10 Bizarre Ways You Could End Up Immortal

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  • An exploration of 10 Bizarre Ways You Could End Up Immortal, and even the idea of becoming immortal twice.
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  • @GLGC688
    @GLGC688 ปีที่แล้ว +394

    Isn't the "dead by 30" thing a myth? It was infant mortality that brought the life expectancy down, but people did live past their 30s and even 50s back then. They just had to make it past childhood.

    • @venicec3310
      @venicec3310 ปีที่แล้ว

      It is but dying early was overall pretty common a cut that gets infected is enough to kill you

    • @danae2882
      @danae2882 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      Some did live past 30, most didn’t. Today some live past 90, most don’t…

    • @RaimoKangasniemi
      @RaimoKangasniemi ปีที่แล้ว +52

      Some people lived long lives (by the standards of their own times), but they were a very small minority. Someone like the Holy Roman emperor Otto I could live to die a natural death at the age at 60, but his eldest legitimate son Liudolf died a natural death at age of 27 as did Liudolf's son duke Otto (who might have reached 28), and Otto I's younger legitimate son and successor Otto II died a natural death at age of 28 while his son Otto III died a natural death at age of 21. Otto I's illegitimate son archbishop Wilhelm died at 38 or 39. Pope Gregory V, the great-grandson of Otto I, died at age 26 or 27. Gregory V's brother count Henry died around the age of 20. Henry's son, emperor Conrad III reached the mighty age of around 49.

    • @norml.hugh-mann
      @norml.hugh-mann ปีที่แล้ว +38

      ​@@RaimoKangasniemi they were all poisoning each other for inheritance and power...and by everybody else

    • @FuneralProcession
      @FuneralProcession ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Look up average age in saharan countries
      Some of them are down at 18 y. avg.
      Right now, today :(

  • @vonwux
    @vonwux ปีที่แล้ว +302

    Biological immortality might sound like a good idea but imagine how many odd socks you would have after a few millenia

    • @BronzeDragon133
      @BronzeDragon133 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Near zero. I discard all odd socks about every six months.

    • @nickscurvy8635
      @nickscurvy8635 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      ​@@BronzeDragon133 there would be entire planetary systems filled up as landfills for odd socks in that case

    • @atlwoo
      @atlwoo ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@BronzeDragon133same !

    • @rudra62
      @rudra62 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      None. After some period of time, an identical odd sock would appear, making the original odd sock and its now-identical mate no longer odd.

    • @MarshallTheArtist
      @MarshallTheArtist ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You buy socks that don’t match all of your others?

  • @calvingreene90
    @calvingreene90 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    That cyclic universe theory is just terrifying.
    Going through my childhood once was too many.

    • @Tethloach1
      @Tethloach1 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Anything that is greatly profound is terrifying, acceptance is key, embrace it.

    • @JackoBanon1
      @JackoBanon1 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      In the theory of the multiverse you live your life forever and in all possible outcomes in some parallel universe.
      You live your current life an infinite amount of times and you live your life with just small or big changes an infinite amount of times.
      In one universe you watch this video now while in the other you watch a video about cat babies.
      In another universe you are actually a millionaire or engaged to a celebrity.
      And all of those lifes repeat themselves an infinite amount of times.
      That's really a scary thought.

    • @UltraK420
      @UltraK420 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JackoBanon1 I strongly suspect that we exist again and again because if time is infinite then there's no way an infinite amount of time has actually passed since your last period of existence, perhaps it was an extremely and absurdly long amount of time like 100,000,000,000,000,000,000¹⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰ eons or maybe not as long but eventually we should exist again once all of the exact parameters line up in such a way that your brain and body are produced inside your mother again down to the very last atom or particle that makes you who you are. The only thing about that last part is there's supposedly a period of about 5 years or so in which all of your bodily atoms have been replaced by new ones, so how exactly do we remain as ourselves if our atoms are recycled? Perhaps only the initial configuration matters and if that's the case then all we need is time. It doesn't seem like we perceive any passing of time at all when we're dead or nonexistent, so it could be an instantaneous birth into your next life with you only perceiving time again once you are born.

    • @scorch4299
      @scorch4299 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      noooooooooo dont send me back to Uncle Touchy!

    • @ctvxl
      @ctvxl ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes it is. My instinct though is that infinite cycles probably do not exist in nature. The concept of infinity opens up too many weird possibilities. I suspect nature does not allow it.

  • @protocol6
    @protocol6 ปีที่แล้ว +97

    The multiverse immortality thing can be pretty creepy. I know one scifi author posited that everyone who ever lived has, somewhere in the multiverse, outlived everyone else and gone insane due to loneliness at the end of time. These insane creatures become Lovecraftian old ones bent on destruction of the multiverse through meddling with time travel to manipulate events in the past.

    • @kier_eli
      @kier_eli ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Whoah

    • @SHDUStudios
      @SHDUStudios ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Is this a book? If it is I need to read it.

