The Attack on Titan Conspiracy Theorists
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0:00 To You In 2 Hours
3:19 The Basics
7:59 The Easy Way
10:36 The Honest Way
32:32 The Brutally Honest Way
47:31 AOE
1:13:44 Yams, I Kneel
1:23:49 Interlude
1:24:49 2 Fatal Flaws
1:33:09 We Won
1:41:57 Children of the Forest
1:49:21 Epilogue
Imagine showing this video to tumblr teenagers at the height of AoT's popularity when the first anime season was coming out
Not like they werent shipping eren and levi 😅
You just gave me 'nam flashbacks.
@@karlalovesujuback then, the most cancerous thing in the aot community were gay ships, now we got nazis, bigotry and death threats towards the authors. we've devolved
😂
@@karlalovesuju *I just got PTSD from that era.*
I will never forget the day when people on r/titanfolk were unironically theorizing that Eren is still on Paradis and is connected to his Founding Titan body through a kilometers-long underwater cable.
I ALMOST mentioned that in the video but forgot to
And for what reason?
Of course because he had to wait for his friends to kill Zeke and stop the rumbling (this was theorized after 137) so that he could pull a "surprise mothafucka" on his friends when the Beast Titan would have been inherited by Historia's baby (who was of course his own baby in their mind) and he could have regained the power of the Founding Titan by touching him/her. So he would have been able to restart the rumbling, kill the rest of the world, including his friends, and claim his blonde prize.
Great theory! Counterpoint: that would require literally everyone to somehow miss the world’s largest and longest cable cord. 😂
I remember trying to point it out once with obvious evidence but got shitted on so much.
I literally proved them all wrong and it was so funny
1:47:05 actually unhinged that people think Eren's world-wide genocide "gets children out of the forest" considering that one of Eren's defining scenes is literally about two kids getting crushed and burned by his rumbling
get paradisian childrens out the forest
I am convinced that the Eldians must be an allegory for Israeli Zionists because only a genocidally psychotic Zionist like Eren could ever think the Rumbling was a good idea.
I disliked the manga ending because I think the genocide of millions and massive ecological devastation is bad. I wish his former friends called out Eren more for being a psychotic genocidal maniac.
get the children out of the forest by destroying the children and the forest
he chose to free paradisian children from having to get into that forest of war@@Frongo
@@jobros5624u think committing a bigger violence on other children who have their own lives is the morally right thing to do?
Wait... All this time AOE meant Anime Original Ending!? All this time I thought that it meant Area of Effect. I thought that everyone were joking that Rumbling is AoE...
This is now my favorite comment on the video.
Hilariously I thought the same thing
i always thought it meant attack on everyone...
The ultimate documentation of this bonkers side of this community.
Didn't expect it but i sure as hell welcome it
One thing worse than believing that AoT is fascist propaganda is believing that AoT is fascist propaganda and thinking that's a good thing.
Literally. The best argument against the series being fascist is how the fascist contingent of the fanbase reacted to the story being insufficiently fascist for them.
I think Isayama tied a clever historical analogy into his story, but the show doesn’t promote antisemitism. Instead, it emphasizes on Gabi’s character development after having realized that hating Eldians for their ancestors’ sins was pointless, which in the real world would solve antisemitism, the source of which is “Jews crucified Jesus” and all that grudge crap.
It is fascist. Armin and the Alliance all absolve Eren all so they can give him the privilege of being buried when he denied 80% of the world that luxury while the remaining 20 suffer under vindicated regimes.
@@TheDon266 I mean I personally see this more as the characters acting on their emotions rather than a moral judgement on Eren. I feel that overall, the show (at least, I just read the last few chapters of the manga to compare) does much more to criticize fascism and to show how people get radicalized than it does to glorify Eren's actions. Yeah, the ending was a bit weird for me, but if I look at the story as a whole, it's really hard for me to read it as condoning Eren's behaviour
@@CreiwryJay I could see your point if the characters acting on emotions didn't contradict their established moral outlooks. What emotions am I supposed to be feeling when Eren, despite showing understanding of the weight of his crimes and showing his sympathy for his victims, says he wants to kill people? What am I supposed to be feeling when Armin thanks him for it and then allows him to get off scot free while also getting away with lying to the Marleyans? And what's more is I get the same impression at the end that “mankind will always be at war because that's what we truly are” which is a lazy and defeatist message that completely undermines any moral argument the alliance had. I agree with Video dimension that it sounds more like an excuse a warlord would say after butchering people.
The phenomenon of AOE believers needs to be studied
We will be right in the end. Be it this year, next year or decades from now.
Cry in falsehood all you want. AOE will happen
@@Circle_of_Inevitability we do not need to argue. there is nothing to be discussed with the non-believers.
everything will be proven within the next 10 years.
history will write us down as visionaries.
our time is not now but it is not never, my comrades.
@@blubblubblup I just can't help myself. It will be such a beautiful scenary.
AOE are just the most schizo but every fan of AoT has done a bit too much copium.
"Ending defenders" will try to justify objective plotholes and make the most ridiculous claims, aggressively chase "haters" and even tried to cancel a fan ending.
"Doomers" will also go on their own conspiracy theories trying to figure out what made Yams change the ending behind the scenes.
And of course shipping and its wars tend to be extremely toxic but it was something else in this series. Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if eremika didn't become canon, the chaos would have been a beautiful thing to see.
The toxicity of the fandom is truly something else. I'm proud to be a part of it.
@@TheJotaroKujo it's proof of how good AOT is, really. The flaws are in the end, so until that point the readers will already be completely invested.
I admit, I thought that AoT was fascist because of the fascist fans. I guess I learned two lessons:
1. Don't judge a book by its cover.
2. Fascists don't understand art.
There are no fascist AoT fans, those all stopped being fans once it ended. There's only people who think those defending the rumbling is fascism and people who label the series as fascist because it depicts it.
And I can understand art just fine, lefties such as yourself seem to be struggling with this issue with those claims though, makes you wonder who has that media literacy you say you have.
@@sumikacel88there was literally a yeagerbomb Reddit page where unhinged fans were posting racist and sexist posts about the characters, especially calling Mikasa a Asian dog and people worshipping Floch as a Hitler figure. And yeah I bet u one of those people who think the rumbling would save Paradis or there will be eternal peace especially when the anime ending literally called out those who think that through Armin.
@@KafuKemeh Online memes ≠ real fascism.
And again, no one claims there would be eternal peace in Paradis.
The anime's ending criticizes Armin's way of thinking, that you can make peace with your oppressors, by having the island destroyed.
