Most OG AC fans want Mirage to succeed simply because Ubi Bordeaux and the dev team have demonstrated that not only do they _actually get it,_ but they're willing to learn more about what the fans want. The best case scenario would be Ubi Bordeaux has more time and a bigger budget to fully commit to making a classic AC game (preferably from the ground up, the leftovers from Valhalla in Mirage can be really off-putting)
I want more games like mirage where you're not forced to do side content every 5 mins even though that's a little bit of hyperbole on my part I'd rather they allow me to do the story at my own pace like Mirage and the older games allow. The RPG games make side content too mandatory and too big imo that it just feels like padding the game out or filling a checklist and I can count on 1 or 2 hands memorable side quests from the RPG games.
This. The only people having a problem are those that probably grew up playing the RPG ones. The ones that played from AC1 actually want it to succeed so that the whole 'going back to the roots' approach is ingrained into the minds of those at Ubisoft
What kind of goldfish memory OG AC fan forgets how many different weapons amd kill animations were in a game like Revelations? Where the kills were also brutal asf, like a sword through the skull, and then spin the enemy's head around then pull it out. "OG fans", don't make me laugh.
It’s a good thing Ubisoft listens to the money more than they do the fans. Mirage performing well means we’ll probably see a bigger game in the traditional AC style at some point in the future.
@@frenchfriedbagel7035 listening to the money is the whole reason they started making RPG games. They wanted the same success as Witcher 3. I think they need to listen to money AND fans because the money shows them what has worked, and the fans show them what will work. Fans wanted a game like Mirage, and that has been confirmed by the sales. I think Ubisoft knows that the fanbase is split, and I think they will continue to make both RPG games and stealth action-adventure. Origins sold really well, and it really tried to gracefully introduce us to the RPG genre. Also, Origins had a lot of attention to detail whereas Valhalla ignored that and went full RPG. I think Mirage has the perfect game design, and the only things holding it back are the AI, animations, and occasional bugs. All of those could be vastly improved if/when Bordeaux releases a new AC game. I mean, just look at how much they improved the AI between the 2-weeks-prior-to-launch demo and the game launch. If they can improve it that much over that short time span, then they could really deliver a rock-solid game in the future. I want Hitman-level AI (Hitman's AI has faults but it is the best among stealth games). I want a wider variety of animations that are natural and smooth (namely, Mirage has the issues with pauses in parkour and enemies stopping their task or momentum to be assassinated). People hold those, quite frankly, minor issues against Mirage so ruthlessly. Sure, they may decrease the immersion, but the game is still really good.
The people who criticise it for not being Brotherhood or Black Flag or whatever, those games still exist. Mirage doesn’t remove them from circulation or erase them from physical collections. If you’re that hung up on the game not being something, play the game that is that something.
@@jbcatz5 well those people want new content with the exact same formula as Brotherhood and Black Flag. They want everything to be the same except for story, graphics, and the map.
Thank you for saying exactly what I've been thinking, people are being so negative yet this game is such a massive step forward for the franchise. Its honestly so GOOD.
@@pyrogold1363 That's a good way to operate. Obviously people don't have to like everything but the whole idea of going out of their way to make sure nobody else enjoys it is what irritates me about this game.
@@pyrogold1363 exactly. The "cool to hate" mentality causes content creators to cherry pick footage of rare bugs and say that's what the whole game is like. They also do intentionally bad inputs to make the parkour seem like it doesn't work. You can literally hear in their voices that their confusion about what the character is doing is a forced and fake reaction just for the content. And you have all the sheep who just believe them without watching raw, uncut gameplay.
Honestly everything you said was spot on. People needa understand that if the community shows Ubisoft that the approach of Mirage to stealth and parkour is what they truly want or would like Ubisoft to improve on or build on top of, we need to appreciate the risky step forward instead of complaining the moment we see one flaw in the game and ignoring the thousands of improvements they’ve made
I fail to see what was so risky about MIRAGE. Taking VALHALLA and giving it a classic AC skin to wear while making the open combat a chore that incentivizes people to do stealth instead is not what I call risky. The stealth mechanics are there but they are more for show as they just have as much impact as the previous RPG-style. This is what the community has a problem with. They did not go back to the series roots. They simply took VALHALLA and started jangling keys of old stealth mechanics saying "remember this" and you people come to UBISOFT's defence as it made such an amazing effort to course correct lol
@@NANA-lt6hd you are upset that they included old stealth mechanics? How else would it be back to roots? Also, they did not "simply" take Valhalla and make the combat encourage stealth. They also made a whole new map with plenty of parkour routes and designed bases with stealth in mind.
@@NANA-lt6hd again they are bringing back these new concepts and even new ones I've always wanted, like being overwhelmed in combat. We should be encouraging then to move further in this direction. Nothing wrong with criticism since I have them for this game too, but just saying it's bad will only make then turn back towards the RPGs. You got to treat a company like a dog.
Jay is spitting nothing but facts. Mirage isn’t my fave AC for sure, but it is a breath of fresh air after odyssey and Valhalla. As for the dlc bit, I think Bordeaux could’ve pursued a spin-off as a passion project while corporate only gave it the ok as a cash grab. I think Jay is absolutely right about negative reactions to mirage justifying a doubling down on Valhalla-scale games, and I think Ubi prefers it that way. Mirage gets more money and engagement than it ever could’ve as a Valhalla dlc, and instead of investing further into the things it got right the c-suite points to the reaction to justify pushing micro-transaction laden titles that once again are used as the skeleton for other spin-off titles. My guess is that this is what the future of infinity looks like. instead of major releases like Red having 3+ dlc expansions they get one or two, then a spin-off title that’s just different enough to hold the community over until the next major release changes things up again…and if they’re feeling generous maybe our helix credits become transferable across titles 😆
I agree. I personally prefer the RPGs but I’m not against this type of game either because this was kinda how they all used to be. Also with the games just being regularly released until the next big one is released. I agree with you there. I mean the next games after AC red seem to be good looking games, but simply there to keep people occupied until the next big thing. The main important thing about everything is to evolve with the times and despite how a lot of fans would like to go back to the classic AC, that style is actually becoming old. The stealth is still very popular though. After all, AC helix seems to be something completely different. Also I think it’s probably gonna be in the witch hunts back in Germany. Apologies if the way I wrote this seems complicated.
My understanding is that Hexe is some type of horror/thriller type game? After Mirage I’m definitely willing to keep an open mind for it, and the rumour has me curious how they approach it. For it to work, either Red offers a strong enough foundation to build off of, or Bordeaux is given the chance to do their own thing from scratch. If Red isn’t meaningfully different from Valhalla AND they use the same engine for Hexe, I won’t have high hopes. You’re absolutely right tho, the important thing for Ubi to do is evolve with the audience…I just don’t trust that they want to do that let alone that they’re capable of achieving it
@@assassin8636 yes really. it could have potential to be game of the year but it will be not. next year they can put up a goty version like they did with far cry 6. anyway ubisoft is in downspiral, mirage won´t save them
@@styxinclouds4747 there is no world in which Mirage would’ve ever won GOTY. We’re talking about Ubisoft Bordeaux here. This is their first full-release game, one lacking the time, resources, human capital, and autonomy necessary to do much beyond what they accomplished here. Their passion is obvious through the marketing and the game itself, but Saint-Mandé hamstrung them with the Valhalla engine from the beginning and I guarantee that was intentional.
I'm 12 hours in game. Mirage is game i've waited for 15 years. It has its flaws, but has everything I wanted since then: assassins, arabic setting, parkour, improved stealth. 9/10 because it lacks fluidity, interesting metaphysical story, music i can remember. But overall im really into it. It really is my assassins creed fantasy.
Im 46 hours in to finally finish the last 2 challanges I didn't fast travel and walked or sailed my boat everywhere to really take it all in and it's made me want to do a second playthrough now with aa different playstyle
@@tedskinhead I've had compass, lock target, weapons, tools, tool tips, codex pages, mission prompts, all turned off Only have eagle vision, store (traders and the speaker guy) and interactables My next playthrough with have no hud at all
@@nah4506 doesn't matter of it is justified or not, if it is dlc or not, we have short time on this rock, as long as we find happiness, don't have an overly negative impact on others, and enjoy what we do, that's what matters. I'm sorry you have some sour emotions about either mirage or AC or ubisoft and don't know how to be kind
100% I feel like they get so hyped because they've nothing else to look forward to and then they play the game and go "but my life is still pathetic" and they blame the game 🤣🤣 don't get me wrong I've seen plenty of valid criticism but for the most part it's people crying about stuff that really doesn't matter
@@llama6394Are you guys forgetting this isn’t even Ubisoft A team. Ubisoft Bordeaux is way smaller team and the fact they did what did with the little time they had since they have barely 500 developers is pretty impressive. The game isn’t perfect but not as bad as some people make out to be. Literally feels like y’all are just hating because it’s Ubisoft.
Bro I 100% this game 2 days ago and I like it better than the last 3 in terms of what it offered. Everyone was complaining that Odyssey and Origins need to be about assassins again but I'm convinced that some people want it to be 2007 again rather than the franchise going back to roots. There are legit criticisms about this game but for the most part the hate seems super forced.
Agreed I enjoyed this more than the last 3 rpg games though doesn’t mean I didn’t hate them, I enjoyed origins for what it was the first rpg game a fresh take on AC exploring Egypt and bayek as a character seeing him form the foundation of the creed and expanded upon in hidden ones dlc, for me odyssey just had fun demi god gameplay that’s pretty much it and why I chugged through the whole game and it’s dlcs was merely for gameplay combining isu powers was cool to play with kassandra was tolerable as for Valhalla didn’t have any of what both games had the story was dragged upon for gameplay oh sigurds been captured oh no we should find him!!! Nah Let’s go capture some territories and find out what happens next in the story many hours later and the ending was garbage , mirage was a breath of fresh air that I haven’t experienced since the first time playing AC1 going to a bureau doing it’s small side tasks to get your main assassination target
Idk what it offered, the game has just 6 side quests. Devs said that in Mirage they are making more density over quantity, while even the first island in Valhalla has a lot more side content than the entire Mirage. It's so lazy and just...empty and feels like they have devs now who can barely do anything at all, like actually as if they hired tons of women and "women" by quotas and can't fire them now not to get a backlash and just are hostages of this situation. Idk how else to explain that
@@lepersonnage371There are more than 6 side quests... Norway has less content than Mirage, that's intentional as Norway is the prologue and Mirage is an entire game... You're just talking out of your ass.
We should support our lazy partners rather than complaining about them, even though they’re getting worse. Just keep giving them your money and telling them they’re fine 😊 it WILL get better 💀
I’ve been with this series since the very beginning. Grew up with the franchise and played every mainline entry (mirage is the first I’ve played on launch day) and I gotta say they nailed it with this game. Ironically enough my only complaint is that I want more of it! NG+ and the ability to replay missions and contracts would be great. If you’ve watched the dev diaries you can see that they didn’t lie about anything.
I'm with you on the NG+ and replayable contracts. If Bordeaux continues to produce games like Mirage (hopefully they do), it would be awesome to have a hitman style menu for the missions, being able to choose gear and disguises... etc.
I feel the same way, and this is also the first AC I've played on launch day. However, I would give this an 8/10 simply because of the technical flaws. The game design is incredible, but the AI, few bugs, and animations (pauses in parkour and enemies stopping tasks/momentum to be assassinated) all need to be worked on for Bordeaux's (hopefully) next title or even Mirage DLC. If we could have fully polished animations with high attention to detail and Hitman-level AI, with zero bugs, Mirage would be 10/10.
@@TexasIronLegendthe momentum stuff exists since ac2, you can't air assassinate someone who moves without him stopping, ac unity tried it and it looks junky AF you become the speed of light and dash on a walking grunt is not as appealing as just the guy stopping
That’s not even with Mirage. AC fans have been this way for well over a decade now I love this series, but it’s fandom is (understandably) the most embittered single player community I’ve ever seen. And misery loves company.
My 2 favourite game franchises are Assassin's Creed and Souls, and the funny thing is their communities couldn't be any more polar opposite. The AC community hates everything that comes out, even if it's good, while the Souls community praises everything that comes out as a perfect 10/10 masterpiece bullying people into submission for bringing flaws up. These are 2 of the most toxic gaming communities that have ever existed.
@Fuckleknuckleexactly,complaining about some of the newer reasons yet pushed the series away from what it was supposed to be by pressurint ubisoft to almost completely remove the modern day sections
I was hesitate on buying it because of Valhalla, but I'm surprised on how enjoyable the game is. I really love just jumping around buildings and doing stealth kills rather than doing story.
Omg THANK YOU I'm so sick of people constantly complaining about "true AC games" yet not even making an effort to try Mirage. I had so much fun with the stealth and infiltration in this game, it felt like I was back playing Black Flag and Rogue ! Nobody said the game was perfect but it's definitely going in the right direction if you like the old AC game
Dude I feel ya on that! I'm a big assassin's creed fan, the old games, and I was one of the people who professed AC should go back to its roots, and for what they had to work with and what they're trying to accomplish, Ubisoft did a great job with mirage! Like it isn't perfect and not my fav ac but for what it is, a bridge between old and new AC, it's really good for the shit storm it went through with fans. This is a victory in my eyes honestly!
that's like Mario being a fps with no platforming for a decade with scum mtx design and then getting a "Mario Run" game than a actual Mario game and being told "well its not perfect but its a step in the right direction"
I appreciate your voice of reason. I worry the hate mobs around new game releases has gotten louder and louder over the last decade, and I think more videos speaking from a place of sensibility, such as your video here, are very important for developers and gamers alike.
In terms of structure this felt like a lot of the first game in that a lot of the structure is doing investigations to identify, track down and assassinate a target before reporting it back. But this has more variety in how it’s done. As Basim works closer to finding out who the head of the order in Baghdad is he climbs the ranks as Altaïr did, getting an accessory for each rank achieved.
