From all the reviews that I have watched over the last few weeks of the newly released drivers, it is pretty clear that the stand out performer is the Cobra F9 and when correctly fit it is a BEAST (check out the Cobra fitting on TXG's channel)!. Also being at a Price point that is £150 lower than the TM and Callaway offerings IMO it is a no brainer which driver I would choose if I was looking to replace my current Driver.
Agreed - the ball speed with the Cobra driver is impossible to ignore. I might try and do another video on that one later this year because I think there is more performance to be gained
Thanks, Neil that is a great idea. it will be interesting to see if you can replicate the performance leap that TXG achieved for Matt Bois by optimising the spin and launch conditions. Although how he achieves a Ball speed of 180mph, a carry of 340 and total yardage of 360 when injured is beyond my understanding!
Agree, but what shaft should you pick to keep the spin numbers low? I got epic SZ with the even flow shaft now and it pulls out some ridicoulus lenghts.. but F9 looks to be even faster, but i need low spin numbers since i usally is launching my drives high! Launching high with lots of spin killes the flight 😂
Bandit Baker no question. I got custom fit for the F9 with Accra 365 M4 yellow shaft. Same day/same shaft I got 3 mph more ball speed compared to TS3 and Epic Flash SubZero! Seeing is believing! Got the 3-4 and 5-6 fairway metals and 3 & 4 F9 hybrids also all with Accra M4 shafts
Tested all of these drivers a month ago. Went with the Cobra F9 hands down. I'm over sixty and my average driving distance has been around 260. After fitting, jumped to over 280. It feels and sounds great. Gotta love that.
Dougie Montana that TXG video is sick. Matt Blois spins it super low. He said a epic sub zero is too low in spin for him. So F9 spins a bit higher in comparison. Although I guess with the right shaft and setting it should be the longest with that much ball speed.
Very good . Fair and honest review.... One thing I'd like to know is the ranking they came in dispersion . Thanks for taking the time to produce the videos.....
I agree with you. These 3 are my favorite so far. I've played all 3 with the same shaft Atmos Black 7x. Out of all of them the F9 beat the other 2 out. Pure speed off the face. The M5 M6 for some reason came in last for me. I know the some people say the same shaft is not always right for different heads but I feel it is for my swing. I haven't played the Callaway models because no matter what I can not dial the callaway's down on spin. I hope this helps some people out.
Nice to get a side by side comparison like this. I would strongly suspect that GC Quad was misreading clubhead speed for the M5. That number sticks out like a sore thumb. Otherwise, the message is that all drivers from the main manufacturers are excellent and it's all a question of finding the a clubhead and shaft combination that looks and feels right for the individual. With so many low spin models out there which are optimised for pros and TH-camrs on launch monitors it could all go very wrong. An 18 hcp player hitting at 90mph ending up with a driver they spin at 1500 would be a recipe for short and wild.
Very true Adrian - well said. Everyone has to go through their own process and certainly in terms of performance, there really was nothing to call between them
Cobra f9 has been in the bag almost all year. I cracked my m5 in April. The cobra was much easier to turn over. High face strikes are really low spin. I was the fastest head I hit in Orlando. I'm usually 165 to 168 and with f9 I was 171 to 174. Much like you though I didn't see much of anything in the way of distance but it is extremely forgiving and workable.
I also found lower hits with the F9, perhaps as the head feels a little heavier. I have tried all, in a 60g stiff shaft and Ping is in the bag with the M6 as backup. Sold the others...
I currently game the Ping G400 Max driver so I don't think I will be changing this year, but I did hit the Cobra F9 today and it was fantastic. I also love the look of the Mizuno ST190. I'll hit that one upon it's release just to see how it feels.
Thanks for the reviews, but honesly you can’t compare them with stiffer shafts on some. The stiffer shaft will slow the club head speed. Based purely on the numbers the ping410 with a 65 shaft had the best numbers. Club head speed should have been highest on the titliest with a 60g, but the ping may have better aero design.
Victor Excellent So pick up a set of wood clubs and get back to me on how that worked out for you.🤣 And according to you they should have just stopped making clubs 40 years ago.🤣🤣🤣👍 You bet. Keep scoring 125 for 18... I’m sure your friends aren’t laughing.👍💋
The Mad Mick You are pretty dumb if you don’t realise that it’s implied that I mean clubs that are on the market today. Woods doesn’t win because he has Taylormade. He would get the same result with Callaway clubs.... Your reply was probably the dumbest one I have ever seen. Talking about 40 year old clubs...
