Glenn was generally a character that was misused alot of them time. It feels like the writers didn't know how much the fans liked him, he definitely deserved more.
My mom actually spoiled Glenn's death for herself because of this episode. She was confused as to whether he had died or not so she googled "Glenn death walking dead" and well
Bro I got spoiled so much that I feel like quitting the show, I know Rick Will blow up but survive, I knew Glenn, Dale, Andrea, hershel, the gouvernor and basically everyone would die, im a 7x2.are there many other characters that die in the show? No spoilers please!!
@@Z0mb1eGD honestly, I can't tell if many or few main characters die, because that would ruin the immersion, but I definitely recommend you keep watching at the very least until season 9, because it's incredible.
I mean there was a pile of junk in the way and they were a bit panicked given the situation, and the herd was moving fast (honestly it moved TOO fast in this episode, suddenly a herd is around the corner and down the street halfway to them before they even move towards the alley, it’s like the herd is full sprinting when it’s doing a chill walk), but yeah
my exact thoughts i literally thought glenn would just jump over there because it was such a s1 glenn moment and he was just trapped on the damn trashcan… so dumb
@@casedistorted glenn literally faced this same situation in atlanta where there were more walkers, it seems more like the writers forgot how smart glenn really was
I remember what a massive meme this episode became. After it aired, whenever an important character would die on The Walking Dead or even completely unrelated shows like Game of Thrones, there would be a barrage of "don't worry, they probably crawled under the dumpster" jokes. It really goes to show just how contrived and ridiculous it was to have Glenn survive that scenario.
in the show, after this point at least. if a characters death isn’t shown. they haven’t died. even if it’s implied that the character is dead. there’s glenn, rick, Beta (elevator shaft scene) and probably others but these three come to mind, it’s pretty cheap tbh..
Wait, Glenn already knew he was going to be a father in this episode. In fact, he knew it as early as 6x1. We know this because when Glenn and Maggie are discussing why she should stay back and Glenn is saying it's for the benefit of Deanna, Maggie says "that's not the only reason" and Glenn says "yeah, it's not." But we also know this because in 6x7 he tells Enid that Maggie is pregnant and he hasn't even returned at that point yet. So yeah, he totally already knew.
In addition, when Glenn talks to Rick again he says dumbass again through the talkie-walkie. It would have been his firt and last words to Rick, wich I think would have been such a nice detail. But of course I loved having more Glenn screen Time And btw love these series about specific épisodes keep up with the good work!
Don’t really blame him. It’s a good death and if he wanted to pursue other things then that’s fine. Doesn’t meant I wouldn’t have liked to see more Glenn 🥲
@@thethriftytypewriter What kills me is that the last real dialogue that Glenn had was addressed to Daryl. He said: "We gotta go back home. It's gonna go wrong out here." Haunting last words. He was right.
@@thethriftytypewriter Another reason why Daryl felt so much guilt. Not just because he punched Negan, leading to Glenn's death. But also because Glenn was only out there and captured because he was looking for Daryl and trying to bring him home in the first place, like a true brother.
If you remember they also left his name off of the opening credits until the ep aired where he came out from under the dumpster. Honestly.. That whole dumpster scene was bad. Fans referred to it as jumping the shark moment. I remember watching the interview with Steven Yeun after the ep aired where he crawled out from under the dumpster and he was sitting there with Scott Gimple talking about "Thank You" and how he had to hide out (in real life) so nothing was given away. They wanted the fans to think he was dead 🙄 He wasn't to happy with that ending dumpster scene and it was weird that Gimple was there sitting Next to him. It was through satellite and Steven honestly looked uncomfortable.
Next episode you should cover is “Them” from Season 5. Mainly because this episode will always stand out to me. I know the episode is not really eventful or have a lot of action, but it provides the embodiment of what a zombie apocalypse can do to someone. As we can see after having encounters with cannabis and crazy cops to losing Bob, Beth, and Tyrese, the group becomes very tired, distrustful, depressed, and paranoid. With them only looking after their flock.
What stands out about that episode is the element of family, the group despite them going through so much like Aaron says I think they never turned on each other
When you think about the characters with moral compasses in relation to Glenn, Glenn had very strong role models with Dale being the first to teach him, then coming Hershel, and after that he was left as the sole moral character in the group. He was made for his role and it was sad to see him break his character when he killed but not unsurprising when you reflect back in season 2 when he sided with the group on killing the prisoner.
"Rick, you have to go off this Bridge" "... excuse me?" "The Bridge! Its getting overrun by Walkers" "What?" "Walkers are heading towards the Bridge!!!" "Hey, im not a Snitch!" "No, I said a horde of Walkers is heading in your Direction" "I didnt quite catch that..." "GOD DAMNIT RICK, MOVE" "Huh?" "THEY ARE RIGHT BEHIND YOU" "Ok, whatever, no more time for smalltalk. I have to move, a huge Horde of Walkers is right behind me. Wouldve bern nice of you to warn me, Daryll. Thanks for nothing" "... I quit"
I think if he did die in this episode, they should have put the speech he gave to Enid about 'we carry on to honor those who can't' in an earlier episode, because that was the only thing I truly would have missed from his further arc. I do absolutely love the symbolism of him being underneath the dumpster and Enid finding him - Enid being severely mentally ill at the time and wondering 'what is the point anymore' and Glenn, someone who is the optimist and always sees the good in everything, surviving only because Walkers were busy consuming the body of someone else, hiding under a filthy, smelly dumpster, coming out covered in blood and probably smelling terrible, being at one of his lowest points - and he still comes out of that with enough mental optimism to give Enid a cheerful point of view about the situation at hand. I have always loved watching TWD to feel better when I am having bad mental health episodes, and watching Glenn come out of this is definitely a point that gives me hope
Around 12:15 you state that glenn didn't know about Maggie's pregnancy before his fake death? He was fully aware of the baby then. He mentions it to Maggie in episode 6x1 during the meeting very subtly and also tells Enid about the baby when he finds her.
I didn’t I thought it was stupid how many fake outs in that season he had. The writers did him dirty too making him kill someone in their sleep just to foreshadow that dumb picture on the wall. Character assassination.
Had a stressful week, then I saw you uploaded and it made my Friday! Definitely wish Glenn stayed on the show more. Or at least appeared in a flashback or two. Heck, I would even settle for a spin off prequel on Glenn’s past as a pizza delivery guy! 😂
Unpopular opinion or not, I can definitely see what you mean and agree to an extent. As much as I was happy to have Glenn back, I hated the fake out (especially given that I knew what was waiting for him). That episode where they forced Glenn to kill the Saviours was honestly one of my most disliked episodes for the exact reasons you mentioned. Character deaths always feel the most impactful when it is because of their choices, good or bad. As such, Glenn dying due to his good nature and moral compass would be a fitting end that perfectly explains the darker path of the group afterwards. Thanks again for the video.
