I remember your old video on Vinland Saga and I will say this again here. Vinland Saga is truly one of a kind, its hard to find anime that manage to do what Vinland Saga does. The violence and animation are great but it comes down to characters like Thorfinn and Asekladd, that make the series all the more better.
As an Icelander who studied the sagas in school and on my own. This is one of the most accurate presentations of the sagas. the only Hollywood movie that is as accurate is The Northman mostly thanks to the director assigning the Icelandic historian and artist Sjón to co-write the script.
@@hecticjdj7488wtf is up with this take... I don't get it. This spend 11 episodes on farming...I honestly watch the first 3 episodes fully and I speed watched through the rest until about episode 12. The dudes are just farming.
Even if he had killed Askeladd the result would be the same. The emptyness would might have been worse because after killing him he would feel a deep regret after realizing he liked him as a father figure
strongly disagreed. I do not think he liked him. he hated him for killing his actual father and pretty much taking away his innocence at a young age. and he would have never killed askeladd since it is his reason for living.
@@thephoenix4093towards the end he saw him as a father figure and a goal, Askeladd even said it, no matter how many times we fight you will never win, cause he never takes a break and never actually goes for the kill
@@dillonmackay683 towards the end of what, askeladd's life? or season 1 or season 2? towards the end of askeladd's life thorfinn was screaming at him to get up and fight him in a duel, because he was afraid of not being able to keep fighting him. not because he cared enough about him to not want him to die... and when did thorfinn say it.
Decent chance thats it getting one. When they only show action for like the last 3 episodes shounen whales gonna be droppin that aot atleast provided some build up evrey episode
@@marianomateus5295it’s arguable that there is buildup every episode. however, it is hard for people to understand that the buildup will be different from now on, and how that is still a good thing. i, and countless others, could not wait week after week to watch this due to the buildup. it easily deserves recognition the way aot does. i’m not saying vinland is better or the best thing ever, but for what it has accomplished thus far with it’s compelling story, it deserves worldwide attention.
I was a pretty big fan of the first season of Vinland Saga, but it always felt like it was following a shonen character through a seinin world and, practically all the way to the end, Thorfinn maintained that role without showing much in the way of growth. I loved Askeladd, and while I enjoyed watching Thorfinn, I can't say he stood as much more than a vehicle for vengeance who lost his opportunity in the end. S2 showed the kind of growth in his character that I was looking for and the slower pacing allowed his development to build out more organically. Einar was a strong complement to him, representing both the people that he slaughtered during his blind rage (his past) and the peaceful life that he started out seeking aimlessly (gaining experience through the work on the farm) and eventually chose as his path forward (founding a peaceful society in Vinland). I also love that, while Canute stood in stark contrast to the pacifistic life he was developing, his confrontation with him wasn't what solidified his path forward. Instead, it became a demonstration of his resolve, one so powerful that it moved a man who had done his best to eschew his humanity not to anguish or fear, but to laughter. He evoked a strong positive emotion from one who had forgotten what it was like to feel that in pursuit of power. It also helped that this season had some of the best single episodes of any anime I've seen in recent memory, particularly Oath and Way Home. So, yeah, big fan of S1, bigger fan of S2. Great video.
@@DecafisHere True enough. That's part of the reason why I tend to rate whole series based on how much I liked their most recent season - everything else built up to that result. Truer of series like Vinland Saga and Mob Psycho 100 than most.
@@DecafisHere which season is truly ground breaking, unique and potentially genre defining. Both seasons are great, but this to me makes one season superior to the other. 😉
Thorfinn wasnt captured and sold to slavery, he was sentenced after harming royal blood. (Canute) sorry to be a nerd but i think this completely changes things. The person who took his goal, who was a guy who never was a warrior before being soft, showed him mercy and kept him living. Allowing a life were he wallows in his anguish. This is such good writing. Liked season 2 just wanted more combat, but it wasnt meant to be that way which i get.
Thorfinn lived off his hatred alone for Askeladd for so long, that when Askeladd died and his opportunity of revenge was robbed from him, Thorfinn in a way lost his purpose. He became an empty man. He at that point no longer had a reason to live. And his dreams show his internalize regret and PTSD he suffered in silence but now it's coming full circle in season 2. Thorfinn in season 1 pushed that down , but now he faces his PTSD and has no choice but to come confront it in season 2.
I know I am making a big statement by saying that "Vinland Saga is the Best" but hear me out and watch the full video. With that being said, what were your favorite parts of Vinland Saga?
Great video! What make Vinland Saga pretty good, is the historical context, some fights are obviously exagerated, its anime after all, but many things that happen on screen is real. Life is unforgiving
it's not even the fault of those people who abandon Vinland Saga because "it gets boring" or "Thorfinn became soft and weak". the glorification of violence in media since ever is the fault, even the Season 1. Sure from Season 1 it's still a commentary about violence is bad, but truth be told the violence there is pretty cool. Thorkell vs Thorfinn is cool, Thorfinn killing all the soldiers is cool, all the atrocities Askellad did is very scary, but Askellad himself is cool. so it's okay if people thinks S2 is bad because they abandon the violence, because we so used to violence being cool in media (movie, series, game, book, etc) so a full season of commentary about a person who went on violence rampage his whole life realizing his deeds is wrong and went searching for forgiveness is not everyone cup of tea. but man i love season 2. it's my personal opinion but Vinland Saga is my favorite media ever. it's kinda biased opinion, but that's what opinion is. it touches my heart and all the messages it trying to deliver resonate with me fully. i love all the character and the best part is everyone in this story felt like a real person, who you can talk to and have a conversation with. sorry for the long comment, but for those who still want to give S2 a chance and be open minded about it, i'm sure it'll be an experience you will never forget.
Yes but unfortunately violence is sometimes the only answer. They shouldn't have turned Thorfinn into a full pacifist and a straight up wus, it would have been better if he would just try to refrain from unnecessary violence
@@AbyssWatch3r i really can't wait. A while ago, I decided to read the manga after the anime, but knowing S3 is coming, imma hold myself and wait for it. The anime has been a godsent.
@@Srbenda126 i think that's the question for Thorfinn, depicted in him vs Snake. When Askeladd said something along the line of "which path leads to true warrior" it represents the notion of - is necessary violence exist or do Thorfinn need to go pacifist all the way. While i haven't read the manga, i can see that in the future his believe will be tested and he will be forced to use violence again as a mean to an end.
