Thank you all very much for the suggestion on having an oil playoff series! Here's the list of oil brands in the playoffs. Thanks again and best regards, Todd Pennzoil Ultra Platinum: amzn.to/34pgEll Mobil 1 Annual Protection: amzn.to/31m3bcq Lucas: amzn.to/3iYkvdg Kendall: amzn.to/3hfPa5r Liqui Moly: amzn.to/31l8eJY Amazon Basics: amzn.to/32ef4jL Quaker State: amzn.to/2EgE7uv Amsoil: amzn.to/3aNZYoV Castrol: amzn.to/3jhgYan Red Line: amzn.to/34kkV9T Royal Purple: amzn.to/31l9ehc Schaeffer's Supreme 9000: amzn.to/3goLaOK Valvoline: amzn.to/2YrJGgq Motul 8100: amzn.to/3l9AfMw WalMart: www.walmart.com/ip/Super-Tech-High-Mileage-SAE-5W-30-Motor-Oil-5-Quarts/17134875
I have loved watching all your tests. Seems like a strange thing to say now that I have typed it haha. I recently had a new engine built for my race car with forged internals. The machine shop who built my engine requires me to use Motul engine oil. I have always used amsoil. I was really hoping you could do a test with all the oils generally used for racing. Amsoil Signature, Liqui Molly, Motul, Royal Purple and then maybe verus Amazon basics full synthetic.
The 4200 is rated for Dexos2 (dexos blue) and other Low Sap standards which prioritize Catalytic Health over all other metrics. It's a really strict standard that the AmznBasic Dexos1 doesn't meet. @projectFarm I applaud your work.. This is like comparing a honeycrisp apple to a royal gala apple.
A good idea for another oil test would be to use the lubricity tester on the oil again after it has been cooked to see if it still provides enough protection after being exposed to high temperatures
I'm curious about running oil in an engine for 2 hours, then running it through the lubricity tester. I wonder what other factors the moving engine has on the oil than just "cooking" it?
When is the public going to realize we already got renewable motor oil, anyhow? Green Earth Technologies: Beef Tallow Based Motor Oil. Renewable Lubricants Incorportaed: Veggie Oil Based Motor Oil, ATF, Grease, Penetrating Oils.
@@TheLittlered1961 John, you and Jack ought to go in together and start a company and then get the Commander to run a test on it and yall would be world famous! That DID sound good.
That won't necessarily be true. Different oils have different breakdown and break in points. There is wide range of disparity between new viscosity and after 800 miles of use. Shoutout to blackstone labs. There used to be a great forum that posted great analysis, unfortunately they were bought out by an oil company (go figure) Essentially he could run both oils in the same engine for several durations of 1-2 hours, then test the difference.
@@AntmanWolves ya I guess he did spill a little liquid moly around the 0:50 second mark and then again around the 7:50 mark. I totally didn't notice the first time, if it was me pouring that stuff the test tube would be a mess!
I really enjoy watching your videos. But the testing methods in this one left me with some questions. How can you compare Oils without testing their lubrication at an actual engine temperatures? Maintaining lubrication at hight temp for an extended period of time is the MOST critical property of any engine oil. It's what makes an engine oil an engine oil. Cold start viscosity is all fine and dandy, but according to the tests in your video, you might as well use sunflower seed oil.
I discovered Liqui-Moly when being stationed in Germany, I tried it in my Volvo 850R out of curiosity and my god it runs smoother than the Castrol I used to use. Better fuel mileage too.
I actually just serviced my car with liquimoly for the first time, wasn't this top tec one it was the same but a more expensive new version, either way the engine runs smooth as hell and I've gotten way more mpg than I was used to, so there must be more to it than these tests
@@ggcpf2874 Numbers anyone? Never mind, numbers don't matter when such a figure is so variable based on driving habits. Smoother is too subject to human psychology.
Put Amazon Oil in the car and expose to unburned gasoline, moisture and other byproducts, send it to the Lab and see how well it protects engine. Then claim it's quality Oil, based on real engine operation and real lab results.
I know I'm tempted to switch but I've used Castrol gtx for years and my engine seems to like it but the price for the Amazon is unbeatable then again I can usually get a 5qt jug of Castrol at my local Kmart for 14 bucks
Amazon doesn't produce oil. They either buy the blend or make the blend. There are only 3 oil supplement manufacturers in the world. All engine oil producers buy additives from these 3 companies :)
I agree. The only 0w-40 oils which meet FCA 'standards' which also works in my 6.4 Hemi is Pennzoil Ultra Platinum, Mopar (relabeled Ultra) Synthetic, and Amsoil. Stupid warranties and certifications.
Yeah doesn't say anything about the effects of the oil on modern diesel engine exhaust systems. Liqui molly only one of the few oils to be rated 507, and allowed by VW for use on TDI motors. Doesn't ruin the DPF and exhaust system
@@finharms9439 What rock have you been living under? Times have changed. Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30 is truly top 5 or top 10 oil of the world. Shell is the parent company - same as Quaker State. Both are superior to Mobil 1 in terms of real world burn off in the summer and have less change in viscosity. Plus both provide more power and less noise at first fill and after 3500 miles. Used all in my 1991 160,000mi CRX, 2003 187,000mi Xterra, and 2003 91,000mi G35 (Mobil 1 junk never touched that car). My 1999 162,000 Camry 4cyl has QS full synthetic - I used to drive 6 hours 3 days a week. 100% confident Pennzoil and QS best A LOT of oils on the world market. I am loving Amazon/SuperTech/WARREN right now. What a great US company!! Amsoil and Motul are excellent oil beasts too.
Violeta Arreola the reason i think as pennzoil as crap is because they are affiliated with quaker state, if you remember back in the day it used to sludge up fairly quickly, i have always been a firm believer in Castrol GTX and Lucas, however if you are correct which im not saying you are or aren’t but this is why id like to see the tests in an unbiased environment, like i said it may change my mind
A lot of us are still waiting for The Super Tech vs Amazon Basics test! I know it’s coming eventually, I’m just very much looking forward to it. Thank you for doing these!
The fact that the person that reached out to PF didn't come out and say they were different "which wouldn't give any secrets away" kinda tells us that they are the same just different package. Happens a lot with all the stuff we buy.
MPG vs traction would be a great data point. I got a little surprise when I saw my MPG drop 5% when I put Continentals on my f150. But the traction is worth it IMHO, especially with the lighter aluminum body.
