How SAM BOWIE Became The Biggest "What If" Story! Stunted Growth
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- When you hear the name Sam Bowie, what’s the first thing comes to mind? Anything about Michael Jordan being taken the pick after, going on to become the greatest player of all time, and one of the most iconic brands in American history. The ultimate miss in sports draft history for the Portland Trail Blazers, and somewhat the Houston Rockets as well. Sam Bowie has been featured on many publications like ESPN and Sports illustrated as the biggest bust in NBA history. But why? What Happened? How’s a player good enough to be drafted before 6 all stars, 3 hall of famers and the greatest of all time, become labeled as pretty much a mistake that should’ve never happened? The pick was in, and Sam Bowie was the guy at #2. Without he or the Blazers having that much of a choice, they went forth and created history together, being known and the franchise that made the biggest mistake in history, and a player that didn’t live up to the impossible hype of being drafted before Michael Jordan. How SAM BOWIE Became The Biggest "What If" Story! Stunted Growth
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If Sam Bowie never gets injured, what do his career stats look like?
20 and 10 guy.
He gives them that one great year(i.e. Bill Walton) and maybe even win one of those 2 championship apperances.
20 and 10 with 2 or 3 blocks per game and him and Drexler forming a very good big man and wing duo.
Depends on how the Blazers (or whatever team was to get him) would’ve used him, but I’d say about 15 ppg, 12 rbg, 2 bpg average overall. We got a little glimpse if what a healthy Bowie could do when he was in New Jersey: he averaged 14 points & 10 boards in his 1st year with the Nets..
18 PPG 15 RPG 1.3 BPG
I think Len Bias is the biggest "What If" story in NBA History.
Freaking facts....such a waste. That dude was on his way!!!
Reggie lewis as well.
Exactly Len was a beast!!
@@troyingramtroy123Not Reggie…we at least got a taste of what he was capable of prior to his death. In my opinion, he kept the Celtics out of the cellar after Bias’ death…
Absolutely 💪🏽
Hakeem a bad pick?
You wildin
People forget that Dream took the Rockets to the '86 Finals with Ralph Sampson, but lost to the Celtics, arguably the greatest team of all-time
As far as Bowie, dude could've been a 20 and 10 player with at least 4 all-star appearances if the injuries never occurred 💯
Sam Bowie would have definitely been a career 20 pts and 10 rebounds guy.
+ 2 blocks per game with that
He would’ve been a better Anthony Davis
This was also on 30 for 30. The weird injuries changed my perspective on Bowie
It sure was. I felt for dude, especially when he choked up a bit talking about his physiology compared to horses and how he couldn't help how he was built.
You mean SEC Storied: Going Big.
You're the first person ever to call Hakeem a bad pick.
If Hakeem played on the bulls with Pippen, Kukoc, Kerr, Rodman... he would have won far more championships. Jordan had a better team,
Stunted growth with a stunted take
@@PoetryJesusY2K😂😂😂😂😂
That’s what I thought, I think he needs to look at those Rockets teams n hear what some of them had to say when asked if they thought they would beat the bulls had they faced off in the finals
@@branislavlukic3919We don’t know if Pippen would’ve developed to the player we know him as today, he was just riding the bench but Jordan made him put in the work to develop, probably wouldn’t have been the same with Hakeem
Hakeem was not a bad pick. He's still a top 10 player of all time.
@energyzer_bunny1913 Hakeem was a good pick but Bowie was a bad pick when you consider all the good players that got picked after him
Good video. I didn't realize he had THAT long a career. There's a story about Bob Knight then coach of the Indiana Hoosiers speaking to the Portland brass about Jordan and being told by them they needed a center. Knight reportedly replied " Then let Jordan play center. "
@@christiansoldier77#Truth
"not a bad pick". You think 😂😂
Honestly, I don't consider Sam Bowie and Greg Oden bust, those guys were injured during their playing careers.......
Agreed.
AGREED.It must've been so frustrating dealing with all those injuries affecting your career.I feel for both players,but,these things you have no control over.