@@sumikacel88 You basically do not even understand the characters, Armin knows conflict will never end but he hopes that future generations will try to be better, because Paradise in the 2000 years into the future failed to maintain peace does not mean anything.
And basically since you sound like a Online teenager who just knows nothing about what he is talking
@@KafuKemeh You're so in denial. It quite literally proves him wrong, no amount of projecting your insecurities will stop it from being true.
Like a friend of mine once said, the Yaegerists are the most believable element of AOT, because an extremist who believes in shallow propaganda spat by a manchild like gospel is literally just a description of the average AOT fan / Member of r/yaegerbomb.
Meta narrative that bleeds into the irl. Truly, AoT is the best fictional story ever lmao
Yo can someone explain what op just said like im 12
@@daizenmarcurio
Basically, the existence of the Yaegerists make sense because just look at Eren's stupid and psychotic IRL fans
@@tonberry2670 ohhhhh. I mean weren't the yeagerists, Floch in particular right in the end tho?
@@daizenmarcurio no because not only the yeagarists and floch in particular are an extreamist group with realy messed up ideologies but on top of it the rumbeling wouldn't have put an end to the war and violance, just like kumi said "you'r only making the world smaller". paradis would have fallen into an inner conflict and civil war soon enough especialy with the yeagarists in charge, the only thing keeping them united after the rumbling are the remaining 20% and the fear of retaliation. floch was a very traumatized person after the battle of shiganshina deeply afraid of reliving that same trauma so he turned into violance, oppression and xenophobia as a solution totaly ignoring the fact that this is the same behavior and beleives that lead into conflict in the first place and that his extream nationalisme, authoritarianism and strait up dictatorship would have divided paradis and caused a civil war. just take a look at the likes of mussolini, hitler or mao to understand how dangerous groups like the yeagarists are and it realy worries me that some fans think that the yeagarists are a cool group of people that only wants to protect there land totaly unaware of what they represent in this story
Prologue - 0:00
Chapter 1: To You in 2 Hours - 1:27
Chapter 2: The Basics - 3:19
Chapter 3: The Easy Way - 7:59
Chapter 4: The Honest Way - 10:36
Chapter 5: The Brutally Honest Way - 32:31
Chapter 6: AOE - 47:31
Chapter 7: Yams, I Kneel - 1:13:44
Interlude: Like and Subscribe - 1:23:50
Chapter 8: 2 Fatal Flaws - 1:24:50
Chapter 9: "We Won" - 1:33:09
Chapter 10: "Children of the Forest" - 1:41:57
Epilogue - 1:49:22
i regularly frequented the anr sub it was so fun following it and seeing how quickly changed from hope to doom and vice versa. an emotional rollercoaster for them
AOE believers are the closest thing the anime community has to flat earthers!!
Yup
I never found other anime theories groups worst than aoe believers
True.
The Reading Comprehension Devil cursed the AoT community for years, I guess
It's… The Reading Comprehension Titan!
On my third rewatch because this really scratches an itch that I can't describe. This video is great. It's a shame it's so underappreciated because not only does it really get what made AnR and especially AOE so fucking insane, it also describes the larger plague on modern internet discourse of assuming one interpretation is fact and trying to scream your opinion louder. It's kind of an eternal battle; if you believe in your interpretation, it is because you believe you understood the story and what it was trying to tell you. When you see someone then yell at you for totally missing what the author was going for, their opinion must similarly be due to a lack of reading comprehension. Sometimes no one is right and you're fighting over what shape an optical illusion is, but other times there really is a critical lack of understanding, but it's so hard to get that across without seeming like the condescending, "you have no idea what you're talking about" tone that even those who are totally wrong will also use.
Also, I really appreciate how specific your language is, and overall think the writing in this video is incredible. I was trying to place whose style it reminds me of, thinking first of anime content creators like Geoff Thew or like older Digi videos. However, I think what this is closest to is something like Dan Olsen from the channel Folding Ideas -- this video almost seems like the anime adaptation of Dan's In Search of a Flat Earth video, in the way that people who are drawn to an emotional claim gravitate to conspiracy theory, alt-right ideologies, and bending reality to fit their theories rather than the other way around. Everything from the "at once unbelievably complicated and trivial to debunk" to the "admitting they're wrong would be embarrassing," and even the idea that sometimes when the prophecy fails (read: anime finally ends and it's basically the same as the manga), rather than breaking people out of their devotion to the theory, it rather exacerbates them and they move the goalposts yet further. Great stuff all around.
Shit someone figured out I was ripping off Dan Olson fuck
The fact that most of this madness was based on hating Mikasa lmao
Eren and Historia shippers invented a whole conspiracy theory cult because they couldn't stand their ship sank.
Absolutely not, lol, where even in the video was there a point that would make you think so? Literally no one hated on Mikasa, she's just mid, that's all. People would make fun of her in spite of her toxic stans, and some kids would take it in a literal way, because they can't distinguish these things. But to say, that it was based on Mikasa hate is completely false, on the contrary AOE tried to make Mikasa an interesting character in its own way. Again, people who were blabbering about how Eren will stopm her, slice her head off, or anything like that, are just retards/or trolling.
I'm only 16 minutes in, but I gotta compliment you for your work and editing!
The titanfolk/yeagerbomb folk seem batshit crazy to me, and I'm saying that as someone who felt Paradis was morally justified in using the Rumbling to eliminate the world that wanted them dead.
But those people really saw dead-eyed traumatized Eren talking about genocide to scared teary-eyed Historia and went "Yes, this is good romance"? They thought that Historia's pregnancy which was a clear cut and dry political move to not have to eat Zeke or run away, which is why she looked unhappy as it wasn't a pregnancy out of love but one out of necessity, that that was somehow a massive storyline ending up in Eren being the father? They thought Eren would brutally murder all his friends who he keeps throwing his life away to save and is ready to sacrifice the entire world too for that purpose, and that he'd just shrug after killing them all?
Or that for no reason at all, Historia's child would be the reincarnation of Ymir because... just what the shit at this point.
That's some of the worst and most bizarre fanfic I've ever seen, and to think they're spreading so much negativity and even trying to hurt Isayama's mental well-being...
Great video. It's easy to see now why there was a such a massive disconnect in how positive the anime ending was received with people who ONLY watched the anime, and then some of the manga community, who have spent the last 3/4/5 years theorizing and coping within the confines of their echo chambers.
I really liked this video because there are defiantly a lot of unreasonable and fascist critics that as someone who didn't like the ending I don't want to associate with.
Holy fucking shit. FASCIST? ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?