Great video! Just one more thing about Glen's character arc after this episode that you left out. He finds Enid and they journey back together. He helps her with the bleak attitude that she has. They enter the church and Glen give a fantastic speech to her about how people that die live on afterwards through the people that they have impacted. She asks him who are those people to you? He says his parents, Dale, Hershel, Tyreese. A really cool moment that gives Enid strength and hope and resonates even more after Glen dies. Glen becomes one of those that died but still influences and inspires Maggie, Rick, Michonne, Daryl, Enid, and others.
@@Sebastian-vc4xz Well it did impact Enid for the next 7 or 8 years after that. 1.5 years time skip between season 8-9 plus 6 year time skip after the bridge incident. But yeah, she eventually ran out of mileage. LOL!
It would’ve been interesting if Glenn had died in ‘Thank You’ but Nicholas would’ve survived and had done the same thing he did when Aiden died, blamed something instead of himself. It would’ve been cool to see Maggie resent Nicholas and then he would be a character taken out by Negan suffering the death Glenn had in the comics making it ironic. That way Abrahams death wouldn’t have been overshadowed and it would’ve opened up the universe to a time where Maggie and Negan would see eye to eye on something. Where oddly enough she didn’t resent but thanked Negan doing bad on another character who was so hated.
But Glenn’s fake death scene was caused by Nicholas shooting himself, knocking Glenn off the dumpster into the horde of zombies. So how would Nicholas have survived if Glenn died?
Honestly speaking of this episode and Glenn dying to the Walkers it would have been the biggest gut punch because of who it is. Not Glenn as a character per se, but the type of survivalist he is. He was quick, smart, thrifty, knew how to plan escapes no matter the situation with his history as a pizza delivery boy. However... What do you do when you have a freshly dead body on you that is clearly heavier than you? A situation that despite you being strong woulda been near impossible to get out of and don't? Imagine if he died here and a few episodes later we had a zombified Glenn that Daryl, Michonne, or Maggie would have to put down?
I rewatched season 1 recent and oh my word I didn’t realise the walkers could run & climb and use objects like rocks to break things. I just remember them being slow haha
To me, this was the point when TWD started to decline. Up to then, the show had always prioritized realism and storytelling regardless of what happened in the comic. But once Negan was on the horizon, the show reverted to tricks and cliches to try and manipulate the audience into thinking certain events would or wouldn’t happen. It never recovered and S7 and 8 only got worse.
100% agree! My favorite point you made was that Glenn’s absence in the second half of the season would have made a lot of sense in the context of the survivors’ dark turn
Without Glenn in season 7 the path the group took in the first half of season 7 would not have seemed so dark. He was needed to remind viewers that members of the group had never killed people.
Thank You is my favorite episode and I also really like the 1st half of season 6, Glenn was my favorite character and the character arc they gave him was really good, and I specially love the way you break down the episodes you cover. Great video Thrifty 👍🏻👍🏻.
I agree, it would've been so interesting to explore people not knowing what happened to him and some people still having hope he'd come back. Him coming back was a ridiculous choice.
Negan killing Glenn was also an effective catalyst for Maggie's resolve to defeat him. If I recall correctly, it is her that sets the preparations in motion to engage them in battle.
pretty amazing that Scott of all people is one of only 2 OG Alexandrians to make it to the series finale, especially considering he survived this episode despite a gunshot wound and the only other original Alexandrian, Aaron, is a straight up main character by the end. Scott was the most untouchable Red Shirt in TWD history. honorable mention to Diane.
I do think there was a really wasted opportunity to see the impact of Glenn going against his morals and going down a darker path. Glenn was always the moral compass of the group, he saw the best in people and gave people who wronged him a second chance, and he never killed until he was forced into it, and it really shook him, but he didn't live long enough for it to really affect him. I think it actually would've been great if they killed Abraham and maybe Sasha too as she doesn't really do anything after this and is just annoying, we can still get the revenge storyline with Rosita, but have Maggie lose the baby and Glenn live. Some people say Maggie shouldve died, but I think she's too important in the story going forward and killing her would be too much, especially as she was the last character tying things to the Greene family. But if she had a miscarriage because of what was happening to her and the trauma of the line up, that would definitely push Glenn into becoming more immoral and unhinged and becoming a darker character. Seeing Glenn vs Negan I think would've been a lot cooling and more satisfying than vs Rick, and Glenn couldve died in season 8 instead of Carl, and because he was the moral compass, Rick wants to make peace with Negan to honour him, as he was his best friend. I've only just thought of this now, but it actually makes a lotta sense, and would've been so much better. Maybe it wouldve been too much for Maggie to lose her baby AND Glenn, she'd definitely never be able to have the same redemption and forgiveness arc with Negan, but maybe Glenn could get her pregnant again and she could still have her baby
The thing is, they kinda teased that for Glenn with the whole Nicholas situation but a lot of that was wrapped up rather quickly. Even with that being said, I think Steven yeun was more or less ok with being done with the walking dead. They didn’t really know what to do with that character and in hindsight, if he has stayed attacked, idk if we would have gotten the movies he’s put out.
The dumpster scene was a dead give away that he lived cause a main characters death needs to be seen by other characters to verify he died. That case he was all alone and no one to say he died was obvious he’d come back. Then ultimately dies in front of anyone.
Great video. I agree on Glenn. I liked his character, and at the time he was even more popular than Rick or Daryl. But... season 2 had a story for Glenn, then season 3, 4, and then 5. Season 6.. he was legit just waiting around moping after this episode, waiting for the bat.
Hey, Thrifty Typewriter! I have a suggestion for a potential future video. You may be interested in possibly creating a character analysis video about Abraham. I feel like most people just kinda write off Abraham as the simple tough badass character when, in fact, there seems to have been so much more interesting aspects about him. Like his grief with losing his previous family, his purpose for surviving being to save the world, his desire to have children with Sasha, etc.. Just an idea! Anyways I enjoyed this video as usual!
maybe if nicholas ddnt knock glenn down and just died to save glenn instead, and the rest of the story still plays out as normal, that coulda been ok maybe, basically just remove the fakeout idk
Nice exploration of the episode, I actually always saw Nicholas as useless but this actually made me look deeper. Nicholas was useless and selfish but then he grew thanks to Glenn, the problem was in this scenario he was seriously out of his depth. He kind of represents the Alexandrians, he was selfish and useless but he ultimately means well the trouble is with the darkness of the world edging closer to home they are totally out of their depth.
