
Blessings 🙏 ❤️
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I am so happy you have this outlook and decided to not take out that horrific unspeakable act out on an innocent child.. I can't imagine how you felt.. and as a man I was r***d as a young child by a man.... I was too young, even if I was a girl to be able to get pregnant.. and probably that is why it didn't have the negative affect on me as it would as a girl able to have a child.... If these pro choice advocates heard stories as yours they wouldn't be able to grand stand ideas they don't know about like you do.. If you believe in God or not he loves you and I/we do too.. God bless you, you strong woman....
@@NateA80 no one should ever be violated its sad when it happens. I'm sorry that happened to you. I hope you healed emotionally from it. I have but it does bother me from time to time. It's nice to see a pro-life man respond instead of getting hate speech. I was strong cause I had to be. I had a choice to make.
1. Get an abortion
2. Keep going with life as I always have
Things have always been done to me being raped was nothing new. I have never reported any of the rapes or any other thing I just move on.
came as pro choice and left as pro life. thank you for this episode. those kind of conversations are very much needed!
I used to be pro choice. I changed my mind after finally listening to arguments from the other side. Deep down I think I had always known I was doing mental gymnastics to defend the killing of another human life.
@@klumzi this was set up to not be biased at all. If 1 side has facts and one doesn’t it may look like that’s the case to some
So wonderful to read this comment. Kudos to you for commenting this!
Good on you! So glad to hear this!
@@klumzi heyy, actually watched this episode as soon as it came out. because of this episode I got really into this subject and listened to more podcasts and discussions. the pro life side since discovering Lila rose has been the side I agree with most/only. But you are right. one should always keep educating oneself and not only listen to only one source!
My first child was born deaf, and my second child was also born deaf. During that second pregnancy, the doctors suggested I get genetic testing done to determine whether I wanted to abort my second deaf child. I was flabbergasted. Why on earth would I snuff out a life because of a disability? I’m not Hitler, who practiced eugenics.
And I guess I should mention that I bring this up because this eugenic mentality is common amongst those who advocate for abortion, so it should be seriously taking in consideration when backing abortion in general.
Praise the Lord! If I to have another child I would probably opt out of genetic testing - is there any value in them, except for the companies doing them?
Yes. I opt out of testing.
Brenda is not the right person to be debating this topic when her response to everything is that she’s getting frustrated and that it’s a waste of time. Like why did you agree to come debate this topic when you’re not prepared for it whatsoever?
Lila crushed it. So elegant and poise and respectful.
I think her lack of knowledge and preparation is because there is no debate here.
@@kayleighmcintyre31 hahaha good point
Lila debated abortion. Brenda debated Democrat wishlists, voter suppression and campaign talking points.
Yeah and she keeps dismissing the question. You have to answer questions in a debate.
Savita Halappanavar. She died because she was refused an abortion in Ireland even though she had maternal sepsis. Lila Rose Catholic views are too extreme because she doesn’t make exceptions for medical situations. Women can and have died because of pregnancy complications and the fetus is too young to live outside the womb. You get a dead mother and child rather than a live mother. Lila Rose religious views are ignorant to such situations.
When Lila asked "When you're pregnant, what are you pregnant with?" and Brenda responds with "a spirit", I literally spit out my drink.
Lucky... I didn't have a drink, so I just spit.
Honestly, when she said that I choked on air.
Brenda sounds like she’s surviving in life. She had not a single brain cell in her brain 🧠 to save her.
I'm with you. What spirit is she talking about. I am just proud of Lila, how she handles her in every interview she is in. Keep it up Lila and may God protect you always.
Did any woman ever gave birth to a spirit? How does it looked like Brenda?
Former baby here. Glad I was not aborted. Carry on.
Your argument is succinct and one of the most effective whenever I see it. Cheers!
Underrated comment
I'm a former baby as well. 59 years ago I was born, well actually May 25th it will be 60 years. Though my mother didn't have a lot of money, she had a lot of love and cared about me a lot, and that means all the world to me.
I'm a former baby, and would have never judged my mom for making that decision. She didn't want me.😂
There are many reports of people dying and having an experiences / feelings that no earthly pleasure or drug can match. how do you know it is bad to be dead. If you died today, maybe you would also choose to stay on the other side.
If people were aborting puppies, at the rate that people abort babies, the public would be up in arms.
I mean yeah, if people were pregnant with puppies...
Yup, always. They think of people as animals, but they treat animals better.
"Wow look at the bees create a hive. Awesome beaver dam!"
Now people "look at that entire city with skyscrapers. People are so wasteful and selfish."
@@bdowiemama3310 Sure, because bees destroy thousands of species with their hives too, right?
@joannajett2524 No nature is all super kind and loving to one another 🤡
@@bdowiemama3310 Not the point. Are thousands of animal species disappearing because of bee hives and beaver dams, yes or no? Also, can humans live without skyscrapers?
Brenda came to a pro life v pro choice debate and didn’t want to talk about abortion at all
Our doctor STRONGLY suggested an abortion after lab test indicated Edward's syndrome. We decided to NOT do it... Our baby is now a healthy and beautiful national honors student.
Wow, amazing ❤
@@tratincica2211 Thanks! The doctor told us our baby was most likely going to die anyway. But we decided that where there is life, there is hope. We truly appreciate your comment.
I am so happy for you.
I had a similar experience with my third baby. I was told that he had multiple markers for Down syndrome and to do confirmation testing as quickly as possible so I could still qualify for an abortion. I refused, and he was born 100% healthy. Prenatal testing is so flawed and often proven to have false positives, and not justification for homicide.
@@grammaurai6843 I'm so happy for you. It's crazy how quick doctors are to suggest abortion?!
Had my son at 19 all my friends told me get an abortion . My son is the best thing that ever happened to me
You’re a strong woman, that’s a beautiful story. I wish I had had your strength when I was in a similar position as a young lady. Unfortunately i chose wrong and 25 years later it still hurts. Keep telling your story, it’s powerful, and babies will be rescued because of you ❤
Thank you both for telling your stories. It matters ❤❤❤
@@pjm6496 Your unborn child is currently in Heaven, living with King Jesus and God, eternally happy and joyful with them. Don't keep putting yourself in shame for a decision you made in your past, but rather surrender to God, accept Jesus Christ as your savior and LORD, and He will bring you healing and deliver you from the shame and hurt from your past. Entrust God with your most basic needs and you will see how powerful He is and how He is so faithful. He loves you so much more than even the best love you can imagine. He exceeds all expectations. I encourage you to lay it in His hands and give Him control over your life. God loves you and bless you, in Jesus name!
Bless your heart Ny Ayanna. God loves you and your son unconditionally and has a plan for you both!
@@gracekim9429 thank you for that, I agree with everything you said completely.. and yes, I’ve done those things and love the Lord very much. Thank you for being bold and for your faithfulness!
"When you're pregnant, what are you pregnant with? with: "a spirit", I beg your FINEST pardon? 😭
It was the most idiotic response.
“A spirit” that miraculously becomes a human worthy of respect, life, and protection, at EXACTLY 20 weeks. Lol she’s a joke
Could u give me the exact minute please i need to watch it for
myself
Savita Halappanavar. She died because she was refused an abortion in Ireland even though she had maternal sepsis. Lila Rose Catholic views are too extreme because she doesn’t make exceptions for medical situations. Women can and have died because of pregnancy complications and the fetus is too young to live outside the womb. You get a dead mother and child rather than a live mother. Lila Rose religious views are ignorant to such situations.
Was here for THIS comment, lol. Still waiting people🤣
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
before you were born I set you apart
Jeremiah 1:5
Yes the bible is a very nice fictional book.
Amen!
... said God to his chosen prophet. Not to everyone.
God uses to Bible to speak to us in ways that may not be clear to you. I’m blessed enough that when I pray and ask god to provide me with the verses I need for my spirit, as soon as I turn to a page I find exactly what I need. God speaks to us all.
@@joannajett2524 but just because it was for his prophet it does not mean that he did not have the same sentiments for his creations! What proof do you have that he does not feel this about creations
A major problem I am having with Brenda’s argument happens at 49:28. When asked questions about abortion she says, “ she’s not very educated on the matter.” That is crazy to me. She is writing books on the women’s health, she has podcast, and she vehemently supports “ pro choice.” But now when it’s time to defend your stance, your “uneducated” . How can you defend a stance, write books, and get argue on a platform when you admit that you are “uneducated” on a topic. That’s ridiculous smh
She was embarrassing throughout the whole video 🤢 I came into the pro choice however my views are back and forth on the subject and may be changing, idk. But I appreciated Lila way more in this for the most part.
@@jackielortz4781 how could you go back and forth? You realize the ramifications right? Women placed in jails if they speak they may go out of state for an abortion, literally like a cattle farm. Women jailed, forced to have babies for other families. It's weird and extreme, if this is truly something that was actually enacted, it would be detrimental. More women would day, way more women. There would be an epidemic of people kxlling full term babies and toddlers, instead of just getting an abortion. Limits? Obviously. Late term abortions are insane, unless it's medical, like a baby without a skull and brain, or a baby that will be born dead, or the mothers chance of dying being there. The goal is to do what we can, to support women and mothers in society, supporting women and children who choose life, giving them a village, AND supporting women who absolutely should not and do not want to continue a pregnancy. I am a young mom of 3. I am 23. Everyone assumes I'm pro life, but I'm not. I'm adamantly pro choice, I have friends who had to get abortions. They were the hardest, most critical decisions made. It doesn't matter if the fetus is "alive" or if it's a baby. Women still have the right to not be locked in cells and used as a way to produce babies for other people, it's forced human trafficking. The UN is coming in and is on standby because they are huge violations of human rights.