@@DxrkArtzz Yes. There was a whole subreddit about AOT that was pro-Nazi and would praise Hitler.
I may have skipped to the last 3 sections of your video (I plan to watch in full later) but I like how you break down a lot of the bad arguments about the ending. Especially the scene with Eren and Armin, as if breaking down in front of your best friend right before you are about to die because you don't want to lose the love of your life that you spent your entire life protecting is some how considered character assasination. Despite there being massive hints that Erens cold nature was to protect his friends and ALL of Eldia.
i was heavily into the snk manga during 2020 and 2021 and hence was involved in alot of discussion. i had gotten a taste of almost every community and this video is such a good "documentary" of those wild times
I want to shine my perspective on the Aoe as I was a believer of it even after the anime ended. I was never really as connected with this section of the fandom, so I didn't think to question enough as to the depths and other explanations behind the reasoning for their theories. I never had a problem with the ending of the story other than that the manga ending felt rushed (which was thankfully fixed in the anime). The thing that a lot of the fandom hated such as Ymir's "love" for king Fritz was one of the things I had felt was well excuted. My reasons for that liking that aside, I didn't believe in Aoe out of a dislike of the ending, I believed in it because I thought that the evidence was credible enough to warrent that at least something was coming. There was a sound designer who had talked about its existence on tape, strange choices that the anime did when adapting material, trying to make sense of the berserk eren scene, Anr, and the connection to MudLuv. I wasn't hoping for an ending that the rest of the fandom wanted, but I saw these bits of evidence as a possibility that we'd get some more attack on Titan content in some way (without obliterating the story, character or its themes).
After watching this video, I realize just how much of the validity behind the evidence was stretched in order to fit this fanbases narrative, and I feel embarrassed to have indulged myself into this section of the fandom that is so clearly dethatched from reality. I was hyped for more attack on titan, and where I used to feel that the aoe fandom had decent points, because much of it comes from trying to validate their egos, none of the other explanations cross their mind. It's as you said, the only explanation they want to accept is that it's a bigger part of a non existent puzzle and a hopeful desire for their egos to be validated. I really appreciate you making this video and calling out the section of the communities for what they are.
Bro the AOE stuff was insane I commented on a few TH-cam videos poking holes in there theory’s using evidence both thematically and just straight up in the text/story and there justification for there theory’s and why I was “wrong and don’t care about the story/didn’t read” was so baffling it makes me question human intelligence and comprehension
imo aot is an absolutely genius yet beautiful tragedy that can fit almost any genre of storytelling, critiquing, overall a gorgeous masterpiece that I will study like people study Shakespeare
"plot chads" as if all they didn't care about was eren getting with the blond baddie in the end
Armin's the blonde baddie
because that is what was foreshadowed in the manga, and that foreshadowing was cut from the anime.
@@Asturias14 ....
@@yuukichan12 sup
The day that titanfolk will be empty
I will have the last laugh
They did this fandom so dirty after the manga ending lmao
I don't consider myself a big AOT fan... But even I was baffled by the level of illiteracy and clownery those redditors were showing.
But watching delusional people meltdown is just as fun as visiting a zoo. Gave me a good amount of entertainment.
@arthurmorgan251 lmao they take it so seriously, it's odd and even disturbing 💀 yeagerbomb an yeagerists reddit sub got banned for antisemitism and racism if I'm not wrong.
I'm not even 100% a fan of the ending but the aot fandom and mostly titanfolk were overreacting, like come on its just a japanese cartoon, it's not that deep 💀
these people really deluded themselves into thinking the manga was gonna end a certain way and spent the next three years setting themselves for disappointment all over again. you can’t convince me that mental illness isn’t involved here.
Mass delusion is what it's called
modern-day mass psychosis 🙉
@@starknitthey have schizophrenia
This video is a masterpiece.
As an anime only who desperately tried to understand what the deal with the TitanFolkers and haters were, this explains it very well.
im a manga reader who actually was fine with the ending and could not understand those people at all didnt take part in any community and just tried to make out the logic of the ending alone and to be honest it really was a clear conclusion, how eren was "slave to his desires", how history repeats, how conflict can never be wiped and all this stuff and for this reason seeing people judging those was VERY baffling to me, all i could pick was the little complaints like "eren crying in the end is out of character" but those are kicked out of the window easily too by just basically saying what the guy in the video said
after the anime version was completed and i watched it along with the slight changes of dialogue in the end i was 100% satisfied, i seriously could not think of any better way to end the series and just hated every AOE theory out there and also hated the whole fandom...ironic that my most favourite anime has my most hated community in it isn't it?
so yea whats your opinion on how these guys were thinking? to me it looked bland stupid and made no sense the only thing they could do by talking to me was make me upset and ruin my mental state for the rest of the day instead of a humane discussion and conclusion
I almost fell down this rabbithole, but I never looked into it. Thank god.
Wow, this was a comprehensive retrospective, summarising the themes of the text and putting all of my frustrations with this side of the fandom into words. Thanks for also acknowledging the genuine issues with the narrative and clumsy use of imagery, too.
And you didn't even need to touch upon Eren's super plot-critical anti-natalist half-brother.
It's also hilarious how the story despite being categorically anti-fascist is still called fascist by those critiquing it in bad faith, and not fascist enough by the ANR and Titanfolk delusional conspiracy theorists.
Both sides wildly fail to understand the story.
the ending can be read as fascist too, the fact that paradis got destroyed by the 20% after 2 minutes shows it, a simple way to avoid it was to have a civil war in paradis so you can show war is always present and the fact that a military fascist goverment doesnt work.
@@1chibanKasuga It can't be destroyed by the 20% that survived the rumbling since destruction of Paradis takes place from hundreds(manga) to thousand of years(anime) so anyone who survived was already dead and new people was born or emerge with different persepectives and reasons. The ending is not necessarily portray as fascist but how history repeats itself and is more aligned with Erwin's quote that humanity will never stop fighting unless one person remains or less. Or it actually shows the consequences of fascism that leads to the destruction of the island.
@@ExpertContrarian The way the Paradis evolves into a more futuristic/out of this world civilization, implies that it could be thousand years and it matches with the ending's lyrics.
I always felt like aot using true historical references and real politics for the conflict within the story could have caused strong misinterpretation from all sides of the political spectrum and tbh I don't blame whoever believed that.
After this premise, the fascist interpretation from that part of the fandom will always surprise me and I can't deny that I gave up on aot because of that, since I didn't wanted to be involved in such vague themed story.
