Cobra definitely knows how to "jazz the funk" Mark!! Not sure how y'all could prefer the look of the Ping, but you Brits do get used to the dull grey of an 8 month winter don't you? ;-)
we're not all dull, I've got an orange cobra fly-z! ha ha. I think that ping is hideous and it looks cheap and tacky, as do most of their clubs. The woods are normally ok, the 400 range i thought were nice, but they've gone way off-piste with the 410.
@@MakinComputers haha good on ya! That's BOLD!! Don't think I could handle the big orange but I do like to use bright, near-neon yellow NXTs!! After all, I am an American who can't resist bright, shiny objects!! Although I've never been an early adopter. However, I can say, if you want understated elegance and precision performance, I would highly recommend anyone to check out the Ft. Worth Blacks by Hogan, so sweet and I've legit added 10 yards on my irons. Of course some of that is probably the weightier shaft and lower COG on these iron faces. They claim they are the normal standard gapping; IOW no TM games being played on the lofting for the 7 thru W. ;-) I might have to check out some of the Ping drivers prior to the 410. I'm old school, but I hate matte finish grey / nardo as we call it in the States I think. Or is that universal? Cheers!
Be interesting to see what happens if you tee the ball lower with the cobra. Like you said it seems to like lower strikes and I find this with my own f9 if I hit on almost thin it still rockets up there where before you wouldn't have a chance of that distance with my m2
The ping I find rather ugly, Its a Klingon on a stick. The F9 PRETTY. Isn't it true that most amateurs hit low on the clubface, especially when trying to hit up on the ball? And therefore a strategic move from Cobra to accomodate for that with a little more emphasis towards the low end of the club, so especially the low strikes have a bit of extra uhmpf?
The ping has to be one of the best and most underrated drivers on the market just because it is not callaway or Taylor made money gets overlooked by a lot of people, my only criticism is I don’t see the point in having the sft version now that the weight is movable.
A mark crossfield cobra f9 video, a minute in and I'm sat here with popcorn ready for the angry comments as you give hate to the 2019 peoples driver 😳😳
Just changed from a Ping G30 I have used for several years, to the 410. The straightline, forgiveness level is much better...and a few yards further. Well done Ping!
I'd be interested to see a test on a lower lofted head in the Cobra. If I understand correctly they didn't bring out a "plus" model but rather had the lower lofted heads geared more towards lower spin. The variance does worry me a bit but Mark's were relatively stable and Dan admitted to having trouble finding the middle. Just a thought
Its interesting how some aren't having these issues with the f9, and some are.. Shields smashed it, and I know TXG is getting huge #s with it also. Infact watched TXG hit high toe for for like 320 carry with low spin.
Hearty Load I’ve been thinking this the whole time. Rick and Matt are our here smashing the F9 and swear by it and Mark is over here, not doing that. Just goes to show that fitting a driver that works best for you, and not just basing it off someone else is always the answer.
So Dan is #263 (at least with the Ping) In fairness every Cobra driver I tested always span up a little too much for me. Gave me very straight shots but short. I think it is a design philosophy for them
as people say different days same club different numbers , F9 here average 260 carry , Dec 16 2019 average carry 270 , All of today's drivers are pretty close to each other in distance , swing whatever feels good to you . try a bunch of them .
You just can’t hit the cobra. You got it in your brain. You don’t like the cobra. Kinda like I hate Titliest Everyone else on the tube is just bombing the f9. Even the txg guy traded the ping for the f9. 245. Yards. 180 club speed
Hard telling. Dan was longer with the Ping but more offline. Mark was fairly consistent with distance between both clubs but more offline with the Cobra.
Re Mark’s comment about feeling like Ping wasn’t setup equivalently to Cobra because it did not have a moveable weight at the front: is it possible that Ping manufacturers it with weight there already, to keep the spin down such that there is no need to move a weight there?
Have you tried different heads in the Cobra? I’ve noticed I get MORE distance and consistent spin drop with high toe strikes on my F9... (trackman numbers). The Cobra matte finish model looks great!
Has Lockey hit the F9? Perhaps you have to be a monster to unleash its' potential :) A couple weeks ago I took it out for a Desert Southwest golf trip and had the best driving week I've had in years. It's firmly in the bag for this year, er, Spring. It's the Matte finish. Perhaps they made the matte finish better than the glossy yellow ;)
Mark, I could be wrong, but I seem to recall a video where you mentioned that the “sweet spot” of the golf club is dynamic rather than static. Any chance you could elaborate on this idea or simply point me back to that video? Cheers brah and as always #getupdan
Could you do a G410 vs G400 LST? Lots of reviews are saying that the G410 is near the LST in spin but with more forgiveness. Just would like to see your opinions.
