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after debating for months between a 250 or 300, i just couldnt justify the $7300+ out the door for a new 300 (tax, title, lic, dest, setup, doc fees). instead I found a beauty 17 CRF250L ABS with an EJK tuner, a full FMF exhaust, new rubber, with only 3K miles, and like showroom new condition. i stole it for $4300. i put another $800 in it for the suspension and shes PERFECT! so total...$5100. the 300 needs all the same stuff (tires, tuner, pipe, suspension)....about $9000 all said and done. the 50cc's (and its really only 37cc) isnt worth 4 grand. the best part about the 300 is everybody dumping their 250 for a steal.
Great beginner bike! I've been riding 2 wheeled vehicles 55years & its great for us old timers too! The softer suspension keeps the bones from rattling!
It's funny you say that I find a lot of older riders prefer this bike because of it's weight and suspension. A lot of people go to a 300L from a KLR650 ect.
In Connecticut USA you can't find either of these bikes - new or used. Last week I went to New Jersey, (thanks Edward! at that shop in Hamburg NJ) & picked up a 250L that had been traded in. Only 200 miles on the odo, hasn't had it's first oil change yet. The title came in today's mail, so should be on the road tomorrow! In two miles riding in my back yard, I determined that my 66 year old butt is going to like the soft suspension.
@@tacknup I have an Iron Butt! (JK) The previous owner installed one, but it's purpose is to lower the height, so I don't think it's achieving what you suggested. Compared to the original seat, mine is thinner. So far, in 2 days I've only put 60 miles on it. Loving it so far!
Been riding since 11 years old. 65 now and bought a CRF300L back in 2021. Great bike for the money. Had a DR 650 in the past. I liked the grunt, but it was top heavy. The 300L is so much more manageable. I do have a couple Harley’s for the street riding. Ride safe brother!
Good video, I have just ridden my 250 rally from the U.K. to Cape Town via the west coast of Africa it’s an awesome little budget bike, upgraded the suspension to hyperpro fron and rear, fitted a camel tank, and Pirelli Mt 21s, it done the job well, glad I didn’t take me 1190
I just picked up my CRF300L on Friday. I was lucky enough to find a dealer close by who had one. I still had to drive 3hrs to get it but I think it was worth it. The only problem is there is still too much snow on the ground here and I am playing the waiting game. Watching your videos all the time just to try and ease the itch to ride lol. I traded my CRF250F trail bike for this because I wanted more versatility. I can't wait to give this a good try! Thanks for the awesome vids sir!
I upgraded from a 1993 XR250L to a 2021 CRF300L. Talk about stepping into the future! I love both bikes. Nice review. I'm glad I waited until the 300 came out, because if I bought the CRF250L, I'd likely not have bought the 300.
I did almost the same thing, upgraded from a 1992 XR250L to a 2017 CRF250 Rally. Best decision I could've made. Probably should have waited for the 300 tho!
Thank you for this review, as I was very curious about how they would compare. I currently own a 2014 250L and aside from the extremely uncomfortable, stock seat, I have no complaints. I purchased a Seat Concepts low comfort seat, since I'm 5' 4", and it made it so much better. I do mostly back roads, dirt and gravel roads, but not too many trails as we don't have them available close by. Wish we did as that's what I grew up riding on
Excellent comparison video. I bought a slightly used 250L this past January and I like it. I’ll probably end up with a 300L eventually, because everything I hear or read about the improvements over the 250 makes me think it would be a better bike for me. I look forward to more videos. New sub.
Was thinking of getting a 300L but just got a 2015 CRF250L with only 3,000 miles on it for £3,000 just couldn't see the point paying extra £2,000 for 300L. And 250L feels so light after my BMW G650GS SERTAO.
Thanks for the comparison. I own a CRF300L Rally and I love it. I just came back from the Giant loop ride in South East Oregon USA and the bike road like a dream on and off road. I was able to cruise on the highway at 65 to 70 with out any problem at all. Off road this bike is just as good as you have said. Great bike!
@@MotorcyclesOffroad I've owned a couple wr250r's and I love them but for the price I can buy a new 300l for a used wr and I want to try something different
The review I have been waiting for… thanks mate. As a CRF250L owner, love that bike once you make a few changes. Putting specs aside. In the real world the CRF300L works well due to the sum of it’s parts. Only problem with it is Honda and lack of supply. Well at least here in Oz. If they can sort that it may get more of a following. For me my goal is to get hold of the new Yamie T7. Also hard to source. I would be keen to hear your honest review of it. Cheers 🍻
Excellent video and comparison. Had a 2013 250L for 5 years. Added several mods. Didn’t like the 5 speed tranny but I learned to use it. Bought a Bonneville T120 for a replacement. Been missing off roading ever since. Am considering the 300L now. Also looking at the Ducati Desert Sled, but that’s a different animal. Your video has helped a lot! Thanks Daniel.
The 300L and 450RL are 2 completely different bikes here is some things to consider. The 300 is better in tight single, the 450 is terrible at this, it has huge flame out issues. But the 450 is much faster in open areas. the seat height of the 300L is 35" the 450RL is 2" taller. The 450RL has much better suspension for heavy offroad conditions. MSRP for the 300L is $5,249 MSRP for the 450RL is $9,999 Oil changed on the 450RL is every 600 miles on the 300L every 8,000miles. Valves on the 450RL ever 1800 miles on the 300L 15,000 miles.
This review was tremendously helpful man. I have been looking at getting rid of my ZX10R and getting another dual sport and have been having a hard time deciding which one to get. I have always loved Hondas because I feel they are some of the most reliable bikes ever made. I thought about getting the Crf450RL but then realized that seems to be mostly just a dirtbike motor with a street legal setup (I mean what other street legal bike has 800 mile oil changes??) I think the CRF300L might be the sweet spot for me in terms of reliability, road use, and offroad use. Thanks for the great review man, you get a sub from me!