Dude I have been saying this for years! The fake out with this totally took the impact of negan killing him out for me and I just didn't care. Effectively I was ready for him to be gone after the bait and switch stuff they pulled
The only thing people think of related to this episode is the Glen fake out death, which sucks in a way, since it was such a well done episode that was tense from start to finish. I remember being really shocked and saddened by his "death" as it happened, but it immediately hit me that it was, in fact, a fitting, ironic and damn near heartbreaking end for the character.... then Talking Dead came on, and like you, I knew he was alive. why did they do this? IMO, they were testing the waters, seeing how people would react to Glen''s death. Would they lose a lot of viewers the very next week or would people accept losing a fan favorite.... We will obviously never know if Im right, but it does make some sense.
I totally agree, Glenn is one of my favorite characters, and I didn't want him to die, but I really liked the Nicholas arc and it felt like it really exemplified how Glenn is just too trusting. I believe Glenn would have survived on his own, but he chose to put his trust in Nicholas knowing the area which ends up being his fatal (or not) mistake. It was pretty cringey and immersion breaking for him to survive under the dumpster only to die after not really furthering his character in a satisfying way.
Yes, I completely agree the fake out death was so unnecessary. It took away from when he actually died. I felt this episode continuing the previous episode wasn’t done well. They could’ve just shown how the Alexandrians weren’t really prepared for the outside world. And show the Ricks group come back with just Heath and Scott. They would tell the Alexandrians what happened. This would show them that they need to learn from Rick and his group.
Oh boy you will see me in the next one. Every video you upload gives me a different perspective in the walkimg dead episodes or make my opinions have a better argument. Every analysis you make is great and I can’t wait for the next video
I totally agree, man. I was so sure Glenn ws gone, and the way he survived was super cheesy and made no sense. They could have done a tribute to Glenn with someone else dying like he does in the comics, set them up as a valuable character. It felt like such a waste of time to bring him back because we all knew Negan was coming, and we all knew what Negan does.
Carter could have died against the cause but died for it Nicolas too. I love this standalone scenes of characters like Carter, Nicolas and Jesse (being against Rick's help personally in Jesse case) being against Rick and the group but learned their lesson in their own way - just great writing, they nailed different characters cases instead of Alexandria people being a sheep horde doing every command
I’m not mad that Gleen died to Negan. I’m mad that they pulling the “subverting expectation” move by killing Abraham first and THEN killing Gleen. Kinda F***ed up that they put the human life, and not even that but the life of a beloved secondary character. On a scale of who’s death mattered more. Negan only killed Gleen in the comics and left everyone devastated. If Show Negan only killed Abraham and the rest of the group moved on with their day it would paint Rick’s group as a bunch of monsters!
Ultimately, Glenn should've either gone one of three paths 1. He dies in the Dumpster, the main moral compass of the core group lost from his own belief in others 2. The dumpster scene never happens and he dies in the line up 3. He survives the line up and we see how he is tested during the war. Personally understand how him dying in this episode would've probably worked out better for the show and fits the story and characters and it would've made Abraham's death more impactful rather than how it was overshadowed by the season 1 character
They should have given Glenn a storyline with Morgan. He really did seem to fit the “All life is precious” mentality and his death would’ve been properly set up
i agree its not even the fakeout death that bothers me really (ive gotten over it over time) but whats irritating is the fact that he doesnt serve any more real purpose to the story afterwards like you said. in fact, his remaining time alive did nothing but make his death more tragic by having him break his moral code and kill somebody before getting done in himself. however i thought he was already aware that he was going to be a dad? i could be wrong but didnt he know since that one flashback when he alludes to Maggie being pregnant?
Even before that moment. In the first episode of this season when they are showing a flashback and it’s in black and white, the group is deciding who will participate in the plan. Glenn and Maggie have some dialogue about her staying behind for more than just being support for Deana. Implying that it’s something more now. It’s cute
@@brooklynbutter5357 yeah thats the moment i was thinking about! and @Nathan that moment was at the end of season 6 so it was definitely after this episode but i appreciate the help :)
This was the beginning of the end for me. we all basically mourned losing Glenn after the episode was over, even with Talking Dead being “grief counseling”, then to just magically allow him to survive in the most unbelievable scenario made me realize the writers only are aiming for viewership, not a good story. The walkers had been so little of a threat to the main group up until this point, so to have one of the most beloved characters go out the way he was brought in would have been pretty poetic. Glenn’s real death was the nail in the coffin for me. The show had become just shock value and it was an exhausting and bleak experience even tuning in every week.
it wouldn’t have been what anybody would’ve wanted. especially glenn who everyone loved. but in light of the spare time he was given and the actions he had to take despite being morally against it, you make a great point. i’d feel bad for maggie not being there with him in the moment but it would’ve spared her from witnessing the tragedy that came to be
Glenn's death, could of caused Rick too become overprotective, which could of lead into confrontation issues with Negan. Just an idea, but love your videos man!
I always thought him killing during the satellite raid WAS a sign that the group’s moral compass had fallen. And it was a perfect parallel to Carol’s whole arc starting out too. Basically signifying why the group falls apart like they do in the finale, because they even corrupted their own moral compass. Still, it’s a nice video and I’m not entirely opposed to your opinion! Well put and sorry your OG vid got age restricted.
Honestly I hated the whole “I guess that ricks group is bad too” plot, like yeah they’re murdering dozens of people but most of them deserve it, the guy Glenn killed had an array of pictures of dead people on his wall for crying out loud.
Rick grimes was a great character, Andrew Lincoln did an amazing job. But it's like rick grimes kept on forgetting he was an apocalypse and people close to him would die, while all the other leaders understood people will die close to them
When Robert Kirkman was asked if faking Glenn’s death in this episode was a stunt to gauge audiences reaction to his actual death by negan, he said “no.” But then it begs the question wtf was the point of this cop out death episode. They did the same thing before with Glenn on the bus after the prison fight. Glenn was the only character that should have had a different fate from his comic book character. Everyone knew it was coming and was still pissed for good reason.
Glenn’s my favorite character, s1, 2, and 3 being my favorite versions of o him. Bringing him back after this just felt, unusual, but I would’ve loved to see glenn live to the end tho
I might be one of the few people that feel that he shouldn't have died until close to the end of the show. I think the show jumped the shark when he died.
I liked that you brought up Talking Dead not having Steven appear because that was literally the #1 reason for every WD list that said reasons Glenn isn’t dead. Another thing from what I remember there were also photo leaks showing him filming the back half a S6 which also spoiled that Jesus was gonna be introduced which had people theorizing that Jesus rescues Glenn. Definitely one of my favorite episodes but the takeout does hurt it because it felt insulting that the producers thought the fanbase would fall for it. One of the things people know with TWD is that when someone dies another person has to see it otherwise it would cause a loose end that they wouldn’t be able to resolve in a believable way
Damn I forgot how fucking fantastic this episode was cause I was crying over Glenn haha. The Walking Dead will always be special because of episodes like this
This may be a bad take idk. But I think the way they did Glenn's character throughout the show was just foreshadowing his death. And I think they did this so many times that it sorta ruined the character a bit for me.
thats kinda true... i like his character a lot but this feeling was always following me along the way... i never read the comics but i did get spoilers that he would die tho
I think it's also really stuffed that he sees his own death looking at the battered gorey pictures when he first kills at the savior base. Chills down my spine rewatching that.