@@ilhamadigunawan5264ur view are pretty narrow and childish if u think violence is bad And Vinland saga is whole pretty much goes childish after S2 With a unrealistic ideology that I have no enemies which is bad His development is good but ideology is of a 3 year old kid
One thing you should mention about the manga: It's *FUNNY.* It's half the time knee-slapping hilarious. But the funny part is where the humanity in Vinland Saga shines. It's in these moments that you see the endurance of these characters. That they still find humor and good vibes despite the harsh reality they're in.
it's one of the reason why i find Vinland saga so similar to Vagabond. As close as the message could be, the humor brings humanity in both of those pieces
Vinland Saga is one of my favourite stories, I've ever had the pleasure of reading/watching. Thorfinn is such a wonderful character, everything he goes through and how he develops. I would gib him many'a kisses if he was real.
@@loganjk8990 Oh I know he's based on the real Thorfinn Karlsefni. However I doubt there would be much to even kiss. However, if you dig him up, I'll give it a solid shot
I also think Einar helps Thorfinn to live and change. Einar is the only friend Thorfinn has ever had in his life . Their friendship is so deep that they are like brothers to eachother. Brotherhood.
You can't just put land of the lustrous ost in the background 🥲 while talking about one of my favorite stories ever. You tryna kill me?! Good video by the way 👍🏼
Tbh I don't have sympathy for the people that found season 2 boring to their own surprise, the seinen tag was there from the beginning, in fact that's how I found vinland saga in the first place, I did a filtered anime search specifically for seinen. The writing styles and creative liberties are different between seinen and shounen and thus I was never caught off guard.
The pacing of the second season’s episodes had this magical quality to them. Whenever an episode was finished I wasn’t demanded to move on to the next one, it felt like waking up from a dream.
8:43 I'mma get this out of the way, being a hero has nothing to do with morality. A hero is someone who has a purpose greater than oneself. So when Thorfinn finally makes the decision to find Vinland, that is when he became a true hero (true warrior), same with Canute wanting to create paradise on earth, it makes him the villain to the perspective of those he prosecutes, but he's still a hero nonetheless no matter the morality of his actions.
I think I mispoke. I meant a hero as in a good person and villain as a bad person. His morals are not either. He isn’t a good person but not an awful’ person. His morals are constantly changing. Yes he is a protagonist but I guess he could be considered a flawed hero
@@DecafisHere I didn't post the comment specifically to correct you though, it's more for the purpose of clarifying the idea between classifying characters as labels like Anti-Hero, Villain, Anti-Villain, etc. When in reality these definitions don't need to be overcomplicated when being a "Hero" is as simple and profound as having a greater purpose bigger than oneself
@@hish33p32 The real meaning of hero from the Greek is protector or defender. Thorfinn is none of those things, in fact there is foreshadowing of this when he breaks the kid's arm. Heroism is everything to do with morality, the realisation that slavery is immoral, war is immoral, and creating a safe space for those like Arnheid is the right, heroic, thing to do. Canute is the opposite, and follows the opposite trajectory, he starts off as the pacifist and in his desire to help others ultimately becomes the thing that causes so much pain and grief.
@@Sarndel327 Well it's just my opinion atleast, because I've seen videos in philosophy defining "Hero" as the person in a story generally the protagonist having a purpose being greater than themselves, take Eren for example, similar to Canute, objectively both of them are villains, but if seen from their perspective in which, they're this morally grey character where their ultimate intentions are for a better future, this grand goal of theirs can be seen as heroic depending on which side you agree upon, despite their hypocrisy though I'd also rather be a greater evil if it meant defeating evil like the quote "Fight fire with fire", in the way i see it, The routes these utilitarianists take are the riskier methods but are more likely to produce results where as someone like Thorfinn, Deku, Naruto or any other deontological protagonist, i see their methods as "playing it safe" and can even be called masochism at times like how some other ethnicities call japanese people masochists for always blaming themselves when their righteousness fails to produce the results they want.
Thorfin learned talk no jutsu in season 2. Im suprised they made this season end that way. I was so ready for thorfin to kill 100 warrirors. But it ended more shocking then i could've imagined. I was just really into thorfins charachter growth and einars influence. It was some how great to watch. If you like season 2, you left watching the show feeling like more of a man.
Vinland Saga season 2 hits that much deeper because of how real it all feels. There's meaningful weight to everything that happens . Every character matters and contributes to the story in a very impactful way.
Watching Thorfinn admit to himself and Einar that the thing that’d kept him alive all those years was not his will to survive, not his desire to go home, not even the memories of his father, but his raw VITRIOL for Askeladd was for me the most shocking moment in the whole two seasons. It takes some massive introspection and humility to admit out loud that you’ve basically thrown your life away being an evil person, yet choosing to live to make things right, *despite* it being practically impossible. I’ve never seen an anime character take such a drastic 180 and still feel like a genuine human being, I’m nothing short of inspired by Vinland Saga.
Thorfinn in episode 10 in the beginning states he wants to try and create a place without the threat of slavery or violence. To create a peaceful nation.And towards the end of season 2 , Thorfinn takes many blows to the face in order to see Canute to stop any more bloodshed or Inoccences from dying . Thorfinn is making those steps towards atonement in season 2 but it's only the beginning for Thorfinn's journey of atonement. Plus we still got plenty of material to cover in the Manga of Vinland Saga.
I feel that episode 4 also added alot of depth and complexity to Einar's character. When Einar tries to choke Thorfinn, in a blinded rage , he eventually stops himself when hearing Thorfinn scream and cry in his sleep. This felt every real and realistic. I can't explain it well. But most of the characters in Vinland Saga feel like real people and act like real people. Idk if what I'm saying makes sense but yeah.
Also in the latter half of epsiode 4 of Vinland Saga, was very powerful, deep and heart wrenching. Seeing both characters affected by war and violence but in different ways and different circumstances collide . I think Thorfinn being confronted by his past was very important and having Einar there is internal. Einar ultimately forgives Thorfinn and reminds him that we are alive because someone kept us alive, and that Thorfinn shouldn't throw his life away so carelessly, no matter the hardships. Because despite the suffering and brutality the world brings, there is beauty to be found in living . In Einar's own way, I think he was trying to tell Thorfinn he deserves to live , despite his past mistakes and sins . This in a way inspires Thorfinn to try and get to Vinland to create a place without the threat of violence or slavery .