Alan Jordan And Taylormade won 2 out of the 4 majors in 2019. Ping and Srixon won the other 2. Who sponsored your driver? The lumberjack scuba dive association?🤣
I have a f9 speed back and the total distance difference overall from hitting lower on the face to just above center on the club face is about 20 yards more than lower on the face
Not a criticism, just a question, how accurate can a comparison be if you're not testing either the same shaft or each club with the correctly fitted shaft? There's a 10g difference in some of those shafts
@PeterTwiby - fair question. This was as close as we could get them. One thing we would say is that each manufacturer chooses the stock shafts that work best with their head. We are planning to do a video looking at how much of a difference subtle differences in shafts make
@@GolfMonthly It'll be an interesting video, would it be possible to do it with a higher handicap player also? I know they won't be delivering the club as consistent but they also probably won't be good enough to override what shaft's can do
Just trying to be fair to each of the driver manufacturers. The numbers speak for themselves so I don't think the commentary makes an awful lot of difference. FWIW, TM didn't win the test despite being, in my opinion, the leaders in both the looks and feel department...
Exactly. Who wants a dull thud driver. That’s what TM’s are, DUDS! It’s funny how we men disown other brands good when they are poor quality and break but when it comes to golf drivers, which cost as much or half of a home appliance, so many give them a pass. 🤔. Stop being their puppets. Ping has owed them the past 3 years and now Cobra has the beat on them. Let’s start calling a spade a spade
Strike location is king... i was fit for the F9 and I’ve seen many reviews which confirms that the face has spots that are either dead or not consistent with spin. Supposedly the Speedback with infinity face will fix this. Looking forward to comparing my F9 to Ping 410 next year !
I've got g410 plus and f9 and cant split them at all. Definitely best two drivers i have ever gamed in my golfing life. Went with the f9 fairway wood though hit them more consistently than the ping
I tried all of them over a whole day and I got to say for distance and forgiveness the Callaway Epic Flash was the best followed by Taylormade M6 folllowed by King Cobra F9 Speedback
Great review but the difference in shafts and not matching EI profiles has a significant impact on spin rates and launch. With ball speed, club head speed, smash factor, being the same, this confirms what we already know. With the COR limit and CT limit, good strikes on every driver are the same. This test would be better using robots doing controlled mishits all over the face and the same AoA, using the same swing weights and shafts.
Except 'controlled mishits' doesn't actually do anything to show anything useful. Problem is that CG is dynamic depending on where it's struck on the face and how the club is delivered. Physics
@@Ryan-fx7jx yeah and with a robot you consistently deliver all across the face with different AoA to measure that. As long as you have the same like angle and swing plane you can consistently each mishits with each club. Still physics but thanks
@@benross422 The thing is, when you deliver x AoA, y face to path, and z path angle, the so called 'sweet spot' moves because the effective CoG is moved due to gear effect and head design. So hitting all across the face for a given set of data inputs is useless because you're going to get an entirely different set of results with a change in any one delivery data point. I'm not the best at explaining it, there's a Mark Crossfield video that went up that shows what I'm talking about. Regardless, if you start throwing multiple clubs into robots to swing, you're still going to get distances within 5 yards of each other...
Taylormade won on PGA Mexico this week but it was the 3 wood...Given it was risk reward on the narrow fairways, most guys hitting TM driver were off the fairway right or left and that's pros.
Must be a TaylorMade guy, you were fast to choose the TaylorMade on looks and sound, but couldn’t choose the best on performance. It look like Pinq and Titleist was the winner on performance.
Every one looking for new driver this year should look at the TXG golf testing and club fitting of the cobra F9. It blows all this other clubs away. By the way this is a good channel but they pale in testing to that TXG channel.
I hit m5/m6 cobra and ping and will say ping blows cobra away easily and hit many its better than tailormade but not better than the g410 maybe because you can move the weight head is smaller a bit , either way for me its 5-10 yard difference
Everything blows everything else away because get this... they all do the exact same job pretty much the same! Put all these heads on a swing robot and I guarantee you they'll be within 3 yards of each other on average.
@@bryanhylok9961 What do you mean no. If the cobra was really that much better than all the others, why haven't all the non-contracted pros switched to it. It's simply not possible for a club to be noticeably better these days due to the R&A restrictions on design. Either they're all longer or exactly the same as last years.
Brilliant review as always ,would like to see dispersion comparison and the m5 and f9 tested again to see swing speed numbers on par with the 114 mark and then compare the numbers
Neil , was the heavier weight at the front or the back of the f9 on the test , looks like it could beat the rest of the drivers if the spin numbers came down with that ball speed
Would like to see you get fitted for the cobra by them and see if it made a difference. Ball speed was highest with that one so would be an interesting test.
Aside from 3 of the project X shafts being the same or close to same, is it really fair or a reliable test comparison when the shafts are not the same? From my experience, the shaft makes the bigger difference in the fitting and must be addressed to specifically match the golfers swing.
The problem is that there is a fitting process with each driver. To get the best performance we do a little bit of fitting. It's a trade off between doing a direct comparison versus doing a 'best fit' comparison
@@GolfMonthly thank you for the response! I agree, most orders will most likely be with the available stock shafts. I haven't checked but I assume that's what's in this test and therefore imo would be an acceptable comparison. Newly subscribed, keep up the great reviews!