I still would’ve drafted Hakeem first overall
6 rings to 2. Trolll
The Portland Trailbrazers STAYS having injured star players. Sam Bowie, Bill Walton, Brandon Roy, and Greg Oden!
Bill*
@@jamesalcantara4217 Fixed it.
Bill Walton was not A Bust he won 2 Chips With Portland and Boston
I saw an interview where he said his legs were jacked up and in pain when he left Kentucky but lied to teams because he wanted to get that bag. When I saw his shin bone poke through the skin I was like woah.
Yeah that was😵💫😖
I'm shook. I knew Kevin Willis was old, but I had no idea he was in the 84 draft. Damn.
He was one of my favorite forwards in the 90s.
Yo JC... it's your favorite troll bro! You been killing it with the new videos you've been dropping lately man and much respect... Thank you so much for showing me an insight to this man's career because I've heard his name so many times but I've never looked into who he was. You in your bag now bro!
Sam Bowie made the Olympic team as a college freshman. Sam took Kentucky to the Final Four, in '84, after being out 2 1/2 years! Kentucky wins the '83 Title with a Sam Bowie, as opposed to NC State. Taking the best available big man was a hard rule, back then. Sam Bowie was that nice! He was nowhere near being a bust!
Exactly
Gotta say surprised you covered two big men back to back on stunted growth JC.
I heard that Houston did offer to trade Ralph Sampson to Portland for Clyde Drexler and the #2 pick in the 84 draft. So Houston could've drafted Olajuwon #1 and then drafted Michael Jordan #2 and would've had a big three of Olanuwon, Jordan, amd Drexler. Portland would've got their center they wanted in Ralph Sampson but probably still get injuries and has his career cut short due to injury. Also of this trade is made Portland never has to worry about drafting Sam Bowie before MJ.
Damn, how many titles you think that team would win? I honestly think ten
@@alexandermendez4653 Yeah Portland Would've won especially since in the early 90s and also late 90s they had some loaded team and very balanced teams.
Len Bias and Hank Gathers are two of the biggest "What Ifs" in my mind
Hakeem Olajuwon was an All-Time Great and was tremendous for the Rockets....please don't discount Hakeem's greatness!
Especially being an all star his rookie season, arguably should’ve won rookie of the year and beat the showtime lakers in 86 before they lost in the finals in 86!
Yo that's just like the 07 draft oden and kd
I loved Sam Bowie's short run with the Lakers in the early mid 90s
I’m watching the throwback BKN & MIA series and I noticed Jeff Teague I saw you did his brother but I think Jeff had way more potential
It has to be hard living with the perception many have of his playing career. Injury after injury, and the mounting pressure of seeing Hakeem and Jordan performing so well.
Actually, Bowie had some decent to good years when healthy. He underachieved because his body simply couldn’t hold up to the pounding basketball puts on your body. At least it was never said that he was lazy, or didn’t love the game. He simply had the worst injury luck and draft position perhaps of all time.
You summed it up perfectly.
Bobby Knight knew how good Mike was and would be. He told everyone prior to the 1984 Draft. Funny how Portland ignored him. Changed the course of their history. 😅
You should do videos on Luke Recker, Steve Alford, Dan Dickau, Gheorghe Muresan, Cedric Ceballos, Kendall Gill, and Rex Chapman.
Kendall Gill had a decent career
Always thought when I heard his story that he was kind of underrated but injuries derailed his career but have you ever heard of a player called Brian Williams Bison Dele who played with Michael Jordan who was killed by his brother on a boat you should look into that story.
I remember that story, NBA insider covered that one
@@Ja-LonnieBilal Yes I remember that as well not many people know the story.
It was also covered on a couple of true crime tv shows. Anyway, Bison/Brian made his mark in the NBA (won a championship with the Bulls too) before he personally decided he didn't want that life anymore. He dealt with mental health issues too. Riding in the sunset with the love of his life was his focus after a while...but his jealous unstable brother ended the life of one of the domestic players to ever come out of Arizona.
@@TheRetroWoman80 Yep I heard he tried to open the plane door 2 times on a flight As well it was a crazy story.