    • @nickhartman6372
      @nickhartman6372 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Dang....that is a scary thought. Living forever all by yourself sounds like the worst form of torture...and I say that as an introvert!

    • @The_Cadaver
      @The_Cadaver ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sounds like a really cool theme for a concept album.

    • @rizkyadiyanto7922
      @rizkyadiyanto7922 ปีที่แล้ว

      why only one person? why not like 10 people become eternal?

  • @1cpascal
    @1cpascal ปีที่แล้ว +102

    I remember watching a documentary on ending aging back in the 1980s. One of the scientists they interviewed estimated that if aging could be stopped, but the accident rate remained the same, the average lifespan would be around 300 years.

    • @hazonku
      @hazonku ปีที่แล้ว +15

      When I hear that I just think of all those cute fanciful turn of the century articles in which people in 1900 tried to guess what the year 2000 would be like. Our technology has been advancing at a nearly exponential curve in recent history and with AI progressing as it is it seems we may be very close to a more vertical climb in that curve. I would like to hope that with the help of AI we could not only solve the mortality problem but also the accidents problems too. A less dystopian WALLe outcome perhaps.

    • @CerealExperimentsMizuki
      @CerealExperimentsMizuki 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Nah Wall-E outcome is most likely. Also being biologically Immortal would be cool, accidents do happen and it seems like a reasonable outcome for what we could achieve.

    • @Nathan_H1gg3rz
      @Nathan_H1gg3rz 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They will kill billions of you before they ever let you live an extended lifespan. Control comes before everything in the eyes of science & sociology.

    • @zomcom11
      @zomcom11 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@hazonku​​⁠We’re so far away from reaching a singularity event or even achieving AI that would be capable of that.
      There’s still far too many unknowns for what needs to be achieved on a fundamental level to even suppose that it would be here in the near term.

  • @Vile_Entity_3545
    @Vile_Entity_3545 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    The digital immortality is the one you should not want. A tyrant outside could put everybody inside in hell for eternity, especially if one second on the outside equates to decades in the digital realm. That is too scary to even contemplate going in.

    • @joet6723
      @joet6723 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yep - watch the prime show, upload, for a watered down version of this

    • @istvansipos9940
      @istvansipos9940 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      all the things you can enjoy in this life are finite. Similarly, tyranny for all the unfortunte mortals is finite, too.
      if we were immortal, the possibility of fun would increase, and so would the possibility of suffering.
      It is a trade off. If I had the chance to become immortal, the chance of infinite suffering would not hold me back. Just like the chance of finite suffering does not make my finite life a bad choice.

    • @lestatangel
      @lestatangel ปีที่แล้ว

      Or they could just delete you.

    • @audiodead7302
      @audiodead7302 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I hadn't thought of that. It could end up with worse suffering than any human being in the real world has ever endured.

    • @glad777
      @glad777 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well the only likely scenario is some kind of quantum/digital/analog hybrid computer mind back up.

  • @edibleapeman2
    @edibleapeman2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Thanks for sticking a new existential thought into my head: from a certain point of view, I haven’t even been born yet. From a certain point of view, I’m already dead.

    • @BronzeDragon133
      @BronzeDragon133 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      "So I am a ghost. To you, I'm a ghost. We're all ghosts to you. We must be nothing." --Clara to The Doctor

    • @SHDUStudios
      @SHDUStudios ปีที่แล้ว

      From a certain point of view, Darth Vader isn’t your father…

    • @sahilx4954
      @sahilx4954 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂😭😂😭😂

  • @venerablearcanum
    @venerablearcanum ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Human lifespan was not significantly shorter in the past. Infant mortality was higher. This brings down the overall _life-expectancy_ of a given population, but not the average _lifespan._

    • @unicornswag888
      @unicornswag888 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Infant mortality does bring down average lifespan though, unless you decide to only start counting "lifespans" of people who survive to some arbitrary age.

    • @DaveTexas
      @DaveTexas ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@unicornswag888 you’re confusing "lifespan" with "life expectancy." "Lifespan" isn’t an average; it’s the maximum number of years a person *can* live. That’s essentially 120 or so, and there’s no evidence to show that it was ever less than that. That’s just how long a human body can function.
      "Life expectancy" is an average. It’s how long any individual can be expected to live based on the average age at death of everyone in a population.
      While the two terms may seem like they mean the same thing, they actually don’t. Most people don’t use them correctly, of course…

    • @jamesofallthings3684
      @jamesofallthings3684 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@unicornswag888Wouldn't expect some moron with a name like "unicornswag" to understand basic logic.

  • @arkosilaura
    @arkosilaura ปีที่แล้ว +38

    The "not having a choice in immortality" is one of the few things that scare me. A lot.
    I WANT to be immortal, but i want it to be on my terms, cause if something else dictates how i get my immortality and what it entails, then i may end up in eternal agony.