One of my favorite moments is when rick is trying to start the RV and it doesn't start and he just hss this wide eyed defeated look on his face. One of the only rimes he looks truly lost
I hope there’s a point where you discuss “The Grove”. Obviously the meme is the part everyone remembers, but to me, it’s my favorite episode, despite basically being a spin off of sorts. It manages to be so disturbing, so intense, despite the fact that there’s barely any gore, and almost the entire main cast isn’t there. The moral arguments, the realisation that Carol and Tyreese might only have that one option, all before the execution was so gripping, and so heart wrenching. It hit me harder than any other episode, even with how much I liked characters like Glenn or Herschel. And I think it almost being a one off ironically helped make it better, since you genuinely don’t know what’s going to happen, and you could honestly show it to someone who’s never seen the series, while still having the same impact. It was just, *so* ridiculously good in my opinion.
I remember thinking Glenn died in this episode. But then i found out he actually died differently in the comics so then i knew he was good. For a while longer anyway.
On top of that what if Maggie went through trauma and nightmares of the lineup just because it happens, and Glenn survives, so she either has more reason to hate Negan or Glenn hates Negan and begins conspiring to lead hilltop and rebel first
One important scene people forget was in season 3 when Glenn gets mad at Rick for not killing Merle when he rescued him and Maggie from Woodbury. Glenn was never truly a zombie world leader. He basically never took part in killing other living people all the way till season 6, and even then he was extremely uncomfortable with it. He was great at going on runs, had a very high IQ when it came to strategy and was great at putting down walkers, in fact he was probably the best at runs out of all of them, but when it came to the really dirty work (that was necessary) he always took a backseat to Rick or anyone else that had the spine to do it. It was because of his friendship with Rick that he survived so long. Rick and the others acted as a sort of shield for Glenn when it came to life or death situations involving other humans. The bar scene in "Nebraska" is also a great example, he was in that bar with Rick and Herschel, and Glenn had a shotgun and didn't even try to help Rick kill those two guys. Glenn was like Tyreese, strong in a lot of ways but hated being violent or killing other people, even if they were his enemies. Point is, that Glenn preferred to let Rick or Daryl do the dirty work.
i think if they planned for him to die to negan they never should have included this episode cuz i think s7e1 would not have been the same if it was anyone other than abraham and glenn but also i am glad glenn didnt die here because i dont like when the messages of deaths in this show are "you cant help people thats why you died" which is part of the reason i hated how tyresse went out but overall great video you make a lot of good points
Man... this show could've been so much better if the would've had less characters and more development, and just better writing all around. For example, by Season 6 anyone that survived would be tough, carved out of steel. How would all of Alexandria be totally soft, they would have to defend what they had, they would have to kill walkers, go out, defend theirs, . the idea that they just lived in this town where people just didn't have problems is totally not believable, that is bad writing.
I wouldn’t say it’s unbelievable that they are soft, the community originally had designated people who did all of the “grunt work” while the other citizens just chilled instead of being trained to be as capable as those going out.
Glenn was generally a character that was misused alot of them time. It feels like the writers didn't know how much the fans liked him, he definitely deserved more.
Nope. They knew exactly how much the fans liked him, wich is why they had Negan bash his skull in
@@RoyLevan That was actually because it happened in the comic, not because of popularity
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 and why do you think they did it in the comic?
@@RoyLevan bc the writers killer him off in the comics obviously
@@Lunarr_wrld and why did the writer* kill him off in the comics?
My mom actually spoiled Glenn's death for herself because of this episode. She was confused as to whether he had died or not so she googled "Glenn death walking dead" and well
I did the same thing lmao
Why didn't she just, you know, watch the next episode???
@@vasconcelos7356because its a Morgan bottle episode
Bro I got spoiled so much that I feel like quitting the show, I know Rick Will blow up but survive, I knew Glenn, Dale, Andrea, hershel, the gouvernor and basically everyone would die, im a 7x2.are there many other characters that die in the show? No spoilers please!!
@@Z0mb1eGD honestly, I can't tell if many or few main characters die, because that would ruin the immersion, but I definitely recommend you keep watching at the very least until season 9, because it's incredible.
Always hated that the fire escape was there. S1 Glenn knew well enough to use them to his advantage and I just hate seeing that one go unused.
real shit😭
I mean there was a pile of junk in the way and they were a bit panicked given the situation, and the herd was moving fast (honestly it moved TOO fast in this episode, suddenly a herd is around the corner and down the street halfway to them before they even move towards the alley, it’s like the herd is full sprinting when it’s doing a chill walk), but yeah
my exact thoughts i literally thought glenn would just jump over there because it was such a s1 glenn moment and he was just trapped on the damn trashcan… so dumb
I've watched this show through twice and both times I was yelling at the TV that he needed to have used the stairs.
@@casedistorted glenn literally faced this same situation in atlanta where there were more walkers, it seems more like the writers forgot how smart glenn really was
I remember what a massive meme this episode became. After it aired, whenever an important character would die on The Walking Dead or even completely unrelated shows like Game of Thrones, there would be a barrage of "don't worry, they probably crawled under the dumpster" jokes. It really goes to show just how contrived and ridiculous it was to have Glenn survive that scenario.
I wish Robb Stark had crawled under the dumpster
@@adityanegi1604 I wish the whole show crawled under a dumpsted after S4 ended :(
I remember that time😂
Bruh I stopped watching became depressed came back just to realise I was watching walking dead.
in the show, after this point at least. if a characters death isn’t shown. they haven’t died. even if it’s implied that the character is dead. there’s glenn, rick, Beta (elevator shaft scene) and probably others but these three come to mind, it’s pretty cheap tbh..
Wait, Glenn already knew he was going to be a father in this episode. In fact, he knew it as early as 6x1. We know this because when Glenn and Maggie are discussing why she should stay back and Glenn is saying it's for the benefit of Deanna, Maggie says "that's not the only reason" and Glenn says "yeah, it's not." But we also know this because in 6x7 he tells Enid that Maggie is pregnant and he hasn't even returned at that point yet.
So yeah, he totally already knew.
yeah there’s no way she’d tell enid before glenn
Plus, Abraham mentioned pouring the pancake batter, so he definitely knew.
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@@dontdiscriminatehateeveryo9263when?
@@dontdiscriminatehateeveryo9263 that was after all of this.