Only thing I wish they would’ve done with those ranks is like more of a ceremony for achieving them like brotherhood with the recruits earning rank of master and getting a ceremony where ezio knights them but I do think it might’ve messed with the story of mirages fluidity maybe because when Basim became a master he wasn’t rlly in good graces with the brotherhood (or Roshan if u want the specifics which was his Master at the time) so maybe they didn’t do those ceremonies so the game would flow better and u wouldn’t just get some random side content in the middle of an intense story.
My biggest issues come from those that refuse to let people enjoy things. Obviously, you are allowed to have discussions about what you think a product does well or poorly, but I'm referring to the people who reply with vitriolic hate when you enjoy something. "You're just a *insert buzzword here* because you like X thing."
I think it's even more bizarre that no one talks about Patrice Désilets, the original creator of the AC series. He was fired around the time of Brotherhood. You can tell the series started to go all over the place with its direction and slowly lose its identity shortly after his departure. I think it's really bizarre because if this was other creator such as Kojima to his Metal Gear series, no one would think that the series would be "OK" moving forward without him.
I love the stealth focus, the characters felt a bit stale, LOVED the density of the city, I would prefer if the investigation missions were more than just “go up to glowing object and press y” Big mixed bag, but definitely still fun to play
100 percent agree. Nostalgia baits are the reason newer games gets hate. But wait for 10 years when AC: Africa or some shit comes out then they will be like AC Mirage was the masterpiece and this new game sucks. And the cycle continues
I personally enjoyed Mirage, I felt connected to the characters and was intrigued by the story and the directions it took. My only complaints would be some of the parkour elements were a little janky, and sometimes using equipment wouldn’t work. That stuff is easily fixable with a patch.
I really dont understand people who complain about name The Hidden Ones like Assassins are inspired by real life Assassins from 11-13th century and Order of Assassins was established in 1091 so i feel like its cool that they make them not carry the name Assassins until 1091 and same goes for Templars/Order of Ancients Templars was established in 1118
The trouble with Mirage is that it's not half as good as the best pre-origins AC games. I feel no desire to play it. I'd rather play either ac4, unity, ac3, Syndicate or rogue (in that order) again. If half baked attempts is all Ubisoft can deliver I'm not spending money on that.
I had a blast playing this game. I love that it was stealth oriented because at the end of the day that’s what assassin‘s creed was born from. It’s a stealth game. You play as an assassin so I loved it. I just wish that you be Ubisoft Bordeaux could make more assassin Creed games.
that's like Mario being a fps with no platforming for a decade with scum mtx design and then getting a "Mario Run" game than a actual Mario game and being told "well its not perfect but its a step in the right direction"
@@marcusclark1339or Mario being an rpg.....wait. the problem wasn't the rpg gameplay it was the hard pivot to it. I also think a major problem with open worlds is that franchises tend to only use them once. Imagine an origins trilogy where the opeh world gets more fleshed out each game.
I just don't know if this game is worth supporting. In the one hand I think it is worth supporting because it's a step in the correct direction. But in the other hand I think it's not really a return to roots at all, as in it's not enough of a step in the correct direction. Personally I'm not going to be excited for an AC game until it returns the more weighted, slower, realistic combat style of AC2. Those earlier ACs had the best combat style, not this hack 'n slash of modern ACs.
Yes mirage is a step in the right direction but why should we be celebrating that? It doesn’t make sense to tell people to ignore all of it's flaws as a product and support the game just for the possibility that ubisoft give us what we want eventually. It's no suprise that fans are frustrated with a triple A company that hasn't met or exceeded expectations for years. They love the game with a passion and see so much potential in the franchise but ubisoft is incapable of actually delivering an experience that will blow you away.
Have you ever thought that supporting might send Ubisoft the message that Fans want a Full AC games and RPG Games and next time they might make the game with better parkour and better everything
Hearing that mirage is the best selling game and surpassing valhalla within a week gives me hope they'll look at mirage and improve of this style and give ubisoft Bordeaux more resources and a new engine to truly give us a return to roots one day. Mirage has its fair share of issues, but it's a step in the right direction comparative to the garbage we got with valhalla. I'm actually kinda liking it
@__Mystiik__ no shit moron, doesn't change that ubisoft Bordeaux actually cares and it shows. Ubisofts lazy and bullshit corporate greed still shows vastly more and holds back the game from becoming something truly great. I'll never buy an ac game after mirage unless they look at these numbers and give Bordeaux new assets and resources to work with. Valhallas engine is the only reason this game feels "basic" to u. I don't like the copy and pasted animations either but its all we got rn. It's either this or the horrendous ass valhalla. I'd rather take mirage any day
No one wanted the game to fail, even a lot of the skeptics were actually wondering if this is a return to a more stealth based assassin's creed. The problem is, it's not a return to a more stealth based assassin's creed, it's a return to their original formula from AC Origins just with areas crafted specifically for being stealth this time. Their action RPG games a lot of hardcore fans of the series didn't like, it's something Ubisoft isn't particularly good at (Odyssey was a slog to get through with the repetitive RPG elements) so I think people were more or less just hoping for anything that wasn't Altair but with health bars and terrible character models. Cool you like the game and will blindly suck it off but this isn't a good assassins creed game however you look at it and the fans knew from the jump.
@@TheVIITV assassin's creed wasn't just about sneaking around, finding clues then killing people. It was about espionage. You had targets you had to track, targets to interrogate, targets to pickpocket or steal from instead of just murder, all while weaving a narrative set in a historical setting. This game is good but it's not a good assassins creed game and that's okay.
@@that_deadeyegamer7920 I understand and well Mirage does have all of that except interrogation and a complete historical narrative, even tho the narrative is still in a historical setting. But it was always a DLC, it’s not a full game and was never meant to be hence the price drop. Looking at it from the lens of what it’s actually meant to be I believe it to be a solid assassins creed project. But again if it wasn’t the experience you wanted I understand, I just don’t think that makes it “not a good assassins creed”.
@@that_deadeyegamer7920 Espionage literally IS sneaking around and gathering clues. The game has pickpocketing/stealing, so that's a moot point. Which only leaves interrogations, which to your credit, I don't believe the game has from what I can remember. And finally, the game absolutely has a narrative set in a historical setting. Your comment is nonsensical to anyone who stops and thinks for more than 3 seconds
@@ARC--5973 it's literally just a reskin of the Odyssey and Origins formula dude. "Sneak" into open fort or city, find info, kill target. Originally, assassin's Creed had more than just "sneak, find target, kill target", there where missions where you were prohibited from killing entirely, missions that required disguise, all of which are espionage related that this game completely glossed over for flashy stealth kills and a historically accurate but narrative empty world, compared to the other games. You can like the game but even the base mechanics of AC Liberation puts this game to shame.
I think it's less about the game, more about people wanting to go back to 2012. Where we (young adults) had an easier and more exciting life, or at least nostalgia makes us think so.
Yeah there's a meme that kind of encapsulates that idea. I don't remember the exact wording but it's basically something like " you don't miss thing x, but you miss how you felt and where your life was at when it came out." There certainly are products that have gone considerably downhill that used to be better but think a lot of the times people more miss the magical feelings they had playing it, which they're not going to get as an adult because they've been kind of jaded by the world and experiences. I genuinely believe that if some of the games that people grew up playing came out. Now, it's not that they wouldn't be good, but they wouldn't affect the person as much because they are so bogged down by day-to-day life.
@@truegamer_007 ok, you're technically correct, but also not. Let me explain. Ubisoft has been using different iterations of the Anvil engine for AC Scimitar: AC1 Anvil: AC2, Brotherhood, Revelations AnvilNext: AC3, Black Flag, Rogue AnvilNext 2.0: Unity, Syndicate, Origins Odyssey Ubisoft Anvil: Valhalla, Mirage While the engines are "different", Origins, Odyssey and Valhalla are functionally the same game and Mirage is a slight tweak on Valhalla. It's not an engine thing, it's an asset thing.
@@usmanqureshi8941 I know all this, what you trying to explain to me? I'm obviously not talking about different engines, I'm talking about different iterations of the same engine. The Unity version could have been used if they wanted a more parkour focused game.
I think most people who started on Odyssey and Valhalla are not used to how Assassin’s Creed used to be and not patient with a full stealth game idk I could be wrong but I honestly love that they’re going back to full stealth because the game is called Assassin’s Creed for a reason. You’re supposed to be stealthy and plan your every move not just run in and swing at everything in sight
Yeah, honestly the toxic fans are the ones who are ruining the series, not the devs themselves. They’re never satisfied with anything. They’re never satisfied with any changes made and they’re also never satisfied when there’s no change. This game looks and plays better than Valhalla and is a nice homage to the original. Like, just let people enjoy what they enjoy, ya know.
Love the game, it was cheap, the cuty is so beutiful, the gamplay and story is fine. I love spending time in this game man, they did great with the big city
People are getting fed up of bland ubisoft story telling, voice acting, awful facial animations In a year of absolute quality games, they have a right to be upset
Everything you said is accurate! I have played every single AC title but feel like I’m in weird boat because I love the old school AND the newer huge open world titles. Mirage does have its flaws (as do all of them) but I had fun and enjoyed it. I’ve always looked at the parkour as continuously evolving. The store is so out of the way, one could easily avoid it completely. I did. But yeah I feel like most AC fans just love to complain…A lot! And those are the ones who will never be happy with anything Ubisoft puts out.
Well said. The criticisms being raised are not specific to this game, climbing has always been a bit buggy. It is built on Valhalla’s engine which was not the best if we are honest, the devs have worked miracles. The biggest bug I’ve had in any AC game was in Syndicate. I went to jump from one train to another, which was a mandatory part of a main story mission and ended up inside a carriage with no door to exit, and that was within the last year post any performance patches. I’ve not had anything like that in Mirage and I’ve been playing since day 1. I also clearly recall how buggy climbing was in AC 1 and 2, the amount of times I went to climb up the last bit at the top of a tower or after a lengthy climb and the player just jumped clear off the building to their death 😂
Even if people hate on mirage too much, there are still valid points. Janky animations in combat that makes it look like none of your hits connect with opponents. The peak of combat was in Brotherhood - ACIV, sure it was easy but the way of you being able to fistfight, use hidden blade as weapon during combat made it enjoyable. I wanted to use Hidden blade in combat and parry with it, just like in AC B, but nope. You can't even do counter kills like AC1-2. Parkour is not good. Miles better than in AC odyssey and valhalla, but it ain't much of improvement. The other stuff is glowing effect. Why the fck enemies have to glow? Sure in past games it was animus thing(Locking onto enemies) but now they glow in red, yellow when they attack. This looks disgusting.
Why should I stop complaining the moment I get a mediocre, uninspired stealth game? Wtf? Mirage feels worse to play moment to moment than Unity did, and that game's 9 years old. Also, I never personally minded the RPG trilogy or the direction the series went in, and judging by the sales, neither did most of the people, it was only the vocal minority that kept complaining, and after Valhalla's piss-poor state and overall bloat, that vocal minority got even louder. I like classic AC, but Mirage feels too safe and in result, boring as hell.
As a fan of old games who after Origins didn't even bought next two AC games, bc I saw it's just more of the same watered down rpg's, I wouldn't say I want mirage to fail. I just don't care. Who likes it let them have their fun, but for me it's not like old games. It's more like some hybrid between old and new games
Look i don’t play games often if at all but the reason i played AC was A. Because its a single player open world series, B. I like history and some of the accuracy (which has been used in some school classes) of the geography and the figures used in the game along with how i get attached to some characters like Ezio who imo is probably in the top 5 for me as far as I invest time with and emotionally attach with and id imagine if i get around to RDR 2 arthur would be up there too. But with the recent games adding all the alien-y ISU stuff it stripped away all what the games once were. I get the Apple of eden in the OG games was still that but at least it didn’t play a massive part as much as these later installments. I only really enjoyed Valhalla because i happen to enjoy Norse mythology. This one i just can’t get into watching gameplay knowing Basim is essentially Loki reborn. The gameplay itself looks a lot better and less Dark soul, Elder scrolls style. I played AC for the parkour and stealth not to ride horses across thousands of acres of land and magic, if i wanted to do that ill play the elder scroll games. However i wish nothing ill of this game because at least they sort of listened to the audience and brought back some of the reminiscences of the older games. I played Unity recently and that game seems underrated. I like Arno. He seemed charismatic and funny and also deadly. Wish they could go back entirely to keeping it like that with just people set in a certain time period without the whole basim suddenly now being in modern era. Would love to know more about Arno. Or another Game with Connor or another set in london. They created those games with such great characters yet we spent little time with them?
this game is literally so good, ive beaten it and the only complaint i have right now is that i wish there was more after the game ends😭 begging for that new game plus update soon
I can understand calling any sort of excessive hostility toxic but also this is sort of just an issue that’s plain to see, the games aren’t getting remarkably or even marginally better, if anything it feels more hollow with each installment, this is a lesson in free market capitalism, if your business fails because the people don’t want your product then their failure is ultimately their own fault. Having opinions, standards, even expectations as consumers is our right, refusing to buy the product is the only way we can individually contribute to a change, Disney seems like they’re finally understanding that they need to do things differently or become history that’s because of people refusing to buy into things they don’t want. It’s like corporate Natural selection
I haven't played mirage yet but so far it looks like Ubisoft have listened to the OG fans and tried to bring it back to the roots which I appreciate. Looking forward to playing it.
