Sam Harris: Arguments against religion - Part 1
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- Compilate of Sam Harris best arguments and comebacks
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I love the way Sam brilliantly makes so much sense with humor.
Proverbs
10 Proverbs of Solʹo·mon.+
A wise son makes his father rejoice,+
But a foolish son is the grief of his mother.
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It is not so brilliant
Don't pretend to know things that you do not know. Words to live by.
Harris's analogy between religion and placebo at 7:00 is absolutely fantastic!
Watch the religious desperately interrupting to try to stop uncomfortable points.
True. I was ridiculed when I asked a so called Guru about reincarnation.
Interrupt and project.
Proverbs
9 True wisdom has built its house;
It has carved* out its seven pillars.
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"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." -- Voltaire
It's a lot older than that, starting with ghost fear.
Thank you for coming forward Sam. I am tired of being told that I am going to hell if I don't conform.
I tell them,” it’s your hell, you burn in it.”
"Religion gives people bad reasons to be good where his reasons are actually available." PERFECTLY SAID
I stated listening to Dr. Harris about 7 years ago and was immediately intrigued. I was addicted instantly. He has a way of putting things into perspective, and he does it in a way that cannot even be debated.
He and a few others convinced me that it is pointless to believe in ANY religion. He and the other 3 horsemen opened my eyes to the silliness of it all. The contradictions… the lies… the unmistakable evil of “the good book”.
Aron Ra, Seth Andrews, Matt Dillahunty… I know I’m forgetting some others but… they’re all amazing people.
I don’t know those three you mentioned but will definitely look them up. Thanks.
Wish there were more intelligent men like this
There are!!!
May you find them easily. 😊
There was once a man called Jesus. lol
@moltenpros Rivera? Alvarez? Santiago? Which Jesus are you talking about? There are thousands!
They're not very uncommon, just gotta look in the right places
@@moltenpros xD
Greatest Exponent of Critical thinking and reasoning in the understanding of deluded beliefs...we can open our minds to scientific thinking and get away from superstition and religious dogma...man has to do this and change humanity..Thank you Mr Harris for your great discourse ❤❤
It is reassuring to see so many positive responses, as below, to Sam Harris. Maybe people are at last waking up to the truth but we have a long way to go especially in apparently well-educated nations like the USA, where as he says biology teachers are afraid to teach the established principle of evolution based on genetics, in case the parents of the students, remove that teacher from the school. Think about it.
Elderly white middle class male Australian
Bravo... literally just BRAVO!
I like Sam's invented religion. where if you don't follow the beliefs of his religion. you will be forced to live out eternity with a seven headed demon named Dexter. it still sounds more sane than any of our current religions.
Sometimes I find myself making these very same arguments when having conversations with my fellow countrymen in benign social gatherings. It is still to this day very surprising to see how Italians look at me as if they had never thought nor entertained themselves with such ideas and arguments. I then try to throw some Ricky Gervais remarks to try to lighten up the situation but not even comedy and some hitch slaps can save me. Oh Thor this makes me feel really lonely sometimes
I make the same mistakes.
People are not likely to change their minds as you present an argument that goes against their cemented beliefs. So don't despair. They may modify their thinking gradually and privately. I'd only recommend that you not ridicule their intellect but rather simply show the other possibilities.
Keep at it, though.youre Italian.
You get things done and have since the days of the Roman Empire.
It's very difficult to escape the beliefs you've been indoctrinated into since childhood. I felt betrayed, duped, afraid of what loved ones would think. But at some point, you can't pretend anymore. Once you've seen the truth, it's tough to put the blinders back on. Good luck to those of you going through this. You have my support!
same. I live in SE Alabama, and I'm the only atheist I know 😂.
Just remember, there's nothing wrong with being lonely.
Don't believe those who told you otherwise.
Great compilation. Thank you!
Thanks for uploading ❤
The only honest answer we can really say about why we are here and exist, is I don't know, and that's ok. But religious people can't except that.
I struggled for years to purge the last poisonous religious ideology out of my mind. I eventually came to the simple conclusion that I am too good a person to be religious.
Mr. Harris! Just discovered you from Canada! Fantastic! I guess somebody finally got that old '50's NORAD base up and running! I'd better go around on my snowmobile and tell all the locals that the war is over !!! And Yay for us !
Who the hell is this Trump 'A' hole? and what's a Skittle? As a fellow atheist, keep plugging' Brother. I dropped that stone off my back in my early teens. Great stuff !!