@@MotorcyclesOffroad Another thing I didn't know until I saw your review was that the 300l is only 308 LBS. That surely means with just a few mods you can get it below 300 LBS which is pretty crazy! Cant wait to get one and start modding it myself.
I really appreciate this video. I bought a crf250l last year and have really enjoyed it. I’m going to keep it for my kids, but you made a great argument for the 300. I will be going to my local Honda dealer next week. Thanks so much.
I will just put .02 down right here, I had not been on 2 wheels in the dirt in over 10 years, while I have a street bike and quad, I hopped on that 300l of his here, the weekend this video was shot actually, I felt like I didn't miss a beat on that bike. 180lbs here suspension felt great to me, was pleasantly surprise on how linear the power was on it and how easily you can corner it in the dirt..
Love this video setup/ breakdown... I want my first bike.. but I want to have a dual sport so on my way home if I want to explore.. I can and so I still have the freedom of the motorcycle life 😍 I think I'm between a drz and this crf300..
Great video. Bought one today... great ride home on it. In the UK... so not as may accessorises as you guys, but I will probably weld up some racks and panniers (in aluminium). Again, great video, thanks for putting in so much effort, it was very entertaining.
Been doing a lot of research to figure out what my first motorcycle is going to be. Thanks (in part) to this video , I'm pretty set on the 300L. I'm also 6'4" 230 and interested in upgrades that could benefit my size. (Suspension) Probably mostly running this as a commuter bike during the week and weekend trail riding. I live in Florida so, nothing too mountainous.
I put a 49t on my rear but I am also running a taller tire. So it would be the same a dropping on in the front and adding 3 to the rear if you math'ed it all out.
I’ve got 2018 CRF250L and installed 13T front sprocket. Much better bike now. Also tried with 42T on rear but found it robbed too much from the top end when scooting between off-road sections. Also installed 12 oclocklabs DRD speedo correction unit. Correction was -11.7%. Bang on now. I have also installed 12oclocklabs gear position indicator. Works well along with LED headlight and indicators using 12oclocklabs fixed rate flasher.
Great comparison. I really appreciate it because I’m pretty focused in on the 300 rally. In fact I’ve got a deposit on a new one in a town about three hours away. But, a lightly used to 250 rally (less than 500 miles on it) just popped up for almost half the price at another town up north. If I can get the 250, I’ll probably go for it, and modify it if I feel the need. Your videos have been really helpful. Thanks! 👍
My 250 is hitting 87 mph. Smooth. Full race tech suspension 13-40 gears. 14" Dan moto carbon pipe with jdk fuel mapping. Tires are 120 100 18 and 90 90 21 knobbys. O-60 is 6 flat. No bullshiit. Bro. Swear to God bro.
Haha of course. I grew up here when Imperial system is intuitive to me but I have a lot of people watching around the world. 38% of my audience in not from my home country.
I've ridden both of the rally's in stock form the 300 just felt like a refined 250 it didn't blow my 🧦 off they both struggle on the 🛣️ especially where I live in Phoenix the suspension is still EXTREMELY soft the 286 motor feels nice for what it is but I don't feel that it's as much of a gain as it would be if they put something like a 305cc or something a significant jump with a whole new motor would b so nice. I just want to see Honda jump ahead of the competition rather than always be lagging behind a little bit. I give it to him they're not lagging behind and reliability or anything like that but it would just be nice cuz I kno they're capable of it... (MORE) 🏍️💨💯👍👍
I'd like a smaller bike, but at 320lb I might as well stick with my 320lb KTM 625. same weight with loads more power. might look at a crf250f instead for a more trail orientated bike I could ride on the road every once in a while.
Thanks for the most informative vid. I was talking to a Honda dealer few days ago, I almost put some money down to order a 2022 cfr250F, liked it cause it weighs only 260 lbs, and 34 inch seat height, No one has a 250F in Arizona, and eta at dealer maybe Jan 2022. (Covid delays). Just not 100% sure if the F was for me, ( as a novice senior trail rider). This video made me think maybe the 300L will do just fine. The only issue I might have is the weight. I will look into it , maybe you can share some advise. Thanks
my fist bike was a 1984 honda XL250S 4 Strock ,now i have a 2020 CRF 250L black with red pin striping i also am 5'4 had to lower the swing arm for the feet to touch the ground if you change the front drive sprocket one tooth and back sprocket down 2-4 teeth for long distances
I currently own a Honda XR 650l and am upgrading to a newer and smaller model Honda. At first, I was looking at the Honda crf450, but they wanted $10,000 for it,so this crf300 might be the one I get. I want a bike that's easier to maneuver and wheelie.
Thanks for the excellent video... the thing that baffles me is that you said 300L has shorter low gears compared to 250L, yet engine has longer stroke/torque. As I understand, it is more convenient to have a lot of low end torque off-road so that you can stay in same gear longer (play with throttle) while dealing with ups and downs of the the track (Tenere 700 for instance), yet shorter low gears would mean you are forced to shift more frequently. These two design changes in 300L seem contradictory for off-road situations...am I missing a point here?