SiGHT SMaSH - either that’s a joke or it’s really because amazon sponsored their oil needs. Doesn’t mean it’s any better then any other brand with the same freakin API certification. Lol. Never look at the sponsored logos as an indicator that they are using THE BEST. They are using what’s cheapest / FREE. Those engines get rebuilt after every race anyway, so who gives a hoot what oil they use for ONE RACE duration. Lol
The only issue with this methodology is it really just focuses on viscosity and the differences you show could all be still well within spec.The additive packages have a significant impact on real-world performance and should be taken into account in these shoot outs (I've seen you do the VOA and UOA on other videos). That said, overall I really enjoy your videos/tests and methodologies! Great stuff!
The bearing test is definitive, I've seen massive sludging with liquimoly. I recomend mobile1 full synthetic for my customers, costs less, performs better. I offer Shaeffers products as a upgrade
Project farm I know you have been busy with new videos, but I know many of us car people would be further interested in more gear oil tests, such as an ATF or Power steering fluid. These comparisons with cost effective alternatives are great too. Love the content! -new sub
This is a common oil for motorcyclists as well, I've put it in my project bikes and many swear by it. Apparently it has the right certifications to be used with a wet clutch.
Yes, this was an extremely popular choice among Subaru enthusiasts, but be aware they recently changed the formula and it is not the same anymore, now I run Total Quartz 9000 based on recommendation from engine builder.
Please test Castrol Edge 5w-30 oil as it is suggested oil for VAG cars (Audi, VW, Seat, Škoda and so on). P.S. Your channel is the best on youtube. It really gives the best content for an engineer minded people :)
Car oil vs motorcycle specific oil!!!! These videos got me thinking "should I just use amazon basics 20w-50 in my bike?" These videos got me thinking if there really is any difference between say V-Twin 20w-50 and amazon basic car 20W-50. Can you please test this?!?! everyone thumbs this up.
@@Technie87 I understand that. But I also have my reservations that it actually will. I honestly think you wouldn't even notice. Obviously, it's not worth the risk but it is worth testing.
@@abarrick09 Well the difference is there because its a real thing. There is a motorcycle specific oil because there are cases of clutches slipping because of the use of conventional oil in a wet clutch style system. Do a quick search of "should I use car oil in a motorcycle" and you'll find out. Now , if you want to test the lubricity ability of that of a motorcycle oil compared to a car brand then thats a different question
@@ProjectFarm great video im using Liqui Moly on my turbo ej25 engine for over 100k/km wish u could do test on oils in pressurized environment, ps i think most oils are good as long u change them on time...
Great job, Todd! I would like to see these videos labeled Oil Playoffs Round 1, Round 2, etc. That will make it easier to watch the tests in order from beginning to end. I don’t think many of your viewers would just skip to the end because your videos are much more entertaining and informative than anything on TV! I appreciate all of your hard work and concerted efforts to keep all of the comparisons on a level playing field. Bravo!
Long time follower, first comment (i think) Thanks so much for your informative, educational and entertaining videos. Like another follower said it before: The Oil Wars, loving every second of it. My OCD is making me suggest to you whenever you talk about oil grades, the W means winter, not weight, please. Sorry, I had to say it.
@@ProjectFarm I can't thank you enough for taking the time to read and to reply to all of our comments and suggestions. I bet farm work and making videos take like 25hrs out of your day, thanks. As a bmw car owner for 10+ yrs, engine oil is one of those highly contested topics.
Just added Amazon to my truck, hoping for the best! Have you placed Amazon against super tech yet? Would be interesting since they're both made by Warren!
Difficult to keep the oil at that temperature while measuring viscosity. But you could do a falling steel ball test on it in an insulated tube, with two wire contacts at the bottom to indicate the ball finishing its travel.
i don't understand why this was asked if he brings them up to 482 degrees? i was a lower bay tech at a shop for 2 years and oil was never that hot, i could touch it for about 2-3 seconds before it started burning, now 482 degrees is something i won't fuck around with.
@@Omar-em7rl at least whatever engine he uses will be flushed really well but the carbon and used oil factor will play heavily in the first run of tests unless he uses a brand new small engine. Then there's a good chance of metal contamination during break in period.
I’m from Germany, Liqui moly Is the last oil i‘ll put in my Engines. Already saw some worn Engines powered by LM... I Hope you will also Test: CASTROL MOTUL AND (my absolut favourite) MOTUL 300V COMPETITION 15W-50 ESTER CORE Racing oil. That would be absolut Great. 😃 Love These Tests. 👍
cant agree more, We also put our trust in liqui moly and 4 of our premium fleet cars got severely damaged due to excessive deposits on cylinder liners, piston rings and almost all squirters were blocked. I think the deposit shield and the high zinc requirement is not met at all by LM. Even the oil pump lift mesh was 90% choked
Cannot be executed properly as an experiment or test that follows scientific methods. Think about it. How is he going to reasonably maintain the cold or hot temps of the oil under test? Bring everthing into a walk in freezer? Bring everthing into a grocery store's upright Hobart bakery rack oven. Um. No. What WOULD be good is to test the lubricity AFTER the heat cycle or possibly even after the heat cycle and the re-freeze. This way the normal order of testing can remain and the lubricity test would be an extremely interesting addition at the end. Yes.
Violeta Arreola when I start my car engine in the morning, the oil is cold until the engine warms up. Same concept to me. Either way, be nice to see how it performs with cold and hot oil.
I have an idea. Find a small weight thats heavy enough to drop to the bottom when the oil is not frozen. Freeze the oil, place that weight on the top and then heat it up. Record the time it takes the weight to drop to the bottom. I think this will be good indication of how fast the oil will circulate through moving parts while heating up. IDK, just a suggestion.
Molybdenum can cause problems in an internal combustion engine. For break in (camshafts) it is OK. But continuous use can harm the engine as molybdenum does not tolerate engine temperatures.
@@madmagyver9981 Just curious. If it's harmful, why does Honda put this in all of their new vehicles? It says it specifically in my owner's manual, to NOT drain out the first oil change until the oil change indicator says to, due to the Molybdenum that Honda adds.
