90 Day Fiancé - (Mike & Natalie #72) - Alcohol - Therapist Reaction
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ต.ค. 2024
- Dr. Kirk Honda, couples therapist, reacts to 90 Day Fiancé - Mike and Natalie. Includes clips from 90 Day Fiancé, 90 Day Bares All.
Therapist reaction to the reality television.
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Im so happy you’re going to watch Single Life. I primarily watch these shows through you and your analysis now.
Me too! I actually stopped watching the shows but keep watching dr Honda
Me as well!
Me three!! 😂🤣
Me 4. Lol
She progressively got really rigid with her “healthy lifestyle” I know she was like that before but it felt like she moved from promoting her healthy/active life choices to hardcore evangelist really fast. I wonder if it’s because when she moved here, her food and exercise habits were really the only thing she felt she had control of because she didn’t have much else?
Yesss, this is exactly what I was thinking.
Sounds very possible.
I agree. Maybe the later morphed into the former.
That is exactly why. She needed to have control over something. Also she wanted validation. If he obliged, she would say she felt loved by him because he “changed” for her. It makes me feel good and validated.
Hardcore evangelist??? Lmbo! How?
I've never seen two more opposite people trying to be in a relationship. There was no way this was ever going to work. Mike stayed way too long just because he thought Natalie was hot.
It is a reality tv show. There's a chance that they wanted to but had to stay together for the show.
The way some people react when they want another person to participate in alcohol drinking or pot smoking but the other person declines... and then the first person feels perhaps "guilty" or somewhat "judged" about their alcohol or pot consumption... is honestly very similar to how (some!) people react when you are out to dinner with them and they want to order a comfort-food type meal whereas someone else wants a salad or healthy choice. Sometimes they will mock you for your healthy choice, and I suspect it's because they are afraid of being judged for their less-than-healthy choice.
Or even when I'm out with people who want to order meat or fish, and they know I'm vegetarian. I never "preach" my choice not to eat meat to anyone, I actually never mention it unless I'm asked, but people get awfully defensive about THEIR dietary choices -- I think because of that sense of "guilt" or fear of being judged by the other person.
As someone who grew up religious, alcohol drinking and smoking would be a deal breaker for me. I wouldn't be able to tolerate either one to any extent. If my partner insisted on subsisting off take out and fast food, that might probably be another irreconcilable difference because I have celiac disease and therefore my diet is not just another fad. That said, I am not necessarily a gym rat or in favor of restrictive diets without religious beliefs or physical diagnoses to justify their use. This is a category of lifestyle that definitely affects how you would raise any children though, so I would be reticent about having children with someone that did not have similar values about nutrition and exercise (and drugs)..
I would get barraged with questions about why I wouldn't drink and no matter what I said the other person couldn't understand. I learned to limit myself to those situations or sometimes order plain coke, but lie about my drink just to avoid the questions. Some people can get aggressive as if your decision not to drink is an indictment of their behavior rather than a personal choice.
At the very beginning of this segment when Natalie says he's forcing her to drink, the voice answering her back sounds just like Mike's mother's voice. Creeped me out a little bit.
He sounds so weird and whiny sometimes! And there’s something about how he goes up 3 octaves at the end of his sentences sometimes…usually when he’s mad
I looked for the mum!
OMG! I thought I was the only one who heard Mike's mother's voice!
It took me reading this comment to realize it wasn't his mom 😬
Drunks love their company. It's so dysfunctional.
I believe a lot of these men get caught up in marrying beautiful women.
I mean, I don’t think most of them would accept such differences if the women weren’t so beautiful.
Yes I agree, Mike for sure likes her looks. On the other hand, she is looking for someone with financial means of providing a certain lifestyle so that she can pursue her career interests while she pays no bills.
I know that to be true...men will tolerate & ignore a lot in order to be with a woman they have nothing in common with if she's hot...while the more homely chubby girl who lives down the street whom they have everything in common won't be able to get the time of day.