Because he let his vengeance and haterd consume him, he never was able to move forward, never able to grow , never able to change . That's why Thorfinn's growth and change in season 2 is so powerful.
To be fair.... ALL that vinland proves is.... Modern anime/manga lost its touch, they just can't come up with deep genuine writing as much as they did in the past cause VINLAND came out in 2005 (manga), but its just SLOW to get an anime. in fact, the anime after 2 seasons, is already 8 years worth of the manga AKA end of S2 was where the manga is in 2013. And one thing I noticed is any manga from pre-2010s or even 2000s are good, but newer ones are rarely on the same level. Which is why for many years I argued that post-2010s anime tends to lose its touch lately across the board, focusing too much on animation and foreigner expectations rather than what anime and manga really known for.
Vinland Saga is one of the best gateway anime in years. So many anime fall into common tropes that have come to define the medium as a whole, but Vinland Saga is like the anime equivalent of a historical drama like Lawrence of Arabia or Seven Samurai. The anime is full great storytelling, dialogue, and acting in both sub and dub.
What makes Vinland Saga so compelling is seeing a character, who's trying to go a different path to only fight to protect and use self defense without killing anyone . Trying to create instead of destroying. The world Thorfinn resides in is consumed by violence and romanrizes violence . It's glorified . He tries to atone and become a better man. An interesting juxtaposition from a brutal viking in the past, to a more kind and compassionate protagonist. He learns of truth and seeks to create a place without the threat of violence or slavery. The point of Vinland Saga is to get to Vinland and to create . But it's not easy . Thorfinn gets more scars when he dosen't kill, but he still hopes to find another alternative than to kill. People still die in this world . Which makes Thorfinn's journey very difficult . The point isn't to save the world from all violence, it's trying to battle with the idea of violence and living a different way than what is expected of you in viking society. Thorfinn dosen't want to hurt anyone or have others suffer as he did . That's why Thorfinn tries so hard not to kill. He uses the skills he learned from war , as a means to incompasiate one's who direct violence at him or those around him without killing . To save a live and to defend his own life.
Also I never thought Thorfinn was necessarily being selfish in season 2, selfish wouldn't be the word I'd use. I feel in the beginning he was drowning with his guilt without doing anything about it. By the end of season 2 Thorfinn works towards atonement. And hopefully if we get a season 3&4 , we will see the full lengths Thorfinn goses to, to try and atone.
A seemingly insignificant battle on a random farm with overwhelming differences in strength. The king of both England and Denmark against some vassals and farm workers. Yet it becomes the most significant turning point in this worlds history and future.
The dead still torment Thorfinn . And his anger tries to tempt him , because that is all he knows, but he fights against his urges to rise above it . He lives with this everyday of his life. A weight he must carry and bare.
Idk man, but I think the AoT ending hate came from *some delusional Jaegerists* who were so immersed with the idea of revenge, but got so disappointed to see Eren "acting like a p***y" at the end, even calling him a simp. 😂 i feel like this is the same type of people who would hate VS S2. They radiate that exact same behavior.
@@cokecan6169 @@cokecan6169 i get where you're coming from. But try look at it from this perspective. During the four year time skip, While all the others were learning about the world and people around them, Eren was in psychological isolation. This is where the question of freedom comes into play. Eren's journey shifted from seeking freedom to being enslaved by fate. He had forsaken his growth in exchange for completing his mission. Hence, he became numb and cold towards everyone else, which shows that even though we saw him develop and mature in certain aspects, his humanity was compromised along with his social skills. So while he did develop as soldier/warrior or however else you want to put it, his personal development was stunted. That's why he struggled to articulate his feelings not only to Mikasa but Armin as well in the final chapter, cos he hadn't been in many situations, during the four year skip, where he could express his feelings. So he was bound to sound like an idiot in a situation he was unfamiliar with. When I realised that, I appreciated what Isayama did with his character more, cos that's often how it goes in these types of situations.
I absolutely hate and detest AOT's ending but I am in love with Vinland Saga S2. The people around me who hate AOT's ending are also the same, we hate it because its rushed, lazy and stupid. I know you said most, not all but still I wanted to express how I am unable to find any correlation between these two series.
My personal opinion, Thorfinn was never weak. He was just a slave to his vengeance and resentment. He not only hurt himself but others and Inoccences for selfish reasons. It's easy to destory . It's alot harder to protect and create .
10:00 Something to think about. Animals are selfish. A wolf finds whatever is weak and feeds on it, simply as it is hungry. It does not care for justice, fairness, kindness or any sense of morality man understands. It does not have thoughts of the future, it acts on instinct naturally moving for nothing but its own benefit. By our standards, this is the making of an evil man. Now I present to you the rabbit. While it is weak, harmless and inconsequential, how does it compare? It too seeks out whatever is weak to sate its hunger, and also care little for anything but it's own benefit. It's thinking is just as simple, just as selfish. Weakness isn't kindness. Man is far more capable of being a menace than either of these. The sins of being too hard are not fixed by becoming too soft. In this story these are simply two immature steps in a young mans life. Both are build on naïve self interest natural to all living things. This is not something to criticize, it simply displayed the difficulty of maturing a complex mind to hold valuable skills, good judgement, and hopefully in the future well practiced virtues. Too much apathy makes a monster, to much compassion a victim. There are significantly better things for a man to be.
Tbh I blame thorfinn at the end of S1 brotha was given the chance to take it and he didn’t; also throughout that entire season he had ample time to take Askeladd and even was offered to join Thorkell
different tastes, different people.. i honestly didnt like s2 that much, it felt like a switch and bait from season 1 where it was super hype and it slowed down suddenly, some people appreciate the slow and beautiful story telling, and some are disappointed because they were expecting more of what they saw originally.. the problem was that people were fighting to prove each other wrong, cursing each other and calling it bad tastes, when in reality its not for everyone. respect people's opinions and they'll give respect back.. you don't like it? its completely fine, wish you good luck finding an anime you like.. you like it? thats also fine. i've seen so many detailed criticism that people give and fans deny it by saying "grow up shounen kid", literally honest opinions go down the drain. thats the problem with most communities, and many people have got to realize that
Vinland Saga really is in a league of its own. The only big disappointment is Thorfins naive solution to just run away from all the bad things in the world. I really hope that he quickly learns that this is not a real solution, even if he builds a nation there will be evil there too, because human beings can’t help but bring evil with them no matter where they go.
