I experienced the same with an old 90 year old teacher. All the body connected power from one point. 1 teacher had us moving the entire body then making it a smaller and small movement but keeping the same power. In the end you got the same effect with less movement.
@@flashytcw8609 jaja what a waste of time for you to get into every comment and puke that. You better see another thing. Or go look for a shifu who has the skill. Nobody here is going to convence you. But you clearly have doubts. So go for it. Take a workshop.
@@flashytcw8609 it is, it’s just way beyond your limited understanding and something you’ll never be able to do with that attitude. Stop showing how naive you are lmao😂 you’re not real bro.
I was on board, until today…this is not something I can accept cold. I don’t doubt Sifu Mizner’s has some real high-level skill-but this is asking a lot. I know they’ll be people saying that I’m not allowed to be skeptical-but how can you not be without having experiencing it first-hand?
I don’t think anyone would say that you just have to accept it and of course you’re allowed to be skeptical, it’s the best way to be in some ways. Don’t just blindly believe - but just approach it with an open mind and go and experience it for yourself 👍🏻
Doubt is expansion of the gap between the two selves. Understanding this, reduces that gap. The only difference in "belt ranks" is the student's degree of understanding.
@@philorlowski2681 now expand that way of thinking and try this on an opponent who isn’t playing along. Walk in to a Brazilian Jiu jitsu gym and try the things you have learned during live sparing and someone who is actively resisting you.
I have been a solid follower of Adam for some time. I also practice Taiji/Qigong myself and have always looked forward to Adams content. To echo some of the sentiment here: I too feel that this video crossed a line that I never thought would be crossed. It greives me to now feel that I have to approach future videos with caution--should I continue to follow the channel. I am not going to pick apart this video in public forum because: 1. the concerns are already echoed in past comments. 2. I have a deep respect for the Taiji art form and Adam's skills in the art. I will be willing to reply in private forum if there is an actual need. I don't feel that this is a concern that can be over simplified to mere ignorance, "hate", etc. I just sincerly hope that there is a *genuine* introspective understanding as to why this sentiment exists and a resolution be provided. It's my wish that my faith in this channel be restored--as I would like to continue to follow this channel and enjoy future content, without the burdening overhead of skepticism.
I don't know if it's real or not I wasn't there but the trouble with this kind of thing is you get the Dillman effect where the body of work is discredited because of this one little moment. Probably best kept behind closed doors
Hey @@the-toecutter, Agreed. I still find the rest of the work in this channel wonderful, informational, and inspiring. I respect Adam's mastery of the art and would still LOVE to take one of his classes sometime. I know there are MANY different videos out there that paint this type of of picture of what Qi is and how its used. I feel that when one goes down this road, it is a slippery slope as it may paint a picture for people (about the art) that may not be 100% accurate--especially for people who may not know anything about it. So, I feel that this is something that really needs to be taken with precaution for the very reason you mentioned. I would hate to see all the work in this channel discredited by any means. I have the highest hopes that it doesn't.
@@flashytcw8609 are u referring to the sitting down leg thing .. yeah extremely hard to believe and the students reaction😊😊😂. I’m really in 2 minds about this guy , how much of him is Legit, how much exaggerated. Saw a very long clip of him with worlds strongest ?man.? And they , .. weren’t sparring , but they did something like .. I got to back and watch , maybe strong guy try to move him and couldn’t .. yeah I know , doesn’t really relate to fighting and that is really what tai chi is about ,supposedly,and not fighting just using mystical chi power . I just mention it coz the strong man isn’t fake , nor playing along . I dont believe he had any motive to play along co operate 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
It must be tiresome ignoring the ignorant skeptics here. I personally get a great deal out of these discussions and demonstrations. I have studied for many years and only now am I beginning to understand more clearly the points you are making.