@@garrettstevensen2467 Did you see the part about it being good for break in and that continuous use isn't a good thing? You want to cause a little wear on break in so that all the tolerances line up naturally (by very gently wearing down high spots in the metal)
You have already done an incredible amount of work for these tests. Next step.... would be a wear test after cooking the oil. I think that would be more relevant than doing the test with brand new oils. Nevertheless, thank you very much for the hard work!
Good content as usual! I saw an oil analysis and LiquiMoly contains exactly 0 moly. You should consider adding Quaker State Ultimate Durability to the tournament.
@@ProjectFarm Been dying to see a Motul comparison. A variety would be great to see as they have seriously different price points but it's considered a premium product. Unscientific test in my motorcycles says Motul beats out Mobile 1.
@@ProjectFarm I would also consider the 300V "race" oil vs the Motul 8100 series 5W30 before comparing it to Amazon Basics or the like. Thank you for testing LiquiMoly, now onto the French Motul? Keep up the great work!
PF, Computer glitch comment never got posted ! was still spinning when I opened up the computer today fantastic ! Let’s try this again ! Amazon basics comes out again on top . Always excellent editing, great video quality, keep them coming ! Hope all is well with the kids and wife should be warming up outside? 72 F tomorrow my daughters are turning 2-4 tomorrow is their party at the firehouse. General repair
General Repair, Thank you very much! We're going to have a cold, wet weekend here unfortunately. 2 and 4 are great ages and the party at the firehouse sounds like great times! They grow up too fast! Thanks again for the positive feedback and hope you enjoy the weekend!
@@peterwelsh6975 ya but it would still be cool to see how well it works just because it's what he do! In all seriousness I'm very interested. A real world application might be where an engine wasn't so well maintained or has unknown maintenance and you the consumer are trying motor flush to see if it helps out. I actually used motor flush religiously in my 97 nissan altima for years and it didn't hurt anything mechanical anyways. In the end my rear main oil seal started leaking badly and the car wasn't worth much so I junked it. I actually read years later that the motor flush might have caused the oil leak by removing the crud that kept the seal from leaking.
Sonuvishwanath 9945312235 It’s certainly not. Regular oil changes will ensure your engine stays clean. I rebuild motors and see it all the time. Just recently rebuilt my 600 hp Toyota motor after 5,000 miles and it looked as clean as the day I first built it, and that’s with low detergent oil
As a chemist for a major oil refiner, you realize your tests have no validity with regards to oil quality. Oil chemistry is designed for conditions such as extreme pressure, shear strength and adhesion. Oil which flows faster down a channel is in fact not what you want to happen. Viewers should not be mislead by unorthodox testing methods.
So the amount of time is takes oil to reach all areas inside the engine that need lubrication is not valid? If that is so, all engines would run of the same viscosity oil? You want those cold dry start ups to be as damaging as possible because oil flow is not important.
@@4wdoverlandafrica221 Flow is important but by no means used to determine quality of a product designed for lubrication and cooling. Adhesion is a critical factor to ensure all internal engine parts retain a very thin surface layer of oil when not in motion. Without this to provide lubrication upon cold start, serious damage would occur very quickly to an engine.
@@ProjectFarm I use Motorkote ever since you tested it. It goes into every vehicle, for every oil change. I no longer hear ticking for 1 second at the first startup, interestingly enough.
You guys should remember Amazon's strategy. They will sell their products at a lost for years till they own the market and then they will raise the price.
That maybe true. But they've been around for... what... 20+ years? So... I may not be around when that day finally comes (if it ever does). In the meantime, I'm using all the savings to invest for my retirement. "Compound interest is the greatest force in the universe" so says Albert Einstein.
Great test. Thank you for sharing. I'm interested in seeing the same test performed on these two brands after 5k miles of usage. Just to see long term performance.
Such great videos... you asked for suggestions... let me add to those who have raised the idea of testing BMW LL-01 spec oils (for the many of us with BMW and/or MINI engines requiring LL-01 ACEA A3/B4 in 5W-30 or similar grade oils). Keep up the great work!
Thank you all very much for the suggestion on having an oil playoff series! Here's the list of oil brands in the playoffs. Thanks again and best regards, Todd
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum: amzn.to/34pgEll
Mobil 1 Annual Protection: amzn.to/31m3bcq
Lucas: amzn.to/3iYkvdg
Kendall: amzn.to/3hfPa5r
Liqui Moly: amzn.to/31l8eJY
Amazon Basics: amzn.to/32ef4jL
Quaker State: amzn.to/2EgE7uv
Amsoil: amzn.to/3aNZYoV
Castrol: amzn.to/3jhgYan
Red Line: amzn.to/34kkV9T
Royal Purple: amzn.to/31l9ehc
Schaeffer's Supreme 9000: amzn.to/3goLaOK
Valvoline: amzn.to/2YrJGgq
Motul 8100: amzn.to/3l9AfMw
WalMart: www.walmart.com/ip/Super-Tech-High-Mileage-SAE-5W-30-Motor-Oil-5-Quarts/17134875
I have loved watching all your tests. Seems like a strange thing to say now that I have typed it haha. I recently had a new engine built for my race car with forged internals. The machine shop who built my engine requires me to use Motul engine oil. I have always used amsoil. I was really hoping you could do a test with all the oils generally used for racing. Amsoil Signature, Liqui Molly, Motul, Royal Purple and then maybe verus Amazon basics full synthetic.
Performance plus by safety clean? The feedlot I drive for only uses it in our truck and I’m not sure why and no reviews online I can find.
The 4200 is rated for Dexos2 (dexos blue) and other Low Sap standards which prioritize Catalytic Health over all other metrics.
It's a really strict standard that the AmznBasic Dexos1 doesn't meet.
@projectFarm
I applaud your work.. This is like comparing a honeycrisp apple to a royal gala apple.
Would love to see Liqui Moly's Molygen in this test and see what shakes the scorboard.
The flow test would be alot more accurate if he had a trail of bearings for the oil to flow its way around down the slide.
A good idea for another oil test would be to use the lubricity tester on the oil again after it has been cooked to see if it still provides enough protection after being exposed to high temperatures
Great recommendation! I'll do that in the next round of the playoffs.
I'm curious about running oil in an engine for 2 hours, then running it through the lubricity tester. I wonder what other factors the moving engine has on the oil than just "cooking" it?
This is an excellent idea, I am very curious to see how much less cooked oil film can handle. This is my main concern with oils, durability.