But in the end I am glad I stuck, I am glad I used my own brain and mostly I am glad i was always right: Eren is a villain, jaegerists are evil and Hange, Onyankopon and Armin, who are considered the smartest and most human characters from aot, ACTUALLY AND OPENLY STATED genocide is wrong(which seems a controversial take for those fasci).
All the moral vagueness of the story is completely destroyed by this fact
32:24 Some of them have also convinced themselves that Iseyam doesnt talk about the REAL LOVE RELATIONSHIP beetween Eren and Historia because he is scared of the fans LOOOOL
The people ive been talking to these past few days... are clowns man worse than FLAT EARTHERS
Whatt wait a minute eho the hell ships historia with eren what the hellll am i new whats happening
Thank you for this video, it will really help when I’ll want to explain about the aot conspiracy theorists to friends not in the fandom. I appreciated that you mentioned how engaging in conspiratorial thinking for some time can be damaging; especially when one is in a developmental phase, I’d add. I know many just enjoyed the ride because surely fandom was active there, but the leaps and bends in logical thinking I read there always kind of worried me for the people accepting them. Rigorous, substantiated reasoning it never was.
anime-only here to thank you for clearing up some of the confusion i had regarding the things i had heard about the ending, this really put it into context
I just rewatched this vid and "Pocahontas with flesh mechs" fucking took me out lmao
Thank you... you entered r/titanfolk for our sake. I will not let this huge error go to waste. Fantastic video, the aot fandom is probably the worst fandom i have ever seen, and the funniest thing is the same show these people claim to love spends 49 chapters criticizing the exact type of people they are. If only they actually read their favorite manga, maybe they'd learn something. I know this is besides the point of the video, but i'm curious on what flaws you find in the show's ending.
If I were to guess it felt rushed and somewhat contrived? Tho the anime improves upon it
Thank you so much for this video. I enjoyed watching it; it greatly reflects my thoughts on what was happening within the AoT community at that time.
I remember joining the fandom around 10 chapters before the finale. The 'ANR theory' came as a big surprise to me. An even bigger surprise was how aggressively the "plotchads" tried to impose their vision on everyone. Sometimes I felt like I was going crazy because I didn't see what so many other people did (later, I understood that these people were a vocal minority). But rereading the manga over and over, I became convinced that I had no problem understanding the story. It was a very strange time for the entire fandom.
I'd argue that they were the majority at the time because even yams came out and apologised for the manga ending and then improved alot of it in the anime which was great go to see.
I can see why people are unsatisfied with the ending which i don't blame em cuz there are clearly LOADS of unexplained /inconsistent things left but looking at the ending for what it was, I think it was alright. Nothing special unfortunately unlike the rest of the series imo
@@daizenmarcurioHe never apologised for the ending, people who hated it just twisted his words. He apologised for how it split the fandom and even claimed that he was happy with what he did but there are areas he wished he improved on (given the anime additions we know now the Eren and Armin conversation was one of them).
@@jo0rd73bro is it true that eren didn't love mikasa because lot of people said he didn't love her he loved historia but in the anime i didnt see anything like that so is there any theory in this too i just want to clear my confusion
@@Tashi_bubble No they’re just lying, when the manga was ongoing some crazy shippers took the scene where Historia says “what if I get pregnant?” As implying Eren impregnated her and they grasped at straws right until the end that the way this would end would be Eren succeeding and marrying Historia and having a family with her and having to deal with his grief…at least this was the most popular theory. But no, in the canon he did love Mikasa and only ever saw Historia as a friend.
@@jo0rd73 ohh thanks because I was doubting my self as in season two when both eren mikasa were talking I knew they liked each other but then some people said it's not like that he loved historia
As a former plotchad (I hate myself), you really nailed a lot of things on the head. I almost want to have a conversation with you to give my thoughts as someone who was apart of that community and fully believed in ANR.
1. I don't hate you! Rethinking your beliefs is an incredible thing and really cool.
2. I can have that convo right here! What do you wanna talk about?
So, I wanted to kind of elaborate on the pipeline towards plotchad-ery and then ending hater. For me and a lot of people it started when Titanfolk first began. Now, this is a while back so I can't 100% recall everything and may have a few things mixed up. The main AoT sub did a big purge of meme-y comments which lead to an exodus of shitposters towards Titanfolk. This created a very, very dense sense of community. If I recall correctly, it was around the time everyone thought Armin 'died'.. so very close to the Marley arc.
Everything was good and fine. People were happy and making dank as fuck memes and really interesting theories and enjoying the shit out of the story at the time. But somewhere along the lines, we either fell upon the ANR theory or someone in our community actually made it. At first, it was just a theory. No one really treated it as being confirmed but as an interesting 'what-if' sort of deal.
Now, you talked about Akatsuki no Requiem. It was, of course, the backbone to the theory.. but there were two other songs that pushed it just from being a neat little theory into what we assumed the story was going to be about - Call of Silence, Zero Eclipse, and Linked Horizon's Kimi ga Fusawashii to Omou Daimei. Like Akatsuki no Requiem, we analyzed the shit out of the lyrics of these three songs.
Kimi ga Fusawashii to Omou Daimei we immediately knew to be Eren asking what Ymir wanted which was a second chance at life. The baby crying at the song's end cemented it for us the idea of her rebirth.
Call of Silence we assumed was Eren making a promise to Ymir that he'd make sure she WOULD be reborn.
Zero Eclipse we analyzed as being about Historia and Eren's furtive relationship.
It fucking EXPLODED from there. Everyone convinced themselves ANR was canon - all of our interpretations slightly different. Myself, I believed the story would go something along the lines of this: Eren destroys the outside world after probably killing his friends, uses the power of the Founder to cultivate the wastelands left after, either takes Ymir's place as Founder after she's reborn or destroys the Power of The Titans entirely and in the process frees her to reincarnate, and spends the remainder of his life unable to let go of the past. He would unironically become what Titanfolk's strawman of Mikasa's character in 139. Someone who is constantly visiting his friend's graves.
You know what happens next. We utterly DESPISED the ending. I won't speak for others anymore but myself from now on. I hated it for the longest time and was incredibly bitter about how it all went wrong. But something happened. I noticed that people were being unreasonably cruel to those that defended the ending. Straight up bullying. It disgusted me to the point that I left Titanfolk and was able to calm down a bit.
Invaderzz' video popped up not long after in my feed and I pushed myself to watch it.
I have no idea how the hell it happened but that man somehow reset my brain. I was able to go back through the story and read it for what it was - what it was ACTUALLY trying to say. I shed most if not all of my preconceived notions about Eren's character and the over-importance I held for the pro-natalism aspect of the story and the missed opportunity of Ymir's rebirth. I came away loving the ending; it made so much more sense.