I have a Cally sub-zero. If I put the weight forward I struggle to hit the ball. Is it just me or does moving the CG forward affect ability to find middle for some?
The g410 is a good bit of kit. I spent numerous hrs testing the g410,epic flash and f9 against my XR speed. The ping won on dispersion left and right and also on constant numbers. The flash for me was longest but like the f9 inconsistency and drop off on bad hits took them out the equation.
The weight at the front of the Cobra does not suit your swing Mark I think, hence you get drop offs. Its a shame you dont do full fittings for each of the clubs and spend that time getting the club performing at optimum based on a fitter getting the best numbers out of you (hopefully without getting those bad shots)
I think the guys who are banging it 285+ are getting better performance from the Cobra. Is there anything to that? I like Ping but I prefer the previous driver looks and feel wise.
Hey lads... the music is playing a lot at the start of the film. Perhaps it is deliberate, but just in case it wasn't..... it is not that much, just more than usual. As i type this, I feel like a complete wanker. Just ignore me. Glad to see Dan healthy.
Really like the ping woods these days. The hybrids, fairway and driver are all great looking feeling and performing. Man I wish they would do something more in the iron game. The iBlade was the last one I liked and the newer ones just dont do it for me. Would love to see an iBlade 2 or something along that line from Ping.
Had a cobra fitting at the local on Monday and I have to say I found the same results as you guys did. Even though I’m a 14 handicap golfer... the cobra just naturally seemed to hit high on the face but when I did get them out the bottom a bit more the distance was really noticeable! 15-20 yards on some shots. As in good shot on top of the face compared to one from the bottom. Might go test the ping I think! And a few others
Not Surprised with the results. Intested each of those and other new drivers. I was getting faster club head on the F9 but if you hit out of the center, you get a drop off on yrds. For distance and consistent I found the Epic Flash to perform best.
Good video post guys, I agree that I was surprised that the Ping had such low spin rates with both of you. Plus I'm surprised Coach did not get a shot at both of the drivers after he walked in, sooooooooooooo.
My Ping G30 LST is still going strong... Love Ping drivers, though I've hit the Cobra and love the sound... Wish I could have that in a Ping... black it out and matte it out like Batman colors... Kind of like a PXG... Love a good ole fashioned compare!!! #262
@markcrossfield - After watching many of your videos and understanding the 262 reference, as well as reading the recent myspygolf test of the Superspeed sticks, I believe you'd be a prime candidate to use/test them and post a review! I'd love to see it.
I’ve been using the Cobra F8 driver for a while now, and must admit when I started teeing the ball lower (and therefore I assume lower my strike on the face) I’m definitely seeing better performance in terms of distance and ball flight.
Great vid guys as always. Just got fitted F9, Black and White with a shortened shaft and now have the confidence I do with a hybrid in my hand. Love it.
I have to say that I am quite disappointed with both this video as well as many of your recent videos and I will be unsubscribing from you in the future. You go on and on about the need for custom fitting in your video and then you publish this rubbish. First of all if you look closely at your number as you will see that yes ping spun less as well as launching much lower. This could easily be a result of a shaft that doesn't fit you leading to higher spinner shots. Additionally a simple remedy would be to Loft the particular head you were using with the Cobra down by one and that would likely drop your launch angle by 1° and your spin by approximately 500 RPM. Guess what that would give you the same specs as the Ping that you were hitting. It is quite likely that the center of gravity is such that for you as someone who would need to be custom fit into the driver would easily rectified by such a small adjustment in the club. Again this goes with getting yourself fit. Something you clearly didn't do when you did this test. Another thing that I think you failed your audience with is at the spin rates that you are claiming with on the Ping driver at approximately 2100 would be way too low for people with swing speeds that are a hundred miles an hour or slower at that launch angle because they would not keep the ball in the air long enough to maximize their distance. So once more I would prefer that if you were to do comparative testing like this that you at least tried different shafts and adjusted The Loft on the heads that you were using until you have optimized numbers with each before doing head-to-head comparisons otherwise they are useless.
The white version of the F9 driver has a matte finish on top, since you both like the matte on the Ping.
Cobra definitely knows how to "jazz the funk" Mark!! Not sure how y'all could prefer the look of the Ping, but you Brits do get used to the dull grey of an 8 month winter don't you? ;-)
HAha 👍👍
we're not all dull, I've got an orange cobra fly-z! ha ha. I think that ping is hideous and it looks cheap and tacky, as do most of their clubs. The woods are normally ok, the 400 range i thought were nice, but they've gone way off-piste with the 410.