    • @jasonjacoby
      @jasonjacoby ปีที่แล้ว +4

      As a reverse Pascal's wager, there's no way to avoid an eternity.

    • @NeostormXLMAX
      @NeostormXLMAX 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Personally im less scared because i can easily change it later down the line

  • @gabriellucio4240
    @gabriellucio4240 ปีที่แล้ว +135

    Hey John, I just wanted to say how much I love your content! Your videos on science, space, and the universe are mind-blowing and always leave me feeling inspired and in awe. You're one of the main reasons I developed a love for science, and I can't thank you enough for that. Keep doing what you're doing, because you're truly making a difference in the world of science communication. Cheers to you, and here's to many more fascinating and thought-provoking videos!

    • @MotorJeffries
      @MotorJeffries ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Well said!

    • @Tethloach1
      @Tethloach1 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It was thought provoking, really gets you thinking.

    • @Dontlook146
      @Dontlook146 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed!!!!!

    • @johncampbell9216
      @johncampbell9216 ปีที่แล้ว

      I bet not a single one of you can name an ancestor from a thousand years ago, yet you suck up to this nonsense like it means something! :D

  • @ChannelNotFound
    @ChannelNotFound ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I want to be turned into an industrial piece of mining equipment so I can scour the kuiper belt for 1000 years hoarding a bunch of rare metals.

  • @digitalfootballer9032
    @digitalfootballer9032 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Nothing better than checking your videos before going to bed and seeing a new JMG upload waiting for you.

  • @HomeofdaBONE
    @HomeofdaBONE ปีที่แล้ว +9

    TH-cam has made John Michael Godier immortal, and that is amazing.

  • @marashdemnika5833
    @marashdemnika5833 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I’m confident that with the arrival of the singularity, we will be granted the gift of immortality, and it will just be a stepping stone to something far greater

  • @ZiessRides
    @ZiessRides ปีที่แล้ว +16

    To me, only thing scarier than death would be not being able to die.

    • @digitalfootballer9032
      @digitalfootballer9032 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I wouldn't want immortality either, but I wouldn't mind a bit longer, maybe similar to the lifespan of a Vulcan 🖖. 200 or so years then I think I would be ready for the big sleep.

    • @christianmarx3249
      @christianmarx3249 ปีที่แล้ว

      if this would be the case you could kill small parts of your brain untill you dont have consciousness anymore

    • @treystephens6166
      @treystephens6166 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@digitalfootballer9032 or become a undead Vampire ‼️

    • @thetayz72
      @thetayz72 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ideally it would be a form of immortality you could discontinue if you decide you don't want to live any longer.

  • @_..____
    @_..____ ปีที่แล้ว +13

    What worries me with digital immortality is that some of the data is not transfered to the copy of the older self, creating a sort of amnesia of the past life. If I were digitally immortal, I would go to great efforts to keep that data so when I am "reborn", I can update myself with the latest self experiences to decide if or how I will continue to live.

  • @12fold
    @12fold ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "Heaven is a place where nothing ever happens" -- Talking Heads fucking nailed it.

    • @email5023
      @email5023 ปีที่แล้ว

      "And the place is dead as Heaven on a Saturday night..." - Leonard Cohen

  • @LAMPROS311
    @LAMPROS311 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This video cries out for millions of views. I love every video by JMG but this is the next level, like the Magnum Opus. Philosophy, future technology and existential crisis, everything packed in less than 17 minutes. Let's share it, comment and like in order to help the algorithm spread it around the globe and-who knows-even Proxima b sentient beings.

  • @FreshHotTar
    @FreshHotTar ปีที่แล้ว +8

    You officially made my night better 🙏, love the late uploads.

  • @LordOberic1
    @LordOberic1 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My body wants to die, my mind wants to live forever.
    This video automatically intrigues me.

  • @Nightscape_
    @Nightscape_ ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Heroes get remembered but legends never die.

  • @Blue0000FF
    @Blue0000FF ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Thank you for what you're doing, John.

  • @Octoberfurst
    @Octoberfurst ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I personally like the theory of alternative universes where there are copies of you, but you experienced every possibility in life. For example, in this reality I am a Transit bus driver. But in other realities, I am President of the United States, a convicted murderer, a movie star, etc. In some realities I have already died. I ponder such possibilities and find them fascinating. I think it would be fun if I was able to talk to an alternative version of me. But of course, that's impossible even if the theory was true.

  • @defeatSpace
    @defeatSpace ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow, so Deja Vu happens because of infinite doppelgangers far beyond my observable universe living across infinite periods of time, and infinite more living copies during this exact period.

  • @Williamfuchs420
    @Williamfuchs420 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I always thought that the Transporter tech in Trek wasn’t used to its ultimate potential… immortality, they could effectively store everyone in transporter banks everyday and if something happens to anyone they could pull that stored backup from the bank…

    • @brianbagnall3029
      @brianbagnall3029 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thomas Riker is a clone of William Riker caused by a transporter accident.