American here. yeaaaaaa, we are working on that Tyrant guy. We got an Oligarchy to push out too...
Great content and presentation. 🇦🇺 😊
Excellent editing this far... going to watch the entire clip! Just had to comment.
In this UK we have lots of Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims etc.etc. Here's a question worth thinking about. Why is there no Hinduophobia or Sikhophobia in this country ????
Simple,,,, Hindus and Sikhs and the Chinese communities, for the most part don't cause trouble, obey our laws, actually work and pay their taxes,,,,
Because many Hindus hate Muslims and therefore make common cause with Christians. If there were no more Muslims there would be a sudden anti-Hindu wave by the white Christian majority.
If Brexit has taught us anything it’s that there is a deep undercurrent of racism in English society.
Thank you 🫡
EVERY individual religious person cobbles together their own version of their religion, in exactly the same way that Sam describes religion doing it generally. EVERY person takes whatever parts of their religion they decide to, and rejects that which doesn't suit them personally...every single one of them.
For many, and I suspect it's the vast majority, what they may know or remember of their religion will be piecemeal, out of context, and nothing more than their own interpretation of whatever they may have heard and think they understood. They'll accept whatever fits their lifestyle and prejudices, and not bother with the rest. They claim to believe in their religion SOLELY because it's the one they were born into, not because they've ever done any honest religious comparison, in the rare case any is done at all. They generally don't really know much about their own religion, and it wouldn't occur to them to question it.
EVERY religious person is making it up for themselves as they go along, which means that this word "god" has absolutely no agreed meaning, so that it really has no meaning at all. Until ALL the world's religious people get together and agree on ONE god, ONE theology, and ONE mythology that is verifiably authentic, no single one of them should arrogate to themselves to expect ANYONE to accept their personal delusions.
Every..... And like EVERY argument that requires a universal homogenous group your argument is a logical fallacy
@@tomo5136 You're just trying to dodge the point.
Sam Harris is a Jedi.
Great to hear it for Scandinavia...Meyt many Ameriicans (in Denark) who over te years readily confirmed that view. LONG live the genius of the Vikings...
I love the channel name "thinking straight" definitely sounds like something he would say. Like a synonym to "making sense".
Harris for president 2024!
Please tell another joke, that one made me laugh so hard
Nah, I think he's busy doing other things...
He is a very worthy advocate but please do not continue to promote people who have media exposure to the presidential status. The USA has lots of rational young people who could do a good job in the white house.
Yea. But what do you do with congress?
I cannot vote for someone with TDS.
Ironically, a man that can see how ludicrous religion can be. He has fallen for 'the orange man bad' mantra.
Trump may be a blowhard and a jersey but he is not orange hit ler
I am not interested in origins, opinions or propoganda.
I deal with my situation as it confronts me every day.
Everyone should be treated with kindness and compassion. Judge no one on face value.
Around 30:50 I love this argument about those who believe Elvis is not dead aren’t sitting on our board of directors. There isn’t good evidence for it. Even if Elvis appeared again and said, “gotcha!” the reasons that people believed he was alive before his unveiling of gotcha, were bad. Same with if a god actually exists. The reasons people have are bad until good evidence shows to be true. Otherwise it’s just luck.
I'm afraid of Dexter now.
The best way to change religion is to switch economic goals
You are very cheeky. Maybe you are on to something. I am sceptical. The almost overwhelmingly pervasive preponderance of religious nonsense will not be cured by economics, it can only be cured by education.
Elderly white middle class male Australian
the best way is to make sure all religions have a voice and are represented, especially the satanists....
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We need people like him as president. Not some narcissists and communists.
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The concept of God represents our hope for manager: as children we were omnipotent director of our play.
The religion is adult application of this monotheistic view. Problem is then: How you can explain the impossibilities? The more thesis is needed to explain the more unconvincing the God and religion becomes.
Saying "I do not know" is the beginning of wisdom.
Ya, we need SOMEONE to be in charge 😂. Every single one of us just popped into existence (in our perspective), and then the people that have been here longer let us in on what we've learned about the situation thus far.
I mean, to be a species with metacognition in our precarious situation on a planet in the vast expanse of this seemingly desolate and violent universe is terrifying. I get while we feel that need. I'm a lifelong atheist, but the first time I saw a total solar eclipse, I could imagine the dread and terror that something so bizarre would spark in humans with no understanding of what's going on. The wildlife gets quiet, the light is a hue that isn't normal, there are thousands of little crescent moon-shaped shadows all over the ground. Plus, let's face it, there's a giant black hole in the middle of the sun. It's a strange feeling. Even knowing exactly what's happening (we can literally predict it to the second), it was an awesome sight.