@@MakinComputers haha good on ya! That's BOLD!! Don't think I could handle the big orange but I do like to use bright, near-neon yellow NXTs!! After all, I am an American who can't resist bright, shiny objects!! Although I've never been an early adopter. However, I can say, if you want understated elegance and precision performance, I would highly recommend anyone to check out the Ft. Worth Blacks by Hogan, so sweet and I've legit added 10 yards on my irons. Of course some of that is probably the weightier shaft and lower COG on these iron faces. They claim they are the normal standard gapping; IOW no TM games being played on the lofting for the 7 thru W. ;-) I might have to check out some of the Ping drivers prior to the 410. I'm old school, but I hate matte finish grey / nardo as we call it in the States I think. Or is that universal? Cheers!
Perhaps we should drop red, white and blue for foggy grey or perhaps the colour of a nice cup of milky tea as our national colours?
Easy. New cobra all day long. All day. Nothing like it.
I have never been a guy that cared about having a bag of mixed brands but I could be happy with a bag of Ping clubs.
The ping g drivers got turbulators, got turbulators, got turbulators!!
Cobra got a bite you'll never forget
I cannot believe the ping g 410 cost a thousand dollars in my country of New Zealand. Insane!
Be interesting to see what happens if you tee the ball lower with the cobra. Like you said it seems to like lower strikes and I find this with my own f9 if I hit on almost thin it still rockets up there where before you wouldn't have a chance of that distance with my m2
The ping I find rather ugly, Its a Klingon on a stick. The F9 PRETTY. Isn't it true that most amateurs hit low on the clubface, especially when trying to hit up on the ball? And therefore a strategic move from Cobra to accomodate for that with a little more emphasis towards the low end of the club, so especially the low strikes have a bit of extra uhmpf?
Top of the ping looks like a mud flap on the back of truck!
I really have to tee my F9 down compared to the TM M1 that I used to game, it’s definitely got a sweet spot that’s lower in the face
Knock the cobra down a degree or 2 weight back how does it performance then?
The ping has to be one of the best and most underrated drivers on the market just because it is not callaway or Taylor made money gets overlooked by a lot of people, my only criticism is I don’t see the point in having the sft version now that the weight is movable.
I will never not own a ping driver.....simply the best!!!!
Maby u should be using a lower tee for the cobra , i changed from m4 to m6 but had to use a lower tee on the test to gain the 7 yards extra
Mark when are you moving to Florida so you don’t have to be stuck inside
Will ye compare st190 g to something forgotten driver of this year 👍🏻
A mark crossfield cobra f9 video, a minute in and I'm sat here with popcorn ready for the angry comments as you give hate to the 2019 peoples driver 😳😳
Mark!!! PXG drivers, when you testing them????? Surely you need to go and test them???
All hail our new Ping overlords? #269 is a thing?
Alot of ppl are putting heavier weights in the Cobra and it's worked better
Omg way to overcomplicate golf with gimiki bullshit golf clubs
Just changed from a Ping G30 I have used for several years, to the 410. The straightline, forgiveness level is much better...and a few yards further. Well done Ping!
Check AskGolfNut for Cobra F9 comments??!.
I'd be interested to see a test on a lower lofted head in the Cobra. If I understand correctly they didn't bring out a "plus" model but rather had the lower lofted heads geared more towards lower spin. The variance does worry me a bit but Mark's were relatively stable and Dan admitted to having trouble finding the middle. Just a thought
Ping was 499 in the states and 349 for the f9
Dan almost reluctant in giving his opinion incase he's corrected (given out to) 😝
#prayfordan
Its interesting how some aren't having these issues with the f9, and some are.. Shields smashed it, and I know TXG is getting huge #s with it also. Infact watched TXG hit high toe for for like 320 carry with low spin.
Hearty Load I’ve been thinking this the whole time. Rick and Matt are our here smashing the F9 and swear by it and Mark is over here, not doing that. Just goes to show that fitting a driver that works best for you, and not just basing it off someone else is always the answer.
I used ping drivers for 8 years, cobra F9 is best
So Dan is #263 (at least with the Ping)
In fairness every Cobra driver I tested always span up a little too much for me. Gave me very straight shots but short. I think it is a design philosophy for them
used you can buy 2 cobra with Gucci shafts
Cobra has a matte top in the Avalanche color
The white cobra has the matt finish on top.
unable to find a the matte finish on the Cobra F9, would love to see a picture of it
Mark, can you test the Cobra King forge MB/CB irons please?
Greg Jones th-cam.com/video/PW9zVFmiMNA/w-d-xo.html
What a stupid comparison....
