EXPLOSIVE BULLETS?! 300 Blackout Winchester Deer Season XP 150gr Ammo Test
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- 300 Blackout Winchester Deer Season XP 150gr Ballistic Tip ammo ballistics gel test fired from a Ruger American Ranch with 16 inch barrel.
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All shots are fired from a distance of 100 yards so as to encompass the majority of common real world hunting scenarios.
I will be shooting into 10% ballistics gel from www.clearballistics.com that has been calibrated to meet the FBI ballistics testing protocol.
While ballistics gel isn’t an exact proxy for big game, small game, predators or defensive situations, it does provide a repeatable medium through which to test various bullets and ammunitions against each other.
With each type of ammo tested I collect data on bullet penetration depth, bullet weight retention, bullet expansion and muzzle velocity.
For reference, bullet expansion is measured at the widest expanded point using a calibrated Frankford Arsenal Digital Caliper.
Bullet weight is measured using a calibrated Frankford Arsenal Digital Scale after having removed as much ballistics gel as possible from the expanded bullets.
Bullet velocity is measured using a ProChronoPal chronograph set approximately 7-10’ from the shooting bench, depending on the cartridge and muzzle blast.
I am fully aware that a chronograph measuring bullet velocity from 10’ away from the muzzle is going to register a slower velocity than if velocity were measured directly at the muzzle, but that difference is going to be so small as to be all but irrelevant in regards to comparison of actual measured velocity versus factory stated velocity.
My goal with these ballistics gel tests is to provide hunters like you and I with the most objective information possible to help us make the best choice for our particular hunting situation.
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Could you try the Palmetto state Armory 300 blkout “sabre blade black tip”? They make 110, 125 and 150. Thanks for your consideration
I put 3 of those into a good 8 point - 160-ish pounds… he went from walking to running.. about 50 yards, another at around 75, then at around 90 yards. 1 in the paunch, 1 in the ribs, the last in the front shoulders.. it broke both shoulders and folded him up! Lawn chair style, full run.. as a side note.. I was batting cleanup for my 12 year old step son… making sure it stayed on the property. I recovered 2 of the 3 bullets, 1 looked like yours in the video, the shoulder shot was mushroomed back much further but was still a good bullet with core intact.. it was a win and I was pleasantly surprised. Now, pushed at 7.62x39 speeds it’ll probably go to pieces… but perfect, inmo, for the 300 BO.. and hit bone with 2 of the 3 shots… 1 broke BOTH shoulder joints.. he was shoveling after he chicken flipped.. 🇺🇸👍🏻
Hornady 110gr vmax absolutely shoots straight and destroys very big solid pigs here in Australia.
The 110 grain loads appear to deliver to most kinetic energy in this cartridge.
Great video. Concise, informative and to the point. Well produced. Thanks.
For clarity, in the video I mentioned that this load performed pretty good and that it would be an option for consideration if hunting with the 300 Blackout, what I mean by that is “compared to other 300 Blackout loads” … because by and large there haven’t been any 300 Blackout loads I’ve tested that performed exceptionally in my eyes for hunting purposes, but this load was far from horrible as compared to others I’ve tested thus far. Just FYI. And in full disclosure, I do not view the 300 Blackout as a great (or even good) medium game hunting cartridge. Can it get the job done? Sure. Are there a plethora of better options? Absolutely.
Thanks for the clarification. Unless I missed it, I don't believe you made any comments with regard to the wound cavity created by this ammunition which looked to be pretty substantial and pretty consistent. From my experience hunting deer and hogs at the end of the day what seems to really matter most is how much damage a bullet can do at any point in its travels into and through the animal. My friend has moved exclusively to his 300 Blackout for deer and hog and always keeps his kills within 100 yards and says this bullet simply "knocks'em down dead". He's killed five this season already and hasn't had to trail a single animal. All five shots where perfect lung shots and he only had an exit wound on one animal. I just purchased my first 300 Blackout rifle this season and plan to try this ammo so your review was very helpful. Thanks.