I just wish we could stop sh*tting on humans by burdening them with original sin. We deal with enough. We can be selfish and violent, and we can be incredibly selfless and compassionate. We developed language and can weave words into poetry to soothe others or use words to abuse. We are not filthy sinners. We have ONE chance to experience life, and this life is not to wipe your feet on your way into heaven. All we have to offer humanity is science, language, and the memories we leave behind in those who are still living. We are literally all we have.
@@lifesquandered you have splendid thoughts and expressions. Thank you for sharing!
Just to break the ice -- because SOMEONE needs to do it -- Harris should run for president. No one can be elected president who does not profess belief in Yahweh, that's true enough. There was a time when a woman could not be so elected. No longer. An atheist should absolutely make the attempt.
A self proclaimed ashiest will never succeed at being elected until we the people educate our children until we have a voting generation that understands the difference between Church and the Classroom.
@JHernandezsb Here in the UK nobody could care less if our leader is religious so I know America could achieve this as well. It'll take a long time though and unfortunately you've got people like Andrew Tate and all the Daily Wire hosts promoting religion despite having no idea what they're talking about
As great of a thinker and speaker as he is, he’d likely make a terrible politician. Most political figures have extensive legal and international relations education, all for some very good reasons.
@@willymack5677 In our lifetime it is a fact that political figures know zip about legal and international relations. Presidents represent the Nation. Vice Presidents deal in foreign international relations. Obama had great domestic policy, if one who is not a racist or bigot would agree to. But his policy outside our boarders were terrible. Letting the CIA use drones to strike weddings and birthday parties. Trump divided the nation with his BS. Biden cant stay awake long enough to remember which way is the exit. Don't get me started on our congress. AOC, a liberal representative who was previously a food server. She had zero experience and she makes more sense today than most of her counterparts and comrades. Wake the frack up. These people we elect because they seem cool are shallow and greedy. I think if we elected some highly intelligent people, they would put scientists in charge of science and education, instead of putting a neuro surgeon in charge of Government Housing for the poor. I think we need more reasonable NON religious folks in office.
Like trump?
Basic understanding of science and economics would be great.
just a quick reminder that the first amendment conflicts with the first commandment
"thou shalt worship whoever you want"
and that the declaration of human rights gives ME more rights than god.
and a history lesson cos the USA is a secular nation, not many people seem to know that,
and the founding fathers were at best deists and certainly not christian. hitchens became
a naturalised american purely because of the constitution. the UK is officially christian,
the US is officially secular.
is it annoying that the satanic temple has the SAME RIGHTS as the church / mosque?
Sam 'The Sausage of Faith' Harris
hotdogging the religious.
Im sure there are many killers in prison that belive in a god .
The vast majority of prisoners of every kind, believe in a god.
@@roems6396I agree 👍🏼
Yeh over 90% in US prisons. Religion has only ever encouraged people to do bad things. Those who are good might think it's their Religion but they would have been good anyway
@@yumyum723
It’s sad that most people have no clue where morals come from. So many theists claim that they get their morals from their religion or god. It’s simply not how it works.
@@yumyum723 I advise you watch inspiring philosophy’s debate with Matt dillahunty and godless engineer regarding if Christianity has done more good or bad, you’ll see that the statistics show otherwise
The definition of religion is that to which we are bound which is the entire cosmos. Humanity will go with the broader perspective, no one wants to be reduced to the elemental or the biological when the cosmos is ours. We come from it not from some mid-nineteenth century perspective on biology, which is just our outer coat, we are much more than that limited perspective ordains.
As well as consciousness and mind the complexity of DNA, of the cell is not fully understood. It appears there is intelligence there, and in the cosmos, that is causal to the full spectrum of life. Darwin focused on the cell, being clueless even about its complexity and equally clueless about much else; what is consciousness, (todays ‘hard problem’ ) mind, the electricities, electromagnetism and magnetism itself, which even today is a total mystery.
People are not ready to be so biologically identified with the cellular, with biology, that they ignore the full range of the human -- consciousness, mind, electricity, electromagnetism, magnetism, etc. The elemental and cellular; the biological, is important but focusing on it exclusively is limiting and at the cusp of a quantum age we can, and should, do better. Religion takes in the entire spectrum and that is its appeal.