    • @lunaticyoshi1
      @lunaticyoshi1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Scotty actually did something similar to that in TNG. I think it was the Dyson Sphere episode.
      I'm not sure of the lore, but I think it would raise the same ethical questions as cloning and genetic manipulation does (which the federation wasn't too fond of). Not to mention, different avenues of immortality were explored such as downloading a consciousness to an immortal android body, physical immortality such as the Q, cloning + memory transfer such as the Vorta, etc.

    • @jdlessl
      @jdlessl ปีที่แล้ว +4

      They even used it in exactly that way, _twice_, before forgetting about it by the next episode.

    • @Jadty
      @Jadty ปีที่แล้ว

      Something similar was used in some scripts.

    • @thralldumehammer
      @thralldumehammer ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@lunaticyoshi1 Relics is the name of the episode

  • @joefresh3725
    @joefresh3725 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I can't imagine a fate worse than being immortal. An infinity of anything is terrifying.

    • @iamBlackGambit
      @iamBlackGambit ปีที่แล้ว +2

      according to the bible everyone will live forever somewhere, you don't think eternity in heaven would be good? sure beats the alternative that's for sure....

    • @jengleheimerschmitt7941
      @jengleheimerschmitt7941 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I bet you'd take a 10-year life extension each time it was offered . . .

    • @Anthony-ru7sk
      @Anthony-ru7sk ปีที่แล้ว +5

      An infinity of nothing is even more terrifying

    • @j_117
      @j_117 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ​@@iamBlackGambit thats the problem with infinity, you don't get to choose. You have to eventually experience BOTH heaven and hell.

    • @iamBlackGambit
      @iamBlackGambit ปีที่แล้ว

      @user-ki2cr9ce6w no it's either or! You spend infinity in hell or heaven

  • @trdscfjc
    @trdscfjc ปีที่แล้ว +2

    John's avatar pic let's everyone know that he has mastered "the look"...The look that let's you know that he knows that you did something wrong, and that you should take corrective action immediately.

  • @sampsqwantch4612
    @sampsqwantch4612 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    oooo what a cool video this is gonna be! thank you for another banger 🔥 immortality has always scared me cus either you remember everything or you eventually forget everything. scary concept

  • @MelindaGreen
    @MelindaGreen ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Love your vocal fry joke. One caveat about the Many Worlds interpretation is that true death is possible when every possible version of you in every universe has died. Also, you didn't mention quantum immortality AKA quantum suicide which is a possible consequence of Many Worlds. On the surface it sounds great, until you think a bit about it and realize it's a truly frightening.

  • @aidanmartin1323
    @aidanmartin1323 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    True immortality with no escape would be the worst torture possible. It would never end, even if you desperately wanted it to.

  • @dyne313
    @dyne313 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    I've liked the idea of Quantum Immortality for years.
    But instead of having to worry about being lucky enough to be born into the Universe where you end up Immortal, your conciousness shifts to an almost identical universe where you didn't die, if you do end up dying.
    If this is true, it would mean that literally everybody is immortal, but only from your first person perspective. Other people will still die, but you continue on in this universe because you didn't die.

    • @BronzeDragon133
      @BronzeDragon133 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Heh, you could use that to kind of explain the Mandela Effect, maybe? That Earth came to an abrupt end, perhaps, and those people got rocketed over to join their consciousness over here, and just don't remember the disaster?

    • @chriswise7978
      @chriswise7978 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was just thinking about that this morning) What would you appear as physically though if you never die in your personal timeline what do you turn into you can't age forever

    • @Immigrationsituation
      @Immigrationsituation ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I hate everyone's idea of immortality. I love life but will be ready when it's my time. So much pain in this world. I don't want to remember it forever.

    • @aidancuddy888
      @aidancuddy888 ปีที่แล้ว

      Damn so maybe I can smoke crack everyday

    • @xmod2
      @xmod2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I had this thought once driving (too fast) on a mountain road. I took a turn a little aggressively and felt on the verge of losing control.
      I had this moment where I was snapping back to attention and it felt almost like a bad edit of two timelines. I thought to myself that in another universe I had drove off the road and that I was lucky I was in this one. Then I thought, what if my 'self' is just cruising along only ever 'choosing' or falling into the universe where it continues to exist?
      Afterwards I felt bad for all my friends and family in that other universe and thought about how it was unfortunate I was 'stuck' in one where some of my friends and family were already dead and not in the ones where they are alive.

  • @archmage_of_the_aether
    @archmage_of_the_aether ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I think you missed one, the one where you fall into a black hole and right at the singularity, time slows for you and you potentially experience an infinitude of time, even if you cannot act (or even think as a reaction) in that frozen moment.

    • @jengleheimerschmitt7941
      @jengleheimerschmitt7941 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's the lamest kind of immortality ever.