@@troyingramtroy123 😔ikr
Another great vid. I don't believe in curses (kind of) but I was wondering what I'd think if Portland got the first pick this year and got Wemby and he went down with a bad career changing injury soon after (Walton, Bowie, Oden). I was relieved when San Antonio got the pick.
This makes it sound like Olajuwon was listed as 7 footer because 6"10 center would not have been a first pick.
If you REALLY want to put someone as the “biggest draft bust ever,” you could put Blazers draft pick LaRue Martin. Martin was drafted #1 overall in the 1972 draft over Bob McAdoo & Julius Erving, among others. In 5 years, he STILL didn’t total as many points as McAdoo tallied in his rookie year! 🤣
I hate the fact that people always use unplanned injuries as a reason to label someone a bust, like they do with Bowie. (Ironically, another Blazer draft pick, Greg Oden, faces the same criticism.) If people want to use injuries as a measuring stick, then maybe Bill Walton (ANOTHER BLAZER?! WTF?!!!) should be taken off of these “best ever” lists, because he only had about 4 or 5 great seasons before injuries took him down. Just saying…
I agree with your take on Oden 100%, but Walton was still able to win Portland their lone title, win finals MVP, league MVP the next year, and revive his injury plagued career with the Celtics
Len Bias , Sam Bowie , Arvydas Sabonis, Chris Washburn
Better question, What If Patrick Ewing entered that draft also instead of waiting to finish school?
I thought about that too.
Would like to see a better video on Maciej Lampe who was projected to go top 10 or even top 5 in the 2003 nba draft but ended up the second round and left the nba few years later
This is the first time I’ve ever heard someone say Hakeem was a bad pick. Yes, Jordan is better but at the same time the Rockets made the best selection they felt like they could have made and it definitely payed off for them. They won 2 championships with him at the helm and he was arguably the 2nd best player in the league with only Jordan ahead of him & was the best center in the league. He was so great to the point up until I watched this video, I never heard anyone give the Rockets any slander for him being picked 1st & honestly if they had to a re-draft, he may still go number 1.
No man, it’s obvious if they could go back in time they would pick Jordan 1st
Bobby Knight, who'd coached MJ at the '84 Olympic trials, urged Blazers GM Stu Inman (an old pal) to take Jordan. Inman said, "But we need a center." Knight yelled back, "So play him at center!" Inman didn't listen, and the result is a jaw-dropping scene
All things considered, he put together a great career!!
That injury in Kentucky did him in!!
JC, I would like to see you do a segment on Chris Porter of Auburn University!
You should do a video on Raymond Lewis
When it comes to Blazers and centers, it feels kind of cursed.
I dont consider those that injured a bust, the ones i consider bust are ones that get in the league and just don't play well without injury, if not for injury Sam probably would have been an all time great and Blazers probably would have got a couple of rings...
Len Bias the biggest "What IF" indeed
The trailblazers were morons for taking Bowie considering he missed 2 full seasons of injury in college..
Stop it basketball will always be a big man's game
Hey JC, what about making a video on Kyle Guy?
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No jc the bulls would have lost there was no answer for 34. Second it is like Barkley said sam just got hurt.
I remember watching an ESPN documentary on Sam Bowie. I think he talked about leaving Kentucky after his sophomore year. And sometime after deciding that is when he had his leg injury. The medical field when it comes to dealing with sports injuries is far more advanced now than it was then. He was never really the same after that injury he suffered in college. The Sam Bowie before the injury could’ve been an All-Star caliber center. Portland drafted him based on potential rather than production. I think his last year of Kentucky only average like 10 points a game.
John Drew, a lot of people don't know or forget about him.
I apologize but have you done Anthony Randolph and Jordan Hill?
I would love to see you do Khalid the point guard out of uconn!
Forget about michael jordan after looking up things and watching this video bowie shouldn't have been drafted high as he was he was 7ft and already had injury issues coming of college regardless of the era he was a risky pick from the beginning
If Sam Bowie never got injured he’d be at the level of Shaq and Mourning.
