Gates only won because Apple was too expensive for most people, and it didn't have enough applications. Microsoft made an aggressive push to get developers on board with their platform.
@@moe47988not true 😂 you guys do know that Microsoft bailed Apple Out Of Debt in 1997 And Bill Gates Gave The Company Back Into Steve Jobs Hands If It Wasn’t For Steve Jobs Apple Wouldn’t Have Made The IPhone & Products They Came Out With In Those Early 2000s 🙃🫡
To this day, my favourite Bill-Steve moment was at D5 in 2007, where Steve ended the interview describing their relationship with this quote: "You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead."
as someone who's really into tech, I appreciate how you explained this from a tech-first perspective rather than solely business. you did a great job man
Bill Gates really did a great job at keeping his word at Ted Talk 2010. He did great at explaining what's happening now. Steve jobs hate is completely justified
Actually both of them were, but when you become rich and successful as they did people tend to view the past with rose tinted glasses. Most of Microsoft products were purchased from competitors.
There has been a long standing belief that foundation for Microsoft (MS Dos) was stolen. So what does it mean? It's a dirty game getting to the top. And yes it's true nice guys finish last.@@_Clivey
@@_Cliveyoh definitely steal. Apple steal ideas and most of the time have the "apple spin" on it while Microsoft product is usually a bunch of good products forced to work together
@@AquaFyrre I support your message, but the light bulb had diferent companies working in the creation of a useful bulb, if not Edison another company/scientist would have inveted it, and I dare to say that even around the same time.
@@_CliveySo getting smaller ideas from different places and combining those ideas to make a dream product into reality is "stealing"? You realize we have object oriented programing, gui's, and the computer mouse thanks to Xerox parc inviting Apple and Steve to check out its inventions because they couldnt put it out themselves? Apple had the blessing so they innovated and improved on it and put it out. Also how is iPhone stolen? Apple invented multi touch displays and Samsung and the rest followed. Apple is the innovator not the other way around.
The NExT computers weren't so much a failure, they were never marketed to the masses, instead they were made for use in companies and universities. The price tag reflected that. They found plently of customers in their niche, famously the World Wide Web began on a NExT Cube.
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The rivalry served them both and their respective corporations extremely well.
I love it when a friend come into my life and pushes it in a new and better direction. So far I've only had one friend that did that. To know Wozniac was that friend for Job makes me like him even more.
Believing anything Jobs said is a dangerous game, the man was an robot exclusively designed for marketing purposes... a lot of the stories he has told have been debunked by people that used to be close to him and he was quite known for embellishing them, the dude had a massive ego to the point that this "nerd war" only existed because he wanted it to Gates wouldn't have even thought of attacking him for being his competitor but I guess he was petty enough to retaliate or he saw the potential benefit of doing so; it was all just another marketing stunt by Jobs and you can consider him a genius for his marketing prouesse but in any other regard he brought next to nothing to the table (besides very poor work conditions). He became a billionaire by being a farce and he is remembered as a legend for being an even bigger farce. Dude was a genuine a**hole with a god complex to say the least and a top tier charlatan... but Gates is by no means a saint either.
Although I'm sure Jobs was a pathological liar, it actually is possible to survive in India with little to no money, and was probably even easier back then. I know somebody who did it for a year (he bought a one-way ticket) and if you're not too fussed about where you lay your head at night, you can get by even just working on a casual basis
Competition and rivalry can yield enhanced outcomes, underscoring a potential shortcoming of participation rewards. The concept of granting awards merely for attendance often inhibits genuine progress, as it doesn't necessarily promote a drive for excellence or improvement. I feel fortunate to have observed and reaped the benefits of this competition.
@@knivestv0 Bill Gates was raised in a very competitive household, where his parents kept creating little contests for their children. That's what made him so viciously competitive.
NEXT was also not a failure. It started out rough but they ended up becoming profitable and the tech they designed there became the foundation of OSX once apple bought them
How much next computers was used in the 90s? Name 5 programs running on next. Oh come on nothing made by saint jobs couldnt have been a failure for you dont you?
you're missing the entire point. NEXT made the best computers of the early 90's... they were just expensive and never available for the consumer market. but someone at Apple was smart, brought back Jobs, used the NEXT system as their business model, invented the iMac in 1998... and here we are! we dont need to name 5 programs running on NEXT.... just look at the GUI..... its 1991 > 2024. the same GUI we use today. NEXT and Jobs literally saved Apple. 3 years later the iPod was designed. BOOM
@@Teluric2 The very first web browser, doom, and quake were all developed initially on NeXT. iPhone was built from Mac OS X which is heavily based on their OS, NeXTSTEP. NeXT wasn't trying to make commodity products, but to advance the state of the art in workstation computing. It's not a household name, but once commodity hardware caught up with the demands of their OS design, that OS served Apple very well, allowing them to seamlessly transition between hardware platforms and release the iPhone's with then unheard of capabilities. You'd be hard pressed to find a better example of a little known company which had a large impact.
Honestly, Good One. I remember, not long after Steve Jobs passed, CNN made a small segment documenting his life and NONE of what you’ve covered was mentioned and I took that at face value, but after watching your video, I have felt rather enlightened.
Steve stole from the Xerox operation system technology Bill stole from steve and steve stole from Xerox Xerox created the operation system gui. in 1973 and had the best 50 computer scientists working for them Steve jobs said , when he saw Xerox gui. operation system, it blow his mind and said he knew every computer in the world will have gui. Operation system
@@alecogden12345 isn't that like saying when you recycle a jug of milk you're not recycling the container but you're actually recycling the space in your fridge? It's just not how people usually use that word.
I'm glad that Bill Gates and Windows existed alongside Mac. Now way I would've been able to afford a Mac in my younger days. Thanks to Bill and Windows, I'm a programmer today,
I share your sentiment. For me, the road forked early on when Apple committed to remain proprietary in everything. I sensed that was not the more practical path, and it certainly chafed with my own sensibilities.
Bill Gates is the true genius. He made basic a cross platform development tool already in the earpy 70's He brought programming into the room of any teen kid in the 70s and the 80s Nothing else shaped the future imo.
Steve Jobs hating Microsoft for originality is like the pot calling the kettle black, the man never invented anything. He stole preexisting technology from engineers and then had a team of designers develop a marketable product. PC (Steve Wozniak), mouse operated UI (Xerox), Apple OS/IOS (Unix/Solaris/GNU/BSD/Mach) touch gestures (Fingerworks)... even the Macintosh was technically overshadowed by the Apple IIGS which is why Steve deliberately sabotaged his own best friend and company just to get his under-powered/black & white junk on the front floor of the marketing department.
The inovation wasn't in the tech itself but the ingenuity to combine design with tech and make it more accessible to people. He didn't invent all the systems required for tech but his design principles made tech more mainstream and practical for the commons. And everyone ended up copying some of his principles for that.
@@steveavecillas1114 ------- That is a totally moronic take. He didn't steal anything from Xerox. Xerox HQ in New York made a deal with Steve for pre-IPO stock in Apple. Xerox had an option to get up to 100k shares of pre-ipo in Apple stock at $10 a share. It turned out to be a fabulous deal for Xerox and they made around 16 times their initial investment in profits as they subsequently sold the stock. He requested a 2 day look at the projects going on in Palo Alto by Xerox and didn't use similar code and changed the mouse in big ways and interface in big ways. The ingenious way the GUI was implemented was very different from Xerox. You are believing a lie propagated by Microsoft, Apple paid for a look and Microsoft stole the ideas.
