I'm blown away. It's common knowledge nowadays that the lack of father is detrimental to the children... but that just by me going to work my family would become a single-mother family to a degree is a completely new perspective. As a soon-to-be father this is important.
Sure is. My son was born just before covid hit which subsequently sent me to homeoffice. It's always struck me just how much time I was able to spend with my kid instead of being completely absent. There so much you see and experience that most fathers are completely deprived off. And vice versa. It's something that's really stayed with me. I am now on a sabbatical to spend more family time before the kid goes to school. 10/10 can recommend. Obv it is a decision if you want a career, no doubts. We all know where peoples priorities seem to be...
She reflects a thought I have had for a long time, and that is with the industrial revolution, resulted in the fathers, uncles and older male relatives who would the mentors for young boys being removed from the home and thus the young boys lost their teachers, mentors etc. With that men lost their lore.
But the change of society from family employment in substance farming from the Industrial Revolution is independent of the reduction in importance of fatherhood. I think it is naive to make this connection. This does not negate loyalty and commitment. The negation of those things didn't begin after the IR, though life did change. Fatherhood isn't a static phenomenon that only fits one form of societal arrangement.
Again the industrial revolution was a significant turning point. As you wrote fatherhood is not static and there are a number of aspects I have not cover ed, such as the Victorian era. I am looking at this from a Anglo-Saxon point of view. There are additional factors that I have not included, including the perspective of Iron John or the effect of two world wars on the male psyche. @@5metoo
@@philliphickox4023 - If you say the industrial revolution removed fathers from the home, how would you distinguish your position from say Southern Agrarianism? I think people make the mistake of not distinguishing a father's presence from a mother's presence. They are very, very different things. Fatherhood is much more a spiritual vocation. I think now there is a romantic view of fathers in effect as co-mommies. It all comes down to how you see masculine love. It's a deep subject but society is now very confused about it, and I don't see the romantics pointing to the industrial as helping to explain the problem of broken families one bit.
"You'll be in trouble when your father gets home!" - not convinced by the argument that it was industrialisation. Things worked fine with discipline until recent decades.
Thank you John for addressing these subjects . The treatment of males in this country is a disgrace. Keep up the good work fighting this insidious culture .
*If you're not having an honest conversation about the Family court system, then you are not having an honest conversation about fatherlessness.* The rest is just fluff on the periphery.
When I become a father I realized that our civilization is pro work and anti family. Not explicitly, we pretend that it is not the case but in practice it is so. When trying to balance between the two it becomes clear that an inbalance between work and family in favor of work is the "norm" that is harder or even risky to push against. Is a civilization that is anti family inherently sustainable?
Being able to WFH during covid, I got to see my son start to crawl, talk and walk. I had to change employers to be able to do so, as my previous employer was reluctant to let us continue to do the hybrid model.
Great points in the video! The evolution from calculators to AI has not only streamlined our work, making us focus on intellectual tasks, but it's also redefined our work-life balance. CEOs and companies embracing this tech-driven flexibility, like remote work, are seeing huge benefits. It's not just good for employees' work-life balance but also boosts productivity and company innovation. This tech evolution is a game changer for how we work and live!
You can not spend 24/7 with any member of your family especially cooped up in a house. My friend is the "perfect" dad and works a full time job away from home. His son could not receive any more attention or he would be suffocated. The father just needs to be "plugged in" when home from work.
You don't spend 24/7, maybe a few hours - everyone still does stuff by themselves, and you can always go for a run plus you still have your evening to spend on cornhub or whatever it is you want to be alone for. And since you're "cooped up" anyways I'd rather do it with family than alone. So there you go...
One of the consistent problems in the workplace is that every supposed time saving advancement doesn’t actually save any time, the more efficient we become, the more time is demanded of us to achieve even greater levels of efficiency, the department of labor would love to have you believe that professionals are working less hours than ever before, but the reality is they are working more and being paid for less, expectations of at-home or off-duty work that are not paid are on the rise, what a deal for the stockholders eh?
It’s just a tv show is bs, why because pop culture reflects us and what we are. I have respect for myself and will not be lectured on why I am evil or bad for being a normal and simple man.