@@jackielortz4781 I'm curious. What things are holding you back when considering pro life?
I thought the same thing. Vastly irresponsible.
@@TryingtoTellYou I know you aren’t replying to me but my only issue is someone being pregnant for 9 whole months and having to give a birth that’s painful even if they didn’t want to be. It just doesn’t sit right with me.
Wow. I grew up pro choice and after hearing this, I am pro life. Wonderful job of the host to organize this conversation. Thank you ❤
💖 God bless you
Good choice 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
abortion doesn’t stop when it’s banned. women just have unsafe abortions or forced childbirth
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It's really crazy that someone can even be pro choice to begin
"A procedure the ends a pregnancy." My daughter's birth ended my pregnancy. But that wasn't as abortion. So clearly there's a crucial thing missing from her definition.
It’s so broad that it means nothing. It’s a euphemism.
@@celestial-mq9scMurder
That's how NHS qnd planned parenthood define abortion to make it sound normal I think 😢😢😢
Good point. So sorry for your loss. 💔
She’s wanting all the humanity taken out of the definition; meanwhile she wants to pretend to have compassion on humanity…wut
I am a proud adoptive mother of 2 boys. It is my life’s mission to share with them how selfless and courageous both of their birth mothers were. Truly an act of love.
Yes sometimes it's an act of love a mother decides to abort
Love of Thier parents status in a church
They choose abortion because belonging in cults family were one parents practices shunning of other members
Or parents claiming to be pro life and that women and girls need to keep their legs shut
They don't talk about birthcontrol and tell their children they need to be virgins like the mother Mary before marriage
They bring in the most buiness to plan parenthood women and girls seeking abortions
Love of baby or love of the baby They not able to carry at the time
Used as an escape from rape and child molestation
.to heal
Many stories then stories that when get married they have kids they aren't running forgetting why they opt for abortions in the past
Before they become these virtuous virgins of course
As a millennial I would have to say when I got pregnant, the natural response of my peers around me was to get an abortion. It became the norm and the "right" thing to do. I chose to keep my baby and was the best decision I have ever made.
that was your choice though, so it sounds like you're pro-choice. I don't get pro-lifers, would you actually go around to every woman in the world who accidentally got pregnant and forcefully have them to have the baby and force them to put all their own needs to the side and raise a child for at least 18 years? you made your own choice, now let everyone else make their own choice. this is such a strange debate to me
@@chelseaamber3065 nobody’s being forced into an 18-year commitment to take care of a child with the exception of fathers legally forced to pay child support. If a woman wants to give up the child for adoption, they certainly can. Also, nobody’s legally forcing someone to become pregnant. This isn’t the handmaids tale and we don’t have any pregnancy quotas. Opposing abortion is nothing more and nothing less than standing in the way of lethal force being used against an innocent, defenseless, and voiceless human being who’s only crime was being brought into existence by someone who now wants to kill them.
@@chelseaamber3065 if she was raped that’s different. But this generation wants to have sex without consequences and thats dangerous to avoid accountability. Go whore somewhere else
@@chelseaamber3065 Outside of non-consensual sex, how does one 'accidentally' get pregnant?
@@chelseaamber3065 ok well it sounds like her friends weren’t really pro choice I don’t get pro choicest who are supposed to be so for someone having a right to choose they have an issue with someone choosing to parent or choosing to give birth
My opinion changed 100% because of education. Especially learning about what actually happens during the abortion procedure. It is horrifying.
Totally agree. It's barbaric.
@@shannane5171 right because a pill is so barbaric
@@kotababy411 what the pill does to the fetus is barbaric
You should meet up with one of those who do the procedure. You’ll feel like something is really off about them. Your sins do show up on your countenance. Like the more people you have sex with the older you look even with kids
It's in the woman's body ffs. She should have the choice. Of all the sentient adult stakeholders in the world, her stake is higher than everyone else's combined. Thus its her choice
I was already pro-life but man…. This debate was a very clear indicator that “pro-choice” people cannot actually define what an abortion actually is….
It's an indicator that ONE PERSON SUCKS at articulating the arguments of pro-choice people.
Are you a vegetarian, too?
I've decided it's wrong to eat meat because animals are sentient, thinking, feeling, emoting beings. They form bonds, learn routines, recognize faces. Pigs are as intelligent as 3-year-old children! It's immoral & unethical to oppress them, exploit them, and murder them. It's irresponsible to pollute the environment exponentially more because of the waste of millions of cows raised for slaughter. Those are my beliefs, which are justified and valid. Should I be able to _force you_ to be a vegetarian? Or, should I live according to my beliefs & allow you to do the same?
There’s a lot of words they can’t define yet identify with it.
The whole “god is grey” thing literally has me absolutely sick to my stomach. A bunch of strategic, blasphemous lies stemming from the pit of hell is what that is.
Yes, Thank you.
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2 Corinthians 11:13-15
[13]For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
[14]And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
[15]Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
She needs the GOSPEL.
Literally what it is
Lila was so overwhelmingly superior that you even start feeling sorry for the other lady.
I totally agree!
She starts every statement with a heavy breath..then goes into it all being nuanced..or talks about her mouse wheel.
Brenda's biggest problem is that Lila is speaking clearly..and with straight forward facts!
I’m on 20 minutes in and I agree….and I’m not even firm (yet) of my own pro-life vs. pro-choice opinion.
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I thought that Brenda got weaker as the interview progressed.
I almost was thinking that Lila Rose convinced her to become pro life...but at the end she said she was pro choice and always would be...bur failed terribly on defending her position!
💯 Facts
I felt bad that Lila was constantly interrupting her every other sentence that I completely stopped watching.
You can't "veto a question" in a debate if it is the MAIN point of the debate 😂
Yes and I was so glad Lila said, “But this IS the question.”
EXACTLY!
i almost threw my phone out the window!!! how are you gonna pick and chose the argument?? i saw a similar response to another podcast she did with a whole table full of secular-influenced individuals. they would call her annoying and just chose “not to answer” cause they weren’t “interested” in that debate….. explain the logic ?????
@@anabsanchez14 was it Whatever podcast?
@@with.the.y yes lolol
What i notice is that Brenda is centering herself where Lila is centering humanity. I think there lies the actual difference in POV
I've decided it's wrong to eat meat because Animals are sentient, thinking, feeling, emoting beings. It's immoral & unethical to oppress them, exploit them, and murder them. Those are MY beliefs & they're justified. They're valid. Should I be able to _force you_ to be a vegetarian? Or, should I live according to my beliefs & allow you to do the same?
That’s a terrible argument. Lol
@@ThatRedheddyou can do as you wish when you’re not directly harming someone else, but if you decided to harm and kill your dog for example that is clearly unethical, which is the debate here. It’s not really your personal choice whether you want to hurt someone else.
There is no humanity in forcing a baby to be born into a family that are unwilling and unable to provide a healthy upbringing. Just because two people have sex doesn’t mean they are ready to become parents. That’s why pro choice is so important.
@@sweetpeaxox You must understand that people will have the procedure if they want to. The issue is whether it will be safe or not, or perhaps how early in the pregnancy they are able to get it. The harder you make it, the later in the pregnancy they'll be able to access it.
I’m so confused on how Brenda is Christian… it says in the Bible that we should be fruitful and multiply. That children are God’s greatest reward and gift. It says in the Bible that God loves our children more than we ever could. He will protect them and there is a purpose and reason for everything.
I’m American Mexican and I did not told my parents about sex Ed class. No way! Therefore they never had a chance to converse their moral views with me. At 15 I got pregnant and was told I now needed to become a woman and learn the ways of motherhood. My ex was deported while I was 17 and pregnant with our second son. Now I am 33 and my oldest just had a daughter 😮 Long story short, I have achieved a degree in robotics and my sons are thriving. Ladies, WE CAN DO IT ❤❤❤
thank you for sharing your story
I’m so happy to hear about your amazing story, my sister has a similar story and raised two of the most amazing kids, and she’s doing great herself. But degree in robotics!! Congratulations! You’ve accomplished a lot!! Ladies you can definitely do it! And their are Men like Saint Jospeh out there :)
@@CatholicCanadianConservative
Yes, women are very capable of being the best moms! 🥰
I actually dropped out of high school in 9th grade. After my 2 kids began attending preschool I went for my GED. Then, years later i went to college. So worth it!
so inspiring. thank you for sharing
@@ceejay331
Thank you
Pro Choicer: "I'm going to veto this question."
Also Pro choicer 5 secs later: "I am so passionate about getting my voice into this discussion."
Pro Choicer: "An abortion procedure is not an act of violence"
Also a Pro Choicer: "Pictures of an abortion procedure is violence against women because it's showing them what they're doing to their babies."
