I’m glad to see someone with a platform finally acknowledge what I have been saying for awhile. Fundamentalists who tell me I cannot be saved because I’m Catholic cannot sincerely believe that salvation is by faith alone. They believe in salvation by faith plus a strict adherence to a particular theology opinion.
As a Catholic, I have had many debates with Protestants online who INSIST I am in a fake church , and they insist that ALL Catholics don’t have real faith and are not saved. The way they judge who will go to Heaven ( “saved”) and who will go to hell seems wrong to me. I believe only God reads the heart and is the judge of who goes where. Of course we should share the Good News, but ultimately only the Lord makes the judgment. I don’t know if you’re familiar with the series “The Chosen”. It is a series about Jesus’ life and ministry with the apostles, and the writer/director is Evangelical. However, Jesus is played by a very devout Catholic, Jonathan Roumie. His faith is SO strong. Yet…Many Protestants won’t even watch the show because they believe a Catholic shouldn’t play Jesus. I have even been told the Rosary is an “idol”.
Idk what fundy you talk to but salvation is on what Jesus did for you. No extra bits involved. No church attendance, witnessing, etc. will save you. Knowing there is nothing you can do to get to heaven is the reason we need Gods gift to all. I’m a “fundy” but I believe what the Bible says, not some idiot in a suite or night gown.
@@TheChurchIsLikenUntoTheMoonYes, but if one doesn't do what God commands, his faith is dead. The fact that we are in line with God's commands is the evidence of our salvation.
I was just going to mention James 2. Faith without works is dead. Sometimes it is amazing to me to see the things Christians argue about. This is a no brainer. “By their fruits you shall know them.” (Matthew)
What James is talking about in that verse is justifying your faith before others. He isn’t saying works save along with faith, but rather works are the fruits of a lively faith. If he was saying the latter, then that would contradict numerous parts of the Bible (Romans 4 comes to mind)
And John 6(later about the eucharist) and John 20:22( about confession through apostolic succession) and many other places in the Bible from the mouth of Christ. Just sitting in sin and believing will lead to a hard time in purgatory
James is saying very clearly that good works save along with faith. That's why he points out that "the devils believe, and tremble". He also says very clearly that "faith without works is dead" and "we're justified by works, not by faith alone". James is making a clear distinction between having faith and having good works. Therefore, it's inaccurate to say good works is a fruit of faith only and not complementary to faith. Indeed, good works are so important than Jesus Christ Himself pointed it out in Matthew 25. @@cleaverenjoyer
Faith is necessary, but not the only way to get to heaven. It’s to love God with all your heart and with all your soul, then to love your neighbor as yourself. This is the greatest and truest commandment. If you can’t love your brother that you can see, how much more can you love God that you don’t see. If you want to follow Christ, He asked you to carry your cross. As a Catholic, this is what I learned the whole time since I was young.
Dead meaning not profitable, nothing to do with salvation, these people still make it to heaven but everything they were going to receive gets burned up but they themselves will be saved.
I think this could be said of any true doctrine. For example, it is not in believing you must repent of your sins to be saved you actually have to repent of your sins. And if repenting is necessary that is more than believing. Therefore, saving faith is more than believing it involves repentance.
I mean for me I would say that Catholic veneration is idolatry (I'm aware Catholics believe in a latria/dulia distinction, but that distinction isn't proven to be meaningful), and so unrepentant sin would condemn them.
The devil has sola fide. He believes that God exists. He knows Jesus is the Son. But you have explained that a faithful person cannot but be moved to good action by faith and love elsewhere. You are beautifully dissecting a problem of semantics.
Yes Faith is. My issue is the Sola part. As you know God require more of us than just faith. We come to God by his Grace and profess our faith through baptism where the Holy Spirit will be invited to live more fully within us. God changing us from the inside out. We do nothing to get this Grace, God gives it to us. So after faith comes belief and belief is a verb so it requires action on our part. A response to faith in other words by living out the Christian life and obeying what Jesus told us
Well said Brian Farley. What this arguement is missing is that Faith is just the beginning of the Salvation journey. Running/ completing the "good race" as St Paul calls it involves doing the work of transforming this faith we have received into transforming growth in spirituality, virtue and holiness by cooperating with the Holy Spirit and the teachings of the church/word of God. In James 3:13 it says that "Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom.” ...The part "Sola" is quite misleading and not enough to encompass the Richness and the wholesomeness of salvation. Otherwise how does the doctrine Sola fide explain the saints, the matrys, the prophets, the remnants written of in the book of revelation. Or the the way God is worhipped in heaven by the Angels and Saints (still in revelations). How does Faith alone manifest that you are Holy and worthy of heaven? Because even the demons believe Jesus is Lord, and they tremble in fear..“What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith, but does not have works? Can faith save him? But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.” (James 2:14-26)
I mean this should be obvious to our Protestant friends who hold to such a view: if the belief in sola fide is necessary for salvation then it’s not actually sola fide. You’ve just added the work of proper belief into your soteriology.
It seems foolish to have “sola” in front of any of the major Protestant doctrines, as Protestants do not believe any one of the doctrines to be exclusionary. You cannot have faith without grace, and the grace given requests your free act of faith, not only that… but also your perseverance in the faith. To say faith alone is to exclude grace, and to say grace alone is to exclude faith. It was grammatically and philosophically incorrect for the reformers to brand their philosophies with words that do not even match the definitions they truly hold to. This is why we have had 1,400 years of fighting over what in some cases has just been a different expression of the same belief that Catholicism holds. That is, grace is freely given and precedes us, it is only by grace that we can accept grace, we have the freedom to choose or not to choose, and from then on you persevere by following Christ sincerely.
I ran into this problem and had to wrestle with it for quite a while. Being a Southern Baptist at the time and coming out of a strict cult, I investigated most of the denominations around. The Sola Fide became the standard by which to judge them. Because without it one becomes responsible for his own salvation which in turn makes that salvation based upon works. It wasn't until noticing 1Tim. 2;15 that I began to have serious doubts about Sola Fide which I have since completely rejected it, right along with the other solas. The Solas are necessary to maintain a protestant worldview. But they are directly contrary to Apostolic teaching. Faith itself is not assent to a set of concepts. It is rather, established in the way that a faithful Christian lives his life. This is the faith of the Apostles.
@@robertguidry2168 But that's a given, every Christian knows we're only saved by God's grace alone. Most of the other solas are just.. wrong.. especially in the light of apostolic tradition and teaching.
@@awake3083 No that is NOT the Apostolic teaching. I'm currently at work. And I don't have time to look it all up to present it to you in an organized manner. But St Paul, from whom these Solas are primarily derived, expressed serious concerns for his own soul should he turn astray. That expresses concern that his behavior has a direct impact upon his eternal lot. NOT Sola Fide, but cooperative behavior with God. Unfortunately protestants hold a very different view of "salvation" than what Orthodox or Catholic believe, which changes the understanding of its attainment. Heaven to us is not a place. It is the relationship with Christ. The place is merely Incidental. Salvation to us is not blissful existence in some version of celestial Disneyland. Nobody argues that the place doesn't exist, but the objective is not to go there. The objective is to be one with Christ. Therefore if one merely sez th' sinners prayer, it doesn't do anything but potentially make him feel good way down deep. The saved, or those being saved are seeking the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who raises us up to celestial heights according to the Holy Apostles.
