I cannot understand, why the Enterprise F was tossed aside like that in ST: Picard. It is simply a disgrace. They should have let the Constitution stay dead and show the decommissioning of the Enterprise E, while the F being commissioned!
I guess it should've been the E, but they wanted to include the F (for the Fans) but it feels really like a heavy downgrade from the F to the Neo-Connie.
@@keru80101it was supposed to to be the USS Picard , but they changed it last minute idk who it was- but several people weren’t happy about it , but it was so last minute you couldn’t change it .
In my opinion JJ Abrams, Kurtzman, Bad Robot & Secret Hideout has ruined everything Star Trek since 2009. And even though Star Trek Online has taken many of those things either because they had to or wanted to, I would take any of their original content as canon over anything the JJ verse has brought us. The Odyssey class is a very pretty ship. While the winning sketch for 'Design the next Enterprise' had issues. Cryptic took that and really made a slick vessel. I didn't care for the duel neck at first, but it's really grown on me. It's criminal how they just retired it so they could shoe horn in the director's favorite Shangri-La class as the new Enterprise while simultaneously pooping all over the Titan.
@@Dracounguis hold on there son those remake star trek movies were fun because they admitted they were an alternate universe which ok thank you for owning it JJ. But STD is horrible and sucks prodigy is good picard season 3 is good I would have like to see the F re commissioned as the F and given to 7
@@Dracounguis Hold on just one second the 2009 Kelvin Enterprise is gorgeous! And the movie was pretty good , ok after that everything else sucked lol .
@@hawkstringfellow if 2009 had been 100% alternate universe, ok. _(And they had to be bullied into saying it was an alternate universe. They first started saying the Narada coming back changed ALL these things in the timeline.)_ But they had to dip their toes in the Prime universe too and damage it... the stupid star exploding taking out Romulus light years away, red matter just existing, all the things wrong with a Romulan mining ship taking out a dozen starships... Just so many things that make no sense.
Yes! We should have seen the E retired at Frontier Day. Then the F should have been introduced. But they just introduced the F to give fans a view of the ship and tossed it aside. This was a very bad move, IMO.
I enjoyed season 3 of Picard but hated what they did to this ship and the tiny, underpowered ship that took the name Enterprise. Titan should've remained Titan. Enterprise is supposed to be the flagship, state of the art ship. Enterprise-G is definitely NOT the top of the line.
@@TK-421_66 I dunno. The execlior was more state of the art than the Enterprise A. They eventually did decommision it but not after it had been old school for a few years.
@@DisFantasy yeah this one instance it made sense. At one point Constitution and Constitution refit were both top of the line. Giving Kirk and his crew what was essentially their old ship back made a thousand percent more sense than renaming Titan to be Enterprise. Giving them what was once the Yorktown is similar to Sisko getting a replacement Defiant that was renamed Defiant. It feels correct. What happened at the end of PS3 was odd.
@@smash461986 The Excelsior class was still in testing at the time, (though behind the scenes giving them the Excelsior as the Enterprise-A was the plan for a minute), but it was only seven or eight years later that the Enterprise-B was indeed an Excelsior class. I don't think anyone watching Star Trek IV in theaters was disappointed to see another Connie waiting for them. But giving a new crew and old ship doesn't have the same emotional resonance.
The neo-Constitution Enterprise G is too small and underpowered to be the Federation flagship! In my canon the Ent G can’t cut it as a flagship, and is reverted back to the Titan, with the Odyssey Enterprise F being refit and recommissioned.
Not to mention straight up aesthetically inferior in every way! The Neo-Constitution even looks technologically backwards from the Odyssey. Like a lesser, older ship in every way.
@@axelhopfinger533 Yes. The Odyssey is clearly a design evolution of the classes that came before it; Galaxy, Sovereign, even elements of the Excelsior and Oberth in there. The neo-connie is just some Hollywood ‘creatives’ excuse to design something new and avoid paying someone for prior art. The retro revival ship aesthetic of Picard really pisses me off. LCARS look great, the interiors are good, but the exteriors are a total non-sequitur!
@@mikeward1701 I just generally hate the visual style of the entire Discovery era and Picard ships. They're just straight up ugly and primitive looking. unsophisticated. I mean, you want to tell me that Starfleet still hasn't found a way to fabricate its starship hulls to such a precision and consistency that the hull plating panels all look smooth and even in texture? That they cannot use some surface treatment to make them not look like they're welded together from some cheap sheet metal? The updated redesigns of these same ships from Star Trek Online are generally looking rather quite good though. Like Starfleet engineers finally got their act together and put some effort into the finish of their ships.
As much as I enjoyed Picard S3. The Titan-A has no business taking the name Enterprise. My head canon is that Starfleet recognized the mistake a year later. Meanwhile the technical problems of the Odyssey class were resolved and the Enterprise-F got reactivated with everyone pretending the G incident never happened.
I like to believe the design principals that gave the Odyssey her shape were as result of what we found out in the TNG episode Force of Nature where warp fields were damaging sub space. In response Starfleet designers made there ships sleeker and more streamlined to reduce the impact on space itself caused by ships traveling around at high warp.
That is actually close to the lore of the Odyssey class. But in Star Trek Online the hull design was supposed to help with the slipstream drive allowing the class to keep slipstream active for longer than other Starfleet ships.
This mistreatment of the Enterprise F makes perfect sense for Picard season 3. The entire story arc is a self-indulgent mess, made so baby boomers can feel relevant and useful. "the young folks are too connected with each other and now they're all mindless drones!"..."we need the old guys again, they're the only ones who can save us and we should have listened to them all along!"..."all this change is actually bad, you see!". I'm honestly surprised Jonathan Frakes didn't just barrel the camera and say "these centennials don't have any work ethic." I mean they literally killed off THE NEXT GENERATION of the Enterprise just so they could replace it with a Constitution mark 3...a throwback model to what the viewer is supposed to feel is Starfleet's (read: Star Trek's) glory days.