I saw a short of someone playing this game and people were making fun of him and were being a d*ck cause he enjoys this game. The hate for this game is just so unnecessary
Just because Mirage does things folks ask for doesn't mean its good enough to please people. They have the right to not like it or be upset. Id like a return to form and sure Mirage is a nice "step" but its not worth it. The "was slated for Valhala dlc" stink is still there imo. Facial animations, story, combat etc sucks. Also maybe things dont complain about stuff in older games but do with newer games is because...its the newer game. Those bugs shouldnt be there now
I’m almost certain unless Ubisoft writes ezio back to life, makes him immortal and makes him the main protagonist for every single assassins creed moving forward they aren’t gonna be happy
that's like Mario being a fps with no platforming for a decade with scum mtx design and then getting a "Mario Run" game than a actual Mario game and being told "well its not perfect but its a step in the right direction" real fans want better than the BARe MINIMUM we've been yelling for over a deacade and what we get is a half ass "here ya go" and people think CRITIQUING IT IS HATE, this is what the industry has conditioned, conformity to scraps
My problem with mirage is how amateur it feels. The game reuses almost everything from Valhalla. From animations, to Hud elements... Basic stuff that should have been priority. What we got was Ubisoft C Team transforming a dlc into a full game and it shows. Back to its roots in such a shit way, I kinda understand the hate
It is sad to see that Mirage didn't get high praise and I hope Ubisoft doesn't get rid of Ubisoft Bordeaux cause I feel like they really want to make a great AC game, but I feel like they didn't have enough resources to make it like I feel like they are being limited by the same game engine that has been used for AC Valhalla. Its probably about time that Ubisoft upgrades their engine to better limits or they create another engine entirely, but I wonder if Ubisoft will not let Ubisoft Bordeaux create a AC Game after this even though it was their first shot
I'm SO GLAD you made this video! No joke I've had so many of the same thoughts that I considered making a video saying the exact same thing myself. I agreed with every point you made,(including the splinter cell one. lol), but ESPECIALLY with people getting mad that it isn't "good enough", not realizing that if this game does poorly they won't go this direction again. I've bought every stealth-focused assassin's creed hoping that the franchise would shift in this direction and I'm so glad this experiment for Ubisoft seems to have paid off. And I'm even more glad to see someone making a video about this and saying what needs to be said.
Great video. Parts of the fandom are really toxic. They just keep complaining despite Ubisoft giving them everything they wanted after Valhalla. Valhalla was their best seller of all time, yet Ubisoft did something different for those fans that didn’t like Valhalla, and wanted more stealth and an Assassin focused sorry. And they still complained.
we are the ones who supported ac right from the beginning. we have the right to shit on the awful gameplay mechanics. it's very good in many aspects, especially the story, but still nothing impressive when it comes to actual gameplay. people who complain are the ones who keep the standards high, you should thank us.
@@domovoi2861 they are not the same but they usually are done together. you cant expect everyone to make a youtube video going in depth about every detail. if the gameplay is crap, it's enough to say so
@@descree7thank you for what? For being babies crying all The time ac changed to rpg style in The first place now its going back to its roots here you are again. Smh
THANK YOU FOR FINALLY SAYING IT!!! I really enjoyed mirage for what it is and it quickly became my third favourite Assassin's Creed game. It really bothers me that whenever someone mentions this game, all they do is hate it. I really loved mirage and I hope they add new game plus or dlc
Here is why many of us are disappointed: There are so many clips out there comparing Mirage with Unity. How the hell is it possible that the 10 years older predecessor is in many essential aspects (motion physics, parkour, movie scenes, facial expressions, etc.) actually FAR better than its 'successor' in 2023? Yes, there might be a development in the right direction BUT that should have been the standard more than 10 years ago. Ubisoft has evolved for sure...just backwards. Now to pretend that everything is going to be fine because of Mirage will undoubtedly induce Ubisoft to keep their lower standards. The AI e.g. has never changed and guards are still dumb as f***, hence stealth doesnt feel rewarding.
I wasn't a hater from day 1, but I was of the crowd that approaches games with caution, because of how many times we've been burned by the industry. A huge part of my gripe with Mirage is that, while it pays homage to old AC very well, and does everything it sets out accomplish... the old AC formula was never strong to begin with, and nobody seems to want to admit it. ESPECIALLY the fans. The gameplay loop and stealth mechanics was always mediocre, and many games since have raised the bar considerably. I can enjoy the game as it is, but it's nowhere near the level of MGS V, Dishonored, etc. And keep in mind this is coming from someone who loves AC, especially Unity. This franchise has never been the peak of stealth games, so it's release was very lukewarm for me.
And by mediocre, I mean trailing missions, absolutely dumb AI, poor storytelling through half the franchise. I'm being as honest as I can as a longtime fan, this series has so much unrealized potential, and they never seem to hit the mark, despite having all the ingredients
I didn't expect too much but I appreciated the step back to the roots and bought it on release. We have to support the direction to create an opportunity of improvement. Overall I think mirage is solid and have potential. Of course it could be better but as mentioned Bordeaux was limited in all ways and tried their bests. They build Bagdad for parkour and tweaked the traversal speed which is an improvement but the engine just doesn't allow more. For me parkour is the weakest part of the game although it's very important in an AC game. Most annoying thing is that Basim glues to objects or randomly gets sticked to it even without going for parkour.
I hope you remember how the pakour in old games were just as glitchy if not worse 😂 I remember ac 1 where I would try to climb and Altair would do some glitchy climb with his hands also remember how unity pakour system was also glitchy at times where Arno would kinda like stop while climbing or do some glitchy climb so assassin creed never really had a flawless system for it but I mean of course unity had the most potential for the franchise
This is my first time watching one of your videos and I enjoyed this video. I’m a huge AC fan and I feel AC Mirage hit the right spot for me. Ubisoft listened to its fans and gave them what they asked for. In today’s day and age, I’m used to seeing big companies blame their fans. I really appreciate this game and what Ubisoft did.
It's very easy man. People want: Good story Good side quests Good characters Good combat system Good cutscenes Good villains Good and memorable story missions Good dialogues and philosophical debates People do not want: A valhalla DLC with some randomly put AC1 mechanics,that in some cases are even worse than in 2007(like stealing) Nothing that I listed above is in Mirage.That's why huge fans from AC1 are mad.This games proves Ubisoft are not simply not wanting to truly bring the series back to its roots, they don't know how to. They think this is enough, when in reality its a disaster and I'm very mad people are talking "yeah,that's what we wanted", like what did you want?This?No thank you,it's a disgrace of a game,complimenting it for beautiful Bagdad and better stealth,no sorry guys, but this is not enough
One thing I wanted to see Ubisoft do was innovate on Unity's Multiplayer. Make more missions, maybe allow for character customization or maybe just bring it back in general. I loved Unity's multiplayer and I wanted them to bring it back
Assassin's Creed fans understands 10 years of mediocre and unfinished games with microtransactions. I don't understand why this game is considered an AC
Mirage is amazing. It was the first game in years that pulled me in so much that i platinumed it. It was a return the what the franchise used to be. Baghdad felt alive. I hope future AC games take on a similar approach
Also you can see the same thing happening to Starfield. For whatever reason it’s popular to say the games dogshit, generic, a failure or whatever despite it being Bethesda’s biggest game launch *ever*. Yes, even bigger than skyrim. And the reviewers who dared to actually enjoy the game were accused of being shills. At this point I fully blame gamers for the direction gaming has taken
Ok but Starfield is a game that promised us a skyscraper and gave us a caravan home. Todd Howard is known for his deception about every game he releases, and his games have been nothing but stale and repetitive since Skyrim. There's a difference between a game that's humbly priced, with reasonable expectations, and the biggest worldwide launch for Xbox that graphically looks like it was cooked for a PS3/Xbox 360. Just not the same, these games are not comparable.
Completely different situations. Perhaps on a surface level with no context, I can kind of see what you mean, but the context for both completely changes EVERYTHING. If the only thing you looked at was the response, they still wouldn't be comparable.
@@windebiesteultima3317 I'm proving my own point. Mirage promised a good game and we got a good game. Todd Howard promised a good game and we got a shit game. What's difficult to understand?
I think the hate for Mirage is from a vocal minority, possibly the audience that came into Assassin's Creed at the RPG Trilogy. Love AC: Mirage. The moment I opened the inventory and wasn't greeted with 10,000 stat values and damage values, I breathed a sigh of relief.
Considering the team was given 2 years to make mirage, AND they never made full on games, mostly just DLCs is incredible. Was it a flawless execution? No but you can tell they wanted to make an AC game, not a bloated out RPG.
Don’t worry, Jay. Not all og fans are hating on this game. In fact, some really appreciate and maybe even love it. You got ac TH-camrs (ie. Leo K Rogue, Altair Stealth, The Exile, MasterAssassin, Walshie, etc) who are in favor of og ac and are very thankful for the game. The same thing applies to many ac twitter profiles who want classic ac back. I myself am very appreciative of what mirage is doing, even in spite of it not being completely what I want out of an ac game. All in all, I hope the complainers don’t give og fans a bad image, cuz they really don’t represent all of us. P.S. I really hope mirage is well received, cuz I’ve been starving for a traditional ac experience for awhile now and I really want Ubisoft to continue pushing in this direction.
I think the good news is that it seems like Ubi considers Mirage a success. That should hopefully mean that, in the future, they might be pushing further back into the AC roots that people seem to want, and further away from the RPGs that people seem to not want
A lot of people like the rpg element. It’s just the hateful loud majority who keeps complaining about it…. Same thing with the haters of mirage. Think about it
@@arrexu01 The complainers are almost always louder than the ones who are happy, sadly. Personally, I really enjoyed Origins, but that was the last one I played. I bet I'd enjoy the other ones if I picked them up
@@arrexu01Some people's brain work differently i guess, i don't understand people who likes the brain dead, repetetive, boring RPG elements and cringe ass story in new AC games. You're all a different kind of species to like actual garbage.
the simple fact that ive seen AC fans say the game doesnt innovate anything and at the same time say they want ubisoft to go back to the old style tells us how dumb those fans are.
last assassins creed game i played was syndicate, after that i just got tired of the franchise. I totally skipped all the assassins creed that had the rpg mechanics, is it recommended to jump right back in with mirage?
This is the price you pay when u diverge an IP's mechanics away from its roots. You divide the fanbase. It's very similar to Creative Assembly's Total War series.
The RPG fans arguably aren't part of the original fanbase. Ubisoft made RPGs after the hype of Witcher 3 to appeal to a wider audience, and a lot of those people didn't play the first 9 AC games. From my observation in youtube, reddit, twitter, etc it seems like most of the RPG fans are new zoomer fans who think anything before Origins is a dinosaur. These new fans don't care if Assassins aren't featured in an *Assassins* Creed game. They don't care about social stealth or quick assassination mechanics. Because all the RPG fans ever known are the RPGs. Back when Syndicate came out, fans were understandably frustrated because Ubisoft was turning AC into a yearly low effort release like Call of Duty. Syndicate was still a good game but was too similar to Unity. If Ubisoft wasn't so greedy and spent like 3+ years to make better AC games, *improving upon* the original AC formula instead of throwing it all away to do copy-paste RPGs, we wouldn't have this problem.
Yea we miss a lot of the things from the Unity AC3,4 days but what we can appreciate and no one is saying is that Ubisoft has always been consistent with is historical accuracy and the scale of the settings. I mean Paris, London, Egypt, Greece the settings are gorgeous and jaw dropping even today
Welcome to the world of today where every whiner and complainer on the planet has the ability to post a comment. trust it's not just AC. It's not just gaming. It's everything.
I'm an OG AC fan. I've been playing AC since 2008 and even though I really liked Origins and really really didn't like AC III, I'll always be a supporter of the "old school" AC. I have played all main titles of this franchise, also the last two. About them I can say, that I really enjoyed playing Odyssey - as an RPG. It was a terrible AC game, but since I'm also a huge fan of RPG, I started to seperate these two things in my mind and viewed Odyssey simply as a standalone RPG, that's how I was able to enjoy it. With Valhalla I have a more complicated relationship. They already promised for Valhalla to walk some steps back to the roots, with bringing nack the (not so) hidden blade and social stealth. That's why I gave it a try. Here, it was impossible for me to separate the AC from the RPG, because the game tried to be so much of both, that in the end, it sucked at both of them. I really didn't like Valhalla. I was very wary about Mirage because I didn't like Basim in Valhalla and didn't know if I wanted him as a protagonist. And also because they broke their promise for Valhalla (going back to the roots), I didn't know if I wanted to give it a try. I'm around 15 hours in and I really enjoy its linearity and story. It's not entirely an "old school" AC and it doesn't have to be. Not all new things from the newer games are bad. I'm happy that they kept in the stealth from the newer games (crouching and hiding), and I'm also happy that they reduced the RPG elements to a minimum. For me it's definitely a step into the right decision (means, back to the roots) and even though it won't be my favourite AC game, I'd place it definitely higher than Valhalla or Odyssey.
Mirage gets the setting and story beats right in terms of returning to the old formula. In terms of gameplay, stealth and movement, it feels like a massive step back compared to what it used to be. Just running around in the last 4 games (mirage included) literally feels like you have no momentum and no weight at all. You can change direction almost instantly and when you move it feels more like your sliding across the ground combined with a running animation. This issue bleeds into all other aspects of movement. In a game series where movement WAS the foundation of what made it good, making it SUCK and then trying to fit everything else to what it used to be just feels like massive disrespect to old fans.
I'm an OG fan, been playing since the first game came out, I love both the traditional AC games and RPG AC games. I gotta say there are so many other og fans are are straight up toxic, there will be other fans out there who say even one positive thing about the RPG games and og fans would act like twitter users over it. It's really sad.
Personally I think it’s a miracle this game even exists, we easily could have just had another 4,000 hour long RPG but Ubisoft Bordeaux stepped up and created a classic assassins creed game that we have needed for years, people just find anything to cry about these days, it’s a sad reality we live in, I remember when a game would release and everyone would appreciate it for what it is instead of crying about it
Great video Jay and I agree with you it get annoying when people’s are just negative and complaining about everything and I can’t wait for you review on it Jay and everything AC related videos
People making exceptions for blemishes comes down to the overall experience working for them or not. It's the whole picture, not the details. What really throws me out of the experience and makes me take note of the blemishes in Mirage is the fetch quest-based storytelling and level design. Fetching tea or other trinkets doesn't make me feel like an assassin, especially when it's mandatory, and once the illusion is broken, the smaller details I'd overlook in a better game come to the surface more.