What is "faith" in protestant theology? I'm a recent Orthodox convert, and their conceptualization of faith is different of what I thought it was when I was an atheist, so I don't know how to understand sola fide.
To be fair, the Apostle Paul warns that those who "depend on the law" will get no benefit from Christ. If we take Paul's words hyper literalistically, as absolutes, then someone who believed not only their faith, but their works justified them, could be placing themselves outside of grace. Even in Catholicism, the Council of Trent forbids people from trusting in themselves. Of course one can argue Catholics don't take this to heart as fully and fruitfully as they might. I would say that an understanding of the principle behind Sola Fide - the "empty hand of faith", the rejection of works righteousness, the trusting Christ alone - is essential, not for salvation, but for living in the fullness of grace.
@@MrKev1664you don't seem to know what belief in christ is. John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. Come to Christ.
"Salvation" in Protestant Churches = a gift to the elect, perfect in every way, ready to go right out of the box, and must you must accept it or reject it. "Salvation" in Catholic/Orthodox Churches = a gift for all, some assembly required, batteries not included, whether you accept it or not.
Wesleyan arminian emphasis believer here .. I don't believe that saving faith is alone. James says this. James 2:21-24 KJV [21] Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? [22] Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? [23] And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. [24] Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. .. Yes salvation is by grace through faith...yet saving faith is never alone.
@@EmberBright2077 Christ be with you St Paul doesn't teach faith alone. He tell us faith must uphold the Law. (Rom 3:31) thats not alone Jesus told us we must do works of God to be a believer (John 3:16-21) that not faith alone where do you think its said Come to Christ
@@EmberBright2077 Christ be with you No that not what St Paul taught he tells us faith must up hold the Law Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. (Rom 3:31) He tells us we mock God if we think we have eternal life without doing good works. Do not be deceived; *God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.* For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption; *but he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.* *And let us not grow weary in well-doing, for in due season we shall reap, if we do not lose heart.* (Gal 6:79) and still, you could not tell me what Faith in Jesus Christ is. It not a trick question, it just protestants do not seem to be able to answer it. Come to Christ
St. Mary, the number one and true follower of Christ and true model of Christianity, made a lot of sacrifices for Christ, always there for Him, and a witness of Christ’s passion and work of salvation to humanity. That’s why Christ God, rewarded her of the eternal life, “that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. “. - John 3:16 Mary with her Ascension to Heaven is God’s fulfillment of this eternal life promise.
Honey, the devil has faith. He recogbizes God and Jesus. But he has no love for anything, not even himself just a lust for power. Faith alone cannor save.
@@MrKev1664do you think your insults get any less insulting because you thinly veil them with a "Christ be with you"? Better read those parts about not being judgmental again.
Christ be with you not it is just what I see and hear. The very foundation of Protestantism is it source. Faith alone is a bad tree and cannot produce good fruit. If you think you know what faith in Jesus Christ is let me know. Try not to deny Christ while doing it. God bless you
What about the book of Revelation where Jesus says we will be judged by our works? And I'm not talking the works of the law. You need faith and belief to be saved but will you go to Heaven or hell is decided by your works. Ch 2& 3 of Revelation is all about evil works vs good works.
Grace is necessary for salvation, and Faith is not equal to Grace, is part of it but is not equal. Grace is the interaction of Faith, Hope and Love, and faith I not even the most important or grather of the three... 1 Corinthians 13:13 [13]As it is, these remain: faith, hope and love, the three of them; and the greatest of them is love.
@@MrKev1664you don't seem to know what belief in christ is. John 6:29. Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. Come to Christ.
Austin I think the distinction that you are missing is if you are putting your faith in other things besides Jesus alone then you don’t have saving faith in Christ. For example if you have faith in the Catholic Church to save you and Jesus then your faith isn’t in Jesus. I’m not saying this is the position I hold but I think that’s an accurate representation of how many Protestants view sola Fide
Christ be with you sorry that is not true. Nobody think the Catholic Church died for our sins. The Catholic Church saved by bringing us to repent so we may follow the teaching and Commandments of Christ so he may abide in us that we might be saved, (John 14:20-24) your argument is ridiculous, Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is. that must make it hard to have it God bless you
Well if you don't belive that you are justified by faith alone - Sola Fide - you'll always think you need to strive for perfection in order to be justified.
@@hazelofbasilton4890 If you understand the audience of Matthew, and the audience Jesus would say that to, you'd know that they were hypocritical Jews, who claimed to be saved and actually weren't. In essence, Jesus was saying 'If you are saved, prove it.' If you read Romans, Galatians, Ephesians and even James, you'd know that righteousness doesn't come from works, and that no person can attain perfection apart from Christ. They're fruits of someone who is regenerate, and has a genuine saving faith.
Christ be with you Nope you Just beleive what Jesus taught in the bible instead of making up silly Stuff like faith alone. Protestants do not seem to know what Faith in Jesus Christ is (Luke 6:46-49) come to Christ
@@quintus1164 False dichotomy. No one is saying that a person can attain perfection apart from Christ. On the contrary, by the grace of God, we can strive for perfection as nothing is impossible with God who is dwelling and working within us. Good works are fruits, but they are not just mere fruits. Catholics would even agree with Orthodox on its emphasis that it's really becoming more and more like God; it's deification. This aligns with the concept of discipleship, with the concept of love and it being the greatest (even over and above faith, even faith that moves mountains the Bible says) and that God is love, with the concept of holiness, with the concept that we will be judged according to our deeds (note that God is omniscient; unlike the courts of law that would have to rely on the evidence before it, God knows everything), and many other concepts really. I could expound on this and others if you want. You see, that's always the problem with Protestant theology, always stepping on the full stop pedal at every opportunity they can, much like the royal priesthood of all believers, thinking that because the Bible mentions that, that is already to the exclusion of ministerial priesthood. It's always an either-or situation in Protestant theology, even when it doesn't have to be (and in fact, it's always the case that the Bible doesn't say so).
Since sola fide is a 16th century condemned heresy by a crazy Catholic Augustinian german priest and monk currently burning in hell: Painstakingly obviously not; believing such results in hell ipso facto.