Then she managed to accuse the pro life side of spinning the “hamster wheel” while she couldn’t answer the most basic and fundamental questions on the topic, she did this several times.
She forfeited the debate with that response. She realized she couldn’t answer the question without making her argument look absolutely look ridiculous so she simply gave up. Honestly I felt embarrassed for her
Brenda continues to dork up.
Who veto’s questions during a debate? Brenda should be disqualified from the debate as she did this multiple times
“I admittedly don’t know….” -Brenda. Constantly. This was extremely annoying to listen to. I don’t know how this woman has grown a following
I’m confused. I don’t think saying you masturbated at 3 is a good argument to teach sexual comprehension to young kids. Something about that screams trauma and not normal curiosity
It is normal though. Most children do it.
@@joannajett2524absolutely not normal! Alfred Kinsey a sick sexologist that worked with child rapist to prove that children can consent to sex and orgasim, also thought it was normal. Rapist were raping and molesting their own children to be part of this sick resreach. Absolutely disgusting of you to think this.
@joannajett2524 but the children do not associate it with sex, and not all children masterbate young. Each child develops at a different rate, so teaching sex at one certain age, doesn't make sense.
@@societaldecay Yeah, but it is still normal curiosity and not trauma as OP claims.
It does make sense to teach things according to the usual development of children, like teaching about puberty before it starts. Of course some will develop earlier and some later, that's unavoidable.
If it is "normal" then it doesn't need be taught. If she did it at 3 then she didn't need to be taught. I'm disgusted that they would even call it masterbation. Kids are curious and it is normal to be curious about their bodies. It is not sexual. It's predatory in my opinion for an adult that is not a parent or guardian to talk to such a young minor about "masterbating" and even touching themselves. It's awkward as a teenager to be talked to by a teacher about sex, I can't imagine being a 1st grader laughing about butts and a teacher talking to me about masterbating. The fact that she feels no shame in agreeing with that is TERRIFYING. Calling it predatory is not a fear tactic, that is what it is! You are asking parents and children to turn off their instinctual alarms to "normalize" these conversations in schools with children.
I feel like both these women are convincing me to be pro-life.
😊😂😂😂 seriously.
The truth just resonates differently
The fact that Brenda is having such a difficult time supporting her views from the beginning makes her so much harder to side with.
Fetus is not a person.
Gymnastic olympics at its best. Mandatory DNA testing for sure for you. Just take accountability for your actions and stop lying
Brenda saying that a soul begins at conception but a life doesn’t begin until 23ish weeks might be the dumbest shit I have ever heard. 😂
i had to pause and sit for a second bc i was baffled lmaoo
im like 5 minutes in to cehck the comments, and this made me laugh out loud 😆
Depends what you are calling life. Its life sure. Its not human life until birth.😊
The trees are alive, but nobody is coming to put in in prison because I chopped a tree down last week. See that difference?
@@firefly9838Trees aren’t sentient or sapient beings with protective human rights. Don’t embarrass yourself in these comments trying to equate cutting down trees with terminating a *human* life.
Shes not really that bright as I'm still watching and it's only an hour in.
I'm still back on where she thought the violent images shouldn't be shared. Sure because you aren't supposed to actually find out what abortion actually does.
Slave owners also dehumanized slaves in their quest to keep them. Interestingly enough they were also the liberals, democrats
If you haven't read "the Negro Project " Margaret Sangers eugenics program.
I still haven't heard her explain why we aren't emphasizing the at least a dozen types of birth control readily available and free in most towns if you can get to a clinic
I had a horrible childhood. Wretched. I was suicidal and wished i was never born. I was in fostercare i married my huband who was in fostercare for his entire life. His childhood was even worse than mine. When we got together we were homeless and starving. The only fanily available to us didnt love us or was dead from drug overdose. It took a long time to finally get back on our feet. With the help of government funded programs therapy and god im solid on my feet. Im not afraid of life anymore.
Now im happy to be alive. My life is hard but im tough bc of it and resilient. My husband is happy to be here and alive.
It breaks my heart that someone would want me dead as an unborn baby or as a fetus bc they thought the world wasnt qualified enough for me...... Dont underestimate me or future children like that..... We're alot stronger than prochoicers give us credit for.
It would have been selfish of my mother to abort me sinply because she felt sje couldnt provide. The reality is there are plenty of options for adotpion or fostercare. Fostercare isnt always a bad thing like a lot of people make it out to be. Yeah fostercare is hard especially for ones with irrisponsible care givers that are abusive. But it doesnt mean someone should die just because life is hard for them.
I agree with Lila we as communities need to take responsibility for the children who arent aborted. We need to focus on resources for them. There are resources available im loving proof of that. My 2 beautiful neices and 1 beautiful nephew were put into fostercare to then be adopted 3 years later. Theyre happy and full of life. Its hard for them but its not unworthy or impossible for them to live. And they dont want to die.
Thank you for sharing your story. Yours is an important one so that folks can see that what you are born into doesn't define your entire life. ❤
Are you a vegetarian, too?
I've decided it's wrong to eat meat because animals are sentient, thinking, feeling, emoting beings. They form bonds, learn routines, recognize faces. Pigs are as intelligent as 3-year-old children! It's immoral & unethical to oppress them, exploit them, and murder them. It's irresponsible to pollute the environment exponentially more because of the waste of millions of cows raised for slaughter. Those are my beliefs, which are justified and valid. Should I be able to _force you_ to be a vegetarian? Or, should I live according to my beliefs & allow you to do the same?
The rule to this debate is that if both people can't agree on when life begins, you're not going to be able to even begin discussing any other aspects of the issue.
100% true!
I had a forced abortion, my body betrayed me. You say that was a miscarriage… but the doctors referred to my sons birth as “spontaneous abortion “ I named my son Michael, meaning “one who is like God”. Michael lived for eight hours, he weighed 12 ounces. Michael was perfect, except for his underdeveloped lungs. He was a real baby, my first child, and I still miss him.
God bless you, Barbara. Praying for you.
I’m so sorry
I had a ruptured ectopic pregnancy (I was told it was IMPOSSIBLE for me to get pregnant) and ended up in the er with them telling me I’m 12 weeks in and internally bleeding. They put me under for emergency surgery and when I woke up and asked where the baby was the doctor said “in the trash it’s medical waste”. I know that my baby was already not alive at the time of entering the er, it wasn’t “viable” but it didn’t feel like a “miscarriage” it felt like an abortion. I’m with you Barbara and lending my heart and hugs to you. You’re not alone.
Oh Mary I am so sorry 😢 The Lord did bless me with a son, it was touch and go for most of my pregnancy, but he survived and is now 38 years old! God is 😊
God bless you. May you be joined with your son again in heaven (in His time)❤
My mother was raped. She kept me. I have 5 kids and we are so happy. I was human. I was treated as a human not a rape. Even if she would have delivered me and gave me away I would have all respect for her.
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God bless your mother
I’m happy you’re here and your loving mother decided to keep you ❤
God is with you and your mom
That’s YOU. I know a girl who was the product of rape and her mother became an addict after and beat and neglected her child because she resented her so much. Stop comparing your situation to other peoples. If I rapist violates your body, you should not have to carry HIS baby and suffer for 9 months with the constant reminder. Having people come up to you asking about your “happy family” and the father, only to have to say “oh no there’s no father I was raped by a stranger at gunpoint”. Anyone who is pro life in this situation is repulsive. You aren’t pro life you’re anti woman.
I naturally conceived twins. When the nurses in the specialists office were doing the scan, they asked if I wanted a selective reduction (abort one of the babies). I was horrified that they would even ask that question!😱
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Twice the kids, twice the resource strain. You must have been rich to just nonchalantly not care or consider sacrificing one to give the other a better life... again unless your so rich it doesn't matter but that isn't mist people.
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Laughable. I'm below the poverty line and would never consider that. No, she doesn't have to be rich.
@@firefly9838 Well, that was my 3rd pregnancy and I ended up having the twins when our oldest was only 3.5 y.o and the second was 2 y.o.
No, we were not rich (still aren't). We live off one income and my husband's income is average middle class. If you think having just twins (not even the other 2) is a big hit on your resources, it is possible that you are living above your means. Most people can figure out how to find more income if it is necessary. Having one of our unborn children killed was NOT an option.
What blows my mind are the mothers that can call themselves “pro-choice”
How can you be pro-choice after hearing that first heartbeat, seeing your baby in those ultrasound appointments, to really getting to see the growth of your baby at that 20 week appointment, to finding out the sex of your baby, to carrying it for 9 months, and then giving birth to he or she (or twins) ?
😢it makes me so sad for all those innocent angels being killed daily.
This world NEEDS JESUS😩
you sound like you’ve lived a very sheltered life.
Are you a vegetarian, too?
I've decided it's wrong to eat meat because animals are sentient, thinking, feeling, emoting beings. They form bonds, learn routines, recognize faces. Pigs are as intelligent as 3-year-old children! It's immoral & unethical to oppress them, exploit them, and murder them. It's irresponsible to pollute the environment exponentially more because of the waste of millions of cows raised for slaughter. Those are my beliefs, which are justified and valid. Should I be able to _force you_ to be a vegetarian? Or, should I live according to my beliefs & allow you to do the same?