The G is designed to appeal to the Old Trekkies who for them the original Enterprise (no, A, B,C, or D!) is the only real Enterprise for which all others are mere shadows. So narratively the F was designed to have the same fate as the Enterprise B, that of a humiliating footnote in the history of the name. So the Star Trek Online ship was used as a least effort design.
The G is designed to appeal to Terry Matalas. I mean I love and revere TOS and the TMP era, but for fuck's sake, we're supposed to keep it moving to the future. And the Neo-Constitution actually looks worse than the ship it's actually refitted from the Shangri-La class, which is BEAUTIFUL. Matalas is the one with the retro fetish. I get tired of everyone wanting to go back to the beginning like it's gonna make a difference. I never needed young Kirk, Spock, and McCoy in the Academy, I don't actually need a Starfleet Academy series, and what is "Star Trek Begins"? We've seen Zephram Cochrane and the NX-01 we know how this gets started.
@@fmlazar that's why Odyssy, class that looks like nice evolution from Sovereign (similar thing with Connie and Exelsior)was scraped to put Constitution made in in 2400 and everyone hates it but right we don't want new stuff.
1sr) the obsession with constantly getting a new Enterprise ever 3 movies or from show to show is beyond tiresome. 2nd) the idea renaming a legacy ship for another is stupid and just shouldn’t be done. 3rd) the idea that because the Big E-F had computer issues so they decided to scrap her is beyond stupid. Seriously they couldn’t simply, I don’t know, REMOVE THE DAMN COMPUTER!?!?!?!?!! They can rebuild the Enterprise D that crashed on a planet and was slapped together with left over parts but they couldn’t replace “critical systems “? Starfleet ships are basically plug and play so the choice to decommission a state of the art starship when apparently the fleet was in desperate need of ships is so mind boggling it still pisses me off.
The Enterprise F is my Enterprise I refused to accept the Titan A as anything but the Titan A. The production staff at Star Trek Picard had no clue what they were doing. The E should have been retiring.
They could have make the Stargazer A the Hero ship of season 3. She was much better looking than the Titan A and she would have had a connection to Picard
I remember the competition to design the next Enterprise for Star Trek Online, and the assurances given at that time that the winning design would be the official canon next Enterprise, so it was good to see it finally get a TV appearance to confirm that beyond doubt - as you say, what a thrill for the designer! Like many others here I also think it was a mistake to have it appear only to replace it with a much smaller and less powerful ship. The new Constitution class is a nice enough design (although I am struggling to like how the engineering hull looks from the front!) but there is no way I can see it as anything other than a downgrade from the Odyssey class. To have that as the Enterprise-G...nah! I think this was one of the few (possibly the only) mis-step in Picard S3!
to me the ideal way for season 3 to go is yes retire the Enterprise E in frontier day. she gets messed up. and instead of an immediately F the D gets refitted to the Galaxy X to serve for a while as the fleet rebuilds. then have the F show up around the STO timeline
I couldn't care less about the Enterprise-F in Picard in technology terms, but more narrative. The F should have been the E. That way you celebrate both TNG main ships by having the D come in and save the retiring E and then send them both to the museum. Then do the Titan renaming thing to F if you want. Matalas works backwards though from the Titan renaming and didn't want the E to overshadow the D's reappearance or have people wonder why it wasn't the main ship in the season, nor have to build more sets.
Considering that the Odyssey was for STO competition , about 10+ years past when first contact film was made , there’s no way that it could’ve been the E .
The only thing I hated about Picard season 3, was the Titan-A being renamed. The Enterprise title should have been passed from 1701-E to 1701-F at the end of the show.
I hate how "modern day" (or anti-trek) ruined the Enterprise-F and the rest of the Odyssey class ships. They were not even suppose to be commissoned untill around 2409, yet in the fake-cannon they were commissoned around the 2380's. Now I know alot of people are going to say " oh but that's star trek online lore", well to that I say " the Odyssey ships/lore
the whole picard series needs to be retconned. the uss Titan was done dirty, the uss titan a was done dirty, the enterprise f was done dirty. I like hte look of the neo con ( wont call it con III, it's size has more in common with the ambassador class, than the Constitution). Now I'd have no issue with a star trek legacy with 7 of 9 captaining a USS Picard named in honor of Admiral Jean -luc Picard with his and Beverly's s on stationed on the ship
Would’ve preferred Seven being given command of this ship instead of the renamed G. I like the Titan-A design overall but not for an Enterprise. It looks like a fairly solid kitbash. Especially when it’s supposedly following the elegant lines and curves of the D, E and F.
@@garrettbodwell61 It's gonna be pretty big too, nearly 11 inches long. It sucks that all of the ships in the collection will be "Nutrek" designs, I'd love to see some of the classics in this new scale, but I'll probably get this model and the Nu Stargazer, as that was one of the better designed ships.
Star Trek didn't ruin the Odyssey. It's as beautiful and well designed a ship and as worthy a successor to the Sovereign class as any ship could be. Abrams and Kurtzman did ruin Star Trek thoroughly though. Even Picard S3 couldn't salvage it anymore. Underutilizing the Odyssey Enterprise by unceremoniously retiring it for the horrible Neo-Constitution, which is a giant step backwards in almost every respect, but especially aesthetics, was a most egregious offense though. Unforgivable! The Odyssey is clearly a superior ship in every regard and much better suited for the role of deep space explorer/flagship. It deserves the extensive screentime due for a hero ship. Perhaps a new showrunner, trying to erase the mistakes of the current ones, will grant the Odyssey the honor and recognition it deserves.
Point of order: The comics aren't actually canon. In the event that somebody wants to do something onscreen that violates their continuity they'll just ignore them.