Read manga up to the latest chapters. He is for sure going to know about the cons of running away from violence. He will do something complete unexpected when running away can't be the answer anymore. Really looking forward to Season 3 anime!
@@daehyun2904being badass i have no problem Instead be a realistic guy Thorfinn after S2 is just a typical dumb mc who have fantastis he can create a world with talk which is bullshit
Thorfinn I believe also hates himself for what be done in the past. He battles with self loathing . So much so he wants to die. Yet his body wants to live .
Vinland Saga is the reason why I love Anime. Season 2 of Vinland Saga is my favorite, so much so , I gave it a 10/10. I haven't felt this strongly about Anime in awhile. Vinland Saga is a deep and thought provoking peice about rebirth and one's relationship to violence. Why are we drawn to violence?
What's up with these small youtubers talkimg about epic animes or stuff with high level video quality getting promoted by TH-cam? Not that I'm complaining, but it's like the 3rd video today xD
Thorfinn is simply a flawed human . And is slowly becoming a better man . In reality, there isn't a good vs evil. It's more complicated and morally grey.
I love talking about the show. The first 3 minute recap of this video could have been skipped though to make the video more focused. We've already seen the show so the recap was unnecessary
As a life long fan, my joy of seeing so many people gushing over VS is only matched by my irritation over seemingly no one being able to pronounce the character names, not like the characters themselves aren't constantly screaming each other's names in the show 😆 I love you man, I really do, but for future reference: Einar is pronounced HEY-NAR, Askeladd is pronounced ASH-HE-LADD.
Clickbait title! I thought Kotlin was the best language to use when developing for Android before watching season 2 of Vinland Saga. After watching it I still think it is so I wasn't wrong about EVERYTHING. cynicism over. Loved the manga, love the anime. Vinland Saga has become one of my favorite stories, It really resonates with me and Thorfinn is a great character.
I started watching Vinland because I wanted an exciting Viking anime and season 1 delivered on that, season 2 did not. I can recognize everything you’re saying about how masterful done season 2 is but it’s just not for me. Too slow, not enough interesting characters, too preachy. Oddly my favorite episode was the last one, it has fun energy that was lacking from the entire season
Askeladd was the best character by far, I enjoyed the second season way less. I hate being preached to a the whole season just seemed like a lesson and way too on the nose. Still a good show.
Based on the thumbnail, I expected this video to be about the fact that the turning point shounen action junkies were mocking for years ended up beloved by most people. Also, instead of having yet another one-sided tirade about isekai at the start of your video, you could have compared the success of Vinland Saga 2 to the likes of Chainsaw Man, Jujutsu Kaisen, or Kimetsu no Yaiba. Unfortunately, you thought that looking for the most random stuff on NovelUpdates to prove your refreshing take would be a good idea.
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finally and i didn't understand some of this stupid youtuber who don't do their research saying that season 2 will fail when the rating is so good like bro they were not doing their research.
I’m sorry but please stop pronouncing einar like that, you act like you haven’t watched an episode and see just reading off a script someone else wrote
I remember your old video on Vinland Saga and I will say this again here. Vinland Saga is truly one of a kind, its hard to find anime that manage to do what Vinland Saga does. The violence and animation are great but it comes down to characters like Thorfinn and Asekladd, that make the series all the more better.
Best anime since naruto and attack on titan
W, agreed
As an Icelander who studied the sagas in school and on my own. This is one of the most accurate presentations of the sagas. the only Hollywood movie that is as accurate is The Northman mostly thanks to the director assigning the Icelandic historian and artist Sjón to co-write the script.
@@hecticjdj7488wtf is up with this take... I don't get it. This spend 11 episodes on farming...I honestly watch the first 3 episodes fully and I speed watched through the rest until about episode 12. The dudes are just farming.
@@captainchau your a kid you’ll like it more as an adult lol
Even if he had killed Askeladd the result would be the same. The emptyness would might have been worse because after killing him he would feel a deep regret after realizing he liked him as a father figure
His relationship with Thorfinn and vice versa is so interesting.
It's lacked therapy and advice about power figures.
strongly disagreed. I do not think he liked him. he hated him for killing his actual father and pretty much taking away his innocence at a young age. and he would have never killed askeladd since it is his reason for living.
@@thephoenix4093towards the end he saw him as a father figure and a goal, Askeladd even said it, no matter how many times we fight you will never win, cause he never takes a break and never actually goes for the kill
@@dillonmackay683 towards the end of what, askeladd's life? or season 1 or season 2? towards the end of askeladd's life thorfinn was screaming at him to get up and fight him in a duel, because he was afraid of not being able to keep fighting him. not because he cared enough about him to not want him to die... and when did thorfinn say it.
Thorfinn wasn't captured. He was sold into slavery by Canute as punishment for cutting his face.
My spider sense also went.....😶🌫
It is also Canute's atonement for taking Thorfinn's father figure from him. Under normal circumstances, Canute must send Thorfinn to death.
Its canute way of saving him because he will be killed there if canute didn't intervene
@@KafujiSato well I don't think Canute would've punished Thorfinn at all if it wasn't for his position
I really hope that Vinland Saga gets like a AOT worldwide recognition. This masterpiece really deserves it
Decent chance thats it getting one. When they only show action for like the last 3 episodes shounen whales gonna be droppin that aot atleast provided some build up evrey episode
@@marianomateus5295it’s arguable that there is buildup every episode. however, it is hard for people to understand that the buildup will be different from now on, and how that is still a good thing. i, and countless others, could not wait week after week to watch this due to the buildup. it easily deserves recognition the way aot does. i’m not saying vinland is better or the best thing ever, but for what it has accomplished thus far with it’s compelling story, it deserves worldwide attention.
@@linkbase6558way better than aot
@@gabrielchovan-spence4215nah both are great.
I have no enemies got very famous
bro his reunion to his mother is enough to make a grown man cry 😢 imagine so many years he forget his family and go home
Did you just call Thor, Thorkell, Thorfinn and Askeladd "somewhat skilled fighters". Bro they are superhumans.
Yeah pretty much
Yeah I’m pretty sure they’re considered like some of the best warriors of their time
Below average
I was a pretty big fan of the first season of Vinland Saga, but it always felt like it was following a shonen character through a seinin world and, practically all the way to the end, Thorfinn maintained that role without showing much in the way of growth. I loved Askeladd, and while I enjoyed watching Thorfinn, I can't say he stood as much more than a vehicle for vengeance who lost his opportunity in the end.