@@MotorcyclesOffroad only about to purchase a small ADV bike so not sure yet but assume 50/50 road- terrain (still struggling between CRF/ BMW 310 GS and KTM 390 Adventure). Perhaps you can make an entire video about tires topic? :)
How's this for transition ... or perhaps evolution - I taught my boy to ride (and me to relearn after 25 years outta the saddle!!) on a 230L, then a low mileage 2nd hand 250L, and now to a brand new 300L. We love all of em, and cannot bring ourselves to part with any!! ❤❤ 😂
You're doing some great vids on the 300L. Standing up unfortunately doesn't make your weight unspung though... unless you have attached some footpegs to your rear axel/swingarm 😀
Damn maybe I used the wrong terminology. What I meant to say is I'm not sitting on the bike and I'm using my legs as suspension and allowing the bike to move freely.
Absolutely.. you've removed the negative feedback loop between your body and the chassis over rough ground. It's one of the first things a good offroad instructor teaches. Sometimes people also think standing lowers the COG (which is doesn't). Being seated in certain situations though is also correct technique.
Great video! On the 300L do you find yourself shifting more frequently on single track or technical terrain compared to the 250L? Rockey Mountains Rider
Hi Andrew , you do a great show , living down under here in Australia still waiting for my 300 to turn up it’s been about four months now 😩 when it does turn up what’s the best 50-50 tire should I put on it.
@@T1000.Android shit really? My dealer told me the bikes arrived and were at the dock in Australia but they required an ABS part before they could be shipped. He also said they have no update on Wednesday when I called
Hey man, firstly thanks for the support! A few videos back I shouted out the Aus guys because im getting so many views from down there. So when It comes to a 50/50 I have been messing around with a Bridgestone Battlax. This is on my adventure bike (Tenere 700) I run 10/90 on my dual sports since they mostly see offroad and sand where I live. How much time do you spend on the hard road? I have also had a ton of luck with the pirelli mt16 front and michillen StarCross 5 (replaced the AC10 I believe)
Andrew, question, on my CRF300L, I bent my gear and brake pedals this weekend, and wondering whether the 250 pedals are the same? Trying to source some replacements if I can't bend them back to my liking. Thanks.
With an aftermarket upgrades of my 2013 crf250L, installing an EJK, Q4 FMF exhaust and mega bomb exhaust pipe, K&N airfilter, with 14 & 45 sprocket, YSS rear shock, I don't think so the new 300l can beat my upgraded 250l, I have encountered stock 300l in the road but they are just left behind with jps measurement my 250L can reach a top speed of 150 km/hr. I don't know with an upgraded 300L how much maximum speed can attain.
Yeah I mean it sounds like you have a really nice 250l. The real thing is tho that all that done to the 300L makes it much better. It has a much higher ceiling and is a bit lighter on top of it. When you ride them back to it feels a good deal lighter particularly in the front end. Funny part is I was just on a 250l this week lol. So it's cool to read a comment on thos video today.
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What do you think of the abs feature on this bike? Will it get in the way when trail riding? I have a hard time deciding if it’s worth it. Also how much improvement in terms of power delivery do you get from the rs4? I had it on my 250l and it cleaned up the flat spot at lower rpms
@@thomasr7552 so the ABS is great. You can turn it off with just a quick button push. The Yoshimura pipe really changes the bike. I did a whole video about the exhaust then I did a couple videos with the exhaust after the ECU.
@@MotorcyclesOffroad thanks, good to know the abs does not get in the way when trail riding. I had a 2017 250l with the rs 4 exhaust and it was amazing the change in throttle response. I had the race tech full suspension upgrade on mine as well. Did you get a fuel programmer or just get the 550 ecu upgrade?
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@@tajima_uchiha_4568 awesome thanks for the feedback. I try to do all my reviews broken down like this because a bike can be stronger in one area then another but people ultimately decide what is more useful in their situation.
235 lb you're a big boy that's cool that you get to test out the suspension with your weight somebody like my skinny ass weighing 165lbs maybe 175lbs carrying my gun & gear & bullshit lol... I really want to try out the 300 I love my 250 but would still like to try the 300 4 shits & giggles lol
Currently thinking about either buying a used, well taken care of low mile 2017 250l for 4500€ in germany or wait and trade in my versys 650 for a 300L... i want to turn it into a supermoto. In germany we can get a 12 liter fuel tank for the 250L thats in my opinion a big bonus.... i cant decide.
You can always tell dual sport riders who are on asphalt more than dirt. Always sitting on their butt. Very rarely on the pegs where you have so much more control of the bike.
I’ve put my 300L up for sale in Aus. Here they can impound if I’m caught riding on road. 7000km on it and being honest I don’t want to sell it but as i couldn’t get protection parts in March it pisses me off seeing small marks because of no bash plate or frame guards etc. I’m short and that didn’t help confidence (now lowering parts out)
I just got my Honda crf250l and during the school year it’s my main transportation to and from school very little time to go off-road Ig meaning I’m riding a lot on pavement. But during the summer time and some times on the weekends I take it into some public fire trails where dirt bikes have just carved i into good riding trails. I’m looking for a tire that’s good at in road but can handle mud and dirt easily. Any suggestions
I have a separate whole ECU flashed for the exhaust, high octane, and intake. I did not use it in the comparison, I have a stock and a flashed one. I'm going to have a video on the ECU up within the next couple of weeks. Just have a ton of other stuff on my schedule.
Andrew please share your source for the remapped ECU. I just installed a Moto-X exhaust on the 300L and I have an EJK ordered. I’ve had the same exhaust on the Rally since May without fuel changes without any issues but I’d really like to have the timing advanced for 93 octane. The Moto-X has been flawless so far and weighs 7 pounds less than the stock pipe and can.
How much lead time is there to get a 300L? I haven’t seen any for sale in my area. Most of the used 250L’s seem to be pretty close to the price of just ordering a new 300L so I would lean towards new unless there was a good deal.