Also, I absolutely agree that people should bring up positives, especially with Mirage, if they want to see AC get any better. I actually made a video about this last week.
I absolutely agree with your argument about not buying means they just go back to the thing that sold better (The rpg series) ... companies plan based on sales not based on the fans request because they’re a business and businesses want to make profit so they’ll just stick to what worked (sold the most) before , until it stops selling AND IT MAKES SENSE FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT because businesses want to make the most amount of money with the least amount of costs so they’ll just stick with the safe options that were tried out before , because trying new things is risky and potentially could cost more .. TLDR: businesses listen with their/your wallets so if you don’t like a game and want to see it changed DRASTICALLY, don’t buy it .. if you like the direction a game is going but want to see it improved , support it
It's good but it's not great that's the problem. I've played since AC1 and yeah it's pretty close to the og games but it's not quite well rounded. As you said they addressed everybody's complaints but they didn't do it at least imo that great. To me the parkour was better than the last 3 but it was still mid, the hidden blade was mid because I couldn't use it as a main weapon, the story was really short, the story was ok, very little high quality cinematics, didnt really look next gen, etc. Don't gemme wrong I like the game and it is most certainly a step in thr right direction but it felt lackluster almost like it was supposed to be a dlc, oh wait.... Also to me the game is not worth 50 bucks...like I said earlier it's a ok story but it is really short...I've played about 16 hours and have already completed it. Imo the best route to go is get ubusoft plus for 15 and play it because this is not a 50 dollar game. Overall I think the game was kinda good but mostly mid. People will say that AC fans are never satisfied and they're right until Ubisoft takes a good couple of years to make a next gen amazing story ASSASSINS creed game then we will stop complaining but until then it ain't gonna happen. Imo they need to make a really good game maybe even one that can win goty or it's time to retire AC forever or reboot the series
If you want a great representation of how us OG fans feel about the game then I suggest you go and watch @JakeBaldino video on AC Mirage and the series as a whole!
I'm with you coming from someone who has loved and been with the series since its announment (I have a damn assassins creed tattoo) this camp of people that will generally never be happy should all just give up and walk of a cliff or something. My top 5 are Black Flag, ac3, syndicate, origins, and now mirage. None of those are perfect games but all are near and dear to my heart, and that's what matters most. Great vid jay!!
Honestly I feel like it’s either : .. 1- some part of the community have hated for a long time (probably deservedly so) that they just hate Ubisoft at this point and want to see it fail .. OR .. 2- the community doesn’t know exactly what they want so they keep saying “ it’s not what we wanted “ (the reason I say “they” not “we” in this case is that I didn’t expect much of this game after I found out it originally was supposed to be a dlc for Valhalla AND TO BE HONEST I got more than I expected but the bar wasn’t that high to begin with )
I love the game and just wish there was more of it. It’s not perfection but I want it to succeed. I want them to go so much deeper with a full fledged Creed game
Love you pointing out how ridiculous a lot of the criticism is, especially from those who aren't willing to give the game a chance before they even try it. As much as I may dislike something, if I've liked it in the past I'll give it a chance to see if I'll like it again. It's easier to spend life looking for things to enjoy, rather than looking for things to hate.
I love it despite its flaws, in fact it’s in my top 3 of the entire serie (I platinumed every single episode) Can’t wait to see this formula applied to a proper bigger AAA
I grew up with this series an this is what i wanted assassin's creed to be again. I wanted it to be about stealth an the assassin's so while i agree it isn't perfect i enjoyed it i had 20 something hrs when i completed the game. This game actually made me feel like the old day's my excitement for assassin's creed started to come out while playing i hope they keep going with this style. while origins is absolutely the best of the rpg game's i don't mind them making those i just don't think it should be called an assassin's creed game just my opinion.
Definitely late to this, but you know what man? There's a component we think the gaming community is missing. Like, we've heard it maybe hit upon, or alluded to, but no one has really addressed it head on. And that's the generational component. Think there's a growing divide between younger gamers who entered the scene when the "casual" gaming experience was taking hold. Then there's the OG gamers who grew up playing Nintendo and Sega Genesis. Younger gamers are also used to certain performance metrics that OG gamers can appreciate, but are more forgiving about. Things like framerates, and graphical fidelity, screen tearing, or pop-in. OG gamers like games to look good, but are typically able to accept a game with lower quality graphics, or lower Framerates if it still presents good story, characters, and/or mechanics. AC's parkour is a prime example. For OG gamers, the parkour glitching out isn't a big deal because they recognize that AC's parkour has ALWAYS glitched out from time to time. But what AC had was it's own identity. It brought something new and innovative to the gaming industry. But ever since the rise of the giant, open world, every-game, games have started to kinda blend together. That's why AC Valhalla even exists. It was Ubisoft trying to cash-in on the formula that brought success to games like the Witcher and Horizon Zero Dawn. Casual games sacrifice identity for graphical presentation, generic gameplay loops and mechanics. Publishers understand that this draws larger crowds. And ultimately more profit. Why reinvent the wheel when you can replicate the mechanics of previously successful games? If you're a younger gamer who came up playing games like Minecraft, or Roblox...when a game like AC1 drops, (let alone something like classic Splinter Cell), you're gonna be like "WTF is this?". And this isn't just an issue with Action or Stealth games either. It goes for all of gaming. Street Fighter had similar issues with V and 6. So much so, that with 6 Capcom decided to add things like "modern controls", and "Drive Impact". Basically because the younger, casual gamers voiced struggling with learning the inputs and mechanics (or simply just didn't want to take the time) that have been SF's signature for the last 30+ years. Capcom even admitted this. Dunno, ultimately it seems that we're just in an era where rather than continuing to make good games that incentivize gamers into committing to long-term mastery and appreciation over time, major publishers have fallen into the trap of lowering the bar to entry and generalizing the gameplay for instant gratification. It's a classic case of quantity over quality. That's why some gamers will beat-up on something like Mirage for issues they let pass with other titles. Not because of the glitches, graphics, or whatever other minor issue. That's just the surface. But really because of a general misunderstanding of what gaming used to be. Before the over generalization and formulaic approaches that drive profits. Remember, gaming studios used to celebrate being on the edge of technological and artistic innovation. Now they've fallen back into replicating "successful business models", algorithms, and gimmicks.
This was a great read. Apologies for my poor grammar but I agree, I would call myself a newish(?) gamer I grew up with minecraft, gta and some of the ac games and more. I died hard love all these franchises that ubisoft and other companies have put out, and I want them all to go further, but because of the newer titles they seem to focus more on gameplay and trends compared to all the other factors that make a great game. Take skyrim, a masterpiece imo. Compare that to some of the more lackluster newer releases that are usually accepted as "okay" and that's when people get annoyed. Yes it's also partly due to nostalgia reasons aswell as the amount of soul these games have, but nobody seems to be pushing the limits anymore, It's just decent enough to call it a game. Like black ops 1 to the new modern warfare 3 that just came out
@@lololazure All good. And thank You! Going back and reading the op, definitely found some typos and errors that need to be corrected. And of course, that's not the only issue. There are gamers of all ages that appreciate both retro and newer games, but it definitely is a component. The gaming industry has finally reached an age where we're gonna start seeing similar dynamics that appear in other media (music, movies, books...). There's gonna be people who favor certain types, genres, and eras over others. And the age/generation of the individual will be something we need to consider. The real issue are the companies and publishers themselves. They need to get back into taking risks again. Nothing wrong with trying to replicate formulas, they're companies. Understandably, they have to make money. But what they can't do is take old IPs that people and fans have come to know for certain gameplay loops and mechanics, and try to repurpose them to appease new consumers. That's where they're failing. Like AC Origins - Valhalla. Ubi would have been better off if they'd just created a new IP altogether.
I played assassin’s creed mirage and I enjoyed it. I had a way more fun time playing this game than spending an entire month to beat Valhalla. Sure I took me almost a week to beat the game, but after wasting my time on boring, pointless and filler side quests on Valhalla, Mirage was more of a breath of fresh air. There’s an old saying that sometimes, less is more.
14:19 here's the thing, it doesn't really matter Mirage won't sell nearly as much as valhalla and the next game is a full fledged RPG and the one after that is something completely new, Mirage was a one off thing to pay homage to the old games it's not a fire starter, why are people mad? because mirage is missing one VERY important thing that existed in the old games, An engaging gripping story with memorable characters, the crappy voice line delivery and the sim like faces doesn't help the already forgettable story i personally can forgive the parkour and everything else as long as the story has an impact and the characters and acting is great , also, Using Eivor's animations for a fluid assassin achieves the complete opposite, if they were paying homage to the roots they should have went all in, but now it's too late there will be no other old ac game , it's RPG's and experimental genres from now on, and about the price, no , Mirage is a AA game not triple A hence the price also it doesn't matter if it wasn't originally a DLC, it still feels like a DLC and that's the problem, we say ''it's not enough'' so ? if your making a 'return to roots' game why not go ALL IN? there isn't another sequel to this and AC red is an RPG so why just dip your toes ? why accept mediocrity ? why not aim for the highest idea of a Return to roots game? bring back Unity's animations and parkour, Mocap the acting , Redo voice lines that sound off you know? stop begging for the bare minimum and aim higher
I think Mirage is similar to Origins in the way that they were testing the waters for new systems to implement into later games and weren't fully formed ideas yet and I think that what people need to see is Mirage as a step to make a future game that only improves and adds new mechanics to the foundation that Mirage has made instead of scaring off the devs and men in suit from pushing these concept forward and making GOFTY material.
The fanbase is so split, so many fans of the series jumped on board "recently" in the grand scheme of things. Many haven't even played the originals. I think the perception around Black Flag being so beloved is because that was probably a lot of newer fans first game.
While I agree with your points, the fact that companies don't understand why their audiences avoid their product isn't the customers' fault. It's not like the community is mute or anything. They just interpret it the way they want to. I think Mirage is indeed an okay game, the best they could have delivered in this abysmal engine. That doesn't change the fact that it's a long way off of what we once had. I am only hoping that they get the chance to get a full budget and make the game they want.
@@TheLetterJ-c8n nothing. They only seem to be chasing dead trends and killing off franchises that were once industry leading ones. They also seem to be very skilled in harassing their employees and running the company like a public service from Greece.
AC Mirage is made with Vahalla tools, Unity came out with buggy launch only now it get praise. AC Fans complained about Unity when it came out that's the reason they started making RPG games, then AC Fans complained about RPG Games so they decide to give it a test by making Mirage and try to come back to roots And guess what you guys still hates it You guys don't want this series to succeed in the first place.
Most OG AC fans want Mirage to succeed simply because Ubi Bordeaux and the dev team have demonstrated that not only do they _actually get it,_ but they're willing to learn more about what the fans want. The best case scenario would be Ubi Bordeaux has more time and a bigger budget to fully commit to making a classic AC game (preferably from the ground up, the leftovers from Valhalla in Mirage can be really off-putting)
That's the thing - this is how good they did with a low budget and the RPG engine. Imagine if they were given free reign.
I want more games like mirage where you're not forced to do side content every 5 mins even though that's a little bit of hyperbole on my part I'd rather they allow me to do the story at my own pace like Mirage and the older games allow. The RPG games make side content too mandatory and too big imo that it just feels like padding the game out or filling a checklist and I can count on 1 or 2 hands memorable side quests from the RPG games.
This. The only people having a problem are those that probably grew up playing the RPG ones. The ones that played from AC1 actually want it to succeed so that the whole 'going back to the roots' approach is ingrained into the minds of those at Ubisoft
ok i agree with this.
What kind of goldfish memory OG AC fan forgets how many different weapons amd kill animations were in a game like Revelations?
Where the kills were also brutal asf, like a sword through the skull, and then spin the enemy's head around then pull it out.
"OG fans", don't make me laugh.
The toxic side of the fanbase is always the loudest unfortunately. All the cool people are just chilling and enjoying the game for what it is.
It’s a good thing Ubisoft listens to the money more than they do the fans.
Mirage performing well means we’ll probably see a bigger game in the traditional AC style at some point in the future.
@@frenchfriedbagel7035 listening to the money is the whole reason they started making RPG games. They wanted the same success as Witcher 3. I think they need to listen to money AND fans because the money shows them what has worked, and the fans show them what will work. Fans wanted a game like Mirage, and that has been confirmed by the sales. I think Ubisoft knows that the fanbase is split, and I think they will continue to make both RPG games and stealth action-adventure.
Origins sold really well, and it really tried to gracefully introduce us to the RPG genre. Also, Origins had a lot of attention to detail whereas Valhalla ignored that and went full RPG.
I think Mirage has the perfect game design, and the only things holding it back are the AI, animations, and occasional bugs. All of those could be vastly improved if/when Bordeaux releases a new AC game. I mean, just look at how much they improved the AI between the 2-weeks-prior-to-launch demo and the game launch. If they can improve it that much over that short time span, then they could really deliver a rock-solid game in the future. I want Hitman-level AI (Hitman's AI has faults but it is the best among stealth games). I want a wider variety of animations that are natural and smooth (namely, Mirage has the issues with pauses in parkour and enemies stopping their task or momentum to be assassinated).
People hold those, quite frankly, minor issues against Mirage so ruthlessly. Sure, they may decrease the immersion, but the game is still really good.
@@frenchfriedbagel7035 Indeed. We can only hope and pray
The people who criticise it for not being Brotherhood or Black Flag or whatever, those games still exist. Mirage doesn’t remove them from circulation or erase them from physical collections. If you’re that hung up on the game not being something, play the game that is that something.
@@jbcatz5 well those people want new content with the exact same formula as Brotherhood and Black Flag. They want everything to be the same except for story, graphics, and the map.