Very nice comparison, I would like to see the data with all the shots included and maybe a word on forgiveness and dispersion. As you said you are not a robot so I think that data has value. Keep up the good work 🏌🏻♂️
Tried the F9 today, felt heavy in the hand, couldn’t get as good as ball speed at the TS2, which is a shame as I was hoping it would outperform the Titliest given it’s £100 cheaper
I have just been watching Joel get fit for the PXG Gen 2 Driver, any chance that you can throw the PXG into the comparisons and see how it compares, please?
In the review of all these clubs and the performance section can you at least advise on the number of mishit and wide shots that have been removed from the totals.For golfers this maybe a good metric to know and good information. Especially when spending this amount of money, this info would help.Thoughts?
Mostly I was removing 2 or 3 shots per driver with six left counting. As I said, I'm not a pro golfer so my feedback on accuracy would need to come after some extensive on course testing
When I hit Mizunos, I say "they feel like butter". When I hit certain drivers I say, " they sound like a tin can ". I feel with my hands and hear sound with my ears.
Jacob McCain - good spot. However, on the GC Quad you put stickers on the face of the club and if those stickers aren't in the right place you can get some strange smash readings. That's happened to us before
@TideFan01 i ended up getting on a selling app in canada "kijiji".. Ill probally have to switch the shaft as its a 75g and ive never tried anything like that.. But well see how it goes.. There are definetly grest deals out there..
Went to GolfTown yesterday, which is a big golf store chain in Canada. Saw drivers for $400 to $699. Personally, I think that it's really dumb to spend that kind of money for just a driver...you can get a 2017 for a fraction of that price, they haven't changed that much in a year or 2 to justify the price. Having the latest model is just an ego thing
If you tweaked the loft to 9.5 on the cobra I think it would have been the longest of the batch. Everyone I know who has hit it says its the longest driver they ever used. You just hit it too low to get the proper carry. Too much spin as well, check AoA.
So all the drivers are exactly the same thing, right. That wasn't predictable... If there was to be a winner, it's probably the Cobra because of the price, otherwise the Mizuno because they look gorgeous and sound great. #nothingfeelslikeamizuno
Neil. Thanks for the club appraisal. Why is the new PXG driver being ignored by all the majority of driver testing. Its now very comparably priced, the one test i did see gave excellent results?
Thanks Keith. The honest truth revolves around access to samples. Joel was fitted by PXG for the new driver about two weeks ago so we have some content coming specifically on that
skipped to see whether they were tested on the same shaft, and stopped watching from there. cannot run a test without the same shaft that you actually play day to day.
salad5469 Each manufacturer has different stock shaft options, selected specifically to work with their heads. It makes sense to test the heads in combination with the shafts they are offering as standard as that is a more realistic test.
This test means nothing if you do not use the same shaft on each club. The shaft can skew the results on the clubs. Cobra probably would have came out on top if you had the right setting and shaft on the club.
Please, they're pretty much the same thing +-5 yards. Shafts perform differently in different heads + they make no where as much of a difference as people make them out to have, more a calibration tool than anything. The best way to compare is to have them all fit well then hit them, you can't have them all in the same shaft and settings amd expect a fair comparison.
Deon Thompson - yes, as Ryan has said, the manufacturers pick their stock shaft offering based on the performance of the head. That's why there were differences in what we used
Not true Deon Thompson. If that’s the case then each club should also have exactly the same swingweight etc etc. The key to a fair comparison would be to use clubs that have been custom fit correctly for the user. Doing that would ensure the user is getting the very best out of each club.
So you have your fastest swing speed on the cobra then say because of how many you hit on the Taylor made straight after that's the reason it's the slowest? And then mizuno went up again? Just making excuses for Taylor made just admit it's your favourite 😂
TS3 continues to win over and over for me. Did a couple fittings and several head to heads. Ping was a very close second. Both were same distance for me but Titleist edged it on dispersion for me. Cobra does get great speed but did not yield the distance. Just don't think it's as forgiving as the others on mishits.
Woden of the Angles Really... When you go to the golf store... Every brand has the same exact shaft?? Um... no. You test the club with the shaft it comes with. Common sense right?🤯
Cobra all day long. I can't take the TS3 sound at impact. Granted Neil made a disclaimer on low face strikes, but I would have preferred if Neil corrected his mis-strikes and gave us the numbers with strikes equivalent to the other drivers. That's not fair because mis-hits are not the clubs fault. Telling us how the numbers were on mishits is the equivalent of saying "I have to tell you I hit a cracked ball with he Cobra but a new ball with the other drivers in this test."