I stand in front of the sea he said to me why you are sad ?
I said because of the treatment of some people
He said dont worry they treat me the same way
I said how?
He say those who swim in the surface said oh look that sea is turbulent or calm but those who dives inside me explore my secrets and extract my pearls
Then i laugh but people looked at me and said look he is insane he laugh with himself
Then i hear the sea laugh at their reaction then i laugh with the sea and ignored them
I dont like superficial people and you have to not reveal your depth to them because they are not interested in watering you they just wanna collect your fruits
Religion isnt for superficial people
I do not beIieve in reIigion because I am against vioIating humanRightss.
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Live long and prosper.
The character Yahweh's greatest trick in the bibles was to convince us that the devil was the evil one.
If I believed in religion , I would say the devils greatest deception was not to make people believe he doesn't exist but that he is the god half the world believe in.
That's the " Usual Suspects " you're quoting w out crediting. Dont b a schmuck.
It does say in Koran and Bible their same being though,so well
You mean "I create both good and evil" probably, but does it really cut it, though, as the being referred to as the opposer literally speaks with god? Schitzo god?
Boring
@@tomsaywer9883 Thanks for the insightful input.
Interesting how despite the efforts of such intelligent and well lettered men like Sam Harris, we are again suffering under the irrational and intractable thumb of religious zealotry. Considering the rise of a demagogue and utter and profound disrespect for life parading around as "pro-life" it would be in humanities best interest to recognize that we have been given some great tools by Harris, Hitchens and Dawkins et al to combat ignorance-cum-ancient wisdom, we just need to use them.
Unfortunately ignorance and superstition aren’t so easily combated.
How good is that contribution?
(May 2, 2024)
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Large audience with groups of opposing beliefs
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Multiple interpretations of gospels
15:04 15:45
Iron Age philosophy w 21st century technology
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I may offend some of u, that is not the point, i am genuinely worried
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Emersonbiggins I was talking about god,not atheist
Because of ancestor worship people have an innate desire for religion.
I don't, I've been an atheist since my first school teacher told me a man walked on water, even at 5 yrs old I knew she was lying
One can look out from one's cave in the morning sure in the knowledge that the sun has risen without the intervention of any god.
not dexter!! 😂😂
I don’t think religion is really the problem, it’s more religious fundamentalism, especially radical Islam that is a problem. The fundamentals of Islam are not peaceful.
The fundamentals of Christianity are definitely not peaceful
ReIigion is the problem. It gives peopIe a free pass to be horrible and absolve themselves.
＼(^^)／ The human body is burly, gnarly and surly like a fractal.
My mother used to say, "You can wish in one hand and shit in the other hand and we'll see which one gets full first."
The part that doesn't make sense to me in his moral arguments is that the amoeba can't comment on us, but we comment on God. We know better. There are layers of understanding of reality that separate us. I can't ask the amoeba how to do my job, and anyone who would try to do so would be insane. But here Mr Harris is what?? If an atheist was truly honest they would say "I don't believe in God, but I can't comment on God because under the context of that discussion I am the amoeba compared to a human , and an amoeba certainly can't comment on me, therefore I can't comment on God..logically". The amoeba in the petri dish doesn't know it living in a created environment and doesn't know its missing anything. Bible says God foreknows time. He knows our hearts and works all things together for good for those who love him and not evil. Layers of reality difference, can't even begin to understand. This very short life, "vapor in the wind" as the Bible puts it, is only a tiny piece of life; eternity is kind of a big deal. I don't think Mr Harris would call parents that shove medal objects in their children, booster shot, evil. The child doesn't understand. The pain only lasts a moment, but 90 years without disease are coming. The percentage of eternity compared this life in infinity larger. According to the Bible, children who haven't reached an age of accountability don't go hell, etc... We decide to follow evil; the whole world think killing our own children, abortion, and helping other kill their own children is good? An in the next breath say "How dare God condemn us!" ? ?
God gets to do what he wants. Yet According to the Bible he has grace. He loved us enough to die for the sins of man on a cross according to the Bible. All he asks is some faith. The Bible says the reason we don't choose God is that our hearts crave darkness.
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Take A Moment
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No gods required or seen in my foxhole for 45 years 1:21 thx Zeus 🙏 1:35
Evolutionist Michael Denton: "The complexity of the simplest known type of cell is so great that it is impossible to accept that such an object could have been thrown together suddenly by some kind of freakish, vastly improbable, event. Such an occurrence would be indistinguishable from a miracle."