You have no idea if it is of relevance to your spiritual path? What does that even mean. That would be as silly as saying I always wanted to learn the guitar or the piano but I have no idea if it's of any relevance to my spiritual path. It is a musical instrument and just is. There should be no story, opinion, judgement or belief attached to it. It just is. The same thing applies to any other art form you want to learn like painting or to sculpting. Tai Chi is no different and , any spiritual beliefs, judgement, opinions you attach to it is completely built from your own baggage and nothing to do with Tai Chi.
Interesting. Almost 400 likes. When we give someone authority over us, when we believe what we are seeing and hearing, and we do that often, we absolutely have to believe in them otherwise we will lose faith in our ability to discriminate. As a result, we will comply with and empower that authority. Simply put, we let them control us, and we are very, very easy to control. We want to believe. We want to be led. We like being a member of a herd, a true believer. It's fine for those who want to follow, who want to believe. "The fool who persists in his folly will become wise". The truth always makes itself known.
The Truth is by scientific experimentation in person.... That is the only way you will know if real or not. If we are being totally honest. Watching a Video and making assumptions its not real is a unfortunate thing. Rather sit on the fence and if one really wants to know the truth go test it for oneself in person. Otherwise its Opinions based on only what one has experienced in life to this day.... We all know there is a lot more each of us have not seen or experienced in life. Best to be on the fence neither believe or disbelieve.. and Then go to find the truth... You cant start a path of discovery if you don't take the first step isn't it . Whether then you believe or not is based on the outcome of your experience being there .
Thank you for the clear demonstration and explanation, Sifu. Quick question: When you are demonstrating the qi mobilizing through the leg, it appears there is a muscular contraction in your leg. Is this part of the mobilization process, bracing against force, or something else? Thank you for the clarification!
@@DiscoverTaijihow long will my hips take to develop this as I just got past the heal stage. Until I can fully do that out of my legs? Do I need the flexibility?
Ce que certaines personnes ne comprennent pas! Cest que, ce n'est pas directement les niveaux physiques qui sont touché. Mais, l'esprit qui est bousculé et perd ses repères.
Very interesting while I can see why some people are sceptical about this I wouldn't rule anything out. Who knows the world 8s stranger than you think🤔
@RedPanda his push hands videos, his old videos of him light sparring, and his ability to articulate the art in a clear and concise manner shows his level of knowledge on the subject I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt because this might be one of those situations where you have to feel it to believe it...but based off the video the student seems unnecessarily compliant, which makes me question his old videos. If he has ability, why would he go out of his way to conjure up videos that would be considered boderline supernatural But what would really confirm if he's BS or not is a fight...against Xu Xiaodong or who ever is not going to be compliant with him After all, this is a martial art is it not?
@@YinYangSeperation I come from a background studying Chen Family Taijiquan from a lineage of someone that Mizner himself had publically stated to be an example of what mastery looks like. And, when it comes to concise/precise articulation, a politician can have those traits while saying a bunch of platitudes. If I say: "I am for the good, and I am against the bad." that is clear and precise language... but it's a platitude. Who's going to disagree with that statement? I've heard that line of reasoning plenty of times - people thinking someone is legit because it's in clear language.
Adam has countless videos pushing hands with non-students. Unless you're claiming that anyone who somehow gets close enough to touch him mysteriously becomes a student?
This is so embarrassing to create such lies with overacting students. The magic of the lie to generate students. Tai chi is about honesty and not fake marketing
Yes I have heard all of this before from lots of ignorant martial artists who really don't have a clue and have never experienced touching hands with someone skilled like the Sifu in this video. I agree that while there definitely are charlatans aplenty out there, there are also plenty of high level teachers and instructors out there who are not lying to or cheating their students and are genuine as the gentleman in this video is. The real proof here is whether or not the students of the teacher can themselves do what the teacher demonstrates. All of the students here already know without doubt what they experience when they touch hands with him. They don't require convincing or a belief of any kind as they have physically felt what happens to their bodies and there is some body understanding that is transferred. These students can themselves do some of what is demonstrated here and with enough hard work and practice over years they can achieve these skills themselves and use it effectively against others. They wouldn't continue to train so hard every day and spend time and money travelling to seminars to learn if they weren't getting the genuine article. So the only embarrassing thing here, is your lack of understanding and judgement without first meeting with the teacher and experiencing for yourself what is true and what is false. Part of the problem here is that you look at this video and think that the teacher is pretending to do something mystical or magical. Nothing could be further from the truth, as he is using normal abilities that everyone can achieve with patience, time and hard work.