Maybe because they actually know what pro-life policies are forcing onto women. Banning abortion just causes more deaths.
Wow. Brenda just made me Pro Life hands down. She made such a contradiction and awful argument for pro choice. I’m disgusted. Definitely Pro Life now. Thanks Brenda for your convincing argument.
Crystal, i think you are thanking Lila on the pro-life side. Brenda is on the pro-choice/abortion side
@@a_lobo i also thought the same thing as you... but if we think carefully what this person has written, it could also mean that Brenda the bad representative of the pro choice as she could not articulate and justify her points very well like the representative of the pro life did, made this person changed his mind and become a pro life.
@@a_lobo what she meant was that Brenda did so poorly advocating for pro-choice that it convinced Crystal opposite of what Brenda wanted to do.
Lila was pro-life (not Brenda)
This is a. Complicated issue. Women who want abortion will try to end the pregnancy her own trying which could even cause death to her. A women may not be capable of caring for a child, for her it may be easier to end the pregnancy than to be pregnant and then give the child up not knowing if properly cared for. Women could be explained how abortion is performed, what ends the life. Some women live in horrible circumstances where there is abuse being done to her physically and emotionally and mentally. The unborn living can experience that too. Some women may even commit suicide so the baby won't have to experience the same thing. Yes there are services to help women but if someone has her hostage and not will allow services given to her, she and the baby will continue to suffer. Why not save the spirit of the baby and send it to heaven before having to endure abuse and trauma..... This is a complicated issue, so it is hard to answer in a few words my view.
I think Brenda is pro choice in order to make her feel better about the guilt she feels over her own abortion. She’s not ready to face her sin. I’ll pray for her healing and that she truly seeks the Lord.
i could not agree more w/ this!! let’s keep her in prayer for all the hurt she’s endured but also to open her eyes to the truth!! God is not grey. God is pro-life otherwise He wouldn’t have created us & sent His Son (who was attempted to be aborted by Herod, the king at the time), Jesus to save us all from this broken world!! I think that’s also what Brenda is missing, this is a broken world so we can fix anything w/out understanding of who gave us life in the first place❤️
I’ve had this thought about a lot of the loudest pro choice women out there. I feel bad for them.
A pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25).
@@geewhiz747 you're applying modern day understanding of the human family compared to the Bible, lol. In the Bible, the Bible is very clear that the man is head of the house and the protector and provider of his family. It's a role hence why compensation was paid to the husband. It's not because his wife was property, it's because whatever happens to his wife and kids is HIS problem. If you're confused with that, argue with your liver or don't quote what you do not know ❤❤
The whole story of the Bible is how humanity fell, and God came back for us to reunite us with him.
The fallen people in exodus did plenty of wrong, they hadn't been redemmed yet. They hadn't received the holy spirit, they hadn't repented.
A spirit? When you are literally suctioning a body with legs and arms and head out of the body. Tell that to the one who counts body parts. 🤦🏻♀️😞
Covid has proven it was never about "My body my choice"
How so?
@@ThatRedhedd The people who usually screamed my body my choice said nothing about the government violating everyone's bodies by coercing them to take the jab.
Covid showed everyone is a hypocrite. Left, right, lib, christian. Survival is no1, principles are way down the list.
As a black woman born into a low income family, I am glad my mother did not abort me. She was being coerced into doing it but decided not to as she still remembered the pain & guilt from her first abortion. She gave me a chance to live and as a millennial who has established quite the lucrative career in finance, I’m helping my extended family get out of poverty. We are all doing well now. Generally speaking, Americans aren’t born into a caste system, so to think the way we are born are ultimately the way we will die is disheartening. When did we all posses the ability to predict the future of someone else’s life?
Great Point....America’s are not born unto a Caste System
Black women only account for 3% of abortions in the United States
Poverty is absolutely not a reason to not have a baby. The poverty of America also have a lot of wonderful systems I.e. food stamps, wic, free health insurance etc. the only thing a baby needs is love and protection and that intimate care from its parents.
However knowingly having a baby born into possible abuse as a child, known possible sexual abuse as a child, known drug ridden families, yes. If you do not WANT to love your baby, and do not believe you’ll care for your baby, this is not fair to this sweet innocent life to be tortured until 18. The most formative years.
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Oh my Lord! Your comment made me want to shout! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 😊 My mother was also told that she should abort me because I would be a "mongoloid". Yes, I'm gen x. Lol I'm black. I'm so angry at people, who tell those who are of a lower income that they should kill their children as a way to overcome poverty. It's absolutely sickening!!! And may I remind us all that we are in the richest nation on earth! This argument doesn't fly! Millions of immigrants come here and rise to middle class in a single generation (usually in 10 years or less) and manage without abortion, not to have children until they deem it appropriate. There's NO excuse for these arguments. We're no longer looking at reality.
Wants to debate abortion, without knowing what an abortion entails...
Also, I smell trauma from her own abortion. When Lila mentioned it, Brenda seemed off. And the fact that she remembered how long it took is pretty sad. Also, the whole spirit thing is a way for her to cope with it. Saying that the "energy transfers" is much easier to handle that "my child was killed."
Yes praying for the LORD to help her cope with the trauma and decision she made that is God’s only.
Prayers that she will find that her God has made her and all women to be strong enough to say no to sex outside of marriage and also to have and raise a child born into any circumstances.
That’s often the case with vehement pro-choicers. It’s not natural to be an activist for the right to kill babies.
I agree.
I see that too. she convinced herself her abortion was ok and spiritual. She's not ok with it, if she takes off all that fluff.
Agree with that- noticed that also
I had an abortion 4 months into my relationship with my now husband. It was 100% out of fear. I have so much sadness and regret. It’s taken me 7 years to even begin to forgive myself. We now have 2 beautiful healthy children but I will always be 1 less. I don’t take my children for granted at all. I love them even more for the sadness I feel. I am now 100% pro life. Babies deserve to live. Perhaps the circumstances in which they were created was unjust, but that’s not for them to suffer at.
My grandmother was also raped and she fell pregnant to my father. My father didn’t want me and pushed my mom to abort me as well. By many accounts, I shouldn’t be here. But I am.
If you’re someone who’s considering abortion, I beg you to reconsider. You will never truly forgive yourself.
Are you a vegetarian, too?
I've decided it's wrong to eat meat because animals are sentient, thinking, feeling, emoting beings. They form bonds, learn routines, recognize faces. Pigs are as intelligent as 3-year-old children! It's immoral & unethical to oppress them, exploit them, and murder them. It's irresponsible to pollute the environment exponentially more because of the waste of millions of cows raised for slaughter. Those are my beliefs, which are justified and valid. Should I be able to _force you_ to be a vegetarian? Or, should I live according to my beliefs & allow you to do the same?
Jesus is the only way to be saved and enter eternal life, you should join His Catholic Church!
@christsavesreadromans1096 You should except CHRIST as your lord and savior and trust in him alone for the forgiveness of your sins abandon all religion and live according to the BIBLE understand that no one is good except GOD you can’t save yourself by your good deeds only GOD can save you not the catholic priests or any guru only GOD
GOD bless us and save us all
@@chasegibson3653 Jesus gave authority to His apostles to forgive sin (John 20:23), He established the church and gave Peter the keys (Matt 16:18-19), He commanded us to listen to the church (Matt 18:17), and appointed bishops over it to rule it (Acts 20:28), He endowed it with saints and miracles and healers (1 Cor 12:28), He made it the pillar and foundation of the truth (1 Tim 3:15). The church is what I will listen to, just as the Bible teaches.
How do you define violence. Completely avoided the question.
I’ve never been more pro life than I am after listening to this
People each have their own reasons & beliefs - and their beliefs are their defense. My beliefs are just as valid as yours. Neither of us should FORCE our beliefs on everyone else. That's un-American & unconstitutional.
This issue, just like every controversial issue, will never be one we all agree on. I prefer to live in a country thats not divided and polarized. We have to respect each other's beliefs. The only way we can all live in peace & harmony is to live and let live. Do what makes you happy, live according to YOUR beliefs, and allow others the same liberty! Nobody wants someone else's beliefs forced on them.
If you don't believe in abortion, don't have one. If you don't believe in gay marriage, then don't marry someone with the same parts as you. Telling everyone else they can't do what's best for _them_ just because it upsets _you_ is never going to go over well. It just creates conflict.
@@ThatRedheddthats the problem, You think is a believe when is not. K1ll1ng a human is not a believe is just murder, thats the reality,not a believe
@@ThatRedhedddon’t like slavery don’t own one! Right? That’s your logic
I just want to say that at my 19 week anatomy scan we found out my little boy had a cleft lip and palate. The very first thing they said to us was if you want to abort you have until 24 wks here in Virginia and 26 wks in DC. I was completely shocked because otherwise my child was completely healthy. I’m very happy to say he is two years old now and has done so well that EVMS has a video of him here on TH-cam. My son has excelled in everything and the thought that some ppl may abort because they find out their child has a cleft lip and palate is beyond me. These children are just like normal children they don’t deserve death because something they can’t help. Just wanted to share our story ❤️
Just PLEASE don't exploit him or parade him around on social media like Jaxon Buell or the Hartley sisters.