@@ProjectFarm If or when you do that, you can use the same bearing as that would eliminate any variance between two different bearings.
@@HankeyMountainGarage Good idea
Can't wait to tell my grandkids all about the great oil wars of 2019?
lol. Thank you!
Typical of the germans to lose another...
When is the public going to realize we already got renewable motor oil, anyhow? Green Earth Technologies: Beef Tallow Based Motor Oil. Renewable Lubricants Incorportaed: Veggie Oil Based Motor Oil, ATF, Grease, Penetrating Oils.
These online oil wars have been raging for almost 20 years on BITOG (bob is the oil guy).
The oil war starts NNNNOOOWWWWW!!!!!
I love the way you announce your oil races. Sounds like a horse race!
Thank you very much!
I'm imagining the music on trumpets now.
Me : better sleep
Mind : nah Gonna watch drag races at 2:30AM
lol. Thank you! Hope you sleep well after the races!
Lol thats me at 2:28AM 🤣
Is everyone watching this at 2:30?
What about at 4:30 am?
Muslim spotted he's gonna detonate himself
So if we mix bacon grease and Amazon Basics we'd have the perfect oil. Lol
Would smell GREAT... LOL
Now's your chance!
Was thinking the same thing. I know my cast iron pans act like Teflon.
@@TheLittlered1961 John, you and Jack ought to go in together and start a company and then get the Commander to run a test on it and yall would be world famous! That DID sound good.
Person driving behind you would be drooling like hell...
need to have a HOT FLOW CONTEST as well as a cold flow. the better oil would be the slowest in the hot oil test.
Great recommendation!
Better get a good high speed camera for that one.
I still want to see a lubricity test after the oil has been heated. I would like to see if the oil breaks down
That won't necessarily be true. Different oils have different breakdown and break in points. There is wide range of disparity between new viscosity and after 800 miles of use. Shoutout to blackstone labs.
There used to be a great forum that posted great analysis, unfortunately they were bought out by an oil company (go figure)
Essentially he could run both oils in the same engine for several durations of 1-2 hours, then test the difference.
Yes!
Left in the middle of another channel's video to watch this.
It's Project Farm time y'all!
802 Garage I did the same thing.
Thank you very much! Hope you enjoy the video!
I was in the middle of a video on facebook.
802 Garage Me three
Me too!
Amazon basics vs supertech, the budget oil showdown
Great test request! Thank you
I think I have asked for this as well. Would be willing to do it myself if I had a lubricity tester.
both oils are made by Warren, but only they could say if the additives are different. so yeah, good test!
@Richard Skipper should....
Royal Kings oil is also made by Warren lubrication and it'd be nice to see all three of them neck-and-neck
My friends: So are you into sports?
Me: Oh yeah, I really hope amazon basics does well this season, I always root for the underdog.
lol. Thank you!
@@ProjectFarm man! The commentary on that race was unbelievable! 😂😂🤣
hahahahaha im dying
I almost cried when cooked amazon basics stepped ahead of new liquimoli.
lol amazon, an underdog... i get it but i thought it was funny.
Premium overpriced brands hate you on a whole different level. Stay safe.
I believe you are right! Thank you
Except for Amsoil. That shit is the best
I would never buy Liqui Moly even if this test never existed. Overpriced junk. Look how much it changed after the heat cycle. Garbage.
Amazon is good quality oil. It’s low because it hopes to take a chunk of the oil market , long term strategy monopolization
@@JSPHTRS yeah Amazon is already there. The only downside is that u can't get stuff immediately, but 2day shipping is amazing
I used Liqui Moly in all my cars and never had oil consumption or damaged engines, I was always satisfied
Thank you!
I think this test shows that quality doesn't have to be expensive?
maybe you should switch to amzonbasics and save some money
Same
@@yilmaztosun4858 this test shows exactly nothing
Your oil pouring skills are impressive. I make a mess every time I crack the top on a bottle of oil.
lol. Thank you
I've really been waiting for him to spill some but he never does!
Some did drip down the test tube!
@@AntmanWolves ya I guess he did spill a little liquid moly around the 0:50 second mark and then again around the 7:50 mark. I totally didn't notice the first time, if it was me pouring that stuff the test tube would be a mess!
Every time I change oil, I get some on the manifold, even with a funnel. At least it won’t rust out...
after cooking the oil put it back on the lubricity tester,
I did just that
@@NATESINTERACTIVEAUTO when it still hot ?
Be careful which coffee pot you make coffee in :)
I really enjoy watching your videos. But the testing methods in this one left me with some questions. How can you compare Oils without testing their lubrication at an actual engine temperatures? Maintaining lubrication at hight temp for an extended period of time is the MOST critical property of any engine oil. It's what makes an engine oil an engine oil.
Cold start viscosity is all fine and dandy, but according to the tests in your video, you might as well use sunflower seed oil.
I agree with you. Some of the testing is irrelevant because the oil's not at temperature. The cold flow test is the only test that's relevant
Test idea: Ratchet straps, had a new one fail on me way under its WL limit
Good idea mate
Great test recommendation! Thank you
Yup, good idea
GREAT idea!!
Good idea
lets see a film strength test with the cooked oil for comparison off new and used oil.
Great recommendation! Thank you
Also use the same quantity of oil in each cup.
Haha, i just recommended the same thing, you beat me to it.
And a line-up/leaderboard of the rest of the bearings for comparison, to see where the current oil being tested falls... would be nice.
absoFRIGGENlutely
Imagine having your new oil beat by used oil. Not looking good for these premium brands.
Thank you!
I discovered Liqui-Moly when being stationed in Germany, I tried it in my Volvo 850R out of curiosity and my god it runs smoother than the Castrol I used to use. Better fuel mileage too.
Thanks for sharing!
I am currently stationed in Germany. I use LQMoly in my 2018 BMW m4 and she runs like a champ.
I actually just serviced my car with liquimoly for the first time, wasn't this top tec one it was the same but a more expensive new version, either way the engine runs smooth as hell and I've gotten way more mpg than I was used to, so there must be more to it than these tests
@@ggcpf2874 Numbers anyone?
Never mind, numbers don't matter when such a figure is so variable based on driving habits. Smoother is too subject to human psychology.
Same! My 2011 vw Jetta tdi runs so smooth on Liqui-Moly.
i've been waiting for this one... i'm actually surprised at the Amazons oil quality.