I experienced the same with an old 90 year old teacher. All the body connected power from one point. 1 teacher had us moving the entire body then making it a smaller and small movement but keeping the same power. In the end you got the same effect with less movement.
Its not real bro.
@@flashytcw8609 jaja what a waste of time for you to get into every comment and puke that. You better see another thing. Or go look for a shifu who has the skill. Nobody here is going to convence you. But you clearly have doubts. So go for it. Take a workshop.
@@kokuyoz I finished 4.th grade in school so I know how basic physics work and I know that magic isnt real.
@@flashytcw8609 it is, it’s just way beyond your limited understanding and something you’ll never be able to do with that attitude. Stop showing how naive you are lmao😂 you’re not real bro.
@@littlecannon lmfao ok bro. Have fun with the magic and tell Harry Potter I say hi lmao
This is amazing and more people need to see Sifu's body of work and contribution to this world. A true spritual master.
OMG come on man for real .
Silk is fascia?
I was on board, until today…this is not something I can accept cold. I don’t doubt Sifu Mizner’s has some real high-level skill-but this is asking a lot. I know they’ll be people saying that I’m not allowed to be skeptical-but how can you not be without having experiencing it first-hand?
I don’t think anyone would say that you just have to accept it and of course you’re allowed to be skeptical, it’s the best way to be in some ways. Don’t just blindly believe - but just approach it with an open mind and go and experience it for yourself 👍🏻
Doubt is expansion of the gap between the two selves. Understanding this, reduces that gap. The only difference in "belt ranks" is the student's degree of understanding.
@@philorlowski2681 now expand that way of thinking and try this on an opponent who isn’t playing along. Walk in to a Brazilian Jiu jitsu gym and try the things you have learned during live sparing and someone who is actively resisting you.
Saying that you don't doubt his skill shows that you aren't skeptical enough. That's already placing a lot of faith.
This man’s a charlatan and you should be skeptical.
Thank you so much for sharing this publicly.
I have been a solid follower of Adam for some time. I also practice Taiji/Qigong myself and have always looked forward to Adams content.
To echo some of the sentiment here: I too feel that this video crossed a line that I never thought would be crossed. It greives me to now feel that I have to approach future videos with caution--should I continue to follow the channel.
I am not going to pick apart this video in public forum because:
1. the concerns are already echoed in past comments.
2. I have a deep respect for the Taiji art form and Adam's skills in the art. I will be willing to reply in private forum if there is an actual need.
I don't feel that this is a concern that can be over simplified to mere ignorance, "hate", etc. I just sincerly hope that there is a *genuine* introspective understanding as to why this sentiment exists and a resolution be provided. It's my wish that my faith in this channel be restored--as I would like to continue to follow this channel and enjoy future content, without the burdening overhead of skepticism.
I’m with you. This is too much.
I don't know if it's real or not I wasn't there but the trouble with this kind of thing is you get the Dillman effect where the body of work is discredited because of this one little moment. Probably best kept behind closed doors
Hey @@the-toecutter,
Agreed. I still find the rest of the work in this channel wonderful, informational, and inspiring. I respect Adam's mastery of the art and would still LOVE to take one of his classes sometime.
I know there are MANY different videos out there that paint this type of of picture of what Qi is and how its used. I feel that when one goes down this road, it is a slippery slope as it may paint a picture for people (about the art) that may not be 100% accurate--especially for people who may not know anything about it. So, I feel that this is something that really needs to be taken with precaution for the very reason you mentioned. I would hate to see all the work in this channel discredited by any means. I have the highest hopes that it doesn't.
