As a Turkish gunsmith, thank you for reviewing the Tisas Fatih 13 pistol. In addition, I was honored to see that a handle I produced was used because I was the person who produced the walnut handle attached to the Fatih 13.
Nicely done then! It's a really nice pistol too. I have been very favorably impressed with TISAS pistols, and based a competition pistol on one of your 1911s. Very happy with it!
@@tinkertalksguns7289 Thanks for your nice response. I have two 1911 too. If you need some helps from Turkey, ı am ready to help. I am manufacturing wooden grips in Turkey. My brand is " Jtac Grips." I glad to meet you.
@@doganuysal6557 Glad to meet you too. Hey, I just purchased a Tisas Zigana FC to review on the channel. There's very little information about these guns and their international sales and use. If you can provide any information that would be helpful!
The only firearm that I've shot that's as smooth as the 90 series is the CZ 70 series. I used to be one of the Beretta haters not actually having any experience with them. But my local shop had a near new 92 compact made in 2011 for a great price. I didn't like Beretta, but I knew what premiums the Beretta name brings and saw an investment opportunity. I went out back, put a few mags threw it, and fell absolutely in love. Shoots point of aim, was able to drill the same hole, never firing it before at around 12 yards. I have the modern polymer wonders with the fancy red dots, and after shooting the Beretta, I never went back. It's my first choice for carry. All the rumors that make people hate Beretta is complete B.S.
the fatih is a blueprint of the 84bb. Comparing these two firearms is like comparing the 84bb to the 84f. the 84f with its hammer drop safety is an upgraded version of the 84bb which did not feature the hammer drop de-cocker safety feature and also had the rounded trigger guard.
The NEW "Beretta 80X" Cheetah is a Game-Changer.... I think the .380 is Beginning to be Popular now with the Recent ballistic improvements in .380 ammo velocity...... Hopefully let the .380 "Caliber Wars" begin. . 😊. . Like 9mm "Sig 365" and "Springfield Hellcat" that's been going on the past few years 😊
Great video! IIRC, the early Beretta 80-series guns didn't have a decocker. That came about in the 1980's. So, the Tisas is cloning the earlier variants. Also, I have another way to manually decock pistols like that. I take a one-hand firing grip, pinch the hammer between the thumb and index finger of my support hand, trip the trigger until I feel the hammer move, release the trigger, then lower the pinched hammer until it stops. That's been the safest way I've found to manually decock a pistol. Keep up the great work!
The Fatih appears to be a copy of the 84BB. His Cheetah is an 84FS, a later version. Girsan, another Turkish manufacturer, also makes several versions of this gun based on an older 84B pattern. They also make an enclosed BDA slide and a trip up barrel version.
I’ve always loved the beretta pistols. It is my opinion the 84 is one of the most overlooked and underrated pistols on the market. I have missed out, but our local gun shop has had trade in 84’s come in by the crate occasionally for a few years. I think the first ones in 2016 or so were $250ea and the last batch was $330-350. Some have the decocker like the one you showed, but the older ones have the safety only like the Tisas. One other pistol that shouldn’t be overlooked is the Browning BDA. I enjoyed the video. I’m glad to see your input on the quality of the Tisas.
I took out the dremel immediately and carved a thumb indent to reduce the hand grip width on the thumb side. It is NOW awesome. Easier grip, easier mag release and just more comfy. GREAT gun. $299
One thing that wasnt mentioned is that the series of the beretta changes. These are engineering / design changes. My understanding is that the fatih was licensed after a model 84 b or bb. The beretta you have is an f or fs. The difference is the trigger guard and the decocking mechanism; both not oresent on early model Beretta
Thanks for the review. I have the Tisas Faith I purchased 3 years ago that works like a charm. I did install Beretta 84 wood grips on it and I simply love the look. The grips also make it feel beefier in my hands, which I like a lot. The gun is very accurate for my use. When firing it is sometimes painful to shoot due to the power transfer I feel in the palm of my hand. Overall, I like the Tisas Faith very much and would recommend it to anyone looking for a cheaper Beretta 84 alternative. Aim Surplus, in Ohio currently has the newer models on sale for $300 that I find to be a wonderful price point.