Thank you for saying exactly what I've been thinking, people are being so negative yet this game is such a massive step forward for the franchise. Its honestly so GOOD.
In this day and age when it comes to games “it’s cool to hate” on stuff. I’m not gonna let these goofs turn me away from this game I’m getting it. Idc
Yep because it's not 12 steps forward to exactly where some want it it's terrible to them. Makes no sense.
@@pyrogold1363 That's a good way to operate. Obviously people don't have to like everything but the whole idea of going out of their way to make sure nobody else enjoys it is what irritates me about this game.
@@AlwaysCorrect-ke6tt This generation/era of gamers is the most entitled I've ever seen.
@@pyrogold1363 exactly. The "cool to hate" mentality causes content creators to cherry pick footage of rare bugs and say that's what the whole game is like. They also do intentionally bad inputs to make the parkour seem like it doesn't work. You can literally hear in their voices that their confusion about what the character is doing is a forced and fake reaction just for the content. And you have all the sheep who just believe them without watching raw, uncut gameplay.
Honestly everything you said was spot on. People needa understand that if the community shows Ubisoft that the approach of Mirage to stealth and parkour is what they truly want or would like Ubisoft to improve on or build on top of, we need to appreciate the risky step forward instead of complaining the moment we see one flaw in the game and ignoring the thousands of improvements they’ve made
yep. 80% of the game is good yet people dwell on the 20% of the time something bad shows up.
@@assassin8636then they wonder why the RPGs are back.
I fail to see what was so risky about MIRAGE. Taking VALHALLA and giving it a classic AC skin to wear while making the open combat a chore that incentivizes people to do stealth instead is not what I call risky. The stealth mechanics are there but they are more for show as they just have as much impact as the previous RPG-style. This is what the community has a problem with. They did not go back to the series roots. They simply took VALHALLA and started jangling keys of old stealth mechanics saying "remember this" and you people come to UBISOFT's defence as it made such an amazing effort to course correct lol
@@NANA-lt6hd you are upset that they included old stealth mechanics? How else would it be back to roots?
Also, they did not "simply" take Valhalla and make the combat encourage stealth. They also made a whole new map with plenty of parkour routes and designed bases with stealth in mind.
@@NANA-lt6hd again they are bringing back these new concepts and even new ones I've always wanted, like being overwhelmed in combat. We should be encouraging then to move further in this direction. Nothing wrong with criticism since I have them for this game too, but just saying it's bad will only make then turn back towards the RPGs. You got to treat a company like a dog.
Jay is spitting nothing but facts. Mirage isn’t my fave AC for sure, but it is a breath of fresh air after odyssey and Valhalla. As for the dlc bit, I think Bordeaux could’ve pursued a spin-off as a passion project while corporate only gave it the ok as a cash grab. I think Jay is absolutely right about negative reactions to mirage justifying a doubling down on Valhalla-scale games, and I think Ubi prefers it that way. Mirage gets more money and engagement than it ever could’ve as a Valhalla dlc, and instead of investing further into the things it got right the c-suite points to the reaction to justify pushing micro-transaction laden titles that once again are used as the skeleton for other spin-off titles. My guess is that this is what the future of infinity looks like. instead of major releases like Red having 3+ dlc expansions they get one or two, then a spin-off title that’s just different enough to hold the community over until the next major release changes things up again…and if they’re feeling generous maybe our helix credits become transferable across titles 😆
I agree. I personally prefer the RPGs but I’m not against this type of game either because this was kinda how they all used to be. Also with the games just being regularly released until the next big one is released. I agree with you there. I mean the next games after AC red seem to be good looking games, but simply there to keep people occupied until the next big thing. The main important thing about everything is to evolve with the times and despite how a lot of fans would like to go back to the classic AC, that style is actually becoming old. The stealth is still very popular though. After all, AC helix seems to be something completely different. Also I think it’s probably gonna be in the witch hunts back in Germany. Apologies if the way I wrote this seems complicated.
My understanding is that Hexe is some type of horror/thriller type game? After Mirage I’m definitely willing to keep an open mind for it, and the rumour has me curious how they approach it. For it to work, either Red offers a strong enough foundation to build off of, or Bordeaux is given the chance to do their own thing from scratch. If Red isn’t meaningfully different from Valhalla AND they use the same engine for Hexe, I won’t have high hopes. You’re absolutely right tho, the important thing for Ubi to do is evolve with the audience…I just don’t trust that they want to do that let alone that they’re capable of achieving it
its missed potential that what it is
@@assassin8636 yes really. it could have potential to be game of the year but it will be not. next year they can put up a goty version like they did with far cry 6. anyway ubisoft is in downspiral, mirage won´t save them
@@styxinclouds4747 there is no world in which Mirage would’ve ever won GOTY. We’re talking about Ubisoft Bordeaux here. This is their first full-release game, one lacking the time, resources, human capital, and autonomy necessary to do much beyond what they accomplished here. Their passion is obvious through the marketing and the game itself, but Saint-Mandé hamstrung them with the Valhalla engine from the beginning and I guarantee that was intentional.
I'm 12 hours in game. Mirage is game i've waited for 15 years. It has its flaws, but has everything I wanted since then: assassins, arabic setting, parkour, improved stealth. 9/10 because it lacks fluidity, interesting metaphysical story, music i can remember. But overall im really into it. It really is my assassins creed fantasy.
Im 46 hours in to finally finish the last 2 challanges
I didn't fast travel and walked or sailed my boat everywhere to really take it all in and it's made me want to do a second playthrough now with aa different playstyle
yeah, and turn off compass!@@LowlyEidolon
@@tedskinhead I've had compass, lock target, weapons, tools, tool tips, codex pages, mission prompts, all turned off
Only have eagle vision, store (traders and the speaker guy) and interactables
My next playthrough with have no hud at all
If thats how you justify wasting $50 on a dlc, you do you
@@nah4506 doesn't matter of it is justified or not, if it is dlc or not, we have short time on this rock, as long as we find happiness, don't have an overly negative impact on others, and enjoy what we do, that's what matters.
I'm sorry you have some sour emotions about either mirage or AC or ubisoft and don't know how to be kind
Some overly critical people have unresolved inner turmoil
100% I feel like they get so hyped because they've nothing else to look forward to and then they play the game and go "but my life is still pathetic" and they blame the game 🤣🤣 don't get me wrong I've seen plenty of valid criticism but for the most part it's people crying about stuff that really doesn't matter
You guys need to grow up, people don't have mental issues just because they crap on a game you like.
Some people just have higher standards and expectations of a triple A company
@@channel45853thank you man, a voice of reason in this stupid ass comment section
@@llama6394Are you guys forgetting this isn’t even Ubisoft A team. Ubisoft Bordeaux is way smaller team and the fact they did what did with the little time they had since they have barely 500 developers is pretty impressive. The game isn’t perfect but not as bad as some people make out to be. Literally feels like y’all are just hating because it’s Ubisoft.
Bro I 100% this game 2 days ago and I like it better than the last 3 in terms of what it offered. Everyone was complaining that Odyssey and Origins need to be about assassins again but I'm convinced that some people want it to be 2007 again rather than the franchise going back to roots. There are legit criticisms about this game but for the most part the hate seems super forced.
Agreed I enjoyed this more than the last 3 rpg games though doesn’t mean I didn’t hate them, I enjoyed origins for what it was the first rpg game a fresh take on AC exploring Egypt and bayek as a character seeing him form the foundation of the creed and expanded upon in hidden ones dlc, for me odyssey just had fun demi god gameplay that’s pretty much it and why I chugged through the whole game and it’s dlcs was merely for gameplay combining isu powers was cool to play with kassandra was tolerable as for Valhalla didn’t have any of what both games had the story was dragged upon for gameplay oh sigurds been captured oh no we should find him!!! Nah Let’s go capture some territories and find out what happens next in the story many hours later and the ending was garbage , mirage was a breath of fresh air that I haven’t experienced since the first time playing AC1 going to a bureau doing it’s small side tasks to get your main assassination target
Idk what it offered, the game has just 6 side quests. Devs said that in Mirage they are making more density over quantity, while even the first island in Valhalla has a lot more side content than the entire Mirage. It's so lazy and just...empty and feels like they have devs now who can barely do anything at all, like actually as if they hired tons of women and "women" by quotas and can't fire them now not to get a backlash and just are hostages of this situation. Idk how else to explain that
@@lepersonnage371 bro what 💀🤡
@@lepersonnage371 Norway doesn't have 1/3 of what Mirage is, you're simply wrong here.
@@lepersonnage371There are more than 6 side quests... Norway has less content than Mirage, that's intentional as Norway is the prologue and Mirage is an entire game... You're just talking out of your ass.
If we want Ubisoft to make better assassin's creed games, then we should support Mirage more rather than complaining about it
Exactly! That's what I kept telling people
Ppl have been buying these rpg games and microtansactions for 6 years and the quality has only gotten worse
We should support our lazy partners rather than complaining about them, even though they’re getting worse. Just keep giving them your money and telling them they’re fine 😊 it WILL get better 💀
@@ClanToreador the heck are you talking about?
@@monokill7699he’s speaking facts
I’ve been with this series since the very beginning. Grew up with the franchise and played every mainline entry (mirage is the first I’ve played on launch day) and I gotta say they nailed it with this game. Ironically enough my only complaint is that I want more of it! NG+ and the ability to replay missions and contracts would be great. If you’ve watched the dev diaries you can see that they didn’t lie about anything.
I'm with you on the NG+ and replayable contracts. If Bordeaux continues to produce games like Mirage (hopefully they do), it would be awesome to have a hitman style menu for the missions, being able to choose gear and disguises... etc.
I feel the same way, and this is also the first AC I've played on launch day. However, I would give this an 8/10 simply because of the technical flaws. The game design is incredible, but the AI, few bugs, and animations (pauses in parkour and enemies stopping tasks/momentum to be assassinated) all need to be worked on for Bordeaux's (hopefully) next title or even Mirage DLC. If we could have fully polished animations with high attention to detail and Hitman-level AI, with zero bugs, Mirage would be 10/10.
@@TexasIronLegendthe momentum stuff exists since ac2, you can't air assassinate someone who moves without him stopping, ac unity tried it and it looks junky AF you become the speed of light and dash on a walking grunt is not as appealing as just the guy stopping
@@TexasIronLegendno it wouldn't be a 10/10 due to the lack of story and char depth. Also no (decent) modern day. I'm still thankful for mirage tho.
@@dasarchiv3508 I meant gameplay wise it would be 10/10
Story is purely subjective so I didn't include that
That’s not even with Mirage. AC fans have been this way for well over a decade now
I love this series, but it’s fandom is (understandably) the most embittered single player community I’ve ever seen. And misery loves company.
My 2 favourite game franchises are Assassin's Creed and Souls, and the funny thing is their communities couldn't be any more polar opposite. The AC community hates everything that comes out, even if it's good, while the Souls community praises everything that comes out as a perfect 10/10 masterpiece bullying people into submission for bringing flaws up. These are 2 of the most toxic gaming communities that have ever existed.
@Fuckleknuckleexactly,complaining about some of the newer reasons yet pushed the series away from what it was supposed to be by pressurint ubisoft to almost completely remove the modern day sections
Yeah there are a lot of people being ridiculous about this game.
I was hesitate on buying it because of Valhalla, but I'm surprised on how enjoyable the game is. I really love just jumping around buildings and doing stealth kills rather than doing story.
I dont understand why, "it was supposed to be a dlc, so its a cash grab" is an argument because wasnt brotherhood supposed to be a dlc originally?
Omg THANK YOU I'm so sick of people constantly complaining about "true AC games" yet not even making an effort to try Mirage. I had so much fun with the stealth and infiltration in this game, it felt like I was back playing Black Flag and Rogue !
Nobody said the game was perfect but it's definitely going in the right direction if you like the old AC game
Dude I feel ya on that! I'm a big assassin's creed fan, the old games, and I was one of the people who professed AC should go back to its roots, and for what they had to work with and what they're trying to accomplish, Ubisoft did a great job with mirage! Like it isn't perfect and not my fav ac but for what it is, a bridge between old and new AC, it's really good for the shit storm it went through with fans. This is a victory in my eyes honestly!
Exactly, look at the glass half full instead of half empty.
that's like Mario being a fps with no platforming for a decade with scum mtx design and then getting a "Mario Run" game than a actual Mario game and being told "well its not perfect but its a step in the right direction"
@@marcusclark1339 except thats an insanely extreme example that is in no way what the AC franchise is like.
I appreciate your voice of reason. I worry the hate mobs around new game releases has gotten louder and louder over the last decade, and I think more videos speaking from a place of sensibility, such as your video here, are very important for developers and gamers alike.
In terms of structure this felt like a lot of the first game in that a lot of the structure is doing investigations to identify, track down and assassinate a target before reporting it back. But this has more variety in how it’s done. As Basim works closer to finding out who the head of the order in Baghdad is he climbs the ranks as Altaïr did, getting an accessory for each rank achieved.
Only thing I wish they would’ve done with those ranks is like more of a ceremony for achieving them like brotherhood with the recruits earning rank of master and getting a ceremony where ezio knights them but I do think it might’ve messed with the story of mirages fluidity maybe because when Basim became a master he wasn’t rlly in good graces with the brotherhood (or Roshan if u want the specifics which was his Master at the time) so maybe they didn’t do those ceremonies so the game would flow better and u wouldn’t just get some random side content in the middle of an intense story.
My biggest issues come from those that refuse to let people enjoy things. Obviously, you are allowed to have discussions about what you think a product does well or poorly, but I'm referring to the people who reply with vitriolic hate when you enjoy something. "You're just a *insert buzzword here* because you like X thing."
As an assasins creed fan I love mirage so much. It’s the first game in years that feels like a legitimate assasins creed experience
I think it's even more bizarre that no one talks about Patrice Désilets, the original creator of the AC series.