Just “a” TV show? There’s an anecdote. Almost every TV show? If your missus can’t admit the obvious pattern before her it must be somehow either beneficial for her to ignore, or inconvenient to admit
Without giving credit to a resource, is the resource actually valid? But then isn't this entire situation our fault for not being a home, in the first place? Of course, the parents have to support the family with all means available, but to what extent does this mean? Are families living outside of their means and having to work more than what is expected to 'keep up with the Jones'? When is enough, enough?
Men work to pay the taxes to support the government welfare that has replaced them as fathers in the home. Official policy is incentivised to maintain this status.
Generationally the destruction of Fathers was designed by the current foreign Autocratic captivated Australian social system engineer designers . Creating a better environment for new generation's to be better social psychologically conditioned within the current 'modern Pavlovian Helot social system...
@@shaneashby5890 the real problem is not being generated by Human conscious thinking . Even the controlling maniacs . Are being controlled by self destructive subconscious forces ! It's either a flaw in our evolution or ?
We are not really in the industrial era anymore we are between our and the AI era a sub genre of you like I refer to as the 'commercial era' where everything personal is for sale by you and to you and for you and for the company commercial entity.
The Father is the head of the Family which is the domestic Church. Father's make much better parents because we as men are governed by logic and reason.
Don't think they did. Subsistence farming would have consistent of a large vegetable garden behind the house and maybe a few animals. Not like today where farms are industrial. Kids would also have been involved from an early age, be it farming or hunting or household chores, and had to work alongside their father or mother, both girls and boys. In fact you see this today on small farms or in the developing world. Mind you, during those timds you would likely also have had grandparents and siblings nearby to pool labour and Ressources (for child rearing). Multi generational households were the norm until 100 years ago or so. So you had a grandfather, uncles and your dad all in the same place - someone would probably always be there or nearby.
@TheToolnut hi we r talking in general and i am not from the us, but my impression is that women now r doing everything, men r complaining about everything. Men wouldn't file 4 divorce bc how cosy it is to stay at a clean home in which the woman and other family members r doing the work and u just stay, do nothing, maybe have an affair bc u don't feel "supported " enough . Why would u fill 4 divorce? Woman r now exploited 2 the limits. Now that being said, of course, not every divorce situation is like that.But i believe it is a trend among a significant part. Luckily, yelling on the internet doesn't make the work. Boys grow up in this situations, ppl have relatives in this situations and now a significant part of human kind knows what NOT 2 do
I've been frowned upon because I wanted to be a stay at home father whilst my wife worked, now I'm becoming a saint. My son says he wants to be like me, which is wonderful.
BY not referring to the cultural dimension of the problem you are lumping all men into the same category.Are you 'protecting' one cultural group (who are the prominent offenders in this discussion) by categorising all men/fathers?The breakdown of all families by blaming men is just wrong and unfair.
Why are we listening to this Trout? She knows nothing about what it is like to be a father. She is even telling what is not optional about fathers work habits.
Historically fathers didn't have much if any involvement with their children. Only the mother cared for them. Even in the tradcon marriages currently are the same.
Often it is a godsend for the family when the father's work duties effectively remove them from the children's lives. Same goes for mothers, too, of course. And I dispute her suggestions that it is media or the like which is somehow creating an unfavorable view of fathers. If anything, it's the opposite: media has (at least until very recently) been counteracting the negative image of the father and cultivating a very positive, desirable image of him. She even illustrates this herself when she says that her son loved the dad from the Berenstain Bears. The negative perception of fathers comes from the conduct of real-life fathers. Pretty much all of us either had fathers who were tyrants growing up, or had friends whose fathers were tyrants. And then, as you get older, you realize more and more the extent of diversity (and incompatibility) in human viewpoints, and come to appreciate the shockingly high odds that your kids may well be people you cannot get along with. Thus, parenthood can only play out as either being the same sort of tyrant you spent your whole childhood swearing not to be, or as a lengthy sentence of politely suffering in private anguish through your kids' insufferable presences. So you opt to avoid it entirely.