Evolutionist?
Sam makes some great arguments but the response from his opponents would be good to hear. No matter how wrong they may be. Listening only to Sams arguments feels a bit too much like idol worshiping. He's not God ya'know
Perhaps you're at the beginning of your deconversion journey in which case it would be a Fair criticism except for the fact that we've heard all the responses and they are worse than their original arguments and to those responses there would be more counter arguments that are even more poignant. And to those they will just keep changing the subjects, point to their absurd religious texts, engage in logical fallacies, circular arguments, false dichotomys, red herrings, and appeals to emotion or experience and of course more unsubstantiated claims and blatant lies. Thousands of years with nothing remotely valid. There's nothing left to hear for anyone that has been searching.
6:28 looking at you Ayan H Ali
A traitor
All these arguments for or against religion and God, are pointless, because no one knows, or can prove or disprove the truth of the Gods existence, its all what you are prepared to believe! Full stop!
The argument at the end is absolute rubbish,,, bad things happen because god is mysterious,,,, so the 2004 tsunami was so goodness will come in the future? God is supposed to be almighty, so he can do anything, so he could've allowed those people to live and still had goodness come, he's god fo gods sake,,,,, 'cept he's not, because the whole concept is just stupid,,,, I'd like to hear of a few good things god has done, because I've never seen any of it
Jeez, did they mic his throat or something?
I'm confused as to why Sam, at the very end, mention Buddhism a long side Christianity and Judaism. What I have loved about Buddhism is that it insists that you do not believe things solely on faith or by authority. If anyone has another perspective as to why he lumped Buddhism in with those religions I am all ears. That one statement lost Sam a lot of respect from me.
Current events?
(^ー^) Natural selection is the character flaw in evil that is integrity is more important than life otherwise evolution is tragic circumstances with nothing intelligent happening. Almost everyone survive until they reproduce. Nothing is getting selected except for the character flaw in evil. I found a replacement for the character flaw in evil that I liked but God makes me forget things that will cause me trouble.
Quick IQ test...
Solve: 4, 5, 14, 185, ...
I don't believe in DOGMA'S.
People think reality is a matter of opinion and the best put together words wins... Words mean nothing to reality and their articulation is just there to simply try to explain a certain fact, water is wet(in regular temperatures and pressure) there is no second opinion... Thus, arguments for science are irrelevant, it's the results of tests and calculations that determine a reality, not a debate and opinions, in short, Sam Harris needn't argue just lay down facts and walk away from chatter.
If words mean nothing, your comment falls flat 🤣
It's a pity I have no idea what you mean.
It's about debates, people tend to think that an outcome or decision is based on oratory skills, in a political clash for example, 2 meet and have a conversation, the one that seems more confident and has whitty combacks , is considered the winner...but what if the other one was right all along but he is just more shy? Or less extroverted to be able to express himself well... That is the main idea, reality is not verbal skills , hope it cleared things a bit for you. Cheers
sausage
I would like to invite Mr. Harris to Sweden to see for himself how "well" our "moral" and now totally soulles country is doing...
Well said
If you don’t think Sweden is functioning reasonably good, then read up about the rest of the world. We sure have problems, but there are still at least 170 countries that are doing worse.
You still aren’t proving that Religion is helpful.
If you want to poke holes in fundamental Christianity here's a list: 1. If the Earth is only 8000 years old, how old does that make our sun than, and how do you explain Zoroastrianism which is older than Christianity (6000 years old), and Christianity been accused of stealing or copying their beliefs etc and claiming them to be their own 2. Why do fundamental Christians put so much faith in a book that's missing other books that were omitted (see Councils of Nicaea and more) like the Gnostic Gospels, the Apocrypha, the gospel of Peter and more. 3. What role did Pope Julius and Constantine play in establishing December 25th as the birth of Jesus? 4. This is the finishing punch as in " Mortal Combat -Finish him" lol. Ask John Lennox or any religious zealot/Christian on the street if they put up a Christmas tree, giving gifts and celebrating the birth of Jesus( Christ-mas) on December 25th, then say this. Well, as a rational clear thinking person, you must know then that 1. December 25th is in fact a pagan holiday (Winter Solstice)and not the birth of "Jesus" 2. The Christmas tree is a pagan symbol 3. Gift giving on December 25th is a pagan ritual? Finally tell them that their Christianity is not 2000 years old, Roman Catholicism is 2000 years old. Tell them, their offshoot of Christianity/belief/faith dates back to the 1800's not the "Day of Pentecost" as they falsely and erroneously claim, and is courtesy of John Wesley White and the Methodist movement. Ask them to also prove and provide evidence how they know categorically for sure their "God" is a he and they're not just being sexist. And look up the10,500 year basket they unearthed somewhere in the middle east and show them that.. I could go on lol.. Have a Merry Christmas
What an incredible strawman with claims refuted by a simple google search.
