Wahoo KICKR BIKE: Rider Fit (Road & TT) // Part II
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- Part 2: Setting up the Wahoo Kickr BIKE for my road and TT fit using the Wahoo App wizard (and a tape measure).
Wahoo KICKR BIKE - The latest release from Wahoo at Eurobike 2019. Based on years of smart trainer experience this looks to be the most fully featured Smart Bike released to date.
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Rider Fit Cheat-Sheet (As measured in the Lama Lab):
Q-Factor: 150mm.
Minimum Saddle Height: 565mm (56.5cm / 22.24 inches)
Maximum Saddle Height: 902mm (90.2cm / 32.2 inches)
Steatpost is a standard 27.2mm clamp
Handlebar Details (Supplied) Width: 42cm c-c
Stem Clamp: 31.8mm
Stem is 90mm -7deg
Saddle: Velo brand 275mm long x 130mm wide.
Cranks: 165mm-175mm
Wahoo KICKR BIKE Details:
Power Accuracy: +/-1% (No calibration!)
Power: Up to 2200W
Grade Simulation: +20% / -15%
Noise: Virtually Silent (Belt driven)
Groupset Function: Shimano Di2, SRAM, Campagnolo. (Customisable)
Gearing Simulation: Fully Customisable.
Status Indicator: Grade. Gearing. Connectivity.
Crank Length: 165, 167.5, 170, 172.5, 175
Adjustability/Fit: Quick Adjustment. Full Setup Guide. Made for multi riders.
Customization: Saddle, Bars, Stem, Pedals. (TT/Tri bars)
Connectivity: ANT+ / ANT+ FE-C / Bluetooth Smart
Data: Speed, Power, Cadence, (+Trainer Control).
Downhill Simulation
Braking
Shipping: October in US. Europe/etc early 2020
Price: US$3499
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"Listen to your body" So True. When I first saw these I thought it could be used as the perfect blind bike fitting tool to set up your own personal settings to suit your physiology. Your settings can be viewed immediately through your power meter to see if it is better or worse.
gotta admit I am lusting after one of these
Really enjoy your forensic approach to assessing this bike. Thanks!
I've just pushed the button on a pre-order of the Kickr bike. Your detailed measurements in this video and the preceding video were particularly useful in making me confident that it would fit me and the space where it needs to go. Thanks again
Do keep me posted on how it goes!
Just purchased one on this week's sale, shipped waiting for delivery in California. I appreciate the vids. I'm a veteran of two kickr 18 and current has been rumbling for months. But this is good for an old guy like me to crank away and hopefully it breaks under warranty.
Great vid Shane. Can't wait for part 3.....the ride experience. I'm a real chance to get one of these I reckon.....depending on your review/thoughts. No pressure!
Thank you, Shane! Very informative - I appreciate the time that it took to make this. Cheers!
Thanks John. This one was three days on and off - and many late nights.
The Giant TCR is such a nice looking bike!
Just what I needed measurement wise!
Thanks for also showing TT. That was my main demur about this bike.
New bike day … bought KICKR bike V2 😊. Wasted a lot of setup time by not first levelling the KICKR to 0% grade before transferring my road bikefit to it. Silly me … only realised my error when I ran out of saddle height adjustment. Out of the box, the KICKR was at about -2% grade 😱 which threw everything out
Excellent video thanks for the measurements. Great graphics.
As diligent and informative as ever! Have to say it looks like a superb design. Robust, intuitive and incredibly versatile. Having the seat post and top tube (stand-over) heights independently adjustable is something that neither the Watt Bike Atom, Tacx Neo, nor Virtu Pro bike has. Not sure if it offers any practical benefits but it demonstrates that Wahoo really has considered everything that the user might want to fine tune. Aside from the wider base - which I think is another plus point - it also looks less intrusive than the other three!
The standover height adjustment, standard seatpost, and tilt gives Wahoo a LOT to work with in the future. Especially around edge cases.
I think the next level is when you put your own saddle on at a predetermined height and bars of your choice. With addition of etap style wireless levers you could via the app have the kickr bike adjust with servo motors.
You are killing me Shane! ride it already.. ;)
Soon... very soon! (Well, I have a few rides already). Hit that subscribe to be alerted when the next video drops!
Good info, I could make that TT fit me. The giant aero bar mounts have the lowest stack out there, 35mm above center of the bar, that is the way to squeeze everything out. But the downhill hack is pretty good too.
I use the carbon aero 3T Zefiro handlebar with integrated aerobars wich has zero stack height, even lower than the clip on giant aero bar, because with the 3t zefiro your elbows rest on the aero road style handlebar itself wich allows regular road shifters too.