Christ be with you sorry salvation require works Do not be deceived; *God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.* For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption; *but he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.* *And let us not grow weary in well-doing, for in due season we shall reap, if we do not lose heart.* (Gal 6:7-9) I suggest you read more than one verse upside down girl Come to Christ
@@MrKev1664 Christ has SIMPLIFIED everything when the Old Testament Israelites FAILED to properly execute, obey and fulfill the laws and the prophets remember: most of Jesus teachings were preached in the form of "parables" -- that even children or young adults can easily grasp or understand His core message, even to this day Jesus did not want to complicate the message of God work-based salvation (from the Old Testament covenants) had rigid, cumbersome, complicated requirements to follow and fulfill however, there is NO standard, strict, stringent requirement as regards to GRACE & FAITH in the "the New Covenant" or "the Covenant of Jesus Christ" in the Old Testament covenant, these are the various WORK-based rituals to be observed or follow religiously such as the temple & sin offering, fasting, water purification in mikvah, observing 7 yearly feasts & the mosaic (Moses) laws, and of course, worship, study, as well as, preach in the synagogue well, according to Christian beliefs in the New Testament; many, if not all, of the Old Testament laws & rituals (such as sin offering) were already imputed, fulfilled & crucified to the cross along with Jesus and all of our sins (including future sins) work-based salvation in the Old Testament is already "passé" and is no longer applicable in "the New Covenant" or "the Covenant of Jesus Christ" in fact, there's NO such thing as work-based salvation in the New Covenant (if you consider repentance, per se, as a kind of work that merit salvation) Christian works or harvest (righteousness, kindness to others, helping the less fortunate, preaching or sharing the gospel, praise & worship, prayer & sacrifice, so on & so forth, will not be judged, but will only be rewarded accordingly in the "the judgment seat of Christ" (2 Corinthians 5:9-11) -- the rewarding of Christ's multitude of faithfuls for their great harvests the sin-nature (evil doing, wickedness, depravity, etc.) of all Christians (that was inherited to us, one generation after another, from Adam & Eve's disobedience) will be judged accordingly here on earth which we call -- "consequence" or "ramification" yes, a true-blooded faithfuls of Christ will suffer shame, guilt, dishonor, homelessness, poverty, ailment, sickness, pain, suffering, sorrow, etc. or be killed INSTANTANEOUSLY -- if he/she continues to wallow in his/her sin (without ever repenting, observing the atoning grace of Christ and straighten his/her path to righteousness) similar to pigs wallowing in mud and eating its vomit luckily, the faithfuls of Christ in the afterlife will still be rewarded in the "the judgment seat of Christ" (the Bema) Matthew 5 ❝ 17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to FULFILL THEM. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that UNLESS YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS SURPASSES THAT OF THE PHARISEES AND THE TEACHERS OF THE LAW, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. ❞ Romans 8 ❝ 1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has SET YOU FREE FROM THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. ❞ ... continue reading up to verse 17 Colossians 2 ❝ 13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, NAILING IT TO THE CROSS. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. ❞
@@MrKev1664I suggest you read more than one verse upside down, boy. John 6:29. Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. Come to Christ.
"Faith is necessary for salvation" a very basic starting point. Faith in what exactly? In Jesus? Which Jesus? Mormon Jesus? Islam Jesus? New Age Jesus? The Bible Jesus? Which Bible? The way wich institution believes this bible? "Sola Fide" is at least trying to answer that question, you're just taking 10 steps back.
Well, BY Christ Alone, THROUGH Faith Alone, right? Not BY Faith Alone... AND Saving Faith always results in Righteous Works, per the Apostle James... So you will end up having Faith AND Works, but the works are NOT Salvatory. They are one of the visible Fruits OF Salvation....
@@EmberBright2077 saving faith is for those who hear the word of truth and believe in it. Living faith are those that walk out there salvation adhering to and practicing the Royal law.
Christ be with you that is because saving faith has works and is not alone Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is. that must make it hard to have it God bless you
We have to be careful about how we word this. The doctrine of sola fide is we are justified by faith alone, not just faith. Those who reject sola fide, like Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox, also believe in being justified or saved by faith, but not justification by faith alone, because they believe in faith working together through love. They believe God saves us through faith, but works, meaning cooperating with God for our salvation, is part of justification which is an ongoing process. This is why believing in the doctrine of justification by faith ALONE is vital to salvation.
The Bible also says that we are saved through works, not Faith alone...Titus 3:8 states "That those who have believed in God should be careful to maintain good works.”... Also in revelations states as follows; "What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith, but does not have works? Can faith save him? But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.” (James 2:14-26.)
@@nateewongo3905 Why? I don’t I agree with him that we are justified by faith alone. James makes it explicitly clear that we are not justified by faith alone. But aside from that, I don’t see anything objectionable in what he said. Just curious. I’m Catholic btw.
Genuine question, if sola fide is part of the gospel and one doesn't believe sola fide, doesn't that mean you do not have the gospel and therefore are not saved?
@@CettoTheCesco not sure if the question is addressed to me, but sola fide is a non-biblical expression used to express the biblical idea that faith in Christ saves, and nothing else. The doctrine is that faith alone saves, not that believing that faith alone saves is what saves you. So if someone interprets the Bible in such a way that they believe the exhortations to holy and living and good works are required to some degree for salvation, but they have faith in and accept that their salvation is only possible because of Christ’s atoning sacrifice, then that person does not hold to sola fide. However, since they have faith, then according to sola fide, then they would be saved, even if they have an erroneous view of how works fit into the Christian life. I say this as someone who holds to sola fide, and I do not think that rejection of sola fide is damning, as in the example above.
@@AmillennialMillenial thanks for the quick reply, it was addressed to you. Isn't believing in sola fide a necessary condition to believing the gospel/ being saved but not a sufficient condition? Aka you can believe sola fide is part of the gospel and not be a Christian therefore not saved.
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What are you going to be judged on? Or do you need faith alone to enter the kingdom of God? Time and time again throughout scripture it says we will be judged by our *works* not by our faith. Faith is a given, it's the works you did in this life that show if that faith was genuine or not. For example, you can't claim to be a doctor without your credentials, you need to work for those credentials to be considered a doctor, and without them, you'd be a quack.
One must also remember in the original Greek when we see the words saved by faith in the Bible, it more accurately translates into English as faithfulness, having faith and showing that faith by acting on it. If you were married to your wife but never did anything nice to her, never took her out, never even complimented her or anything, she would have a genuine concern and question as to whether or not you truly love her. The same goes for Christ, we show our love for Him by obeying Him and doing what He commands us to do. Which if we want to get really technical, doing work is essentially doing anything that requires any amount of effort. It takes effort to pray, to go to church, to fast, to give alms, to confess your sins and ask for forgiveness, to be a good person overall. It takes effort, therefore it is all work.
Sorry, but there's no difference between saying that faith is necessary for salvation and the sola fide formula, as that's what the formula means. And, if course, it clashes with and contradicts Jesus's very clear exposition in Matthew 25 31-46.
Christ be with you Faith in Jesus Christ is trusting the Son of God to keep his promises, particularly to give the gift of eternal life, made possible by his death burial and resurrection to those who repent and follow his teachings and keep his commandments. God bless you
@MrKev1664 Yes, faith If is reduced to just a belief without grace moving us to become holy isn't faith at all. Even in Romans, Paul discusses how we initially get grace through faith but expands on how living with the spirit of faith requires responsibility. Death to the flesh etc.
@@TheGreekCatholic Christ be with you St Paul in Romans tell us Faith must uphold the Law (Rom 3:31) He tells us those who keep the Law are Justified. (Rom 2:13) this is what he means we he speaks of Faith justifying (Rom 5:1) If it did not uphold the Law of Christ it wouldn't, God bless you
@MrKev1664 the problem with some people is they dont understand that Paul talks about 2 laws. Works of the Law (Jewish) and works/ law of the spirit (by faith in Christ's)
Some day this dude is gonna realize that he is way too intelligent, humble, and fair-minded to follow the man - made and self-contradictory theological system he inherited. The fact that Moody would have kicked him out for becoming Catholic (his words) tells you everything you need to know about the close mindedness of Protestantism as a philosophical framework.