These are accurate in my Ruger American and work well on lighter deer like Fallow
It would be good if we could post photos but I understand that may cause issues for you as well.
Thanks as always for the videos 👍
I like how this video wasn’t 30 minutes long w 9 sponsor breaks
Bro I have been kicking around the idea of using my 300 black out for deer hunting so I came here to see if you had something it never fails bro you got exactly what we’re looking for so I think I’m gonna give it a try with these bullets Seriously thanks so much for putting this kind of stuff out. You really are helping gun decisions that we make here. Thanks a ton the hightower from Georgia.
I've used the same ammo several times on whitetail deer with good results.
But most of my shots are fifty yards or less where I hunt.
I have not used these, But Winchester makes some extremely under rated rounds.. Some of the best handgun ammo I've shot with best results & knarly wound channels were Winchester. I think it's something about their Hollow point tip design. The US military/LE/MP used a very similar design if not the same for decades. Ranger T and Talon made some ugly wound channels
Review the 120 grain tac-tx. Best projectile in 300 blackout for weight retention and terminal performance. Shoot at 3 different spots on the gel. Great videos
Great video!
I have had really good luck with this ammo for hogs. Smaller hogs under 120 pounds drt with neck shots. Ammo has been very accurate in my ar-15.
I will stick with my 243, and for the 300 blackout fans it’s just about personal preference .
hoping to see some lighter weight bullets in the 300blk soon
I’ve got a neat one coming up
Hammer bullets offers a wide variety of weights and shapes in every caliber. One of the offerings, 101 grain Blackout, many guys are getting 2500+ fps from 16” barrels.. tests show reliable expansion easily into the 1600fps range… 🇺🇸👍🏻👊🏻. Love the channel and your willingness to interact with us basement dwelling troglodytes.
I shot a doe about a year ago with this round and it wasn't the best shot but the shock put that deer down immediately.
Thank you for another great video. So far not a fan of 300 blackout. I like nice big mushroom expansion in my bullet's.
Winchester USA Ready 300
I believe that 300 blk is actually RATED at 16" barrels unstead of the industry standard 24". Which is why you are meeting rated velocities.
If so Wouldn’t it be nice if the ammo manufacturers would use the common barrel length for all chamberings?
@@masonoutdoors_masonleather even with today's long range shooting trend, it's still odd to see a 24" barreled rifle in any 308 or 30-06 length caliber. 20" or 22" would make far more sense. I agree.
That’s a fact. This caliber is specified out of 16” barrels. There is a good reason.
The 300BLK cartridge uses fast-burning pistol powder, not rifle powder. That’s how the designers achieve high bullet velocity out of barrels that are 16” or less.
I handload 110 gr Nosler Varmageddon bullets for my two 300 BLK platforms. The 16” carbine delivers a measured muzzle velocity over 2400 fps. The 10.5” pistol over 2200 fps.
My 16” carbine with that 110 gr bullet has 200 ft-lb more muzzle energy than the 150 gr Winchester tested in this video. My 10.5” pistol matches the energy of the Winchester 150 gr!
I’m not sure why anyone would opt for the heavier bullet in the Winchester ammo, especially if it has such poor expansion characteristics at the slower bullet speed. Ammo like this gives the 300 BLK a bad name.
Moral of the story: Velocity is death. Shoot lighter bullets that actually do what they are supposed when fired from a 300 BLK. That Nosler Varmageddon bullet is designed to perform at those aforementioned 300 BLK velocities. It is devastating on feral hogs, retaining 1000 ft-lb of energy out to 140 yds.
I would not hesitate to shoot a buck with it. If it will kill a 180 lb boar, it will kill a buck.
Once you pull the trigger, it is your bullet that conveys your intentions to the target. So pick your ammo wisely.
@useruser400 what's the weight retention of those lighter bullets?