Eren wasn't some agonized man who had to defend his home at any cost. He was a boy caught up in his own selfish desires who used external factors to justify the fulfillment of them. He didn't really care about Paradis like he cared about seeing a flattened world. And I kind of think that goes for his friends.. albeit to a much lesser extent. They came second to that awful wish. A not very close second in my view.
Anyway. I really appreciate this video and how raw it is. You really did not hold back and even though there were a few points that I feel were a bit unreasonably harsh in the sense that I don't think a lot of the community INTENTIONALLY gaslit ourselves but more.. fell into a self-digging pit of conspiracy, you are talking about Yeagerbomb, Titanfolk, and ANRime.
I'm going to be honest, after finishing the anime and then manga (I have always preferred the manga, just wanted my first impression to be the anime) I went to check out the aot subreddits for the first time ever and I laughed my ass of the theories people came up with. I had been "uninfluenced" all this time (3-4 years or so) and never spoiled. It was a fitting ending. I never noticed these "obvious clues" for AnR type of ending, and I personally considered myselft very invested in aot, constantly thinking about it.
On wether I liked it, must admit on my first watch 138 part had a lot of emotional charge, so jumping straight into 139 made it difficult to digest initially, but on reread I can see everything making sense.
Loved your point about thematic interpretation turning into cold hard authorial intent. Even outside Jaegerist circles folks were launching themselves so hard into convoluted theories based on tiny slices of page space and a dead certainty their reads were correct.
Yeah. But no way I'd ever do that.
Hahaha. never done that before.
@@awfulanime1301
As someone who hasn't caught up with the AoT anime yet but has seen the manga ending, I hated the manga ending because I think the genocide of millions of people and massive ecological devastation (the Rumbling) is bad and that Eren's psychotic genocidal plan was bad. Is that valid?
The only AOE that I wanted is for Eren's friends to actually call him out for being a genocidal maniac to his face, which they never really did in the manga. In the manga, I kind of got the lowkey feeling that his friends thought Eren Was Right/Had A Point, which I did not agree with. I didn't have a problem with Eren being a genocidal maniac; my main issue is that the other characters don't rightfully condemn and call out Eren for being a genocidal maniac.
I am convinced that the Eldians were an allegory for Zionists because only a psychotic genocidal Zionist like Eren could've thought that the Rumbling was a good idea.
@@ajiththomas2465oh if that’s the case, then you’ll probably like the anime episode. Armin damn near looks at Eren as a psychopath.
such a great video... need to grab a cup of tea to enjoy this... thanks for the quality content ! im subbed !
I actually tried reading the AoT no Requeim online after learning of it with this video. It’s not bad, nor does it feel better than the original. From what I learned it’s not finished yet, so can’t really judge.
I liked the original ending (especially after how they fixed some lines in the anime), so I’m treating it just like another doujinshi. But I do find some of the ending haters to be very toxic, which is probably why this video was uploaded.
I mean... it gets almost everything wrong by contradicting the canon and that Eren is one of the worst characters ever written, but I guess the drawings are good.
@@Jerry98xWhy is Eren the worst character in the ANR doujin?
@@abdmin503 why?
The quick answer is that he's completely out-of-character and that the people who wrote the fanfiction completely misunderstood him and his intentions. They wrote the wrong idealization that they had of Eren: a sort of Lelouch-like super chad master-puppeteer character archetype, which is not what Eren is. Even when he influenced his father, it was all because he found himself in the perfect position to do it due to multiple conditions being true at the same time (and he had no influence on them).
The long answer is that Eren is simply a badly written ass**le.
He says he doesn't want to fight his best friend and he makes a sad face at the end of the second chapter. But at the same time not only he has already seen everything, but he has also already decided the path he considers the best to undertake. This is because they completely changed the structure of the timeline in their fanfiction.
The freedom to stop him he gives to his friends in chapter 134 therefore is bullshit, because Armin and the others in this fanfiction are doomed. They're gonna die and we all know that, because of the Akatsuki no Requiem theory. And this is something the Eren of the fanfiction himself has deliberately chosen. On the other hand, in the manga it's so clear that he wants to be stopped. Also, it is explicitly said that he has not seen everything when he kissed Historia's hand and he is not 100% sure that everyone will survive. He knows only that he will be stopped in the end.
If Eren really didn't want to be stopped, like the fanfiction says, and he really cared for his friends (and honestly I cannot believe that so many people completely forgot the sunset scene on the train in chapter 108!), he would not allow them to follow him and he would do something to block them on Paradis. But hey... he has already decided that they will die because he saw everything and he chose that specific path among the infinite ones of this new Doctor Strange timeline!
There is nothing that makes sense there LMAO
Thank you so much for this video. Incredibly useful for me as an anime-only to perfectly understand the outrage on the manga ending. The state of the AOT fandom even after the anime ending is still incredibly toxic, wich saddens me a lot since this is probably my new favourite piece of media. So many people blatantly missunderstanding the story's themes just to fit their own narratives. I even feel that many people that liked the ending fall into this category and liked it for the wrong reasons, but that's another topic in itself.
Imho the ending was great and it perfectly blended with the theme of the story. Its not perfect, but AOT was never perfect to begin with.
Holy shit dude, I've noticed this video in my subs and for the love of my life I could not remember who are you and why do I subscribe to you (lmao I'm sorry) but then I saw Fucking titans musical in your vids and flood of r/shingekinokyojin memories from 2016/17 era came back.
I would definitely not watch 2hrs long vid from a random ytber but you? the Legend? Gourmet shit.
As someone who have grown up reading and discussing monthly chapters, I have been eating aot theories, memes and inside jokes for breakfast. I remember ANR in its infancy (I think it originated from a twitter thread of all places...). It was a curiosity then. It was not taken that seriously but I remember feeling excited about it. First ANR theories were totally, how to say it... normal? Born out of the true fascination with the series, with no ideology behind it. That's probably why I've been so fond of it, getting more and more invested in it. But I think I missed when the ANR stopped being just a theory for more and more people and started being a movement. A lifestyle. I was in my bubble thinking "I do not think Eren is right, that's ridiculous, I just want an intricate story but if it means Eren wins then let's go" and you perfectly called out folks like me 39:47 lol
I never browsed yeagerbomb and completely missed out on AOE phase (I basically left the fandom when manga ended) so what you showed here really made me shiver. I did not expect this movement to be this insane... I'm flabbergasted and disgusted. Extremely important job you've done here. Amazing vid.