He had the worst of so many qualities. He was the drug user who wasn't chill. He was the tech guy who couldn't code. He was an asshole boss and an absent father. The dude was a cult leader. It sucks he got to reap the rewards of the success and not the Woz.
Thanks for making the video, but there were a lot of errors in it, some omissions and some events that were ok, but in the incorrect order in the timeline. I don’t think they were intentional, there’s just a lot of history to condense into a short video. I lived and worked through all of this history so have some deeper and more day by day recollections. There’s too many points to raise in a TH-cam comment - but perhaps one worth mentioning was that when Microsoft “invested” money into Apple, it also came with a shared patent agreement. Microsoft were copying Apple incredulously, willfully and deliberately in the late 1990s. Apple had been fighting Microsoft in the courts but it was a losing battle against Microsoft’s dominance and bottomless finances. So Apple needed the money, Microsoft needed Apples patents. More importantly Microsoft needed to be seen to bring back Microsoft Office to the Mac (Excel was the first Microsoft product, and it was first released on the Mac) and Apple needed to offer that product to their customers. So the 1997 deal was more of a win, win for both parties, just for entirely different reasons. Another note would be that Microsoft Windows while dominant in the market, was a terrible, brittle OS that sat on top of MS DOS, however it was cheap, it was mostly compatible with anything and it thrived despite its shortcomings due to a lack of a viable competitor. Fast forward to today and Apple is worth US$2.73T, Microsoft is US$2.36T and the newcomer Google is US$1.65T. The market has matured and has far more options today. Interestingly - and finally - it was a NeXT Computer that was used by Tim Berners-Lee at CERN and became the world's first web server.
@@daysandwords Interesting. TH-cam creators make content and can either turn off comments or open their work for feedback. It’s kinda how the platform works. Next time, you can try using your own genius to contribute to constructive feedback (it’s actually ok to have different ideas and perspectives) or continue to throw cheap jibes. If you’ve made it this far - congratulations for making it past your 10 word limit!
Rather important error. Apple did not 'steal' anything from Xerox. Jeff Raski, an Apple employee had already documented his GUI based pC in 60s, before Parc existed. Apple contracted Xerox to be their think tank and they get lifetime license to PARC tech. Apple also pay Stanford for the sole license for the computer mouse. Doug Englebart, it's inventor is on record as confirming this and that no one else has ever licensed the invention. Xerox did however provide a demo of a working manifestation of the GUI based PC. But to be clear Apple did not steal this stuff.
I enjoyed some of this video, which is probably an OK video for somebody that doesn’t know the history of these two companies, but there are so many details wrong that it actually distorts things to the point that I could not suggest this video to anybody. Even at the beginning, where you keep on blurring the Lisa and the Mac, it is the Lisa that was a flop while the Mac was a huge success to begin with (and allowed John Scully to push Steve Jobs out of the company - it was not really a resignation). These are the kind of details you need to get right from the beginning.
15:32 MS had phones with windows at that time, it was existing and used. Also, there were the Symbian devices. What was copied from the iPhone is the capacitive screen instead of the resistive one. I was using a full touch screen phone at the time the iPhone was not existing, the Sony-Ericsson P910i had detachable physical keyboard. HTC was manufacturing windows mobile 5.0 devices prior to iPhone. They indeed redesign it to have MS phones later, but the lineup of Windows mobile 5.0 devices were quite usable and compelling to nerds like me. What really happened is that the iPhone turned the whole class of devices from nerdy to mainstream, but it was not technical change in the first place but perceptional.
i had a few different Windows CE, PocketPC and Mobile devices back in the early 00s, like iPAQ, XDA's etc. and i also had a Treo 600 etc., i wanted to like the concept, it's why i kept upgrading, but many things made them all just frustrating to use. like, using the stylus to click on the scroll bar on the right, it was the general feeling of it being a desktop OS making sacrifices to being a small screen. the iphone was revolutionary by being a new type of computing device from the start. windows tried many times to create a mobile computer, like a PDA/phone, or a tablet (i also had a laptop where the screen swivelled so that it could be used as a touch screen but, again, it was just windows where i use a stylus. it wasn't an iPad. it wasn't perceptional, it was a technical leap due to the interface (that is both the hardware - capacitive touch - and the software - scrolling without a scroll bar, pinch to zoom, hit targets of 44px for your finger, etc.) that changed the game. i spent years trying out many different mobile computing devices, but none of them made sense, until the iPhone, and then android and windows phone both changed their approach. it was technical, and that's why iOS is a separate OS from macOS (it's not a hobbled version like CE was)
@@neanda the P910 had a wheel, like the mouse wheel, that was VERY cool, you never wanted to scroll by grabbing tiny widgets. I have used the resistive screens with fingernails, and I had no issue with that whatsoever. It seems for me that you are talking about browser experience, that is left out for me as I had no mobile internet in that era, it was way too expensive. I did have mobile internet a few years later when I was working on a programming project on some of the Windows Mobile 5.0 devices, we had bonus internet as the client was the Telekom company. I was using that internet for email checking and writing, and minimal googling as the internet was "gratis" and when my mate was downloading hundreds of megs of SDK installers for the work itself, they wanted him to pay for that, so after that incident we did not really used browsers on the device. I have read books, played games and used system tools to support the development, and all of those were nice. You are right about one thing, this was nerdy. Scrolling with thumb is mainstream, so you could say it was both technological and marketing, but my feeling about the iPhone was mostly a relief that I did not have to hide my smartphone on the tram. I ended up never using iPhone or any Apple product, since as a Linux user I like extendable and open systems, so the first thumb scrolling device I was using was years later an Android, I did use resistive screen for these additional years, I was never bothered with that. But also, when everyone else was using Windows 95, I played around with Caldera OpenDOS and went to Redhat Linux from there, and kept Windows for home use, like gaming. So I think our priorities are quite different.
At the time I used PocketPC and PalmOS, I was amazed with those devices, but when I used the iPhone (iPod touch actually) it was the same idea just well executed, I mean in comparison PocketPC was a piece of garbage, no doubt why it vanished after the iPhone.
This isnt really fair to Steve Jobs. XEROX had the technilogy but did not believe in it, so they licensed it to Apple. Bill Gates cipied from Apple , not Xerox. Bill Gates never got a license from Xerox.
No. The idea was created by xerox period . There s nothing you can do to defend jobs. He was an asshole he fired many people sued small companies just for pride. He behaved like shit with employess.
This video gives a pretty good overview of the saga of Steve Jobs and Bill Gates. To know the full story, I highly recommend reading "Steve Jobs" by Walter Isaacson
The kind of people who seek enlightenment are those who NEED peace desperately. You get the vision, but then you must rely on others, who’ve inevitably put none of that same effort in, and it can be maddening. I can relate to Steve. Bill could honestly use some acid.
I love how Gates didnt even deny he stole it. He literally just said "yeah so like.. actually what are you doing do about it?" even though Apple was a more powerful company at the time.