The first thing that came to my mind, was that she always wanted to become a mother. So preparing for motherhood and a child..could also be a factor why she changed her lifestyle. My hypotheses is that she's not able to freely talk about her wishes because she saw mike was hesitant to be with her, let alone have a child with her this soon in te relationship while in the US. It could, in my opinion, explain why she wants mike to be even more healty..to up the chances.
On the Single Life a scene showed her talking to a guy about how she didn't like drinking and told her date that she was uncomfortable with him drinking for her future children. He was so sweet to her he got rid of his drink because he liked her so much. Fingers crossed it works out.
@@dynamopirate470 or maybe cuz he wanted to get laid?😂 she will slap him so no it doesnt work out
@@crazyworld6793 Either way, there are a lot of people who would put less effort.
And if someone throws away a drink, there is little worry that they're an alcoholic. Regardless of the motivation. An alcoholic can't easily throw away a drink.
As a Washingtonian, the repeated use of “Slightly suburban Sequim” is cracking me up.
I live in Vancouver, Wa and it cracks me up too.
What does it mean?
I too would find it difficult to expose my vulnerability to someone who has no qualms telling me I'm a fat, lowlife, "place derogatory, personal insult here" whenever I don't do as they demand.
and then telling you that you're controlling
The way she speaks to him is abusive.
@@cmiller415 Agreed. She was brutally insulting and it wasn't a "lost in translation" type of thing either.
I'm curiosity to see what Natalie would be like dating someone who shares her lifestyles practises.
It will be the most boring relationship ever 😂
@@The.Real.Jalila "Boring" as in possibly functional?
Yow. Functional is my go-to for relationships, and if they're not, I dip fast.
I guess I'd suck at this show. I'd be like the Kaori of the show. I'd have a few episodes where I shut down the drama, and then fade back into my boring life :D
It's so funny that you mentioned his hairdresser! When they introduced her, they had so much chemistry. She likes meat, alcohol, nature. She listened intently. She even admitted she had feelings for him! But I don't think he saw her in a romantic way.
Right because he isn’t physically attracted to her.
Lol...Jovi level of drinking
This behavior is incredibly annoying (l mean Mike's, this time) - l don't drink at all - it's not because of religion or something like that - I just don't like the taste of alcohol, besides I suffer from migraines because of it (even if it's sweet and weak). I'm 37 years old. Every time when I'm with someone, the person insist, that I must drink (and I don't do it) - I feel very triggered, I feel like Natalie, so I understand her completely in this situation.
Maybe Mike is wondering if Natalie changed who she really was when they were dating to get to America and now that she is here the real Natalie has shown up. I can see where it might make him wonder and, in turn, be angry that she possibly manipulated him and pretended to be someone she wasn’t so that he would fall in love with her and bring her to the US. And to be honest I can’t see any other reason for the 180 she has made between drinking with him consistently when she was in the Ukraine and then coming here and not drinking at all. I think most of his suspicion of her stems from the fact that he wonders if she used him for a green card.
It’s interesting how people expect the relationship to stay the same when the other person comes to America and they are confronted with the stresses of every day life as it was when they were basically on vacation without a care in the world.
She started the insults as soon as she entered his home for the 1st time..and the scenes where she called him a lowlife etc. were literally from her 1st week in the USA. He was on defence from day 1 of her arrival. I'm sure he was very hurt and it only went downhill from there.
@@cloo6984 Exactly!
I'm sure it's not the first time he asked her why she doesn't drink. I'll bet he asked eith a judgy tone, too.
I think living so far from any city, by itself, put a lot of pressure on their relationship. And Mike commuting so many hours added to it. If Natalie could have lived near an orthodox church and could have easily gone shopping, out to lunch etc., she would have had more to talk about, and if Mike was home a normal amount of time, they could have gone out more often to movies, museums etc. pre-covid anyway, giving them more to talk about besides what they were eating and drinking. Even with covid they still could have had a bigger variety of things to do than they could in Sequim.
I think Natalie was horrified by how many hours Mike's place was from Seattle and she felt totally trapped at the idea of living in the middle of nowhere for the rest of her life.