Yes, Warren Distribution did a great job with their oil!
Put Amazon Oil in the car and expose to unburned gasoline, moisture and other byproducts, send it to the Lab and see how well it protects engine. Then claim it's quality Oil, based on real engine operation and real lab results.
I know I'm tempted to switch but I've used Castrol gtx for years and my engine seems to like it but the price for the Amazon is unbeatable then again I can usually get a 5qt jug of Castrol at my local Kmart for 14 bucks
Same here, if it weren't for the fact I can get cheap synthetic from a bulk buy I'd definitely buy it
Amazon doesn't produce oil. They either buy the blend or make the blend. There are only 3 oil supplement manufacturers in the world. All engine oil producers buy additives from these 3 companies :)
Hoping to see Pennzoil platinum ultra in one of these videos. Great job, these videos are addictive!
Great recommendation! Thank you
@@ProjectFarm Pennzoil Platinum & Ultra Platinum please! 😁
I agree. The only 0w-40 oils which meet FCA 'standards' which also works in my 6.4 Hemi is Pennzoil Ultra Platinum, Mopar (relabeled Ultra) Synthetic, and Amsoil. Stupid warranties and certifications.
I should add Ravenol SSL to this as well.
Pennzoil Platinum would be a good addition to this test. Pennzoil Ultra Platinum is harder to come by
I even allowed my lunch to get cold so I could watch this as soon as it was available.
Thank you very much! Hope the lunch still tastes good!
Project Farms uploads take Priority over all my YT Subscriptions. If only Politicians kept things this honest
Let's be honest. None of these tests say anything about how they will work in an engine.
yeah these tests are for entertainment only- they mean next to nothing
That's what I was thinking, they should do a 3k miles after test or so
I can’t believe German engineered oil was beaten by some cheap oil made by some capitalists
@@EngiesParadise I know its a joke but Germany is capitalistic as well just saying
Yeah doesn't say anything about the effects of the oil on modern diesel engine exhaust systems. Liqui molly only one of the few oils to be rated 507, and allowed by VW for use on TDI motors. Doesn't ruin the DPF and exhaust system
I'm here for the "breathing" griddle. 😉. Awesome video! Keep up the great work!
Thank you!
Wife:
Honey, how come the coffee tastes weird?
Me:
lol. Thank you
Let's get some Pennzoil Platinum and Ultra Platinum in the mix.
Thank you for the video idea!
Would be very interesting as this has been my engine oil of choice. Great suggestion.
Im interested in this as well as i have always thought pennzoil to be crap but honestly id like to see may make me not think so
@@finharms9439 What rock have you been living under? Times have changed. Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30 is truly top 5 or top 10 oil of the world. Shell is the parent company - same as Quaker State. Both are superior to Mobil 1 in terms of real world burn off in the summer and have less change in viscosity. Plus both provide more power and less noise at first fill and after 3500 miles. Used all in my 1991 160,000mi CRX, 2003 187,000mi Xterra, and 2003 91,000mi G35 (Mobil 1 junk never touched that car). My 1999 162,000 Camry 4cyl has QS full synthetic - I used to drive 6 hours 3 days a week. 100% confident Pennzoil and QS best A LOT of oils on the world market. I am loving Amazon/SuperTech/WARREN right now. What a great US company!! Amsoil and Motul are excellent oil beasts too.
Violeta Arreola the reason i think as pennzoil as crap is because they are affiliated with quaker state, if you remember back in the day it used to sludge up fairly quickly, i have always been a firm believer in Castrol GTX and Lucas, however if you are correct which im not saying you are or aren’t but this is why id like to see the tests in an unbiased environment, like i said it may change my mind
A lot of us are still waiting for The Super Tech vs Amazon Basics test! I know it’s coming eventually, I’m just very much looking forward to it. Thank you for doing these!
Thank you very much!
There are others that have already done that test and super tech full synthetic and amazonbasics full synthetic are about the same
The fact that the person that reached out to PF didn't come out and say they were different "which wouldn't give any secrets away" kinda tells us that they are the same just different package. Happens a lot with all the stuff we buy.
I would love to see a tire comparison video. Thank you for another great video. I always enjoy watching.
Great video idea! Thank you
I would too. I actually work in a tire warehouse
@@ProjectFarm I think you have enough video ideas to be the last channel alive on youtube by 2050 !
That sounds expensive
MPG vs traction would be a great data point. I got a little surprise when I saw my MPG drop 5% when I put Continentals on my f150. But the traction is worth it IMHO, especially with the lighter aluminum body.
F1 now uses Amazon basics
Great information. I didn't know this.
SiGHT SMaSH - either that’s a joke or it’s really because amazon sponsored their oil needs. Doesn’t mean it’s any better then any other brand with the same freakin API certification. Lol.
Never look at the sponsored logos as an indicator that they are using THE BEST. They are using what’s cheapest / FREE.
Those engines get rebuilt after every race anyway, so who gives a hoot what oil they use for ONE RACE duration. Lol
@@ProjectFarm it's a joke. Each F1 team uses propietary oils.
@@ForkInTheButt their "oil" is hardly "oil" . Unicorn rainbow piss that we can't get our hands on.
Amazon oil use the same company as the super tech oil
I would love to see the bearing test with the cooked oil too. That would be a great addition to your testing.
This will be the real test as the oil is new just for a moment when it is inside of a running engine.
The only issue with this methodology is it really just focuses on viscosity and the differences you show could all be still well within spec.The additive packages have a significant impact on real-world performance and should be taken into account in these shoot outs (I've seen you do the VOA and UOA on other videos). That said, overall I really enjoy your videos/tests and methodologies! Great stuff!
Thanks so much!
The bearing test is definitive, I've seen massive sludging with liquimoly. I recomend mobile1 full synthetic for my customers, costs less, performs better. I offer Shaeffers products as a upgrade
Am I the only one who stops what they're doing to watch the new Project Farm video?
I doubt it now that I think about it :)
Thank you very much!
You need to test the oils from Castrol
Greetings from Germany :)
Great recommendation and greetings!
Or Rowe Oil from Germany!
Or Addinol oil from Germany 😉
Hello..!! great video on this test.. But i hope like mentioned adding Castrol titaniun aswell..!!! Great work..!!!
Sadly Liqui Moly did so bad. I like that Brand an i dont even really know why. My Car is currently driving with the 4600 Oil
I absolutely love the oil comparisons - thanks again for doing them!