300 blkout has been our favorite caliber/ammo test yet. We all use it for whitetail and boar hunting.
I’m glad I read your comment. I have been kicking around this idea for a minute on the 300 blackout for Whitetail but it seems like there’s really mixed emotions about it but I’m going for it. Thanks for your insight bro.
@@tonyhightower6715 yeah man! No sweat. My self-imposed max distance with that cartridge is around the 200 yard mark. I typically run a 110 grain or 120 grain bullet but I would go as heavy as 150 if I could guarantee my shots would be within 100 yards. Which let's be honest, they most often are.
Looks good to me👍
We need some lighter 300 blk tests in gel!
In my opinion… At impact speeds under 1900 fps, bonded bullets are iffy, requiring so much energy to reliably expand wide enough to matter… solids about the same… bullets that tend to frag at higher speeds tend to fold back pretty well and still throw enough trash to cause secondary damage… Just my observations with years of use with 300 AAC and 7.62x39… like the Speer 125 Hp flat base… that thing is gnarly! Super thin jacket and goes to pieces at 1900 fps… Hornady V-Max 110’s are awesome on broadsides in the ribs… Now… I don’t carry these guns with these rounds due to necessity, it’s purely for enjoyment and I choose my shots wisely.. I have plenty of better choices for “Real” hunting situations.
110 Vmax is one id really like to try in 300BLK
Also Barnes TX
@masonleather, can you please try ammo Inc. 110gr vmax. Thanks for all the testing.
I will be hunting with 300 blk this season but i will be using hornady black vmax i hope you can test that ammo. I've seen deer hunters having good results with that load. I think 300 blk does better with the 125 and 110 grain bullets.
Hope you like tracking
@@ds6872 i just want to try something different. I've hunting with 308 but last year on one of my hunts i used a 223 and it dropped the deer in it's tracks so this year i will experiment with 300 blk but i will always go back to 308 as my main hunting caliber.
@marcelarmas5817 oh ya, I'm not saying 300 won't work, it's just not a ton of energy. I do a good bit of nuisance control and have seen many animals lost after being hit with 300. 👍
Fiiochi make a 125 SST wonder what the lighter round would do at 100 yards
We stopped using the regular Deer Season from Winchester because they were blowing up and not penetrating well. My brother lost a huge buck, that his friends neighbor killed later that night. He could see where he hit it right behind the shoulder but the bullet detonated on impact (50 yards away) and never penetrated the ribcage. We now shoot the Deer Season Copper.
By the way, that was in 30/06.
Kewl video, do a video on 7mm magnum 150 grain federal fusion vs 175 grain federal fusion. Please 🙏
Was the brass cartridge marked Lake City and was it crimped??? Couldn’t see the head stamp well enough to tell.
Ready to see some different weights. I’m not sure anyone who is a fan of 300 blk thinks much of 150 grain bullets.
Or any grain bullet
@@ds6872 110’s and 125’s perform well.
What scope do you use on this gun?
DINGY BRASS?, Exactly Mason!, Who knows... Cost saving to them, but not us, lol, per box.
Barnes 110gr Tac-TX is my go to 300BLK.
Just my opinion. Much better choices than the .300 blackout for just about everything. I have found it to be a useless caliber. It does nothing that many others don't do just fine or better. It's one of those we didn't know we needed and guess what.... we didn't. But to each their own.