Without internet commenters like you, where would this beloved art be? 🤣
@atmaram64I thought the original comment communicated in a most humble, rational, and respectful way
So awesome, so clear, so skilled. Now back to the hard work to keep opening the channels so they can one day be rivers.
Its not real bro.
@@flashytcw8609 - And you how do you know this...? Have you ever pushed with him?
@@TaichiStraightlife No, I passed 4th. grade in school so I have a basic understanding of physics.
@@flashytcw8609 😳😊😊😂
@@flashytcw8609 are u referring to the sitting down leg thing .. yeah extremely hard to believe and the students reaction😊😊😂. I’m really in 2 minds about this guy , how much of him is Legit, how much exaggerated. Saw a very long clip of him with worlds strongest ?man.? And they , .. weren’t sparring , but they did something like .. I got to back and watch , maybe strong guy try to move him and couldn’t .. yeah I know , doesn’t really relate to fighting and that is really what tai chi is about ,supposedly,and not fighting just using mystical chi power . I just mention it coz the strong man isn’t fake , nor playing along . I dont believe he had any motive to play along co operate 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
It must be tiresome ignoring the ignorant skeptics here. I personally get a great deal out of these discussions and demonstrations. I have studied for many years and only now am I beginning to understand more clearly the points you are making.
I bet he can only do it to his senior students. No way he could do this to someone who walks in off the street. I'll belive it when I see it.
I have a desire to learn this someday but i have no idea if it's of any relevance to my spiritual path. Still very cool tho :)
You have no idea if it is of relevance to your spiritual path? What does that even mean. That would be as silly as saying I always wanted to learn the guitar or the piano but I have no idea if it's of any relevance to my spiritual path. It is a musical instrument and just is. There should be no story, opinion, judgement or belief attached to it. It just is. The same thing applies to any other art form you want to learn like painting or to sculpting. Tai Chi is no different and , any spiritual beliefs, judgement, opinions you attach to it is completely built from your own baggage and nothing to do with Tai Chi.
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I like your "question"..
@@BaritoneUkeBeast4Life Who are you that you know all about live?
@@m4nuz Who is the one that is asking?
Hi, great video, thank you. Quick question, what is meant by "always keeping the ratio and proportions in mind"?
Corrections and more detailed instructions can be found in the DiscoverTaiji course and via its online community. First month is free.
This is increadible. What is the end goal of cultivating these things? Can it be used in meditation or smth?
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yes, literally incredible, unfortunately
@@grahamsw2 :)
Tcare
Interesting. Almost 400 likes.
When we give someone authority over us, when we believe what we are seeing and hearing, and we do that often, we absolutely have to believe in them otherwise we will lose faith in our ability to discriminate. As a result, we will comply with and empower that authority. Simply put, we let them control us, and we are very, very easy to control. We want to believe. We want to be led. We like being a member of a herd, a true believer.
It's fine for those who want to follow, who want to believe. "The fool who persists in his folly will become wise". The truth always makes itself known.
The Truth is by scientific experimentation in person.... That is the only way you will know if real or not. If we are being totally honest. Watching a Video and making assumptions its not real is a unfortunate thing. Rather sit on the fence and if one really wants to know the truth go test it for oneself in person. Otherwise its Opinions based on only what one has experienced in life to this day.... We all know there is a lot more each of us have not seen or experienced in life.
Best to be on the fence neither believe or disbelieve.. and Then go to find the truth... You cant start a path of discovery if you don't take the first step isn't it . Whether then you believe or not is based on the outcome of your experience being there .
Is it Fascia data exchange ?
Yes
Amazing.
Thank you for the clear demonstration and explanation, Sifu.
Quick question: When you are demonstrating the qi mobilizing through the leg, it appears there is a muscular contraction in your leg. Is this part of the mobilization process, bracing against force, or something else? Thank you for the clarification!
no contraction.
It was not muscular contraction but rather the white tissue reaction when chi was brought into the leg. Called Jin Lu.
@@DiscoverTaijihow long will my hips take to develop this as I just got past the heal stage. Until I can fully do that out of my legs? Do I need the flexibility?