Thank you!
100% AGREE!
Project farm I know you have been busy with new videos, but I know many of us car people would be further interested in more gear oil tests, such as an ATF or Power steering fluid. These comparisons with cost effective alternatives are great too. Love the content! -new sub
Thanks for watching and subscribing! Thanks for the video idea.
The way u talking while the oil were racing had me feeling like I was betting at the horse track🤣
lol. Thank you!
The Kentucky Derby is just around the corner. He should audition for the track announcer.
Could you test Shell Rotella T6? Alot of people apparently always run that in there cars even tho its a diesel oil. Very curious.
Great recommendation!
This is a common oil for motorcyclists as well, I've put it in my project bikes and many swear by it. Apparently it has the right certifications to be used with a wet clutch.
Yes T6 showdown please!
Yes, this was an extremely popular choice among Subaru enthusiasts, but be aware they recently changed the formula and it is not the same anymore, now I run Total Quartz 9000 based on recommendation from engine builder.
+1 for t6 test. I use it in my 95 sierra 5.7
I actually bought Amazon basics oil for my truck. It's arriving soon, and I hope I am as Happy as all these other buyers are out there .
I've had great results with the oil in my vehicles.
@@ProjectFarm My only complaint is the lack of any easy way to see how much oil remains in the container.
@@FWDoraDora13 Supposedly, the new batches have a visible meter on the side. Check out the new reviews.
For me: Liqui Moly wins
Thank you for the feedback
Shut up dumbhead
@@mohsinmerchant4176 For meeee
@@ek1955 bester Name 😂
@@G40s_WW Ajo, so wie es sich gehört...😂
Please test Castrol Edge 5w-30 oil as it is suggested oil for VAG cars (Audi, VW, Seat, Škoda and so on).
P.S. Your channel is the best on youtube. It really gives the best content for an engineer minded people :)
Great recommendation and thanks for the positive comment!
Car oil vs motorcycle specific oil!!!! These videos got me thinking "should I just use amazon basics 20w-50 in my bike?"
These videos got me thinking if there really is any difference between say V-Twin 20w-50 and amazon basic car 20W-50. Can you please test this?!?! everyone thumbs this up.
Thank you for the video idea!
No, DO NOT use car oil in your motorcycle, it will cause your clutch to slip
@@Technie87 I understand that. But I also have my reservations that it actually will. I honestly think you wouldn't even notice. Obviously, it's not worth the risk but it is worth testing.
@@abarrick09 Well the difference is there because its a real thing. There is a motorcycle specific oil because there are cases of clutches slipping because of the use of conventional oil in a wet clutch style system. Do a quick search of "should I use car oil in a motorcycle" and you'll find out. Now , if you want to test the lubricity ability of that of a motorcycle oil compared to a car brand then thats a different question
You have got to do amazonbasics vs Walmart oil it must be done
Great video idea! Thank you
@@ProjectFarmPlease :D They look very similar
Yes, Wal-Mart Supertech Synthetic.
Warren products are top notch, PERIOD!!! Been using them for decades, with excellent results, while saving money!!!
Thanks for the feedback.
Fantastic as always. :-) Poor Liqui Moly.
Thank you! Always enjoy your videos!! You've got a GREAT channel!
Pour poor liquid moly
@@ProjectFarm did you do a competition of Mobil 1 annual. 20k miles year
@@ProjectFarm great video im using Liqui Moly on my turbo ej25 engine for over 100k/km wish u could do test on oils in pressurized environment, ps i think most oils are good as long u change them on time...
Not much difference in the cold race or friction test. Doesn't really prove anything inside your engine over 5000 miles.
I love how precise you are in measuring and doing everything you can to minimize potential unseen variables. Great testing.
Thank you!
Liqui Moly i haven't heard that name in years, but i don't remember much of my 20's.
Thank you
Are you Cheech and Chong lost brother?😄
your channel is one of my top 5 channels out of hundreds.. thanks for all you do!
Thank you
I had some liquid moly last weekend. Frigging amazing how many friends I made in one night.
Thank you
*lol*
LOL!
DUDE
This guy! Lmao!
i was in the middle of watching another video when yours popped up! thank you for the great videos!
Thank you!!
Great job, Todd! I would like to see these videos labeled Oil Playoffs Round 1, Round 2, etc. That will make it easier to watch the tests in order from beginning to end. I don’t think many of your viewers would just skip to the end because your videos are much more entertaining and informative than anything on TV! I appreciate all of your hard work and concerted efforts to keep all of the comparisons on a level playing field. Bravo!
Great suggestion! Thank you.
Long time follower, first comment (i think) Thanks so much for your informative, educational and entertaining videos. Like another follower said it before: The Oil Wars, loving every second of it.
My OCD is making me suggest to you whenever you talk about oil grades, the W means winter, not weight, please. Sorry, I had to say it.
Thank you. You are right, "w" stands for winter, not weight.
@@ProjectFarm I can't thank you enough for taking the time to read and to reply to all of our comments and suggestions. I bet farm work and making videos take like 25hrs out of your day, thanks.
As a bmw car owner for 10+ yrs, engine oil is one of those highly contested topics.
lol. Yes, between the farm and making videos, it's crazy busy but I love being busy. Thanks again!
Please, test the Motul 100% synthetics 8100 series engine oil. Let's say Motul 8100 Eco-nergy 5W-30, for example.
Thank you for the video idea!
I would also really like to see this
I also would like to see this
me too! I use xclean though
@@cplb I agree! I suggested Eco-nergy because my 2019 Mazda MX5 manual specifies ACEA A5/B5 oil. Eco-nergy is A5/B5, X-Clean is C3.
Just added Amazon to my truck, hoping for the best! Have you placed Amazon against super tech yet? Would be interesting since they're both made by Warren!
I need to compete those 2 head to head. Great recommendation!
Also need to try Royal Kings Oil it's also made by Warren lubrication it would be a cool video to have all three of them neck-and-neck
Took a break from work to watch prodject farm🤙🏻
Thank you!!
Every time he says "Liquid Molly" my jaw moves.
lol
why not also test the oil at a car operating temperature
Great recommendation! I'll do that in the next round of the series.
Place both samples bottles in 190-210 degree bath for 10 hours and duplicate. 2 sample of each at the same time in the same bath.