It took me almost a year to get used to the twin-neck design on the Odyssey. I wish Matalas wasn't so eager to throw the _F_ away. The Sovereign is still my favourite of the Enterprise designs, being a sleeker version of the original Connie that also looks way more balanced than the Galaxy. I'm glad Cryptic will not discard it so easily. Current _Trek_ does not have a great record for its treatment of legacy ship designs: they frequently get taken over, destroyed, or replaced before you can really enjoy them, leaving viewers only with the ones created for the respective show. I'd say the design I like most from the new set is the Parliament-class, but as it's a lockbox ship, I've never commanded one in _STO_ , so I don't know how it compares to the ones I have. Another of my favourites is the Manticore, a variant of the Chimera-class, which was also designed for the 'Design The Next Enterprise' contest. Cryptic didn't feel it could fit the bill as an _Enterprise_ , but kept it and used it for Nog's ship, which I really like. Nog was a great character, and I miss him.
I really wish we had seen more of this ship during Season 3 and not just in the last two episodes. Or hell even in Season 1 AND 3 would have been awesome.
2:17 The front is reinforce with Diburnium alloy , in case ( like the E it needs to ram something ) 6th generation starfleet vessels are in the process of incorporating it into there hulls .
My heart wants to think that the monfet-gambit was like the Adama-Maneuver, taking the Ent-F deep where its not supposed to go (because you have to) and then going to warp in that place you're not supposed to (because you have to)
one of my favorite ships in all of star trek but i am not a fan of how they treated the ship in canon i would be happier if they refited the f into the yorktown refit and i am looking forword to when fanhome produce a model in xl of the class
I'd ask for a science oriented Lexington sub variant as the canon refit. Make it similar but different so we can quickly tell the difference between the two refits.
Star Trek Pukehard Season 3 definetely ruined Enterprise legacy. With such an amazing ship such as Odyssey class Enterprise which is true meaning of Flagship, they replaced it with paltry pitiful excuse for a ship as Enterprise G....
The problem was that S3 of Picard focused far too heavily on 'member berries and they wanted that final scene in it with two girl-bosses in command of the next Enterprise rather than tell a coherent story. About the best I can say of that season was it wasn't shit, which is high praise given what came before and they really did the dirty on this ship. This is the hero ship a new non-Kurtzman show should have, and everything since 2008 retconned out of existence, including the abysmal Ent G. The show needs to be inspirational, set in a post-DS9 era and about exploration and this ship fits the bill perfectly. Like the D, the F can more than handle its own in combat but is primarily an exploration ship. Unfortunately with Skydance nothing is likely to change.
I love how Riker established that a character could just say no to Starfleet command and henceforth all officers in the quasi-military Starfleet can just 'choose' not to get promoted. "I like it where I am - I'm NOT going!" say that to your boss and see what happens .... Maybe Rikers story should have been that he'd been given a choice of commands and he HAD to take one (audience: oh no he's leaving the show?) but Locutus destroys them leaving Riker to stay on the Enterprise to keep an eye on the Captain... for now. Doesn't that sound a little more realistic? Instead we have musical chairs - then Data was offered and he refused, then Worf, then red shirt #5 CHAOS - there are lives at stake just slipping through the doors at Spacedock and you have your command staff just refusing an order to transfer between ships? "But Riker the Kiyushu needs you, their Captain fell ill and without a commander the ship will have to stay in port until we can find someone that agrees to go" (ironically saving 500 lives). Glad our militaries don't have this problem in this primitive era of human history.
We got gipped with the Titan-A being renamed Enterprise-G it was just a cheap ass move. They should have made the Eclipse class from STO the official Enterprise-G. Starfleet could have had it built and up and running in a year time span. I like the Vortex animation idea of the Enterprise-F going after Picard instead of that other ship. It definitely would have been a hell of a turn around. The whole Titan-A being renamed to Enterprise-G.... it's similar to seeing the Enterprise-A at the end of Star Trek Beyond and we haven't gotten a 4th movie to where we could properly get more of it... or the way how Stargate Universe ended.....I HATE THAT A LOT! Sorry I'm ranting....lol.
Why does it have a hole in the middle if they wanted it to be tough? It was going so well as the continuation of the Sovereign design... then they pulled an Oberth. What is the purpose of this hole? It's just a big structural weakness.
Star Trek Picard was a disagrace. Even Season 3. What they shamelessly did to the Enterprise-F, Shelby, Ro, hell even the Enterprises E and D. They were the neighbor's idiot kids playing with our precious toys, and they broke them all.
I really like the Odyssey-class. However, I think the ships are getting too big. The loss of just one Odyssey class would be a huge loss of resources. So, I can see ships of the class being "held back" from long range operations. Which is pretty much what they were designed for.
They also replaced the Titan, as commanded by Riker, with a throwback to the old Constitution class. Some insane admiral at Starfleet Command was clearly in nostalgia mode.
It wouldn’t have worked in any way in Picard s³. It couldn't have replaced the Intrepid, because it would be unrealistic that the Titan could've escape such a ship. It couldnt have been given to Seven, because a Flagship requies a preeminent crew, not a new untested captain with zero seniority.
Many said here already that the Titan A shouldnt have been renamed. Furthermore the Titan should have stayed the Titan and not become the Titan A. We did not see the original Titan in Nemesis, just on some book-covers. Then we finally are supposed to see the Titan in live action TV and then we get a weird version of the Constitution class instead. As if we havent seen the Constitution a million times already.
the enterprise F is far better looking than the enterprise G because not only is that thing kinda ugly it's also not exactly the toughest ship and it would've been nice if we got to see the F in a series
The struts completely ruin the oddyssey for me. Spend a minute thinking about everything that would have to run between those two struts. It's absurd. Andto get from the middle back ofthe saucer to the middle top of the secondary hull. The turbolift would have to go sidewaysto the strut, down the strut and then back to the middle. It's one of those annoyances that i just can't unsee. i would adore this ship if the saucer connected to the seconday hull like we see from most other starfleet ships.