In that case I would put a reservation ($100) on a 300L on the dealer and plan to have it by next riding season. I had my reserved at March and got it in just but that's just because that when they got it, it's not like you can order it to come to you. You just get them when they have them come in.
Honda can have their time until Yamaha drops WRR's 300cc replacement. If they can be as good as 310 big bore kit, better valving on shock, and keep subframe bolted (looking at you, Honda) yikes RIP honda and kawasaki
I just did a video about a new WR (mini tenere I called it) but I dont think a new yamaha would effect hondas say so much. I say this because in my research the WR250 wasnt a really sought after bike. When you look at sites like Kellyblue book and other places people use as resources that bike was not on the map as all. I think the major issue for people is the price tag. The WR250 was already like $1400 more then the CRF300L, one would think it may creep up a little more with a new redesign. Not to say a 300cc WR will not sell well, it may but I dont know if I agree it is the same audance as the people who want a cheaper bike. As it stands the 300L is a bargain for all it offers and it will be a hard sell for the majority of dual sporters to pay a premium for a bike that will do everything the same. 4 out of 5 dual sporters riders will be just fine with the 300L. As for me I will definitely be getting the next Yamaha, part of which I talk about in this video: th-cam.com/video/5oVIiIQGtnE/w-d-xo.html
A lot different, especially when you ride them side by side. This is also coming from the 250L owner and myself, also everyone in my riding group now that I think of it.
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after debating for months between a 250 or 300, i just couldnt justify the $7300+ out the door for a new 300 (tax, title, lic, dest, setup, doc fees). instead I found a beauty 17 CRF250L ABS with an EJK tuner, a full FMF exhaust, new rubber, with only 3K miles, and like showroom new condition. i stole it for $4300. i put another $800 in it for the suspension and shes PERFECT! so total...$5100.
the 300 needs all the same stuff (tires, tuner, pipe, suspension)....about $9000 all said and done.
the 50cc's (and its really only 37cc) isnt worth 4 grand. the best part about the 300 is everybody dumping their 250 for a steal.
Great beginner bike! I've been riding 2 wheeled vehicles 55years & its great for us old timers too! The softer suspension keeps the bones from rattling!
It's funny you say that I find a lot of older riders prefer this bike because of it's weight and suspension. A lot of people go to a 300L from a KLR650 ect.
In Connecticut USA you can't find either of these bikes - new or used. Last week I went to New Jersey, (thanks Edward! at that shop in Hamburg NJ) & picked up a 250L that had been traded in. Only 200 miles on the odo, hasn't had it's first oil change yet. The title came in today's mail, so should be on the road tomorrow!
In two miles riding in my back yard, I determined that my 66 year old butt is going to like the soft suspension.
@@savage22bolt32 haha well congrats in the basically brand new bike man!
@@savage22bolt32 I can highly recommend replacing the stock seat with a Seat Concepts one. Wider and cushier
@@tacknup I have an Iron Butt! (JK)
The previous owner installed one, but it's purpose is to lower the height, so I don't think it's achieving what you suggested. Compared to the original seat, mine is thinner.
So far, in 2 days I've only put 60 miles on it. Loving it so far!
Been riding since 11 years old. 65 now and bought a CRF300L back in 2021. Great bike for the money. Had a DR 650 in the past. I liked the grunt, but it was top heavy. The 300L is so much more manageable. I do have a couple Harley’s for the street riding. Ride safe brother!
Good video, I have just ridden my 250 rally from the U.K. to Cape Town via the west coast of Africa it’s an awesome little budget bike, upgraded the suspension to hyperpro fron and rear, fitted a camel tank, and Pirelli Mt 21s, it done the job well, glad I didn’t take me 1190
Wow that's a huge trip! I have never done anything like that, it sounds amazing.
Huge respect. I would like to ask, did you replace the springs only (Hyperpro front and rear) or the whole shock?
Tim, can you send the links to the parts, pls.
I just picked up my CRF300L on Friday. I was lucky enough to find a dealer close by who had one. I still had to drive 3hrs to get it but I think it was worth it. The only problem is there is still too much snow on the ground here and I am playing the waiting game. Watching your videos all the time just to try and ease the itch to ride lol. I traded my CRF250F trail bike for this because I wanted more versatility. I can't wait to give this a good try! Thanks for the awesome vids sir!
I upgraded from a 1993 XR250L to a 2021 CRF300L. Talk about stepping into the future! I love both bikes. Nice review. I'm glad I waited until the 300 came out, because if I bought the CRF250L, I'd likely not have bought the 300.
Well congrats, and yeah it is a totally different bike.
I did almost the same thing, upgraded from a 1992 XR250L to a 2017 CRF250 Rally. Best decision I could've made. Probably should have waited for the 300 tho!
Great video, this is the reason I bought a 300l. While it has enough power, a little more would be good. Can’t wait to see your additions.
I have an intake, ECU, 49t rear and exhaust. new video on all that coming soon.
Thank you for this review, as I was very curious about how they would compare. I currently own a 2014 250L and aside from the extremely uncomfortable, stock seat, I have no complaints. I purchased a Seat Concepts low comfort seat, since I'm 5' 4", and it made it so much better. I do mostly back roads, dirt and gravel roads, but not too many trails as we don't have them available close by. Wish we did as that's what I grew up riding on
Great video! I'm thinking about the CRF300L for commuting daily and for a weekend on adventure mode. Greetings from Los Andes mountains in Chile 🇨🇱
Excellent comparison video. I bought a slightly used 250L this past January and I like it. I’ll probably end up with a 300L eventually, because everything I hear or read about the improvements over the 250 makes me think it would be a better bike for me. I look forward to more videos. New sub.