I own both the 80X and the Tisas Fatih. They are both exceptional modern guns that will last a lifetime. Advances in modern 380 ammo makes it the perfect choice for neutralizing threats.
I just bought a used Fatih, I also shot high at first, I found focusing on front sight and shooting at 6 o’clock was best for me, love this gun! I also just ordered the wood grips
Something I really like about the Beretta is that the decocker functions in reverse of many safety/decockers. You engage it by pushing past safe instead of pushing past fire. This makes for a more positive safety disengagement and makes you less likely to accidentally decock or even disable the weapon by accident by pressing down the decocker in a stressful situation.
I have been to Turkey a few times. I went once to Trabazon (probably not spelling that right) and got to walk through the Tisas facility. They have been around since the early 90s. I don't think they started importing to the US for another 10 or 15 years. Their manufacturing process is not quite what you would expect to find here in the states. Nonetheless; for substandard and out dated equipment they still manage to maintain a pretty fair quality product. I had one of their 1911s for a while and after a short break-in time (expedited a bit by a dremel tool and some buffing compound) the gun shot great and was extremely accurate.
The other sorta clone is the Taurus PT58. It was closer to the PT92/Beretta 92, than the 80 series. The main issue with them was magazine availability. I had one, but refused to pay HK prices for a $300 pistol.
If I am in the market for a good reliable .380 the Tisas sounds like reasonably priced alternative esp to the 80x. Thanks for the comparison and info. What thought is this might be was info on Beretta 80s Series in 32ACP and an alternative. I was looking at the Cheetah to be a shared ammo companion to the Seecamp. Yeah, I couldn’t find one that’s starting bid price wasn’t lower in the high $700 to mid $800 range. Instead picked up a decent Colt 1903. Maybe if a new batch of trade ins comes in I might pick one up at a reasonable price. Again thanks.
The only difference between an 81 in 32acp and an 84 in 380acp is the barrel and magazines. I have a Fatih 13 and used a modified NOS Beretta 81 barrel and converted it to 32acp. It's one of my favorite pistols to shoot in 32acp. Apparently, 81 barrels also fit in the 80X. So, buy a Fatih and then find an 81 barrel and you can swap back and forth. 81 barrels are getting hard to come by, but there are some threaded 81 barrels from AGW on Gunbroker right now. I just picked one up, but haven't taken it to the range yet, nor tried it with a can.
I'm going to take a shot on some Walnut Beretta 84 grips off eBay think they would look very nice....... I will keep you guys updated great review by the way tinker
Very Nice comparison and breakdown of the Tisas, and the Beretta 380. I bet they would make a nice one to take to the range. I'm not a fan of Turkish guns but they do seem to be making some great pistols at Tisas. The price of the Beretta's is pretty crazy unfortunately. I just recently purchased the new Ruger 15+1 Security 380 for an amazing $279.99. Its not the same gun, but it kinda shows the cost difference for the same size, same caliber. Maybe I will run across a used 80 or 84 cheap someday, I do like the older all metal guns.
A great series from Beretta, particularly in tbe 84/85 F and FS models. Truly scaled down versions of 92 big brother. Don't forget the M1934, and the 70S, which both contribute to the 80 series. The longevity of the Beretta pistols is pretty impressive. Not quite 1911 or PPK, but still...
Just bought a Fatih and the sights are no longer stacked. Blank rear and white dot front. I haven't had a chance to get to the range yet, but just handling the pistol I'm very impressed by the quality for the price. If it shoots well, which I think it will, huge bargain imo. Btw, I have a Beretta Tomcat in .32 ACP and the Fatih seemed like an interesting up-caliber companion pistol.
Love my Tisas. It and a SW Mod 36 are my EDC usually I fixed the rear sight with a swift application of black sharpie. No more annoying rear dot just the front
I think whoever in Turkey is making the Fatih is also making the Girsan MC14BDA copy of the Browning BDA 380. I have both pistols (Fatih & MC14BDA) and they much the same. Both are good shooters. The BDA version has a slightly better trigger :)
Just subscribed! Thanks for the review. Quick question though... Does the Fatih also have a magazine disconnect, or only the Beretta? That's always been a turn off for me. Thanks in advance!