S2 showed the kind of growth in his character that I was looking for and the slower pacing allowed his development to build out more organically. Einar was a strong complement to him, representing both the people that he slaughtered during his blind rage (his past) and the peaceful life that he started out seeking aimlessly (gaining experience through the work on the farm) and eventually chose as his path forward (founding a peaceful society in Vinland). I also love that, while Canute stood in stark contrast to the pacifistic life he was developing, his confrontation with him wasn't what solidified his path forward. Instead, it became a demonstration of his resolve, one so powerful that it moved a man who had done his best to eschew his humanity not to anguish or fear, but to laughter. He evoked a strong positive emotion from one who had forgotten what it was like to feel that in pursuit of power.
It also helped that this season had some of the best single episodes of any anime I've seen in recent memory, particularly Oath and Way Home. So, yeah, big fan of S1, bigger fan of S2. Great video.
It’s so hard to pick which season I love more. One cannot exist without the other
@@DecafisHere True enough. That's part of the reason why I tend to rate whole series based on how much I liked their most recent season - everything else built up to that result. Truer of series like Vinland Saga and Mob Psycho 100 than most.
@@DecafisHere which season is truly ground breaking, unique and potentially genre defining. Both seasons are great, but this to me makes one season superior to the other. 😉
"felt like it was following a shonen character through a seinin world"
He was literally a shounen so that makes sense
Thorfinn wasnt captured and sold to slavery, he was sentenced after harming royal blood. (Canute) sorry to be a nerd but i think this completely changes things. The person who took his goal, who was a guy who never was a warrior before being soft, showed him mercy and kept him living. Allowing a life were he wallows in his anguish. This is such good writing. Liked season 2 just wanted more combat, but it wasnt meant to be that way which i get.
I started off loving Vinland Saga for the Badass fight scenes, but now I'm here for the story of Thorfinn. A True Warrior. This is a great story.
Thorfinn lived off his hatred alone for Askeladd for so long, that when Askeladd died and his opportunity of revenge was robbed from him, Thorfinn in a way lost his purpose. He became an empty man. He at that point no longer had a reason to live. And his dreams show his internalize regret and PTSD he suffered in silence but now it's coming full circle in season 2. Thorfinn in season 1 pushed that down , but now he faces his PTSD and has no choice but to come confront it in season 2.
I know I am making a big statement by saying that "Vinland Saga is the Best" but hear me out and watch the full video. With that being said, what were your favorite parts of Vinland Saga?
It is impossible to pick which is my favorite part of this anime. If i had to, I liked when Thorfinn smiled for the first time
@@lenanena5 No I agree with you. But Thorfinn smiling did make me cry a bit
The 🤝
@DecafisHere IDK man i love every part of it
Thorfinn saying sorry and thank you to einar
Great video! What make Vinland Saga pretty good, is the historical context, some fights are obviously exagerated, its anime after all, but many things that happen on screen is real. Life is unforgiving
Vinland Saga has become my all time #1 favorite anime, absolute peak masterpiece
it's not even the fault of those people who abandon Vinland Saga because "it gets boring" or "Thorfinn became soft and weak". the glorification of violence in media since ever is the fault, even the Season 1. Sure from Season 1 it's still a commentary about violence is bad, but truth be told the violence there is pretty cool. Thorkell vs Thorfinn is cool, Thorfinn killing all the soldiers is cool, all the atrocities Askellad did is very scary, but Askellad himself is cool.
so it's okay if people thinks S2 is bad because they abandon the violence, because we so used to violence being cool in media (movie, series, game, book, etc) so a full season of commentary about a person who went on violence rampage his whole life realizing his deeds is wrong and went searching for forgiveness is not everyone cup of tea.
but man i love season 2. it's my personal opinion but Vinland Saga is my favorite media ever. it's kinda biased opinion, but that's what opinion is. it touches my heart and all the messages it trying to deliver resonate with me fully. i love all the character and the best part is everyone in this story felt like a real person, who you can talk to and have a conversation with.
sorry for the long comment, but for those who still want to give S2 a chance and be open minded about it, i'm sure it'll be an experience you will never forget.
true cant wait for the next arc
Yes but unfortunately violence is sometimes the only answer. They shouldn't have turned Thorfinn into a full pacifist and a straight up wus, it would have been better if he would just try to refrain from unnecessary violence
@@AbyssWatch3r i really can't wait. A while ago, I decided to read the manga after the anime, but knowing S3 is coming, imma hold myself and wait for it. The anime has been a godsent.
@@Srbenda126 i think that's the question for Thorfinn, depicted in him vs Snake. When Askeladd said something along the line of "which path leads to true warrior" it represents the notion of - is necessary violence exist or do Thorfinn need to go pacifist all the way.
While i haven't read the manga, i can see that in the future his believe will be tested and he will be forced to use violence again as a mean to an end.
@@ilhamadigunawan5264ur view are pretty narrow and childish if u think violence is bad
And Vinland saga is whole pretty much goes childish after S2
With a unrealistic ideology that I have no enemies which is bad
His development is good but ideology is of a 3 year old kid
One thing you should mention about the manga: It's *FUNNY.* It's half the time knee-slapping hilarious. But the funny part is where the humanity in Vinland Saga shines. It's in these moments that you see the endurance of these characters. That they still find humor and good vibes despite the harsh reality they're in.
Puffer thorfin 😭
it's one of the reason why i find Vinland saga so similar to Vagabond. As close as the message could be, the humor brings humanity in both of those pieces
Vinland Saga is one of my favourite stories, I've ever had the pleasure of reading/watching. Thorfinn is such a wonderful character, everything he goes through and how he develops. I would gib him many'a kisses if he was real.
he is based on a real person
but i vote against putting your mouth on that cadaver
@@loganjk8990 Oh I know he's based on the real Thorfinn Karlsefni. However I doubt there would be much to even kiss. However, if you dig him up, I'll give it a solid shot
All I can say is this. Farmland Saga = Peakland Saga. God story!!
I also think Einar helps Thorfinn to live and change. Einar is the only friend Thorfinn has ever had in his life . Their friendship is so deep that they are like brothers to eachother. Brotherhood.