Was thinking of getting a 300L but just got a 2015 CRF250L with only 3,000 miles on it for £3,000 just couldn't see the point paying extra £2,000 for 300L.
And 250L feels so light after my BMW G650GS SERTAO.
Sounds like you got a good deal, I can see you being really happy with it.
Andrew - this video is such a fantastic resource for anyone interested in either the 250L or 300L. Thank you!
Thanks for the comparison. I own a CRF300L Rally and I love it. I just came back from the Giant loop ride in South East Oregon USA and the bike road like a dream on and off road. I was able to cruise on the highway at 65 to 70 with out any problem at all. Off road this bike is just as good as you have said. Great bike!
That is awesome John and the giant loop ride looks like an amazing time. Too bad I am on the other side of the country.
its nice to see a review thats about the feel of the bike and not paper stats!
Always! And thanks for the comment.
@@MotorcyclesOffroad I've owned a couple wr250r's and I love them but for the price I can buy a new 300l for a used wr and I want to try something different
The review I have been waiting for… thanks mate. As a CRF250L owner, love that bike once you make a few changes. Putting specs aside. In the real world the CRF300L works well due to the sum of it’s parts. Only problem with it is Honda and lack of supply. Well at least here in Oz. If they can sort that it may get more of a following. For me my goal is to get hold of the new Yamie T7. Also hard to source. I would be keen to hear your honest review of it. Cheers 🍻
Indeed.
just sold my T7 and looking at a drz400 or crf300l :P
Excellent video and comparison. Had a 2013 250L for 5 years. Added several mods. Didn’t like the 5 speed tranny but I learned to use it. Bought a Bonneville T120 for a replacement. Been missing off roading ever since. Am considering the 300L now. Also looking at the Ducati Desert Sled, but that’s a different animal. Your video has helped a lot! Thanks Daniel.
Best review iv seen in ages, this answered exactly what i wanted to know👌
Another great video! I would definitely be interested in a dual sport tire video if that's something you were considering.
Yeah I could do that I am booked on videos until Thanksgiving tho haha. I have a few In the pipeline.
Good review man. I am leaning towards the 300L, over the 450L, but it's nice to know how the bike progressed from the 250.
The 300L and 450RL are 2 completely different bikes here is some things to consider.
The 300 is better in tight single, the 450 is terrible at this, it has huge flame out issues. But the 450 is much faster in open areas.
the seat height of the 300L is 35" the 450RL is 2" taller.
The 450RL has much better suspension for heavy offroad conditions.
MSRP for the 300L is $5,249 MSRP for the 450RL is $9,999
Oil changed on the 450RL is every 600 miles on the 300L every 8,000miles.
Valves on the 450RL ever 1800 miles on the 300L 15,000 miles.
This review was tremendously helpful man. I have been looking at getting rid of my ZX10R and getting another dual sport and have been having a hard time deciding which one to get. I have always loved Hondas because I feel they are some of the most reliable bikes ever made. I thought about getting the Crf450RL but then realized that seems to be mostly just a dirtbike motor with a street legal setup (I mean what other street legal bike has 800 mile oil changes??) I think the CRF300L might be the sweet spot for me in terms of reliability, road use, and offroad use.
Thanks for the great review man, you get a sub from me!
Sure I am glad I could help, and the ecu + exhaust really opens the bike up. the 300L has 8,000mile oil changes the 450L has 800 lol.
@@MotorcyclesOffroad Another thing I didn't know until I saw your review was that the 300l is only 308 LBS. That surely means with just a few mods you can get it below 300 LBS which is pretty crazy! Cant wait to get one and start modding it myself.
I really appreciate this video. I bought a crf250l last year and have really enjoyed it. I’m going to keep it for my kids, but you made a great argument for the 300. I will be going to my local Honda dealer next week.
Thanks so much.
I think you will really enjoy it.
I will just put .02 down right here, I had not been on 2 wheels in the dirt in over 10 years, while I have a street bike and quad, I hopped on that 300l of his here, the weekend this video was shot actually, I felt like I didn't miss a beat on that bike. 180lbs here suspension felt great to me, was pleasantly surprise on how linear the power was on it and how easily you can corner it in the dirt..
Thanks for the comment man, it was good riding with ya.
Love this video setup/ breakdown... I want my first bike.. but I want to have a dual sport so on my way home if I want to explore.. I can and so I still have the freedom of the motorcycle life 😍 I think I'm between a drz and this crf300..
Ohh well I have a video for that too. th-cam.com/video/QeFyBMJkMqY/w-d-xo.html
This is the best comparison I’ve seen. Good job. Subbed.
Thank you, glad you enjoyed.
Great video. Bought one today... great ride home on it. In the UK... so not as may accessorises as you guys, but I will probably weld up some racks and panniers (in aluminium). Again, great video, thanks for putting in so much effort, it was very entertaining.
Been doing a lot of research to figure out what my first motorcycle is going to be. Thanks (in part) to this video , I'm pretty set on the 300L.
I'm also 6'4" 230 and interested in upgrades that could benefit my size. (Suspension)
Probably mostly running this as a commuter bike during the week and weekend trail riding. I live in Florida so, nothing too mountainous.
ONE hundred and fifty dollars increase!
And you've convinced me. I'm getting one, when I can find one!
This is such an useful video and channel!!!!! I'm new to dirt bike and found this super helpful. It compares everything I want to know and care.
Thanks for this nice video,
300l on order, should arrive on april.
Got 2019 250l and just change rear spoket for 42 thoots and it works great!
I put a 49t on my rear but I am also running a taller tire. So it would be the same a dropping on in the front and adding 3 to the rear if you math'ed it all out.