I totally agree with this. I think had Mike lived in Seattle, Natalie would have found herself a bit of a community, even in the difficulty or the Pandemic. Even if she could have just left to do errands on her own during the day. And was not alone in the woods waiting for Mike to come home, and then he would go out and spend the night out... totally fine normally but she it so lonely.
These two were in love and their kindergarten communication skills drove them to hate one another in the end. True it is for the best because they never wanted to same things but they could have ended amicably early on once their goal differences were identified.
Truth
Kindergarten kids communicate much better than this couple. 😄
yeah omg it's hard to make a relationship work even with someone who lives right around the corner, speaks the same language, and have lot of similarities as you! the relationships they're trying to make work seem like god mode hard
She’s got a huge issue with alcohol and I’m thinking it’s likely cultural. She blasted a new date for having “A” drink.
I just watched the clip. She saw him have one drink and then in the one on one interview she goes: "I don't want a man obsessed with drinking."
Her issues with alcohol must run super deep.
What is confusing is that her and mike would drink wine and she never had a problem with it
In Chicago, people getting drunk or going to a bar on a 1st date is status quo. It's exhausting. I wouldn't bodyslam someone for drinking but when i found someone that didn't want to meet at a bar i was like JESUS FINALLY
Mayne her ex was drinking? Or both exes!? Russian/ ukranian like to drink.
Alcoholism is a huge problem in Ukraine. As a Ukrainian I’m not a fan of drinking either. I absolutely hate it when my spouse drinks. Hard to change the programming but we just know or seen too many alcoholics that drinking isn’t as “cool” as it is in other countries. It’s not classy. It’s destructive to health, productivity etc. I don’t understand the appeal. Wine is another thing due to “supposed” health benefits and rarely associated with alcoholics in Ukraine. What is it with people and casually drinking being so normalized 😅 like there’s so many ways to spend an evening that doesn’t involve alcohol 🤷♀️ I can see for a special occasion but everyday? Why 🤪
I think Mike wanted his 'trophy' wife. Her looks meant more to him than her personality or lifestyle. This why he won't give the hairdresser the time of day.
My thought would be, you used to drink and now you're not... Does that mean you were only drinking because you thought I expected you to? I'd just feel badly about it if it was anything OTHER than her just deciding she didn't wanna drink anymore which she is indicating with how she seems to be communicating that he forced/coerced her to drink.
Its easy to love someone in 3 week intervolves. when you live with someone for 90 days 24/7 its hard to maintain that mask of putting up your best self. No one is perfect so in 90 days you get to see who that person really is and you have to decide if you can accept all of the bad along with the good.
Is it possible that Mike may use alcohol as a method to be vulnerable, whilst also avoiding rejection? That is, he may use it to enable himself to be vulnerable, but in the case that he is rejected, he can just dismiss him expressing his true feelings by saying "oh I was just drunk".
90 day fiancee is a gateway Dr*g to other spinoffs lol
I can imagine Mike saying "come on, relax, have a drink" as Natalie mean mugs him about his meat and beer diet lmao
I think Mike's complained about Natalie switching up her personality on many things. Like the "I'm outdoorsy" to "I'm a city girl" once she moved to the US. Seems like she may have pretended to be his type of lady until she got the ring.
Anyway, I've triggered an alcoholic by my mere existence once. It was a Christmas party when a co-worker asked me why I wasn't drinking. I told her because I don't like it and she assumed that I "stopped" drinking because I was an alcoholic.
It was a weird, awkward assumption to make. So I quietly said uh no, then she giggled, said she was a lush and walked away.
She goes on a date with a guy on Single Life and they meet in a bar. The guy showed up first and ordered a drink and she freaked out and it seemed like she was going to immediately cancel the date until the guy walked his drink back to the bar.
She might have some trauma related to alcohol, but she communicates about it in the worst possible way. I mean if it’s that big a deal why meet in a bar?
Lavinder, I have to agree on all points with you up to the experience with the 'lush'. Been there. LOL
Yea for some reason ppl always "assume" that!
(Alcoholic)
This is awkward, I’m usually fashionably late.