@@eagle162 The only response I can see from you doesn't clarify much. It just says: "What kind of logic did I just read?" I take it from that that you couldn't follow the logic of my original post, but you don't say what part(s) you were having trouble understanding.
I'm blown away. It's common knowledge nowadays that the lack of father is detrimental to the children... but that just by me going to work my family would become a single-mother family to a degree is a completely new perspective. As a soon-to-be father this is important.
Sure is. My son was born just before covid hit which subsequently sent me to homeoffice. It's always struck me just how much time I was able to spend with my kid instead of being completely absent. There so much you see and experience that most fathers are completely deprived off. And vice versa. It's something that's really stayed with me. I am now on a sabbatical to spend more family time before the kid goes to school. 10/10 can recommend. Obv it is a decision if you want a career, no doubts. We all know where peoples priorities seem to be...
Outstanding and remarkable work exposing the truth Nancy and John! 💯 God bless you! 💯✝️🕊🙏❤️🇮🇱
She reflects a thought I have had for a long time, and that is with the industrial revolution, resulted in the fathers, uncles and older male relatives who would the mentors for young boys being removed from the home and thus the young boys lost their teachers, mentors etc. With that men lost their lore.
But the change of society from family employment in substance farming from the Industrial Revolution is independent of the reduction in importance of fatherhood. I think it is naive to make this connection. This does not negate loyalty and commitment. The negation of those things didn't begin after the IR, though life did change. Fatherhood isn't a static phenomenon that only fits one form of societal arrangement.
Again the industrial revolution was a significant turning point. As you wrote fatherhood is not static and there are a number of aspects I have not cover
ed, such as the Victorian era. I am looking at this from a Anglo-Saxon point of view. There are additional factors that I have not included, including the perspective of Iron John or the effect of two world wars on the male psyche. @@5metoo
@@philliphickox4023 - If you say the industrial revolution removed fathers from the home, how would you distinguish your position from say Southern Agrarianism? I think people make the mistake of not distinguishing a father's presence from a mother's presence. They are very, very different things. Fatherhood is much more a spiritual vocation. I think now there is a romantic view of fathers in effect as co-mommies. It all comes down to how you see masculine love. It's a deep subject but society is now very confused about it, and I don't see the romantics pointing to the industrial as helping to explain the problem of broken families one bit.
My brother was a bad influence and my father was ineffectual at either constraining him or helping me.
"You'll be in trouble when your father gets home!" - not convinced by the argument that it was industrialisation. Things worked fine with discipline until recent decades.
Excellent historical perspective on fatherhood
Speaking as a 62 year old father of two, I totally agree.
Thank you John for addressing these subjects . The treatment of males in this country is a disgrace. Keep up the good work fighting this insidious culture .
*If you're not having an honest conversation about the Family court system, then you are not having an honest conversation about fatherlessness.*
The rest is just fluff on the periphery.
You mean the anti-Family law courts, A.K.A the financial meat grinder for men.
Okay it's a part but it can be the only or arguably even the main cause of fatherlessness.
The problem has been growing over the decades.
@@eagle162 *And the Family court system has been growing for decades.*
@@anthonyhuber-permanentlyre7808yes and I didn't say it wasn't.
2:35 I am one of those fathers! If it hasn't been for the pandemic and hybrid working I would have missed a lot of my children's early years
Same
Finally no father bashing. Fathers are the best thing for children 👊
When I become a father I realized that our civilization is pro work and anti family. Not explicitly, we pretend that it is not the case but in practice it is so. When trying to balance between the two it becomes clear that an inbalance between work and family in favor of work is the "norm" that is harder or even risky to push against.
Is a civilization that is anti family inherently sustainable?
Completely agree 🙏
Being able to WFH during covid, I got to see my son start to crawl, talk and walk. I had to change employers to be able to do so, as my previous employer was reluctant to let us continue to do the hybrid model.
Great points in the video! The evolution from calculators to AI has not only streamlined our work, making us focus on intellectual tasks, but it's also redefined our work-life balance.
CEOs and companies embracing this tech-driven flexibility, like remote work, are seeing huge benefits.