Stop it
No he wouldn't Brad Daugherty more like it they was aggressive Bowie was a skilled player
30 for 30 a couple years ago did a piece on the BAD BOYS(Detroit Pistons) on their '88-'89 Chip run.
One of their strategies of accomplishing this was to be PHYSICAL with MJ who wasn't consider a physical/muscular player @ that time.
MJ knew there was ONLY ONE WAY to BEAT the bad boys....GET STRONGER.
How'd MJ do this?
Simple.... he started lifting
Point I'm trying to make is that with injury history of bowie(in kentucky) PRIOR to being drafted,
The trailblazers SHOULD have a bodybuilding coach(THIS IS the 80's of course) and BEFORE ANY scrimmages/practices/game time.... Bowie is in the gym doing HEAVY leg work.
8X MR.Olympia Lee Haney said it best "competitons are WON and LOST with legs"
An uninjured Bowie I think would mean one ring for Portland, he was as good as Mourning on defense
I also think we need Bowie on 2k 💀
Terry Dehere, Rodney Monroe, Walt Williams or Kenny Walker are my picks!
I like Walt Williams
@@lukesmith9692the Wizard
The Wizard had a decent career
Wait who's Rodney Monroe? Earl?
@@lukesmith9692 he played for NC State and was a bucket in college
Saying that Houston with Olajuwon minus the rings in the 90s would almost be as bad is wrong. Houston got a hall of famer in Olajuwon that took his team to the finals his first few years in the league. There's no telling if Jordan would have won a title in Houston. It took him time in Chicago to even find the right winning combinations. There's no guarantee that Mike would have found it in Houston.
Aye can we get a what if story on Benjamin wilson
Hey do a video on Ernie Cobb of Boston College point shaving scandal
Len Bias gave Jordan the business
Please do Ricky ledo if you haven’t!!
He buggin bout Houston taking Hakeem over MJ
Do Dale Ellis please
Can you do Greg Oden
Do joe mazzula as well!!
Dear Rod Thorn, Thank you for drafting Michael Jordan, the best thing you got right 😂
Do marvin barnes!!!!! Please!!!
Sheesh, this guy has more injuries than Greg Oden.
Anyone else think that was Papa John in the thumbnail?
Greg Oden would be nice to cover
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Markelle Faultz is right there too.
Do one on Reggie Miller
U should do David Thompson , micheal Jordan’s inspiration and who he modeled his game after . If it weren’t for the drugs he could have been even greater
Yeah,David was a stone cold junkie at his worst and the nba was filled with players doing drugs.
Too bad that guy didn't get injured so damn much, would have probably been good battles vs Robinson and the other centers in the nba! And if he didn't miss a couple seasons in college he'd be on a different team because he would have made the 83 draft but thinking about that he'd probably still been drafted by Portland if they had a high pick since they still needed a center so Clyde would have been somewhere else maybe, and Jordan for that matter if he went all four years.
Portland and their big men...Bill Walton also had severe leg and foot injuries, then came Bowie...and later on Oden.
Sam Bowie would probably pan out like Anthony Davis’s career if he didn’t get a career ending injury.
Can you do allan michael redd!!! One of the best lefties
Jc, what happened to Mickaël Piétrus?
I don’t think Hakeem (or rather Akeem) was a bad pick & I think the Rockets would’ve beaten a then exhausted Jordan in 94
Hakeem wasn’t just not a bad pick, but a GREAT pick by Houston.
Say my dude. Don't you ever refer to drafting olajuwon a mistake.
Fun fact: My grandpa actually was friends with Sam Bowie and let him stay a few nights in his house
Man I don’t care how tall he was I wouldn’t have drafted him the dude missed like 2-3 years in college because injuries what do you expect playing 82 games not counting the preseason and postseason to be honest I wouldn’t have even drafted embid either because he missed time in college
Well knowing the injury history of Bowie, the Blazers could have taken Sam Perkins or Kevin Willis instead if they really want a big man.
Hakeem is a great pick for Houston. I will defend that to my grave.
Facts!!!!!