🤣🤣
As someone who doesn't drink I understand Natalie's perspective. I've been in situations where even genuine curiosity about why I choose to not drink can become frustrating to the point of wanting to remove myself from the space. I am lucky to have found a partner who isn't a heavy drinker, however his family are and keep waiting for the day that I start. This can be annoying but I know they are mostly joking and accept (not necessarily understand) that I don't drink. Based on my own experiences, I suspect that Natalie isn't just upset or talking about this one instmace and that it is possible Mike's been asking her to drink multiple times previously and that this was the boiling point. Being told you have to drink to have fun feels like you're being shamed and labeled a party pooper and no one wants to be thought of that way.
I think they both have entirely different perspectives on what constitutes "healthy". Mike is much more laid back and will kind of eat and drink anything.
Natalie holds herself to a different standard and that's perfectly okay!
You have to either merge these differences or they test you apart.
They both should accept this about each other and stop feeling insecure about their own choices and stop shaming the other.
I'm curious of why some people are so resistant to any change. My husband is somewhat like that, "it's just the way I am". Just feels like you're the only one working on relationship at that moment. But I feel like there's something behind it because otherwise he's an amazing person. I just can't quite put my finger on it
My partner is like this as well, particularly when he gets stressed and we have conflict. For him I *think* what he is going through in those moments (based on what he has told me) is he feels like the world is crashing down and he is trying to maintain his own well-being, so when we have a conflict where he might have to step up/change something that he is doing, it is like the straw that breaks the camel's back (or that's how he perceives it in the moment) in terms of the effort he is putting forth. I try to understand and be forgiving, but it can honestly be quite difficult at times. We are still very much working on this!
Could something similar be happening with your husband?
@@megapiglatin2574 Thank you for your experience! Honestly, I don't know if it's that or something else, because he wouldn't explain. I'm not sure if he knows himself, he's not too connected to his feelings. I'm always asking him to tell me what he is feeling about situations, so he could listen to himself more often. Is there anything that makes your partner open up to you more?
@@sm_Llama Ooo that is tough, but it sounds like you are doing great prompting him to check-in with himself!
Good question....we are fairly open about how we are feeling and we both check in on each other's feelings on a daily basis--I think that really helps in terms of being more vulnerable. We are still working on being more forthcoming in times of conflict or perceived conflict though (that's on me too--I am trying to tune into and more directly communicate my feelings at those times). I have also been working on reassuring him that his emotions are okay and that I want to support him but I need him to be able to tell me directly if he is feeling a certain way (i.e. anxious, wants to be alone, etc.,) so that I can respond appropriately. It's all still very much a work in progress, haha!
I hope it all works out with you and your husband! Have you guys tried seeing a therapist? We started to but haven't been able to schedule another meeting with the therapist recently--my partner is willing to see the therapist, but wary of trusting him fully at the moment.
Oh yes a lot of ppl are very uncomfortable with changes, especially the elderly...even little ones, it seems to scare them
Atmosphere is important. Maybe if Mike would have moved to the Ukraine, theyd still be together? He got to be different there. Maybe a better self. When my ex and i were in the UK where he lived, it was several weeks that were magical. He came to US and it wasnt the same. Different vibe. Ambiance may make a difference?
Probably more the hard reality of living in a new country...
It might have made him more amenable to compromising his values short-term since he would be somewhat disadvantaged with the language and culture. Bottom line, I think both of them thought they could lie by omission to get the other one to compromise and it backfired irrevocably.
@@maam-yj8ph very good observation....
And it seems more to me that Natalie was worried about her image on camera, esp when it came to what her mother thinks.
Also, they were dating for 2 yrs and engaged by the time we met them. He'd been back and forth to Ukraine many times.
I think she said on single life they were together for 4 or 5 years. And yes i agree. She is obsessed with her mother.
@@crazyworld6793 yes and her mother is equally obsessed with her, I couldn't believe when I heard her mother call her, her "golden child " oy! No wonder Natalie is a narcissist
@@MsLiberty101 true
Ok so if you can’t live in the same country without getting married how are you supposed to decide if you want to get married before living together?