Difficult to keep the oil at that temperature while measuring viscosity. But you could do a falling steel ball test on it in an insulated tube, with two wire contacts at the bottom to indicate the ball finishing its travel.
i don't understand why this was asked if he brings them up to 482 degrees?
i was a lower bay tech at a shop for 2 years and oil was never that hot, i could touch it for about 2-3 seconds before it started burning,
now 482 degrees is something i won't fuck around with.
@@Omar-em7rl at least whatever engine he uses will be flushed really well but the carbon and used oil factor will play heavily in the first run of tests unless he uses a brand new small engine. Then there's a good chance of metal contamination during break in period.
I’m from Germany, Liqui moly Is the last oil i‘ll put in my Engines.
Already saw some worn Engines powered by LM...
I Hope you will also Test:
CASTROL
MOTUL
AND (my absolut favourite)
MOTUL 300V COMPETITION 15W-50 ESTER CORE Racing oil.
That would be absolut Great. 😃
Love These Tests. 👍
Thank you for this information! I'll test MOTUL and Castrol for sure.
cant agree more, We also put our trust in liqui moly and 4 of our premium fleet cars got severely damaged due to excessive deposits on cylinder liners, piston rings and almost all squirters were blocked. I think the deposit shield and the high zinc requirement is not met at all by LM. Even the oil pump lift mesh was 90% choked
Hast du es versucht mit Fosser oder Ravenol?
Motul Specific VW 504 & 507 Lost to The Liqui Moly 4200 on Nates.
@@Franz_Donnermann this guy is talking $hit
Could you do a video testing fuel efficiency differences as well as general wear on an engine when using the wrong gap spark plug
Thank you for the video idea!
Moving coffee pots around every five minutes for two hours. You are a hero.
Thanks!
@@ProjectFarm I'm buying Amazon FS for my BMW now, thank you.
Genuinely more interesting than a soccer championship.
Because you're not sponsored!
Thank you very much!
Can't wait for the final four! This is better than basketball.
Thanks for watching!
Any plans to include Pennzoil Ultra Platinum full synthetic? Great video as usual! We appreciate your diligence!
Great recommendation!
Agreed its one of the best oils in the sub $25.00 that i have ever UOA blackstone tested. But the Amazon/Supertech oil is very good stuff.
@@joshuarobinson7522 , what your metal wear numbers?
You could call this the oil olympics 🤩
Oil-ympics
How about also using the lubricity test with the oil hot and frozen?
Great recommendation!
Cannot be executed properly as an experiment or test that follows scientific methods. Think about it. How is he going to reasonably maintain the cold or hot temps of the oil under test? Bring everthing into a walk in freezer? Bring everthing into a grocery store's upright Hobart bakery rack oven. Um. No. What WOULD be good is to test the lubricity AFTER the heat cycle or possibly even after the heat cycle and the re-freeze. This way the normal order of testing can remain and the lubricity test would be an extremely interesting addition at the end. Yes.
Violeta Arreola when I start my car engine in the morning, the oil is cold until the engine warms up. Same concept to me. Either way, be nice to see how it performs with cold and hot oil.
I have an idea. Find a small weight thats heavy enough to drop to the bottom
when the oil is not frozen. Freeze the oil, place that weight on the top and then heat it up. Record the time it takes the weight to drop to the bottom.
I think this will be good indication of how fast the oil will circulate through moving parts while heating up. IDK, just a suggestion.
I just want to say I love what you're doing and how you're doing it, hard to find unbiased and informed experiments like yours. Keep it up!
Thank you very much!
You'd think liquid moly oil would actually use liquid Moly in it to inprove it, but it appears not.
Great point!
Molybdenum can cause problems in an internal combustion engine.
For break in (camshafts) it is OK. But continuous use can harm the engine as molybdenum does not tolerate engine temperatures.
@@madmagyver9981 Just curious. If it's harmful, why does Honda put this in all of their new vehicles? It says it specifically in my owner's manual, to NOT drain out the first oil change until the oil change indicator says to, due to the Molybdenum that Honda adds.
@@garrettstevensen2467 Did you see the part about it being good for break in and that continuous use isn't a good thing? You want to cause a little wear on break in so that all the tolerances line up naturally (by very gently wearing down high spots in the metal)
thats and extra additive... lol
The only person on the planet that can get me excited about oil racing. What a cool dude 😎
Thank you!
I love how you're doing a championship of the oils :D
My bets are on amazon basic!
Thank you very much!
Is the Amazon Basic oil the same as Wal-mart Supertech?
Great question. I need to test them against each other.
Project Farm yes plz do it ...
Keith McLeod I think it is made by the same company which is warren
Keith McLeod they’re the same oil
Is it the same with Mag1 too?
Always good tests but Top Tec 4200 is a blended oil according to the data sheet, not fully synth.
The front of the container says "fully synthetic". I wonder which to believe?
@@ProjectFarm who knows! Dont know how much it would change the results
If it says fully synth, its fully synth. It will be a blend of synth base oils, possibly group 3 and pao most likely
Curious here, would Liqui Molys 5w40 Leichlauf high tech be considered group 3 (iii) oil !? If so is it a fully synthetic?
@@thebaron8783 check their data sheets. Im only really familiar with their motorcycle and race tech lines.
I'm loving this channel.your saving people a lot of money and making more informed customers.thank you and keep up the good work.
Thank you!
Todd.. We gotta get you out of the garage... How about testing BEER?
Must include a sitting in a lawn chair drinking test.
I think we need to find out if pure maple syrup tests better than Log Cabin...
It tests better in my heart.
What about Aunt Jemima?
Thank you for the video idea!
lol
You have already done an incredible amount of work for these tests.
Next step.... would be a wear test after cooking the oil.
I think that would be more relevant than doing the test with brand new oils.
Nevertheless, thank you very much for the hard work!
Have to appreciate the efforts that has been put in making this video.
Thanks so much!
Good content as usual! I saw an oil analysis and LiquiMoly contains exactly 0 moly.
You should consider adding Quaker State Ultimate Durability to the tournament.
Thank you for the video idea!
Matt Beeramid - so much for the Moly in its name then... 🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
please make a amazon basic vs shell rotella t6, thanks and more power to you
Thank you for the video idea!