As a born and raised protestant converting to Orthodoxy, it has become very apparent to me that the underlying framework for most (not all) protestants is just simply anti-catholicism. Nearly all arguments formed against Orthodoxy I hear from protestant family and friends are just strawmen of catholicism they wrongfully attempt to apply to Orthodoxy, with nearly zero understanding of either.
Luther didn't invent Protestantism, he was the first major actor among the reformers, but was hardly the only one, and technically not even the first, since the Hussites predated him by about a century. One could easily just describe Romanism in the same way, why trust a system created by a power hungry bishop led by a cabal of child rapists?
So your saved by Faith, but not because you believe your saved by Faith, mumbo jumbo fruit salad not simplifying anything, here is simple, we are sinners, Christ died for us, we can accept by faith his salvation or not
@@MrKev1664you don't seem to know what belief in christ is. John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
@@Collin_Brooks Christ be with you Faith in Jesus Christ is trusting the Son of God to keep his promises, particularly to give the gift of eternal life made possible by his death, burial and resurrection to those who repent and Love follow his teaching and keep his commandments. Without obedience faith is pointless, (Heb 5:8-10) for we cannot Love God (John 14:20-24) I cannot judge each Judaizier but the teaching that you still need to be circumcised or need to give animal sacrifice would suggest they did not think Christ sacrifice would be enough to forgive sin. God bless you
@@MrKev1664 "I cannot judge each Judaizier but the teaching that you still need to be circumcised or need to give animal sacrifice would suggest they did not think Christ sacrifice would be enough to forgive sin." I don't think we need to suggest, I think Paul clearly tells us what the problem with the teaching is. But nonetheless, if teaching that a ceremonial work like circumcision is necessary for salvation suggests that they didn't actually think Christ's sacrifice was enough to forgive sin, why dont the works that RC/EO make necessary for salvation not also suggest that they don't believe Christ's sacrifice was enough to forgive sin?
But we are 𝙉𝙊𝙏 saved by faith alone. We 𝗮𝗿𝗲 saved by 𝗳𝗮𝗶𝘁𝗵. We 𝗮𝗿𝗲 saved by 𝘄𝗼𝗿𝗸𝘀. 𝗕𝘂𝘁 we are 𝗻𝗼𝘁 saved by faith 𝗮𝗹𝗼𝗻𝗲, nor works 𝗮𝗹𝗼𝗻𝗲. We 𝗮𝗿𝗲 saved by faith 𝗔𝗡𝗗 works. We can never say, we are saved by faith alone. There's no such thing as "𝗱𝗼𝗰𝘁𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗲 of faith alone" in the Catholic Church, no matter in what language it's said, because "faith alone" or "sola fide" has never been taught.
When Protestants say "there is no such thing as a saved Catholic", what that reveals to us is that they don't even believe in sola fide themselves. For if you are a Catholic who just happens to believe in sola fide they would, say you're not STILL unsaved until you covert and become a Protestant. And that tells us they're going STRAIGHT TO HELL, according to their own soteriology.
I’m glad to see someone with a platform finally acknowledge what I have been saying for awhile. Fundamentalists who tell me I cannot be saved because I’m Catholic cannot sincerely believe that salvation is by faith alone. They believe in salvation by faith plus a strict adherence to a particular theology opinion.
As a Catholic, I have had many debates with Protestants online who INSIST I am in a fake church , and they insist that ALL Catholics don’t have real faith and are not saved. The way they judge who will go to Heaven ( “saved”) and who will go to hell seems wrong to me. I believe only God reads the heart and is the judge of who goes where. Of course we should share the Good News, but ultimately only the Lord makes the judgment.
I don’t know if you’re familiar with the series “The Chosen”. It is a series about Jesus’ life and ministry with the apostles, and the writer/director is Evangelical. However, Jesus is played by a very devout Catholic, Jonathan Roumie. His faith is SO strong. Yet…Many Protestants won’t even watch the show because they believe a Catholic shouldn’t play Jesus. I have even been told the Rosary is an “idol”.
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Idk what fundy you talk to but salvation is on what Jesus did for you. No extra bits involved. No church attendance, witnessing, etc. will save you. Knowing there is nothing you can do to get to heaven is the reason we need Gods gift to all.
I’m a “fundy” but I believe what the Bible says, not some idiot in a suite or night gown.
@@TheChurchIsLikenUntoTheMoonYes, but if one doesn't do what God commands, his faith is dead. The fact that we are in line with God's commands is the evidence of our salvation.
@@TheChurchIsLikenUntoTheMoon
What you do not understand, is that its not just a gift, it is also a reward.
Yet the only time the Bible says "faith alone" is to tell us that we are NOT saved by faith alone (James 2:24) 😅
I was just going to mention James 2. Faith without works is dead.
Sometimes it is amazing to me to see the things Christians argue about. This is a no brainer. “By their fruits you shall know them.” (Matthew)
@@delvaassante5699 every branch that bears fruit is pruned and every branch that doesn’t bear fruit is thrown away.
What James is talking about in that verse is justifying your faith before others. He isn’t saying works save along with faith, but rather works are the fruits of a lively faith. If he was saying the latter, then that would contradict numerous parts of the Bible (Romans 4 comes to mind)
And John 6(later about the eucharist) and John 20:22( about confession through apostolic succession) and many other places in the Bible from the mouth of Christ. Just sitting in sin and believing will lead to a hard time in purgatory
James is saying very clearly that good works save along with faith. That's why he points out that "the devils believe, and tremble". He also says very clearly that "faith without works is dead" and "we're justified by works, not by faith alone".
James is making a clear distinction between having faith and having good works. Therefore, it's inaccurate to say good works is a fruit of faith only and not complementary to faith.
Indeed, good works are so important than Jesus Christ Himself pointed it out in Matthew 25.
@@cleaverenjoyer
Exactly 🎉 As a Catholic convert, I'm glad to hear this voiced. Its belief in Jesus that saves, not the belief that the belief alone saves that saves.
Christ be with you
Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
Faith is necessary, but not the only way to get to heaven. It’s to love God with all your heart and with all your soul, then to love your neighbor as yourself. This is the greatest and truest commandment. If you can’t love your brother that you can see, how much more can you love God that you don’t see. If you want to follow Christ, He asked you to carry your cross. As a Catholic, this is what I learned the whole time since I was young.
Faith without works is dead. We should always keep that in mind and act accordingly!
Dead meaning not profitable, nothing to do with salvation, these people still make it to heaven but everything they were going to receive gets burned up but they themselves will be saved.
That’s directed to the Jews……
@@TheChurchIsLikenUntoTheMoon Not exactly, but explain your point
And he never explained his point
@@TheChurchIsLikenUntoTheMoonno is not, this is in the New Testament. Those Jews were Christians and James wasn’t talking about works of the law.
I think this could be said of any true doctrine. For example, it is not in believing you must repent of your sins to be saved you actually have to repent of your sins. And if repenting is necessary that is more than believing. Therefore, saving faith is more than believing it involves repentance.