Dude rick running this entire episode was bad ass. Dude ran for MILES
In addition, when Glenn talks to Rick again he says dumbass again through the talkie-walkie. It would have been his firt and last words to Rick, wich I think would have been such a nice detail.
But of course I loved having more Glenn screen Time
And btw love these series about specific épisodes keep up with the good work!
"talkie-walkie" 😂
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 🤓🤓🤓🤓
@@lesingecroissantbleu9242 Is he not allowed to point out something that he thinks is funny?
@@yadienbegode2778 Sorry no speaking to ytb bot
@@lesingecroissantbleu9242 Sorry no speaking to little kid on yt
According to the actor, Steven Yeun, he wanted his comic book death. He said this on Talking Dead, if memory serves correctly.
Don’t really blame him. It’s a good death and if he wanted to pursue other things then that’s fine. Doesn’t meant I wouldn’t have liked to see more Glenn 🥲
@@thethriftytypewriter What kills me is that the last real dialogue that Glenn had was addressed to Daryl. He said: "We gotta go back home. It's gonna go wrong out here." Haunting last words. He was right.
@@Hierarkh never even thought about that. That’s pretty haunting tbh
@@thethriftytypewriter Another reason why Daryl felt so much guilt. Not just because he punched Negan, leading to Glenn's death. But also because Glenn was only out there and captured because he was looking for Daryl and trying to bring him home in the first place, like a true brother.
If you remember they also left his name off of the opening credits until the ep aired where he came out from under the dumpster. Honestly.. That whole dumpster scene was bad. Fans referred to it as jumping the shark moment.
I remember watching the interview with Steven Yeun after the ep aired where he crawled out from under the dumpster and he was sitting there with Scott Gimple talking about "Thank You" and how he had to hide out (in real life) so nothing was given away. They wanted the fans to think he was dead 🙄
He wasn't to happy with that ending dumpster scene and it was weird that Gimple was there sitting Next to him. It was through satellite and Steven honestly looked uncomfortable.
No mention of how Glenn somehow magically flipped 180 degrees so that his head would be close to the dumpster.
Next episode you should cover is “Them” from Season 5. Mainly because this episode will always stand out to me. I know the episode is not really eventful or have a lot of action, but it provides the embodiment of what a zombie apocalypse can do to someone. As we can see after having encounters with cannabis and crazy cops to losing Bob, Beth, and Tyrese, the group becomes very tired, distrustful, depressed, and paranoid. With them only looking after their flock.
"encounters with cannabis" lol Gareth and the boys just had some munchies
Best filler episode in the show. Our group was in a pure survival mode. Simply brilliant.
“We are the walking dead!” 🔥🔥
What stands out about that episode is the element of family, the group despite them going through so much like Aaron says I think they never turned on each other
underrated ep
is this your channel? or am i mistaken?
When you think about the characters with moral compasses in relation to Glenn, Glenn had very strong role models with Dale being the first to teach him, then coming Hershel, and after that he was left as the sole moral character in the group. He was made for his role and it was sad to see him break his character when he killed but not unsurprising when you reflect back in season 2 when he sided with the group on killing the prisoner.
He's a follower, him going against his morals is proof of that.
@@azoniarnl3362 nah it’s proof of his loyalty. The fact he was willing to break his moral code because of his trust in rick
@@cthulhutube3839 Yes putting loyalty above yourself is what a follower does..
Rick shooting the Wolves through the RV's walls was both smart and epic.
Well he would be a fool to wait for them to see him
he prolly got deaf after that
@@Stove79 he shot a gun in the tank in episode 1. He's been deaf for years at this point
"Rick, you have to go off this Bridge"
"... excuse me?"
"The Bridge! Its getting overrun by Walkers"
"What?"
"Walkers are heading towards the Bridge!!!"
"Hey, im not a Snitch!"
"No, I said a horde of Walkers is heading in your Direction"
"I didnt quite catch that..."
"GOD DAMNIT RICK, MOVE"
"Huh?"
"THEY ARE RIGHT BEHIND YOU"
"Ok, whatever, no more time for smalltalk. I have to move, a huge Horde of Walkers is right behind me. Wouldve bern nice of you to warn me, Daryll. Thanks for nothing"
"... I quit"
I didn't realize they were Wolves until reading this!
I think if he did die in this episode, they should have put the speech he gave to Enid about 'we carry on to honor those who can't' in an earlier episode, because that was the only thing I truly would have missed from his further arc. I do absolutely love the symbolism of him being underneath the dumpster and Enid finding him - Enid being severely mentally ill at the time and wondering 'what is the point anymore' and Glenn, someone who is the optimist and always sees the good in everything, surviving only because Walkers were busy consuming the body of someone else, hiding under a filthy, smelly dumpster, coming out covered in blood and probably smelling terrible, being at one of his lowest points - and he still comes out of that with enough mental optimism to give Enid a cheerful point of view about the situation at hand. I have always loved watching TWD to feel better when I am having bad mental health episodes, and watching Glenn come out of this is definitely a point that gives me hope
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Around 12:15 you state that glenn didn't know about Maggie's pregnancy before his fake death? He was fully aware of the baby then. He mentions it to Maggie in episode 6x1 during the meeting very subtly and also tells Enid about the baby when he finds her.
I remember crying so much when I saw this, and when he came back I was so happy. And when he died again, I still bawled my eyes out.
Damn thats what happens when you dont know the comic
I didn’t I thought it was stupid how many fake outs in that season he had. The writers did him dirty too making him kill someone in their sleep just to foreshadow that dumb picture on the wall. Character assassination.
Had a stressful week, then I saw you uploaded and it made my Friday!
Definitely wish Glenn stayed on the show more. Or at least appeared in a flashback or two. Heck, I would even settle for a spin off prequel on Glenn’s past as a pizza delivery guy! 😂
Damien you need to live a better life if a walking dead video cheers you up. Live in the real world bro.
Screw you 😊@@sparkdrive2900
@@sparkdrive2900Maybe shut up and let people enjoy what they do
I would LOVE a “Four Walls and a Roof” video. It’s always been such a moment for me in the story and I feel like no one talks about it!
Absolutely BRILLIANT episode
Unpopular opinion or not, I can definitely see what you mean and agree to an extent. As much as I was happy to have Glenn back, I hated the fake out (especially given that I knew what was waiting for him).
That episode where they forced Glenn to kill the Saviours was honestly one of my most disliked episodes for the exact reasons you mentioned. Character deaths always feel the most impactful when it is because of their choices, good or bad. As such, Glenn dying due to his good nature and moral compass would be a fitting end that perfectly explains the darker path of the group afterwards. Thanks again for the video.
I just finished a rewatch of season 6 the other day. Season 6 has been my favourite season since it aired
Same here
How?