He was fired around the time of Brotherhood. You can tell the series started to go all over the place with its direction and slowly lose its identity shortly after his departure.
I think it's really bizarre because if this was other creator such as Kojima to his Metal Gear series, no one would think that the series would be "OK" moving forward without him.
I love the stealth focus, the characters felt a bit stale, LOVED the density of the city, I would prefer if the investigation missions were more than just “go up to glowing object and press y”
Big mixed bag, but definitely still fun to play
If i may my friend, i believe it has to do with differences of cultures, i personally couldn't enjoy AC ODYSSEY while i relate to MIRAGE deeply .
I think nostalgia is a huge component to this. You can never live up to it.
100 percent agree. Nostalgia baits are the reason newer games gets hate.
But wait for 10 years when AC: Africa or some shit comes out then they will be like AC Mirage was the masterpiece and this new game sucks.
And the cycle continues
@@Billioncompany786 i doubt mirage will ever be called a masterpiece , its a shadow of the earlier games and never lives up to them.
@@katehigen7018 Who calls Unity a Masterpiece, but it has remember fondly now ... Same thing will happen to Mirage.
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I personally enjoyed Mirage, I felt connected to the characters and was intrigued by the story and the directions it took. My only complaints would be some of the parkour elements were a little janky, and sometimes using equipment wouldn’t work. That stuff is easily fixable with a patch.
I really dont understand people who complain about name The Hidden Ones like Assassins are inspired by real life Assassins from 11-13th century and Order of Assassins was established in 1091 so i feel like its cool that they make them not carry the name Assassins until 1091 and same goes for Templars/Order of Ancients Templars was established in 1118
Yet they have a female, middle eastern woman, master assassin in 9th centaury Baghdad.
The trouble with Mirage is that it's not half as good as the best pre-origins AC games. I feel no desire to play it. I'd rather play either ac4, unity, ac3, Syndicate or rogue (in that order) again. If half baked attempts is all Ubisoft can deliver I'm not spending money on that.
I had a blast playing this game. I love that it was stealth oriented because at the end of the day that’s what assassin‘s creed was born from. It’s a stealth game. You play as an assassin so I loved it. I just wish that you be Ubisoft Bordeaux could make more assassin Creed games.
Love the fact that combat pushes you back into stealth too.
that's like Mario being a fps with no platforming for a decade with scum mtx design and then getting a "Mario Run" game than a actual Mario game and being told "well its not perfect but its a step in the right direction"
@@marcusclark1339or Mario being an rpg.....wait. the problem wasn't the rpg gameplay it was the hard pivot to it. I also think a major problem with open worlds is that franchises tend to only use them once. Imagine an origins trilogy where the opeh world gets more fleshed out each game.
I just don't know if this game is worth supporting. In the one hand I think it is worth supporting because it's a step in the correct direction. But in the other hand I think it's not really a return to roots at all, as in it's not enough of a step in the correct direction.
Personally I'm not going to be excited for an AC game until it returns the more weighted, slower, realistic combat style of AC2. Those earlier ACs had the best combat style, not this hack 'n slash of modern ACs.
Yes mirage is a step in the right direction but why should we be celebrating that? It doesn’t make sense to tell people to ignore all of it's flaws as a product and support the game just for the possibility that ubisoft give us what we want eventually.
It's no suprise that fans are frustrated with a triple A company that hasn't met or exceeded expectations for years. They love the game with a passion and see so much potential in the franchise but ubisoft is incapable of actually delivering an experience that will blow you away.
Have you ever thought that supporting might send Ubisoft the message that Fans want a Full AC games and RPG Games and next time they might make the game with better parkour and better everything
Hearing that mirage is the best selling game and surpassing valhalla within a week gives me hope they'll look at mirage and improve of this style and give ubisoft Bordeaux more resources and a new engine to truly give us a return to roots one day. Mirage has its fair share of issues, but it's a step in the right direction comparative to the garbage we got with valhalla. I'm actually kinda liking it
@__Mystiik__ no shit moron, doesn't change that ubisoft Bordeaux actually cares and it shows. Ubisofts lazy and bullshit corporate greed still shows vastly more and holds back the game from becoming something truly great. I'll never buy an ac game after mirage unless they look at these numbers and give Bordeaux new assets and resources to work with. Valhallas engine is the only reason this game feels "basic" to u. I don't like the copy and pasted animations either but its all we got rn. It's either this or the horrendous ass valhalla. I'd rather take mirage any day
@__Mystiik__you crybabies majority agree this game is much more fun than last two games and much better stealth than Ezio trilogy combined
No one wanted the game to fail, even a lot of the skeptics were actually wondering if this is a return to a more stealth based assassin's creed. The problem is, it's not a return to a more stealth based assassin's creed, it's a return to their original formula from AC Origins just with areas crafted specifically for being stealth this time. Their action RPG games a lot of hardcore fans of the series didn't like, it's something Ubisoft isn't particularly good at (Odyssey was a slog to get through with the repetitive RPG elements) so I think people were more or less just hoping for anything that wasn't Altair but with health bars and terrible character models. Cool you like the game and will blindly suck it off but this isn't a good assassins creed game however you look at it and the fans knew from the jump.
How is it not a good assassin creed game?
@@TheVIITV assassin's creed wasn't just about sneaking around, finding clues then killing people. It was about espionage. You had targets you had to track, targets to interrogate, targets to pickpocket or steal from instead of just murder, all while weaving a narrative set in a historical setting. This game is good but it's not a good assassins creed game and that's okay.
@@that_deadeyegamer7920 I understand and well Mirage does have all of that except interrogation and a complete historical narrative, even tho the narrative is still in a historical setting. But it was always a DLC, it’s not a full game and was never meant to be hence the price drop. Looking at it from the lens of what it’s actually meant to be I believe it to be a solid assassins creed project. But again if it wasn’t the experience you wanted I understand, I just don’t think that makes it “not a good assassins creed”.
@@that_deadeyegamer7920
Espionage literally IS sneaking around and gathering clues. The game has pickpocketing/stealing, so that's a moot point. Which only leaves interrogations, which to your credit, I don't believe the game has from what I can remember. And finally, the game absolutely has a narrative set in a historical setting.
Your comment is nonsensical to anyone who stops and thinks for more than 3 seconds
@@ARC--5973 it's literally just a reskin of the Odyssey and Origins formula dude.
"Sneak" into open fort or city, find info, kill target. Originally, assassin's Creed had more than just "sneak, find target, kill target", there where missions where you were prohibited from killing entirely, missions that required disguise, all of which are espionage related that this game completely glossed over for flashy stealth kills and a historically accurate but narrative empty world, compared to the other games. You can like the game but even the base mechanics of AC Liberation puts this game to shame.
I think it's less about the game, more about people wanting to go back to 2012. Where we (young adults) had an easier and more exciting life, or at least nostalgia makes us think so.
Yeah there's a meme that kind of encapsulates that idea. I don't remember the exact wording but it's basically something like " you don't miss thing x, but you miss how you felt and where your life was at when it came out." There certainly are products that have gone considerably downhill that used to be better but think a lot of the times people more miss the magical feelings they had playing it, which they're not going to get as an adult because they've been kind of jaded by the world and experiences. I genuinely believe that if some of the games that people grew up playing came out. Now, it's not that they wouldn't be good, but they wouldn't affect the person as much because they are so bogged down by day-to-day life.
Him saying they didn’t get the unity engine made me realize that they actually could have gotten it and built the game on that and it kinda hurts
Wtf, that's messed up.
It's the same engine. This game had less time and budget so they used more of the readily available assets
@@usmanqureshi8941 This isn't the Unity engine, it's the Valhalla engine
@@truegamer_007 ok, you're technically correct, but also not. Let me explain. Ubisoft has been using different iterations of the Anvil engine for AC
Scimitar: AC1
Anvil: AC2, Brotherhood, Revelations
AnvilNext: AC3, Black Flag, Rogue
AnvilNext 2.0: Unity, Syndicate, Origins Odyssey
Ubisoft Anvil: Valhalla, Mirage
While the engines are "different", Origins, Odyssey and Valhalla are functionally the same game and Mirage is a slight tweak on Valhalla. It's not an engine thing, it's an asset thing.
@@usmanqureshi8941 I know all this, what you trying to explain to me? I'm obviously not talking about different engines, I'm talking about different iterations of the same engine. The Unity version could have been used if they wanted a more parkour focused game.
Why would you want a company that continually rips you off, and sold a DLC as a full game to fail?
I think most people who started on Odyssey and Valhalla are not used to how Assassin’s Creed used to be and not patient with a full stealth game idk I could be wrong but I honestly love that they’re going back to full stealth because the game is called Assassin’s Creed for a reason. You’re supposed to be stealthy and plan your every move not just run in and swing at everything in sight
agree
basically, they don't know what an actual assassin's creed game is like
Yeah, honestly the toxic fans are the ones who are ruining the series, not the devs themselves. They’re never satisfied with anything. They’re never satisfied with any changes made and they’re also never satisfied when there’s no change. This game looks and plays better than Valhalla and is a nice homage to the original. Like, just let people enjoy what they enjoy, ya know.
Love the game, it was cheap, the cuty is so beutiful, the gamplay and story is fine. I love spending time in this game man, they did great with the big city
People are getting fed up of bland ubisoft story telling, voice acting, awful facial animations
In a year of absolute quality games, they have a right to be upset
Everything you said is accurate! I have played every single AC title but feel like I’m in weird boat because I love the old school AND the newer huge open world titles. Mirage does have its flaws (as do all of them) but I had fun and enjoyed it. I’ve always looked at the parkour as continuously evolving. The store is so out of the way, one could easily avoid it completely. I did. But yeah I feel like most AC fans just love to complain…A lot! And those are the ones who will never be happy with anything Ubisoft puts out.
People nowadays think being critical means being negative
Well said. The criticisms being raised are not specific to this game, climbing has always been a bit buggy. It is built on Valhalla’s engine which was not the best if we are honest, the devs have worked miracles.
The biggest bug I’ve had in any AC game was in Syndicate. I went to jump from one train to another, which was a mandatory part of a main story mission and ended up inside a carriage with no door to exit, and that was within the last year post any performance patches. I’ve not had anything like that in Mirage and I’ve been playing since day 1.
I also clearly recall how buggy climbing was in AC 1 and 2, the amount of times I went to climb up the last bit at the top of a tower or after a lengthy climb and the player just jumped clear off the building to their death 😂
Yea anyone who says AC always had fluid climbing is smoking dick. Unity’s definitely *looked* the best but holy hell Arno had a mind of his own
Anvil or "valhalla engine" is the engine from ac4 tho it's just outdated mostly
AnvilNext2.0 is used since Unity.
There is no such thing as "Valhalla engine".
Even if people hate on mirage too much, there are still valid points.
Janky animations in combat that makes it look like none of your hits connect with opponents. The peak of combat was in Brotherhood - ACIV, sure it was easy but the way of you being able to fistfight, use hidden blade as weapon during combat made it enjoyable. I wanted to use Hidden blade in combat and parry with it, just like in AC B, but nope. You can't even do counter kills like AC1-2.
Parkour is not good. Miles better than in AC odyssey and valhalla, but it ain't much of improvement. The other stuff is glowing effect. Why the fck enemies have to glow? Sure in past games it was animus thing(Locking onto enemies) but now they glow in red, yellow when they attack. This looks disgusting.
Why should I stop complaining the moment I get a mediocre, uninspired stealth game? Wtf? Mirage feels worse to play moment to moment than Unity did, and that game's 9 years old.
Also, I never personally minded the RPG trilogy or the direction the series went in, and judging by the sales, neither did most of the people, it was only the vocal minority that kept complaining, and after Valhalla's piss-poor state and overall bloat, that vocal minority got even louder.
I like classic AC, but Mirage feels too safe and in result, boring as hell.
He never said "stop complaining" he said to stop wanting the games to fail because you have a bitter hatred towards Ubisoft.
As a fan of old games who after Origins didn't even bought next two AC games, bc I saw it's just more of the same watered down rpg's, I wouldn't say I want mirage to fail. I just don't care. Who likes it let them have their fun, but for me it's not like old games. It's more like some hybrid between old and new games
Look i don’t play games often if at all but the reason i played AC was A. Because its a single player open world series, B. I like history and some of the accuracy (which has been used in some school classes) of the geography and the figures used in the game along with how i get attached to some characters like Ezio who imo is probably in the top 5 for me as far as I invest time with and emotionally attach with and id imagine if i get around to RDR 2 arthur would be up there too. But with the recent games adding all the alien-y ISU stuff it stripped away all what the games once were. I get the Apple of eden in the OG games was still that but at least it didn’t play a massive part as much as these later installments. I only really enjoyed Valhalla because i happen to enjoy Norse mythology. This one i just can’t get into watching gameplay knowing Basim is essentially Loki reborn. The gameplay itself looks a lot better and less Dark soul, Elder scrolls style. I played AC for the parkour and stealth not to ride horses across thousands of acres of land and magic, if i wanted to do that ill play the elder scroll games. However i wish nothing ill of this game because at least they sort of listened to the audience and brought back some of the reminiscences of the older games. I played Unity recently and that game seems underrated. I like Arno. He seemed charismatic and funny and also deadly. Wish they could go back entirely to keeping it like that with just people set in a certain time period without the whole basim suddenly now being in modern era. Would love to know more about Arno. Or another Game with Connor or another set in london. They created those games with such great characters yet we spent little time with them?
Nothing will satisfy Assassin's Creed "fans".
this game is literally so good, ive beaten it and the only complaint i have right now is that i wish there was more after the game ends😭 begging for that new game plus update soon
100% it
Game ass how can you like it
I can understand calling any sort of excessive hostility toxic but also this is sort of just an issue that’s plain to see, the games aren’t getting remarkably or even marginally better, if anything it feels more hollow with each installment, this is a lesson in free market capitalism, if your business fails because the people don’t want your product then their failure is ultimately their own fault. Having opinions, standards, even expectations as consumers is our right, refusing to buy the product is the only way we can individually contribute to a change, Disney seems like they’re finally understanding that they need to do things differently or become history that’s because of people refusing to buy into things they don’t want. It’s like corporate Natural selection
I haven't played mirage yet but so far it looks like Ubisoft have listened to the OG fans and tried to bring it back to the roots which I appreciate. Looking forward to playing it.