#loftdown with that cobra F9. Opposite concept from good ol SLDR.
Cobra......too shiny; Ping for me every time 👍😁
The F9 avalanche is matte black on the top
Ping 410 still $400. Cobra F9 sits at $350. Like Cobra shaft offerings better. Use the savings of $50 for a pox of premium balls,
as people say different days same club different numbers , F9 here average 260 carry , Dec 16 2019 average carry 270 , All of today's drivers are pretty close to each other in distance , swing whatever feels good to you . try a bunch of them .
Why is the look of them important.? The only things I would worry about is the price, and best performance.
You just can’t hit the cobra. You got it in your brain. You don’t like the cobra. Kinda like I hate Titliest Everyone else on the tube is just bombing the f9. Even the txg guy traded the ping for the f9. 245. Yards. 180 club speed
The white club head is a mixture of Matt and bright, awesome looking
James Paton so glad you said this. I was saying the same as soon as dan mentioned it
Wow. Pretty decisive. Similar results for both testers. Ping wins. My preference as well. I bought one over the Cobra.
When did Dan buy this G410 for £350. I’ll take a box please.
Hard telling. Dan was longer with the Ping but more offline. Mark was fairly consistent with distance between both clubs but more offline with the Cobra.
Re Mark’s comment about feeling like Ping wasn’t setup equivalently to Cobra because it did not have a moveable weight at the front: is it possible that Ping manufacturers it with weight there already, to keep the spin down such that there is no need to move a weight there?
Have you tried different heads in the Cobra? I’ve noticed I get MORE distance and consistent spin drop with high toe strikes on my F9... (trackman numbers). The Cobra matte finish model looks great!
Has Lockey hit the F9? Perhaps you have to be a monster to unleash its' potential :)
A couple weeks ago I took it out for a Desert Southwest golf trip and had the best driving week I've had in years. It's firmly in the bag for this year, er, Spring.
It's the Matte finish. Perhaps they made the matte finish better than the glossy yellow ;)
Mark, I could be wrong, but I seem to recall a video where you mentioned that the “sweet spot” of the golf club is dynamic rather than static. Any chance you could elaborate on this idea or simply point me back to that video? Cheers brah and as always #getupdan
Could you do a G410 vs G400 LST? Lots of reviews are saying that the G410 is near the LST in spin but with more forgiveness. Just would like to see your opinions.
Y’all don’t like the shiny top on the driver. But you both game the shiniest ones they make. What’s wrong with that picture
I have a Cally sub-zero. If I put the weight forward I struggle to hit the ball. Is it just me or does moving the CG forward affect ability to find middle for some?
Mark, will the Cobra F9 grind face cause the drop off aiming to reduce the dispersion?
The g410 is a good bit of kit. I spent numerous hrs testing the g410,epic flash and f9 against my XR speed. The ping won on dispersion left and right and also on constant numbers. The flash for me was longest but like the f9 inconsistency and drop off on bad hits took them out the equation.
The weight at the front of the Cobra does not suit your swing Mark I think, hence you get drop offs. Its a shame you dont do full fittings for each of the clubs and spend that time getting the club performing at optimum based on a fitter getting the best numbers out of you (hopefully without getting those bad shots)
I think the guys who are banging it 285+ are getting better performance from the Cobra. Is there anything to that? I like Ping but I prefer the previous driver looks and feel wise.
What’s better M6 5 wood or F9 5 wood for higher handicapper?
Hey lads... the music is playing a lot at the start of the film. Perhaps it is deliberate, but just in case it wasn't..... it is not that much, just more than usual. As i type this, I feel like a complete wanker. Just ignore me.
Glad to see Dan healthy.
Really like the ping woods these days. The hybrids, fairway and driver are all great looking feeling and performing. Man I wish they would do something more in the iron game. The iBlade was the last one I liked and the newer ones just dont do it for me. Would love to see an iBlade 2 or something along that line from Ping.
Had a cobra fitting at the local on Monday and I have to say I found the same results as you guys did. Even though I’m a 14 handicap golfer... the cobra just naturally seemed to hit high on the face but when I did get them out the bottom a bit more the distance was really noticeable! 15-20 yards on some shots. As in good shot on top of the face compared to one from the bottom. Might go test the ping I think! And a few others
Not Surprised with the results. Intested each of those and other new drivers. I was getting faster club head on the F9 but if you hit out of the center, you get a drop off on yrds. For distance and consistent I found the Epic Flash to perform best.
Good video post guys, I agree that I was surprised that the Ping had such low spin rates with both of you. Plus I'm surprised Coach did not get a shot at both of the drivers after he walked in, sooooooooooooo.