    • @archmage_of_the_aether
      @archmage_of_the_aether ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@jengleheimerschmitt7941 any immortality is sorta lame. It's basically a childish inability to digest the fundamental temporary reality of existence. Even our quest of life extension is stupid, if we're not first trying to perfect the time we already have allotted.
      But equating quantity with quality is indeed our cultural tendency, our weakness, and our probable downfall, so at least we're on-theme.

    • @CeroAshura
      @CeroAshura ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is a common misconception about black holes. The object going into the black hole just goes into it at their normal time experience. It's the observer on the outside that sees them slow down to near frozen state.

    • @mayathepsychiic
      @mayathepsychiic ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@HUSEYIN LAFCI i don't think that's true, afaik it's just a question that we do not know the answer to, it's still completely theoretical. i'm a dumb person but i saw brian cox talk about it a few months ago and he explained the issue in a super easy to understand way
      someone smarter than me might fill in the blanks, but it had something to do with an equation about the speed of time in a black hole relative to your distance from the centre. the issue is that the solution to the equation checks out all the way out of the black hole to inside it... until you get to the centre. At a certain small distance from the centre the answer goes into the negative, suggesting time goes backwards and leaving smart people scratching their head
      or something like that

    • @archmage_of_the_aether
      @archmage_of_the_aether ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CeroAshura maybe. We would find out if consciousness is based in the brain, or if it is based "elsewhere" and merely expressed through the brain, I suppose.

  • @stricknine6130
    @stricknine6130 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great list! 8,7 and 6 are my favorites. Thanks for the video, John!

  • @jht3fougifh393
    @jht3fougifh393 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Clicked so fast. Never stop uploading!

  • @billhart9832
    @billhart9832 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    JMG, another fascinating series of possible futures told in your inimitable and entertaining narrative.
    The added bonus is that your episode sign off still gives me a chuckle every time, even if it closely resembles my 11-year-old self trying to "burp" the alphabet... "in which we liiiiiiiive." Priceless!

  • @alfredsutton4412
    @alfredsutton4412 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another great upload, John. Thank you!

  • @kunka592
    @kunka592 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What began as a conflict over the transfer of consciousness from flesh to machine escalated into a war which has decimated a million worlds. The Core and the Arm have all but exhausted the resources of a galaxy in their struggle for domination. Both sides now crippled beyond repair, the remnants of their armies continue to battle on ravaged planets, their hatred fuelled by over four thousand years of total war. This is a fight to the death. For each side, the only acceptable outcome is the complete elimination of the other.
    -Intro video from the game Total Annihilation (1997, Windows)

  • @cougar2013
    @cougar2013 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The thing I can’t get past is that all computers are Turing machines, and the brain is not a Turing machine. That seems to imply that no amount of Turing machines could ever emulate the brain.

    • @aone9050
      @aone9050 ปีที่แล้ว

      an atom is not a circle, yet they make up a circle. when talking about human equivalent AI, something we find indistinguishable, its really just a matter of finding how to make a different process feel the same as the original process. at that point most people wouldn't care. though I personally would worry about people not caring about strict biological standards for humanity, I can't say if people would either become extinct as "humans" out compete homo sapien, or if they are never seen as an equal due to their fundamentally different nature, or any other potential future. all quite existential dread inducing though :c

    • @Telgin
      @Telgin ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Something doesn't have to be a Turing machine for a Turing machine to emulate it.

  • @Bitchslapper316
    @Bitchslapper316 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    The digital copy at #10 reminded me of the transporter paradox in star trek that was explored in a few episodes. Basically some are worried that every time they take a transporter they die and a copy of them is materialized on the other end.
    We all know humans can't do anything like that in the foreseeable future but if we ever get to that point where we can make digital copies or break down matter and reconstitute it I'm certain it will be controversial.

    • @urphakeandgey6308
      @urphakeandgey6308 ปีที่แล้ว

      Every atom/molecule is replaced in your body within a little less than a decade or so. Ship of Theseus style. So there's a case to be made that we're nothing but our material form.

    • @MarshallTheArtist
      @MarshallTheArtist ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It doesn’t matter if we die as long as we’re resurrected.

    • @inturnetlover
      @inturnetlover 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@MarshallTheArtistyeah but if you were to die and be resurrected in your current body it's still the same body, but transport requires a copy so its no longer your current body.

  • @freehat2722
    @freehat2722 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    For some people, their lifespan is perceived as too short. For others, it is perceived as too long. Forever can be a sort of hell. You certainly have a gift for communicating ideas. I certainly appreciate your work. I am very grateful to have the opportunity to absorb it.

    • @highlorddarkstar
      @highlorddarkstar ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Forever is always a choice. But it is an easy choice if you go with friends.

    • @1994CPK
      @1994CPK ปีที่แล้ว +2

      These immortal humans will want to die after at least 500 years. Maybe 1000 but I don't think our brains would even care to do anything after that much time

    • @Davidpostingshid
      @Davidpostingshid ปีที่แล้ว

      @@highlorddarkstar I don’t have friends ):

  • @Akasen1226
    @Akasen1226 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You had me at bizarre

  • @vanillatornado8390
    @vanillatornado8390 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    In an infinite universe, an exact replica of our solar system and us in the exact same time period would occur an infinite number of times.