And being baptized and by continuing to co-operate with the grace received and ongoing grace provided! :)
a lot of protestants seem to think belief in sola fide is necessary for salvation. hence why they say catholics arent saved.
They aren’t
@@TheChurchIsLikenUntoTheMoon where in the bible does it say you must believe the doctrine of faith alone to be saved?
I mean for me I would say that Catholic veneration is idolatry (I'm aware Catholics believe in a latria/dulia distinction, but that distinction isn't proven to be meaningful), and so unrepentant sin would condemn them.
@@EmberBright2077 so we arent saved by faith alone, but by faith and good works such as repenting of our sins?
@@myrhh2260 What does that have to do with my comment?
The devil has sola fide. He believes that God exists. He knows Jesus is the Son. But you have explained that a faithful person cannot but be moved to good action by faith and love elsewhere. You are beautifully dissecting a problem of semantics.
Christ be with you
Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 Christ be with you.
Catholics don’t seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
Unfortunately, Luther actually did say that believing you are saved solely by your faith, is essential to your salvation.
Yes Faith is. My issue is the Sola part. As you know God require more of us than just faith. We come to God by his Grace and profess our faith through baptism where the Holy Spirit will be invited to live more fully within us. God changing us from the inside out. We do nothing to get this Grace, God gives it to us. So after faith comes belief and belief is a verb so it requires action on our part. A response to faith in other words by living out the Christian life and obeying what Jesus told us
you meant sola?
@@ГрішаМиколайчук-р3м yes
Well said Brian Farley. What this arguement is missing is that Faith is just the beginning of the Salvation journey. Running/ completing the "good race" as St Paul calls it involves doing the work of transforming this faith we have received into transforming growth in spirituality, virtue and holiness by cooperating with the Holy Spirit and the teachings of the church/word of God. In James 3:13 it says that "Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom.” ...The part "Sola" is quite misleading and not enough to encompass the Richness and the wholesomeness of salvation. Otherwise how does the doctrine Sola fide explain the saints, the matrys, the prophets, the remnants written of in the book of revelation. Or the the way God is worhipped in heaven by the Angels and Saints (still in revelations). How does Faith alone manifest that you are Holy and worthy of heaven? Because even the demons believe Jesus is Lord, and they tremble in fear..“What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith, but does not have works? Can faith save him? But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.” (James 2:14-26)
Christ be with you
Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
@@ГрішаМиколайчук-р3м yes Sola Fide which is transliterated as faith alone
I mean this should be obvious to our Protestant friends who hold to such a view: if the belief in sola fide is necessary for salvation then it’s not actually sola fide. You’ve just added the work of proper belief into your soteriology.
Well said
Bingo 🎯🎯
It seems foolish to have “sola” in front of any of the major Protestant doctrines, as Protestants do not believe any one of the doctrines to be exclusionary. You cannot have faith without grace, and the grace given requests your free act of faith, not only that… but also your perseverance in the faith.
To say faith alone is to exclude grace, and to say grace alone is to exclude faith. It was grammatically and philosophically incorrect for the reformers to brand their philosophies with words that do not even match the definitions they truly hold to.
This is why we have had 1,400 years of fighting over what in some cases has just been a different expression of the same belief that Catholicism holds. That is, grace is freely given and precedes us, it is only by grace that we can accept grace, we have the freedom to choose or not to choose, and from then on you persevere by following Christ sincerely.
1400 yrs? Arr you including Orthodox chism?
Christ be with you
Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
I ran into this problem and had to wrestle with it for quite a while. Being a Southern Baptist at the time and coming out of a strict cult, I investigated most of the denominations around. The Sola Fide became the standard by which to judge them. Because without it one becomes responsible for his own salvation which in turn makes that salvation based upon works.
It wasn't until noticing 1Tim. 2;15 that I began to have serious doubts about Sola Fide which I have since completely rejected it, right along with the other solas.
The Solas are necessary to maintain a protestant worldview. But they are directly contrary to Apostolic teaching.
Faith itself is not assent to a set of concepts. It is rather, established in the way that a faithful Christian lives his life.
This is the faith of the Apostles.
The apostles believed in Sola gratia. Otherwise you can save yourself apart from Christ. The Apostles would reject that teaching out of hand.
@@robertguidry2168 But that's a given, every Christian knows we're only saved by God's grace alone. Most of the other solas are just.. wrong.. especially in the light of apostolic tradition and teaching.
@@awake3083 No that is NOT the Apostolic teaching. I'm currently at work. And I don't have time to look it all up to present it to you in an organized manner.
But St Paul, from whom these Solas are primarily derived, expressed serious concerns for his own soul should he turn astray. That expresses concern that his behavior has a direct impact upon his eternal lot. NOT Sola Fide, but cooperative behavior with God.
Unfortunately protestants hold a very different view of "salvation" than what Orthodox or Catholic believe, which changes the understanding of its attainment.
Heaven to us is not a place. It is the relationship with Christ. The place is merely
Incidental. Salvation to us is not blissful existence in some version of celestial Disneyland. Nobody argues that the place doesn't exist, but the objective is not to go there. The objective is to be one with Christ.
Therefore if one merely sez th' sinners prayer, it doesn't do anything but potentially make him feel good way down deep.
The saved, or those being saved are seeking the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who raises us up to celestial heights according to the Holy Apostles.
Christ be with you
Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
@@MrKev1664
Christ be with you.
Catholics don’t seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
If I have the faith to move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing at all.
Faith working through love
What is "faith" in protestant theology? I'm a recent Orthodox convert, and their conceptualization of faith is different of what I thought it was when I was an atheist, so I don't know how to understand sola fide.
Christ be with you
Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 Christ be with you.
Catholics don’t seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
The devils believe, and tremble.
The very nature of having faith embraces a measure of unknowing. The opposite of faith is not doubt or some measure of unknowing, but certitude.
To be fair, the Apostle Paul warns that those who "depend on the law" will get no benefit from Christ. If we take Paul's words hyper literalistically, as absolutes, then someone who believed not only their faith, but their works justified them, could be placing themselves outside of grace. Even in Catholicism, the Council of Trent forbids people from trusting in themselves. Of course one can argue Catholics don't take this to heart as fully and fruitfully as they might. I would say that an understanding of the principle behind Sola Fide - the "empty hand of faith", the rejection of works righteousness, the trusting Christ alone - is essential, not for salvation, but for living in the fullness of grace.
If Sola Fide is true, one needs not believe in any doctrine at all. One only needs to have faith in Christ.
And yet Christ told us very explicitly that merely believing in him is not enough. Matthew 25 31-46.
I'd just like to point out you wont become a God Dylan. Neither did Joe Smith. He isn't a God right now.
Christ be with you
Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
@@MrKev1664you don't seem to know what belief in christ is.
John 6:29
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Come to Christ.
@@MrKev1664why are you copy pasting the same comment over and over?
By Grace alone... not faith alone. 🙏
"Salvation" in Protestant Churches = a gift to the elect, perfect in every way, ready to go right out of the box, and must you must accept it or reject it.
"Salvation" in Catholic/Orthodox Churches = a gift for all, some assembly required, batteries not included, whether you accept it or not.
Wesleyan arminian emphasis believer here ..
I don't believe that saving faith is alone.