Coming from a very rural area where drinking is a very regular, casual thing, that we do to wind-down/bond, I can kinda see where they're both coming from. It's so normal to us to head home and have a beer or two with friends, so when someone doesn't do that it feels off. It can also feel like we're being judged because we start to see our drinking habits through someone else's eyes. I can also see how she would view it as problematic drinking (because it technically is), so she would likely pull away from it even more. They just do not talk openly or honestly, and it is so frustrating to watch haha
The united states has a huge addiction problem and alcoholism should be treated more serious. I applaud Natalie for not drinking!!!more people need to get sober!!!!
But Natalie does drink alcohol..she just doesn't drink beer.
@@cloo6984 exactly.
Whenever Dr Honda talks about pot I'm always like "Oh no! Is he disappointed in me?!" But then I remember he lives in the weed capitol of the US, and I feel a little better lol 😂
Hahahaha
He'd probably say if you occasionally smoke pot for relaxation and enjoyment, no big deal; but when you're using it as a coping mechanism to deal with stress, anxiety, or problems in life, then it may be better to seek a therapist. :)
Washington is NOT weed capital. California.... California #1
@@mistym0rning I have a therapist and I had an anxiety attack last night and I took a bong rip and it really helped me catch my breath. Also it really helps me to let go and move on after a fight with my husband. I had 2 surgeries last year and the pain meds were so-so.... one bong rip and the pain was subdued instantly... I could not believe it.
I always found those two extremely toxic together. It seems like they both lied a lot and together its just bombs going off
I agree. I really don't understand why these two have stayed together as long as they have. I would have noped out a long time ago. I think this relationship is what happens when people get so desperate they try to change the other person to avoid compromising their values. I would rather be up front that these are my deal breakers that do not align with my core values.
I'm so glad that Natalie was in Saint Petersburg, Florida. I hope she got to experience the tea bars they have on central ave because a lot of people love the kava, kratom and other alternatives to alcohol.
I absolutely understand what she's saying about him pressuring her to drink.
Dr. Kirk please listen to her because you completely glossed over the fact that he was drinking and driving while they had that argument.
He was??? I didn't see that...well in my day that was the norm but I'm glad that has changed.
Does the fact that I agree with Mike about Natalie suddenly not wanting to drink anymore and having this kind of reaction to him asking her is weird and annoying make me an alcoholic?
😂 good one
I really feel for Natalie in this particular issue. "Why don't you drink?" is such a weird question for me because I never know what single reason I should say. Drunk people scare me? I had a specific traumatic event with my sister's party when I was very young? I hate the taste and smell? I don't like the culture surrounding alcohol? I've only felt sick (full on vom) and dizzy when I tried it? It's like no answer is the real "reason" and people can be weirdly judgemental about this and call you "crazy" or immediately assume some weird shit about you just because you don't drink. Oh, and also if you mention it (usually because it's relevant) people often draw the conclusion that you talk about being alcohol-free all the time and think it's a big personality trait. No, I specifically try not to bring it up even though I feel strongly about it because people are weird. I even want to delete this comment now but I'll keep it this time because Dr. Honda's channel is a pretty safe zone.
Natalie is playing her word games already. She's shouting drink....he means a beer. She later admits her wine drinking doesn't count as drinking. Also hard liquor is OK. So everyone hears her shouting about forced drinking, even Dr Honda assumes, but she eventually says she doesn't want beer it's low class. Not about "drinking".
When she refuses beer in a pub she is self-righteous, freaks about root beer and others wouldn't feel comfortable at her glaring at them while she had a coffee.
Yess
I totally get her frustration. Mike seems to judge her all the time and accuse her of being uptight and that makes her sad and upset and she avoids him because of the hurt that she experiences… it’s a vicious circle but I think that Mike is mostly responsible for that because he is not supportive and he only criticizes kinda looking down on her
True but she's equally as judgemental and criticize him as well...there were no acceptances of each others differences
Gosh I forgot about this. Now seeing Natalie on The Single Life, actively looking for another man and meeting another man at the bar, is disturbing. Then getting mad Bc he has a drink, at a bar. She didn’t learn her lesson! Go meet a man at a coffee shop or church- don’t go to a bar Natalie! She often does a bait-&-switch . Why not just actively try to find a man she actually has something in common with,? Instead she will get upset in a year Bc a man didn’t completely drop alcohol for her!