    • @jengleheimerschmitt7941
      @jengleheimerschmitt7941 ปีที่แล้ว

      There'd be a replica of our solar system except there's a giant drawing of a dick on the face of the moon.

  • @tullymonster4182
    @tullymonster4182 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The concept of a cyclic universe for me always brings to mind buddhist cosmology. The ending part about the Poincare recurrence time especially brings to mind a part from the Lotus Sutra where the Buddha is describing the length of time that has passed since a parinirvana of a certain buddha:
    “O monks, it has been an extremely long time since this buddha entered nirvana. Suppose there were a man who ground the earth of the entire great
    manifold cosmos into powdered ink, and he were to then pass through a thousand worlds to the east, where he let fall a single particle of ink, the size of a speck of dust.
    “After passing through another thousand worlds, he let fall another particle; and he continued in this way until he had completely used all the ink.
    “What do you think about this? Do you think that a mathematician or a
    mathematician’s pupil would be able to count those worlds to the last parti-
    cle or not?”
    “O Bhagavat! No, they could not.”
    “O monks! Suppose that all the worlds this man passed through, whether
    letting fall a particle or not, were all ground into dust, and one speck of this
    dust were equal to one kalpa. The time since the parinirvāṇa of this buddha
    surpasses this number by immeasurable, limitless, incalculable hundreds of
    thousands of myriads of koṭis of kalpas; and through the power of the Tathā-
    gata’s wisdom and insight, I can see his distant past, as if it were today.”

    • @tullymonster4182
      @tullymonster4182 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      for reference, a kalpa is a very long time, on the order of millions of years

  • @corvidflight19
    @corvidflight19 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I remember when I was 5 years old, one day I was playing in the front room corner. I had this strange feeling come over me, and felt like my future self entered my mind and I was like, (" O crap! I've got to live this whole crappy life all over again!") I was terrified! I believe that the past still exists.

  • @olivercheeseman8227
    @olivercheeseman8227 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    These definitely beat having to sacrifice a child to drink their blood

    • @madderhat5852
      @madderhat5852 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you're immortal, won't you want a hobby?

    • @twitherspoon8954
      @twitherspoon8954 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@madderhat5852
      The point is, the core tenet of Christianity is the literal worship of ritual human sacrifice.

  • @MCsCreations
    @MCsCreations ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic, John! Another amazing video! Thanks!!! 😃
    Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

  • @collins_channel8643
    @collins_channel8643 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was such a great video. Thank you!

  • @skateboardist1686
    @skateboardist1686 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your voice is top shelf my friend. If you can manage to push out a few more good ideas like this one then boy you’d be really doing something.

  • @c.s.hayden3022
    @c.s.hayden3022 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your bite-sized idea videos always spark my sentimental overshares and wordy comments.

  • @frankwhite1816
    @frankwhite1816 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love your videos!

  • @echoecho3155
    @echoecho3155 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I think it's important to note that life expectancy in the past does not mean that the average person died around 30. Rather, infant mortality brings down the average death date. However, if you survived to about 15, you could be reasonably expected to live until 50 or 60 with minimal issues.
    I'd also point out that most of our current life extension is less life extension and more preservation. It's true that people can live to be 90 or even 100 today much more easily than in the past, but it's often a dependent existence characterized by heavy medication and other technological support.
    Personally, I'd rather die independent and relaticely healthy at 70 than get to live to be 200 but spending most of that existence feeble, brittle, and losing my mental capabilities.

  • @DanielGenis5000
    @DanielGenis5000 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video, fascinating pontificating!

  • @Wykesidefruitmachine
    @Wykesidefruitmachine ปีที่แล้ว

    I was only looking for one! Thanks John!

  • @0p161
    @0p161 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you John and Eryn!

  • @OutHereOnTheFlats
    @OutHereOnTheFlats ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great job John

  • @0rangecray0n
    @0rangecray0n ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I love how you differentiate the spiritual and science but it's also important to realize they are more closely related then we believe I love these little Christmas presents of information right before I go to work

    • @semi-mojo
      @semi-mojo ปีที่แล้ว

      No.

    • @T25l
      @T25l ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@semi-mojo You dropped your fedora 🤓

    • @miguelatkinson
      @miguelatkinson ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@T25l what is wrong with his response ? it's not like you have to be an atheist to disagree with that you know.

  • @robbabcock_
    @robbabcock_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic video!

  • @charbelabboud747
    @charbelabboud747 ปีที่แล้ว

    I appreciate your content, very insightful
    Thank you

  • @LAMPROS311
    @LAMPROS311 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    The idea of cyclic universes which are identical to themselves reminds me of the thought experiment of "eternal return" which was suggested by the philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche. Thank you John for another great video and kalimera from Greece.

