The Surprising Truth About My New Car-Topable Skiff
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 พ.ค. 2024
- You asked for it so here you have it!! mMy first impressions regarding my new car-topable skiff! I make a quick reminder of the build prerequisites and tell you my opinion on handling and performance of this supper little skiff.
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Inspiring. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks!
Thanks for your support! 😉
Liked, in advance of viewing, because we are never disappointed.
Same
Thanks guys! 😉
Thank you Teo :)
Very useful series for me as I plan to build one myself.
Thank you for your support! 😉
I can't get over the square boat thing but damn it looks fast and easy
Thanks Teo, one of our guys has nearly finished building his Goose, I can't wait to see it up close, cheers Paul
Cool 👍 thanks Paul!
Parabéns, Teo! O desempenho e vantagens deste veleirinho sobre os caros e elitistas barcos tradicionais é um verdadeiro tapa de luva naqueles que torcem o nariz para ele. Um abraço do Brasil.
Abraço Felipe!
I'm stunned at how stable this little craft was and the way it flies across the water is beautiful. You've really designed and built a marvelous little boat, well done.
Hi,
It's a great design but it's not mine it's by Michael Storer! 😉
Looks like a great boat for learning to sail. Fast fun and best of all not overly expensive. Thank you for sharing. You have added greatly to the available info for building this interesting craft.
Thank you Paul
I had to laugh at your comment about the tiller extension at 6:00. Where you are concerned about hitting Marina with the tiller extension. I sail a Mosquito catamaran, and the joke on our boat is that the tiller extension, around 1,5m long, is the "crew motivation device". So if my wife doesn't go through the tack fast enough, I give her a quick tap with it (unintentional, I promise !)
🤣🤣🤣🤣
A fantastic result, well done!
I'm guessing the goose is about to get a bowsprit and a jib
That would look super nice i bet!
That would be brilliant
I guess he will try his GIF sail on the Goose 😉
The GIS sail is too big for the Goose mast unfortunately. I could use it with one reef I guess.
Using a jib will affect helm balance, but I could have a big genoa for beam reach or when running.
Thanks again Teo. Enjoying the tests.
Are you familiar with the work of Phil Bolger? He was an often criticized naval architect, but since his square boats usually outperformed more traditional craft he managed to gain a pretty decent following. Your boat seems to move out really well, so you are on your way to having a great boat. 👍
Hi,
Yes I do know some of the designs, I can't say I am a fan but some are really good. My favorite is the Chebacco.
arguably, the Goose and other boxy boats have their roots in the Bolger Brick :) yeah, the man called it what it was :P
@@TheBoatRambler Which one? There is a cold molded version, a plywood version and a lapstrake version. The lapstrake boat is the prettiest one, but I think they all sail about the same. I haven't owned any Bolger boats, but I've sailed a few of them and they are surprisingly agile and balanced. He designed some 700+ boats, but many were drawn up for very specific purposes. Like the Portuguese Moliceiro and the Dutch Skutje, they function extremely well in the environment they were designed for, but when you take them out of their native waters they fall short of meeting general expectations. With Bolger designs you have to read what specific requirements he was trying to meet rather than looking at which boat looks the best.
@@pinoyboats He was a master when it came to sharpies. Many years ago up in Minnesota I was involved in building several Farrier folding tri's like the F9A, and through that got to sail quite a few home built boats including a few Bolger designs. Can't say I like external framing and off-center center-boards and such, but can't fault his boats for handling and sailing. He also designed the Egg Harbor (43 ft?), a very highly regarded power boat with traditional looks and excellent sea manners. His square boats made a mockery of tradition and it wouldn't be funny if they didn't sail well :))
I would build the plywood Chebacco ofc! 😁
Thanks Teo.
I have an Ocean Explorer, the baby brother of the Goose with Perttu's cabin modifications. It also sails remarkably well. I hope to see lots of sailing videos from you.
Thanks Bruce
I want to tell something about the void spaces on each side. You could fill it with Styrofoam.
EN:
Hi Teo,
You could fill the empty spaces on each side with Styrofoam.
I think it would increase the robustness of the construction, without increasing the weight too much, and the boat would be completely unsinkable, even if something broke or punctured.
It's just an idea.
Good winds and MANY congratulations on your construction!
PT:
Olá Teo,
Poderias preencher os espaços vazios, em cada lado, com esferovite.
Penso que aumentaria a robustez da construção, sem aumentar muito o peso, e o barco ficava completamente inafundável, mesmo que quebrasse ou furasse qq coisa.
É só uma ideia.