Thank you for the interesting, detailed and thorough review. On two excellent carry/bedside handguns. Have wanted one since the 80's. At that time people were often getting slide bite's from the .380 BERETTA at the indoor range. Small and snappy. Thirteen rounds is not something to sneeze at. Stay safe, Cheers
The new updated version of the fatih has removable sights, wood grips from the factory and a grip shape that’s closer to the 84 than the original fatih was
Just got a tisas fatih 13 awesome pistol and coming from a diehard Beretta guy. My EDC is Beretta 92x RDO compact. I would like to purchase a replacement grips for the a tisas. 380 but good luck I've looked all night and haven't found squat. I would appreciate any help in this matter.
Looks like a nice less expensive Beretta alternative and Tisas reviews lately have been pretty good. Millions of shooters use 1911 and 1911 type guns and those don't have a dangerous safety reputation. Also without a hammer drop safety you can always drop the mag and retract the slide to unload rather than decock
It's only really an issue because of the DA/SA mechanism; most people carry guns like this hammer-down on a loaded chamber, which means dropping the hammer to the safety notch. I actually think this concern is overblown; if one is mindful, and one should always be when handling a firearm, then it shouldn't be an issue.
@@tinkertalksguns7289 Agreed. More of a potential problem for a novice. I've got a model 81 Beretta BB that's very similar in that it is DA/SA but no decocker. It's a real pleasure to shoot as 32 ACP in a gun this size makes it feel nearly like a 22LR
I'm going through Tinker's back-catalog having only recently come on board. Doesn't everybody do this? 😁 Tisas are on top of the game now and I hear very few negatives about their work, especially considering the price. Anyway on the vertical stringing, a Veteran friend (RIP) who carried a 25 Browning till he got a Colt Mustang told me that what matters is to always keep your shots within a 3" to 4" line corresponding to the center mass and then all hits to the chest area become vital organ hits where a small caliber can be effective. It makes sense to me though I do try for vertical accuracy too.
Bersa Thunder series next. I'd like to hear your input on the Thunder Plus in particular, and possibly the CC version if you ever tinker with that small a form factor.
Si cargo la 380 Tisas, bajo el martillo como se hace con los revolver para doble acción. Coloco el seguro, puedo portar con la seguridad de no tener disparo accidental??? Gracias, Saludos desde Panamá.
Morning Tink, I enjoyed this review. I had occasion to purchase a Beretta 81 32ACP Italian Police buy back. I think it was around $280. I like the gun but found the plastic double stack grip, some too thick for my hand. I did change out the grip scales for some aftermarket thinner ons. I then happen to trade the 81 for a Zastava m57 7.62x25 Tokarev pistol even steven. Neither have nor had my intention to CCW, just fun range guns. The Beretta is great little shooter, but I like the Tok for the intended purpose far better. Perhaps you can do a video on one 🙂 a side benefit is, I can reload the Tok brass down for my C96 Bolo.
I've never heard anyone call the "Fatih" the "Faith," nor have I seen any dealer sell one as the "Faith." I see "Fatih" every single time, and I want one. Here in late May, I still have not seen the newer Fatih version with the wood grips. I want one, and I'll wait. Wahi' Valleys
@@BaddFrogg777 The Tisas is the same size as the 84BB but larger than the original 84. I had not issues with quality. BUT........The Tisas had a harsher recoil. No idea why. The thing was a BITCH to rack
And now Girsan has the MC14 T... tip up barrel 380 cheetah with pic rail. Idk, I've heard its Beretta 86 clone but idk the differences between the 81 84 86 or an othe 80 variant or the B or BB or the F versions. Curious about holster options too
I found an old set of Pachmayr Signatures for a Beretta 84 for my Fatih. They slid on with some minor aggravation, only a little issue with fitment up under the beavertail where the rear strap piece fits in. Standard Beretta panels should go on with ease.
@@jasonashley4579 I ride mine in a 1791 Gunleather OWB holster that I use for my CZ 75 Compact. Says it also fits Ruger somethings and Sig P220/226, so those might be good ones to look for.