    • @Williamfuchs420
      @Williamfuchs420 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh god how many rounds have we gone? How many times have i lived this life? The implications….

    • @saferugdev8975
      @saferugdev8975 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      theres a thousand ways in which this theory is impossible and a thousand ways in which this theory is impossible to be impossible :)

    • @LAMPROS311
      @LAMPROS311 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Williamfuchs420 Imagine: I wrote this comment countless times and I will write it countless times more.

    • @LAMPROS311
      @LAMPROS311 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@saferugdev8975 For me, it is more of a thought experiment: how would I like to live my life if I were to live it countless times in cyclic universes?

  • @adscomics
    @adscomics ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like the phrase "end up immortal." It implies that you didn't plan it. Like you just woke up and realize that you can't die lmao.

  • @jamesasmat3315
    @jamesasmat3315 ปีที่แล้ว

    This channel deserves a million subs

  • @y5mgisi
    @y5mgisi ปีที่แล้ว

    The sign off always gets me! 😂 Love it.

  • @d1ss1dent
    @d1ss1dent ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another video just in time for my sleep time 😌

  • @robinfeatherhead
    @robinfeatherhead ปีที่แล้ว

    i like how you combined 10 and 4 in supermind, super spooky idea! i should read that again, it's been a while

  • @AlaskanBallistics
    @AlaskanBallistics ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Enough vodka watching this makes me feel immortal... until tomorrow morning.
    Great Video John

  • @mcds54
    @mcds54 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your vids are just right for me... not too abstruse but not too dumbed-down either.

  • @lilrut4207
    @lilrut4207 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the new video

  • @kilderok
    @kilderok ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That "Liiiiiiive" has gotten longer with each passing year I've watched you. It's expanding with the universe.

  • @upthereds1892
    @upthereds1892 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    With the internet we are all digitally immortal in a sense

  • @nickpolizzi5897
    @nickpolizzi5897 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good stuff!

  • @timefluidscribbler
    @timefluidscribbler ปีที่แล้ว

    Engagement comment to show gratitude for great vids!

  • @mikebrothers5689
    @mikebrothers5689 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hell yeah science playa a new jmg podcast is here

  • @icarys
    @icarys ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Very interesting. I've dreamed of being immortal through cryogenics or through tech advances and even through genetic breakthroughs. The latter, I believe, has the most promising path forward, time wise. Wouldn't that be great? Just turn off certain genes and we live another 50 or 100 years. Such an appealing idea to me. Of course I'd take the other options. I've dreamed about uploading my mind to a robot body and set off by rocket to search the universe for other life, knowing I couldn't die. Just some daydreamer here. 😁

    • @SerPapus
      @SerPapus ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe the ancient Chinese had it correct with drinking tea

    • @zachb8012
      @zachb8012 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Why though? Everything in the universe needs to live and die in one sense or another. What kind of life would immortality be anyway? To see everything you've ever known live and die in accordance with the natural order. I mean within a thousand years it seems like life would become immensely boring... after two...

    • @trolly4233
      @trolly4233 ปีที่แล้ว

      Read the Bobiverse books by Dennis E. Taylor. You seem like you would like them, I sure as hell did. Also no, immortality would not be boring.

    • @GetIntoItDuhh
      @GetIntoItDuhh ปีที่แล้ว

      no.

    • @Immigrationsituation
      @Immigrationsituation ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@trolly4233immortality would be horrible. I want nothing to do with it. I love life. I'm fine with my life. Have seen so many horrible things in my life. I don't want to remember it forever. No thanks.

  • @coreyeaston6823
    @coreyeaston6823 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    How about cybernetic, robotic or organic replacment? Like replacing parts of a car with new or better parts. I would think this is a step down the road of biologic immortality. Just raises a question about the raw amount of raw neural data or pathways that could be created. You my live forever but you may not have infinite memory.

    • @dancingwiththedogsdj
      @dancingwiththedogsdj ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What part would you want replaced first? I dunno myself since I am missing most of the ribs on the right side of my chest and my right hand only has 2 bones in each finger instead of 3, plus my twin died 30 days after birth thanks to my "loving" mother doing drugs (nothing changes 44 years later) but my issues are enhancements... I might choose 🍌 enhancement options... Or 🧠 enhancements... 🍌🧠🤯

    • @BronzeDragon133
      @BronzeDragon133 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dancingwiththedogsdj I have pegs in an arm bone due to a bad break, wear glasses, will eventually need hearing aids, and have clips where my gallbladder used to be. Let's not discuss my teeth, which are more not-me than me.
      None of that makes me any less me, really.

    • @medicmule
      @medicmule ปีที่แล้ว

      Sounds like the novel Time Enough for Love in many ways

    • @tessier_ashpool
      @tessier_ashpool ปีที่แล้ว

      I want a 18 inch slinger know what I'm sayin

  • @JRichardson711
    @JRichardson711 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nobody, not nobody, rolls out the sci-non-fi bangers like JMG. True story.