I thought you guys just got 300l in 10/10/21 I’ve had since March buddy. I thought I’d seen new bikes a couple of days ago
i added a 13t front sprocket. seems pretty good. i also have a taller tire on the rear. speedo was off by 9% with my changes.
I’ve got 2018 CRF250L and installed 13T front sprocket. Much better bike now. Also tried with 42T on rear but found it robbed too much from the top end when scooting between off-road sections. Also installed 12 oclocklabs DRD speedo correction unit. Correction was -11.7%. Bang on now. I have also installed 12oclocklabs gear position indicator. Works well along with LED headlight and indicators using 12oclocklabs fixed rate flasher.
@@jamesgeorgevellavella1961 I have had my 300L since June, I reserved it in March.
Just bumped into your channel. Excellent review! A pleasant upgrade from the rambling bits we sometimes see elsewhere.
Well I am glad you like it.
Another awesome review! Keep up the great work!
Thank you! everyone seems to like the reviews, maybe thats all I should do lmao.
Great comparison. I really appreciate it because I’m pretty focused in on the 300 rally. In fact I’ve got a deposit on a new one in a town about three hours away. But, a lightly used to 250 rally (less than 500 miles on it) just popped up for almost half the price at another town up north. If I can get the 250, I’ll probably go for it, and modify it if I feel the need. Your videos have been really helpful. Thanks! 👍
Great review I want a 300l but have so much aftermarket on my 250l I’ll ride it til it dies
Haha well you may be waiting for a long time! They don't die easy.
Excellent review and comparison!
Hey, thank you nick. Also thanks for taking the time to comment.
Rolling on a 2012L. .... Zero intention to upgrade ... She's never let me down...!
*Crap Game* 🎉
Great review,thanks Andrew
Thank you for the comment,
Great review, really helped
My 250 is hitting 87 mph. Smooth. Full race tech suspension
13-40 gears. 14" Dan moto carbon pipe with jdk fuel mapping. Tires are 120 100 18 and 90 90 21 knobbys. O-60 is 6 flat. No bullshiit. Bro. Swear to God bro.
Thanks a lot for having the decency to include KM/H :D
Haha of course. I grew up here when Imperial system is intuitive to me but I have a lot of people watching around the world. 38% of my audience in not from my home country.
I've ridden both of the rally's in stock form the 300 just felt like a refined 250 it didn't blow my 🧦 off they both struggle on the 🛣️ especially where I live in Phoenix the suspension is still EXTREMELY soft the 286 motor feels nice for what it is but I don't feel that it's as much of a gain as it would be if they put something like a 305cc or something a significant jump with a whole new motor would b so nice. I just want to see Honda jump ahead of the competition rather than always be lagging behind a little bit. I give it to him they're not lagging behind and reliability or anything like that but it would just be nice cuz I kno they're capable of it... (MORE) 🏍️💨💯👍👍
Good informative review!
Best channel on TH-cam man!!
Thanks so much for the kind words!
@@MotorcyclesOffroad You deserve it!
I'd like a smaller bike, but at 320lb I might as well stick with my 320lb KTM 625. same weight with loads more power. might look at a crf250f instead for a more trail orientated bike I could ride on the road every once in a while.
Great review. Very helpful. Thnx. 👌👍
Thanks, glad you liked it.
Thanks for the most informative vid. I was talking to a Honda dealer few days ago, I almost put some money down to order a 2022 cfr250F, liked it cause it weighs only 260 lbs, and 34 inch seat height, No one has a 250F in Arizona, and eta at dealer maybe Jan 2022. (Covid delays). Just not 100% sure if the F was for me, ( as a novice senior trail rider). This video made me think maybe the 300L will do just fine. The only issue I might have is the weight. I will look into it , maybe you can share some advise. Thanks
What is the correct tire presure for 250cc Honda CRF
Great video and review. Thanks. 👍👍
Thank you for commenting.
Well explained and useful.
I subscribed. Good video very cool. You should make some where you just ride trail and we here engine just for fun.
my fist bike was a 1984 honda XL250S 4 Strock ,now i have a 2020 CRF 250L black with red pin striping
i also am 5'4 had to lower the swing arm for the feet to touch the ground
if you change the front drive sprocket one tooth and back sprocket down 2-4 teeth for long distances
Good honest review. Stay safe
Thank you, and you too.
I currently own a Honda XR 650l and am upgrading to a newer and smaller model Honda. At first, I was looking at the Honda crf450, but they wanted $10,000 for it,so this crf300 might be the one I get. I want a bike that's easier to maneuver and wheelie.
Thanks for the excellent video... the thing that baffles me is that you said 300L has shorter low gears compared to 250L, yet engine has longer stroke/torque. As I understand, it is more convenient to have a lot of low end torque off-road so that you can stay in same gear longer (play with throttle) while dealing with ups and downs of the the track (Tenere 700 for instance), yet shorter low gears would mean you are forced to shift more frequently. These two design changes in 300L seem contradictory for off-road situations...am I missing a point here?
Great job!
perceptive analysis- I'll sub : )
Thank you, I am glad I earned your sub.
Cool, thank you! So... yes please advise on the tires!
What kind of terrain are you usually on and how much % is road?
@@MotorcyclesOffroad only about to purchase a small ADV bike so not sure yet but assume 50/50 road- terrain (still struggling between CRF/ BMW 310 GS and KTM 390 Adventure). Perhaps you can make an entire video about tires topic? :)
Subscribed, want one 300 L. Greetings from the Netherlands
Hello, and thank you! Welcome to the channel.
hi . i like your video and voice over.
Thanks for this review :) can you tell what camera do you use?