Station 2Station - fair comments. Mis-hits create a problem in this test. I did however make the point about removing bigger mis hits and with the Cobra driver, they weren't big enough to take out. The only way round it would be to get a robot to do the testing... Having said all that, I wouldn't argue against anyone who wants to get that Cobra driver - it is excellent
Maybe it is just me, but when I watch all of these videos with British reviewer they seem to spend what I would consider an unnecessary amount of time on how the club looks. Is the looks of the club really that important to people? I don't care what it looks like as long as I hit it well.
Fair point @JoeyCameron - however, I would say that sound and looks are the two areas that are subjective and yet are really what make you feel comfortable and confident at address. Ultimately, it's all down to the individual but I would say that looks (and feel) are both important even if they aren't quantifiable.
the test is completely useless if they are using multiple shafts that realistically aren't comparable. the ping had an S flex in it and theres was ten gram differences in some of these shafts. waste of time
From all the reviews that I have watched over the last few weeks of the newly released drivers, it is pretty clear that the stand out performer is the Cobra F9 and when correctly fit it is a BEAST (check out the Cobra fitting on TXG's channel)!. Also being at a Price point that is £150 lower than the TM and Callaway offerings IMO it is a no brainer which driver I would choose if I was looking to replace my current Driver.
Agreed - the ball speed with the Cobra driver is impossible to ignore. I might try and do another video on that one later this year because I think there is more performance to be gained
Thanks, Neil that is a great idea. it will be interesting to see if you can replicate the performance leap that TXG achieved for Matt Bois by optimising the spin and launch conditions. Although how he achieves a Ball speed of 180mph, a carry of 340 and total yardage of 360 when injured is beyond my understanding!
Agree, but what shaft should you pick to keep the spin numbers low? I got epic SZ with the even flow shaft now and it pulls out some ridicoulus lenghts.. but F9 looks to be even faster, but i need low spin numbers since i usally is launching my drives high! Launching high with lots of spin killes the flight 😂
Also quite long (194cm) and the even flow shaft feels a little short
Bandit Baker no question. I got custom fit for the F9 with Accra 365 M4 yellow shaft. Same day/same shaft I got 3 mph more ball speed compared to TS3 and Epic Flash SubZero! Seeing is believing! Got the 3-4 and 5-6 fairway metals and 3 & 4 F9 hybrids also all with Accra M4 shafts
Tested all of these drivers a month ago. Went with the Cobra F9 hands down. I'm over sixty and my average driving distance has been around 260. After fitting, jumped to over 280. It feels and sounds great. Gotta love that.
Great review!
bollocks!~
Cobra with a higher launch and lower spin is the best club with that ball speed.
Seen a few reviews where they’ve said it spins quite high
@@dougiemontana4815, check out TXG's latest videos on the F9. With the right shaft and adjustments, it's LONG!
Howie Land ...main reason spin was higher than the others in this case was the low strikes. I take TXG with a pinch of salt.
Dougie Montana that TXG video is sick. Matt Blois spins it super low. He said a epic sub zero is too low in spin for him. So F9 spins a bit higher in comparison. Although I guess with the right shaft and setting it should be the longest with that much ball speed.
@@SuperYoda7 epic flash sub zero was the too low a spin model
Ball speed is king. You can tweak settings and shafts to get the right launch characteristics. F9 is the winner in performance and value imo.
Very good . Fair and honest review....
One thing I'd like to know is the ranking they came in dispersion .
Thanks for taking the time to produce the videos.....
I would game TS3, F9, & St190. Those are my favorites so far.
I agree with you. These 3 are my favorite so far. I've played all 3 with the same shaft Atmos Black 7x. Out of all of them the F9 beat the other 2 out. Pure speed off the face. The M5 M6 for some reason came in last for me. I know the some people say the same shaft is not always right for different heads but I feel it is for my swing. I haven't played the Callaway models because no matter what I can not dial the callaway's down on spin. I hope this helps some people out.
Nice to get a side by side comparison like this. I would strongly suspect that GC Quad was misreading clubhead speed for the M5. That number sticks out like a sore thumb. Otherwise, the message is that all drivers from the main manufacturers are excellent and it's all a question of finding the a clubhead and shaft combination that looks and feels right for the individual. With so many low spin models out there which are optimised for pros and TH-camrs on launch monitors it could all go very wrong. An 18 hcp player hitting at 90mph ending up with a driver they spin at 1500 would be a recipe for short and wild.
Very true Adrian - well said. Everyone has to go through their own process and certainly in terms of performance, there really was nothing to call between them
The cobra F9 speedback
Still hitting my rocketballz 300+. Probably time to upgrade but tough to justify 500 bucks just for a little more distance.
For me its more about how it feels on the strike than looks I really like the buttery feel of the Callaway's
Thats funny. I have RocketBallz also. I feel the same as you.
Cobra f9 has been in the bag almost all year. I cracked my m5 in April. The cobra was much easier to turn over. High face strikes are really low spin. I was the fastest head I hit in Orlando. I'm usually 165 to 168 and with f9 I was 171 to 174. Much like you though I didn't see much of anything in the way of distance but it is extremely forgiving and workable.