James says this.
James 2:21-24 KJV
[21] Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? [22] Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? [23] And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. [24] Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
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Yes salvation is by grace through faith...yet saving faith is never alone.
The problem with sola fide is it can’t be found in Holy Scripture
The problem is that it expressly denies and contradicts Christ's words in Matthew 25 31-46.
Well except for Paul's writings, or the Gospels but ok guess those aren't scripture.
@@EmberBright2077
Christ be with you
St Paul doesn't teach faith alone.
He tell us faith must uphold the Law. (Rom 3:31)
thats not alone
Jesus told us we must do works of God to be a believer (John 3:16-21)
that not faith alone
where do you think its said
Come to Christ
@@MrKev1664 Paul teaches faith apart from works. We are not saved by works so that we may boast.
I'm already in Christ, oh wise and holy Brother Kev.
@@EmberBright2077
Christ be with you
No that not what St Paul taught
he tells us faith must up hold the Law
Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. (Rom 3:31)
He tells us we mock God if we think we have eternal life without doing good works.
Do not be deceived; *God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.*
For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption; *but he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.*
*And let us not grow weary in well-doing, for in due season we shall reap, if we do not lose heart.* (Gal 6:79)
and still, you could not tell me what Faith in Jesus Christ is.
It not a trick question, it just protestants do not seem to be able to answer it.
Come to Christ
I know many Protestants who will say Catholics are not saved because they dont hold Sola Fide. Majority of evangelicals have that view
St. Mary, the number one and true follower of Christ and true model of Christianity, made a lot of sacrifices for Christ, always there for Him, and a witness of Christ’s passion and work of salvation to humanity. That’s why Christ God, rewarded her of the eternal life, “that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. “. - John 3:16
Mary with her Ascension to Heaven is God’s fulfillment of this eternal life promise.
Honey, the devil has faith. He recogbizes God and Jesus. But he has no love for anything, not even himself just a lust for power. Faith alone cannor save.
Good and clarifying explanation and distinction! 😊
Christ be with you
Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
Makes my head spin the way protestants rationalize their doctrines. It's like listening to lawyers arguing on semantics.
If you think Protestant argue semantics, you should read Aquinas
@@GospelSimplicity 🙂
Christ be with you
Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
@@MrKev1664the pride is astounding
@@MrKev1664do you think your insults get any less insulting because you thinly veil them with a "Christ be with you"? Better read those parts about not being judgmental again.
faith in Jesus is the initial belief that saves you. But faith without works is dead. Read James 2
Jesus is Salvation! All you need is Him.
He is Faith perfectly embodied! All faith comes from Him.
Christ be with you
to have Christ you must follow his teaching and commandments (John 14:20-24)
God bless you
@@MrKev1664John 6:29.
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Unfathomably based
Sola Fide was invented in the 16th century.
Faith, and a lot more.
well said! and faith is a relational interaction with your Maker... it isn't merely a doctrinal assent.
Christ be with you
Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 That is a broad generalization
@@MrKev1664troll 😂.
Christ be with you
not it is just what I see and hear.
The very foundation of Protestantism is it source. Faith alone is a bad tree and cannot produce good fruit.
If you think you know what faith in Jesus Christ is let me know.
Try not to deny Christ while doing it.
God bless you
@@MrSeedi76
Christ be with you
sure but an honest one.
God bless you
What about the book of Revelation where Jesus says we will be judged by our works? And I'm not talking the works of the law.
You need faith and belief to be saved but will you go to Heaven or hell is decided by your works. Ch 2& 3 of Revelation is all about evil works vs good works.
Grace is necessary for salvation, and Faith is not equal to Grace, is part of it but is not equal. Grace is the interaction of Faith, Hope and Love, and faith I not even the most important or grather of the three...
1 Corinthians 13:13
[13]As it is, these remain: faith, hope and love, the three of them; and the greatest of them is love.
Christ be with you
Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
@@MrKev1664you don't seem to know what belief in christ is.
John 6:29.
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Come to Christ.
@@MrKev1664
Christ be with you.
Catholics don’t seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
Love these shorts, but the clicking sound is kind of annoying
Agreed, that's why I no longer use the sound fx
Austin I think the distinction that you are missing is if you are putting your faith in other things besides Jesus alone then you don’t have saving faith in Christ. For example if you have faith in the Catholic Church to save you and Jesus then your faith isn’t in Jesus. I’m not saying this is the position I hold but I think that’s an accurate representation of how many Protestants view sola Fide
Christ be with you
sorry that is not true.
Nobody think the Catholic Church died for our sins.
The Catholic Church saved by bringing us to repent so we may follow the teaching and Commandments of Christ so he may abide in us that we might be saved, (John 14:20-24)
your argument is ridiculous,
Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
@@MrKev1664
Christ be with you.
Catholics don’t seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
Well if you don't belive that you are justified by faith alone - Sola Fide - you'll always think you need to strive for perfection in order to be justified.
Read Matthew. Be perfect.
@@hazelofbasilton4890 But that’s a hard saying too! Who can listen to it?
@@hazelofbasilton4890 If you understand the audience of Matthew, and the audience Jesus would say that to, you'd know that they were hypocritical Jews, who claimed to be saved and actually weren't. In essence, Jesus was saying 'If you are saved, prove it.'
If you read Romans, Galatians, Ephesians and even James, you'd know that righteousness doesn't come from works, and that no person can attain perfection apart from Christ. They're fruits of someone who is regenerate, and has a genuine saving faith.
Christ be with you
Nope you Just beleive what Jesus taught in the bible instead of making up silly Stuff like faith alone.
Protestants do not seem to know what Faith in Jesus Christ is (Luke 6:46-49)
come to Christ
@@quintus1164 False dichotomy. No one is saying that a person can attain perfection apart from Christ. On the contrary, by the grace of God, we can strive for perfection as nothing is impossible with God who is dwelling and working within us. Good works are fruits, but they are not just mere fruits. Catholics would even agree with Orthodox on its emphasis that it's really becoming more and more like God; it's deification. This aligns with the concept of discipleship, with the concept of love and it being the greatest (even over and above faith, even faith that moves mountains the Bible says) and that God is love, with the concept of holiness, with the concept that we will be judged according to our deeds (note that God is omniscient; unlike the courts of law that would have to rely on the evidence before it, God knows everything), and many other concepts really. I could expound on this and others if you want.
You see, that's always the problem with Protestant theology, always stepping on the full stop pedal at every opportunity they can, much like the royal priesthood of all believers, thinking that because the Bible mentions that, that is already to the exclusion of ministerial priesthood. It's always an either-or situation in Protestant theology, even when it doesn't have to be (and in fact, it's always the case that the Bible doesn't say so).
Ave Christus Rex
Ave Maria Regina
Viva Cristo Rey!❤ Ave Maria!
Amen
Since sola fide is a 16th century condemned heresy by a crazy Catholic Augustinian german priest and monk currently burning in hell: Painstakingly obviously not; believing such results in hell ipso facto.
Christ be with you
Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it.
God bless you
@@MrKev1664
Christ be with you.
Catholics don’t seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
No one argues that believing in sola fide is the means for the salvation.