You can't just put land of the lustrous ost in the background 🥲 while talking about one of my favorite stories ever. You tryna kill me?! Good video by the way 👍🏼
I am glad someone noticed my music choice! I love land of the lustrous 😁
@DecafisHere me too! I want a season 2 so bad, but at this point I should probably pick up the manga 😅
Honestly read the manga… season 2 won’t come out for a long time
its a crime land of the lustrous this underated 😭
Tbh I don't have sympathy for the people that found season 2 boring to their own surprise, the seinen tag was there from the beginning, in fact that's how I found vinland saga in the first place, I did a filtered anime search specifically for seinen. The writing styles and creative liberties are different between seinen and shounen and thus I was never caught off guard.
Hopefully we get a season 3&4 of Vinland Saga ! 😭
vinland saga should be best anime of the year 2023
The pacing of the second season’s episodes had this magical quality to them. Whenever an episode was finished I wasn’t demanded to move on to the next one, it felt like waking up from a dream.
Because it was so boring that you actually sleep on it...
@@mathieudoucet1446 damn we got mr. violence from season 1 over here
@@mathieudoucet1446You don’t get it do you?
Vinland is not for you @@mathieudoucet1446
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I'mma get this out of the way, being a hero has nothing to do with morality. A hero is someone who has a purpose greater than oneself. So when Thorfinn finally makes the decision to find Vinland, that is when he became a true hero (true warrior), same with Canute wanting to create paradise on earth, it makes him the villain to the perspective of those he prosecutes, but he's still a hero nonetheless no matter the morality of his actions.
I think I mispoke. I meant a hero as in a good person and villain as a bad person. His morals are not either. He isn’t a good person but not an awful’ person. His morals are constantly changing. Yes he is a protagonist but I guess he could be considered a flawed hero
@@DecafisHere I didn't post the comment specifically to correct you though, it's more for the purpose of clarifying the idea between classifying characters as labels like Anti-Hero, Villain, Anti-Villain, etc. When in reality these definitions don't need to be overcomplicated when being a "Hero" is as simple and profound as having a greater purpose bigger than oneself
No worries. I didn’t think you were correcting me. I just didn’t clarify what I was saying
@@hish33p32 The real meaning of hero from the Greek is protector or defender. Thorfinn is none of those things, in fact there is foreshadowing of this when he breaks the kid's arm. Heroism is everything to do with morality, the realisation that slavery is immoral, war is immoral, and creating a safe space for those like Arnheid is the right, heroic, thing to do. Canute is the opposite, and follows the opposite trajectory, he starts off as the pacifist and in his desire to help others ultimately becomes the thing that causes so much pain and grief.
@@Sarndel327 Well it's just my opinion atleast, because I've seen videos in philosophy defining "Hero" as the person in a story generally the protagonist having a purpose being greater than themselves, take Eren for example, similar to Canute, objectively both of them are villains, but if seen from their perspective in which, they're this morally grey character where their ultimate intentions are for a better future, this grand goal of theirs can be seen as heroic depending on which side you agree upon, despite their hypocrisy though I'd also rather be a greater evil if it meant defeating evil like the quote "Fight fire with fire", in the way i see it, The routes these utilitarianists take are the riskier methods but are more likely to produce results where as someone like Thorfinn, Deku, Naruto or any other deontological protagonist, i see their methods as "playing it safe" and can even be called masochism at times like how some other ethnicities call japanese people masochists for always blaming themselves when their righteousness fails to produce the results they want.
I hope one day Berserk gets this treatment, what I would do to see The Lost Children arc get animated
Bro that scene of Arnheid’s husband reuniting with his son actually killed me emotionally
Thorfin learned talk no jutsu in season 2. Im suprised they made this season end that way. I was so ready for thorfin to kill 100 warrirors. But it ended more shocking then i could've imagined. I was just really into thorfins charachter growth and einars influence. It was some how great to watch. If you like season 2, you left watching the show feeling like more of a man.
Vinland Saga season 2 hits that much deeper because of how real it all feels. There's meaningful weight to everything that happens . Every character matters and contributes to the story in a very impactful way.
I have read the manga....Man...the character development is top notch compared to other manga. I hope they continue the Anime
When you said “somewhat skilled fighters” I was like what lol you mean literal god tier warriors
Watching Thorfinn admit to himself and Einar that the thing that’d kept him alive all those years was not his will to survive, not his desire to go home, not even the memories of his father, but his raw VITRIOL for Askeladd was for me the most shocking moment in the whole two seasons. It takes some massive introspection and humility to admit out loud that you’ve basically thrown your life away being an evil person, yet choosing to live to make things right, *despite* it being practically impossible. I’ve never seen an anime character take such a drastic 180 and still feel like a genuine human being, I’m nothing short of inspired by Vinland Saga.
Thorfinn in episode 10 in the beginning states he wants to try and create a place without the threat of slavery or violence. To create a peaceful nation.And towards the end of season 2 , Thorfinn takes many blows to the face in order to see Canute to stop any more bloodshed or Inoccences from dying . Thorfinn is making those steps towards atonement in season 2 but it's only the beginning for Thorfinn's journey of atonement. Plus we still got plenty of material to cover in the Manga of Vinland Saga.
Yup! I was calling it during Season 1. That half of the anime only people would not like the Farmland arc
I feel that episode 4 also added alot of depth and complexity to Einar's character. When Einar tries to choke Thorfinn, in a blinded rage , he eventually stops himself when hearing Thorfinn scream and cry in his sleep. This felt every real and realistic. I can't explain it well. But most of the characters in Vinland Saga feel like real people and act like real people. Idk if what I'm saying makes sense but yeah.
Also in the latter half of epsiode 4 of Vinland Saga, was very powerful, deep and heart wrenching. Seeing both characters affected by war and violence but in different ways and different circumstances collide . I think Thorfinn being confronted by his past was very important and having Einar there is internal. Einar ultimately forgives Thorfinn and reminds him that we are alive because someone kept us alive, and that Thorfinn shouldn't throw his life away so carelessly, no matter the hardships. Because despite the suffering and brutality the world brings, there is beauty to be found in living . In Einar's own way, I think he was trying to tell Thorfinn he deserves to live , despite his past mistakes and sins . This in a way inspires Thorfinn to try and get to Vinland to create a place without the threat of violence or slavery .
while waiting for the episodes after the first 12 to get dubbed, I have watched the first 12 3 times because it is so awesome
sub is as good if not better it has way more emotion and fits the characters more
@@merchantmocha4665 don't know about all that. have you seen the netflix dub
Vinland saga is soup for the soul. Something our modern society needs to incorporate in their diet
What's the song at 6:00
Vinland Saga looks to see if we can find alternative to conflict, instead of having killing to be specific, be the solution to every conflict.
season 2 was goatedd fr
very good video
He wasnt captured, he was exiled into slavery for attacking Canut.