I also found lower hits with the F9, perhaps as the head feels a little heavier. I have tried all, in a 60g stiff shaft and Ping is in the bag with the M6 as backup. Sold the others...
I currently game the Ping G400 Max driver so I don't think I will be changing this year, but I did hit the Cobra F9 today and it was fantastic. I also love the look of the Mizuno ST190. I'll hit that one upon it's release just to see how it feels.
The G400 Max is an excellent driver!
F9 speedback for me. Best driver I have ever owned.
Hmm, he really did his best to compare all of these drivers but I would say it really is something personal to each individual golfer.
Kimchicracker
Finally a comment in this thread that makes sense.
You win.👍
I'm waiting for 2021 cause it'll be best driver ever with fastest ball speed with the lowest spin.
Isn't that what they always say lol.
2021 here already, did you find the GOAT driver yet? :)
F9 then M5 for me. All brilliant drivers though. Incredible how different they are
Thank you for huge report! Very useful for all of us who are looking for ways to improve our skills and results! Perfectly done ! 👍👏👏💯🚀⛳️🏆🦅🏌🏼♂️👊
Thanks for the reviews, but honesly you can’t compare them with stiffer shafts on some. The stiffer shaft will slow the club head speed. Based purely on the numbers the ping410 with a 65 shaft had the best numbers. Club head speed should have been highest on the titliest with a 60g, but the ping may have better aero design.
Cobra F9 it is! Thanks for the review!
How much is taylormade paying him is all I want to know lol
But the tit is staying in his bag...
You do realize Taylormade won 2 out of the 4 majors in 2019?
Ping and Srixon won the other 2.
What’s in your bag?
@@BillMcGirr the players won... not the clubs...
Victor
Excellent
So pick up a set of wood clubs and get back to me on how that worked out for you.🤣
And according to you they should have just stopped making clubs 40 years ago.🤣🤣🤣👍
You bet.
Keep scoring 125 for 18...
I’m sure your friends aren’t laughing.👍💋
The Mad Mick You are pretty dumb if you don’t realise that it’s implied that I mean clubs that are on the market today. Woods doesn’t win because he has Taylormade. He would get the same result with Callaway clubs.... Your reply was probably the dumbest one I have ever seen. Talking about 40 year old clubs...
Excellent review..Cobra is superb value. One thing to note is that there's no obvious fade setting on the F9, so for me it was the TS3
a cheap piece of lead tape on the toe , done for fade setting . LOL :)
He clearly favours the M5 is he looking for a sponsorship?
Alan Jordan
And Taylormade won 2 out of the 4 majors in 2019.
Ping and Srixon won the other 2.
Who sponsored your driver?
The lumberjack scuba dive association?🤣
Why is he creating his chanel...money surely. That why i never watch n take their comments
I have a f9 speed back and the total distance difference overall from hitting lower on the face to just above center on the club face is about 20 yards more than lower on the face
Not a criticism, just a question, how accurate can a comparison be if you're not testing either the same shaft or each club with the correctly fitted shaft? There's a 10g difference in some of those shafts
@PeterTwiby - fair question. This was as close as we could get them. One thing we would say is that each manufacturer chooses the stock shafts that work best with their head. We are planning to do a video looking at how much of a difference subtle differences in shafts make
@@GolfMonthly It'll be an interesting video, would it be possible to do it with a higher handicap player also? I know they won't be delivering the club as consistent but they also probably won't be good enough to override what shaft's can do
how much did taylormade pay you?
Make a lot of excuses for Taylormade... Cobra is a beast when fitted
TM pay them a small fortune in advertising revenue.
Just trying to be fair to each of the driver manufacturers. The numbers speak for themselves so I don't think the commentary makes an awful lot of difference. FWIW, TM didn't win the test despite being, in my opinion, the leaders in both the looks and feel department...
Exactly. Who wants a dull thud driver. That’s what TM’s are, DUDS! It’s funny how we men disown other brands good when they are poor quality and break but when it comes to golf drivers, which cost as much or half of a home appliance, so many give them a pass. 🤔. Stop being their puppets. Ping has owed them the past 3 years and now Cobra has the beat on them. Let’s start calling a spade a spade
At least he's honest. Much appreciated 👍
No pxg gen 2 that’s the only full review I’m waiting on. Really like this style of comparison though.
Me too but I guess it's not available for reviews just yet.
notformebeaky cause they are cheaper now and look cool. So if they perform as well then surely they are an option
notformebeaky it's all about the looks... and 75-25€ more is not that much when compared to Titleist, Callaway and Taylormade.
A real honest and in-depth review, thanks
Strike location is king... i was fit for the F9 and I’ve seen many reviews which confirms that the face has spots that are either dead or not consistent with spin. Supposedly the Speedback with infinity face will fix this. Looking forward to comparing my F9 to Ping 410 next year !