*saved by grace thru faith, but definitely not by works*
Christ be with you
sorry salvation require works
Do not be deceived; *God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.* For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption; *but he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.*
*And let us not grow weary in well-doing, for in due season we shall reap, if we do not lose heart.* (Gal 6:7-9)
I suggest you read more than one verse upside down girl
Come to Christ
@@MrKev1664
Christ has SIMPLIFIED everything when the Old Testament Israelites FAILED to properly execute, obey and fulfill the laws and the prophets
remember: most of Jesus teachings were preached in the form of "parables" -- that even children or young adults can easily grasp or understand His core message, even to this day
Jesus did not want to complicate the message of God
work-based salvation (from the Old Testament covenants) had rigid, cumbersome, complicated requirements to follow and fulfill
however, there is NO standard, strict, stringent requirement as regards to GRACE & FAITH in the "the New Covenant" or "the Covenant of Jesus Christ"
in the Old Testament covenant, these are the various WORK-based rituals to be observed or follow religiously such as the temple & sin offering, fasting, water purification in mikvah, observing 7 yearly feasts & the mosaic (Moses) laws, and of course, worship, study, as well as, preach in the synagogue
well, according to Christian beliefs in the New Testament; many, if not all, of the Old Testament laws & rituals (such as sin offering) were already imputed, fulfilled & crucified to the cross along with Jesus and all of our sins (including future sins)
work-based salvation in the Old Testament is already "passé" and is no longer applicable in "the New Covenant" or "the Covenant of Jesus Christ"
in fact, there's NO such thing as work-based salvation in the New Covenant (if you consider repentance, per se, as a kind of work that merit salvation)
Christian works or harvest (righteousness, kindness to others, helping the less fortunate, preaching or sharing the gospel, praise & worship, prayer & sacrifice, so on & so forth, will not be judged, but will only be rewarded accordingly in the "the judgment seat of Christ" (2 Corinthians 5:9-11) -- the rewarding of Christ's multitude of faithfuls for their great harvests
the sin-nature (evil doing, wickedness, depravity, etc.) of all Christians (that was inherited to us, one generation after another, from Adam & Eve's disobedience) will be judged accordingly here on earth which we call -- "consequence" or "ramification"
yes, a true-blooded faithfuls of Christ will suffer shame, guilt, dishonor, homelessness, poverty, ailment, sickness, pain, suffering, sorrow, etc. or be killed INSTANTANEOUSLY -- if he/she continues to wallow in his/her sin (without ever repenting, observing the atoning grace of Christ and straighten his/her path to righteousness) similar to pigs wallowing in mud and eating its vomit
luckily, the faithfuls of Christ in the afterlife will still be rewarded in the "the judgment seat of Christ" (the Bema)
Matthew 5
❝ 17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to FULFILL THEM. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that UNLESS YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS SURPASSES THAT OF THE PHARISEES AND THE TEACHERS OF THE LAW, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. ❞
Romans 8
❝ 1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has SET YOU FREE FROM THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. ❞
... continue reading up to verse 17
Colossians 2
❝ 13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, NAILING IT TO THE CROSS. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. ❞
@@MrKev1664I suggest you read more than one verse upside down, boy.
John 6:29.
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Come to Christ.
@@MrKev1664
Come to Christ
"Faith is necessary for salvation" a very basic starting point. Faith in what exactly? In Jesus? Which Jesus? Mormon Jesus? Islam Jesus? New Age Jesus? The Bible Jesus? Which Bible? The way wich institution believes this bible? "Sola Fide" is at least trying to answer that question, you're just taking 10 steps back.
That’s pretty much the catholic position. Faith, not faith alone.
Christ be with you
Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
@@MrKev1664
Christ be with you
Catholics don’t seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
Well, BY Christ Alone, THROUGH Faith Alone, right? Not BY Faith Alone...
AND Saving Faith always results in Righteous Works, per the Apostle James...
So you will end up having Faith AND Works, but the works are NOT Salvatory. They are one of the visible Fruits OF Salvation....
Christ be with you
Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
@@MrKev1664
Christ be with you.
Catholics don’t seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
The problem is the reformed don’t distinguish between “saving faith” and living faith”
What would the distinction be?
@@EmberBright2077 saving faith is for those who hear the word of truth and believe in it.
Living faith are those that walk out there salvation adhering to and practicing the Royal law.
@@andrewdrew677 Right but if you don't have the second it presumably can't be said you have the first.
Christ be with you
that is because saving faith has works and is not alone
Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 Was one of those works a pretentious attitude, because if so you're on your way to being a saint.
We have to be careful about how we word this. The doctrine of sola fide is we are justified by faith alone, not just faith. Those who reject sola fide, like Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox, also believe in being justified or saved by faith, but not justification by faith alone, because they believe in faith working together through love. They believe God saves us through faith, but works, meaning cooperating with God for our salvation, is part of justification which is an ongoing process. This is why believing in the doctrine of justification by faith ALONE is vital to salvation.
You still don't understand Catholic soteriology... (your understanding is more nuanced, though)
The Bible also says that we are saved through works, not Faith alone...Titus 3:8 states "That those who have believed in God should be careful to maintain good works.”... Also in revelations states as follows;
"What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith, but does not have works? Can faith save him? But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.” (James 2:14-26.)
@@nateewongo3905 Why? I don’t I agree with him that we are justified by faith alone. James makes it explicitly clear that we are not justified by faith alone. But aside from that, I don’t see anything objectionable in what he said. Just curious. I’m Catholic btw.
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Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
@@MrKev1664
Christ be with you.
Catholics don’t seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
Who keeps clicking
Is that what the guy who came up with Sola Fide would say, properly speaking?
Is Austin Roman Catholic now? (Or Anglo-Catholic?)
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Stand by for angry comments about how not believing in sola fide is denying the gospel.
The gospel teaches to do things...
Genuine question, if sola fide is part of the gospel and one doesn't believe sola fide, doesn't that mean you do not have the gospel and therefore are not saved?
@@CettoTheCesco not sure if the question is addressed to me, but sola fide is a non-biblical expression used to express the biblical idea that faith in Christ saves, and nothing else.
The doctrine is that faith alone saves, not that believing that faith alone saves is what saves you. So if someone interprets the Bible in such a way that they believe the exhortations to holy and living and good works are required to some degree for salvation, but they have faith in and accept that their salvation is only possible because of Christ’s atoning sacrifice, then that person does not hold to sola fide. However, since they have faith, then according to sola fide, then they would be saved, even if they have an erroneous view of how works fit into the Christian life.
I say this as someone who holds to sola fide, and I do not think that rejection of sola fide is damning, as in the example above.
@@AmillennialMillenial thanks for the quick reply, it was addressed to you. Isn't believing in sola fide a necessary condition to believing the gospel/ being saved but not a sufficient condition? Aka you can believe sola fide is part of the gospel and not be a Christian therefore not saved.
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Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
Ngl the mouse clicks on every buzzword lost my train of thought and lost my attention, I just could not focus and here I am typing this before having watched 10 seconds
Yeah, I was working with an editor on these and wasn't a big fan of those effects either
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Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 Christ be with you.
Catholics don’t seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
Nice haircut and beard growth. The fathers would be proud... image of God
What’s up with all the clicking sounds? It’s weird and distracting.