@@korkenzieher season 6 was fire
@@thegrove5259 Very boring compared to 1/3/4 + almost no original cast left
@@korkenzieher 2 was great
Great video! Just one more thing about Glen's character arc after this episode that you left out. He finds Enid and they journey back together. He helps her with the bleak attitude that she has. They enter the church and Glen give a fantastic speech to her about how people that die live on afterwards through the people that they have impacted. She asks him who are those people to you? He says his parents, Dale, Hershel, Tyreese. A really cool moment that gives Enid strength and hope and resonates even more after Glen dies. Glen becomes one of those that died but still influences and inspires Maggie, Rick, Michonne, Daryl, Enid, and others.
Well... not Enid... lol.
@@Sebastian-vc4xz Well it did impact Enid for the next 7 or 8 years after that. 1.5 years time skip between season 8-9 plus 6 year time skip after the bridge incident. But yeah, she eventually ran out of mileage. LOL!
@@ThePercussionRealm Ah yeah fair, I forget how much time they skipped.
It would’ve been interesting if Glenn had died in ‘Thank You’ but Nicholas would’ve survived and had done the same thing he did when Aiden died, blamed something instead of himself. It would’ve been cool to see Maggie resent Nicholas and then he would be a character taken out by Negan suffering the death Glenn had in the comics making it ironic. That way Abrahams death wouldn’t have been overshadowed and it would’ve opened up the universe to a time where Maggie and Negan would see eye to eye on something. Where oddly enough she didn’t resent but thanked Negan doing bad on another character who was so hated.
But Glenn’s fake death scene was caused by Nicholas shooting himself, knocking Glenn off the dumpster into the horde of zombies. So how would Nicholas have survived if Glenn died?
Wouldn't be satisfying for the fans
rewatching just bc i can
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Same 😊
Getting our boy thrifty some more watch time since YT wants to be like that
Glenn already knew he was a father before any of this. It's why he wanted Maggie to stay in Alexandria instead of helping with the horde
This was a really good episode it was so hectic and I did not know what to expect
Honestly speaking of this episode and Glenn dying to the Walkers it would have been the biggest gut punch because of who it is. Not Glenn as a character per se, but the type of survivalist he is. He was quick, smart, thrifty, knew how to plan escapes no matter the situation with his history as a pizza delivery boy. However... What do you do when you have a freshly dead body on you that is clearly heavier than you? A situation that despite you being strong woulda been near impossible to get out of and don't? Imagine if he died here and a few episodes later we had a zombified Glenn that Daryl, Michonne, or Maggie would have to put down?
I rewatched season 1 recent and oh my word I didn’t realise the walkers could run & climb and use objects like rocks to break things. I just remember them being slow haha
Fresh walkers are much more dangerous
@@Gavalixyno actually it was due to different producers in s1
To me, this was the point when TWD started to decline. Up to then, the show had always prioritized realism and storytelling regardless of what happened in the comic. But once Negan was on the horizon, the show reverted to tricks and cliches to try and manipulate the audience into thinking certain events would or wouldn’t happen. It never recovered and S7 and 8 only got worse.
Thank you for reuploading I miss the livestream ❤️
Of course. Thank you for watching!
5:59 In THE WOOOOODDDDDSSSSSSS
100% agree! My favorite point you made was that Glenn’s absence in the second half of the season would have made a lot of sense in the context of the survivors’ dark turn
Without Glenn in season 7 the path the group took in the first half of season 7 would not have seemed so dark. He was needed to remind viewers that members of the group had never killed people.
Thank You is my favorite episode and I also really like the 1st half of season 6, Glenn was my favorite character and the character arc they gave him was really good, and I specially love the way you break down the episodes you cover. Great video Thrifty 👍🏻👍🏻.
I agree, it would've been so interesting to explore people not knowing what happened to him and some people still having hope he'd come back.
Him coming back was a ridiculous choice.
Even though I was sad when Glenn died to negan I think it was a great way to show that negan is not afraid to kill
Negan killing Glenn was also an effective catalyst for Maggie's resolve to defeat him. If I recall correctly, it is her that sets the preparations in motion to engage them in battle.
pretty amazing that Scott of all people is one of only 2 OG Alexandrians to make it to the series finale, especially considering he survived this episode despite a gunshot wound and the only other original Alexandrian, Aaron, is a straight up main character by the end. Scott was the most untouchable Red Shirt in TWD history. honorable mention to Diane.
I do think there was a really wasted opportunity to see the impact of Glenn going against his morals and going down a darker path. Glenn was always the moral compass of the group, he saw the best in people and gave people who wronged him a second chance, and he never killed until he was forced into it, and it really shook him, but he didn't live long enough for it to really affect him. I think it actually would've been great if they killed Abraham and maybe Sasha too as she doesn't really do anything after this and is just annoying, we can still get the revenge storyline with Rosita, but have Maggie lose the baby and Glenn live. Some people say Maggie shouldve died, but I think she's too important in the story going forward and killing her would be too much, especially as she was the last character tying things to the Greene family. But if she had a miscarriage because of what was happening to her and the trauma of the line up, that would definitely push Glenn into becoming more immoral and unhinged and becoming a darker character. Seeing Glenn vs Negan I think would've been a lot cooling and more satisfying than vs Rick, and Glenn couldve died in season 8 instead of Carl, and because he was the moral compass, Rick wants to make peace with Negan to honour him, as he was his best friend. I've only just thought of this now, but it actually makes a lotta sense, and would've been so much better. Maybe it wouldve been too much for Maggie to lose her baby AND Glenn, she'd definitely never be able to have the same redemption and forgiveness arc with Negan, but maybe Glenn could get her pregnant again and she could still have her baby
Should let u write the show cuz this would have been fire 🔥
mans COOKED 🔥
The thing is, they kinda teased that for Glenn with the whole Nicholas situation but a lot of that was wrapped up rather quickly. Even with that being said, I think Steven yeun was more or less ok with being done with the walking dead. They didn’t really know what to do with that character and in hindsight, if he has stayed attacked, idk if we would have gotten the movies he’s put out.
Glenn wanted his comic death. The show runners were probably trying to see how the fans would react if we thought glenn was dead
To me this is where the show started to come undone. Where it became about gimmicks and not story.
It was already hanging on by a thread before that.
The dumpster scene was a dead give away that he lived cause a main characters death needs to be seen by other characters to verify he died. That case he was all alone and no one to say he died was obvious he’d come back. Then ultimately dies in front of anyone.
Great video. I agree on Glenn. I liked his character, and at the time he was even more popular than Rick or Daryl. But... season 2 had a story for Glenn, then season 3, 4, and then 5. Season 6.. he was legit just waiting around moping after this episode, waiting for the bat.