Great video fellow rider you tuber enjoy
How's this for transition ... or perhaps evolution - I taught my boy to ride (and me to relearn after 25 years outta the saddle!!) on a 230L, then a low mileage 2nd hand 250L, and now to a brand new 300L. We love all of em, and cannot bring ourselves to part with any!! ❤❤ 😂
Just what I was looking for 😊💪👍
Awesome, glad I could help.
Great vid and review. Bdw what camera stuff your using?
Camera stuff?
i perches a new CRF 250L in feb 2020 coloured in black , i had a honda XL250S 1985 before
Great video.
Thank you!
Nether, but, the 250 is the way I would lean . If the 250 was not water cooled and stayed 6 speed there'd be one in my shop
You're doing some great vids on the 300L. Standing up unfortunately doesn't make your weight unspung though... unless you have attached some footpegs to your rear axel/swingarm 😀
Damn maybe I used the wrong terminology. What I meant to say is I'm not sitting on the bike and I'm using my legs as suspension and allowing the bike to move freely.
Absolutely.. you've removed the negative feedback loop between your body and the chassis over rough ground. It's one of the first things a good offroad instructor teaches. Sometimes people also think standing lowers the COG (which is doesn't). Being seated in certain situations though is also correct technique.
Great video
Thanks man, it was a lot of work. Got some cool shot. Next one will be better, got a 360 camera now.
@@MotorcyclesOffroad your content is great and the videos are only getting better. Very informative, non biased, wonderfully edited... keep it up
Great video. Where were you riding at?
Most of it is my personal property
But in other videos I ride PA, NJ, and Maryland.
Which rim decals did you put on your 300L? Thanks!
Great video! On the 300L do you find yourself shifting more frequently on single track or technical terrain compared to the 250L? Rockey Mountains Rider
Well for me no, but that might be mainly because I geared it down to a 49tooth so I can stay in second from 5mph up to like 30mph.
The first gear is lower on the CRF300L then on the CRF250L.
Andrew, thanks for the video. Any updates on the sound testing for the yoshimura exhaust? Thanks
Hey, I have been so busy. I bought the tester just haven't done anything with it. And this week I'm going on a 4 day motocamping trip.
@@MotorcyclesOffroad no problem. Thanks for the quick reply
Hi Andrew , you do a great show , living down under here in Australia still waiting for my 300 to turn up it’s been about four months now 😩 when it does turn up what’s the best 50-50 tire should I put on it.
Same in Aus and have been waiting now 4 months. I really hope i get it this month
I'm told 22 of November for up in Bundaberg qld.
Same here in ACT - Nov
@@T1000.Android shit really? My dealer told me the bikes arrived and were at the dock in Australia but they required an ABS part before they could be shipped. He also said they have no update on Wednesday when I called
Hey man, firstly thanks for the support! A few videos back I shouted out the Aus guys because im getting so many views from down there. So when It comes to a 50/50 I have been messing around with a Bridgestone Battlax. This is on my adventure bike (Tenere 700) I run 10/90 on my dual sports since they mostly see offroad and sand where I live. How much time do you spend on the hard road? I have also had a ton of luck with the pirelli mt16 front and michillen StarCross 5 (replaced the AC10 I believe)
Andrew, question, on my CRF300L, I bent my gear and brake pedals this weekend, and wondering whether the 250 pedals are the same? Trying to source some replacements if I can't bend them back to my liking. Thanks.
With an aftermarket upgrades of my 2013 crf250L, installing an EJK, Q4 FMF exhaust and mega bomb exhaust pipe, K&N airfilter, with 14 & 45 sprocket, YSS rear shock, I don't think so the new 300l can beat my upgraded 250l, I have encountered stock 300l in the road but they are just left behind with jps measurement my 250L can reach a top speed of 150 km/hr. I don't know with an upgraded 300L how much maximum speed can attain.
Yeah I mean it sounds like you have a really nice 250l. The real thing is tho that all that done to the 300L makes it much better. It has a much higher ceiling and is a bit lighter on top of it. When you ride them back to it feels a good deal lighter particularly in the front end. Funny part is I was just on a 250l this week lol. So it's cool to read a comment on thos video today.
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What do you think of the abs feature on this bike? Will it get in the way when trail riding? I have a hard time deciding if it’s worth it. Also how much improvement in terms of power delivery do you get from the rs4? I had it on my 250l and it cleaned up the flat spot at lower rpms
@@thomasr7552 so the ABS is great. You can turn it off with just a quick button push. The Yoshimura pipe really changes the bike. I did a whole video about the exhaust then I did a couple videos with the exhaust after the ECU.
@@MotorcyclesOffroad thanks, good to know the abs does not get in the way when trail riding. I had a 2017 250l with the rs 4 exhaust and it was amazing the change in throttle response. I had the race tech full suspension upgrade on mine as well. Did you get a fuel programmer or just get the 550 ecu upgrade?
@@thomasr7552 this is a video showing the performance of the Exhaust with the ECU th-cam.com/video/ZM85o2Tj65w/w-d-xo.html
This is a video specifically about the ECU. th-cam.com/video/JRwXiZBXotA/w-d-xo.html
Watching this video again and just realized the CRF300L Rally only weighs around 10lbs more than the CRF250L. Wow
haha yeah, they made real changes in the weight. It is pretty awesome that it is not just the same bike with a bigger engine.
How’s it going love the videos
It is going great! How did you like this one?
@@MotorcyclesOffroad this one was nice I like the way you went step by step in different scenarios like on and off road
@@tajima_uchiha_4568 awesome thanks for the feedback. I try to do all my reviews broken down like this because a bike can be stronger in one area then another but people ultimately decide what is more useful in their situation.