What are you going to be judged on? Or do you need faith alone to enter the kingdom of God? Time and time again throughout scripture it says we will be judged by our *works* not by our faith. Faith is a given, it's the works you did in this life that show if that faith was genuine or not. For example, you can't claim to be a doctor without your credentials, you need to work for those credentials to be considered a doctor, and without them, you'd be a quack.
Nah thats Islam
Keep searching for Jesus and His One, Holy, Apostolic Church.
Pastor Jim's Bible Church ftw
I found it and it ain’t in Rome.
Then Catholics are saved because we profess the Nicene Creed at every Mass.
One must also remember in the original Greek when we see the words saved by faith in the Bible, it more accurately translates into English as faithfulness, having faith and showing that faith by acting on it. If you were married to your wife but never did anything nice to her, never took her out, never even complimented her or anything, she would have a genuine concern and question as to whether or not you truly love her. The same goes for Christ, we show our love for Him by obeying Him and doing what He commands us to do. Which if we want to get really technical, doing work is essentially doing anything that requires any amount of effort. It takes effort to pray, to go to church, to fast, to give alms, to confess your sins and ask for forgiveness, to be a good person overall. It takes effort, therefore it is all work.
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Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
@@MrKev1664you got anything more to say than the same lame copied insult?
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Catholics don’t seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
Got it👍🏻
Sorry, but there's no difference between saying that faith is necessary for salvation and the sola fide formula, as that's what the formula means. And, if course, it clashes with and contradicts Jesus's very clear exposition in Matthew 25 31-46.
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Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it.
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 Christ be with you.
Catholics don’t seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
Not faith in theology, faith in Jesus.
Are there people who are confused by this? Lol
Quite alot
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Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
@@MrKev1664
Christ be with you.
Catholics don’t seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
The question is what dies faith mean?
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Faith in Jesus Christ is trusting the Son of God to keep his promises, particularly to give the gift of eternal life, made possible by his death burial and resurrection to those who repent and follow his teachings and keep his commandments.
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@MrKev1664 Yes, faith If is reduced to just a belief without grace moving us to become holy isn't faith at all. Even in Romans, Paul discusses how we initially get grace through faith but expands on how living with the spirit of faith requires responsibility. Death to the flesh etc.
@@TheGreekCatholic
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St Paul in Romans tell us Faith must uphold the Law (Rom 3:31)
He tells us those who keep the Law are Justified. (Rom 2:13)
this is what he means we he speaks of Faith justifying (Rom 5:1)
If it did not uphold the Law of Christ it wouldn't,
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@MrKev1664 the problem with some people is they dont understand that Paul talks about 2 laws. Works of the Law (Jewish) and works/ law of the spirit (by faith in Christ's)
@@MrKev1664
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Catholics don’t seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
Sure, but a church that anathematizes Sola fide is then a false church.
Some day this dude is gonna realize that he is way too intelligent, humble, and fair-minded to follow the man - made and self-contradictory theological system he inherited. The fact that Moody would have kicked him out for becoming Catholic (his words) tells you everything you need to know about the close mindedness of Protestantism as a philosophical framework.
As a born and raised protestant converting to Orthodoxy, it has become very apparent to me that the underlying framework for most (not all) protestants is just simply anti-catholicism.
Nearly all arguments formed against Orthodoxy I hear from protestant family and friends are just strawmen of catholicism they wrongfully attempt to apply to Orthodoxy, with nearly zero understanding of either.
This is an old video so maybe you learned. But wow please turn down the clicking
"The demons believe and they tremble" - Our lord. Why would anyone trust a 'system' created by Luther (a drunk)?
Luther didn't invent Protestantism, he was the first major actor among the reformers, but was hardly the only one, and technically not even the first, since the Hussites predated him by about a century.
One could easily just describe Romanism in the same way, why trust a system created by a power hungry bishop led by a cabal of child rapists?
So your saved by Faith, but not because you believe your saved by Faith, mumbo jumbo fruit salad not simplifying anything, here is simple, we are sinners, Christ died for us, we can accept by faith his salvation or not
Ironically, this was not at all a coherent comment.
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Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it.
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 Christ be with you.
Catholics don’t seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
Quit messing around and become Catholic. Time is running short.
Become Mormon. They have prophets and apostles.
Become Orthodox, they are the original Church
but you are NOT saved by Faith Alone
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Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
@@MrKev1664you don't seem to know what belief in christ is.
John 6:29
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
@@MrKev1664
Christ be with you.
Catholics don’t seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
Did the Judaizers have faith in Christ?
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Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it.
God bless you
Christ be with you
Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it.
God bless you
@@MrKev1664 What is faith in Christ and did the Judaizers have it?
@@Collin_Brooks
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Faith in Jesus Christ is trusting the Son of God to keep his promises, particularly to give the gift of eternal life made possible by his death, burial and resurrection to those who repent and Love follow his teaching and keep his commandments.
Without obedience faith is pointless, (Heb 5:8-10) for we cannot Love God (John 14:20-24)
I cannot judge each Judaizier but the teaching that you still need to be circumcised or need to give animal sacrifice would suggest they did not think Christ sacrifice would be enough to forgive sin.
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@@MrKev1664 "I cannot judge each Judaizier but the teaching that you still need to be circumcised or need to give animal sacrifice would suggest they did not think Christ sacrifice would be enough to forgive sin."
I don't think we need to suggest, I think Paul clearly tells us what the problem with the teaching is. But nonetheless, if teaching that a ceremonial work like circumcision is necessary for salvation suggests that they didn't actually think Christ's sacrifice was enough to forgive sin, why dont the works that RC/EO make necessary for salvation not also suggest that they don't believe Christ's sacrifice was enough to forgive sin?
Duh. I never speak in tongues anyway…😂
This is obtuse. But perhaps Protestants understand.
He has me so confused
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Protestants don't seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
@@MrKev1664
Christ be with you.
Catholics don’t seem to know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
that must make it hard to have it
God bless you
todavia no eres catolico?
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faith alone will not save
I don't think protestants know what faith in Jesus Christ is.
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Didache
CHAPTER 1
But we are 𝙉𝙊𝙏 saved by faith alone.
We 𝗮𝗿𝗲 saved by 𝗳𝗮𝗶𝘁𝗵.
We 𝗮𝗿𝗲 saved by 𝘄𝗼𝗿𝗸𝘀.
𝗕𝘂𝘁 we are 𝗻𝗼𝘁 saved by faith 𝗮𝗹𝗼𝗻𝗲, nor works 𝗮𝗹𝗼𝗻𝗲.
We 𝗮𝗿𝗲 saved by faith 𝗔𝗡𝗗 works.
We can never say, we are saved by faith alone.
There's no such thing as "𝗱𝗼𝗰𝘁𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗲 of faith alone" in the Catholic Church, no matter in what language it's said, because "faith alone" or "sola fide" has never been taught.
When Protestants say "there is no such thing as a saved Catholic", what that reveals to us is that they don't even believe in sola fide themselves. For if you are a Catholic who just happens to believe in sola fide they would, say you're not STILL unsaved until you covert and become a Protestant.
And that tells us they're going STRAIGHT TO HELL, according to their own soteriology.