Hey, Thrifty Typewriter! I have a suggestion for a potential future video. You may be interested in possibly creating a character analysis video about Abraham. I feel like most people just kinda write off Abraham as the simple tough badass character when, in fact, there seems to have been so much more interesting aspects about him. Like his grief with losing his previous family, his purpose for surviving being to save the world, his desire to have children with Sasha, etc..
Just an idea! Anyways I enjoyed this video as usual!
maybe if nicholas ddnt knock glenn down and just died to save glenn instead, and the rest of the story still plays out as normal, that coulda been ok maybe, basically just remove the fakeout idk
it was like a testing the waters and getting people ready for his death later
Nice exploration of the episode, I actually always saw Nicholas as useless but this actually made me look deeper. Nicholas was useless and selfish but then he grew thanks to Glenn, the problem was in this scenario he was seriously out of his depth. He kind of represents the Alexandrians, he was selfish and useless but he ultimately means well the trouble is with the darkness of the world edging closer to home they are totally out of their depth.
Dude I have been saying this for years! The fake out with this totally took the impact of negan killing him out for me and I just didn't care. Effectively I was ready for him to be gone after the bait and switch stuff they pulled
The only thing people think of related to this episode is the Glen fake out death, which sucks in a way, since it was such a well done episode that was tense from start to finish. I remember being really shocked and saddened by his "death" as it happened, but it immediately hit me that it was, in fact, a fitting, ironic and damn near heartbreaking end for the character.... then Talking Dead came on, and like you, I knew he was alive.
why did they do this? IMO, they were testing the waters, seeing how people would react to Glen''s death. Would they lose a lot of viewers the very next week or would people accept losing a fan favorite.... We will obviously never know if Im right, but it does make some sense.
I had this exact thought the other day. Nice vid!
love that you watched this series with your mother i did the same great times
GREAT times for sure
I totally agree, Glenn is one of my favorite characters, and I didn't want him to die, but I really liked the Nicholas arc and it felt like it really exemplified how Glenn is just too trusting. I believe Glenn would have survived on his own, but he chose to put his trust in Nicholas knowing the area which ends up being his fatal (or not) mistake. It was pretty cringey and immersion breaking for him to survive under the dumpster only to die after not really furthering his character in a satisfying way.
Yes, I completely agree the fake out death was so unnecessary. It took away from when he actually died. I felt this episode continuing the previous episode wasn’t done well. They could’ve just shown how the Alexandrians weren’t really prepared for the outside world. And show the Ricks group come back with just Heath and Scott. They would tell the Alexandrians what happened. This would show them that they need to learn from Rick and his group.
Oh boy you will see me in the next one. Every video you upload gives me a different perspective in the walkimg dead episodes or make my opinions have a better argument. Every analysis you make is great and I can’t wait for the next video
Loving these videos. Thank you. Also: I know they are old but I loved this show so much.
I totally agree, man. I was so sure Glenn ws gone, and the way he survived was super cheesy and made no sense.
They could have done a tribute to Glenn with someone else dying like he does in the comics, set them up as a valuable character. It felt like such a waste of time to bring him back because we all knew Negan was coming, and we all knew what Negan does.
I concur with your points. Watching this made me sob for Glenn all over again.
Hard disagree. They never should've done the fake dumpster death in the first place but he simply had to meet his comic book fate.
Carter could have died against the cause but died for it Nicolas too. I love this standalone scenes of characters like Carter, Nicolas and Jesse (being against Rick's help personally in Jesse case) being against Rick and the group but learned their lesson in their own way - just great writing, they nailed different characters cases instead of Alexandria people being a sheep horde doing every command
AMAZING VIDEO THRIFTYYYYY KEEP GOING I COULD WATCH YOU REVIEW ANY SHOW
AMAZING video. You truly nailed it.
Great vid man keep up the great work
I’m not mad that Gleen died to Negan.
I’m mad that they pulling the “subverting expectation” move by killing Abraham first and THEN killing Gleen.
Kinda F***ed up that they put the human life, and not even that but the life of a beloved secondary character. On a scale of who’s death mattered more.
Negan only killed Gleen in the comics and left everyone devastated.
If Show Negan only killed Abraham and the rest of the group moved on with their day it would paint Rick’s group as a bunch of monsters!
Ultimately, Glenn should've either gone one of three paths
1. He dies in the Dumpster, the main moral compass of the core group lost from his own belief in others
2. The dumpster scene never happens and he dies in the line up
3. He survives the line up and we see how he is tested during the war.
Personally understand how him dying in this episode would've probably worked out better for the show and fits the story and characters and it would've made Abraham's death more impactful rather than how it was overshadowed by the season 1 character
They should have given Glenn a storyline with Morgan. He really did seem to fit the “All life is precious” mentality and his death would’ve been properly set up
i agree its not even the fakeout death that bothers me really (ive gotten over it over time) but whats irritating is the fact that he doesnt serve any more real purpose to the story afterwards like you said. in fact, his remaining time alive did nothing but make his death more tragic by having him break his moral code and kill somebody before getting done in himself. however i thought he was already aware that he was going to be a dad? i could be wrong but didnt he know since that one flashback when he alludes to Maggie being pregnant?
Yea he did know, when they’re otw to hilltop, they talk about it extensively in the rv, and Abraham’s little innuendo about pouring the bisquick
Even before that moment.
In the first episode of this season when they are showing a flashback and it’s in black and white, the group is deciding who will participate in the plan. Glenn and Maggie have some dialogue about her staying behind for more than just being support for Deana. Implying that it’s something more now. It’s cute
@@brooklynbutter5357 yeah thats the moment i was thinking about! and @Nathan that moment was at the end of season 6 so it was definitely after this episode but i appreciate the help :)
This was the beginning of the end for me. we all basically mourned losing Glenn after the episode was over, even with Talking Dead being “grief counseling”, then to just magically allow him to survive in the most unbelievable scenario made me realize the writers only are aiming for viewership, not a good story. The walkers had been so little of a threat to the main group up until this point, so to have one of the most beloved characters go out the way he was brought in would have been pretty poetic. Glenn’s real death was the nail in the coffin for me. The show had become just shock value and it was an exhausting and bleak experience even tuning in every week.
I have yet to watch season 11 and rewatch the show but seasons 3, 5, 6, and 9 are probably my favorite seasons of the show.
Can we please take a moment to appreciate the performance of the actor who played Nicholas
Already saw this but leaving a like and comment for the re-upload 👍🏼
very well thought and organized well done
it wouldn’t have been what anybody would’ve wanted. especially glenn who everyone loved. but in light of the spare time he was given and the actions he had to take despite being morally against it, you make a great point. i’d feel bad for maggie not being there with him in the moment but it would’ve spared her from witnessing the tragedy that came to be
I never believed Glen died. Since you saw intestines coming from his chest or chest. So it wasn't him since those organs aren't that high up.