I saw a short of someone playing this game and people were making fun of him and were being a d*ck cause he enjoys this game. The hate for this game is just so unnecessary
Just because Mirage does things folks ask for doesn't mean its good enough to please people. They have the right to not like it or be upset.
Id like a return to form and sure Mirage is a nice "step" but its not worth it. The "was slated for Valhala dlc" stink is still there imo. Facial animations, story, combat etc sucks. Also maybe things dont complain about stuff in older games but do with newer games is because...its the newer game. Those bugs shouldnt be there now
I’m almost certain unless Ubisoft writes ezio back to life, makes him immortal and makes him the main protagonist for every single assassins creed moving forward they aren’t gonna be happy
And I assure you that they would still complain somehow.
Real fans want it to succeed, it's the ones that have only played Origins, Odyssey and Valhalla that want it to fail.
I love AC Valhalla and I think AC Mirage is great and a good AC game
that's like Mario being a fps with no platforming for a decade with scum mtx design and then getting a "Mario Run" game than a actual Mario game and being told "well its not perfect but its a step in the right direction"
real fans want better than the BARe MINIMUM
we've been yelling for over a deacade and what we get is a half ass "here ya go" and people think CRITIQUING IT IS HATE, this is what the industry has conditioned, conformity to scraps
My problem with mirage is how amateur it feels. The game reuses almost everything from Valhalla. From animations, to Hud elements... Basic stuff that should have been priority. What we got was Ubisoft C Team transforming a dlc into a full game and it shows. Back to its roots in such a shit way, I kinda understand the hate
It is sad to see that Mirage didn't get high praise and I hope Ubisoft doesn't get rid of Ubisoft Bordeaux cause I feel like they really want to make a great AC game, but I feel like they didn't have enough resources to make it like I feel like they are being limited by the same game engine that has been used for AC Valhalla. Its probably about time that Ubisoft upgrades their engine to better limits or they create another engine entirely, but I wonder if Ubisoft will not let Ubisoft Bordeaux create a AC Game after this even though it was their first shot
I'm SO GLAD you made this video! No joke I've had so many of the same thoughts that I considered making a video saying the exact same thing myself. I agreed with every point you made,(including the splinter cell one. lol), but ESPECIALLY with people getting mad that it isn't "good enough", not realizing that if this game does poorly they won't go this direction again. I've bought every stealth-focused assassin's creed hoping that the franchise would shift in this direction and I'm so glad this experiment for Ubisoft seems to have paid off. And I'm even more glad to see someone making a video about this and saying what needs to be said.
Great video. Parts of the fandom are really toxic. They just keep complaining despite Ubisoft giving them everything they wanted after Valhalla. Valhalla was their best seller of all time, yet Ubisoft did something different for those fans that didn’t like Valhalla, and wanted more stealth and an Assassin focused sorry. And they still complained.
we are the ones who supported ac right from the beginning. we have the right to shit on the awful gameplay mechanics. it's very good in many aspects, especially the story, but still nothing impressive when it comes to actual gameplay. people who complain are the ones who keep the standards high, you should thank us.
"you should thank us" lmao, feeling quite entitled I see
thing is, complaining and giving constructive criticism is not the same
@@domovoi2861 they are not the same but they usually are done together. you cant expect everyone to make a youtube video going in depth about every detail. if the gameplay is crap, it's enough to say so
@@descree7thank you for what? For being babies crying all The time ac changed to rpg style in The first place now its going back to its roots here you are again. Smh
@@TheNissandd You just assume going back to the roots means they did it well.
THANK YOU FOR FINALLY SAYING IT!!!
I really enjoyed mirage for what it is and it quickly became my third favourite Assassin's Creed game. It really bothers me that whenever someone mentions this game, all they do is hate it. I really loved mirage and I hope they add new game plus or dlc
Here is why many of us are disappointed: There are so many clips out there comparing Mirage with Unity. How the hell is it possible that the 10 years older predecessor is in many essential aspects (motion physics, parkour, movie scenes, facial expressions, etc.) actually FAR better than its 'successor' in 2023? Yes, there might be a development in the right direction BUT that should have been the standard more than 10 years ago. Ubisoft has evolved for sure...just backwards. Now to pretend that everything is going to be fine because of Mirage will undoubtedly induce Ubisoft to keep their lower standards. The AI e.g. has never changed and guards are still dumb as f***, hence stealth doesnt feel rewarding.
Go play unity my boy and stop having a heart attack
I wasn't a hater from day 1, but I was of the crowd that approaches games with caution, because of how many times we've been burned by the industry.
A huge part of my gripe with Mirage is that, while it pays homage to old AC very well, and does everything it sets out accomplish... the old AC formula was never strong to begin with, and nobody seems to want to admit it. ESPECIALLY the fans. The gameplay loop and stealth mechanics was always mediocre, and many games since have raised the bar considerably. I can enjoy the game as it is, but it's nowhere near the level of MGS V, Dishonored, etc. And keep in mind this is coming from someone who loves AC, especially Unity. This franchise has never been the peak of stealth games, so it's release was very lukewarm for me.
And by mediocre, I mean trailing missions, absolutely dumb AI, poor storytelling through half the franchise. I'm being as honest as I can as a longtime fan, this series has so much unrealized potential, and they never seem to hit the mark, despite having all the ingredients
I didn't expect too much but I appreciated the step back to the roots and bought it on release. We have to support the direction to create an opportunity of improvement.
Overall I think mirage is solid and have potential. Of course it could be better but as mentioned Bordeaux was limited in all ways and tried their bests. They build Bagdad for parkour and tweaked the traversal speed which is an improvement but the engine just doesn't allow more. For me parkour is the weakest part of the game although it's very important in an AC game. Most annoying thing is that Basim glues to objects or randomly gets sticked to it even without going for parkour.
I hope you remember how the pakour in old games were just as glitchy if not worse 😂 I remember ac 1 where I would try to climb and Altair would do some glitchy climb with his hands also remember how unity pakour system was also glitchy at times where Arno would kinda like stop while climbing or do some glitchy climb so assassin creed never really had a flawless system for it but I mean of course unity had the most potential for the franchise
@@ad5st178I think the parkour got better over the years except the rpg games but holy the combat in mirage is terrible
This is my first time watching one of your videos and I enjoyed this video. I’m a huge AC fan and I feel AC Mirage hit the right spot for me. Ubisoft listened to its fans and gave them what they asked for. In today’s day and age, I’m used to seeing big companies blame their fans. I really appreciate this game and what Ubisoft did.
It's very easy man. People want:
Good story
Good side quests
Good characters
Good combat system
Good cutscenes
Good villains
Good and memorable story missions
Good dialogues and philosophical debates
People do not want:
A valhalla DLC with some randomly put AC1 mechanics,that in some cases are even worse than in 2007(like stealing)
Nothing that I listed above is in Mirage.That's why huge fans from AC1 are mad.This games proves Ubisoft are not simply not wanting to truly bring the series back to its roots, they don't know how to. They think this is enough, when in reality its a disaster and I'm very mad people are talking "yeah,that's what we wanted", like what did you want?This?No thank you,it's a disgrace of a game,complimenting it for beautiful Bagdad and better stealth,no sorry guys, but this is not enough
Sounds like you expected to much this was never going to be all of those things in the short time they began developing this gsme
@@jamesjohn8740 They why say "back to the roots" and charge 50$? Say it's a Valhalla DLC for 20-30$ and I would have probably let it slide
One thing I wanted to see Ubisoft do was innovate on Unity's Multiplayer. Make more missions, maybe allow for character customization or maybe just bring it back in general. I loved Unity's multiplayer and I wanted them to bring it back
Assassin's Creed fans understands 10 years of mediocre and unfinished games with microtransactions.
I don't understand why this game is considered an AC
Cope
Mirage is amazing. It was the first game in years that pulled me in so much that i platinumed it. It was a return the what the franchise used to be. Baghdad felt alive. I hope future AC games take on a similar approach
Also you can see the same thing happening to Starfield. For whatever reason it’s popular to say the games dogshit, generic, a failure or whatever despite it being Bethesda’s biggest game launch *ever*. Yes, even bigger than skyrim. And the reviewers who dared to actually enjoy the game were accused of being shills.
At this point I fully blame gamers for the direction gaming has taken
Ok but Starfield is a game that promised us a skyscraper and gave us a caravan home. Todd Howard is known for his deception about every game he releases, and his games have been nothing but stale and repetitive since Skyrim. There's a difference between a game that's humbly priced, with reasonable expectations, and the biggest worldwide launch for Xbox that graphically looks like it was cooked for a PS3/Xbox 360. Just not the same, these games are not comparable.
Completely different situations. Perhaps on a surface level with no context, I can kind of see what you mean, but the context for both completely changes EVERYTHING. If the only thing you looked at was the response, they still wouldn't be comparable.
@@aliceinwonderland4395Todd Howard isn't the only guy working at Bethesda, he isn't some indie dev releasing games only he made.
@@aliceinwonderland4395 he promised a Bethesda game in space, we received a Bethesda game in space. You’re just further proving my point
@@windebiesteultima3317 I'm proving my own point. Mirage promised a good game and we got a good game. Todd Howard promised a good game and we got a shit game. What's difficult to understand?
I think the hate for Mirage is from a vocal minority, possibly the audience that came into Assassin's Creed at the RPG Trilogy.
Love AC: Mirage. The moment I opened the inventory and wasn't greeted with 10,000 stat values and damage values, I breathed a sigh of relief.
Considering the team was given 2 years to make mirage, AND they never made full on games, mostly just DLCs is incredible.
Was it a flawless execution? No but you can tell they wanted to make an AC game, not a bloated out RPG.
Don’t worry, Jay. Not all og fans are hating on this game. In fact, some really appreciate and maybe even love it. You got ac TH-camrs (ie. Leo K Rogue, Altair Stealth, The Exile, MasterAssassin, Walshie, etc) who are in favor of og ac and are very thankful for the game. The same thing applies to many ac twitter profiles who want classic ac back. I myself am very appreciative of what mirage is doing, even in spite of it not being completely what I want out of an ac game. All in all, I hope the complainers don’t give og fans a bad image, cuz they really don’t represent all of us.
P.S. I really hope mirage is well received, cuz I’ve been starving for a traditional ac experience for awhile now and I really want Ubisoft to continue pushing in this direction.
I think the good news is that it seems like Ubi considers Mirage a success. That should hopefully mean that, in the future, they might be pushing further back into the AC roots that people seem to want, and further away from the RPGs that people seem to not want
A lot of people like the rpg element. It’s just the hateful loud majority who keeps complaining about it….
Same thing with the haters of mirage. Think about it
@@arrexu01 The complainers are almost always louder than the ones who are happy, sadly. Personally, I really enjoyed Origins, but that was the last one I played. I bet I'd enjoy the other ones if I picked them up
@@arrexu01Some people's brain work differently i guess, i don't understand people who likes the brain dead, repetetive, boring RPG elements and cringe ass story in new AC games. You're all a different kind of species to like actual garbage.
the simple fact that ive seen AC fans say the game doesnt innovate anything and at the same time say they want ubisoft to go back to the old style tells us how dumb those fans are.
Finally someone gets it, I hope this video trends more
last assassins creed game i played was syndicate, after that i just got tired of the franchise. I totally skipped all the assassins creed that had the rpg mechanics, is it recommended to jump right back in with mirage?
I’m late but don’t buy mirage the game is not good
It depends on what you want in an AC game. Mirage is perfect for me personally. You might want something else though.
This is the price you pay when u diverge an IP's mechanics away from its roots. You divide the fanbase.
It's very similar to Creative Assembly's Total War series.
The RPG fans arguably aren't part of the original fanbase. Ubisoft made RPGs after the hype of Witcher 3 to appeal to a wider audience, and a lot of those people didn't play the first 9 AC games. From my observation in youtube, reddit, twitter, etc it seems like most of the RPG fans are new zoomer fans who think anything before Origins is a dinosaur.
These new fans don't care if Assassins aren't featured in an *Assassins* Creed game. They don't care about social stealth or quick assassination mechanics. Because all the RPG fans ever known are the RPGs.
Back when Syndicate came out, fans were understandably frustrated because Ubisoft was turning AC into a yearly low effort release like Call of Duty. Syndicate was still a good game but was too similar to Unity. If Ubisoft wasn't so greedy and spent like 3+ years to make better AC games, *improving upon* the original AC formula instead of throwing it all away to do copy-paste RPGs, we wouldn't have this problem.
It's honestly not the fans fault here, but Ubisoft who brought them here in the first place. Now they got to deal with it
Yea we miss a lot of the things from the Unity AC3,4 days but what we can appreciate and no one is saying is that Ubisoft has always been consistent with is historical accuracy and the scale of the settings. I mean Paris, London, Egypt, Greece the settings are gorgeous and jaw dropping even today
Welcome to the world of today where every whiner and complainer on the planet has the ability to post a comment.
trust it's not just AC.
It's not just gaming.
It's everything.
I'm an OG AC fan. I've been playing AC since 2008 and even though I really liked Origins and really really didn't like AC III, I'll always be a supporter of the "old school" AC.
I have played all main titles of this franchise, also the last two. About them I can say, that I really enjoyed playing Odyssey - as an RPG. It was a terrible AC game, but since I'm also a huge fan of RPG, I started to seperate these two things in my mind and viewed Odyssey simply as a standalone RPG, that's how I was able to enjoy it.