@@BaddFrogg777 ehhh... roundabout there? It was a long double action trigger pull but light and smooth, single action very crisp. I shot it a couple times and traded it for an Ithaca M49 single shot .22 rifle.
I have a habit of doctoring my non night sights, by blacking out the rear and painting the front. So I could likely fix the sight issue. I personally think the Beretta kitty pistols are beautiful. But the 92 looks ugly to me. Guess the style doesn’t scale up for my eye. Also I think folks might take a different view of 380 if they shot it from a Cheetah size and weight pistol. The ease with which one can poke many 9mm holes in a bad actor is pretty reassuring.
The new 2024 Tisas Fatih 13 has some interesting improvements over the original Fatih. Firstly, it's an even more faithful clone of the Cheetah 84 with very similar contours in the frame, the trigger guard, and the frontstrap. Overall, its a far more graceful looking pistol than the Gen1 Fatih 13. Bellezza italiana. Secondly, the new model uses dovetailed front and rear sights that are compatible with Beretta 92 aftermarket sights. The rear sight is textured without white dots or lines. That should please Tinker's tastes, I think. The safety functions as before: Cocked and locked SA, or hammer down DA. No decocker. As a loyal unto death CZ-75b fan, I have no qualms about manually lowering hammers.
With ambidextrous safety levers, I don't see a need for manually decocking a Tisas. I'd still prefer the Beretta, but locked and cocked is safer than thumb lowering the hammer.
FYI, the Tiffany reference in the title didn't slip past all of us. Your street cred took a hit. Of course, recognizing the reference means mine did as well... fek.
I usually see the entire 81-84 series referred to as 'Cheetahs' and I spend several minutes talking about the model 84. I have a Model 81 now, which has it's own video.
Fatih is Arabic. It's origin is the Qur'an. The 48th Sura is named al-Fath, which means victory or conquest. The Fatah Party (PLO) also derived its name from this Sura.
As a Turkish gunsmith, thank you for reviewing the Tisas Fatih 13 pistol. In addition, I was honored to see that a handle I produced was used because I was the person who produced the walnut handle attached to the Fatih 13.
Nicely done then! It's a really nice pistol too. I have been very favorably impressed with TISAS pistols, and based a competition pistol on one of your 1911s. Very happy with it!
@@tinkertalksguns7289 Thanks for your nice response. I have two 1911 too. If you need some helps from Turkey, ı am ready to help. I am manufacturing wooden grips in Turkey. My brand is " Jtac Grips." I glad to meet you.
@@doganuysal6557 Glad to meet you too. Hey, I just purchased a Tisas Zigana FC to review on the channel. There's very little information about these guns and their international sales and use. If you can provide any information that would be helpful!
The only firearm that I've shot that's as smooth as the 90 series is the CZ 70 series. I used to be one of the Beretta haters not actually having any experience with them. But my local shop had a near new 92 compact made in 2011 for a great price. I didn't like Beretta, but I knew what premiums the Beretta name brings and saw an investment opportunity. I went out back, put a few mags threw it, and fell absolutely in love. Shoots point of aim, was able to drill the same hole, never firing it before at around 12 yards. I have the modern polymer wonders with the fancy red dots, and after shooting the Beretta, I never went back. It's my first choice for carry. All the rumors that make people hate Beretta is complete B.S.
I like the cheetah and glad to see them make this with the double stack 13rd magazine.
the fatih is a blueprint of the 84bb. Comparing these two firearms is like comparing the 84bb to the 84f. the 84f with its hammer drop safety is an upgraded version of the 84bb which did not feature the hammer drop de-cocker safety feature and also had the rounded trigger guard.
The NEW "Beretta 80X" Cheetah is a Game-Changer.... I think the .380 is Beginning to be Popular now with the Recent ballistic improvements in .380 ammo velocity...... Hopefully let the .380 "Caliber Wars" begin. . 😊. . Like 9mm "Sig 365" and "Springfield Hellcat" that's been going on the past few years 😊
Great video! IIRC, the early Beretta 80-series guns didn't have a decocker. That came about in the 1980's. So, the Tisas is cloning the earlier variants.