I've got g410 plus and f9 and cant split them at all. Definitely best two drivers i have ever gamed in my golfing life. Went with the f9 fairway wood though hit them more consistently than the ping
TourEdge Exotics EXS...worth the try. Won't be disappointed!
I tried all of them over a whole day and I got to say for distance and forgiveness the Callaway Epic Flash was the best followed by Taylormade M6 folllowed by King Cobra F9 Speedback
I also really liked the M6... We are going to produce a video looking at the M5 v M6 as the performance was so similar for me in testing
The F9 may not be the best.....but for me it's the best. Hitting 260 yard drives in the Seattle Washington area at 62 years old works for me.
Great review but the difference in shafts and not matching EI profiles has a significant impact on spin rates and launch. With ball speed, club head speed, smash factor, being the same, this confirms what we already know. With the COR limit and CT limit, good strikes on every driver are the same. This test would be better using robots doing controlled mishits all over the face and the same AoA, using the same swing weights and shafts.
Except 'controlled mishits' doesn't actually do anything to show anything useful. Problem is that CG is dynamic depending on where it's struck on the face and how the club is delivered. Physics
@@Ryan-fx7jx yeah and with a robot you consistently deliver all across the face with different AoA to measure that. As long as you have the same like angle and swing plane you can consistently each mishits with each club. Still physics but thanks
@@benross422 The thing is, when you deliver x AoA, y face to path, and z path angle, the so called 'sweet spot' moves because the effective CoG is moved due to gear effect and head design. So hitting all across the face for a given set of data inputs is useless because you're going to get an entirely different set of results with a change in any one delivery data point. I'm not the best at explaining it, there's a Mark Crossfield video that went up that shows what I'm talking about.
Regardless, if you start throwing multiple clubs into robots to swing, you're still going to get distances within 5 yards of each other...
Taylormade won on PGA Mexico this week but it was the 3 wood...Given it was risk reward on the narrow fairways, most guys hitting TM driver were off the fairway right or left and that's pros.
Must be a TaylorMade guy, you were fast to choose the TaylorMade on looks and sound, but couldn’t choose the best on performance. It look like Pinq and Titleist was the winner on performance.
Hi Neil that’s a great surname for a guy that presents Golf 👊
Tried the F9 and my ball speed jumped 10mph. Love the feel off it
Every one looking for new driver this year should look at the TXG golf testing and club fitting of the cobra F9. It blows all this other clubs away. By the way this is a good channel but they pale in testing to that TXG channel.
Totally agree spot mfd TXG is PURE GOLF NERD PORN, I'm an addict! lol
I hit m5/m6 cobra and ping and will say ping blows cobra away easily and hit many its better than tailormade but not better than the g410 maybe because you can move the weight head is smaller a bit , either way for me its 5-10 yard difference
Everything blows everything else away because get this... they all do the exact same job pretty much the same! Put all these heads on a swing robot and I guarantee you they'll be within 3 yards of each other on average.
Ryan no
@@bryanhylok9961 What do you mean no. If the cobra was really that much better than all the others, why haven't all the non-contracted pros switched to it. It's simply not possible for a club to be noticeably better these days due to the R&A restrictions on design. Either they're all longer or exactly the same as last years.
Brilliant review as always ,would like to see dispersion comparison and the m5 and f9 tested again to see swing speed numbers on par with the 114 mark and then compare the numbers
Thanks Shane - and good idea on the head to head between TM and Cobra!
Neil , was the heavier weight at the front or the back of the f9 on the test , looks like it could beat the rest of the drivers if the spin numbers came down with that ball speed
Would like to see you get fitted for the cobra by them and see if it made a difference. Ball speed was highest with that one so would be an interesting test.
Agreed - it sounds like we need to do another video on the Cobra!
For a Driver test for the whole year, there should be more people testing and opinions from them.
Aside from 3 of the project X shafts being the same or close to same, is it really fair or a reliable test comparison when the shafts are not the same? From my experience, the shaft makes the bigger difference in the fitting and must be addressed to specifically match the golfers swing.
Shaft is about feel, not performance.
The problem is that there is a fitting process with each driver. To get the best performance we do a little bit of fitting. It's a trade off between doing a direct comparison versus doing a 'best fit' comparison
@@GolfMonthly thank you for the response! I agree, most orders will most likely be with the available stock shafts. I haven't checked but I assume that's what's in this test and therefore imo would be an acceptable comparison. Newly subscribed, keep up the great reviews!
F9 is the best looking , performing and price! Driver of the year!!
Very nice comparison, I would like to see the data with all the shots included and maybe a word on forgiveness and dispersion. As you said you are not a robot so I think that data has value. Keep up the good work 🏌🏻♂️
Thanks Michael Pasvantis - yes, i think that might be a change we make to our testing procedure
... your last name is Tap In... Legendary
What is that chip (at 1:50) in the middle of the face of your M5 driver?