Steve stole the Xerox Pac operation sytem technology.... So bill stole from steve and steve stole from Xerox .. If it was not for Xerox operations system, We will still be using some kind of ms DOS operation system So. Xerox created the first gui. operation system in early 1973 and they have the best 50 computer scientists work with them
Steve stole from the Xerox operation system technology Bill stole from steve and steve stole from Xerox Xerox created the operation system gui. in 1973 and had the best 50 computer scientists working for them Steve jobs said , when he saw Xerox gui. operation system, it blow his mind and said he knew every computer in the world will have gui. Operation system
why deny it, when they both stole it and they both knew it. it was and still is the tech world. everyone was and is stealing everything they can, only difference is now is a lot harder to blatantly steal something, because everything down to the screws is patented.
And forgot to mention what he said on Ted Talk 2010 also something he's been working on since 2001 with a few groups. He is friend of the family with the Rockefellers. But everyone forgot to mention that
Next wasn’t a total failure. The OS that Jobs helped develop, nextstep, was ahead of its time and became the reason why Apple bought out Next and brought Jobs back, in order to use the OS which became the foundation of Mac OS
Jobs wasn't 'forced' to do a press conference, that was more to do with him becoming ceo and talk about how he intended to try and turn the company around rather than anything to do with microsoft.
Steve wanted control, he was as controlling in his personal life as he was in his position. That control he wanted can be seen today by Apple's ecosystem, the lack of repairability, and the entire industry standards they now create as well as the monopoly they are now today.
heard that lots of times, but in the end it doesn't matter what any of them was. companies only care about profit. whatever brings them the most profit, will be their pathway. everything else is just semantics.
@1:36 this is a part of the story I don’t get. He was the underprivileged one of the two, and was looking like he would end up homeless, but he’s able have enough money to fly him & himself to India
Bill Gates definitely did not want "everything to work together". Instead, he wanted MS to dominate everything. Lotus vs. Office? Withhold the APIs for Win 95 until launch date so Office was there at launch. Netscape? Buy and bundle IE with every copy of Windows. Java and Javascript? Create ActiveX so websites would only work with Windows. Microsoft did not get in trouble for antitrust violations because Windows was so successful. Rather, they got in trouble because of all their shady shit, including forcing OEMs to pay a Windows license fee for every PC sold, whether it had Windows installed on it or not.
@user-otzlixr Not true. I made this argument one month ago. So it did not age at all. Just because Apple, or Google, or any other company may be monopolistic now does not excuse Microsoft being monopolistic in the past. It is flawed logic to use "whataboutisms". You clearly have not talked to many people who use electronics. They do not know how computers work. They do not know how software works. They just turn it on and expect it to do what they need it to do. That does not mean they should not have access to electronics. It just means that a company like Microsoft could more easily use their monopolistic position to their advantage. It was hard to compete with a product like IE when it came pre-installed and was set as the default browser. Microsoft's ActiveX only further cemented their monopoly to include IE too. But don't take my word for it. Read the Department of Justice's lawsuit against Microsoft at the time.
Bill Gates took your work, and profited from it, almost like stealing. Bill Gates had very little charisma. Steve Jobs, directed his own work, in his own direction, and was quite the salesman. But, at the end of the day, Steve Jobs's death, was sooner then it should, because, he tried to treat it without traditional methods. And I worked in a computer lab, and helped people with their problems. 95% of my time, was helping people with their PC problems, and only 5% was helping them with the Mac. The Mac's just had less issues.
Stealing the telly from the rich neighbour is just about right. Apple simply productises ideas in a particular, normie-sexy way within a closed ecosystem ... but almost seems to believe its own marketing lies -- that it's innovating. I wish we could have lived in a world where Apple cleaved more towards Woz's vision.
I was in San Jose at the Hayes Mansion celebrating a visit back to my home of almost 30 years when news came that night that Jobs had died. We didn't go out for dinner as planned; we stayed in with room service. We didn't of course, go. To the Apple Main Store in Cupertino the next day as the entire Apple Campus was in mourning.
Apple over microsoft/android is solely down to hype and aesthetics. functionality doesnt come into account for 90% of the people using these products. Ipods didnt have the best functionality but its designs and marketing made it the only product you wanted. Unless you wanted a very specific function for example a microphone on an mp3 player and a recording function. Same with the iphone compared to android gimmicks dont matter to the herd.
Just watched 3 of your videos not knowing it was you until I went to the channel and saw the videos I just watched. You deserve a sub I wish content was longer but that’s what I like not others. I’m going to sub to you
It's interesting how people, despite having access to a wealth of information and living witnesses, still miss the essence and foundation of certain events.
He didn't "hate" Bill Gates. He got into a feud with him because both Steve and Bill went to a Xerox convention that showed off the first ever dGUI or desktop graphical user interface. Apple was basically late to the game and Microsoft did it first in an extremely early version of Windows making them rivals once Bill was aware that he managed to get Steve wound up over it. They were still good friends and did a D8 convention interview in 2010 a few months before Steve's eventual death.
What got under Jobs’ skin was that Apple licensed Xerox interface and improved in it. Windows didn’t begin to catch up until Windows 95. Also Microsoft didn’t pay licensing fees and their initial Windows looked a lot more like what Xerox was doing.
@@arricammarques1955 ----- You got it all wrong, you're repeating the Gates BS line. Jobs contacted the CEO of Xerox to get permission to visit PARC of Xerox for 2 days. Jobs in exchange offered 100,000 shares of pre-IPO Apple stock for 1 million dollars, which was a huge bargain. Xerox ended up making about 10 times their investment in the years after Apple IPO'd. Apple didn't have access to the code or any inside secrets of the Xerox system. They just wandered around PARC for 2 days to get some ideas. Apple's implementation was totally different. For example Apple did a 1 button mouse, while Xerox had 3 buttons. They were also targeted differently. Xerox aimed at the enterprise market and had a very expensive price. Apple aimed at the consumer market.
Did you even watch the video? He goes over that exact information lol. In terms of the title, it’s TH-cam, buddy. That’s how the game works, but he does set the record straight between their so-called rivalry because as far as the general public is concerned, many still believe he actually did hate him (as that’s what the media has reported all throughout the years … hell even the movies tries to portray it that way). This video simply takes that common view by using a title that a lot of people thinks is true and then corrects it. Some may consider it clickbait (despite the information talked about matching the title, so not really clickbait in that manner), but it’s a pretty common practice to catch viewers and get their attention.
This video is good, however, I was a little confused at the Mention of the Apple II, then the Mac, then the Lisa... I think it would have made sense to mention these in chronological order. It would have also been worth mentioning that Word and Excel was created for the Mac before the Windows versions.
This documentary seems to conflate the success of the Apple II line of 8-bit computers, with the failure of the Lisa and then the successful launch of the 16-bit Macintosh, only to have sales languish until Adobe released Page Maker and Apple released the Laser Printer. Both caused the phenomenon of ‘Desktop Publishing’ and Apple again became profitable for awhile.. until Bill Gates’ Microsoft developed Windows and ate Apple’s market share.