6:11 working on who's farm? Lol
Because he let his vengeance and haterd consume him, he never was able to move forward, never able to grow , never able to change . That's why Thorfinn's growth and change in season 2 is so powerful.
To be fair.... ALL that vinland proves is.... Modern anime/manga lost its touch, they just can't come up with deep genuine writing as much as they did in the past cause VINLAND came out in 2005 (manga), but its just SLOW to get an anime. in fact, the anime after 2 seasons, is already 8 years worth of the manga AKA end of S2 was where the manga is in 2013. And one thing I noticed is any manga from pre-2010s or even 2000s are good, but newer ones are rarely on the same level.
Which is why for many years I argued that post-2010s anime tends to lose its touch lately across the board, focusing too much on animation and foreigner expectations rather than what anime and manga really known for.
you just casually get half of the names wrong
Vinland Saga is one of the best gateway anime in years. So many anime fall into common tropes that have come to define the medium as a whole, but Vinland Saga is like the anime equivalent of a historical drama like Lawrence of Arabia or Seven Samurai. The anime is full great storytelling, dialogue, and acting in both sub and dub.
What makes Vinland Saga so compelling is seeing a character, who's trying to go a different path to only fight to protect and use self defense without killing anyone . Trying to create instead of destroying. The world Thorfinn resides in is consumed by violence and romanrizes violence . It's glorified . He tries to atone and become a better man. An interesting juxtaposition from a brutal viking in the past, to a more kind and compassionate protagonist. He learns of truth and seeks to create a place without the threat of violence or slavery. The point of Vinland Saga is to get to Vinland and to create . But it's not easy . Thorfinn gets more scars when he dosen't kill, but he still hopes to find another alternative than to kill. People still die in this world . Which makes Thorfinn's journey very difficult . The point isn't to save the world from all violence, it's trying to battle with the idea of violence and living a different way than what is expected of you in viking society. Thorfinn dosen't want to hurt anyone or have others suffer as he did . That's why Thorfinn tries so hard not to kill. He uses the skills he learned from war , as a means to incompasiate one's who direct violence at him or those around him without killing . To save a live and to defend his own life.
Also I never thought Thorfinn was necessarily being selfish in season 2, selfish wouldn't be the word I'd use. I feel in the beginning he was drowning with his guilt without doing anything about it. By the end of season 2 Thorfinn works towards atonement. And hopefully if we get a season 3&4 , we will see the full lengths Thorfinn goses to, to try and atone.
A seemingly insignificant battle on a random farm with overwhelming differences in strength. The king of both England and Denmark against some vassals and farm workers. Yet it becomes the most significant turning point in this worlds history and future.
The music man 🤌🏻🙌
The dead still torment Thorfinn . And his anger tries to tempt him , because that is all he knows, but he fights against his urges to rise above it . He lives with this everyday of his life. A weight he must carry and bare.
Most of the same people who hate AOT's ending also hate Vinland Saga S2.
There is weird trend for people hating on those anime lmao
@@DecafisHere contrarianism has become fashionable IMO. But hey, no g*ns to the head, I guess.
Great video btw
Idk man, but I think the AoT ending hate came from *some delusional Jaegerists* who were so immersed with the idea of revenge, but got so disappointed to see Eren "acting like a p***y" at the end, even calling him a simp. 😂 i feel like this is the same type of people who would hate VS S2. They radiate that exact same behavior.
@@cokecan6169 @@cokecan6169 i get where you're coming from. But try look at it from this perspective.
During the four year time skip, While all the others were learning about the world and people around them, Eren was in psychological isolation.
This is where the question of freedom comes into play.
Eren's journey shifted from seeking freedom to being enslaved by fate. He had forsaken his growth in exchange for completing his mission. Hence, he became numb and cold towards everyone else, which shows that even though we saw him develop and mature in certain aspects, his humanity was compromised along with his social skills. So while he did develop as soldier/warrior or however else you want to put it, his personal development was stunted.
That's why he struggled to articulate his feelings not only to Mikasa but Armin as well in the final chapter, cos he hadn't been in many situations, during the four year skip, where he could express his feelings.
So he was bound to sound like an idiot in a situation he was unfamiliar with.
When I realised that, I appreciated what Isayama did with his character more, cos that's often how it goes in these types of situations.
I absolutely hate and detest AOT's ending but I am in love with Vinland Saga S2. The people around me who hate AOT's ending are also the same, we hate it because its rushed, lazy and stupid. I know you said most, not all but still I wanted to express how I am unable to find any correlation between these two series.
Seeing subtitle saying villian saga is absolutely great
4:50 the key word is “blinded by the rage”
I hate to tell you but that’s four words 😅
If someone hate this anime than they need to grow up .
FR 🙏
Vinland Saga is true literature. It transcends the medium.
It's a character study just like vagbond
Nice pfp! And yes I agree
My personal opinion, Thorfinn was never weak. He was just a slave to his vengeance and resentment. He not only hurt himself but others and Inoccences for selfish reasons. It's easy to destory . It's alot harder to protect and create .
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Something to think about. Animals are selfish. A wolf finds whatever is weak and feeds on it, simply as it is hungry. It does not care for justice, fairness, kindness or any sense of morality man understands. It does not have thoughts of the future, it acts on instinct naturally moving for nothing but its own benefit. By our standards, this is the making of an evil man.
Now I present to you the rabbit. While it is weak, harmless and inconsequential, how does it compare? It too seeks out whatever is weak to sate its hunger, and also care little for anything but it's own benefit. It's thinking is just as simple, just as selfish.
Weakness isn't kindness. Man is far more capable of being a menace than either of these. The sins of being too hard are not fixed by becoming too soft. In this story these are simply two immature steps in a young mans life. Both are build on naïve self interest natural to all living things. This is not something to criticize, it simply displayed the difficulty of maturing a complex mind to hold valuable skills, good judgement, and hopefully in the future well practiced virtues. Too much apathy makes a monster, to much compassion a victim. There are significantly better things for a man to be.
Thorfinn really changhed my outlook on life
What was the background music for this video?