Also, I have another way to manually decock pistols like that. I take a one-hand firing grip, pinch the hammer between the thumb and index finger of my support hand, trip the trigger until I feel the hammer move, release the trigger, then lower the pinched hammer until it stops. That's been the safest way I've found to manually decock a pistol.
Keep up the great work!
The Fatih appears to be a copy of the 84BB. His Cheetah is an 84FS, a later version.
Girsan, another Turkish manufacturer, also makes several versions of this gun based on an older 84B pattern. They also make an enclosed BDA slide and a trip up barrel version.
I’ve always loved the beretta pistols. It is my opinion the 84 is one of the most overlooked and underrated pistols on the market. I have missed out, but our local gun shop has had trade in 84’s come in by the crate occasionally for a few years. I think the first ones in 2016 or so were $250ea and the last batch was $330-350. Some have the decocker like the one you showed, but the older ones have the safety only like the Tisas. One other pistol that shouldn’t be overlooked is the Browning BDA.
I enjoyed the video. I’m glad to see your input on the quality of the Tisas.
My first wife had a Browning BDA. Fine little pistol!
I have long wanted an 84 but never have been able to afford one. I just discovery the Tisas. I am going to get one this week if my finances allow.
My 81 in 32. It’s a beautiful pistol.
Liked and owned the single action 70 series Berettas
I took out the dremel immediately and carved a thumb indent to reduce the hand grip width on the thumb side. It is NOW awesome. Easier grip, easier mag release and just more comfy. GREAT gun. $299
One thing that wasnt mentioned is that the series of the beretta changes. These are engineering / design changes. My understanding is that the fatih was licensed after a model 84 b or bb. The beretta you have is an f or fs. The difference is the trigger guard and the decocking mechanism; both not oresent on early model Beretta
Thanks for the information!
Thanks for the review. I have the Tisas Faith I purchased 3 years ago that works like a charm. I did install Beretta 84 wood grips on it and I simply love the look. The grips also make it feel beefier in my hands, which I like a lot. The gun is very accurate for my use. When firing it is sometimes painful to shoot due to the power transfer I feel in the palm of my hand. Overall, I like the Tisas Faith very much and would recommend it to anyone looking for a cheaper Beretta 84 alternative. Aim Surplus, in Ohio currently has the newer models on sale for $300 that I find to be a wonderful price point.
Just a note: Aim Surplus sold out of the above referenced Tisas Fatih @ $299.ea last night.
I own both the 80X and the Tisas Fatih. They are both exceptional modern guns that will last a lifetime. Advances in modern 380 ammo makes it the perfect choice for neutralizing threats.
I have a nice M84 engraved and gold inlaid. Girson just came out with clones of the M84 and the BDA.
I agree about the sights. But wearing a stupid grin when shooting these kinda squints my eyes and somehow the sights improve. Thanks Tinker.
I just bought a used Fatih, I also shot high at first, I found focusing on front sight and shooting at 6 o’clock was best for me, love this gun! I also just ordered the wood grips
Try blacking out the rear dot.
Just pick one of these up used local gun store in the factory case looks like never fire $300 out the door
Sweet! Nice score!
Just found out about the Tisas, looks like a great pistol.
Something I really like about the Beretta is that the decocker functions in reverse of many safety/decockers. You engage it by pushing past safe instead of pushing past fire. This makes for a more positive safety disengagement and makes you less likely to accidentally decock or even disable the weapon by accident by pressing down the decocker in a stressful situation.
I have been to Turkey a few times. I went once to Trabazon (probably not spelling that right) and got to walk through the Tisas facility. They have been around since the early 90s. I don't think they started importing to the US for another 10 or 15 years. Their manufacturing process is not quite what you would expect to find here in the states. Nonetheless; for substandard and out dated equipment they still manage to maintain a pretty fair quality product. I had one of their 1911s for a while and after a short break-in time (expedited a bit by a dremel tool and some buffing compound) the gun shot great and was extremely accurate.
Thanks for the info!!
Nice look for a clone ish mid size thanks much. Peace
Thank you for the review, this is what I was looking for!