Like all philanthropists, the wealth he accumulated and now redistributes was originally handed over to him by consumers and shareholders. His “giving” is highly conspicuous. In a sense, he’s “investing” in his legacy. There is nothing selfless about this.
yep, this^ also, the out of apple years (next and pixar) oversimplified… which is sort of a problem because understanding them are crucial for understanding the rise of apple, and yet… nice video otherwise! : ) and a great introduction and/ or gateway for anyone interested in this rabbit hole/ well balanced and accessible for “non nerds”; even overriding my minor complaints with this achievement…
The original 128k and 548k Macintosh wasn't a success, what made Steve jobs rich was the apple II line of computers which originally was created by Woz with some help by Steve.
Obligatory comment: if you like this stuff definitely do watch Cringley’s “Triumph of the Nerds”, “Pirates of the Silicon Valley”, and “Steve Jobs’ Lost Interview” :)
The first time I used a 'windows style' inface was on the original Apple l block at my PS in 1984ish. I found it super easy to use and wanted spend more and more time in the 'Computer Lab' using this system. To me it worked smoothly. Years later now, HS time, and we're using Microsoft PCs in class. "This windows format was invented by Bill Gates". My teacher says. More than two other kids including me said "Nah, we've used this on an Apple l." Our teacher didn't know any better and told us we were wrong. We got together at one kids house as his dad used a newer Apple system but had kept his old Apple l block. As soon as I saw it I smiled from ear to ear. Loved that machine. I may be getting the model number wrong but we know what I mean. Great system.
Got my first Mac in 94 and haven’t looked back, I wouldn’t touch Windows with gloves on (unless working for someone else and so forced to). I remember having the first iPod and the looks it drew on a flight I took, most people hadn’t seen one at that point and I felt like a freak with everyone staring at me….. The iPod was truly the killer product, the forerunner to the iPhone. I shall upgrade my Mac Mini this week when they launch the M4 iteration. It’s expensive stuff, the company has massively lost its way since Jobs’ illness/death but they make bl00dy good product and software.
The timeline is screwed up. The apple 2 is what made apple a huge company, lisa came after and the macintosh was what led to steve’s initial downfall because it was too expensive and wasn’t selling very well.
LOL! If that's true, I love how Bill reacted to Steve saying he stole his idea: "Well, Steve, I think there's more than one way of looking at it. I think it's more like we both had this rich neighbor called Xerox, and I broke into his house to steal the TV set, and found out that you'd already stolen it."!
"Pirates of silicon valley" has that quote the other way around. Bill saying that jobs had broken in only to find that bill had gotten there first. I wonder which is accurate.
Truth be told, I heard the reason why Gates saved Apple in 1997 was not only from bankruptcy but he recognized that Windows was being used mainly by tech based environments as wasnt popular general public. With Apple, its interface in general was much easier for the general public thus began the famous debate of User-Friendly vs Tech-Friendly with both Companies.
The Apple ][ changed my life. I discovered them in my elementary school's computer lab and then would just skip my classes. The following year my dad surprised my brother and I with an Apple //e that was fully loaded even had a non-acoustic coupler type modem.
“They just make really third rate products” - who are you kidding pro. Nearly every Apple release in the last 20 years has had major problems at launch.
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Bill Gates hung out on Epstein Island? Did Steve Jobs do that?
Gates only won because Apple was too expensive for most people, and it didn't have enough applications. Microsoft made an aggressive push to get developers on board with their platform.
@@moe47988not true 😂 you guys do know that Microsoft bailed Apple Out Of Debt in 1997 And Bill Gates Gave The Company Back Into Steve Jobs Hands If It Wasn’t For Steve Jobs Apple Wouldn’t Have Made The IPhone & Products They Came Out With In Those Early 2000s 🙃🫡
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To this day, my favourite Bill-Steve moment was at D5 in 2007, where Steve ended the interview describing their relationship with this quote: "You and I have memories longer than the road that stretches out ahead."
Beatles Lyric. From the song “Two of Us” on the Let it Be album.
He knew he was unwell at this point too.
And then they kissed
as someone who's really into tech, I appreciate how you explained this from a tech-first perspective rather than solely business. you did a great job man
Jobs knew of Gates ties to Epstein and the development of covid19
Bill Gates really did a great job at keeping his word at Ted Talk 2010. He did great at explaining what's happening now. Steve jobs hate is completely justified
I think you were wrong to portray Gates as just a 'nerd' - he was a shrewd, ruthless businessman too.
Actually both of them were, but when you become rich and successful as they did people tend to view the past with rose tinted glasses. Most of Microsoft products were purchased from competitors.
There has been a long standing belief that foundation for Microsoft (MS Dos) was stolen. So what does it mean? It's a dirty game getting to the top. And yes it's true nice guys finish last.@@_Clivey
@@_Cliveyoh definitely steal. Apple steal ideas and most of the time have the "apple spin" on it while Microsoft product is usually a bunch of good products forced to work together
@@AquaFyrre I support your message, but the light bulb had diferent companies working in the creation of a useful bulb, if not Edison another company/scientist would have inveted it, and I dare to say that even around the same time.
@@_CliveySo getting smaller ideas from different places and combining those ideas to make a dream product into reality is "stealing"? You realize we have object oriented programing, gui's, and the computer mouse thanks to Xerox parc inviting Apple and Steve to check out its inventions because they couldnt put it out themselves? Apple had the blessing so they innovated and improved on it and put it out. Also how is iPhone stolen? Apple invented multi touch displays and Samsung and the rest followed. Apple is the innovator not the other way around.
Mr. Giant is taking on more and more ambitious videos. I am impressed.
The NExT computers weren't so much a failure, they were never marketed to the masses, instead they were made for use in companies and universities. The price tag reflected that. They found plently of customers in their niche, famously the World Wide Web began on a NExT Cube.
The rivalry served them both and their respective corporations extremely well.
I love it when a friend come into my life and pushes it in a new and better direction. So far I've only had one friend that did that. To know Wozniac was that friend for Job makes me like him even more.
So Steve Jobs is broke and is pretty much homeless but then he can afford to fly to India and live there for 7 months… That doesn’t add up…
Believing anything Jobs said is a dangerous game, the man was an robot exclusively designed for marketing purposes... a lot of the stories he has told have been debunked by people that used to be close to him and he was quite known for embellishing them, the dude had a massive ego to the point that this "nerd war" only existed because he wanted it to Gates wouldn't have even thought of attacking him for being his competitor but I guess he was petty enough to retaliate or he saw the potential benefit of doing so; it was all just another marketing stunt by Jobs and you can consider him a genius for his marketing prouesse but in any other regard he brought next to nothing to the table (besides very poor work conditions). He became a billionaire by being a farce and he is remembered as a legend for being an even bigger farce. Dude was a genuine a**hole with a god complex to say the least and a top tier charlatan... but Gates is by no means a saint either.
I thought Jobs worked at At Atari. I google it, it says it he got hired in 1974 at Atari. That is how he was able to afford to go in India
Although I'm sure Jobs was a pathological liar, it actually is possible to survive in India with little to no money, and was probably even easier back then. I know somebody who did it for a year (he bought a one-way ticket) and if you're not too fussed about where you lay your head at night, you can get by even just working on a casual basis
Rich people love to paint themselves as poor.
@@rorz999 mate you still need money to get that one way ticket. A good bit in fact.