With Valhalla I have a more complicated relationship. They already promised for Valhalla to walk some steps back to the roots, with bringing nack the (not so) hidden blade and social stealth. That's why I gave it a try. Here, it was impossible for me to separate the AC from the RPG, because the game tried to be so much of both, that in the end, it sucked at both of them. I really didn't like Valhalla.
I was very wary about Mirage because I didn't like Basim in Valhalla and didn't know if I wanted him as a protagonist. And also because they broke their promise for Valhalla (going back to the roots), I didn't know if I wanted to give it a try.
I'm around 15 hours in and I really enjoy its linearity and story. It's not entirely an "old school" AC and it doesn't have to be. Not all new things from the newer games are bad. I'm happy that they kept in the stealth from the newer games (crouching and hiding), and I'm also happy that they reduced the RPG elements to a minimum.
For me it's definitely a step into the right decision (means, back to the roots) and even though it won't be my favourite AC game, I'd place it definitely higher than Valhalla or Odyssey.
Mirage gets the setting and story beats right in terms of returning to the old formula. In terms of gameplay, stealth and movement, it feels like a massive step back compared to what it used to be. Just running around in the last 4 games (mirage included) literally feels like you have no momentum and no weight at all. You can change direction almost instantly and when you move it feels more like your sliding across the ground combined with a running animation. This issue bleeds into all other aspects of movement. In a game series where movement WAS the foundation of what made it good, making it SUCK and then trying to fit everything else to what it used to be just feels like massive disrespect to old fans.
"OG" fans deserve nothing but disrespect because they want only ezio and shit on anything else
@@desdee7615wrd “OG fans” deserve no respect mfers are annoying
I'm an OG fan, been playing since the first game came out, I love both the traditional AC games and RPG AC games. I gotta say there are so many other og fans are are straight up toxic, there will be other fans out there who say even one positive thing about the RPG games and og fans would act like twitter users over it. It's really sad.
Granted a lot of that discontent is aimed towards Ubisoft and that is totally fair imo. Ubisoft has done nothing to warrant trust whatsoever.
Personally I think it’s a miracle this game even exists, we easily could have just had another 4,000 hour long RPG but Ubisoft Bordeaux stepped up and created a classic assassins creed game that we have needed for years, people just find anything to cry about these days, it’s a sad reality we live in, I remember when a game would release and everyone would appreciate it for what it is instead of crying about it
Great video Jay and I agree with you it get annoying when people’s are just negative and complaining about everything and I can’t wait for you review on it Jay and everything AC related videos
People making exceptions for blemishes comes down to the overall experience working for them or not. It's the whole picture, not the details. What really throws me out of the experience and makes me take note of the blemishes in Mirage is the fetch quest-based storytelling and level design. Fetching tea or other trinkets doesn't make me feel like an assassin, especially when it's mandatory, and once the illusion is broken, the smaller details I'd overlook in a better game come to the surface more.
Also, I absolutely agree that people should bring up positives, especially with Mirage, if they want to see AC get any better. I actually made a video about this last week.
I absolutely agree with your argument about not buying means they just go back to the thing that sold better (The rpg series) ... companies plan based on sales not based on the fans request because they’re a business and businesses want to make profit so they’ll just stick to what worked (sold the most) before , until it stops selling AND IT MAKES SENSE FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT because businesses want to make the most amount of money with the least amount of costs so they’ll just stick with the safe options that were tried out before , because trying new things is risky and potentially could cost more .. TLDR: businesses listen with their/your wallets so if you don’t like a game and want to see it changed DRASTICALLY, don’t buy it .. if you like the direction a game is going but want to see it improved , support it
It's good but it's not great that's the problem. I've played since AC1 and yeah it's pretty close to the og games but it's not quite well rounded. As you said they addressed everybody's complaints but they didn't do it at least imo that great. To me the parkour was better than the last 3 but it was still mid, the hidden blade was mid because I couldn't use it as a main weapon, the story was really short, the story was ok, very little high quality cinematics, didnt really look next gen, etc. Don't gemme wrong I like the game and it is most certainly a step in thr right direction but it felt lackluster almost like it was supposed to be a dlc, oh wait.... Also to me the game is not worth 50 bucks...like I said earlier it's a ok story but it is really short...I've played about 16 hours and have already completed it. Imo the best route to go is get ubusoft plus for 15 and play it because this is not a 50 dollar game. Overall I think the game was kinda good but mostly mid. People will say that AC fans are never satisfied and they're right until Ubisoft takes a good couple of years to make a next gen amazing story ASSASSINS creed game then we will stop complaining but until then it ain't gonna happen. Imo they need to make a really good game maybe even one that can win goty or it's time to retire AC forever or reboot the series
If you want a great representation of how us OG fans feel about the game then I suggest you go and watch @JakeBaldino video on AC Mirage and the series as a whole!
I'm with you coming from someone who has loved and been with the series since its announment (I have a damn assassins creed tattoo) this camp of people that will generally never be happy should all just give up and walk of a cliff or something. My top 5 are Black Flag, ac3, syndicate, origins, and now mirage. None of those are perfect games but all are near and dear to my heart, and that's what matters most. Great vid jay!!
Even tho i liked valhalla, this game is amazing. I love everything it has to offer and it shows ubisoft can do it again.
Honestly I feel like it’s either : .. 1- some part of the community have hated for a long time (probably deservedly so) that they just hate Ubisoft at this point and want to see it fail .. OR .. 2- the community doesn’t know exactly what they want so they keep saying “ it’s not what we wanted “ (the reason I say “they” not “we” in this case is that I didn’t expect much of this game after I found out it originally was supposed to be a dlc for Valhalla AND TO BE HONEST I got more than I expected but the bar wasn’t that high to begin with )
I love the game and just wish there was more of it. It’s not perfection but I want it to succeed. I want them to go so much deeper with a full fledged Creed game
Love you pointing out how ridiculous a lot of the criticism is, especially from those who aren't willing to give the game a chance before they even try it. As much as I may dislike something, if I've liked it in the past I'll give it a chance to see if I'll like it again. It's easier to spend life looking for things to enjoy, rather than looking for things to hate.
I love it despite its flaws, in fact it’s in my top 3 of the entire serie (I platinumed every single episode)
Can’t wait to see this formula applied to a proper bigger AAA
Mirage is to Valhalla what Miles morales is to spider man ps4. A slight upgrade thats more considered a large DLC
I grew up with this series an this is what i wanted assassin's creed to be again. I wanted it to be about stealth an the assassin's so while i agree it isn't perfect i enjoyed it i had 20 something hrs when i completed the game. This game actually made me feel like the old day's my excitement for assassin's creed started to come out while playing i hope they keep going with this style. while origins is absolutely the best of the rpg game's i don't mind them making those i just don't think it should be called an assassin's creed game just my opinion.
Definitely late to this, but you know what man? There's a component we think the gaming community is missing. Like, we've heard it maybe hit upon, or alluded to, but no one has really addressed it head on. And that's the generational component. Think there's a growing divide between younger gamers who entered the scene when the "casual" gaming experience was taking hold. Then there's the OG gamers who grew up playing Nintendo and Sega Genesis. Younger gamers are also used to certain performance metrics that OG gamers can appreciate, but are more forgiving about. Things like framerates, and graphical fidelity, screen tearing, or pop-in. OG gamers like games to look good, but are typically able to accept a game with lower quality graphics, or lower Framerates if it still presents good story, characters, and/or mechanics.
AC's parkour is a prime example. For OG gamers, the parkour glitching out isn't a big deal because they recognize that AC's parkour has ALWAYS glitched out from time to time. But what AC had was it's own identity. It brought something new and innovative to the gaming industry. But ever since the rise of the giant, open world, every-game, games have started to kinda blend together. That's why AC Valhalla even exists. It was Ubisoft trying to cash-in on the formula that brought success to games like the Witcher and Horizon Zero Dawn. Casual games sacrifice identity for graphical presentation, generic gameplay loops and mechanics. Publishers understand that this draws larger crowds. And ultimately more profit. Why reinvent the wheel when you can replicate the mechanics of previously successful games? If you're a younger gamer who came up playing games like Minecraft, or Roblox...when a game like AC1 drops, (let alone something like classic Splinter Cell), you're gonna be like "WTF is this?".
And this isn't just an issue with Action or Stealth games either. It goes for all of gaming. Street Fighter had similar issues with V and 6. So much so, that with 6 Capcom decided to add things like "modern controls", and "Drive Impact". Basically because the younger, casual gamers voiced struggling with learning the inputs and mechanics (or simply just didn't want to take the time) that have been SF's signature for the last 30+ years. Capcom even admitted this. Dunno, ultimately it seems that we're just in an era where rather than continuing to make good games that incentivize gamers into committing to long-term mastery and appreciation over time, major publishers have fallen into the trap of lowering the bar to entry and generalizing the gameplay for instant gratification. It's a classic case of quantity over quality. That's why some gamers will beat-up on something like Mirage for issues they let pass with other titles. Not because of the glitches, graphics, or whatever other minor issue. That's just the surface. But really because of a general misunderstanding of what gaming used to be. Before the over generalization and formulaic approaches that drive profits. Remember, gaming studios used to celebrate being on the edge of technological and artistic innovation. Now they've fallen back into replicating "successful business models", algorithms, and gimmicks.
Apologies for the long post. But we're passionate about gaming.
This was a great read. Apologies for my poor grammar but I agree, I would call myself a newish(?) gamer I grew up with minecraft, gta and some of the ac games and more. I died hard love all these franchises that ubisoft and other companies have put out, and I want them all to go further, but because of the newer titles they seem to focus more on gameplay and trends compared to all the other factors that make a great game. Take skyrim, a masterpiece imo. Compare that to some of the more lackluster newer releases that are usually accepted as "okay" and that's when people get annoyed. Yes it's also partly due to nostalgia reasons aswell as the amount of soul these games have, but nobody seems to be pushing the limits anymore, It's just decent enough to call it a game. Like black ops 1 to the new modern warfare 3 that just came out
@@lololazure All good. And thank You! Going back and reading the op, definitely found some typos and errors that need to be corrected. And of course, that's not the only issue. There are gamers of all ages that appreciate both retro and newer games, but it definitely is a component. The gaming industry has finally reached an age where we're gonna start seeing similar dynamics that appear in other media (music, movies, books...). There's gonna be people who favor certain types, genres, and eras over others. And the age/generation of the individual will be something we need to consider.
The real issue are the companies and publishers themselves. They need to get back into taking risks again. Nothing wrong with trying to replicate formulas, they're companies. Understandably, they have to make money. But what they can't do is take old IPs that people and fans have come to know for certain gameplay loops and mechanics, and try to repurpose them to appease new consumers. That's where they're failing. Like AC Origins - Valhalla. Ubi would have been better off if they'd just created a new IP altogether.
I played assassin’s creed mirage and I enjoyed it. I had a way more fun time playing this game than spending an entire month to beat Valhalla. Sure I took me almost a week to beat the game, but after wasting my time on boring, pointless and filler side quests on Valhalla, Mirage was more of a breath of fresh air. There’s an old saying that sometimes, less is more.
14:19 here's the thing, it doesn't really matter Mirage won't sell nearly as much as valhalla and the next game is a full fledged RPG and the one after that is something completely new, Mirage was a one off thing to pay homage to the old games it's not a fire starter, why are people mad?
because mirage is missing one VERY important thing that existed in the old games, An engaging gripping story with memorable characters, the crappy voice line delivery and the sim like faces doesn't help the already forgettable story
i personally can forgive the parkour and everything else as long as the story has an impact and the characters and acting is great , also, Using Eivor's animations for a fluid assassin achieves the complete opposite, if they were paying homage to the roots they should have went all in, but now it's too late
there will be no other old ac game , it's RPG's and experimental genres from now on, and about the price, no , Mirage is a AA game not triple A hence the price also
it doesn't matter if it wasn't originally a DLC, it still feels like a DLC and that's the problem, we say ''it's not enough'' so ? if your making a 'return to roots' game why not go ALL IN? there isn't another sequel to this and AC red is an RPG so why just dip your toes ? why accept mediocrity ? why not aim for the highest idea of a Return to roots game?
bring back Unity's animations and parkour, Mocap the acting , Redo voice lines that sound off you know? stop begging for the bare minimum and aim higher
I think Mirage is similar to Origins in the way that they were testing the waters for new systems to implement into later games and weren't fully formed ideas yet and I think that what people need to see is Mirage as a step to make a future game that only improves and adds new mechanics to the foundation that Mirage has made instead of scaring off the devs and men in suit from pushing these concept forward and making GOFTY material.
The fanbase is so split, so many fans of the series jumped on board "recently" in the grand scheme of things. Many haven't even played the originals. I think the perception around Black Flag being so beloved is because that was probably a lot of newer fans first game.
Thats the game that strayed away from Assassin's Creed the most too.
@@enzoamore8971 Yeah that was the start of it.
While I agree with your points, the fact that companies don't understand why their audiences avoid their product isn't the customers' fault. It's not like the community is mute or anything. They just interpret it the way they want to. I think Mirage is indeed an okay game, the best they could have delivered in this abysmal engine. That doesn't change the fact that it's a long way off of what we once had. I am only hoping that they get the chance to get a full budget and make the game they want.
I personally don't believe Ubisoft is that creative these days. Besides recreating ancient cities what's their strong suit?
@@TheLetterJ-c8n nothing. They only seem to be chasing dead trends and killing off franchises that were once industry leading ones. They also seem to be very skilled in harassing their employees and running the company like a public service from Greece.
You don't understand? Look at the difference between Unity and Mirage. There's a 10 year split. Compare
Edit: bro, are you playing ever crisis...? 😑
AC Mirage is made with Vahalla tools, Unity came out with buggy launch only now it get praise.
AC Fans complained about Unity when it came out that's the reason they started making RPG games, then AC Fans complained about RPG Games so they decide to give it a test by making Mirage and try to come back to roots
And guess what you guys still hates it
You guys don't want this series to succeed in the first place.