To make things worse, Sam Bowie isn't even who comes to mind when I hear that name. It's the name Chris Rocks character in " Down To Earth", BOOIE.
Also, you mentioned that no one really knew how good Jordan had become before the draft. This is not entirely true. Bobby Knight literally was on record in 1984 saying that Michael Jordan was the best basketball player he had ever seen. In the summer of 1984 in a team USA versus NBA all star exhibition, there’s a commentator who predicted that Michael Jordan would be one of the greatest players ever
We still struggling with what a bust is I see. Sam Bowie was NOT a bust. He was injury prone. When he actually played, he played well. A bust plays poorly despite high skill or expectations.
Marvin Barnes is another one!
Rik Smits……
im pretty sure mike is not gonna be the mike we know now if he got drafted by the portland he just gonna be a great scorer
Kyle Kuzma and Sam Bowie
Nick Anderson
The Bulls weren’t beating Houston though …
Anthony Davis be like.........
I mean if Portland needed a big man that badly they should've taken Mel Turpin or Kevin Willis. I would've taken Willis
Stop it Bowie was the better player and u wouldn't pass up on that talent
@@theetruth8626 Talent is one thing.......health is another.
@@yungbro50 do you know how many players that dealt with injuries in college back then that still went on and had great NBA careers see it's easy to say things after the aftermath but in that time and moment u don't know nothing Kenyon Martin broke his leg in college. How was his NBA career look at Embiid and many others the NBA like a dice game u don't know nothing until the dice is rolled
@@theetruth8626 Yeah I'm very familiar with players who suffered from injuries. You forgot one thing though.......kenyon still played more than 20 games in 4 years in college and Joell Embiid was one and done. Sam Bowie was literally out 2 years from 1981-1983 and then played in his last year after being a redshirt. That history alone would be a bad risk or a "gamble" for a number 2 pick. Maybe later in the 1st round or an early 2nd round pick but not a lottery. That's too much of a liability.
@@yungbro50 it's easy to say now because of all the injuries we done seen after the Sam Bowie draft but remember this was 84
He's not bad at all.
Zion Williamson is Sam Bowie
You’re trippin about hakeem, not even close to a bad pick
Looking at his stats he didn’t have that bad a career not number one overall stats but good
I will say he’s not a disappointment. He got to play out his dream of playing in the nba and got paid.
Correct,at least he achieve those 2 things.
It ain't about always getting paid
Portland biggest "Second What If".
The pairing of MJ, Drexler and Sabonis (Injury Free) coming over to pair with them. That team would've been deadly and unstoppable. The best 2Shooting Guards plus a top 5-8 center at worse
Jordan wouldn't been the same player
@@theetruth8626 if he turned out to be 2/3 the player he'd be fine. But he was better then Clyde the whole 80's. Plus they both played 1-3 back then. Plus a big like Sabonios in the middle. He average 27-31 instead of 34+.
@@mikiec125 first of all Clyde Drexler didn't take as many shots as Jordan Drexler was a better all around player who had success way before Jordan Drexler didn't have no other superstar to back him like Jordan did otherwise we be talking a different story about Jordan if Drexler had Sabonis in his prime Chicago don't win those titles
@@mikiec125 Jordan wouldn't got those touches to be that type of player he was in Chicago Drexler was the captain Jordan would had to play off of Drexler I don't see that working bruh
@@theetruth8626 Clyde was drafted in 83 Mike in 84. Mike was the stronger personality. Clyde wasn't a Captain until 88. Heck, he is wasn't even starting until Portland until Jim Peterson was on the Decline3 yrs in. And didn't start scoring big until Kiki Vandewehge was on the decline and moved on from. Bro, Clyde game took off mid to late 80's. Mike came in hotter the The Glide.
Who’s to say MJ would’ve became MJ if he went to Portland?
... Oh and you look like you've been working on your game a little bit too. You kinda nice tho my G.
Man the Rockets would have beat those bulls Hakeem the dream would have had his way with Bill winington and luc Longley then the inside out kick out to the shooters would broke they back
Exactly
For a football video Carson wentz would be a great video