It's not just good for employees' work-life balance but also boosts productivity and company innovation. This tech evolution is a game changer for how we work and live!
Toxic Feminism
You can not spend 24/7 with any member of your family especially cooped up in a house. My friend is the "perfect" dad and works a full time job away from home. His son could not receive any more attention or he would be suffocated. The father just needs to be "plugged in" when home from work.
Yes but the thing is his presence it's not built-in, he has to be concious about it.
Wonder how humanity avoided 'suffocation ' for thousands of years?
You don't spend 24/7, maybe a few hours - everyone still does stuff by themselves, and you can always go for a run plus you still have your evening to spend on cornhub or whatever it is you want to be alone for. And since you're "cooped up" anyways I'd rather do it with family than alone. So there you go...
@@YSLRD
Historically fathers didn't have much if any involvement with the chikdren
@@wyleecoyotee4252that is not true,Nancy goes more in-depth into this in another interview.
One of the consistent problems in the workplace is that every supposed time saving advancement doesn’t actually save any time, the more efficient we become, the more time is demanded of us to achieve even greater levels of efficiency, the department of labor would love to have you believe that professionals are working less hours than ever before, but the reality is they are working more and being paid for less, expectations of at-home or off-duty work that are not paid are on the rise, what a deal for the stockholders eh?
I told my wife this & she told me to lighten up. Its just a TV show.
Have you seen Peppa Pig... it's even worse.
It’s just a tv show is bs, why because pop culture reflects us and what we are. I have respect for myself and will not be lectured on why I am evil or bad for being a normal and simple man.
Just “a” TV show? There’s an anecdote. Almost every TV show? If your missus can’t admit the obvious pattern before her it must be somehow either beneficial for her to ignore, or inconvenient to admit
There speaks an academic who to my knowledge has never run a business. To suggest that all CEO’s embrace remote working is misleading.
You can see that on John Andersons face.
this comment suggests you didn't see the actual benefits of CEOs embracing remote work.
They don't... 😂
How can you replace ER doctors with remote work?
This is exactly why I despise Peppa Pig.
Without giving credit to a resource, is the resource actually valid? But then isn't this entire situation our fault for not being a home, in the first place? Of course, the parents have to support the family with all means available, but to what extent does this mean? Are families living outside of their means and having to work more than what is expected to 'keep up with the Jones'? When is enough, enough?
I will say, my mother loves us more than our father.
My mother would never let her children suffer but my dad definitely would and has.
Men work to pay the taxes to support the government welfare that has replaced them as fathers in the home. Official policy is incentivised to maintain this status.
Generationally the destruction of Fathers was designed by the current foreign Autocratic captivated Australian social system engineer designers . Creating a better environment for new generation's to be better social psychologically conditioned within the current 'modern Pavlovian Helot social system...
It's called cultural Marxism.
@@shaneashby5890 the real problem is not being generated by Human conscious thinking . Even the controlling maniacs . Are being controlled by self destructive subconscious forces ! It's either a flaw in our evolution or ?
We are not really in the industrial era anymore we are between our and the AI era a sub genre of you like I refer to as the 'commercial era' where everything personal is for sale by you and to you and for you and for the company commercial entity.
The Father is the head of the Family which is the domestic Church. Father's make much better parents because we as men are governed by logic and reason.
Men have always worked away from home haven't they? Hunting then farming etc
Or in French "cherchez les femmes"
Don't think they did. Subsistence farming would have consistent of a large vegetable garden behind the house and maybe a few animals. Not like today where farms are industrial. Kids would also have been involved from an early age, be it farming or hunting or household chores, and had to work alongside their father or mother, both girls and boys. In fact you see this today on small farms or in the developing world. Mind you, during those timds you would likely also have had grandparents and siblings nearby to pool labour and Ressources (for child rearing). Multi generational households were the norm until 100 years ago or so. So you had a grandfather, uncles and your dad all in the same place - someone would probably always be there or nearby.
Sons were also more likely to be working at the same place as their fathers.
demand respoect
You have to earn it
If all farther stay at home, as you suggest, countries will collapse. Hospitals, police, public services etc.
At least as much as we need a "mommy track" (and I think we do), we need a "daddy track".