When it comes to me, I've made my peace with the ending. Especially with the anime improvements I'm happy how the things turned out. And seeing anime onlies happy and satisfied after the ending fills me with joy. Because I love this story and deeply care about it, after so many years. And I want people to have the best memories possible associated with it.
Cheers and take care fellow stranger who shared this crazy journey with me.
I'm glad my analysis didn't come off as too harsh against people like you. Thank you so much for your in depth comment, and I'm glad you never unsubscribed in the last 6 years! Lol.
The best villains will get the most support and people who thought they did nothing wrong. Because this shows that the villain's position is a realistic one someone might actually take.
I still remember telling all my friends the titans were oversized yeast after watching matpat's video back in middle school, good times
Thank you for this video i knew people wanted aoe but i thought they wanted some happy ending or something when i listened to their theories i couldn't believe they were being sarcastic or not then realized they were actually serious which is just amazing
They do want a happy ending. But just for Eren and Historia.
@@TequilaToothpick eren and historia never made sense to me i mean when i watched the show first time i never thought people can ship them or see them as a couple or something if they think it's because he cares for her eren cared for every comrade he went mad in his titan form to avenge thomas doesn't mean he wants to impregnate him
thank you for this video not only did it perfectly summarize my thoughts on this entire aoe nonesense but it was also hella funny
Great video, I thought the ending was fine lol this AOE sounds like a cult 😂
Good video. I like how you covered everything before AOE was a thing.
In my opinion the biggest problem about AOE/ANR people i see mostly is their insane arrogant behavior that would make you think these guys theorys must have been proven right mostly but no everything they came up with gets disproven and still act like they know everything better. Its so weird. You can make a 100+ essay how braindead certain AOE theorys where to the point it had nothing to do with theorys anyomore. Everything that does not involve Eren ( post timeskip ) floch ( despite being depicted as facist and evil ) and crack historia theorys with parallels or random song lyrics.
Everything else in the story doesnt matter to them or just ignore it.
Dont get me started on the timelines bullshit despite AOT having a fixed timeline. But yams said muv luv inspired him ????????😢😢😢
Yeah and still he made a setting for only one closed loop. My god they really think authors who take Inspiration from other works just make a 1:1 copy LMAO.
Everyone knew after yams interview in 2021 after the end that he wanted to potray the Armin Eren conversation better. And gues what happened. And they call Everyone "Ending defenders" when someone calls their AOE propaganda delusional. So glad this is over now and your Video explains their Philosophy really well and not just the theorys.
what worries me the most is how many fans are totaly obliviouse to what floch and the yeagarists represent in this story and isayama wasn't even trying to be subtle about it, i honestly was shocked. it just shows how easily we can repeat the same mistakes all it takes are the right circumstances
I love how you provide analysis of AoT scenes to give context on why plot Chads were wrong about something.
I know the intention of this video is not doing an analysis/retrospective/review of AoT, but you certainly provided a lot of insight on the show and demonstrated that is not that complicated to interpret.
Writing is not about creating something complex to make it seem "smart", is about connecting with emotions and/or giving a message.
6:25 I feel like a lot of people don’t really pay attention to the different perspectives that different characters have, as well as the place that Eren’s mind might have been in.
The idea that killing everyone outside the island would solve conflict was rejected by both Eren and Pixis as early on as season 1 when the two talked on the wall, before the boulder operation.
It was also thrown into doubt during the Eren saving Mikasa flashback during the monologue about how nature is inherently violent.
I'm baffled to this day that so many people seem completely oblivious to these scenes given how important they are.
And lady Azumabito literally addressing this issue to Floch right before the alliance shows up to capture the flying boat
Nobody thinks the 100% rumbling would've achieved world peace and it was never meant to. AOT is not about the cycle of conflict. It's specifically about the cycle of racial prejudice. That's what Zeke, Eren, Grisha, Karl, etc had their goals fixated on.
@@dutbud9049It is about the cycle of conflict, the extra pages prove that. We have no idea about the current state of the world never mind the races involved (thousands of years have passed I doubt paradis is still an ethnostate), yet war rages on, the message was always about the cycle of conflict and however momentary it is we should strive for peace as humans.
They never say it will bring world peace, but they say it will 'end the cycle of violence', 'bring children out of the forest', and so on. They hide behind their backwards interpretation of the themes to act like they were 'disappointed the story didn't payoff it's setup', with the implication that ANR would, implying that ANR would be to some extent a happy ending in terms of the cycle of violence ending, the father being surpassed, and the forest gotten out of with regards to children.
@@jo0rd73 The message was never about the cycle of conflict and that's exactly the problem with the extra pages lol. At least, in the "civil war" interpretation. I think it's far more likely to be the outside world bombing Paradis and that's why I like the ending pages. It's the logical consequence of gambling Paradis' future.
A year ago I was going to make a meme that listed a bunch of items (flowers, scarfs, eyes etc) and observations (different angles, character models, jacket colors) that AOE people say is proof for their theory. I felt it was extremely random and no one would get it, but it's funny seeing someone compile their theories, even if it's not all of it
This is a great video (I'm just commenting to boost it in the algorithm)
Your Comments and Likes to the cause!
1:01:39 I remember when this poster was released some aoe guys said that Pieck would have died before reaching Eren because she wasn't in the poster
Since this didn't happen I still wonder why she wasn't featured there
Cuz they decided to don't put her there 🤷 why all things needs to have deep meaning
Maybe cuz the others are popular cuz they where in past seasons and she isn't
no wonder why anime onlys liked the ending as it is....its because they did not fall in the pits of hell called reddit and enjoyed what they saw
just like i did when i first read the manga but then was ruined because i also visited that side of reddit so i did too hate on the ending for a specific time period but with the slight changes the anime did i recovered and im perfectly fine with what we got and like it even more than in the manga
Manga was ass , nothing can get worse than thanking Eren for genocide
I was also of the impression that the anime ending was a masterpiece, but after futher thought I realised that it could have been much better. I honestly believe Uniquenameosaurus made the best rewrite of the ending.
Great video!
Very informative video, however I have yet to figure out wha the difference between the anime and manga endings were and what makes them bad according to so many people
Both are pretty much identical except the anime adds new scenes.
Probably the biggest issue with the manga ending was the conversation between Armin and Eren which even fans of the ending like myself could admit was a bit rushed in execution and the anime greatly improved upon that part of the story.