ROTELLA T6 IS GOD
T6 is 5w40
@@ijmodified come 5w30 too. according to google tho
@@driftingbrandonc.6480 5w30 is turbo gas. 5w40 is diesel. 10w30 is blend for newer diesels
Can you Test Motul Oil? The 300V has proven in several 24h LeMans Races. I think it is the best you can buy, even the 5W30. 😁👍
Thank you for the video idea!
@@ProjectFarm Been dying to see a Motul comparison. A variety would be great to see as they have seriously different price points but it's considered a premium product. Unscientific test in my motorcycles says Motul beats out Mobile 1.
Www.schaefferoil.com
motul vs amsoil please
@@ProjectFarm I would also consider the 300V "race" oil vs the Motul 8100 series 5W30 before comparing it to Amazon Basics or the like. Thank you for testing LiquiMoly, now onto the French Motul? Keep up the great work!
PF,
Computer glitch comment never got posted ! was still spinning when I opened up the computer today fantastic ! Let’s try this again !
Amazon basics comes out again on top . Always excellent editing, great video quality, keep them coming ! Hope all is well with the kids and wife should be warming up outside? 72 F tomorrow my daughters are turning 2-4 tomorrow is their party at the firehouse.
General repair
General Repair, Thank you very much! We're going to have a cold, wet weekend here unfortunately. 2 and 4 are great ages and the party at the firehouse sounds like great times! They grow up too fast! Thanks again for the positive feedback and hope you enjoy the weekend!
Please do a video on whether engine flush is beneficial and mandatory on every oil change...
BTW great video
You are the best!!
I agree that this would be a good idea to test
No need. Engine flush is not mandatory on every oil change or ANY oil change if you are hitting proper change intervals.
@@peterwelsh6975 ya but it would still be cool to see how well it works just because it's what he do! In all seriousness I'm very interested. A real world application might be where an engine wasn't so well maintained or has unknown maintenance and you the consumer are trying motor flush to see if it helps out. I actually used motor flush religiously in my 97 nissan altima for years and it didn't hurt anything mechanical anyways. In the end my rear main oil seal started leaking badly and the car wasn't worth much so I junked it. I actually read years later that the motor flush might have caused the oil leak by removing the crud that kept the seal from leaking.
Sonuvishwanath 9945312235 It’s certainly not. Regular oil changes will ensure your engine stays clean. I rebuild motors and see it all the time. Just recently rebuilt my 600 hp Toyota motor after 5,000 miles and it looked as clean as the day I first built it, and that’s with low detergent oil
Thank you for the video idea!
Man this Amazon oil is still proving to be extremely impressive
Thank you!
Castrol gtx magantec claims it clings to metal engine parts like a magnet
Let's find out!
I am using some of the Amazon full synthetic 5W-30 and it has been running smoothly so far. My car only has 233k miles.
Edwin Trejo what car u got??
Impressive oil!
Ya know, deep down you know Amazon is a big greedy company that you shouldn't like. . .
... But damnit they never let me down.
I work for them, trust me I know the pain.
Thank you
Why should you not like big greedy companies? Especially if they provide good products at reasonable prices.
@@itself227 because you need to consider the people working for them.
@@MitchJohnson0110 so if it is not a great place to work, then do not work there. I would bet it pays better than I make. ($13 an hour)
7:57 Start of Kentucky Derby
lol. Thank you!!
As a chemist for a major oil refiner, you realize your tests have no validity with regards to oil quality. Oil chemistry is designed for conditions such as extreme pressure, shear strength and adhesion. Oil which flows faster down a channel is in fact not what you want to happen. Viewers should not be mislead by unorthodox testing methods.
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Yeah. So says every major oil company on earth as well.
So the amount of time is takes oil to reach all areas inside the engine that need lubrication is not valid? If that is so, all engines would run of the same viscosity oil? You want those cold dry start ups to be as damaging as possible because oil flow is not important.
@@4wdoverlandafrica221
Flow is important but by no means used to determine quality of a product designed for lubrication and cooling. Adhesion is a critical factor to ensure all internal engine parts retain a very thin surface layer of oil when not in motion. Without this to provide lubrication upon cold start, serious damage would occur very quickly to an engine.
I never thought I’d be watching a cold engine oil race but I’m glad I did! Great video as always
Thanks!
Can you add Pennzoil Platinum and ultra Platinum to the mix.... And possibly do something with Motorkote treated oil.
Thank you for the video idea!
@@ProjectFarm I use Motorkote ever since you tested it. It goes into every vehicle, for every oil change. I no longer hear ticking for 1 second at the first startup, interestingly enough.
Agreed! I use this oil in my Ford EcoBoost trucks. I used to be a Mobil 1 fan, but have since switched.
You guys should remember Amazon's strategy. They will sell their products at a lost for years till they own the market and then they will raise the price.
Thank you!
That maybe true. But they've been around for... what... 20+ years? So... I may not be around when that day finally comes (if it ever does). In the meantime, I'm using all the savings to invest for my retirement. "Compound interest is the greatest force in the universe" so says Albert Einstein.
Wal-Mart Supertech is the same as Amazon Basics. And Supertech is cheaper. Plus Wal-Mart will take your waste oil.
Nothing beats the bacon grease in wear protection...... nothing lol
lol. Thank you
Bu bacon grease wouldn't sell very well in the Middle-east.
I gotta say I was pumped up at 8:30 for the race...great commentator skills.
Thank you!
Hey you should try something different(drain blockages liquids) I love watching your videos because it lets consumers know what to buy....
Great test. Thank you for sharing. I'm interested in seeing the same test performed on these two brands after 5k miles of usage. Just to see long term performance.
Thank you
Wow I’m completely surprised and will definitely be switching to Amazon basics for sure. Thanks for the video!
Thank you!
Such great videos... you asked for suggestions... let me add to those who have raised the idea of testing BMW LL-01 spec oils (for the many of us with BMW and/or MINI engines requiring LL-01 ACEA A3/B4 in 5W-30 or similar grade oils). Keep up the great work!
Great suggestion! Thank you. Thanks, will do.
your griddle was moving strangely during that test lol
It breathes, it is creepy lookin.
The griddle gets pretty excited about cooking oil!
Why is this not being lived streamed and placing bets on the oils to win?
Thank you for the idea!
I could never confidently put an oil named “Amazon Basics” in my car. It looks like WIC engine oil.
Thanks for the feedback.
Best content provider, others should model to this level of quality.
Thank you very much!