I perfer it being cast off prematurely. It makes sense. This is the epitome of a flagship and sometimes you just end up with a lemon, even when at the top of the line. What DOESNT make sense is every ship named Enterprise always being a legendary ship even though being * A * flagship puts a big target on that ship. Sometimes as the C proves, a ship fails to live up to its pedigree (for what ever reason) I also like SF moving away from this capital ship model it was pushing toward. It was opening up way too much migration towards fighter ships which are antithetical to the formula of trek. Ultimately the ship is way too fat and as we all know. "Nobody wants the fat ones."
so along with most of the comments i tend to agree, it almost seems like paramount wanted to say yeah yeah fans designed the F heres your cudos, only to get rid of it. everything that they did with the F could have been the E, then introduce the F at the end and give it its glory flyby then end the show. i know that star trek is fantasy and all that, but they would never rename a ship, its seen as bad luck, ESPECIALLY a ship given a legacy registry! at the end i was like ok, they are putting jack on the F omg this is gonna be awesome, then they showed the titan, and had rechristened it. i was like WTF?!?! but the biggest slap in the face is just for paramount to wanna capitalize on any nostalgia, its not a new constitution class, we are shown in the show that the OG titan hung in the cap ready room, and we see it there plain as day, its a shang ri la class, so why would this ship, that barely looks like any form of connie at all be a constitution?
cop out writing led to this ship, that was well thought out, designed and appropriate in stature for that weak, ineffective renamed ship. terry and company took the easy way out. and now we have a franchise that keeps going backwards and adding enterprises for no good reason.
Star Blech: Puke-Hard isn't canon, so it may be safely dismissed by Star Trek fans as a VERY badly written holo-novel. Star Trek Online being a video game and itself non-canon, the point is moot.
You don't get to say what is canon, you don't own the property. But cannon has never been big thing save to Trekkies who never realised that Star Trek never held to any canon.
@@fmlazar Reality dictates what is and isn't canon. STD and its spinoffs, including Picard, aren't canon to Star Trek because they all take place in Jar jar Abrams' reboot continuity that doesn't take place in the actual Star trek universe. STO is a video game, not an official Star Trek production.
@@TheWilkReport The owner of the IP gets to dictate what is and isn't canon actually. What you do and don't like has no bearing on it to anyone except you.
@@philipmcfarlane No, the creator and the fans decide what's canon. Gene Roddenberry never would have approved the drivel now being shat out by CBS-Paramount, and no actual fan of Star Trek considers canon anything produced after 2002.
@@TheWilkReport 'Fans' derived from the word fanatics have no say in canon. Creator and copyright holders only I'm afraid per the definition. Anything else is just deluded, wishful thinking.
Had to be decommissioned because it was built to be serviced at Utopia Planitia. Decommissioning it allowed it's materials to be repurposed for new, smaller ships like the Duderstadt and Constitution III
I genuinely feel like I’m legitimately the only person who didn’t hate the Titan A being renamed the Enterprise G. I’m not gonna act like it was actually some genius move, but I don’t think it was the horrible thing that some people say it is.
Also, I don’t think it ruined this enterprise, since the original version of it, the one in Star Trek online, is still currently the main Enterprise in the story of that game. Though, I do think your ideas might have definitely improved the story in the show a bit.
The Titan already had a history though and was a legacy name at this point. The fact that there was a Titan-A is testimant to that. Renaming it another ship really was disrespectful for the Titan's crew and what they did. Also each variation of the Enterprise is suppose to be even more capable than the prior version. There's no way the Titan A even with upgrades, would be as capable as an Oddysey class of ship. From a logical standpoint, this was beyond stupid.
@@Wolf_Dominic Name one Enterprise variation, that was weaker than it's predecessor. From the original, to the refit, to A-G. Of all of them, which one wasn't more powerful than the previous version. Also, can you tell us when there has ever been a ship with a - Letter with a storied history that's been renamed to another ship altogether? There's speculation that the Yorktown became the Enterprise-A, but even if that were true, it wasn't a Legacy ship with a legendary status.
@@JustinStrife Thats not even the point of what I said. I said, the part I don’t agree with you on, is you saying it’s “beyond stupid”. No, I don’t think it’s beyond stupid, and I’m sticking to that. But, I will say, yes, consistently the next Enterprise is more advanced than the previous, but that doesn’t mean it always has to be that way. Is because being called Enterprise must mean the ship is the flagship? Cause it hasn’t always been that way.
I'm probably in the minority in that I find the Odyssey class to be an incredibly ugly ship, not as ugly as whatever the Enterprise-J was, but nowhere near comparable in style to the Sovereign or those of Enterprises past. I have no issues with Picard decommissioning the F in favour of the G.
I cannot understand, why the Enterprise F was tossed aside like that in ST: Picard. It is simply a disgrace. They should have let the Constitution stay dead and show the decommissioning of the Enterprise E, while the F being commissioned!
That's exactly what i've been thinking all this time
The problem is you have people running it who don't know ANYTHING about trek, and actually hate it, and hate the real fans.
I guess it should've been the E, but they wanted to include the F (for the Fans) but it feels really like a heavy downgrade from the F to the Neo-Connie.
@@toval76 because it is a huge downgrade from the Odyssey to the Titan A.
@@keru80101it was supposed to to be the USS Picard , but they changed it last minute idk who it was- but several people weren’t happy about it , but it was so last minute you couldn’t change it .
I say Picard did both the Titan-A and the Enterprise-F dirty.
In my opinion JJ Abrams, Kurtzman, Bad Robot & Secret Hideout has ruined everything Star Trek since 2009. And even though Star Trek Online has taken many of those things either because they had to or wanted to, I would take any of their original content as canon over anything the JJ verse has brought us.
The Odyssey class is a very pretty ship. While the winning sketch for 'Design the next Enterprise' had issues. Cryptic took that and really made a slick vessel. I didn't care for the duel neck at first, but it's really grown on me. It's criminal how they just retired it so they could shoe horn in the director's favorite Shangri-La class as the new Enterprise while simultaneously pooping all over the Titan.