Without God, without Biblical Truth, without the family, we have lept into the abyss.
Satan is pleased.
Fathers being at home is NOT the answer ... children being at work is ... schools are unnatural ... home schooling would be the best alternative
Who watches media ale believe what they say ? 😂😂
Who is this woman looking at off screen?
Something seems to be distracting her.
It will be great if men r bounding more with the family. I see good examples around me.
Just not pretending while your wife is doing it all.Thats not good and not honest. Its distructive to the ppl u love.
It would be great if entitled women weren't initiating divorce eighty per cent of the time.
@TheToolnut hi we r talking in general and i am not from the us, but my impression is that women now r doing everything, men r complaining about everything. Men wouldn't file 4 divorce bc how cosy it is to stay at a clean home in which the woman and other family members r doing the work and u just stay, do nothing, maybe have an affair bc u don't feel "supported " enough . Why would u fill 4 divorce? Woman r now exploited 2 the limits. Now that being said, of course, not every divorce situation is like that.But i believe it is a trend among a significant part. Luckily, yelling on the internet doesn't make the work. Boys grow up in this situations, ppl have relatives in this situations and now a significant part of human kind knows what NOT 2 do
I've been frowned upon because I wanted to be a stay at home father whilst my wife worked, now I'm becoming a saint.
My son says he wants to be like me, which is wonderful.
One word, feminism.
BY not referring to the cultural dimension of the problem you are lumping all men into the same category.Are you 'protecting' one cultural group (who are the prominent offenders in this discussion) by categorising all men/fathers?The breakdown of all families by blaming men is just wrong and unfair.
This man hating has got to stop
Obviously, you're not aware of the current "return to office" trend
dad jokes aren't funny. yea right
God is called "Father". There is alot of God-hatred around.
Why are we listening to this Trout?
She knows nothing about what it is like to be a father. She is even telling what is not optional about fathers work habits.
Historically fathers didn't have much if any involvement with their children. Only the mother cared for them.
Even in the tradcon marriages currently are the same.
60 plus YEARS OF IT ! 😳🧐😡
It's ok, I don't want or need to be a father, there's no reason.
Sad. You've caught the woke mind virus. You're missing out.
Who's got a low view of fathers? I think that is just another way of 'victimising' when it's not necessary.
Who? Society! Are you a woman? What cave do you live in?
Clueless 🤷♂️🤡🤦
Feminists have been peddling their hatred of men for decades.
@@deryk2002au , totally. Seems we have something in common. Juts yours is in green.
@@thesilkpainterWake up mate. The entire Western world has zero respect for fatherhood.
Democrat women
Do we really have such a low view of fathers? Who is we? How low is low? Click bait!
Bitter feminist alert
Often it is a godsend for the family when the father's work duties effectively remove them from the children's lives. Same goes for mothers, too, of course.
And I dispute her suggestions that it is media or the like which is somehow creating an unfavorable view of fathers. If anything, it's the opposite: media has (at least until very recently) been counteracting the negative image of the father and cultivating a very positive, desirable image of him. She even illustrates this herself when she says that her son loved the dad from the Berenstain Bears.
The negative perception of fathers comes from the conduct of real-life fathers. Pretty much all of us either had fathers who were tyrants growing up, or had friends whose fathers were tyrants. And then, as you get older, you realize more and more the extent of diversity (and incompatibility) in human viewpoints, and come to appreciate the shockingly high odds that your kids may well be people you cannot get along with. Thus, parenthood can only play out as either being the same sort of tyrant you spent your whole childhood swearing not to be, or as a lengthy sentence of politely suffering in private anguish through your kids' insufferable presences. So you opt to avoid it entirely.
Speak for yourself. You clearly have serious daddy issues that you're naively projecting onto the world.
What kind of logic did I just read?
@@eagle162 What are you confused about?
@@heatchills4093okay can you see my response? I don't know if something is wrong.
@@eagle162 The only response I can see from you doesn't clarify much. It just says: "What kind of logic did I just read?" I take it from that that you couldn't follow the logic of my original post, but you don't say what part(s) you were having trouble understanding.