Outside of the Da Vinci code (a work of fiction) and arguments atheist like to repeat in their echo chamber/ bubble nobody that has any knowledge of history thinks that the council of Nicea had anything to do with the canon of the bible (deciding the list of books accepted). How could you ever claim for yourself to be a thinker while not dooing a simple fact check of anything you hear ? Do you have blind faith in what Sam is telling you ?
My Methodist minister blamed ME for being attacked!
If a God exist, he won't let ONLY FANS exist. SMDH
blind leading the blind till both fall in the ditch.
There is no ditch but hey keep choking on that giant dick that is religion 😂
Meth killed my dog
As our understanding of who and what God is, is sketchy at best, pretty much any depiction of God that didn't come from Jesus, is going to be a straw-man God.
Blaming God for children dying is a convenient trope. Promoters of the Bible as "the word of God" do themselves nor God any favors by it. Done of course, to spur folks to follow it, but the shelf-life of that idea has expired.
But rather than question the theologians concepts of God, which in many cases is still tainted with god-of-the-gaps mentality of God being immediately at hand causing physical calamities, atheists like Sam are happy to hang that failing around the neck of the religionist. And then, to add insult to injury, play like that's the only definition of God possible, and given any illogical depiction of God, use that as evidence for the non-existence of God. (Rightly believing that God should at the very least, be logical.)
Admittedly, I'm happy to have Sam put the Bible in its place, as there is now a superior text on who and what God is, and where he(she) is: The Urantia Book, which is a suitable replacement for the Bible.
This is a comment I just made elsewhere asking questions to Richard Dawkins, but I think they also apply to Sam Harris, who I think of as an even deeper thinker without all the pretension of RD.
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Dawkins talks about breaking the cycle of parent to child religion, but also pretty much everything he says is to him and his fans supposed based on science and data and logic.
My question would be what is the real concrete scientific basis to destroy religion. Most of you guys on this channel rally against Communism in every video posted, but wasn't the first social engineering tenets of what was pointed at as communism to outlaw religion? So is that a plus on the side of communism or a contradiction?
Also, what about military families, or police families or the family businesses where parents indoctrinate children into those societies?
Is there not some kind of parallel there that ends up pointing to the problem with human corruption (familial) in almost anything that humans do? Why not outsource children's upbringing to communes, or kibbutzes as they do in Israel, and if so is that not also some form or aspect of communism.
And finally, what is communism? We point to Russia, China, Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, etc as communist such that any country we in the West call communist is merely a proxy insult for our stated enemies?
And did not Marx and Engels say that communism would theoretically occur at some point in the future in such time as the socio-economic system would be so fair and inclusive that the state would just wither away?
I'd love to hear some answers to these questions, because without a clear understanding of all the rammification of what Dawkins says it seems like he is just a hired gun to propagandize our system just as he says religion brainwashes children as they grow up and become or would become aware?
If your defence of religion is that it acts as a bulwark against communism, that’s a fairly weak position to take. Harris, Dawkins etc. aren’t communists. Many would see communism as a political religion, with sacred texts, prophets, heretics and a promise of a wonderful future. 100 million corpses and numerous failed states in the 20th Century would more than suggest this is false. The enemy is dogma in all its forms.
And the question shouldn’t be “give me a good reason to destroy Christianity.” The onus is on the one making the claim to give us reason to believe.
TH-cam is designed to make it like the average man has a way better life than you do
i have a great life without any gods, demons, wives.
Placebo's, they work like a miracle.
Psalms 14:1 (To the chief Musician, H5329 A Psalm of David.) H1732 The fool H5036 hath said H559 in his heart, H3820 There is no God. H430 They are corrupt, H7843 they have done abominable H8581 works, H5949 there is none that doeth H6213 good. H2896
Psalms 53:1 (To the chief Musician H5329 upon Mahalath, H4257 Maschil, H4905 A Psalm of David.) H1732 The fool H5036 hath said H559 in his heart, H3820 There is no God. H430 Corrupt H7843 are they, and have done abominable H8581 iniquity: H5766 there is none that doeth H6213 good. H2896
Please seek help before someone puts you out of your misery with a coup de grace.