Amazing rivalry. They reshaped the planet. I wonder if they would have reached such heights without one another
Considering they stole each others ideas probably not.
Competition and rivalry can yield enhanced outcomes, underscoring a potential shortcoming of participation rewards. The concept of granting awards merely for attendance often inhibits genuine progress, as it doesn't necessarily promote a drive for excellence or improvement.
I feel fortunate to have observed and reaped the benefits of this competition.
As a reasonably tech savvy person who uses Windows and Linux I don't know anyone who uses Apple. Gates shaped the future even if we don't like it.
Probably not. They each influenced each other.
@@knivestv0 Bill Gates was raised in a very competitive household, where his parents kept creating little contests for their children. That's what made him so viciously competitive.
NEXT was also not a failure. It started out rough but they ended up becoming profitable and the tech they designed there became the foundation of OSX once apple bought them
How much next computers was used in the 90s? Name 5 programs running on next.
Oh come on nothing made by saint jobs couldnt have been a failure for you dont you?
you're missing the entire point. NEXT made the best computers of the early 90's... they were just expensive and never available for the consumer market. but someone at Apple was smart, brought back Jobs, used the NEXT system as their business model, invented the iMac in 1998... and here we are! we dont need to name 5 programs running on NEXT.... just look at the GUI..... its 1991 > 2024. the same GUI we use today. NEXT and Jobs literally saved Apple. 3 years later the iPod was designed. BOOM
@@Teluric2 The very first web browser, doom, and quake were all developed initially on NeXT. iPhone was built from Mac OS X which is heavily based on their OS, NeXTSTEP. NeXT wasn't trying to make commodity products, but to advance the state of the art in workstation computing. It's not a household name, but once commodity hardware caught up with the demands of their OS design, that OS served Apple very well, allowing them to seamlessly transition between hardware platforms and release the iPhone's with then unheard of capabilities. You'd be hard pressed to find a better example of a little known company which had a large impact.
Hate leads to ass cancer, everybody. Be positive.
Is this first hand information?
@@kpk331 I am a certified assologist, this is all very true.
@@ImpreccablePony 😀😀😀😀😀
Bill Gates was positive on what he said on Ted Talk back in 2010.
Also ulcerative colitis and bleeding out to death.
Honestly, Good One.
I remember, not long after Steve Jobs passed, CNN made a small segment documenting his life and NONE of what you’ve covered was mentioned and I took that at face value, but after watching your video, I have felt rather enlightened.
Always found it funny how Microsoft has a recycle bin whereas apply has a trash can
Steve stole from the Xerox operation system technology
Bill stole from steve and steve stole from Xerox
Xerox created the operation system gui. in 1973 and had the best 50 computer scientists working for them
Steve jobs said , when he saw Xerox gui. operation system, it blow his mind and said he knew every computer in the world will have gui. Operation system
It's funny but I have to say that the metaphor of a recycle bin doesn't really make sense. You don't recycle the files, they just get deleted.
@@stacksparrow Isn't the space they took up recycled though?
@@alecogden12345 isn't that like saying when you recycle a jug of milk you're not recycling the container but you're actually recycling the space in your fridge? It's just not how people usually use that word.
@@alecogden12345 it’s exactly that, mate
I'm glad that Bill Gates and Windows existed alongside Mac. Now way I would've been able to afford a Mac in my younger days. Thanks to Bill and Windows, I'm a programmer today,
I share your sentiment. For me, the road forked early on when Apple committed to remain proprietary in everything. I sensed that was not the more practical path, and it certainly chafed with my own sensibilities.
Wouldn't thank Bill after watching Ted Talk 2010.
Bill Gates is the true genius.
He made basic a cross platform development tool already in the earpy 70's
He brought programming into the room of any teen kid in the 70s and the 80s
Nothing else shaped the future imo.
Steve Jobs hating Microsoft for originality is like the pot calling the kettle black, the man never invented anything. He stole preexisting technology from engineers and then had a team of designers develop a marketable product. PC (Steve Wozniak), mouse operated UI (Xerox), Apple OS/IOS (Unix/Solaris/GNU/BSD/Mach) touch gestures (Fingerworks)... even the Macintosh was technically overshadowed by the Apple IIGS which is why Steve deliberately sabotaged his own best friend and company just to get his under-powered/black & white junk on the front floor of the marketing department.
The inovation wasn't in the tech itself but the ingenuity to combine design with tech and make it more accessible to people. He didn't invent all the systems required for tech but his design principles made tech more mainstream and practical for the commons. And everyone ended up copying some of his principles for that.
You are right, steve said he stole Xerox gui. Operation system for his Lisa apple computer ..
@@steveavecillas1114 ------- That is a totally moronic take. He didn't steal anything from Xerox. Xerox HQ in New York made a deal with Steve for pre-IPO stock in Apple. Xerox had an option to get up to 100k shares of pre-ipo in Apple stock at $10 a share. It turned out to be a fabulous deal for Xerox and they made around 16 times their initial investment in profits as they subsequently sold the stock.
He requested a 2 day look at the projects going on in Palo Alto by Xerox and didn't use similar code and changed the mouse in big ways and interface in big ways. The ingenious way the GUI was implemented was very different from Xerox. You are believing a lie propagated by Microsoft, Apple paid for a look and Microsoft stole the ideas.
He had the worst of so many qualities. He was the drug user who wasn't chill. He was the tech guy who couldn't code. He was an asshole boss and an absent father. The dude was a cult leader. It sucks he got to reap the rewards of the success and not the Woz.
@@okcboomer87 ----- What are you talking about, Woz is a billionaire? Sounds like rewards to me.
Thanks for making the video, but there were a lot of errors in it, some omissions and some events that were ok, but in the incorrect order in the timeline. I don’t think they were intentional, there’s just a lot of history to condense into a short video. I lived and worked through all of this history so have some deeper and more day by day recollections. There’s too many points to raise in a TH-cam comment - but perhaps one worth mentioning was that when Microsoft “invested” money into Apple, it also came with a shared patent agreement. Microsoft were copying Apple incredulously, willfully and deliberately in the late 1990s. Apple had been fighting Microsoft in the courts but it was a losing battle against Microsoft’s dominance and bottomless finances. So Apple needed the money, Microsoft needed Apples patents. More importantly Microsoft needed to be seen to bring back Microsoft Office to the Mac (Excel was the first Microsoft product, and it was first released on the Mac) and Apple needed to offer that product to their customers. So the 1997 deal was more of a win, win for both parties, just for entirely different reasons. Another note would be that Microsoft Windows while dominant in the market, was a terrible, brittle OS that sat on top of MS DOS, however it was cheap, it was mostly compatible with anything and it thrived despite its shortcomings due to a lack of a viable competitor. Fast forward to today and Apple is worth US$2.73T, Microsoft is US$2.36T and the newcomer Google is US$1.65T. The market has matured and has far more options today. Interestingly - and finally - it was a NeXT Computer that was used by Tim Berners-Lee at CERN and became the world's first web server.
LOL I love not reading past the first 10 words of these comments.
Make your own video genius.