I don’t disagree
300hype-out is a pointless cartridge propagated by excellent marketing
I think of it differently… Instead of comparing it to other rifle calibers, compare to pistol calibers… What pistol throws 125 grain slugs at 2200 fps from 30 round mags AND are easily made from leftover 223/5.56 cases.. using magnum pistol powders and bullets from your .308 stash… ? Basically it makes a 10mm look down right abysmal in every way. Looking better yet? Ammo is literally made from your reloading room scraps.. assuming you handload… if not, I get your point.. but there’s no doubt that a 125 at 2250 fps isn’t a joke… 6:33The jewel of WW2… 30 carbine.. 110 grain fmj at 1900 fps… Not a cannon but it took care of business. People get too hung up on numbers these days… 2400-2500 fps is the sweet spot in my opinion for 90 % of hunting. Perfect expansion form plain bullets, low recoil, and great penetration.. 🇺🇸
@@ds6872That could literally be said for almost every cartridge other than them 30/06, 222 rem, 375 H&H… what else was needed? Everything is an excuse to do something better?!.. wanna talk hype and Marketing… 6.5 Creedmoor success was a master class in convincing everyone they needed a shorter 260 Rem… as in a smidge shorter.. could’ve just started barreling the 260 with 1:8 twist pipes and been some.. but the point is money 💰
@@marvinbrock960 fair enough. 👍👍
I truly believe Winchester deer season, is nothing more than , Winchesters " OLD" Original Silver tip; Remember the aluminum alloy cap on bullet tip? I think it is essentially the same bullet, with a " POLYMER, Cover cap. Hunter Loved or Hated the Original Silver Tips.
Could be better but could certainly be worse. Thank you
I'd still rather just use my 243!
I used these a few years ago on a small deer but in 300 win mag. same bullet. Devastating damage. Blew a hole in and out , destroying everything in the chest. even parts of the stomach which i didn't like. Didn't recover a single piece of the bullet. I think most of it fragmented into such small pieces that it got lost in all the mess.
That happens when you bring too much gun.
@@Jeff.78 i know the 300 is overkill for deer, but hey they were cheap, they were advertised as a deer load, and honestly , what would you even use them for ? Probably a pointless loading to be honest.
@@Magnum_Express Sounds more suited to elk than deer, especially a small deer. I'm willing to bet you have a much more suitable caliber for deer.
I'd rather people use to much gun than use 300hype-out and lose animals
@@Jeff.78 oh yeah. 223, 243, 30-30, 270, couple muzzleloaders, 12 ga slug gun..i have options. just like to rotate my rifles from year to year.
I don't like that ds xp bullet. I have seen 3 deer shot with the 350L all under 100yd they did not make it through.
And they did not leave a blood trail. But all had massive internal bleeding
I’ve seen extremely variable performance across calibers from the ds xp’s, I don’t know what to chalk it up to other than poor engineering and/or quality control
Interesting. I took one yesterday morning with this bullet and it went through no problem and blew out a shoulder. No blood trail, massive internal bleeding though. Heart and lung shot. Thank goodness it didn’t go far otherwise i might not have found it.
Looks like an aggressive crimp
Jesus thst crimp on that round is harsh , like neck of the brass got really f##$@
This is just Winchester being lazy loading bullets designed for 308 velocities, or surprising on how they don’t expand. They do great in 308.
Best 300hype-out load for deer hunting is 308 winchester
This cartridge is just flaky. Almost like they forgot how to design a bullet to function correctly at a given velocity. Every single deer ammo load in . 300 Blackout should be turning in picture perfect mushrooms and an average 20" penetration or whatever their criteria was. This is almost a perfect example of throw it out and see if works, and fix it later after the bad reputation ruins the cartridge....
I don’t disagree
@@masonoutdoors_masonleather I would bet that what few people are hand loading this cartridge are using better and lighter bullet choices and getting better terminal performance than the factory load offerings. Don't quite see the attraction to it. It seems to have such . 30 carbine nuances that it will not give you much to work with around the edges ,
@@masonoutdoors_masonleatherJust figured it out. .300 Blackout is stuck right in between magnum handgun and low end rifle performance. Neither fish nor fowl as a hunting cartridge. Trying to adapt it to medium game likely gets you less field effectiveness than the .223 with a proper deer class bullet.
I wonder if this 150grain pill is the same one that would be loaded into the deer season xp in 308 and 30-06, because id imagine they would grenade at those velocities
What scope do you use on this gun?