@@Dracounguis hold on there son those remake star trek movies were fun because they admitted they were an alternate universe which ok thank you for owning it JJ. But STD is horrible and sucks prodigy is good picard season 3 is good I would have like to see the F re commissioned as the F and given to 7
@@Dracounguis Hold on just one second the 2009 Kelvin Enterprise is gorgeous! And the movie was pretty good , ok after that everything else sucked lol .
@jamescrandall6380 no way , thst ship sucks
Agreed. Titan was done dirty twice over.
@@hawkstringfellow if 2009 had been 100% alternate universe, ok. _(And they had to be bullied into saying it was an alternate universe. They first started saying the Narada coming back changed ALL these things in the timeline.)_ But they had to dip their toes in the Prime universe too and damage it... the stupid star exploding taking out Romulus light years away, red matter just existing, all the things wrong with a Romulan mining ship taking out a dozen starships... Just so many things that make no sense.
Yes! We should have seen the E retired at Frontier Day. Then the F should have been introduced. But they just introduced the F to give fans a view of the ship and tossed it aside. This was a very bad move, IMO.
It wasn't there because Worf broke it.
I love how everyone agrees that the Titan-A being renamed to Enterprise-G was such a bizarre move.
I enjoyed season 3 of Picard but hated what they did to this ship and the tiny, underpowered ship that took the name Enterprise. Titan should've remained Titan. Enterprise is supposed to be the flagship, state of the art ship. Enterprise-G is definitely NOT the top of the line.
@@TK-421_66 I dunno. The execlior was more state of the art than the Enterprise A. They eventually did decommision it but not after it had been old school for a few years.
@@smash461986 The A was a present to Kirk for saving the planet.
@@DisFantasy yeah this one instance it made sense. At one point Constitution and Constitution refit were both top of the line. Giving Kirk and his crew what was essentially their old ship back made a thousand percent more sense than renaming Titan to be Enterprise. Giving them what was once the Yorktown is similar to Sisko getting a replacement Defiant that was renamed Defiant. It feels correct. What happened at the end of PS3 was odd.
@@smash461986 The Excelsior class was still in testing at the time, (though behind the scenes giving them the Excelsior as the Enterprise-A was the plan for a minute), but it was only seven or eight years later that the Enterprise-B was indeed an Excelsior class. I don't think anyone watching Star Trek IV in theaters was disappointed to see another Connie waiting for them. But giving a new crew and old ship doesn't have the same emotional resonance.
Should've just named her the Picard and everyone would've been happy.
The neo-Constitution Enterprise G is too small and underpowered to be the Federation flagship!
In my canon the Ent G can’t cut it as a flagship, and is reverted back to the Titan, with the Odyssey Enterprise F being refit and recommissioned.
Not to mention straight up aesthetically inferior in every way! The Neo-Constitution even looks technologically backwards from the Odyssey. Like a lesser, older ship in every way.
@@axelhopfinger533 Yes. The Odyssey is clearly a design evolution of the classes that came before it; Galaxy, Sovereign, even elements of the Excelsior and Oberth in there.
The neo-connie is just some Hollywood ‘creatives’ excuse to design something new and avoid paying someone for prior art.
The retro revival ship aesthetic of Picard really pisses me off. LCARS look great, the interiors are good, but the exteriors are a total non-sequitur!
@@mikeward1701 I just generally hate the visual style of the entire Discovery era and Picard ships. They're just straight up ugly and primitive looking. unsophisticated.
I mean, you want to tell me that Starfleet still hasn't found a way to fabricate its starship hulls to such a precision and consistency that the hull plating panels all look smooth and even in texture? That they cannot use some surface treatment to make them not look like they're welded together from some cheap sheet metal?
The updated redesigns of these same ships from Star Trek Online are generally looking rather quite good though. Like Starfleet engineers finally got their act together and put some effort into the finish of their ships.
As much as I enjoyed Picard S3. The Titan-A has no business taking the name Enterprise. My head canon is that Starfleet recognized the mistake a year later. Meanwhile the technical problems of the Odyssey class were resolved and the Enterprise-F got reactivated with everyone pretending the G incident never happened.
I like to believe the design principals that gave the Odyssey her shape were as result of what we found out in the TNG episode Force of Nature where warp fields were damaging sub space. In response Starfleet designers made there ships sleeker and more streamlined to reduce the impact on space itself caused by ships traveling around at high warp.
That is actually close to the lore of the Odyssey class. But in Star Trek Online the hull design was supposed to help with the slipstream drive allowing the class to keep slipstream active for longer than other Starfleet ships.
This mistreatment of the Enterprise F makes perfect sense for Picard season 3. The entire story arc is a self-indulgent mess, made so baby boomers can feel relevant and useful. "the young folks are too connected with each other and now they're all mindless drones!"..."we need the old guys again, they're the only ones who can save us and we should have listened to them all along!"..."all this change is actually bad, you see!". I'm honestly surprised Jonathan Frakes didn't just barrel the camera and say "these centennials don't have any work ethic."
I mean they literally killed off THE NEXT GENERATION of the Enterprise just so they could replace it with a Constitution mark 3...a throwback model to what the viewer is supposed to feel is Starfleet's (read: Star Trek's) glory days.
The G is designed to appeal to the Old Trekkies who for them the original Enterprise (no, A, B,C, or D!) is the only real Enterprise for which all others are mere shadows. So narratively the F was designed to have the same fate as the Enterprise B, that of a humiliating footnote in the history of the name. So the Star Trek Online ship was used as a least effort design.
The G is designed to appeal to Terry Matalas. I mean I love and revere TOS and the TMP era, but for fuck's sake, we're supposed to keep it moving to the future. And the Neo-Constitution actually looks worse than the ship it's actually refitted from the Shangri-La class, which is BEAUTIFUL. Matalas is the one with the retro fetish. I get tired of everyone wanting to go back to the beginning like it's gonna make a difference. I never needed young Kirk, Spock, and McCoy in the Academy, I don't actually need a Starfleet Academy series, and what is "Star Trek Begins"? We've seen Zephram Cochrane and the NX-01 we know how this gets started.