@@daysandwords😂
@@daysandwords Interesting. TH-cam creators make content and can either turn off comments or open their work for feedback. It’s kinda how the platform works. Next time, you can try using your own genius to contribute to constructive feedback (it’s actually ok to have different ideas and perspectives) or continue to throw cheap jibes. If you’ve made it this far - congratulations for making it past your 10 word limit!
Yes he seemed to confuse apple ][ and Macintosh.
Another entertaining piece Jimmy Gigante
Rather important error. Apple did not 'steal' anything from Xerox. Jeff Raski, an Apple employee had already documented his GUI based pC in 60s, before Parc existed. Apple contracted Xerox to be their think tank and they get lifetime license to PARC tech. Apple also pay Stanford for the sole license for the computer mouse. Doug Englebart, it's inventor is on record as confirming this and that no one else has ever licensed the invention. Xerox did however provide a demo of a working manifestation of the GUI based PC. But to be clear Apple did not steal this stuff.
I enjoyed some of this video, which is probably an OK video for somebody that doesn’t know the history of these two companies, but there are so many details wrong that it actually distorts things to the point that I could not suggest this video to anybody. Even at the beginning, where you keep on blurring the Lisa and the Mac, it is the Lisa that was a flop while the Mac was a huge success to begin with (and allowed John Scully to push Steve Jobs out of the company - it was not really a resignation). These are the kind of details you need to get right from the beginning.
Yeah. Steve was pushed out from Apple after his rather immature handling of the two teams (lisa and mac) - and his management style wasn’t a nice one.
15:32 MS had phones with windows at that time, it was existing and used. Also, there were the Symbian devices. What was copied from the iPhone is the capacitive screen instead of the resistive one. I was using a full touch screen phone at the time the iPhone was not existing, the Sony-Ericsson P910i had detachable physical keyboard. HTC was manufacturing windows mobile 5.0 devices prior to iPhone. They indeed redesign it to have MS phones later, but the lineup of Windows mobile 5.0 devices were quite usable and compelling to nerds like me. What really happened is that the iPhone turned the whole class of devices from nerdy to mainstream, but it was not technical change in the first place but perceptional.
i had a few different Windows CE, PocketPC and Mobile devices back in the early 00s, like iPAQ, XDA's etc. and i also had a Treo 600 etc., i wanted to like the concept, it's why i kept upgrading, but many things made them all just frustrating to use. like, using the stylus to click on the scroll bar on the right,
it was the general feeling of it being a desktop OS making sacrifices to being a small screen.
the iphone was revolutionary by being a new type of computing device from the start.
windows tried many times to create a mobile computer, like a PDA/phone, or a tablet (i also had a laptop where the screen swivelled so that it could be used as a touch screen but, again, it was just windows where i use a stylus. it wasn't an iPad.
it wasn't perceptional, it was a technical leap due to the interface (that is both the hardware - capacitive touch - and the software - scrolling without a scroll bar, pinch to zoom, hit targets of 44px for your finger, etc.) that changed the game. i spent years trying out many different mobile computing devices, but none of them made sense, until the iPhone, and then android and windows phone both changed their approach. it was technical, and that's why iOS is a separate OS from macOS (it's not a hobbled version like CE was)
@@neanda the P910 had a wheel, like the mouse wheel, that was VERY cool, you never wanted to scroll by grabbing tiny widgets. I have used the resistive screens with fingernails, and I had no issue with that whatsoever. It seems for me that you are talking about browser experience, that is left out for me as I had no mobile internet in that era, it was way too expensive. I did have mobile internet a few years later when I was working on a programming project on some of the Windows Mobile 5.0 devices, we had bonus internet as the client was the Telekom company. I was using that internet for email checking and writing, and minimal googling as the internet was "gratis" and when my mate was downloading hundreds of megs of SDK installers for the work itself, they wanted him to pay for that, so after that incident we did not really used browsers on the device. I have read books, played games and used system tools to support the development, and all of those were nice.
You are right about one thing, this was nerdy. Scrolling with thumb is mainstream, so you could say it was both technological and marketing, but my feeling about the iPhone was mostly a relief that I did not have to hide my smartphone on the tram. I ended up never using iPhone or any Apple product, since as a Linux user I like extendable and open systems, so the first thumb scrolling device I was using was years later an Android, I did use resistive screen for these additional years, I was never bothered with that.
But also, when everyone else was using Windows 95, I played around with Caldera OpenDOS and went to Redhat Linux from there, and kept Windows for home use, like gaming. So I think our priorities are quite different.
At the time I used PocketPC and PalmOS, I was amazed with those devices, but when I used the iPhone (iPod touch actually) it was the same idea just well executed, I mean in comparison PocketPC was a piece of garbage, no doubt why it vanished after the iPhone.
Congrats on 300k
This isnt really fair to Steve Jobs. XEROX had the technilogy but did not believe in it, so they licensed it to Apple. Bill Gates cipied from Apple , not Xerox. Bill Gates never got a license from Xerox.
No. The idea was created by xerox period . There s nothing you can do to defend jobs.
He was an asshole he fired many people sued small companies just for pride.
He behaved like shit with employess.
Exactly
Thank you for including Pirates of Silicon Valley footage, it is such an overlooked yet wonderful film
This video gives a pretty good overview of the saga of Steve Jobs and Bill Gates. To know the full story, I highly recommend reading "Steve Jobs" by Walter Isaacson
Yoo jimmythegiant you should dive into bouldering/climbing culture
Such a great watch! Let's send this to the algorithm 🔥
The kind of people who seek enlightenment are those who NEED peace desperately. You get the vision, but then you must rely on others, who’ve inevitably put none of that same effort in, and it can be maddening. I can relate to Steve. Bill could honestly use some acid.
Ted talk 2010 Bill Gates. Oh peace he trying to give us all ever lasting peace ✌️
@@qrowknightwalker130 best thing he can do now is to piss off and stop being a little tyrant
Both of them seriously creep me out
This would explain why Steve Jobs died so quickly, too much hate and anger.
Yes. Many develop cancer because hate and anger.
Gates gave him a trial vaccine
Bill Gates on Ted talk 2010 would explain what's going on nowadays ✌️🤣
I had a Zune HD and it still works great to this day, its literally bulletproof!
I love how Gates didnt even deny he stole it. He literally just said "yeah so like.. actually what are you doing do about it?" even though Apple was a more powerful company at the time.
Steve stole the Xerox Pac operation sytem technology....
So bill stole from steve and steve stole from Xerox ..
If it was not for Xerox operations system, We will still be using some kind of ms DOS operation system
So. Xerox created the first gui. operation system in early 1973 and they have the best 50 computer scientists work with them
Steve stole from the Xerox operation system technology
Bill stole from steve and steve stole from Xerox
Xerox created the operation system gui. in 1973 and had the best 50 computer scientists working for them
Steve jobs said , when he saw Xerox gui. operation system, it blow his mind and said he knew every computer in the world will have gui. Operation system
why deny it, when they both stole it and they both knew it. it was and still is the tech world. everyone was and is stealing everything they can, only difference is now is a lot harder to blatantly steal something, because everything down to the screws is patented.
Gates stole the look of windows from Xerox AND the multi tasking idea from Digital Research DOS.
@@Applecompuserstill a copy.
Everyday people: "I need an Apple screwdriver!". People with tool knowledge: "you mean a T5 bit?"