1:31:28 Yea it does and everyone that hates on it goes “no your wrong because what you say is a head cannon” even though the entirety of ANR is an actual head cannon 💀
After delving into the abyss that is ANR and Titanfolk, it was very cathartic watching this. I legitimately needed this.
i wish i couldve followed along this phenomenon as it was happening. i never knew there were these crazies until aoe theory videos started getting recommended to me (*after the anime finale), and all the comment sections were coping so hard
peak content. make the aoe hopeclowns scream in agony
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@@maskedsubhumanermaxxer6346 ok maskedsubhumanermaxxer6346
pieck content
what is your interpretation of AnR music video ?
nice coverage
IVE BEEN BOMBADED BY THEIR VIDEOS AGAIN AFTER ALL THESE YEARS THOSE PEOPLE ARE CLINICALLY INSANE
great vid keep it up!!!✌
AOE believers when the hitler doesnt win world war 2
>:(
Bro thinks he’s Yeagerbomb 😂
Great vid.
Anrime, my favorite schizos.
AOE theorists and the Yeagerbomb fans are the reason Aot is a masterpiece of a story because it reflects the true reality of our world. Just like in the show where there were constant moral dilemmas and discussions and extermisms and radical ideas, that perfectly reflects the AOT fandom, we have the same problems just within the fandom that exists in the story. So as much as i don't like those guys, they prove that AOT ending is the only way it could have ended.
Fantastic video. It summed up a bunch of things I felt about the ending and my feelings about the people in the AOE community. It also gave me new perspectives, which is always highly appreciated!
Holy fuck. I was in this sub for a long time being a believer. I was soo fucking wrong. RIP AOE
The timetravel thing is kinda meta tbh and a successor to the EVA conspiracy
Been a fan of yours for years and love when you put on these intelligently-worded deep dives on AoT.
Thank you for this. For calling it what it is.
I stopped following the Titanfolk Reddit some chapters before 139 just because of how fascist it got.
I once did a series of polls in different AoT Reddits and it was intriguing, but sad because I remember there being so much support for Eren.
It’s incredibly distressing. People on the subreddit would go “it’s just a story, don’t make it political”,
but of course
for one it’s already political
and two, it is a fictional story, but it shows their real-world values in how they react to it.
It largely drove me away from the fandom, and I’m happy to see other fans here that aren’t fascist weirdos.
There was a meta-fictional component in that the division between people who supported Eren and people who held to their principles. Seeing people in the real world that were radicalized just like the Yeagerists was terrifying, but also important. The banality of evil. That radicalization, like how bigotry is laundered through “jokes”.
With other fandoms, I was reminded of the whole conspiracy Sherlock fans concocted after they were disappointed by Season 4. Also, Lord of the Rings, despite its messages of friendship and love, has fascist fans.
I felt Chapter 139 was hugely disappointing, but not for their reason. I think the series should have gotten rid of time travel. The Eldians losing their titan powers felt like a cop-out and had troubling implications for me.
I didn’t like the hopelessness inherent in supporting Eren’s plan (in addition to it just being evil). Attack on Titan is a story about overcoming the odds and causing change; this idea that it’s about succumbing to fate is a distortion, just like how their interpretation of the “children of the forest” is a distortion.
And while people can have interpretations, having such an interpretation that’s so counter to what the text is, is worth pointing out. I also think that some Eren fans just haven’t yet acquired the maturity to read these stories.
Behold: actually respectable reasons to dislike the ending. (I thought the time travel was cool, myself, but, you know...)
Eren succumbing to fate (that was partially created by his future self) is not distortion of the theme because he is the villain and the real heroes like Armin continue to fight against fate, the cruel world and impossible odds despite the world of AoT being pre-determined after Eren's death.
Also, Eldians being able to get rid of titan powers allowed them, Ymir and the rest of the world to be free, which is important thematic element, so I don't understand how it is troubling or a cop-out. (Especially when conflict continues despite titan powers not being part of the equation)
Huh, I thought AOE meant Attack On Eren... Well, now I know.
Eren didnt make the timelines Mikasa made them. Though Eren seeing memories from timelines was a key aspect of some theories 51:35
Where is the proof or are you going to use lost girls which happened in her head
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Mikasa didn't made any new timelines nor did Eren.
Lost girls OVA alternate reality is all in her head whereas the one in Special 2 is alternate reality created in paths by Eren, but it's still not new seperate timeline.
Lost girls OVA was meant to foreshadow Special 2 but both realities don't work the same way mechanically, they're thematic parallels.
AOT IS A MASTERPIECE
Coming back to this video after many months now, it's a shame you don't have millions of views on this one because it deserves it, I haven't found any other video that covers the subject even 10% as well, but a lot of clickbait "omg worst ending ever ruined everything".
Thank you so much!!! I got more long videos in the works covering topics in depth, so hopefully one pops up and people rediscover this, haha
@@awfulanime1301 Glad to hear it! Also something that you haven't said in the video but you might know already, there are A LOT of parallels between the freefolk treatment of the end of GoT and the titanfolk treatment of the end of SNK. Now the freefolk are very justified because the ending of GoT was objectively very bad, but it's clear that at least on some levels the titanfolkers want to emulate that behavior onto another series.
The very name is an obvious clue, but things like "Eren just forgot" perfectly mirror the comment by one of the writers of GoT who said "Daenerys kinda forgot". By drawing parallels they reinforce their own preconceptions (one series had a bad end, so another could also have one ergo that other series must have a bad one, it's sophistry but they don't care) and have preexisting examples for how to lash out at a bad story and use the same techniques against a good one.
That last point also relies a lot on the "on the spot" fallacy. They say tons of stupid things in very quick succession, and only a long format can adequately answer all of their false claims, something like your video. But on a forum like Reddit, it is impossible to do so, so short good-sounding ideas are what dominates, not the truth.
Recently I saw a post criticizing Mikasa for her treatment of Louise in the hospital, I answered not even defending her behavior but simply explaining the awful headspace she is in at that moment with all her allies leaving her in some way, Eren hurting her gravely, Armin having a mental breakdown right before, Floch establishing a dictatorship and executing an innocent right in front of her, Floch lying and telling her Levi and Hange were killed by Zeke... and I got downvoted for it. They don't want explanations, they hate them, they just want to circlejerk around objectively wrong or irrelevant points.
This was phenomenal. You good sir earned a sub!
47:15 we often catch ourselves and are self aware enough so we admit it to ourselves but not to other people
Hey man, as an aoe believer even now, I just want to say that the people from our community actually mostly didn’t care about fascism and whatever, not even that eren and Historia stuff, we just thought the ending was poorly executed and expected things based on an MV from Linked Horizon being true. I’ll probably get made fun of and we are a pretty toxic place but I just wanted to share my thoughts as someone who still frequents the subreddit and has believed for roughly 2 years now probably because of the many sprinkles the production team keeps laying out.