  • @BuddyCorp
    @BuddyCorp ปีที่แล้ว

    I often go to sleep listening to ole mate John

  • @peterburkhalter6344
    @peterburkhalter6344 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love the channel and John you will live on eternally via these videos... Or at least until the sun sends an EMP that wipes out computers globally

  • @audiodead7302
    @audiodead7302 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    “It is not more surprising to be born twice than once; everything in nature is resurrection.”
    Voltaire.

  • @wesleymed4825
    @wesleymed4825 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love how so many of the theories discussed on this channel I have seen on Futurama

  • @ready1fire1aim1
    @ready1fire1aim1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome video

  • @nunyobidness2358
    @nunyobidness2358 ปีที่แล้ว

    JMG, you're awesome

  • @jamesfrankel7827
    @jamesfrankel7827 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well, I have a simple explanation for black holes: Given the Poincare recurrence theorem, the cause of black holes is caused by library late fees. Actually not the late fees themselves but the record of the fees.

  • @russelllong9924
    @russelllong9924 ปีที่แล้ว

    This particular subject made my brain implode

  • @xenphoton5833
    @xenphoton5833 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    With respect to number seven, I frequently go outside at night with a neon sign that displays Planck's constant and point to my eye and then to the sky as to say: "I see you". I do this in hopes of messing with the mind of any life-forms that might take notice twenty-five to fifty million light-years in the future. Essentially sending them a message from the past✨

  • @jamesasmat3315
    @jamesasmat3315 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very thought provoking

  • @livetotell100
    @livetotell100 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thought provoking, as usual.

  • @xeus
    @xeus ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Although the "6. Many Worlds" (@8:44) section did come close, I don't think it really presented the (actually rather horrofic) idea of Quantum Immortality to its full gory. If you've seen the 1992 movie Death Becomes Her, you might know where this idea leads to.
    Basically, any time you would die, you are miraculously saved and keep on living as long as there is at least one universe, where you are saved. Assuming infinite number of universes, you would always "find" yourself in one where you are still alive, even after hunderds and thousands and even millions and billions of years.
    Of course being alive would not mean your life would be peachy. Oh, no, not in the slightest. More likely you'll end up with a broken body and eventually just a husk that lives on only by the powers of quantum mechanics.
    Everyone would end up in their own personal and literal hells. Only way to avoid it would be to not be able to survive with a 100% certainty, which in an infinite multiverse would be asymptotically impossible. Of course there would also be an infinite instances of you screaming in agony with both same and more or less different histories.
    Well, I think we all know why John Michael Godier did not talk about this possibility. 😁

  • @cyrilio
    @cyrilio ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If a copy of your consciousness is made immortal then you still die. I don’t count that as making me immortal.

  • @hakrj12
    @hakrj12 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you

  • @defeatSpace
    @defeatSpace ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In a way, humans are technically Boltzmann Brains. The universe could also be a brain where every atom in every neuron is a brain, simulate a brain using the cosmic web and learn everything.

  • @Erowid13
    @Erowid13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i can't remember who was talking about it, i think it might've been michio kaku but they were saying that the brain would not be able to comprehend immortality. they were saying the brain would not be able to register the passage of time at a certain point and you'd end up just fast forwarding to the end of the universe. more than likely explained it poorly but that was the gist more or less.

  • @annakeye
    @annakeye ปีที่แล้ว

    Up less than 24 hours and yet 52,000 view. I hope they're all subscribers because I can't imagine a world without your gravel voiced narration of all manner of often not discussed in polite society, topics. Okay, not so much polite society as among those that want to dismiss certain possibilities or concepts. Thanks.

  • @EileenPCarryEPC
    @EileenPCarryEPC ปีที่แล้ว

    Mind blowing. 🙆🏻‍♀️

  • @astralshore
    @astralshore ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey John, have you ever considered uploading your content as podcasts? Seems like a perfect fit & even more (well-deserved) reach. Just a thought ☺️

  • @SSSyndrome214
    @SSSyndrome214 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good one.

  • @wayneharrison
    @wayneharrison ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A fate worse than death? Is to... live, forever!😱

  • @seanbrazell7095
    @seanbrazell7095 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My personal definition of immortality requires continuity of consciousness.

  • @tinkerstrade3553
    @tinkerstrade3553 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have waited a thousand lifetimes for the chance to be me. Immortality is only perspective.

  • @VeDzz
    @VeDzz ปีที่แล้ว +1

    11. Simple philosophical argument: you can't experience non-experience (/the nothingness of death). Therefore there is only experience (the somethingness of life).

  • @novood1921
    @novood1921 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I WANT TO EXPLORE SPACE....MY CONSCIOUSNESS WILL MERGE WITH THE UNIVERSE AFTER I DIE.