They're not compatible.
@@eadweard.I see you’ve never cut up or made your own tools before
@@thejpkotor Tbf no one mentioned making one's own.
It’s not a T5, that’s a standard Torx 6 point. The Apple “pentalobe” is 5 points. Star-shaped.
Same iphone cable or lightning. Edit: when I say lightning cable they get confused, but iPhone cable works 😅😆
Imagine how different things would be if gates had died in 2011.
The conspiracy nuts would have to find a new person to make a big baddie, or maybe he's not really dead but in a bunker
A shitty things to say by a fan of a shitty person
You forgot to mention epsteins part in billgates history anyway 😅
And forgot to mention what he said on Ted Talk 2010 also something he's been working on since 2001 with a few groups. He is friend of the family with the Rockefellers. But everyone forgot to mention that
Amazing Vid, great work!
Next wasn’t a total failure. The OS that Jobs helped develop, nextstep, was ahead of its time and became the reason why Apple bought out Next and brought Jobs back, in order to use the OS which became the foundation of Mac OS
Good stuff jimmey boy
Jobs wasn't 'forced' to do a press conference, that was more to do with him becoming ceo and talk about how he intended to try and turn the company around rather than anything to do with microsoft.
Love Job's archetype over Gates!
The way he and Steve Wozniak collaborated together was amazing!
Thanks Brother for sharing this video
Been binging the older videos today and this pops up. Great timing!
Steve wanted control, he was as controlling in his personal life as he was in his position. That control he wanted can be seen today by Apple's ecosystem, the lack of repairability, and the entire industry standards they now create as well as the monopoly they are now today.
heard that lots of times, but in the end it doesn't matter what any of them was. companies only care about profit. whatever brings them the most profit, will be their pathway. everything else is just semantics.
And that's why I always hated Apple products. They are just like trend fashion. Stylish but complete crap.
@1:36 this is a part of the story I don’t get. He was the underprivileged one of the two, and was looking like he would end up homeless, but he’s able have enough money to fly him & himself to India
i have a vhs of the first month john scully took over he was kind of angry saying we had to get rid of problem people
Bill Gates definitely did not want "everything to work together". Instead, he wanted MS to dominate everything. Lotus vs. Office? Withhold the APIs for Win 95 until launch date so Office was there at launch. Netscape? Buy and bundle IE with every copy of Windows. Java and Javascript? Create ActiveX so websites would only work with Windows. Microsoft did not get in trouble for antitrust violations because Windows was so successful. Rather, they got in trouble because of all their shady shit, including forcing OEMs to pay a Windows license fee for every PC sold, whether it had Windows installed on it or not.
@user-otzlixr Not true. I made this argument one month ago. So it did not age at all. Just because Apple, or Google, or any other company may be monopolistic now does not excuse Microsoft being monopolistic in the past. It is flawed logic to use "whataboutisms".
You clearly have not talked to many people who use electronics. They do not know how computers work. They do not know how software works. They just turn it on and expect it to do what they need it to do. That does not mean they should not have access to electronics. It just means that a company like Microsoft could more easily use their monopolistic position to their advantage. It was hard to compete with a product like IE when it came pre-installed and was set as the default browser. Microsoft's ActiveX only further cemented their monopoly to include IE too.
But don't take my word for it. Read the Department of Justice's lawsuit against Microsoft at the time.
Bill Gates took your work, and profited from it, almost like stealing. Bill Gates had very little charisma. Steve Jobs, directed his own work, in his own direction, and was quite the salesman. But, at the end of the day, Steve Jobs's death, was sooner then it should, because, he tried to treat it without traditional methods. And I worked in a computer lab, and helped people with their problems. 95% of my time, was helping people with their PC problems, and only 5% was helping them with the Mac. The Mac's just had less issues.
Jobs also profited from others
Bill Gates Ted Talk 2010 he stealing a lot more than that. 😂 Trust me bro
It was Jobs vs Gates, now it's Elon vs Zuckerberg
Elon and Zuck are competing to be the worst Ceo
Steve vs Bill was a race for technology and advancements. Elon vs Suck is a race for mass control and spreading shit
The awful sequel nobody wanted
Don't do that.
@@caidurand the Sad thing is They are both winning
I like how back in the day they had these dorks draped over their computers like some fucked up glamour shots session.
Stealing the telly from the rich neighbour is just about right. Apple simply productises ideas in a particular, normie-sexy way within a closed ecosystem ... but almost seems to believe its own marketing lies -- that it's innovating. I wish we could have lived in a world where Apple cleaved more towards Woz's vision.
No more parkour videos? Content is still good though.
th-cam.com/video/bqpFKvcqmHU/w-d-xo.html he made a video about it on his 2nd channel
Chillllllll
You left so much detail out as to make the biographies of both basically bearing no resemblance to reality.
I was in San Jose at the Hayes Mansion celebrating a visit back to my home of almost 30 years when news came that night that Jobs had died. We didn't go out for dinner as planned; we stayed in with room service. We didn't of course, go. To the Apple Main Store in Cupertino the next day as the entire Apple Campus was in mourning.
LOVE that the ad skip on 8:45 is the most viewed part according to the graph hahaha yeah, f* those ads
There was an untold sum legal settlement between Apple and Microsoft in 1997.
Thanks, great podcast.
He is the Boss and very intelligent Bill Gates III.
from parkour to this document niche. Well done you!
You confused the Apple II, and the Apple Macintosh.
Good video but still hate Apple for overcharging stuff 😂
Apple over microsoft/android is solely down to hype and aesthetics. functionality doesnt come into account for 90% of the people using these products. Ipods didnt have the best functionality but its designs and marketing made it the only product you wanted. Unless you wanted a very specific function for example a microphone on an mp3 player and a recording function. Same with the iphone compared to android gimmicks dont matter to the herd.
Steve wasn’t really poor boy he actually went to Stanford college that’s not poor dude college at all
I am using 2 right now devices one by Apple the other by Microsoft
Just watched 3 of your videos not knowing it was you until I went to the channel and saw the videos I just watched. You deserve a sub I wish content was longer but that’s what I like not others. I’m going to sub to you
It's interesting how people, despite having access to a wealth of information and living witnesses, still miss the essence and foundation of certain events.
The "then shut the hell up Bill" scene was actually Bill Atkinson😅
He didn't "hate" Bill Gates. He got into a feud with him because both Steve and Bill went to a Xerox convention that showed off the first ever dGUI or desktop graphical user interface. Apple was basically late to the game and Microsoft did it first in an extremely early version of Windows making them rivals once Bill was aware that he managed to get Steve wound up over it. They were still good friends and did a D8 convention interview in 2010 a few months before Steve's eventual death.
windows came out 2 years after Macintosh.
Jobs pinched Mac OS from Xerox. The adverts were legendary and dominated market share.
What got under Jobs’ skin was that Apple licensed Xerox interface and improved in it. Windows didn’t begin to catch up until Windows 95. Also Microsoft didn’t pay licensing fees and their initial Windows looked a lot more like what Xerox was doing.