Tbh I blame thorfinn at the end of S1 brotha was given the chance to take it and he didn’t; also throughout that entire season he had ample time to take Askeladd and even was offered to join Thorkell
different tastes, different people.. i honestly didnt like s2 that much, it felt like a switch and bait from season 1 where it was super hype and it slowed down suddenly, some people appreciate the slow and beautiful story telling, and some are disappointed because they were expecting more of what they saw originally.. the problem was that people were fighting to prove each other wrong, cursing each other and calling it bad tastes, when in reality its not for everyone. respect people's opinions and they'll give respect back.. you don't like it? its completely fine, wish you good luck finding an anime you like.. you like it? thats also fine. i've seen so many detailed criticism that people give and fans deny it by saying "grow up shounen kid", literally honest opinions go down the drain. thats the problem with most communities, and many people have got to realize that
Vinland Saga really is in a league of its own. The only big disappointment is Thorfins naive solution to just run away from all the bad things in the world. I really hope that he quickly learns that this is not a real solution, even if he builds a nation there will be evil there too, because human beings can’t help but bring evil with them no matter where they go.
Read manga up to the latest chapters. He is for sure going to know about the cons of running away from violence. He will do something complete unexpected when running away can't be the answer anymore. Really looking forward to Season 3 anime!
@@daehyun2904 if this is true I am looking forward to it! As it stands I’m more interested in Canute’s pursuit and story than Thorfins
@@CrispySenpai Thorfinn is going to become extremely badass don't you worry.
@@daehyun2904being badass i have no problem
Instead be a realistic guy
Thorfinn after S2 is just a typical dumb mc who have fantastis he can create a world with talk which is bullshit
Thorfinn I believe also hates himself for what be done in the past. He battles with self loathing . So much so he wants to die. Yet his body wants to live .
I have no enemies
A 3 year old kid I presume u are
@@adityannair8951:)
This is the kind of anime that separates the thinkers from the mouth breathers.
Vinland Saga is the reason why I love Anime. Season 2 of Vinland Saga is my favorite, so much so , I gave it a 10/10. I haven't felt this strongly about Anime in awhile. Vinland Saga is a deep and thought provoking peice about rebirth and one's relationship to violence. Why are we drawn to violence?
Vinland Saga is one of the best Anime to come out in this era. In my opinion
I agree!!!
What's up with these small youtubers talkimg about epic animes or stuff with high level video quality getting promoted by TH-cam?
Not that I'm complaining, but it's like the 3rd video today xD
I like putting effort into my videos 😄
Yeah they’re are haters out there in the first three weeks .. saying Vinland saga is trash 🤦🏾♂️!! Where they at now???
Good video
Thorfinn is simply a flawed human . And is slowly becoming a better man . In reality, there isn't a good vs evil. It's more complicated and morally grey.
I love talking about the show. The first 3 minute recap of this video could have been skipped though to make the video more focused. We've already seen the show so the recap was unnecessary
I wont lie i didnt like reading it season 2 of vinland saga but its much more watchable animated
As a life long fan, my joy of seeing so many people gushing over VS is only matched by my irritation over seemingly no one being able to pronounce the character names, not like the characters themselves aren't constantly screaming each other's names in the show 😆
I love you man, I really do, but for future reference:
Einar is pronounced HEY-NAR, Askeladd is pronounced ASH-HE-LADD.
Yeah, I do apologize for that. I never knew that is how you pronounce those names. Especially Askeladd
Air gear Vid?
OH, I love air gear
@@DecafisHere I'm still salty about not having season 2, still listen music from that show today lol
@@MarkoLomovic I love the manga! I’m collecting some volumes lmao
@@DecafisHere I'm still on copium I refuse to read manga yet, waiting for dark days...
@@MarkoLomovic understandable 🫡🫡
Ngl Even it was great I didnt like S1 because I cant stand Edgy Thorfinn, but S2 is a masterpiece. Easy AOTY.
But in the end that S2 thorfinn more dumb and childish his ideology is generic like most shonen mc
@@adityannair8951 childish!? You are dumb or pretending to be dumb
i love thorfinn
Vinland is a true masterpiece
Clickbait title!
I thought Kotlin was the best language to use when developing for Android before watching season 2 of Vinland Saga.
After watching it I still think it is so I wasn't wrong about EVERYTHING.
cynicism over.
Loved the manga, love the anime.
Vinland Saga has become one of my favorite stories, It really resonates with me and Thorfinn is a great character.
I use flutter and so dart is my choice
Honestly, it is the best single season of anime I've ever watched
I find s1 more slow than s2 😂.
Fax
I started watching Vinland because I wanted an exciting Viking anime and season 1 delivered on that, season 2 did not.
I can recognize everything you’re saying about how masterful done season 2 is but it’s just not for me. Too slow, not enough interesting characters, too preachy. Oddly my favorite episode was the last one, it has fun energy that was lacking from the entire season
I love this show
Good thing Season 3 will go on to show you Thorfinn truly has become soft and weak.
season 2 is better than season 1 imo
Askeladd was the best character by far, I enjoyed the second season way less. I hate being preached to a the whole season just seemed like a lesson and way too on the nose. Still a good show.
Based on the thumbnail, I expected this video to be about the fact that the turning point shounen action junkies were mocking for years ended up beloved by most people.
Also, instead of having yet another one-sided tirade about isekai at the start of your video, you could have compared the success of Vinland Saga 2 to the likes of Chainsaw Man, Jujutsu Kaisen, or Kimetsu no Yaiba. Unfortunately, you thought that looking for the most random stuff on NovelUpdates to prove your refreshing take would be a good idea.
I could have compared Vinland Saga to those series. But I like making fun of the Isekai genre. I knew it would get under someone’s skin 💀
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Season 2 was boring, bit it was good boredom. I finished Season 2 yesterday, and it was a great adventure.
How old r u bro I think u r kid 😂
@@sam.r8610 ?
Despite the memes “I have no enemies” is deep when u live a life of a scumbag
finally and i didn't understand some of this stupid youtuber who don't do their research saying that season 2 will fail when the rating is so good like bro they were not doing their research.
I’m sorry but please stop pronouncing einar like that, you act like you haven’t watched an episode and see just reading off a script someone else wrote
Huh? Einar can be pronounced like “I-Nar”
It's just peak
it proved me wrong for sure, I originally rated it 10/10 without finishing it and now that I finished it I changed my rate to 1/10
I rate the bait 7/10
@@pacula_the_addict be original, sheep.
I thought season 2 was boring.
Peak
Peakland saga