Why keep talking on the looks when you know you can get a mate finish in the Cobra? Wouldn't that make them even in looks?
My Ping G30 LST is still going strong... Love Ping drivers, though I've hit the Cobra and love the sound... Wish I could have that in a Ping... black it out and matte it out like Batman colors... Kind of like a PXG...
Love a good ole fashioned compare!!! #262
Cobra offers a double-weighted version of the f9, what difference would that make?
@markcrossfield - After watching many of your videos and understanding the 262 reference, as well as reading the recent myspygolf test of the Superspeed sticks, I believe you'd be a prime candidate to use/test them and post a review! I'd love to see it.
Here's a question: do you think Ping designed the track vs 3 ports to perform similarly to the dearly departed Vortec?
I’ve been using the Cobra F8 driver for a while now, and must admit when I started teeing the ball lower (and therefore I assume lower my strike on the face) I’m definitely seeing better performance in terms of distance and ball flight.
i love cobras has them since the first ZL currently with the bio plus, but the F8 and F9 faces i don't like , they don't seem to be very constant,
Exactly, set them to their optimum setting not the same settings!!!
You can get heavier weights from Cobra which seems like you need.
It's like comparing shades of whites.
The Cobra bio cell was a good driver for me. I haven't liked any since then. Can you do a what's in the bag for all of the boys.
The F9 driver and 3 wood feels dead off the face to me and is certainly not longer than my other older drivers.
WHAT A BATTLE !!!!!! I agree . Set them both at their best.
Rounding down to 152 from 152.5 was an interesting choice..... 🤔.....all in all a great video per usual 👍
Great vid guys as always. Just got fitted F9, Black and White with a shortened shaft and now have the confidence I do with a hybrid in my hand. Love it.
Great comparison, and I agree but them in the best set up for yourself. The more I see of the ping the more it seems to impress.
The Ping matte finish looks cheap.
I hit them both last week, neither was much of an improvement on my 2014 Big Berth. About to try a used Epic.
Would love to see a compare video on utility irons i.e. cobra one length, etc. I know you don't use them but should be fun watching you swing one.
I'd love to see a compare between the Ping and the M6
Ask Finau and Dusty
Ping is 50 bucks more in the U.S.
266. I’m off to buy the ping.
Cut off the turbulators to save weight
Have you tried other Cobra heads as well?
Not a fan of the look of the big turbulators
The word is "comparison".
Cobra do it in white and the top is a matt finish.
The white cobra f8 has a flat finish brah
Agree compare with them fitted.
I have to say that I am quite disappointed with both this video as well as many of your recent videos and I will be unsubscribing from you in the future. You go on and on about the need for custom fitting in your video and then you publish this rubbish.
First of all if you look closely at your number as you will see that yes ping spun less as well as launching much lower. This could easily be a result of a shaft that doesn't fit you leading to higher spinner shots. Additionally a simple remedy would be to Loft the particular head you were using with the Cobra down by one and that would likely drop your launch angle by 1° and your spin by approximately 500 RPM. Guess what that would give you the same specs as the Ping that you were hitting. It is quite likely that the center of gravity is such that for you as someone who would need to be custom fit into the driver would easily rectified by such a small adjustment in the club. Again this goes with getting yourself fit. Something you clearly didn't do when you did this test.
Another thing that I think you failed your audience with is at the spin rates that you are claiming with on the Ping driver at approximately 2100 would be way too low for people with swing speeds that are a hundred miles an hour or slower at that launch angle because they would not keep the ball in the air long enough to maximize their distance. So once more I would prefer that if you were to do comparative testing like this that you at least tried different shafts and adjusted The Loft on the heads that you were using until you have optimized numbers with each before doing head-to-head comparisons otherwise they are useless.
You are such a vaj. Don't worry the Cobra F9 you just bought, is perfectly fine. Ping worked better for him, so what?
I've ordered the Cobra F9 with smoker shaft. I'll give you some feed back after I give it a try!
How is it!?
I love hitting driver off the deck, that must be why the F9 works so well for me...🤣
I remember a time when Coach and Mark had a Ping driver in their bag. Those were the good days. #preciousmemories
Jonathan Thomason racing stripes 🙄
Why bother if we know it’s 262? Feels and looks I suppose.
Did you not see the numbers?
Love the comment about shafts at the beginning. Can just see the shaftiods head exploding at that point 😂
Hi Mark, Bet I can get 3-4,000 spin on my duff swing 😉
Ahhhhh lockey longballs strolling in!!
I also had big drop offs with the F9 when i put it against the TS2