Nurse! Nurse!
Listening to Sam actually brings me closer to understanding the things Jesus was trying to teach.
I believe that Jesus was an absolute advocate for reason
Except you have no clue what Jesus ever said or did. No one who met him ever wrote about him. The gospels were written by anonymous scribes, who didn’t know him, decades after his death.
'Reason' you say.
Don't be ridiculous, that's the very thing 'beliefs' are bereft of.
@Tinker1950
I understand. However, Christ's main teachings were to do with forgiveness, which isnt a "belief". Forgiveness is a reasonable thing to do while living our lives. It has a positive psychological effect on the spirit
@@hamhead2765 A rather obvious suggestion - and in no way requires the invocation of 'beliefs' in that for which there is absolutely no evidence - and 'spirit' being another one.
@Tinker1950
Sure. We'll then let's say "forgiveness" is evolutionary.
Recognized as beneficial and articulated to the masses by people who were wise. Jesus, Buddah or your Uncle Larry.
What does it matter how someone arrives at reaching a point of understanding?
I say "spirit" in lieu of an undiscovered scientific term that describes a human beings connection with things that touch our hearts.
Why do you like some music even when it doesn't have lyrics?
What's the science behind that? So that's why I say "spirit"
The Dogs Bark But the Caravan moves on & its been moving on for thousands of years and will continue
A group people, especially traders or pilgrims, travelling together across a desert in Asia or North Africa.
FSH, He has TDS.
As far as I can say. Sam is a good human being trying to make sense of what's going on around us, whether it's in the name of religion or not, and that's not bad, I guess. No doubt he is very intelligent, but he is very ignorant at the same time. Especially when he refers to Islam , it clearly shows that he is either very ignorant of Islam or he is purposely distorting the truth. My advice to Sam is better reread the Quran if you have read it and try to understand it without any sort of prejudice. If you make a genuine effort, I'm sure you'll learn a lot and will change your views and perspective on Islam. By the way, I'm not trying to say anything about the average Muslim you encounter, but about Islam.
Forget religion, let's hear your argument against Jesus?
Romans 1:20-22
[20]For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
[21]Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
[22]Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
None of this makes even remote sense.
The character Yahweh's greatest trick in the bibles was to convince us that the devil was the evil one!
@tulpas93 Satan is a lier and the father of it
Read genius very carefully he was already casting doubt into eve saying Hast God said she even said they couldn't touch it God didn't say that HE SAID not to eat of it Satan also used the Bible verces to tempt God the Lord Jesus. Of course God won of course God knows all Satan is the father of lies
And he loves evolution and falts gospels and falts teachers especially this close to the end . Do you really think man kind got so smart in the last 200 years to get out of the horse and carriage and communications like today
No it is God's plan to evangelize the world so the elect ones will hear the gospel and become saved its God who saves people unfortunately most churches do not teach the whole consel of God mix into that are lies from Satan but Satan can't hinder God's work of salvation at all
A younger clueless version of Richard Dawkins
If you want to see clueless, look in the mirror.
Anything to offer except ad hominem?
Why clueless?
Unfortunately man’s EGO focuses 90% on why their religion is right and the other religions are wrong. There are many of the same spiritual truths in all religions that are the most important part of religion. My advice to anyone who is in doubt about if they know God is to forget everything written or spoken by man and simply be still. Remember every religious book you “believe “ in is written by man. The evolution of man and religion or Gods should be studied by everyone. By the way I believe in God because of my experience with God, and belief is not the right word, I know. I use the word or sound “God” just because everyone knows that I’m speaking about the spirit of the universe . Man made God in his own image. If you are a religious person and are ever offended or upset about something someone says against your beliefs, I can tell you confidently you do not know God. Why? Because you are lost in EGO.
I left bible for Quran in 2002. Sam is right Bible errors are enormous deterrent to believing in bible
You traded one godd for another just as bad godd.
This is so tough because I love listening to him on this subject. And then when he talks about Trump basically being Hitler or Covid lies being OK. That is so hypocritical. So it’s not OK to lie to our kids about deities so that they behave correctly and treat each other nicely. But for some reason it’s OK to lie about the dangers of an exaggerated flu. And now Sam is still doubling down and saying even though it wasn’t real, it could’ve been well that sounds like a religion Sam that sounds like faith.