@@arricammarques1955 ----- You got it all wrong, you're repeating the Gates BS line. Jobs contacted the CEO of Xerox to get permission to visit PARC of Xerox for 2 days. Jobs in exchange offered 100,000 shares of pre-IPO Apple stock for 1 million dollars, which was a huge bargain. Xerox ended up making about 10 times their investment in the years after Apple IPO'd.
Apple didn't have access to the code or any inside secrets of the Xerox system. They just wandered around PARC for 2 days to get some ideas. Apple's implementation was totally different. For example Apple did a 1 button mouse, while Xerox had 3 buttons. They were also targeted differently. Xerox aimed at the enterprise market and had a very expensive price. Apple aimed at the consumer market.
Did you even watch the video?
He goes over that exact information lol.
In terms of the title, it’s TH-cam, buddy. That’s how the game works, but he does set the record straight between their so-called rivalry because as far as the general public is concerned, many still believe he actually did hate him (as that’s what the media has reported all throughout the years … hell even the movies tries to portray it that way). This video simply takes that common view by using a title that a lot of people thinks is true and then corrects it. Some may consider it clickbait (despite the information talked about matching the title, so not really clickbait in that manner), but it’s a pretty common practice to catch viewers and get their attention.
This video is good, however, I was a little confused at the Mention of the Apple II, then the Mac, then the Lisa... I think it would have made sense to mention these in chronological order. It would have also been worth mentioning that Word and Excel was created for the Mac before the Windows versions.
This documentary seems to conflate the success of the Apple II line of 8-bit computers, with the failure of the Lisa and then the successful launch of the 16-bit Macintosh, only to have sales languish until Adobe released Page Maker and Apple released the Laser Printer. Both caused the phenomenon of ‘Desktop Publishing’ and Apple again became profitable for awhile.. until Bill Gates’ Microsoft developed Windows and ate Apple’s market share.
Not many people bought Zunes, but those who did loved them. I guess the UI was absolutely amazing.
I had a Zune. It was just ok.
Amazon music and TH-cam work for me.
Jimmy really can't help giving all kind of jobs to Jobs everytime
I thought Wozniak was more instrumental to Apple's success on the technical level?
It feels like Elon Musk vs. Jeff Bezos is a re-run of this.
Bill and Steve both realised they could help each other by keeping the monopoly break up calls away
Bill Gates on Ted talk 2010 shows how far the monopoly will go. This shows Steve Jobs wasn't so bad 😢
nice video 👏 and you made me laugh a number of times too Mr JTG
Bill Gates, the greatest philanthropist in human History, and Steve Jobs, who literally never gave a single cent to charity EVER.
Remind me again, did Gates do most of his philanthropic work before or after visiting Epstein Island?
Wake tf iup
Like all philanthropists, the wealth he accumulated and now redistributes was originally handed over to him by consumers and shareholders. His “giving” is highly conspicuous. In a sense, he’s “investing” in his legacy. There is nothing selfless about this.
Why do I have to give my money to a bunch of useless people are you stupid 😂
Small complaint, stop mixing the macintosh and the apple II, they were very seperate
OMG this is not helpful.
Yes, this was just confusing with Macintosh being shown before Lisa. Makes me worried about what else might be confused.
Other than that, I think it was a pretty good video. Thank you.
yep, this^
also, the out of apple years (next and pixar) oversimplified… which is sort of a problem because understanding them are crucial for understanding the rise of apple, and yet…
nice video otherwise!
: )
and a great introduction and/ or gateway for anyone interested in this rabbit hole/
well balanced and accessible for “non nerds”; even overriding my minor complaints with this achievement…
@@petervarga2616 um yeah anyone shed a tear for Gil Amelio?
Great guy.
OK it makes so much sense that he gives my hippy energy from his old photos. He was a hippy lol
Great vid...But, I prefer the Fastbender Steve to the Kutcher Steve,
What a great little documentary.
I thought xerox had the gui idea developed but blew it because they didn’t see the value in it.
I’d love a video on the shift of twitter when Elon got involved but I’m loving these docs ur doing
That'd be fire but it's still happening so it's tricky
@@anabltc truth
Loving all your content brother
The original 128k and 548k Macintosh wasn't a success, what made Steve jobs rich was the apple II line of computers which originally was created by Woz with some help by Steve.
Obligatory comment: if you like this stuff definitely do watch Cringley’s “Triumph of the Nerds”, “Pirates of the Silicon Valley”, and “Steve Jobs’ Lost Interview” :)
The first time I used a 'windows style' inface was on the original Apple l block at my PS in 1984ish. I found it super easy to use and wanted spend more and more time in the 'Computer Lab' using this system. To me it worked smoothly. Years later now, HS time, and we're using Microsoft PCs in class. "This windows format was invented by Bill Gates". My teacher says. More than two other kids including me said "Nah, we've used this on an Apple l." Our teacher didn't know any better and told us we were wrong. We got together at one kids house as his dad used a newer Apple system but had kept his old Apple l block. As soon as I saw it I smiled from ear to ear. Loved that machine. I may be getting the model number wrong but we know what I mean. Great system.
6:45 which is another reason I enjoy being a PC user. They're more accessible to everyone and customizable.
Got my first Mac in 94 and haven’t looked back, I wouldn’t touch Windows with gloves on (unless working for someone else and so forced to). I remember having the first iPod and the looks it drew on a flight I took, most people hadn’t seen one at that point and I felt like a freak with everyone staring at me….. The iPod was truly the killer product, the forerunner to the iPhone.
I shall upgrade my Mac Mini this week when they launch the M4 iteration. It’s expensive stuff, the company has massively lost its way since Jobs’ illness/death but they make bl00dy good product and software.
The timeline is screwed up. The apple 2 is what made apple a huge company, lisa came after and the macintosh was what led to steve’s initial downfall because it was too expensive and wasn’t selling very well.
I think if you don't hate Bill Gates you just don't know enough about him.
That's probably the same with anyone.
If you don't love him you don't know enough about him either
Bill Gates was pretty ruthless and his products were second rate. He won by playing chess with his competitors playing checkers
LOL! If that's true, I love how Bill reacted to Steve saying he stole his idea: "Well, Steve, I think there's more than one way of looking at it. I think it's more like we both had this rich neighbor called Xerox, and I broke into his house to steal the TV set, and found out that you'd already stolen it."!
"Pirates of silicon valley" has that quote the other way around. Bill saying that jobs had broken in only to find that bill had gotten there first. I wonder which is accurate.
Truth be told, I heard the reason why Gates saved Apple in 1997 was not only from bankruptcy but he recognized that Windows was being used mainly by tech based environments as wasnt popular general public. With Apple, its interface in general was much easier for the general public thus began the famous debate of User-Friendly vs Tech-Friendly with both Companies.
They should have met in the Octagon.. Jobs would’ve kicked his ass.😂
banger title
I had always heard that Steve hated him because he ripped off Steve's operating system and came out with Windows
microsoft is still destroying apple in the pc market
The Apple ][ changed my life. I discovered them in my elementary school's computer lab and then would just skip my classes. The following year my dad surprised my brother and I with an Apple //e that was fully loaded even had a non-acoustic coupler type modem.
I think you mixed up the Apple II and the Macintosh in this video.
I still have my zune. Loved that thing.
“They just make really third rate products” - who are you kidding pro. Nearly every Apple release in the last 20 years has had major problems at launch.