@@hareoutofplace5688 I don’t at all. I don’t post videos on TH-cam and I don’t have any other form of social media. I got off before he was born. I’m against exploiting children. I only did the video for EVMS because they did such a wonderful job with my son and I definitely back their surgeons and teams that help you while pregnant and throughout the years. They were excellent. They were like a second family to us.
I had a similar experience. I was pressured to abort because I had abnormal bleeding and my 15 week quad screen came back as high chance of Down’s syndrome… then my son had a calcium deposit in his heart - and I was told he likely wouldn’t make it to term: I could either abort or deliver a dead baby naturally… atrocious.
Then when I was in labor (at term) my labor didn’t go smoothly - and despite both of us doing well, showing no signs of distress or infection I was told “you can either have a c-section now, or you can have one later and have a sick or dead child”… the ENTIRE OB “maternal care” system is just a horrible anti-woman/anti-child mess that profits off scaring women one way or another.
Regrettably I consented to the c-section, tho I have my doubts about how necessary it was. But I did not consent to anything else they “recommended” (it never really feels like a recommendation - it always feels like “do this or else”)… the only thing I did do was have an echo of his heart to make sure all was well: turns out calcium deposits are pretty normal during gestation for boys -and usually clear up, as his did)… after that horrible experience, I opted out of OB care with my second child. Both children are alive, healthy, and perfect - no thanks to our medical system. SMH. It’s absolutely atrocious how disposable they feel our children are 😞
@@Me-hf4ii yea I was pressured to have a C-section with my first as well…. But it was because he was larger. I tried to go naturally with my second but she wasn’t budging and I was going on 24 hrs of having my water broken and wasn’t opening past 3 cm dilated. Kind of glad I didn’t push her out though she was 9 lbs. 11 oz. 😅
I’m so glad to hear you had healthy happy babies! I don’t trust doctors too much anymore so I’m totally with you on opting out of care
@@brookelefors9613 I'm happy you made the right decision for you and your baby, but I just want to say for anyone else:
My water broke almost immediately as my labor started, it had to leak out slowly because I wasn't yet dilated more than even 1 cm. Even so, my labor lasted 48 hours with active labor taking place only in the last 6 hours. She was born perfectly healthy (though she was not a big ol' 9 pounder, congrats on a big healthy baby!)
Not to you, but to anyone else who reads:
So long as your baby isn't showing signs of distress, you don't need to feel pressured into making decisions. The baby will come on their own time, and in most first world countries, so long as the baby is undistressed and there is no sign of infection, you can go up to 3 days after your water has broken (after that it's generally thought that baby should come out as every day risk of infection increases, but even then you should make whatever decision feels right for you and your baby, with proper monitoring you could try to continue natural labor or you may choose surgical delivery).
I just wanted to put this out there.
For you, Brooke, congrats on your growing family! However a baby comes into the world, it is always a joyous occasion.
Brenda wants to talk about everything BUT abortion during a debate about abortion 🤦🏼♀️
She wanted to talk about the causes of abortion and how to decrease abortion rates.
How does the question "do you believe is always wrong to commit intentional violence to an innocent human being?" is so hard to answer? Is basically a yes or no question
Yeah it just sounds like such an incriminating question. Pro choice people think that if they answer "no" then they instantly lose the debate, but even with that admission the debate is far from over.
@@SarhaCx A miscarriage is very different from an abortion. If abortions happened by nature and not purposefully, nobody would be mad, but we don’t agree with abortions because they end a life on purpose! It doesn’t matter if chemically an abotion looks like a miscarriage. An abortion ends a life on purpose (murder).
So yes, the government should help stop murder, even if it means going against some people’s wishes. The government needs to step in to stop a lot of atrocious things.
Also, the uterus was made to be borrowed by a fetus. That’s is main purpose. In that way, it’s different from other organs. How can you say it’s better to kill a baby that’s already alive than have a mother let her baby borrow her uterus for 10 months?
And when a woman has consensual sex, they are essentially giving consent to becoming pregnant. Nature doesn’t care whether the person wants the baby or not, so we must always know it’s a possibility and be okay with that before having sex. Most women who get abortions are not victims of rape, btw, where that consent was never a factor.
It is, but it's unrelated to the topic until proven otherwise. Which makes it confusing and tricky.
@@joannajett2524 How is unrelated and what is confusing about it?
@@carolinaibarrolabarbara5095 Because that's not what abortion is.
I appreciate Brenda not acting like most pro choice angry and rude she has a heart I hope she finds the truth and becomes pro life.
i as well was incredibly grateful for her calm(er) character. i’m so tired of the immediate anger lashing and cursing towards anyone against their beliefs. like the episode of lila on dr phil? girl in the stands was losing it lolol
@@anabsanchez14 It was so difficult to watch that episode. People like those just makes me want to avoid any conversation with them.
@@tiffannyranger8134 i hear ya!!! totally
I've lost all hope for Brenda tbh
I think that Lila made some good headway and opened Brenda’s eyes A LOT, and paved the way for Brenda to change her mind. I hope this is true and I hope down the line, Brenda does
Brenda appeared confused and got lost multiple times, and
that's what she said. She had a hard time justifying her points because it was undeniably difficult. in contrast, Lila was confident all through out and prepared to explain particular issues about abortion.
She was deflecting. There is no case for abortion.
I couldn't watch more than 60 minutes because of how ignorant her arguments were and she kept contradicting herself.
I liked the question veto
If she would have answered the questions straight forward, she would have sounded so bad, so she had to talk around it - just words, and that is how she got lost. Abortion is killing a living human being. Period. An unwanted baby can always be adopted. Just let it have a chance at life.
Yeah that’s what happens when you’re feeling are your foundation instead of facts.
Lots of talk of “mouse wheeling” but due to lack of substantial argument she was falling into it.
Brenda tried to sound articulate, but had a few quite arrogant comments which have surprised me, such like "her whole life is revolved around that". Lila is such an elegant and smart woman. I really applaud and admire her. I was shocked Brenda actually responded that it is better for children not to exist that to be born poor or given to an orphanage. Every life has dignity, always. No matter circumstances.
Brenda’s argument seems more like a failed attempt at regurgitating info she’s heard rather than truly understanding the words coming out of her mouth
I see Brenda virtue signaling by bringing up assault rifles and other extremes to generate an inflammatory response, but Lila is responding with facts and not addressing the false equivalencies or misinformation. That's why she won the debate.
How are those not the same as showing dead pictures of fetuses? Lol that was literally her point in bringing that up
@@heatherromero7750 Brenda admitted she wasn't aware of what occurred during second trimester abortions. The pictures were relevant to the conversation because she needed to know.. Brenda whining about guns wasn't relevant..
@@heatherromero7750most people know (or can certainly visualise) what happens to a child shot with an assault rifle
Most people don't know (or worse, don't _care_ to know) what an abortion actually involves so misguidedly think it's 'ok'
There is your difference
It's not a false equivalency. Brenda was debating the causes of abortions, while Lila was debating the morality of abortion.
Her: “I don’t want to bring a baby into the world where it might die!” Also her: *kills it*
@@LoveGodLovePeople896 How old was the baby?
I’m- 😭
@@LoveGodLovePeople896 There is no comment with the age. Just say it
She’s silly. Upper middle class white woman that’s probably never experienced true violence ever is going to excuse abortion for things that will likely never happen to her lol silly
Good point😢
This pro-choice woman is bitter. She fights ugly with bias the entire time. No effort to listen. Her use of “pregnant people” is also intentional.
Summary: “I feel” versus “the truth is.”
A friend of mine experienced an unexpected pregnancy. I went with her to her doctors appointments as the father was mostly uninvolved. At the first appointment and at many appointments after, the doctor encouraged her to consider abortion. The baby was healthy, the mom had support and resources available. The doctor’s only argument was that she was not in a committed relationship with the father and would be a single mom. The doctor emphasized repeatedly how difficult this would be and kept pushing abortion even though my friend never asked for that option and repeatedly responded that she planned to remain pregnant. I was disgusted.
This is extremely concerning. Terrible doctor.
Time for a new doctor
Wow. Yes, totally unprofessional.
We are not to give any opinion outside of medical advice.
So awful and sadly, not uncommon.
This is exactly what i experienced. I was 18, single and broke. So the walk-in doctor i got to see was very persistent. I am very glad i left her and got my OBGYN who had deliveted me 18 years prior
I used to be very pro-choice. I appreciate debates like this that really show how weak the actual arguments for abortion are. I am now proudly pro-life!
"i am now proudly pro--life""
So what...
Nothing special happened....
Nothing of any importance...
Abortion is still legal and available to 70% of the American people....
When women’s life and mental or physical health is in danger - they need choice over their own body.
That is wonderful news. God bless you
People each have their own reasons & beliefs - and their beliefs are their defense. My beliefs are just as valid as yours. Neither of us should FORCE our beliefs on everyone else. That's un-American & unconstitutional.