What's that silk?
Thanks so much
Martial art that has spiritual touch in it is the strongest
no
@@flashytcw8609 , why don't?
Calling it a "touch" is quite the understatement.
This is BS.
Ce que certaines personnes ne comprennent pas! Cest que,
ce n'est pas directement les niveaux physiques qui sont touché.
Mais, l'esprit qui est bousculé et perd ses repères.
The real test of abilities has to do with the quality of your being and existence. You can have high level abilities and still be a shit head.
no doubt about it
Very interesting while I can see why some people are sceptical about this I wouldn't rule anything out. Who knows the world 8s stranger than you think🤔
Excelente , be one with the Force, huges for all !!!
Whoa.
Excellent explanation, thank you
🙏
I was thinking this guy was the real deal but this is starting to smell like BS
Xu Xiaodong, where you at?
I feel like this is bollocks. I thought he had some good push hands but this is just brainwashed compliance.
What made you entertain the idea that he was the 'real deal'? That's the part that I'm trying to figure out.
This man is a charlatan. He’s not even good at it. He is no more real then Santa clause or the tooth fairy
@RedPanda his push hands videos, his old videos of him light sparring, and his ability to articulate the art in a clear and concise manner shows his level of knowledge on the subject
I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt because this might be one of those situations where you have to feel it to believe it...but based off the video the student seems unnecessarily compliant, which makes me question his old videos. If he has ability, why would he go out of his way to conjure up videos that would be considered boderline supernatural
But what would really confirm if he's BS or not is a fight...against Xu Xiaodong or who ever is not going to be compliant with him
After all, this is a martial art is it not?
@@YinYangSeperation I come from a background studying Chen Family Taijiquan from a lineage of someone that Mizner himself had publically stated to be an example of what mastery looks like.
And, when it comes to concise/precise articulation, a politician can have those traits while saying a bunch of platitudes. If I say: "I am for the good, and I am against the bad." that is clear and precise language... but it's a platitude. Who's going to disagree with that statement?
I've heard that line of reasoning plenty of times - people thinking someone is legit because it's in clear language.
So cool!!!
👍
Yoonly show the amazing things you do but never the process or types of training to achieve this
i show the process to my students
✍🙏
This needs to Demonstrated on Non Students to see the real effect.
Wont happen.
Adam has countless videos pushing hands with non-students. Unless you're claiming that anyone who somehow gets close enough to touch him mysteriously becomes a student?
😅
Thanks yoda
This is so embarrassing to create such lies with overacting students. The magic of the lie to generate students. Tai chi is about honesty and not fake marketing
You don't know what you are talking about
Yes I have heard all of this before from lots of ignorant martial artists who really don't have a clue and have never experienced touching hands with someone skilled like the Sifu in this video. I agree that while there definitely are charlatans aplenty out there, there are also plenty of high level teachers and instructors out there who are not lying to or cheating their students and are genuine as the gentleman in this video is. The real proof here is whether or not the students of the teacher can themselves do what the teacher demonstrates. All of the students here already know without doubt what they experience when they touch hands with him. They don't require convincing or a belief of any kind as they have physically felt what happens to their bodies and there is some body understanding that is transferred. These students can themselves do some of what is demonstrated here and with enough hard work and practice over years they can achieve these skills themselves and use it effectively against others. They wouldn't continue to train so hard every day and spend time and money travelling to seminars to learn if they weren't getting the genuine article. So the only embarrassing thing here, is your lack of understanding and judgement without first meeting with the teacher and experiencing for yourself what is true and what is false. Part of the problem here is that you look at this video and think that the teacher is pretending to do something mystical or magical. Nothing could be further from the truth, as he is using normal abilities that everyone can achieve with patience, time and hard work.
@@BaritoneUkeBeast4Life okay so do the same video with me
He is a good seller and nothing else.
I really don’t like him, these bullshits are not real taichi And he doesn’t talk about martial arts!
@@masd27 Have you met him?
My man...