@@3Rayfire The vast majority of Trekkies want nothing more than continual fan service of THEIR Trek. They don't want new and different.
@@fmlazar that's why Odyssy, class that looks like nice evolution from Sovereign (similar thing with Connie and Exelsior)was scraped to put Constitution made in in 2400 and everyone hates it but right we don't want new stuff.
1sr) the obsession with constantly getting a new Enterprise ever 3 movies or from show to show is beyond tiresome. 2nd) the idea renaming a legacy ship for another is stupid and just shouldn’t be done. 3rd) the idea that because the Big E-F had computer issues so they decided to scrap her is beyond stupid. Seriously they couldn’t simply, I don’t know, REMOVE THE DAMN COMPUTER!?!?!?!?!! They can rebuild the Enterprise D that crashed on a planet and was slapped together with left over parts but they couldn’t replace “critical systems “? Starfleet ships are basically plug and play so the choice to decommission a state of the art starship when apparently the fleet was in desperate need of ships is so mind boggling it still pisses me off.
The Enterprise F is my Enterprise I refused to accept the Titan A as anything but the Titan A. The production staff at Star Trek Picard had no clue what they were doing. The E should have been retiring.
They could have make the Stargazer A the Hero ship of season 3. She was much better looking than the Titan A and she would have had a connection to Picard
The Enterprise G should have been the Odyssey refit not the lame ass Neo constitution so disappointing!
I remember the competition to design the next Enterprise for Star Trek Online, and the assurances given at that time that the winning design would be the official canon next Enterprise, so it was good to see it finally get a TV appearance to confirm that beyond doubt - as you say, what a thrill for the designer!
Like many others here I also think it was a mistake to have it appear only to replace it with a much smaller and less powerful ship. The new Constitution class is a nice enough design (although I am struggling to like how the engineering hull looks from the front!) but there is no way I can see it as anything other than a downgrade from the Odyssey class. To have that as the Enterprise-G...nah! I think this was one of the few (possibly the only) mis-step in Picard S3!
to me the ideal way for season 3 to go is yes retire the Enterprise E in frontier day. she gets messed up. and instead of an immediately F the D gets refitted to the Galaxy X to serve for a while as the fleet rebuilds. then have the F show up around the STO timeline
I couldn't care less about the Enterprise-F in Picard in technology terms, but more narrative. The F should have been the E. That way you celebrate both TNG main ships by having the D come in and save the retiring E and then send them both to the museum. Then do the Titan renaming thing to F if you want. Matalas works backwards though from the Titan renaming and didn't want the E to overshadow the D's reappearance or have people wonder why it wasn't the main ship in the season, nor have to build more sets.
Considering that the Odyssey was for STO competition , about 10+ years past when first contact film was made , there’s no way that it could’ve been the E .
The G should have been named "USS Picard".
The only thing I hated about Picard season 3, was the Titan-A being renamed. The Enterprise title should have been passed from 1701-E to 1701-F at the end of the show.
I hate how "modern day" (or anti-trek) ruined the Enterprise-F and the rest of the Odyssey class ships. They were not even suppose to be commissoned untill around 2409, yet in the fake-cannon they were commissoned around the 2380's. Now I know alot of people are going to say " oh but that's star trek online lore", well to that I say " the Odyssey ships/lore
the whole picard series needs to be retconned. the uss Titan was done dirty, the uss titan a was done dirty, the enterprise f was done dirty. I like hte look of the neo con ( wont call it con III, it's size has more in common with the ambassador class, than the Constitution). Now I'd have no issue with a star trek legacy with 7 of 9 captaining a USS Picard named in honor of Admiral Jean -luc Picard with his and Beverly's s on stationed on the ship
Would’ve preferred Seven being given command of this ship instead of the renamed G. I like the Titan-A design overall but not for an Enterprise. It looks like a fairly solid kitbash. Especially when it’s supposedly following the elegant lines and curves of the D, E and F.
They did not Ruin the Odyssey Class they spit and took a dump on the name Enterprise
Fanhome is releasing a line of 20 starship models, and the Enterprise F is going to be issue 4 as an XL
@@garrettbodwell61 It's gonna be pretty big too, nearly 11 inches long. It sucks that all of the ships in the collection will be "Nutrek" designs, I'd love to see some of the classics in this new scale, but I'll probably get this model and the Nu Stargazer, as that was one of the better designed ships.
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I am looking forward to the USS Armstrong NCC-317856 and the NCC-1701-F XL version.
I've been playing STO since the closed beta, am a lifetime member, and of course, love my Odyssey Class. It's one of my ships I'll never get rid of.
Star Trek didn't ruin the Odyssey. It's as beautiful and well designed a ship and as worthy a successor to the Sovereign class as any ship could be. Abrams and Kurtzman did ruin Star Trek thoroughly though. Even Picard S3 couldn't salvage it anymore.
Underutilizing the Odyssey Enterprise by unceremoniously retiring it for the horrible Neo-Constitution, which is a giant step backwards in almost every respect, but especially aesthetics, was a most egregious offense though. Unforgivable!
The Odyssey is clearly a superior ship in every regard and much better suited for the role of deep space explorer/flagship. It deserves the extensive screentime due for a hero ship.
Perhaps a new showrunner, trying to erase the mistakes of the current ones, will grant the Odyssey the honor and recognition it deserves.
Point of order: The comics aren't actually canon. In the event that somebody wants to do something onscreen that violates their continuity they'll just ignore them.
It took me almost a year to get used to the twin-neck design on the Odyssey. I wish Matalas wasn't so eager to throw the _F_ away. The Sovereign is still my favourite of the Enterprise designs, being a sleeker version of the original Connie that also looks way more balanced than the Galaxy. I'm glad Cryptic will not discard it so easily.