This issue, just like every controversial issue, will never be one we all agree on. I prefer to live in a country thats not divided and polarized. We have to respect each other's beliefs. The only way we can all live in peace & harmony is to live and let live. Do what makes you happy, live according to YOUR beliefs, and allow others the same liberty! Nobody wants someone else's beliefs forced on them.
If you don't believe in abortion, don't have one. If you don't believe in gay marriage, then don't marry someone with the same parts as you. Telling everyone else they can't do what's best for _them_ just because it upsets _you_ is never going to go over well. It just creates conflict.
@@ThatRedhedd Lame moral relativism. What you are saying is the equivalent of “if you think stealing is bad, don’t steal, just don’t force your beliefs on me”
Did she talked about gun violence to justify the killing of a human life 🤔… I don’t get it
She was talking about the reasons why people seek abortions.
She was deflecting. She thinks if we are against abortion we should be against gun violence first. But we are opposed to both, and more.
@@JessicaNoelle. Talking about the reasons why people get abortions is not deflecting.
Nope Joanna.. Atleast twice, she skirted questions about abortion to bring it back to gun violence. Because she believes gun violence is the #1 killer of children. And to kill your baby because you're afraid he/she may grow up to experience gun violence is idiotic, delusional and it's murder. You don't kill people because you're afraid of the fate they may experience. To even think that can be an excuse is proof of a debased mind.
If the unborn aren't human, no justification is required. However, if the unborn are human, no justification is sufficient.
Is the pregnant person human? Should she have less rights than an embryo? Because that's what an abortion ban means.
@@joannajett2524 Abortion ban means no one has the right to an abortion. Embryo or otherwise.
Proud to be a Catholic Christian and proud that Lila represents the Church's stance on this issue. She is a force.
She slays every debate
Catholics aren't real christians. but it's nice to know you are pro life
Are you a Catholic or a Christian? Can’t serve two masters
“Swindlers and scoundrels talk out of both sides of their mouths. They wink at each other, they shuffle their feet, they cross their fingers behind their backs. Their perverse minds are always cooking up something nasty, always stirring up trouble. Catastrophe is just around the corner for them, a total wreck, their lives ruined beyond repair. Here are six things God hates, and one more that he loathes with a passion: eyes that are arrogant, a tongue that lies, hands that murder the innocent, a heart that hatches evil plots, feet that race down a wicked track, a mouth that lies under oath, a troublemaker in the family. Good friend, follow your father’s good advice; don’t wander off from your mother’s teachings. Wrap yourself in them from head to foot; wear them like a scarf around your neck. Wherever you walk, they’ll guide you; whenever you rest, they’ll guard you; when you wake up, they’ll tell you what’s next. For sound advice is a beacon, good teaching is a light, moral discipline is a life path. They’ll protect you from promiscuous women, from the seductive talk of some temptress. Don’t lustfully fantasize on her beauty, nor be taken in by her bedroom eyes. You can buy an hour with a prostitute for a loaf of bread, but a promiscuous woman may well eat you alive. Can you build a fire in your lap and not burn your pants? Can you walk barefoot on hot coals and not get blisters? It’s the same when you have sex with your neighbor’s wife: Touch her and you’ll pay for it. No excuses. Hunger is no excuse for a thief to steal; When he’s caught he has to pay it back, even if he has to put his whole house in hock. Adultery is a brainless act, soul-destroying, self-destructive; Expect a bloody nose, a black eye, and a reputation ruined for good. For jealousy detonates rage in a cheated husband; wild for revenge, he won’t make allowances. Nothing you say or pay will make it all right; neither bribes nor reason will satisfy him.”
Proverbs 6:12-35 MSG
bible.com/bible/97/pro.6.12-35.MSG
Wasn’t it said that in the Bible, life begins with the first breath? 💀
I am a 26 year old woman. I was 19 years old when I got an abortion. This pregnancy came from the detriment of hookup culture. As a more religious woman now I see that I was not acting in the light of god by agreeing to hand over my body so readily to men I would not have procreated with if I had the option. I was broken in a broken culture and that culture also made me feel like the only choice I had was to pay some money rather than give up my life. I really wish I would have considered it more but my brain wasn’t developed. I wasn’t mature. Despite this I wish I would have had my child bc they would be 6 years old. I will never not think of them as my first child and I feel guilt and sadness.
I hope you know there is forgiveness and healing in Christ Jesus ❤ regret and sadness is a normal reaction to have to that experience but the devil wants you to be stuck in guilt and condemnation, that is not God’s will for you!
Thank you for sharing this.
Have you been connected to post-abortive counseling? Lots of women from my church have gone through these programs and they are life changing to find the healing you need. ❤
God loves you and forgives you. Your powerful testimony can be used to reach others. Many blessings!
I really want to commend you for coming to this conclusion. I will pray for you to our Heavenly Father, stay strong ❤
@@riley_4630 I have not. It’s more recently I’ve found religion and honed in on what values matter to me. I value the information you’ve given me and will look into this :-)
Adoption has become so difficult and expensive. I have a family member who has been try to adopt for years and the furtherest they've gotten is fostering. We need to make adoption easier as well as working on banning adortion
“Comprehensive sex Ed” and “five years old” are two phrases I NEVER want to hear used together
Fellow pro-lifers (and anyone really) don’t forget to pray for Lila. She needs prayer warriors as the enemy must hate her. Pray for Lila 🙏🏻 . Lord please continue to guide, protect and use Lila. Please continue to give her your words so that she may speak truth into those that are confused. Please provide her with protection and many blessings as she is truly fighting for human rights of your most susceptible beloved children.
THIS!!!!
Amen 🙏🏾
AMEN
Amen 🙏🏼
I thought about this recently. How much dark forces must despise what an absolute radiant force she is for is in this fight. God bless her and her family. ❤
I am so happy to have found this episode. I came into this thinking I was pro-choice and left knowing I'm pro-life.
I've decided it's wrong to eat meat because animals are sentient, thinking, feeling, emoting beings who form bonds, recognize faces, communicate with each other, and show affection. It's immoral & unethical to oppress them, exploit them, and murder them. Those are my beliefs & they're justified. They're valid. Should I be able to _force you_ to be a vegetarian? Or, should I live according to my beliefs & allow you to do the same?
This issue, just like every controversial issue, will never be one we all agree on. I prefer to live in a country that's not divided & polarized. We have to respect each other's beliefs. The only way we can all live in peace & harmony is to live and let live. Do what makes you happy, live according to YOUR beliefs, and allow others the same liberty! Nobody wants someone else's beliefs forced on them.
I would absolutely ban the killing of animals because I am confident they deserve life and are not ours to dominate and oppress. However, telling everyone else they can't follow _their_ beliefs just because it upsets _you_ is never going to go over well. It just creates conflict.
The fact that she said the images were violent but the act of abortion was not….
Brenda came to an abortion debate wanting to talk about anything BUT abortion. She got so annoyed whenever the Conversation was brought back to the topic at hand. That says a lot right there. Can’t defend the indefensible.
Yes, every time she answers it's some off topic thing.
She was deflecting a lot. . . while saying nothing 😑 I'm glad Lila was there
Being pro-choice _is defensible_ insomuch as people each have their own reasons & beliefs - and their beliefs are their defense. My beliefs are just as valid as yours. Neither of us should FORCE our beliefs on everyone else. That's un-American & unconstitutional.
This issue, just like every controversial issue, will never be one we all agree on. I prefer to live in a country thats not divided and polarized. We have to respect each other's beliefs. The only way we can all live in peace & harmony is to live and let live. Do what makes you happy, live according to YOUR beliefs, and allow others the same liberty! Nobody wants someone else's beliefs forced on them.
If you don't believe in abortion, don't have one. If you don't believe in gay marriage, then don't marry someone with the same parts as you. Telling everyone else they can't do what's best for _them_ just because it upsets _you_ is never going to go over well. It just creates conflict.
Kindly, does your line of logic hold true if you considered other beliefs you did'nt mention? For example: If you don't like slavery, don't own a slave, if you don't like grape, don't grape, if you don't like child abuse, don't abuse your child. Should we respect the beliefs of those who think its ok to grape, own a slave, abuse children? No of course not. It's crucial we defend those who can't defend themselves, which is what the pro-life movement is attempting to do....defend the human life of the unborn which science has proven is a living, growing human being from conception. Take care. @@ThatRedhedd
Well she wanted to talk about the causes of abortions and how to actually prevent them. Instead, she was forced to defend a procedure she views as tragic (her words), as many pro-choicers often are. You'd be annoyed too.
I love how Lila tried to make sure that she understood Brenda's position on the issue rather than just explaining her own position.
Lila was so kind and mature on this matter. I’m so glad we have her to be an activist. She handled the situation so positively and politely. We need more people like her to share her information and show common sense. Brenda isn’t bad either. They handled the conversation very maturely and I’m glad I got to see this because it shows me that it is possible for people with opposing views to not get into a hateful screaming match. I personally am a pro life person, but my goal is to not hate anyone for their opinions because the truth will come to everyone at one point and when that comes, we will all be educated on what it was. There’s no need for a “I told you so” moment either. Just kindness and love from yourself and God is all we need, and we’ll get places
This Brenda lady saying her abortion was a "spiritual experience." God forgive her; she knows NOT what she does, or in this case, says.