My pleasure!
The other sorta clone is the Taurus PT58. It was closer to the PT92/Beretta 92, than the 80 series. The main issue with them was magazine availability. I had one, but refused to pay HK prices for a $300 pistol.
Great Video, as always. And Fatih means conqueror in Turkish.
Thanks Christopher!
If I am in the market for a good reliable .380 the Tisas sounds like reasonably priced alternative esp to the 80x. Thanks for the comparison and info.
What thought is this might be was info on Beretta 80s Series in 32ACP and an alternative. I was looking at the Cheetah to be a shared ammo companion to the Seecamp. Yeah, I couldn’t find one that’s starting bid price wasn’t lower in the high $700 to mid $800 range. Instead picked up a decent Colt 1903. Maybe if a new batch of trade ins comes in I might pick one up at a reasonable price. Again thanks.
I want a .32 Cheetah too, but I didn't have the ready cash when prices were low. *Sigh* Someday...
The only difference between an 81 in 32acp and an 84 in 380acp is the barrel and magazines. I have a Fatih 13 and used a modified NOS Beretta 81 barrel and converted it to 32acp. It's one of my favorite pistols to shoot in 32acp. Apparently, 81 barrels also fit in the 80X. So, buy a Fatih and then find an 81 barrel and you can swap back and forth. 81 barrels are getting hard to come by, but there are some threaded 81 barrels from AGW on Gunbroker right now. I just picked one up, but haven't taken it to the range yet, nor tried it with a can.
I'm going to take a shot on some Walnut Beretta 84 grips off eBay think they would look very nice....... I will keep you guys updated great review by the way tinker
Very Nice comparison and breakdown of the Tisas, and the Beretta 380. I bet they would make a nice one to take to the range. I'm not a fan of Turkish guns but they do seem to be making some great pistols at Tisas. The price of the Beretta's is pretty crazy unfortunately. I just recently purchased the new Ruger 15+1 Security 380 for an amazing $279.99. Its not the same gun, but it kinda shows the cost difference for the same size, same caliber. Maybe I will run across a used 80 or 84 cheap someday, I do like the older all metal guns.
I like it. I carried a m9 when i was in the army and it served me very well. So i have a soft spot for beretta or there clones
I support you👍
Interestingly I have an Italian forestry corp Beretta 81 BB that doesn't have a magazine safety.
A great series from Beretta, particularly in tbe 84/85 F and FS models. Truly scaled down versions of 92 big brother. Don't forget the M1934, and the 70S, which both contribute to the 80 series. The longevity of the Beretta pistols is pretty impressive. Not quite 1911 or PPK, but still...
Just bought a Fatih and the sights are no longer stacked. Blank rear and white dot front. I haven't had a chance to get to the range yet, but just handling the pistol I'm very impressed by the quality for the price. If it shoots well, which I think it will, huge bargain imo. Btw, I have a Beretta Tomcat in .32 ACP and the Fatih seemed like an interesting up-caliber companion pistol.
Do the grips for the two pistols interchange? The one thing I don't like about the tisas pistol is the black plastic grips.
I think so but I am not certain.
I've we heard no but I don't have any first hand knowledge.
Love my Tisas. It and a SW Mod 36 are my EDC usually
I fixed the rear sight with a swift application of black sharpie. No more annoying rear dot just the front
I would do the same if I owned one. 🙂
I think whoever in Turkey is making the Fatih is also making the Girsan MC14BDA copy of the Browning BDA 380. I have both pistols (Fatih & MC14BDA) and they much the same. Both are good shooters. The BDA version has a slightly better trigger :)
Just subscribed! Thanks for the review. Quick question though... Does the Fatih also have a magazine disconnect, or only the Beretta? That's always been a turn off for me. Thanks in advance!
Welcome! No, the Fatih I shot did not have a magazine disconnect.
Thank you for the interesting, detailed and thorough review. On two excellent carry/bedside handguns. Have wanted one since the 80's. At that time people were often getting slide bite's from the .380 BERETTA at the indoor range. Small and snappy. Thirteen rounds is not something to sneeze at. Stay safe, Cheers
The new updated version of the fatih has removable sights, wood grips from the factory and a grip shape that’s closer to the 84 than the original fatih was
Another great video. Thanks!