Current _Trek_ does not have a great record for its treatment of legacy ship designs: they frequently get taken over, destroyed, or replaced before you can really enjoy them, leaving viewers only with the ones created for the respective show. I'd say the design I like most from the new set is the Parliament-class, but as it's a lockbox ship, I've never commanded one in _STO_ , so I don't know how it compares to the ones I have. Another of my favourites is the Manticore, a variant of the Chimera-class, which was also designed for the 'Design The Next Enterprise' contest. Cryptic didn't feel it could fit the bill as an _Enterprise_ , but kept it and used it for Nog's ship, which I really like. Nog was a great character, and I miss him.
Like has been said before, they did both the Enterprise-F and the Titan-A dirty. One of the few Ls of Picard S3.
I really wish we had seen more of this ship during Season 3 and not just in the last two episodes. Or hell even in Season 1 AND 3 would have been awesome.
2:17 The front is reinforce with Diburnium alloy , in case ( like the E it needs to ram something ) 6th generation starfleet vessels are in the process of incorporating it into there hulls .
The Enterprise F is the most beautiful, perfectly balanced Enterprise to date. The Odyssey class is very worthy of the name Enterprise.
My heart wants to think that the monfet-gambit was like the Adama-Maneuver, taking the Ent-F deep where its not supposed to go (because you have to) and then going to warp in that place you're not supposed to (because you have to)
Wow thats a really old video you used. Thanks for the shoutout though!
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one of my favorite ships in all of star trek but i am not a fan of how they treated the ship in canon i would be happier if they refited the f into the yorktown refit and i am looking forword to when fanhome produce a model in xl of the class
I'd ask for a science oriented Lexington sub variant as the canon refit. Make it similar but different so we can quickly tell the difference between the two refits.
Star Trek Pukehard Season 3 definetely ruined Enterprise legacy. With such an amazing ship such as Odyssey class Enterprise which is true meaning of Flagship, they replaced it with paltry pitiful excuse for a ship as Enterprise G....
The problem was that S3 of Picard focused far too heavily on 'member berries and they wanted that final scene in it with two girl-bosses in command of the next Enterprise rather than tell a coherent story. About the best I can say of that season was it wasn't shit, which is high praise given what came before and they really did the dirty on this ship. This is the hero ship a new non-Kurtzman show should have, and everything since 2008 retconned out of existence, including the abysmal Ent G. The show needs to be inspirational, set in a post-DS9 era and about exploration and this ship fits the bill perfectly. Like the D, the F can more than handle its own in combat but is primarily an exploration ship. Unfortunately with Skydance nothing is likely to change.
I love how Riker established that a character could just say no to Starfleet command and henceforth all officers in the quasi-military Starfleet can just 'choose' not to get promoted.
"I like it where I am - I'm NOT going!" say that to your boss and see what happens ....
Maybe Rikers story should have been that he'd been given a choice of commands and he HAD to take one (audience: oh no he's leaving the show?) but Locutus destroys them leaving Riker to stay on the Enterprise to keep an eye on the Captain... for now. Doesn't that sound a little more realistic? Instead we have musical chairs - then Data was offered and he refused, then Worf, then red shirt #5
CHAOS - there are lives at stake just slipping through the doors at Spacedock and you have your command staff just refusing an order to transfer between ships?
"But Riker the Kiyushu needs you, their Captain fell ill and without a commander the ship will have to stay in port until we can find someone that agrees to go" (ironically saving 500 lives).
Glad our militaries don't have this problem in this primitive era of human history.
We got gipped with the Titan-A being renamed Enterprise-G it was just a cheap ass move. They should have made the Eclipse class from STO the official Enterprise-G. Starfleet could have had it built and up and running in a year time span.
I like the Vortex animation idea of the Enterprise-F going after Picard instead of that other ship. It definitely would have been a hell of a turn around. The whole Titan-A being renamed to Enterprise-G.... it's similar to seeing the Enterprise-A at the end of Star Trek Beyond and we haven't gotten a 4th movie to where we could properly get more of it... or the way how Stargate Universe ended.....I HATE THAT A LOT! Sorry I'm ranting....lol.
Why does it have a hole in the middle if they wanted it to be tough? It was going so well as the continuation of the Sovereign design... then they pulled an Oberth. What is the purpose of this hole? It's just a big structural weakness.
Star Trek Picard was a disagrace. Even Season 3. What they shamelessly did to the Enterprise-F, Shelby, Ro, hell even the Enterprises E and D. They were the neighbor's idiot kids playing with our precious toys, and they broke them all.
I really like the Odyssey-class. However, I think the ships are getting too big. The loss of just one Odyssey class would be a huge loss of resources. So, I can see ships of the class being "held back" from long range operations. Which is pretty much what they were designed for.
Except a ship of that size has all the capabilities for a long range operation.
They also replaced the Titan, as commanded by Riker, with a throwback to the old Constitution class. Some insane admiral at Starfleet Command was clearly in nostalgia mode.
I reject the Titan becoming the new Enterproise. As far as I'm concerned there is NO 1701-G.
It wouldn’t have worked in any way in Picard s³.
It couldn't have replaced the Intrepid, because it would be unrealistic that the Titan could've escape such a ship.
It couldnt have been given to Seven, because a Flagship requies a preeminent crew, not a new untested captain with zero seniority.
Many said here already that the Titan A shouldnt have been renamed. Furthermore the Titan should have stayed the Titan and not become the Titan A. We did not see the original Titan in Nemesis, just on some book-covers. Then we finally are supposed to see the Titan in live action TV and then we get a weird version of the Constitution class instead. As if we havent seen the Constitution a million times already.
the enterprise F is far better looking than the enterprise G because not only is that thing kinda ugly it's also not exactly the toughest ship and it would've been nice if we got to see the F in a series
Why arent captain's uniforms armoured against phaser fire? Shelby doesn't even flinch. Could she be alive or would they have just fired some more?
of course we don't really know how long the enterprise f was in service. it could have been in sevice for quite awhile.
Hey man, I'm just happy it's canon.
I'm glad too!