The alliteration: ...in slightly suburban Sequim
Maybe Natalie simply wanted to make Mike look bad so she could divorce him.
Maybe a drink with their meal or out to celebrate with friends in the Ukraine was the norm...but Europeans usually have responsible daily drinking, whilst Americans, Brits, and the Irish are known to get totally smashed every night out or at home/hotel. I wouldn't doubt if he drinks more daily than what she's used to...like outside of a drink with a meal, like a beer or a few after work, then before bed, and maybe a few at dinner too. That's a lot for a european...but perfectly ok in the states.
There was another possibility... that Mike had already been drinking and she did not want to ride with a drunk driver.
I’ve been waiting for you to get into this one. I’m finding watching Natalie navigate her single life is fascinating and cringe at the same time. She comes across very child-like and acts very young especially when she’s near a man she’s after. It’s hard to watch.
That car is huge!
Most men with big trucks tend to be jeeks, speaking from my experience on the road.
As a pot head I don't care if people smoke with me or not. I smoke bc I have sever eating problems and I'll often completely forget or avoid eating without it. Since eating is a necessary every day occurrence, I need to smoke at least 3 times a day.
I think people like Mike get really prideful about “just answer the question” instead of just owning their own feelings
I wonder if having a few drinks when hanging out overseas was fine to her - and now that she’s over here she saw that he drank everyday and wasn’t going to participate in his addictive behavior.
Natalie has a flair for drama, yes? Lol their fights honestly escalate because all of her reactions tend to be grandiose and it's uncalled for. Mike is definitely infuriating, but she didn't get back in the car because she is a drama queen lol
After watching her on the new season of The Single Life, I feel like there is a very good chance she is way over reacting about the drinking. I’m curious to see what Dr. Honda says about her behaviour on the latest episodes.
Studying psychology and think of my exam tomorrow, maybe she has adaptability disorder. She's argumentative and isolated 🙂
OK--I always got the feeling that her talking about the ideas she used to have about him were in part ruined by seeing where and how he lives, what his lifestyle is like, where he fits into US society, etc. She can be very entitled and rude to him, and she seems to feel like he's beneath her--or at least tells herself that because she's uncomfortable with the life she is living there. But idk, even the way she haughtily walks away from him gave me very weird performative vibes. Definitely not defending him, but she seems to have limited awareness of her behavior, almost to the degree of someone like Ari, in my opinion
and just the irony of her calling him controlling, without seeing that in herself when she insults his intelligence, tells him how to dress and wants him to be a vegetarian
In all their visits, and Skype calls she never asked if he lived in a big city or on a farm, or on a houseboat? Her shock was her own fault if it was real.
@@joywebster2678 5000000000% agree
She's an actress. I laughed at how she walked away as well.
Can you please react to Christine from Selling Sunset??
Doc please watch Nathallie single life for us
I suspect that by not drinking here and getting overly upset, she's setting up excuses to break up with Mike in the future, after they're married and she has a green card.
I also think Mike was using a straw man (?) argument when he said he didn't "force" her to drink. Natalie didn't say he was "forcing" her, just being pushy and argumentative about it. But Mike can deny that he "forced" her.
It really irks me when the couples talk about how 90 days is too short for you to decide on marriage because that's not what the 90DF visa is for!! It's for couples who are legit already dating (or have dated for a while) to plan their wedding and details like moving to a new country. I hate how the 90DF franchise has made this into a totally incorrect process in viewers' minds.
Interesting how she can be so forceful about his lifestyle choices she does not approve of but if he inquires about her now not drinking she’s losing it.
have a drink with mike lmao
Bazinga! Good Jovi burn 🔥
They are great people separately but together 🙅🏾. They have no shared values the only think that brought them together is being the god parents to their friends’ child.
She's a drama queen. That's why she left the car.