Just got a tisas fatih 13 awesome pistol and coming from a diehard Beretta guy. My EDC is Beretta 92x RDO compact. I would like to purchase a replacement grips for the a tisas. 380 but good luck I've looked all night and haven't found squat. I would appreciate any help in this matter.
@doganuysal6557 is in Turkey and makes grips for Tisas. Perhaps he can help?
Looks like a nice less expensive Beretta alternative and Tisas reviews lately have been pretty good. Millions of shooters use 1911 and 1911 type guns and those don't have a dangerous safety reputation. Also without a hammer drop safety you can always drop the mag and retract the slide to unload rather than decock
It's only really an issue because of the DA/SA mechanism; most people carry guns like this hammer-down on a loaded chamber, which means dropping the hammer to the safety notch. I actually think this concern is overblown; if one is mindful, and one should always be when handling a firearm, then it shouldn't be an issue.
@@tinkertalksguns7289 Agreed. More of a potential problem for a novice. I've got a model 81 Beretta BB that's very similar in that it is DA/SA but no decocker. It's a real pleasure to shoot as 32 ACP in a gun this size makes it feel nearly like a 22LR
I'm going through Tinker's back-catalog having only recently come on board. Doesn't everybody do this? 😁 Tisas are on top of the game now and I hear very few negatives about their work, especially considering the price.
Anyway on the vertical stringing, a Veteran friend (RIP) who carried a 25 Browning till he got a Colt Mustang told me that what matters is to always keep your shots within a 3" to 4" line corresponding to the center mass and then all hits to the chest area become vital organ hits where a small caliber can be effective. It makes sense to me though I do try for vertical accuracy too.
Thanks sir very helpful I want one the original is the one but if it’s not available clown is the one to get for the money of course! 👍
On their homepage (not the US hp) you can see the new version. This now looks almost the same like the Cheetah.
Bersa Thunder series next. I'd like to hear your input on the Thunder Plus in particular, and possibly the CC version if you ever tinker with that small a form factor.
If I get the chance. I know a few folks that carry Bersas and swear by them.
Si cargo la 380 Tisas, bajo el martillo como se hace con los revolver para doble acción.
Coloco el seguro, puedo portar con la seguridad de no tener disparo accidental???
Gracias, Saludos desde Panamá.
Great video and great guns one question sir where did you get those wood grips for the Tisas fatih ?
The owner of the gun purchased them off of eBay. I believe they are still available.
Morning Tink, I enjoyed this review. I had occasion to purchase a Beretta 81 32ACP Italian Police buy back. I think it was around $280.
I like the gun but found the plastic double stack grip, some too thick for my hand. I did change out the grip scales for some aftermarket thinner ons.
I then happen to trade the 81 for a Zastava m57 7.62x25 Tokarev pistol even steven.
Neither have nor had my intention to CCW, just fun range guns.
The Beretta is great little shooter, but I like the Tok for the intended purpose far better.
Perhaps you can do a video on one 🙂 a side benefit is, I can reload the Tok brass down for my C96 Bolo.
I've never heard anyone call the "Fatih" the "Faith," nor have I seen any dealer sell one as the "Faith." I see "Fatih" every single time, and I want one. Here in late May, I still have not seen the newer Fatih version with the wood grips. I want one, and I'll wait. Wahi' Valleys
There doesnt seem to be anyone around
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I love this range. Very nice ppl that work there I had the Tisas but sold it. I have both the 84f and a couple of 81s.. Like the Berettas better
The BERETTA is thinner and more compact. You pay for the quality and engineering.
@@BaddFrogg777 The Tisas is the same size as the 84BB but larger than the original 84. I had not issues with quality. BUT........The Tisas had a harsher recoil. No idea why. The thing was a BITCH to rack
Indian head penny grips by Tombstone Gun Grips perhaps?
And now Girsan has the MC14 T... tip up barrel 380 cheetah with pic rail. Idk, I've heard its Beretta 86 clone but idk the differences between the 81 84 86 or an othe 80 variant or the B or BB or the F versions. Curious about holster options too
Would Beretta grips fit on Tisas . ? . ?