Thanks for the comment! Two things that might clarify what I believe.
1. I try to make a distinction between the plot chads (ANR) and the hope chads (AOE).
2. While I do anthropomorphize these communities into singular belief systems, as I said, there are people who are in these communities for all kinds of different reasons, and between the two, the hope chads were way less far-right than the plot chads. Like, I do think you kind of got got by conspiratorial thinking, but it's not like I think you specifically are a bad person or a bigot.
I'm really sorry you didn't like the ending we got. It wasn't for everyone.
Commenting for the algo and recommending putting more keywords in the video title for search, and maybe thumbnail should be something else instead of the joke Eren's Balls example.
I'm so happy I was there the final week. It was joever, they were barack, and it kept changing every hour. It was truly a beautiful scenery. To all the hopechads that sought AOE... good bye. I'll see you again for the next AoT thing.
help what does Anime Original Ending or AOE even exactly mean
It's when people thought an anime ending will be different from the manga or source material.
The screenshots are from the subreddit r/ANRime
Not only is this the most satisfyingly savage dunking on an incontrovertibly messed up community, but it also offers a thorough, deeply insightful analysis of many aspects of AoT as a whole. Overall brilliant video & analysis, and I absolutely cannot wait to watch more of this channel!
My AntiChads, rage!
My AntiChads, scream!
My AntiChads, FIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT
if eren knew he'd be stopped why did he say he was unsure if his friends would survive?
Because he is an idiot
@@LeboAnimations that's the best you got?
@@verycritique2546 only Ymir knows
Depends on how you choose to interpret Eren’s future sight powers and how much he knew.
In my opinion I believe that Eren couldn’t see the whole future (like Zeke points out in paths) until Ymir gives him the power of the founder, so before he started the rumbling he only knew that he’d do the rumbling, be stopped and the titan curse would end, he didn’t know who would survive to stop him, just that Mikasa’s choice would end the titan curse.
@@pokoyo3360 but this phrase was said to Armin when he was already in the Path, that is, based on your assumption, Eren knew that they would survive, so it remains unclear why he said this phrase.
Great Video! Keep up the good work. Do you have links/names of those videos mentioned at 1:50:30?
This really feels like the plot chads are just a bunch of closeted nazi sympathisers that want eren to be the uber cool fuhrer
This is brilliant. Fucking A +
The scope of this video is way bigger and more consequential than I could have expected and you argued it incredibly thoughtfully. Well fucking done!!
Yeah this is by far the best and most detailed summary of the fanbase backlash that wasn't really justified because a small minority of the community didn't get the ending they wanted. Every section goes into great detail as to why facts were misinterpreted or confused. I'm just happy even though some of the opinions are mixed we got and entertaining and thought provoking ending that perfectly encapsulates Attack on Titans world, writing, and themes. There won't be another anime like this in a while. Great job with the video.
@@ExpertContrarian name checks out
I think the "I'm an idiot" scene is a bit overblown or misunderstood by most. It's the same basic idea when Eren fails to save Hannes and says that he is "Still useless as ever". It's just Eren saying this is the best he could come up with but he feels it isn't good enough. But neither Mikasa nor Armin agree with him in their respective scenes. Eren asks for feedback, if Armin thinks he is an idiot for doing this and Armin trusts him that he made the choice that made the most sense... TLDR: The scene is just Eren asking Armin if he thinks he is an idiot for doing all this. It's not Eren giving the audience a reason why he did what he did. It was really weird seeing people misunderstand it.
Edit: It's also fascinating that people think that Paradis/the Eldians would just live peacefully till the end of times if there was no outside world... without that remaining 20% that threatened their future they would have soon turned on each-other and Eren's plan of "a brief time of peace" for his friends would have been over...
The idea that Historia's baby is a reincarnated Ymir who's also named Ymir based off of her best friend making it a double meaning is still my headcanon. It gives her a second chance at life being loved
Agreed
1000% Especially considering her and freckled Ymir's romance.
@@e443productions9creepy tbh cuz its her daughter
Eren didn’t create timelines by himself. You’re criticizing a theory that you didn’t understand
I didn’t expect this video to be this good
Hating Mikasa is not sexism, and Historia is indeed a better waifu. She has a better story arc and development at her core, but there’s nothing wrong with admiring her beauty as well. And “staying in the home raising kids”, really? Nothing wrong with staying home and raising kids, but she’s also the queen, one of the most powerful people on Paradis. Waifu wars are incredibly common and criticizing one over the other, even if it’s for something shallow such as looks, isn’t sexist.
You can hate mikasa without being sexist. But these people were being sexist.
@@awfulanime1301 How though? They didn’t say or imply anything bad about any women other than just Mikasa
@@vortex3833 So there is an answer but d I only wanna write it out if you are earnestly curious and not just trying to argue.
@@awfulanime1301 Just because people don't like her and you do doesn't mean they are evil, fascist sexists. People don't like Mikasa because she is simply not that good of a character.
@@sinesjoe Many in the AoE community dislike Mikasa because she goes against Eren and isn't their ideal waifu. They "like" Historia because she is their "Aryan princess" and they identify her as a trophy-wife because she doesn't do anything against Eren. They are so obsessed with having her as a trophy-wife that they think the scene where she is in tears and extremely scared of Eren when he tells her his plan is somehow a romantic scene.
NAXALT sure, but a good part are.
Rumbley in my tummbley 🧔♀😡🌳🌋
Levi 👨🦽😠🧑🏻
Zeak 🙉🧔🏼
Armin 🤷🏼♂😤
Mikasa 🧣👧🏻👩🏻❤👨🏻
Annie 🙇🏼♀🦶💎
Excellent video, although I think you are wrong about one thing. Conspiracy theories started with Eren is Historias baby daddy theory, that theory was always supported by the same gigachad Eren worshipping crowd who thought they are the only ones who understood the story and when they discovered anr music video they took it as an evidence and so baby daddy theory evolved into the anr theory. Also they called Mikasa dogkasa and mankasa before yeagerbomb even existed, all of them do it not just yeagerbomb
I don't know about the first point, but the last point is so true!!! Yeagerbomb was where a certain type of person tended to congregate, but it is not the only place that type of person can be found. One of the things I wanted to make clear in the video was how these guys exist as a spectrum, and that's a great point for illustrating that!
ive concluded that AoE theorists demonstrate a total disdain for the abstract