What was the dispersion like for each driver?
That chip is called bad design lol. Think they need to coat the thing in foam to stop it from cracking.
Tried the F9 today, felt heavy in the hand, couldn’t get as good as ball speed at the TS2, which is a shame as I was hoping it would outperform the Titliest given it’s £100 cheaper
I have just been watching Joel get fit for the PXG Gen 2 Driver, any chance that you can throw the PXG into the comparisons and see how it compares, please?
Yes, now that we have a sample to work with you can expect some more comparisons. Will be interesting to see the results in a head-to-head!
@@GolfMonthly Many thanks 👍
In the review of all these clubs and the performance section can you at least advise on the number of mishit and wide shots that have been removed from the totals.For golfers this maybe a good metric to know and good information. Especially when spending this amount of money, this info would help.Thoughts?
Mostly I was removing 2 or 3 shots per driver with six left counting. As I said, I'm not a pro golfer so my feedback on accuracy would need to come after some extensive on course testing
Pocket says F9....but staying with Epic for now..
I still dont know wich one to buy! Taylormade m5 or tthe Ping g410!!! HELP
If u want real forgiveness g410. If you want workability and adjustment m5. They are both great options. Getting fitted is always a great idea.
@@Devlins10 Went to a pro shop tried 4 clubs. Got fitted with m5. was lucky it was at 399$ CAD instead of 699
M5
TAPPIN? What a great name when putting...!
Excellent video!
In the feel test, looks like he tested for sound instead.
Is sound the same as feel?
Yes... exactly. Sound is feel
When I hit Mizunos, I say "they feel like butter". When I hit certain drivers I say, " they sound like a tin can ". I feel with my hands and hear sound with my ears.
Feel like taylormade paid for this review..
James lord
I feel like Taylormade won 2 out of the 4 majors in 2019...
Ping and Srixon won the other two.
What’s in your bag?👍🤣
The Mad Mick taylormade isn’t here you can stop simping
I went backwards.....2017 jpx900 with speeder evolution II 569.....does everything; losing nothing at 25% the price!
I'd play the TM too if I was getting better than 1.5 smash ON AVERAGE! That's technically an illegal driver is it not?
Jacob McCain - good spot. However, on the GC Quad you put stickers on the face of the club and if those stickers aren't in the right place you can get some strange smash readings. That's happened to us before
Looking for a new driver... gonna go with something 3 years old for wayyy cheaper.
Fair enough Stalking Heron art. What are you thinking?
Give the Mizuno jpx900 driver a peek....if blue color doesn't bother, then everything else is great....forgiveness, distance and shaping with ease
I actually found a great deal.. Callaway xr16 pro.. For 100 dollars canadian.. Mint condition aswell..
@TideFan01 i ended up getting on a selling app in canada "kijiji".. Ill probally have to switch the shaft as its a 75g and ive never tried anything like that.. But well see how it goes.. There are definetly grest deals out there..
Cobra's F7 is also still a great driver, if going backward for value.
Went to GolfTown yesterday, which is a big golf store chain in Canada. Saw drivers for $400 to $699. Personally, I think that it's really dumb to spend that kind of money for just a driver...you can get a 2017 for a fraction of that price, they haven't changed that much in a year or 2 to justify the price. Having the latest model is just an ego thing
Another good review
If you tweaked the loft to 9.5 on the cobra I think it would have been the longest of the batch. Everyone I know who has hit it says its the longest driver they ever used. You just hit it too low to get the proper carry. Too much spin as well, check AoA.
Great vlog but surprised the New PXG wasn't in there considering the price point of some of the new drivers
Not on sale yet AFAIK.
Taylormade had a smashfactor of 1.51 (ballspeed/clubheadspeed) which is illegal of a brand New driver... (limited at 1.5)
So all the drivers are exactly the same thing, right. That wasn't predictable... If there was to be a winner, it's probably the Cobra because of the price, otherwise the Mizuno because they look gorgeous and sound great. #nothingfeelslikeamizuno
Yes, it is true. Performance is so similar between the brands - it would be wrong to say anything else!
@@GolfMonthly Like was stated by Neil, it really is a matter of brand loyalty, looks, sound and price
Soz bud but your swing speed isn’t 114 👎🏻
Nice work
Neil. Thanks for the club appraisal. Why is the new PXG driver being ignored by all the majority of driver testing. Its now very comparably priced, the one test i did see gave excellent results?
Thanks Keith. The honest truth revolves around access to samples. Joel was fitted by PXG for the new driver about two weeks ago so we have some content coming specifically on that
Cobra no comparison. Next
skipped to see whether they were tested on the same shaft, and stopped watching from there. cannot run a test without the same shaft that you actually play day to day.
salad5469 Each manufacturer has different stock shaft options, selected specifically to work with their heads. It makes sense to test the heads in combination with the shafts they are offering as standard as that is a more realistic test.