Maybe you should question yourself here…and refute the actual arguments he lays out on those issues…
What Harris is discussing and teaching is far more important than any 4 or 8 year presidential term.
I'm sure, because you are likely human like me, that there are foolish blind spots in your perception of the world.
You'll be fine as long as you become "unshakable" in your opinions of people with power.
Oh well argue at the sky, isn't changing anything, wish I could be blissfully ignorant just live my life it doesn't say it can't be changed only if you do this or that will happen, share it, shouldn't of tried interpreting it, I thought about that for awhile don't make sense everyone will see him first thought was how big would he have to be idk, but do know what I'm about.
And on the 8th day, God said “Let there be punctuation.”
@@gtr5973 bothered by common sense? Lol petty argument, sign of a sore loser.
What utter drivel.
I must assume you are an educationally sub-normal ten year old
On what day did God invent coherent thought for his human creatures?
Or did He rest on that day instead?
@@transom2 well when people have coherent thoughts let me know.
Oh the ot, smh Jesus Christ
Jordan Peterson was right. This is just lazy intellectualism...
Romans 2:14-16
[14]For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
[15]Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
[16]In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
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@@tulpas93 your welcome thanks
Hebrews 11:3
[3]Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
If you never read it stop talking like you know what it says.
Maybe it’s you who needs to read it
Who are you talking to?
Jesus said don’t follow religion follow Him cause He’s the ONLY way to the Father.
Proverbs 1:7 "the fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction."
John 6:44 Jesus says "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: And I will raise him up at the last day"
You also cannot make an arguement that God kills children and at the same time be pro-choice. So why is it ok for women to kill unborn children but not ok for God to bring a child home? Death isn't a bad thing if the one that created everything calls you home.
Lastly you cannot not argue that people are taught the wrong religion so they have the wrong God and then end up in hell and at the same time want to keep God out of schools. If you're arguement is the truth will set you free then let's put God back into schools to give everyone back an educated choice to either follow God or not. After all that is our free will.
Sam Harris is a great example of a self defeating atheist. All things point to God and this God is Jesus which is provable historically, medically and all around scientifically.
If your "god" or any god wants me to worship him/her, he/she can get off their backside and ask me personally and nicely (please/thankyou stuff) in public before witnesses. If it needs a book written by committees, then it's not true. Grow up.
@@petergaskin1811 if it needs a book written by committees then it isn't true???? This means all the science books are also out then correct? After all they are books written by committee.
Now these are GODS words so you can debate them all you want to no avail
Unfortunately you have no evidence for this mindless assertion.
@user-yp2hn2zd3q my world view is totally different from you we have the same evidence all around us
@user-yp2hn2zd3q for example a air plane guidance system. read about them very very complex and the plane itself. I've never seen them construct the guidance system, but I know it didn't construct itself or the plane didn't have intellectual abilities to construct itself. We were made in God's image the Bible says so we are able to construct things to a certain extent. So something like DNA is way way way more complex than we can possibly imagine and even science itself calculations say the odds of it coming together of its self are so unimaginable. That the plane has a better chance and the guidance system to construct itself than that And their are millions of other things complex like DNA to compare. So when I look at the creation, a tree for example has the ability to pump gallons and gallons of water out of the ground to its branches and to the leaf scientists are amazed. It was designed and created by an all powerful God. That's my world veiw we have the same science the same evidence. But different points of view
@user-yp2hn2zd3q Odds of a strand of DNA arranging itself in the right order to create life? 1 in 10^400,000. About the same as YOU winning the lottery EVERY DAY for 15 Billion consecutive years.
This came from science calculations
He's immoral unholy hates happiness hates all humans,yet you love him,wow
Sam’s trying to make the world a better place for us all to live. Even if you disagree, don’t assign a well intentioned person bad intentions.
Prove your claim or stfu.
@@timcrowe8696how did he do that?
Speaking of hatred of humans, we need look no further than the Bible where even Yahweh and his prophets indulge . . .
After a military victory over the Midianites Moses is angry with his generals for bringing home too many prisoners. In response he commands genocide, mass murder of infant boys, child sex trafficking and slavery:
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Numbers 31:17-18 - King James Version
Hmmm…who has ever murdered every human on earth? Oh, yeah…your “loving” god 🙄
Just don't ask him about what he did on Epstein’s Island........
Every disciple died because they knew Jesus was the Son of Man. People don’t die if something is a lie. History is recorded and this guy doesn’t have spiritual ears to hear.
You do more to destroy religion than any atheist ever could. Keep up the good work.