I don't know. They look like they would, but since the owner has these guns back I can't say. I'll ask him though.
I put some LOK grips on my Fatih 13, they improved the feel of the gun big time, just wish I could find a decent leather IWB holster for it.
I found an old set of Pachmayr Signatures for a Beretta 84 for my Fatih. They slid on with some minor aggravation, only a little issue with fitment up under the beavertail where the rear strap piece fits in. Standard Beretta panels should go on with ease.
@@jasonashley4579 I ride mine in a 1791 Gunleather OWB holster that I use for my CZ 75 Compact. Says it also fits Ruger somethings and Sig P220/226, so those might be good ones to look for.
@@jasonashley4579 Try a Remora holster.
Got one of these a few weeks back. The Fatty is a nice little piece, excellent trigger.
What is the trigger pull? More or less? A guesstimate. In lbs...6 lb. trigger pull or greater?
@@BaddFrogg777 ehhh... roundabout there? It was a long double action trigger pull but light and smooth, single action very crisp. I shot it a couple times and traded it for an Ithaca M49 single shot .22 rifle.
Actually your pronunciation is perfect. Fatih means conqueror in Turkish that atributed to conqueror of Constantinople Mehmed II.
Thanks Tahir, good to know! I appreciate you taking the time.
Fatih means ” The Conquerer ” in turkish and nothing else.
Love the Fatih but no decockee? I'll pass & hope they'll modify it w/decocker before too long.
very nice
I have a habit of doctoring my non night sights, by blacking out the rear and painting the front. So I could likely fix the sight issue. I personally think the Beretta kitty pistols are beautiful. But the 92 looks ugly to me. Guess the style doesn’t scale up for my eye. Also I think folks might take a different view of 380 if they shot it from a Cheetah size and weight pistol. The ease with which one can poke many 9mm holes in a bad actor is pretty reassuring.
Are the magazines interchangeable?
Yes
Fatih is more of a Beretta 84BB clone than a Cheetah clone.
The new 2024 Tisas Fatih 13 has some interesting improvements over the original Fatih. Firstly, it's an even more faithful clone of the Cheetah 84 with very similar contours in the frame, the trigger guard, and the frontstrap. Overall, its a far more graceful looking pistol than the Gen1 Fatih 13. Bellezza italiana. Secondly, the new model uses dovetailed front and rear sights that are compatible with Beretta 92 aftermarket sights. The rear sight is textured without white dots or lines. That should please Tinker's tastes, I think. The safety functions as before: Cocked and locked SA, or hammer down DA. No decocker. As a loyal unto death CZ-75b fan, I have no qualms about manually lowering hammers.
Oooh! I may need to have another look at these.
Great video but I thought you might sing to us a little bit. In other words, loved the title 😉
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Tisas 84 clone has no mag disconnect. Much better.
Agreed.
With ambidextrous safety levers, I don't see a need for manually decocking a Tisas. I'd still prefer the Beretta, but locked and cocked is safer than thumb lowering the hammer.
Fatih = Conqueror
Thank you!
It's Arabic not turkish by the way
The Fatih needs a decocker or a tip up barrel
Today’s overly safety conscious market won’t settle for less
There is a tip up barrel version being imported by EAA and should be sold soon. I think it is mc14 T.
@@pewpew3266 And with a longer barrel. 4.3'
FYI, the Tiffany reference in the title didn't slip past all of us. Your street cred took a hit. Of course, recognizing the reference means mine did as well... fek.
🤪It's worse than you know... it was actually a Weird Al Yankovich reference.
Nothing on the video about the Cheetah????
I usually see the entire 81-84 series referred to as 'Cheetahs' and I spend several minutes talking about the model 84. I have a Model 81 now, which has it's own video.
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Price
MSRP is $400
bro.... you sound just like Marcus from Fallout....
Fatih is Arabic. It's origin is the Qur'an. The 48th Sura is named al-Fath, which means victory or conquest. The Fatah Party (PLO) also derived its name from this Sura.
Thanks for the information!
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