The integrated small aerobars are interchangeable for longer aero bars by easy mount of one bolt wich also makes it easy to quickly take off the aero bars if you want to do a road race in stead of a time trial where aero bars are not allowed.
what an awesome video. i'm not a fan of the bike's aesthetics, but it is very functional and and i can only assume that it's an awesome training tool.
Thanks mate! Be sure to click that subscribe button to support my work here (I'd really appreciate it!)
Trouble is, when you tilt the bike forward, you rotate the saddle position in relation to the B/B which will mess up your set back, now if you compensate it will increase the reach, if you then shorten the reach, you raise the bars.........vicious circle.
Best just to change the stem and don’t use the graduations on the stack adjustment.
Agreed... the tilt adds complexity.
Haha, I was going to suggest tilting the bike to drop the stack height for your TT fit, but of course you already thought of that.
i can see the future of these being all electronic for sizing as well. so a profile can be saved, and 1 click, it adjusts everything to the user itself.
Yeah... And in the future TdF, Vuelta and Giro will be through Zwift lol. People forgot whats the purpose of the bike really is but... whatever :).
@@JanKowalski-pe9lo yes nothing liike real world cycling. I have to say this winter ive used my trainer more than ever and its not just the weaher but work and extended family have sucked my free time. I had to run or ride the trainer at night or else pay the price.
Can't wait for your final run/ride. Please comment on stability as well. To my eye it looks kinda skinny. Wonder how it will handle a solid sprint?
Thomas Riemer it looks pretty solid though
I was showing my wife the Tacx Neo bike video from Ray the other day to get her used to the idea, I told her that there was no way I wanted one of those. I didn't show her your vid yet though. It's only a few more bucks that I don't have ;-)
Playing it cool is the way to get it every time, unless you overplay it and then its a fiasco.
I use a oval chain ring, can this bike emulate it ?
Apologies, but I may have missed the overall footprint measurements. The new Neo Bike Smart is 750mm x 1500mm (to the fans), but I haven’t seen those measurements for this bike. I’m looking to install in a NYC apartment, so those are important for me. Thanks for all of your videos, I’ve been down this rabbit hole for months now.
From the Wahoo official website: 48 in x 30 in (121 cm x 76 cm)
Hi Shane
Thank you very much for the impressive review.
I'm a big guy 126kg 195cm would you recommend this for me? I really wanna lose weight and absolutely love the bike.
While the stack, reach, saddle height etc, are all quite adjustable, the handlebar is somewhat wide. If you have a couple in the home using this and one needs a narrower handlebar, there is no way to easily adjust this. Wahoo do not sell the hardware to set up a second handlebar that can be swapped back and forth between different sized riders. Seems like a pretty major oversight. Oversized handlebars can cause some pretty terrible shoulder pain. Speaking from experience here.
Bike fits with GP Lama? The flexibility would offer some real guidance in setting up your road (real) bike
I hope Wahoo would specify their sizing according to the standard frame measurements (especially Stack height, Reach)..it would then be easier for translate it into bike frame selection
Ping Wahoo Support. They may have this info.’
Excellent! I expect a "ride feel" video by the morning.
It’ll be out one morning. Not tomorrow. Tonight is podcast editing.
Hi Shane,
I just bought a Wahoo Kickr Bike and I am in the process of adjustments. I found out that the maximum setback is just 12cm. I believe that this can't be enough for all cyclists. I am 175cm tall and still can't get the same setback (bb to saddle) to the road bike that I use.
Use a 20mm setback seat post. I couldn’t get that measurement right either but then swapped out seatpost (have 20mm set back on road bike) and it all lines up now.
Shane nice video as always!
How can you watch tv on that aggressive position? I'm building a zwift setup and this is doubt that I have to mount a tv on the right position, I'm not sure where I can put tv mount.
To quote someone you may know here on TH-cam who I've worked with in regard to my TT position "The view from the top of the podium is better" (than being able to see forward). He also knows carbon fibre, very well.
Put it on a table lower than you eye level. You can tilt a tv up a bit and a table has four legs for stability. Tables can be found in most furniture shops. Usually square in shape but some are circular or rectangular. If you have trouble finding one put 'table' into a search engine.
@@jammydodger7726 thanks.
I wonder if you had backup up a little at 7:57 to overlay the bike the same as yours, what would of happened?
I'd need to get the ratio/scale right. All these overlays and messing about took around three days as it was... tape measure is fastest! :)
Shane, Im more concerned over the durability of that tilt mechanism. What if it breaks?..... just like the Kickr climb...