I think it’s really scary how Brenda is convinced she is a christian.
YES YES YES YES. THANK YOU.
Seriously! And im sorry but you’re not a Christian if you’re pro choice. Idc what ppl say. You cannot kill someone for your “convenience.”
Totally.
So do I
I think it's even scarier that you think you have the right judge whether someone's a Christian or not.
Almost forgot Lila was the Pro-Life side for a second with the way she murdered this debate!
😂😂😂💯💯💯
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
She's disgusting, which is afforded by her privileges, and she does not represent the majority actually affected by adversity. Have some more wine because we all know white people love Alcohol amnesia. Her aggressive overtalking is likely present outside of debates, and I'm sure it's fun being in her family
😂 yes!
I tip my hat off to you. Bravo.
So Brenda isn’t actually a Christian. She just likes the label.
When Brenda says this was a waste of her time ( I do know that she corrected herself) but that remark alone turned me off to her willingness and openness to have a conversation with Lila.
Very off putting that she seemed annoyed with being challenged on her views when she agreed to do this sit down debate.
Shame on Lila Rose for claiming to be pro-life and then proceeding to MURDER Brenda “I’m not educated on this enough” Davies in this debate! 😭
Lmao!!
😂😂
Its NOT Lila's fault that Brenda is confused about what she believes and WHY. That's Brenda's responsibility to know her WHY she believes in what she believes. ❤
😂😂😂😂
No way 😂😂😂
I walked into this conversation as a pro-life person, and my opinion has not changed after watching this video. In fact, I’m even more confident in my pro-life position.
Lord to see women ok being baby killers baffle me
You also used to believe in Santa. 🤣Ya'll all the same
@@hubbyhaqq9802 at least we don't kill baby's bc it's a choice u can make
this is honestly scary the women don’t want other women to choose whether not to keep it. it’s scary women don’t want people to have a choice. what about rape?? incest?? forced pregnancy isn’t ok
@@jjprentiss9192 exactly!
I love how Brenda says "women" and then later changes it to "pregnant people". If you want to be "politically correct" you have to do so consistently.
No, you don't. You just have to try. Nobody's perfect.
@@ThatRedheddThe only people who can get pregnant are women.
She hasn’t gotten over the guilt of her own abortion. It’s obvious how she’s defending this.
A lesson here is that not everyone should represent their positions in public if one hasn't thoroughly studied and debated the opposition's view in private.
Perfect way to word it
The whole pro-choice argument is incoherent. She's answering honestly.
1000% I've watched and revisited this video several times over the last few days. I was understanding where Brenda was trying to go, but she wasn't armed with data/statistics/facts and struggled to argue her point.
@@nflama that's because her position is incoherent. No amount of data/statistics/facts would have helped her case.
Completely agree. I am surprised about the amount of opinion and feelings that were coming from the pro choice side. I think it would have been beneficial if she had taken the time to do some research. I was very impressed with the opposing sides facts and clear concise and factual statements. I learned a lot from here that I wasn't aware of. She made many valid points.
Best part is you know Lila is praying for Brenda. Lila is a gift to human kind.
WALKING SAINT!!!!
It's bad news for all women when any country lets women be treated like second class citizens or worse, as objects.
It's really bad news when a major country that produces so much media that the rest of the world consumes goes backwards on women's rights.
If the lack of abortion access doesn't kill you, giving birth just might. There's also always the risk of being murdered by a cop or incel mass shooter. Don't worry, even if you survive it all, the medical bills will leave you homeless. Good luck with the hostile architecture!
Also, I'm sure that Republicans want the female population miserable. Not only can they control them easier, but it satisfies their sadistic desires. They've always wanted to hurt people without consequences, and with this money and power, they can.
Lila is eligible for Sainthood, FACTS
The same people who oppose abortion:
Allow 3,000 child deaths yearly by firearms.
Let 9 million kids lose healthcare
Are separating kids and parents through deportation
Refuse help to refugee families seeking safety
Want to cut free school lunch programs
They're not pro-life, they're just pro-birth.
Pro-choice sounds like excuses for women to have sex and not think about the consequences.
Why should only women think of the consequences?
My doctor suggested, in fact PRESSURED, abortion with my 3rd because she was supposed to be born with a rare genetic disorder that would slowly kill her. I did not get the abortion. She is beautiful and HEALTHY. No disorder. A completely normal baby. And even if she wasn’t, I would love her the same.
Came as pro life….leaving as pro life. 🙏🏼💕
The fact that we are still discussing Roe Vs. Wade is disheartening. What happened? Is humanity regressing? The 99% increase is terrible. Obviously domestic violence already has been an issue. Yet such a sharp increase clearly demonstrates exactly what was expected. Used as a weapon against a person/people facing a very important and sometimes difficult decision.
This is not even about gender. It’s about morality and how we shape the narrative of personal choice. I could have told the mother of my children I did not want them. It is was always her choice, not mine. I am proud of my children and love them immensely. I wanted children also, but it was not my choice. I’m glad she chose to be a mother.
Yet again, it was her choice, not mine. These motherfuckers who think they can manipulate a woman into bearing their seed need grow up well beyond a sense of morals and awareness beyond the self.
Came as pro choice, leaving as pro choice ✍🏼
Same here ❤
Same - Brenda lost me in the first 15 minutes - it's really NOT complicated
The pro-life position is concrete, 'pro-choice' is all over the place
I find that they can't/won't directly answer questions because they know they will contradict themselves all the time
@@astroterf. What is concrete about a faulty position? I can directly answer you any question....that you dont understand them is a problem you can try to fix or I can....Tell me, how do you consider it pro life to control someone elses life? Are you a farmer? Are women your cows? Is that better than letting people decide for themself?
Brenda spoke about 2x more than Lila but I don’t remember anything specifically great she said. Mainly Brenda was talking in circles, contradicting herself, and when cornered and challenged on things she literally just said a few minutes prior, Brenda just laughs or goes back to an irrelevant talking point.
Lila was composed, sincere, genuine, grounded in her morals and belief, and had facts. Most importantly, Lila was consistent. It almost seemed unfair and at some point I actually pitied Brenda.
Well done, Lila! And thank you, Ellen! Pro -Life Always ❤
I've decided it's wrong to eat meat because animals are sentient, thinking, feeling, emoting beings who form bonds, recognize faces, communicate with each other, and show affection. It's immoral & unethical to oppress them, exploit them, and murder them. Those are my beliefs & they're justified. They're valid. Should I be able to _force you_ to be a vegetarian? Or, should I live according to my beliefs & allow you to do the same?
This issue, just like every controversial issue, will never be one we all agree on. I prefer to live in a country that's not divided & polarized. We have to respect each other's beliefs. The only way we can all live in peace & harmony is to live and let live. Do what makes you happy, live according to YOUR beliefs, and allow others the same liberty! Nobody wants someone else's beliefs forced on them.
I would absolutely ban the killing of animals because I am confident they deserve life and are not ours to dominate and oppress. However, telling everyone else they can't follow _their_ beliefs just because it upsets _you_ is never going to go over well. It just creates conflict.
did she say God ordered abortion in the bible? Guys, please guide me to the verse
Hi nurse here at an obgyn unit . We can hear a heart beat at 6-8 weeks .. baby is visible at 8 weeks . Brenda is missed informed unprepared and lost. She needs prayer
Lila is an Esther for this generation! A voice for the voiceless
Yes, Amen! God bless her and God bless you!
I rly like this analogy ❤
She's not that good....
I first heard of her around 2009, 14 years ago...
And in those 14 years there were about 13 million abortions....
Whom might Esther be?
@@letsalllovelein
Esther Williams?
I was 19 when I became pregnant, I very nearly had an abortion, appointment booked and all, thank God I changed my mind. So many women choose abortion out of fear of the unknown, we should be reminding women how STRONG and POWERFUL they are, not encouraging them to give into fear and misinformation. My daughter is now 3, I'm not very well off and I am currently working towards a degree, but I have never had more purpose and meaning in my life, life can be hard, but I regret nothing, the future is bright and my daughter is beautiful.
I love this so much! Thank you for sharing. I wish journeys like your were elevated more often!!!
All power and best of luck to you and your lovely daughter ❤🙏🏻
Yes! Mothers who give birth don't ever wish they aborted their child, but so many mothers regret having an abortion and never being able to see their child's face!
Amen 💜💜💜
amen!
I used to be pro choice before becoming more educated on abortion and the causes to push women towards abortion. This is a good conversation thanks for the unbiased moderating.
I mean sure pushing women towards abortion is bad but pro life will FORCE women to keep a pregnancy. Forcing abortion=bad, forcing birth=bad
@@loka-chan6695 you can't force birth, it's a natural result. If they have sex, they consent to the potential results of their actions, which is childbirth. The idea that it's forced is just silly.
Non consensual sex is where it's a bit different tho.
I've decided it's wrong to eat meat because animals are sentient, thinking, feeling, emoting beings who form bonds, recognize faces, communicate with each other, and show affection. It's immoral & unethical to oppress them, exploit them, and murder them. Those are my beliefs & they're justified. They're valid. Should I be able to _force you_ to be a vegetarian? Or, should I live according to my beliefs & allow you to do the same?