Bons ventos e MUITOS parabéns pela tua construção!
Hi Rui,
I'm absolutely against filling wooden boat tanks with styrofoam.
-to fill the 500liter tanks with styrofoam would add 10kg to the boat, that's a 25% increase on the weight of this hull.
- it would not let me see if the boat has a leak somewhere nor remove that water effectively
-it would lead to wood rot.
-it would not allow me to put any gear inside the tanks through hatches.
The skiff already has 4 125L independent watertight compartments, you would need to make 5 holes in specific places to sink the boat.
Abraço,
teo
@@TheBoatRambler Hi Teo,
I never thought of it that way. Your description and justification is very well explained. You are absolutely right.
Thank you for your good advice.
I'm thinking about building a small OZ goose model, about 1 meter wide or less, to learn and test my building skills.
Here, in Madeira, is very difficult to find good materials and they are very expensive, so we will see if i can build that model.
A hug,
Um abraço,
Rui
I would love to see a practice capsize! I would also like to see how hard you have to work to make it capsize.
Hi Doug,
I will definitely do capsize tests, it's important for every skipper to know what it takes to both capsize and self-rescue.
I'm a believer. Converted my two man racing dinghy (Snipe) to a lug and allows me to single hand safely and comfortably. 12' two by four for mast. I made two sails with their own boom and and yard so no need to reef, just switch them out while sailing; one has 12' boom and 10' yard, the other has 10' boom and 8' yard by just cutting a two by four in half lengthwise..
I like that you focused on a cartop boat as so many people have no space for a trailer, great video.
Thank you Rob!
Great Teo. When my Goat is finished I may give the Goose a shot.
😁
Glad you like the Goose - can't wait to see the cartop loading contraption you come up with!
There are a few simple ways of doing it but they require flipping the boat first, which is easy but if done on a hard surface would scuff the boat. So I'm trying to make a loader that can load the boat from the trolley.
sounds like a keeper.
Thanks Teo for making this vid. Was looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
My pleasure!
Awesome, Teo - what a great outcome:-) I think everything that you hoped for, and not much tweaking to do.
Now I need to make a few small mods to prepare it for cruising. 😁
It did look fun! Also good to know it is very stable. Good for a beginner.
It really is! and for anyone wanting a relaxed sail even it happens at great speed!
@@TheBoatRambler I wish I had the space to build one! (Also my wife would not be happy if I did)
🤣
Thanks for all the details, Teo. I am modifying my Goose this spring, first addition is a hiking strap.
Yes you do need a hiking strap! Have fun!
Congratulations on the beautiful work of building your boats and for your talent in sailing, I'm in the state of Bahia in Brazil, learning with you, thank you.👋⚓
Obrigado!
Thankyou for a great review, I did see the first sail and it was, as you say"brilliant" I wonder what a bigger version 15' or 18' would do? Sorry just thinking out loud. Love your work and enjoy your content
👍😎
Thanks Craig
I'm happy this worked as well as it did for you... obviously a few minor issues but overall, a huge success and meeting your objectives for the most part.
Just a thought that occurred to me when you talked about the bottom being a little "flexible" in the chop... The idea I had was fairly simple; you could form some inner frames similar to that of a hollow SUP ... that'd stiffen up the bottom, and not add significantly to the weight.
I don't want to add more than 1 kg to the boat with whatever mod I make to solve that issue. I already have some hatches that will add some weight too.
Maybe it's just ok and I get used to the flexible bottom... After all they sail them like this in the Philippines!
I'm sure that Mik would be very happy with that review.
Hmm. Boat loader? Would be interested in seeing what you knock together Teo
Hi buddy,
nothing special, it's just similar to other I have seen on YT. And tbh it could be as simple as a removable beam sticking out to the side of the roof rack to support the bow first while I lift and get the transom up on the roof rack.
But you know me....😅
You convinced me. I am going to build one.
Awesome! 😁
Great review, seems to have ticked your boxes very well so far.
Yep! Now I need more time sailing her! 😁
Congratulations on a good build. The stability of this craft is great to see and looks a real fun dink to sail. I am making one but 10 feet long, same sailing setup and straight topsides as making it folding with hinges on the top. I will use some lines along the bottom to clam cleats at the bow tensioned to stop it folding when in use. I have made 1:8 and 1:4 scale models and it looks ok.
Cool! Hope it all works out! 😉
On the matter of holding the main sheet. Have you used a ratcheting block (I don't know if that is the right name)--which has a sheeve that only spins in one direction? I understand that the extra friction of the sheet having to slide over the sheeve when being let out reduces the losd on the hands--and makes it easier to hold in a fixed position. Of course, the surface of the sheeve is slippery, so the sheet goes out easily in light airs when there is little load on the sheet--and in heavy winds, the extra load on the sheeve increases the friction.