The struts completely ruin the oddyssey for me. Spend a minute thinking about everything that would have to run between those two struts. It's absurd. Andto get from the middle back ofthe saucer to the middle top of the secondary hull. The turbolift would have to go sidewaysto the strut, down the strut and then back to the middle. It's one of those annoyances that i just can't unsee. i would adore this ship if the saucer connected to the seconday hull like we see from most other starfleet ships.
At least the struts aren't the thin piece of nonsense of the Oberth class. I loved the Odyssey because it reminded me of Star Ocean.
I perfer it being cast off prematurely. It makes sense. This is the epitome of a flagship and sometimes you just end up with a lemon, even when at the top of the line. What DOESNT make sense is every ship named Enterprise always being a legendary ship even though being * A * flagship puts a big target on that ship. Sometimes as the C proves, a ship fails to live up to its pedigree (for what ever reason)
I also like SF moving away from this capital ship model it was pushing toward. It was opening up way too much migration towards fighter ships which are antithetical to the formula of trek.
Ultimately the ship is way too fat and as we all know. "Nobody wants the fat ones."
so along with most of the comments i tend to agree, it almost seems like paramount wanted to say yeah yeah fans designed the F heres your cudos, only to get rid of it. everything that they did with the F could have been the E, then introduce the F at the end and give it its glory flyby then end the show. i know that star trek is fantasy and all that, but they would never rename a ship, its seen as bad luck, ESPECIALLY a ship given a legacy registry! at the end i was like ok, they are putting jack on the F omg this is gonna be awesome, then they showed the titan, and had rechristened it. i was like WTF?!?! but the biggest slap in the face is just for paramount to wanna capitalize on any nostalgia, its not a new constitution class, we are shown in the show that the OG titan hung in the cap ready room, and we see it there plain as day, its a shang ri la class, so why would this ship, that barely looks like any form of connie at all be a constitution?
I fell in love with Oddysy moment she came out in STO (my first C store ship ever). How she was basterdised should be criminal.
nah bad reboot didnt ruin odyssey, since nobody watched it, it didnt happen.
cop out writing led to this ship, that was well thought out, designed and appropriate in stature for that weak, ineffective renamed ship. terry and company took the easy way out. and now we have a franchise that keeps going backwards and adding enterprises for no good reason.
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Star Blech: Puke-Hard isn't canon, so it may be safely dismissed by Star Trek fans as a VERY badly written holo-novel. Star Trek Online being a video game and itself non-canon, the point is moot.
You don't get to say what is canon, you don't own the property. But cannon has never been big thing save to Trekkies who never realised that Star Trek never held to any canon.
@@fmlazar Reality dictates what is and isn't canon. STD and its spinoffs, including Picard, aren't canon to Star Trek because they all take place in Jar jar Abrams' reboot continuity that doesn't take place in the actual Star trek universe. STO is a video game, not an official Star Trek production.
@@TheWilkReport The owner of the IP gets to dictate what is and isn't canon actually. What you do and don't like has no bearing on it to anyone except you.
@@philipmcfarlane No, the creator and the fans decide what's canon. Gene Roddenberry never would have approved the drivel now being shat out by CBS-Paramount, and no actual fan of Star Trek considers canon anything produced after 2002.
@@TheWilkReport 'Fans' derived from the word fanatics have no say in canon. Creator and copyright holders only I'm afraid per the definition. Anything else is just deluded, wishful thinking.
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Star Trek didnt fail the Titan or the Enterprise-F, Nu Trek: The ADD Generation did. 😆
No they peaked with the Enterprise-E design, E is definitely the best looking don't care for F, G J
A beautiful designed swept away lile trash to satisfy some production bigshots ego
my opinion? Yes they ruined it
I don't understand why they rentment 😮
Jealousy most likely.
I dislike hole in the middle and doesn't and it doesn't look good in profile
60 decks?
Looks like a spudger
いずれにしろ、私としては惑星連邦所属全ての船のプラモ、統一スケールで発売してほしいです。
They should have remodeled the Enterprise-D and put a G on the hull.
Had to be decommissioned because it was built to be serviced at Utopia Planitia. Decommissioning it allowed it's materials to be repurposed for new, smaller ships like the Duderstadt and Constitution III
I genuinely feel like I’m legitimately the only person who didn’t hate the Titan A being renamed the Enterprise G. I’m not gonna act like it was actually some genius move, but I don’t think it was the horrible thing that some people say it is.
Also, I don’t think it ruined this enterprise, since the original version of it, the one in Star Trek online, is still currently the main Enterprise in the story of that game. Though, I do think your ideas might have definitely improved the story in the show a bit.
The Titan already had a history though and was a legacy name at this point. The fact that there was a Titan-A is testimant to that. Renaming it another ship really was disrespectful for the Titan's crew and what they did. Also each variation of the Enterprise is suppose to be even more capable than the prior version. There's no way the Titan A even with upgrades, would be as capable as an Oddysey class of ship. From a logical standpoint, this was beyond stupid.
@@JustinStrifeYou make good points, but I’m not sure I can agree with it being “beyond stupid.”
@@Wolf_Dominic Name one Enterprise variation, that was weaker than it's predecessor. From the original, to the refit, to A-G. Of all of them, which one wasn't more powerful than the previous version.
Also, can you tell us when there has ever been a ship with a - Letter with a storied history that's been renamed to another ship altogether?
There's speculation that the Yorktown became the Enterprise-A, but even if that were true, it wasn't a Legacy ship with a legendary status.
@@JustinStrife Thats not even the point of what I said. I said, the part I don’t agree with you on, is you saying it’s “beyond stupid”. No, I don’t think it’s beyond stupid, and I’m sticking to that.
But, I will say, yes, consistently the next Enterprise is more advanced than the previous, but that doesn’t mean it always has to be that way. Is because being called Enterprise must mean the ship is the flagship? Cause it hasn’t always been that way.
I'm probably in the minority in that I find the Odyssey class to be an incredibly ugly ship, not as ugly as whatever the Enterprise-J was, but nowhere near comparable in style to the Sovereign or those of Enterprises past. I have no issues with Picard decommissioning the F in favour of the G.
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