Glenn's death, could of caused Rick too become overprotective, which could of lead into confrontation issues with Negan.
Just an idea, but love your videos man!
Would be crazy if Rick's injury foreshadows his immune.
Glenn knew about Hershel
I keep getting your old videos on my “just uploaded” notifications 😂
I always thought him killing during the satellite raid WAS a sign that the group’s moral compass had fallen. And it was a perfect parallel to Carol’s whole arc starting out too.
Basically signifying why the group falls apart like they do in the finale, because they even corrupted their own moral compass. Still, it’s a nice video and I’m not entirely opposed to your opinion! Well put and sorry your OG vid got age restricted.
Honestly I hated the whole “I guess that ricks group is bad too” plot, like yeah they’re murdering dozens of people but most of them deserve it, the guy Glenn killed had an array of pictures of dead people on his wall for crying out loud.
I remember that when Glenn dies, I had no more tears because I had already mourned his death with this episode.
Rick grimes was a great character, Andrew Lincoln did an amazing job. But it's like rick grimes kept on forgetting he was an apocalypse and people close to him would die, while all the other leaders understood people will die close to them
Thank you for reminding me of the awesome scene where Rick empties the ak through the side of the rv using those wolves as backstops
When Robert Kirkman was asked if faking Glenn’s death in this episode was a stunt to gauge audiences reaction to his actual death by negan, he said “no.” But then it begs the question wtf was the point of this cop out death episode. They did the same thing before with Glenn on the bus after the prison fight. Glenn was the only character that should have had a different fate from his comic book character. Everyone knew it was coming and was still pissed for good reason.
I remember rage quitting from watching this show after that death.
8:45 Jo, what's Waltuh doing in here
Glenn’s my favorite character, s1, 2, and 3 being my favorite versions of o him. Bringing him back after this just felt, unusual, but I would’ve loved to see glenn live to the end tho
I might be one of the few people that feel that he shouldn't have died until close to the end of the show. I think the show jumped the shark when he died.
After watching a few of your videos I only realized just now that the song in your intro is from the Dead of the Night zombies map on black ops 4 lol.
I liked that you brought up Talking Dead not having Steven appear because that was literally the #1 reason for every WD list that said reasons Glenn isn’t dead. Another thing from what I remember there were also photo leaks showing him filming the back half a S6 which also spoiled that Jesus was gonna be introduced which had people theorizing that Jesus rescues Glenn. Definitely one of my favorite episodes but the takeout does hurt it because it felt insulting that the producers thought the fanbase would fall for it. One of the things people know with TWD is that when someone dies another person has to see it otherwise it would cause a loose end that they wouldn’t be able to resolve in a believable way
*Thank You.*
Damn I forgot how fucking fantastic this episode was cause I was crying over Glenn haha. The Walking Dead will always be special because of episodes like this
I disgree, I'm glad they went the comic book route and really paid homage to the source material
This may be a bad take idk. But I think the way they did Glenn's character throughout the show was just foreshadowing his death. And I think they did this so many times that it sorta ruined the character a bit for me.
Well it's a show that's already been written... everyone knew Glenn's death would happen eventually.
thats kinda true... i like his character a lot but this feeling was always following me along the way... i never read the comics but i did get spoilers that he would die tho
I think it's also really stuffed that he sees his own death looking at the battered gorey pictures when he first kills at the savior base. Chills down my spine rewatching that.
One of my favorite moments is when rick is trying to start the RV and it doesn't start and he just hss this wide eyed defeated look on his face. One of the only rimes he looks truly lost
I hope there’s a point where you discuss “The Grove”. Obviously the meme is the part everyone remembers, but to me, it’s my favorite episode, despite basically being a spin off of sorts.
It manages to be so disturbing, so intense, despite the fact that there’s barely any gore, and almost the entire main cast isn’t there. The moral arguments, the realisation that Carol and Tyreese might only have that one option, all before the execution was so gripping, and so heart wrenching.
It hit me harder than any other episode, even with how much I liked characters like Glenn or Herschel.
And I think it almost being a one off ironically helped make it better, since you genuinely don’t know what’s going to happen, and you could honestly show it to someone who’s never seen the series, while still having the same impact. It was just, *so* ridiculously good in my opinion.
remember: If we don't see the character physically die, they're most likely not dead
I remember thinking Glenn died in this episode. But then i found out he actually died differently in the comics so then i knew he was good. For a while longer anyway.
This episode nearly made me quit. Then the cliffhanger positively sent me. I was officially done and haven't watched an episode since.
I think a trip to the Tractor Supply store could really minimize some smaller hoards.
On top of that what if Maggie went through trauma and nightmares of the lineup just because it happens, and Glenn survives, so she either has more reason to hate Negan or Glenn hates Negan and begins conspiring to lead hilltop and rebel first
One important scene people forget was in season 3 when Glenn gets mad at Rick for not killing Merle when he rescued him and Maggie from Woodbury. Glenn was never truly a zombie world leader. He basically never took part in killing other living people all the way till season 6, and even then he was extremely uncomfortable with it. He was great at going on runs, had a very high IQ when it came to strategy and was great at putting down walkers, in fact he was probably the best at runs out of all of them, but when it came to the really dirty work (that was necessary) he always took a backseat to Rick or anyone else that had the spine to do it. It was because of his friendship with Rick that he survived so long. Rick and the others acted as a sort of shield for Glenn when it came to life or death situations involving other humans. The bar scene in "Nebraska" is also a great example, he was in that bar with Rick and Herschel, and Glenn had a shotgun and didn't even try to help Rick kill those two guys. Glenn was like Tyreese, strong in a lot of ways but hated being violent or killing other people, even if they were his enemies. Point is, that Glenn preferred to let Rick or Daryl do the dirty work.
i still do not know how was it possible that glenn got pinned down by nicholas's body and i keep saying it was for a lame fakeout
i think if they planned for him to die to negan they never should have included this episode cuz i think s7e1 would not have been the same if it was anyone other than abraham and glenn but also i am glad glenn didnt die here because i dont like when the messages of deaths in this show are "you cant help people thats why you died" which is part of the reason i hated how tyresse went out but overall great video you make a lot of good points
Man... this show could've been so much better if the would've had less characters and more development, and just better writing all around. For example, by Season 6 anyone that survived would be tough, carved out of steel. How would all of Alexandria be totally soft, they would have to defend what they had, they would have to kill walkers, go out, defend theirs, . the idea that they just lived in this town where people just didn't have problems is totally not believable, that is bad writing.
I wouldn’t say it’s unbelievable that they are soft, the community originally had designated people who did all of the “grunt work” while the other citizens just chilled instead of being trained to be as capable as those going out.