I've always sailed large boats, so I have no direct experience of this block.
Hi Ian,
The block on the boom is a ratchet block, still it's the way you have to grip the mainsheet that makes it tiring on the hand comparing to having it coming off the ratchet block on the floor.
Very cool, I am interested how she handles swell on the nose and across the gunnel. Where i sail the swell is large and can get messy. Flinders Victoria Australia. Could you try rigging the main off the rear traveler. a little like roger barnes in his ilur. I have a one off designed 13 foot dingy with a gaff rigg bermuda with no boom and a loose clew sheet. the rear main sheet works well as i can hold the tiller and sheet in the one hand. Some racing pacers also has a rear rigged main sheet. it may change the shape of your sail and the downward force on the boom. perhaps ask micheal storier.
Thanks for your feedback.
I'm not sure if the boom is stiff enough to be secured just at one point. It can bend and create more sail depth exactly when I don't need it or even break.
I have to try placing an extra block somewhere half way between the mid seat and the traveler.
You could try a ratchet block on the main sheet. When the line is tensioned, the ratchet holds and you can control it with 2 fingers. It's great for relieving the fatigue of gripping the line and also great when crew doesn't have the hand strength to hold it for long periods.
The block on the boom is a ratchet block, still it's the way you have to grip the mainsheet that makes it tiring on the hand.
@@TheBoatRambler Could you run as is but through two more blocks on the floor? One forward where you would expect a maon sheet block to be and the ratchet block aft so the sheet is running from your hand directly down to the floor near your feet whil you have crew on board?
Hi Brendan,
I already have one block by the mid seat for when I sail solo. I had thought of securing another to the hiking strap halfway through so that the sheet comes off the bottom. Need to try it and see if we both can move freely while tacking. My biggest concern is the tiller extension.
The main sheet issue hits home; having a bit of stiffness in my hands. I wonder if a simple wooden turning hook on the dagger board case ( keeping the ratchet block in place) would give you a bit of friction without locking in the line? With all of that form stability I would worry about it sailing away if you fell out, this way it could still run free. Fantastic series of videos!
I have a block on the mid seat on the hiking strap attachment. It works great foe soloing but it makes it awkward for the crew to move around when tacking. I might put a block halfway on the hiking strap and give it a go.
Thanks Teo. One question, how loud is the goose? It seems in the launch video to generate a lot of noise coming out of the hollow boxes?
Looks great, thanks. Specific dimensions: length (12ft?), beam (4ft?), weight (50 kilos?), sail area, and board up and down would be appreciated.
Length 3.66 m (12′), Beam 1.25 m (4′ 2″), Weight 57 kg (125 lb ) , Sail Area 8.3 m² (89 sq ft), Draft 0.8m (32").
Board up I don't know but maybe 5cm(2")?
Great result & thanks for sharing your views. With the extra righting moment of a Oz Goose to a GIS, would it be worth adding an additional purchase to the mainsheet and leaving it on the boom? The biggest advantage I find with off boom sheeting is reducing clutter in the cockpit & space for tacking.
And space for crew.
I will see if a block halfway through the hiking strap's length will allow us to move freely during tacking...if the tiller extension doesn't get caught it could work.
How do you keep the boat when not sailing - under some kind of tarp or upside down to avoid rainwater from getting in?
Hi,
It is kept at the club under a tarp.
Does that mean the goat will gather dust? I found a ratchet block assists with tired hands holding the main sheet (I have a similar rig), might be worth trying. Does the stability of the goose mean we wont be seeing a capsize practice (it looks like it would be hard to get over)?
Hi Rob.
I already have a ratchet block on the boom.
I have been sailing the estuary with my GIS for 5 seasons. This summer I want to sail the lights out of the Goose and in different venues. That doesn't mean I wont sail the GIS now and again.
As for capsizing, I MUST do capsize practice as one should always know what it takes to self-rescue on the boat you're sailing.
@@TheBoatRambler I am feeling sheepish as I still haven’t done my capsize. The water always seems too cold and I always want to sail instead…
hi, do you think its easy to row or motor as well
I know you can use a 2.5HP outboard effectively, as for rowing only small distances I would expect, but I haven't tried it.
Motor:facebook.com/GrampaJack/videos/986377842092342
Rowing:th-cam.com/video/57lxRtouFfY/w-d-xo.html