I like m5 its amazing
Pull the pin!
This test means nothing if you do not use the same shaft on each club. The shaft can skew the results on the clubs. Cobra probably would have came out on top if you had the right setting and shaft on the club.
Please, they're pretty much the same thing +-5 yards. Shafts perform differently in different heads + they make no where as much of a difference as people make them out to have, more a calibration tool than anything. The best way to compare is to have them all fit well then hit them, you can't have them all in the same shaft and settings amd expect a fair comparison.
Deon Thompson - yes, as Ryan has said, the manufacturers pick their stock shaft offering based on the performance of the head. That's why there were differences in what we used
Not true Deon Thompson. If that’s the case then each club should also have exactly the same swingweight etc etc. The key to a fair comparison would be to use clubs that have been custom fit correctly for the user. Doing that would ensure the user is getting the very best out of each club.
So you have your fastest swing speed on the cobra then say because of how many you hit on the Taylor made straight after that's the reason it's the slowest? And then mizuno went up again? Just making excuses for Taylor made just admit it's your favourite 😂
So obvious....dude, why don’t you just say TM paid me.
Cobra f9
TS3 continues to win over and over for me. Did a couple fittings and several head to heads. Ping was a very close second. Both were same distance for me but Titleist edged it on dispersion for me. Cobra does get great speed but did not yield the distance. Just don't think it's as forgiving as the others on mishits.
Different shafts in each? Total waste of time comparing.
Woden of the Angles
Really...
When you go to the golf store...
Every brand has the same exact shaft??
Um... no.
You test the club with the shaft it comes with.
Common sense right?🤯
So hard to choose🤔all Excellent. in the market now for new driver now🤔decisions decisions🤣👍
Good luck Mark!
Srixon should have been in the test as well.
Take a look at the group review we did for 2018 driver - they were included in that
Great video, be careful some disgruntled jealous failed golfer from Bedworth doesn't get his mate to snap your thumbs off backwards.
shame you didn't put up a dispersion map.
We are going to try and do some dispersion videos specifically soon
Another cat with a jacked up launch monitor
Nice video 👍🏻
Ts3 for me to!
Titleist my coise
Cobra all day long. I can't take the TS3 sound at impact. Granted Neil made a disclaimer on low face strikes, but I would have preferred if Neil corrected his mis-strikes and gave us the numbers with strikes equivalent to the other drivers. That's not fair because mis-hits are not the clubs fault. Telling us how the numbers were on mishits is the equivalent of saying "I have to tell you I hit a cracked ball with he Cobra but a new ball with the other drivers in this test."
Station 2Station - fair comments. Mis-hits create a problem in this test. I did however make the point about removing bigger mis hits and with the Cobra driver, they weren't big enough to take out. The only way round it would be to get a robot to do the testing... Having said all that, I wouldn't argue against anyone who wants to get that Cobra driver - it is excellent
I should also say that I hit more shots with the Cobra than any other driver
@@GolfMonthly Thanks for the reply. Wonder why you had the tendency to strike lower on the face? Anyway thanks for the review!
Hmm a new driver or a full years membership lol
Good question - one many golfers will be asking themselves!
I would have to see it to believe it. I just don’t believe you have 299 carry with that swing. No way.
Also x flex hzrdus smoke shaft, think s or 6.0 would be plenty enough for that swing speed
Not hating on Taylormade at all. But looking down at the M5 driver it looks so cheap compared to other drivers.
Cobra grip is too fat due to the chip gimmick. M5 supremely controllable.
So change the grip lol
Chip is not a gimmick. If you have a full set with Cobra connect it can transform your game. It's like a virtual caddie.
Maybe it is just me, but when I watch all of these videos with British reviewer they seem to spend what I would consider an unnecessary amount of time on how the club looks. Is the looks of the club really that important to people? I don't care what it looks like as long as I hit it well.
Fair point @JoeyCameron - however, I would say that sound and looks are the two areas that are subjective and yet are really what make you feel comfortable and confident at address. Ultimately, it's all down to the individual but I would say that looks (and feel) are both important even if they aren't quantifiable.
Not sure why you wouldn’t use the same shaft this test means nothing noe
TaylorMade and Ping seem to take the day. FR
910 d3 correct shaft and length vs an off the shelf club .... 910 d3 wins lol 😂
That is, there is 3/5 . of 5/8 of fuck all between top-end drivers. And there has been for 20+ years. You are welcome..
the test is completely useless if they are using multiple shafts that realistically aren't comparable. the ping had an S flex in it and theres was ten gram differences in some of these shafts. waste of time
bravo 👏
No PXG!!
there was no sample when we did the test - keep your eyes peeled as we will have more PXG stuff coming
I played with a guy who had all PXG he was comped. ..free...he said he loved the irons...not so much the woods and driver...
YAWN ....
Hate the sound of the Mizuno driver 🤮... And I play Mizuno irons and always will.