I have math questions in this video, lol😂.
235 lb you're a big boy that's cool that you get to test out the suspension with your weight somebody like my skinny ass weighing 165lbs maybe 175lbs carrying my gun & gear & bullshit lol... I really want to try out the 300 I love my 250 but would still like to try the 300 4 shits & giggles lol
Currently thinking about either buying a used, well taken care of low mile 2017 250l for 4500€ in germany or wait and trade in my versys 650 for a 300L... i want to turn it into a supermoto. In germany we can get a 12 liter fuel tank for the 250L thats in my opinion a big bonus.... i cant decide.
You can always tell dual sport riders who are on asphalt more than dirt.
Always sitting on their butt. Very rarely on the pegs where you have so much more control of the bike.
I’ve put my 300L up for sale in Aus. Here they can impound if I’m caught riding on road. 7000km on it and being honest I don’t want to sell it but as i couldn’t get protection parts in March it pisses me off seeing small marks because of no bash plate or frame guards etc. I’m short and that didn’t help confidence (now lowering parts out)
Why impounded? Is your 300L not registered?
Wait how can they take your street legal bike away for riding it on the road? that Motorcycle was made for the road?
@@MotorcyclesOffroad yes, I'm curious as well
if you are in australia you have possibly one of the best bashplates made for the 300L easily available to you…..ie. B&B Offroad in Victoria Aus.
I just got my Honda crf250l and during the school year it’s my main transportation to and from school very little time to go off-road Ig meaning I’m riding a lot on pavement. But during the summer time and some times on the weekends I take it into some public fire trails where dirt bikes have just carved i into good riding trails. I’m looking for a tire that’s good at in road but can handle mud and dirt easily. Any suggestions
What about the seating position of both? Any pics?
What about seat height ? I am short 5’4” I have a Yamaha tw200 now and want to upgrade .. what tires you use for sand ? I am in Florida.
Does the crf 300L black fuel cap fits the stock of the crf250L 2018 model ?
Great video. Where is the location?
I ride in NJ, PA, and Maryland.
@@MotorcyclesOffroad Thank you. Enjoyable video and interesting
At 72 kgs 160 lbs the suspension is fine for me.
Well I'm a bit heavier then that so either bike I would change it.
Can you lower the compression ratio by altering the cams ?
Hi, are you using a fuel controller with the new pipe?
I have a separate whole ECU flashed for the exhaust, high octane, and intake. I did not use it in the comparison, I have a stock and a flashed one. I'm going to have a video on the ECU up within the next couple of weeks. Just have a ton of other stuff on my schedule.
Where do you get flashed ecu? I’m in Australia Victoria
I got a last year 250l love the bike but if I had the option to buy brand new again I definitely would choose the 300l
Both are solid bikes, I wouldn't mind having either one.
Which version would you recommended between the ABS and the non-ABS model?
It depends how new you are and how much on road you will be doing?
Andrew please share your source for the remapped ECU. I just installed a Moto-X exhaust on the 300L and I have an EJK ordered. I’ve had the same exhaust on the Rally since May without fuel changes without any issues but I’d really like to have the timing advanced for 93 octane.
The Moto-X has been flawless so far and weighs 7 pounds less than the stock pipe and can.
Do you have the full titanium system, stainless system or slip on?
i have a similar set up, moto x exhaust system. i bought my ecu from 550perfornance. i dont think you need a EjK tuner with the ecu flash.
I have the full system on both bikes but only the 300L has the titanium header and mid.
Is the rake on the 300 different from the 250?
How much lead time is there to get a 300L? I haven’t seen any for sale in my area. Most of the used 250L’s seem to be pretty close to the price of just ordering a new 300L so I would lean towards new unless there was a good deal.
In that case I would put a reservation ($100) on a 300L on the dealer and plan to have it by next riding season. I had my reserved at March and got it in just but that's just because that when they got it, it's not like you can order it to come to you. You just get them when they have them come in.
@@MotorcyclesOffroad not a bad plan. The season where I live is winding down.
I’m selling 1 (unlicensed and they take it where I am) but before that I put cash on another so I don’t miss out. People been waiting 6months here
Honda can have their time until Yamaha drops WRR's 300cc replacement. If they can be as good as 310 big bore kit, better valving on shock, and keep subframe bolted (looking at you, Honda) yikes RIP honda and kawasaki
I just did a video about a new WR (mini tenere I called it) but I dont think a new yamaha would effect hondas say so much. I say this because in my research the WR250 wasnt a really sought after bike. When you look at sites like Kellyblue book and other places people use as resources that bike was not on the map as all. I think the major issue for people is the price tag. The WR250 was already like $1400 more then the CRF300L, one would think it may creep up a little more with a new redesign. Not to say a 300cc WR will not sell well, it may but I dont know if I agree it is the same audance as the people who want a cheaper bike. As it stands the 300L is a bargain for all it offers and it will be a hard sell for the majority of dual sporters to pay a premium for a bike that will do everything the same. 4 out of 5 dual sporters riders will be just fine with the 300L. As for me I will definitely be getting the next Yamaha, part of which I talk about in this video: th-cam.com/video/5oVIiIQGtnE/w-d-xo.html
Sorry but the 300 really ain’t that much different to the 250…both awesome bikes!! Can’t go wrong with either
A lot different, especially when you ride them side by side. This is also coming from the 250L owner and myself, also everyone in my riding group now that I think of it.
I am 220lbs, 5'10". How soon will I have to upgrade my suspension if I go with the 300L?
I am 235lbs and I still use stock suspension, tho that is my next upgrade.
You can be fine on most things you should adjust the Preload.
As soon As you leave the dealership