This issue, just like every controversial issue, will never be one we all agree on. I prefer to live in a country that's not divided & polarized. We have to respect each other's beliefs. The only way we can all live in peace & harmony is to live and let live. Do what makes you happy, live according to YOUR beliefs, and allow others the same liberty! Nobody wants someone else's beliefs forced on them.
I would absolutely ban the killing of animals because I am confident they deserve life and are not ours to dominate and oppress. However, telling everyone else they can't follow _their_ beliefs just because it upsets _you_ is never going to go over well. It just creates conflict.
@@Aunt-BNo, consent is not implied if they took steps to prevent pregnancy. They will still have an abortion if they want one. Women can do that with a coat hanger. Is that preferable?
@@ThatRedhedd you make a very valid argument with what you're saying here. Your argument did make me think a little bit, because what you're saying is very true. However, we are omnivores. While I disagree with the methods that are used for meat production and even to an extent if they are too intelligent I would shy away from eating them, I think that because we are omnivores and we are contributing to the cycle of life. Even though you believe that animals are sentient beings, which I agree with, that doesn't stop other animals from eating those animals, and we, just like other animals are animals. So while I see what you're saying, I think that because that is how we function as humans to get nourishment to live healthy lives it would definitely be an infringement on peoples health to force them to stop.
However with abortion, we are stopping a natural function. For (usually) no reason other than because it is inconvenient. Our bodies naturally acclimate to pregnancy and naturally know how to give birth, it is also a natural occurrence in life just like the eating of meat. I am anti-abortion because I believe that because this is an individual that has resulted from an action that creates life, that they should have every protection that we give other humans with a heartbeat brain activity and feeling. It is not a liberty to kill another human unless in defense of your own life.
i used to be pro choice and when i became pro life i got harrassed by my peers and got online death threats sent to me, that's how i know i'm on the right side.
I'm exhausted of people like Brenda using the foster care system, poverty, abuse, etc... as an excuse for why abortion should exist. All I hear is that she thinks my life is worth less and I should have been aborted because of how my childhood was. My life was incredibly tough and I went through horrible abuse, but I don't think people like me should be her poster children for her views.
Exactly!!
Beautiful to hear you're happy to be alive. ❤ 🙏🏻
Exactly!! I came from poverty and abuse and God still has a plan for me.
Disgusting, discouraging and shallow.
I bet youre life is more valuable than many ❤
I would rather have never been brought into existence
My dad aged out of the foster system. If someone out there decided it was better for him not to live vs being in the foster system, I would not be here. He would be the first to say it wasn't easy but if he was aborted, he would not have met my mom, had me and my siblings, and had his successful career. I hate it when people assume that a baby will have a horrible life just because they have to be in the foster/adoption system. Life is hard, no matter the circumstances, but life is beautiful.
Yes but the foster and group home system in America is filled with abuse and neglect, and that leaves lasting impacts on the human psyche. The pro-life movement never talks about this how getting abused in a system messes you up for life. Trauma is biologically proven to change your brain and I am someone who live through the group home system two times as a kid.. yes life always has challenges, but dealing with abuse is more than just having some trauma as a kid it leaves a lasting impact in a negative way, which prevents you from living a full life for many people
“I admittedly don’t know enough about this” 🤯🤯🤯
Brenda just wants to be taken care of in all ways. She doesn’t want to be responsible for herself or her child. Brenda when someone (the tax payer) is taking care of you that’s not freedom or bodily autonomy. Pregnancy in 99% of the time is preventable. Stop making excuses for poor choices.
That pro abortion lady came SOOO unprepared. Doesn't know any specifics, only came to the interview with her feelings about it... It also seems that she spoke to like 20 people and is now calling herself a representative of those people. She has in front of her a REAL advocate with facts, knowledge, programs, and thousands of people she helps and spoke to. She stood no chance.
The crazy thing is she has a book about this, a pro choice, advocate, and “educates” people on abortion, but clearly in this video, she just plainly doesn’t know anything about abortion. I cannot even call this a debate, the other side, and not even answer questions which were the main topics or issue that was being brought up on this video. Mind blowing.
@@gemmiefythe pro choice movement was built on a house of cards
Are you a vegetarian, too?
I've decided it's wrong to eat meat because animals are sentient, thinking, feeling, emoting beings. They form bonds, learn routines, recognize faces. Pigs are as intelligent as 3-year-old children! It's immoral & unethical to oppress them, exploit them, and murder them. It's irresponsible to pollute the environment exponentially more because of the waste of millions of cows raised for slaughter. Those are my beliefs, which are justified and valid. Should I be able to _force you_ to be a vegetarian? Or, should I live according to my beliefs & allow you to do the same?
Lila came up with her responses in a quick, thoughtful, and educated manner each time. I believe she was able to do this, not only because she’s a great debater, but mainly because what she is saying is the truth. If you’re speaking the truth, you won’t need to skirt around anything, or hesitate, etc., it will just flow.
😅 absolutely. I was confused. She wasn't asked to explain rocket science. I wonder if she believes that truth is subjective, which is why she avoided answering yes or no.
Lila cares more about the financial support that Planned Parenthood is getting than any unborn babies. Greed almost always is a great motivator in a debate. Anyone believing this is about the precious babies I feel sorry for.
@southernbelladonna78
How is Lila greedy? She doesn’t gain anything financially by successfully defunding planned parenthood. And the reason she wants to take away funding for them is because they provide abortions and she wants to stop that, therefore she does care about unborn babies. Defunding them doesn’t put more money in her pocket compared to not defunding them, so I don’t really understand how she’s greedy.
I think the people you should really feel sorry for are the babies killed in abortions every day. Not the ones trying to save them.
@@oliviamathis1057 the real victims are the unwanted babies that will be forced into a life of poverty, deprived of love and proper care and the foster care system for many. Forced birth is not the solution and if you don't understand why, then you aren't far enough into the situation to really know what you are talking about. If you do understand why but still support forcing birth then you're more sadistic then anything and only care about control. That's a LOT of unwanted children, what kind of life do you think they will have when there is still childhood hunger and poverty for the WANTED babies? Seriously, what do you think happens once these precious angels are born? Seriously I would love to hear your solution after you've forced these babies into existence.
@southernbelladonna78
Talking about solutions to providing for unwanted babies is another topic separate from abortion (although it can be related in some aspects), and I’m sure we can both agree that the US and other countries can do better in taking care of those children in unfortunate circumstances.
Do you think killing these children because they may end up in unfortunate situations is the best solution? I don’t think so. I would rather give them a chance at life. If you think abortion is the solution to preventing a child from going into poverty, then why not just kill all the children in poverty right now? They’re suffering, right? And it seems your solution to suffering, or potential suffering, is death. I think the solution is giving people a chance at life and making the system as a whole better so less children are brought into unfortunate circumstances. Killing preborn children is not going to solve anyone’s poverty. We have to find ways to fix poverty in itself instead of just killing preborn children that may be born into it.
i think discussions like this are really powerful in strengthening your opinion. Asking questions about someones POV and explaining your opinion to an opposed party is so helpful in fully understanding what youre supporting. Ive been struggling with knowing what side im on, and i would do anything to have a discussion like this with someone so i can know where i stand.
This poor Brenda girl was so unprepared. She couldn't even answer the most basic questions with facts. Her defense of abortion was all feelings based.
Sadly, Brenda is a good representation of most pro choicers.. when theyre actually forced to sit down and logically defend abortion, they cant explain it and they "keep getting lost"
Exactly, she couldn’t give a concrete answer to a single question. Meanwhile Lila’s answers are more direct and in detail and actually have a solid foundation. You don’t see Lila struggling to answer any questions because it really is that simple. Brenda is trying to make killing a child, or life and death so complex when sometimes it’s just as simple as saying “abortion is in fact killing a human child”
@@brandonherbert4517Yes!!! The “pro-choice” arguments are Satanic, demonic, racist, eugenicist, Nazi, and 💯 % asinine! Life begins at conception! I’m a diehard pro-lifer and an abortion abolitionist! Abortions increase the risk of breast cancer by six times!
@@brandonherbert4517It doesn't matter, autonomy of the body comes first. We don't force people to give up body parts to help others live.
@@aisnow5788 that’s not the first human right that we gain as humans. The first and foremost right we all have as humans. Is the right to life, the right not be killed. Your putting adults choices over every child’s right to live. The most vulnerable people in our society are children. Bodily autonomy is something we gain when we have the capacity to do so. A baby in the womb doesn’t have the ability to make a choice. So it’s not our right to make a choice for them when it’s literally them living or not living. It should not be up to us to if those children get to live or die. Because we already have a system where we chose people’s death, it’s called death row, and we have that for the worst people of society. Why the fuck would we do that to innocent babies in a sense that we are choosing their fate. It’s honestly a very god complex mindset.
@@aisnow5788 and why would we force anyone to give people body parts, when someone needs a transplant it’s most likely someone that just happened to have issues, or someone who made bad choices in their lives that required them to need a transplant of some sort. And as far as transplants, children are at the top of the list, because they are still top priority. So the argument of “we don’t force people to give body parts” that’s a completely different thing and doesn’t really correlate with the actual abortion issue.