It’s a different system entirely. Still valid concerns.
hey Shane, first of all, thank you for the great informative and fun channel!!! I am always looking for the next video of GPLama!!! you surely deserve 1m subscriptions!!! I got a Wahoo Kickr Bike 2 months ago, what an amazing "toy"!!! but there is a thing: I can't quite put the same power as I do in my two other bikes (outdoors), which I run a Favero Assioma Dual on a trek Madone, and a Quarq on a Trek speed concept, both outdoors bike I have fairly similar power readings, but at the wahoo bike it is surely 20-30% less, and it is even a bigger discrepancy when I do some all out attacks (out of the saddle), outdoors I can break up to 1050-1150w, but on the wahoo bike I literally kill myself to hit 750w... would you have any tip regarding that issue!!!??? thank you in advance!!!! Ride-on!!!! :-)
The numbers I get on the Kickr BIKE are brilliant when compared to the Assioma DUO (and other pedal meters). Install your Assioma on the Kickr Bike and do the same comparison.
Very interested in a thorough sound test, GPlama. I live in an apartment and the Kickr bike appears to be the quietest indoor smart/power training solution of them all - especially due to the belt drive. I’m talking about being able to do a 5am ride without waking anyone up. Can you please do that soon? Thanks!
Noted. I'll do it in the ride/experience video. Be sure to hit that sub button here to be across it when that lands.
Is it possible to use smart kickr in place of retul's MUVE or EXIT II to identify the size of the bike?
To use the Kickr BIKE for bike fits? Maybe. Not my area of expertise.
Tnx for going over the measurements, im 198cm and have my saddle at 86,5 cm. Their claim of "User Height Range: 5 feet (152 cm) to 6 feet 4 inches (193 cm)" is very inaccurate. Think problem for us over 193 is the reach, Im at 79cm, changing the stem to a longer one is an option.
Next question from me is how stable will it be at almost maximum settings. Is it even usable, usually bigger riders have it easier to push out more watts. I topped at 1800w last winter season on my kickr, 1 min power is 800w. What will happen to the structure of the kick bike when a bit more weight and maybe higher power will strain the frame for a bit.
Maybe hit up wahoo iverbthis as they may seriously consider advances to jajevthus bike more adaptable for taller riders. Anybody that makes equipment fir people under 7ft these days is missing it on customers. Im almost 6ft so I'm ok but id be very annoyed if i was taller.
What brand/model is your tri bars?
Hi Shane, is the min saddle height 56.5 cm measured from the peddle at the 6 o'clock position to the top of the saddle? Thank you
Center bottom bracket to middle top of saddle.
@@gplama thank you
Hello, may I ask you the height from the ground to the saddle ? today my "pain cave" ceiling is quite low and fine with my roadbike on a kickr power but i did not find the height of the "top bar" for my 78cm saddle to crank center height. Thanks for this vidéo!
Is there a rider weight limit on this bearing in mind it's tilting?
I believe it was 250 lbs but Im guessing thats with a good size safety margin.
Been a big fan of yours for quite a while, and whilst I value your unbiased opinion, if you could only keep one unit for the cave, either Smart Bike or Smart Trainer which would it be ?
A question for a few weeks (or months) time. Too early with these new bikes to know.
Shane Miller - GPLama Thanks for the reply, I know what you mean, the journey from Fortius to Neo cost me a fortune with all the interim units.
What clip on aero bars are those?
Profile Design with Zipp pads. Very much a bodge.
Why stack and reach to the bars? Usually it’s measured to the middle of the stem
The numbers given here are just an indication of max/min settings. There's so many 'standards' to measuring a bike it's insane. -45mm for middle of stem measurements.
What’s the name of the app and how to get to the fit settings? This video doesn’t explain thoroughly.
Shane great video, super informative! So I imagine if you are sharing this bike with another person, my wife in my case, then it's just a matter of writing down the measurements and adjusting them to your fit prior to the workout. Is it just that easy and convenient or are there design flaws that prevent an 'easy' change in bike fit. I don't have a direct drive trainer, just a wheel on, and boy what a pain in the ass to swap out the rear wheel for that of a trainer wheel, lots of grease on your hands that I'm afraid to touch anything in my room, which has left some prehistoric-like finger paintings on my wall - to the dismay of my wife.
The only thing that could catch people with a quick adjust change (and yep, it's quick), is the crank length. If one rider rides 165 and the other 172.5 or 175, that's a big step. One adjustment either way isn't a lot.... it depends what level of detail/training/fit you can accept.
@@gplama awesome thanks for the insight! Luckily my wife and I have the same crank length, I'm liking this bike more and more now.
@@davidgalindo5964 Be sure to drop into a store and test ride first (always a good idea). My first ride tonight went well.... more video soon.