I am my own haircut person.
Man, people throw the word "abuse" around pretty willy-nilly.
Good luck Mike with your shaved head hairdresser
Omg I just forgot her creapy eyes 🙄
The Strokes!
For Natalie - 🎻 (I wonder if Natalie has different sets of standards for men she dates, versus men she's gonna marry?)
They didnt show it so did he really make that big of a deal of it or did he ask her once and typical Natalie got up and made a scene. Her morals arent the highest since seeing she is living with and having sex with a man she isnt married to. Mike doesnt seem like the type who would go on and on about drinking a beer. But I wasnt there
I cant help but still feel like therapy could have genuinely saved their relationship
They are just a terrible match and she is insufferable
Natalie new from when she was in Ukraine that Mike drank she should have never married him if she didn't like men drinking. This was a red flag don't get married to him.
It was more like Mike offered, and she said no, and he's asked follow up questions because he just wanted to get to know her more and wants to understand her. I don't think he ever tried to force or pressure her, he just probably thought she'd be his drinking buddy sometimes because I'm sure she drank with him before and he's curious about the change in mindset. She definitely blew this out of proportion.
Also we saw her react to the BEER, a low class drink in her mind, vs her preference for wine, and hard alcohol. She often spits out, Beer at him when he has one after work, but she's having vodka. So it isn't abstinence issue, it's the CHOICE of drink.
@Joy Webster See, it's not really that though. I think drinking didn't used to be an issue until her mother gave her a hard time about it and I think she was playing it up a bit for the cameras. I believe she is being anti alcohol to show her mom and family back home that she's not just drunk all the time on TV. She's also not drinking on the Single Life.
@@technicolortabby4239 but she drinks wine constantly, everytime she was with her gf they consumed a bottle on camera. So explain that please since YOU are the expert. And u are ignoring the data about her saying beer is low class.
Something tells me that Michael wasn’t forceful towards Natalie.
She even said that she drink wine not beer beacuse its low class
I feel so attacked by your discussion on marijuana use Dr. Honda (it’s legal where I’m from) 😅
omg same! I was like "I feel very attacked right now!" *Insert RuPaul audio clip*
It's legal where he's from as well.
Mike is only trying to survive her behavior: Natalie does overreact always and he just drinks beer. Mercy, Natalie!
I HOPE YOU CAN HELP NATALIE! 😇🥰🤗 deb in SC
PS: Got so concerned about her from beginning and had to stop watching the Trainwreck! (No disrespect)
Honestly. Look at her! Does a Child deserve her?
From what we've seen in Natalie in the past, it sort of seems like they had fun drinking together in Russia, then before she came to the states, she decided that she didn't want to drink anymore, and now is judging him for drinking and his confusion about her apparent 180.
She has big manipulation energy, and as usual, kinda seems to point to her religiosity/morality when it she can use it against someone to look superior. Also..... She's a complete drama queen in everything she does, soooooo. 🤦🏼
She moved to Miami lol Goodluck not drinking there! 🍹 girl you need a mojito just chilllllllll
And she is having dates in bars
Misunderstanding? She doesn't own him an explanation sillly goose
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OH SNAP!!! I smoke weed every day and my husband doesn't or I have friends that do it and then don't and it totally doesn't bug me one bit!!!!! Yay!!!! But no heavy drinking kinda scared me, and my family HELLA tries to pressure me to drink and I pretend to so they buzz off lol.
Thats super manipulative if he's turning off his mic from time to time. And that is a red flag for abuse... the abuser won't want to be recorded or for you to jot down notes... it catches them off guard hard core.
💯 Also recording in secret is super abusive, and you can almost tell when that happens too, they're very focused on what they want to achieve. It's their way or the highway. If the conversation isn't going how they imagine, they can throw you under the bus and threaten with law, public shame or something. Manipulators HATE not being in control, so they're looking for ways to do so
Idk... I wouldn’t want every messy conflict with my partner on TV either though.
Dr honda! watch single life. Its already 3 episodes out. Natalie is going out in a bar for dates... its so weird. If she doesn't like alco why go there?