Hi Shane. Would be interesting to know final height of kickr bike versus height of your road bike. I'm setting up room in anticipation of my order for one of these in New Year and want to mount TV in front. Would have been interesting to put your bike side by side with the kickr to see how they compare
My bottom bracket height on the road bike is 27cm (iirc). This was 30 or 32? I can't recall. That should give an indication of the difference in height.
Shane Miller - GPLama so the kickr bike sits a little higher than your road bike overall?
@@pantster9855 I'd estimate 50mm higher from the flat ground (based on the slightly higher bottom bracket)
@@gplama Thanks Shane, keep up the good work!
The Wahoo bike seems wonderfully integrated ..... but for the exposed cables and display placement
Which you're not going to notice or care about once you're in the middle of a training session. If you are focusing on the cables then you're not working out hard enough.
Does the bike come with a tape measure for 3500 or do I need to buy the New Accessory Kickr Tape for $199? Kidding aside it looks like the TT positions will be difficult to replicate. Anyone taller than you will have a hard time.
Taller riders will have a higher seat, and likely higher front end. Along with everyone being very different when it comes to TT fit. I'd recommend people look at the numbers the bike can do, look at theirs, and go from there.
I have this bike, but I knew found the app that helps set up the bike like you have. What is it called?
Hi shane please let me know which application i need to download same the one you use it thanks 🙏
Indoor cycling app? It was likely Zwift in this video.
@@gplama thank u shane
What clip in aero bars do you suggest for wahoo bike?
Anything will work. There's a lot of room on the front to mount them.
You will hit those extensions with your knees. Be carefull it will hurt as I've learned from my U17 years :')
Hacksaws are cheap. ;)
I sawed the ends off mine in my U17s years.
Why don't you change the gradient so the bike is leaning forward and change all the angles with the seat and handlebar?
Mentioned this later in the video
I really want one but that price tag........
Reason why I can't get my TT bike position on the Kickr bike is because my crank length Sram 180 mm is not supported (kickr bike maximum is 175mm wich is 5mm too short for my longer legs) . Most aggressive TT position realization on an indoor smart bike for me thus would probably using my own Bike with 180 mm cranks and TT aerobar on a Wahoo Kickr , with the kickr climb, and than doing "the in this video showed lama hack" of dropping the front end by manually simulating a kickr climb downhill slope for short durations.
Fair enough. 180mm is in the ‘outlier’ category! 🚲👌🏼
@@gplama Indeed 180mm nowadays tends to be more in the outlier category, while most brands modern crankarm productions won't do the 180mm anymore.
Also 165 and 167.5 mm short cranklength arms are in the more rare outlier category, wich do are present as mounting holes in the kickr bike cranks.
Wich I understand; because it is easier to produce an extra hole at 165 radius from the bb axle than to create one at 180mm radius, wich would require more crank arm material.
The Tacx Bike max crank arm is a 175mm too.
What's you inseam length Shane? You must be in the low 90s.
I haven't measured it in years (so I have no idea). I'll get friendly with a tape measure soon.
@@gplama im recalculating mine im 87cm and my chart says 76cm bb to centre saddle. Seems high though.
I've just filtered comments on sub status.. mate! No sub!? Ping me when you've subbed and I'll put a measuring tape between my legs and get back to you ;)
What size is the power supply?
48V 3A (and be sure to click that sub button here! thanks!)
The 1st thing i will be swapping out isnt the saddle, its the peddles...
Those won't ever be installed by most people, so I skipped that detail. :)
Where do you find sizing wizard?
It's within the Wahoo app.
@@gplama Actually Wahoo removed it because they said there was too much variance in different smart phones. thanks for the video.
@@eea6967 Oh, that's interesting... Thanks for the follow-up.
I dont even want to know the price 😂
I’d pay 5k for this bike if everything was motorized. That way you could save profiles for you and your partner that it could switch between.
Still not understanding why you would buy this when a trainer and bike does the same thing. Here’s the kicker with this dedicated trainer...how do you ship or transport it when you need warranty repairs... not practical.
Here's my long form discussion on this topic. th-cam.com/video/0HJGt9l-o7g/w-d-xo.html
I’m sure smart bikes in general will expand their market share in time, but right now, in my opinion, for majority of the road riders without the disposable income, there are a lot of things higher up on the priority list than a smart bike.
It’s nice to have the choice, and if there are enough early adopters with disposable income, perhaps the prices will come down to a point where most of us can justify the cost.
seems like a lot of work - has anyone thought of something similar but you could put your own bike on? might need to remove the rear wheel of something, haven't thought it all the way through yet
Brilliant! +1
@Chris Holton:
That saddle looks horrible lol
Yep, swapped out already. (and remember to hit that subscribe button to swap in your support for this channel!) :)