that line from sans when I was so anxious to replay the game to get another ending, where he says "leave frisk to live their life, they are happy now". that really struck me. i felt bad resetting the game, even this planned programmed dialogue had me questioning myself XD Undertale truly is a different game
I'm going to be honest; I'm scared of watching this video. I know it's going to articulate exactly what I've felt since I was just a kid. And it'll make me cry. Even before I could articulate what it really was, when I was just a dumb kid mashing buttons, I'd always been afraid of the feeling that came with completing something, anything, and leaving it for good.. I could never let myself settle for too long after finishing a book or a game or a movie or whatever; it was always onto the next trend or passion pit I could sink hours of my life into. I'd convince myself that this obsession was special, that I would play this game or remember that movie forever until I'd lose interest and move on, find another "irreplaceable" passion. One day I'll lose interest in Undertale, and that scares me. For me, its like losing a part of what makes you you; saying goodbye to these characters that have changed your life. And I don't want to leave them behind. I don't want to let go.
+skittles gamer There might be pain involved in leaving a game behind, but you shouldn't let that deter you from loving a game ever again. The joy you'll experience from playing a truly beloved game will always outweigh that feeling of loss.
I'm exactly like this! my passions go in phases and I'm afraid that one day even Undertale will be replaced by another obsession like all the others. however I do believe I will always love this game even if I move on from it. all the passions I had before still hold a special p.ace in my heart even if I'm not obsessed with them anymore.
I'm one of those people who get way to emotionally attached to characters after the smallest amount of time. If it 10 minutes of gameplay, or just an episode of something.
Same. I'm also one of those kinds of people who really throws myself into a game. For me, it's my adventure in a world - saving Hyrule, catching Pokemon, etc.
+Haru Bell Yeah,i throw myself into a game often. Games like Omega Ruby can be replayed,but when I beat the elite 4,i had undescribable emotions,and was extremely happy that after the Elite 4,i could get starters from other regions,and I could catch Rayquaza and Deoxys. Even though my deoxys had crap IVs.
hm, I have thought about it. Maybe the world is even stronger than the rest of the Undertale gang and Frisk? like a DBZ thing. Goku and the Z fighters going from Earth to Namek. A large power increase.
although that's only for Undertale. Personally I do think about the ending of a game and think of something similar to the DBZ thing, them advancing and getting better.
In my opinion, Undertale never ends unless we make it end. If we end, Undertale will end. If we continue to talk about it, Undertale will continue. Since Undertale is a game that revolves around Timelines, there are many stories to tell. Underswap, Mafiatale, Underfell, Underline. All those AU's are still part of the game. We continue the story in our own way. With new Characters, new settings and new enviroments to explore. Undertale is a game that invites the players in and allows them to make their own adventure. If we stop making our own adventure, Undertale finally comes to a halt. Nice video Swanky, really nice.
WOA! Calm down, the sequel haven't been released yet, it's still being made, it's just gonna be released in 2017 i think, or they will cancel it. But you still can play the demo, if you find it....
Years ago I lost my DS with Nintendogs on it. Nintendogs is kinda like Animal Crossing because the game keeps going in real time. I can't help but think sometimes about my 3 dogs abandoned in my DS, not being fed, not being walked.
Trust me, this made me want to visit my dog again, but I lost my DSI but then I found it, and visited him. I hope you can find your DS's and your games to visit your dogs.
I totally understand what you are saying, I also felt like this after finishing the game, no other game has made me feel bad for restarting everything over again after a happy ending, it's almost as if the game was alive, Undertale is truly something special.
Especially because there are a few characters that know every choice you made, and detect or remember portions of your choices when you go back because the timelines and choices are valuable pieces to the outcome of different areas (if that made any sense). And it makes you feel more like they are real people
+Joshogunyan that's what my thought are like. i feel like I'm slowly going insane because it's been a few months and I still keep thinking about it. I'm getting closer to resetting the game with each day as I stop feeling as bad as I did before slowly, turning on my game just to stare at the screen and turn it off again. i don't know when it will be but I know I'm going to replay the game no matter how horrible I feel afterwards and that's what makes me afraid. "you can't imagine knowing what it feels like. knowing that it's all going to reset" is what made me think that I really can't understand it and truth be told, once I reset again I'm going to be scared. i know what's going to happen and yet I'm always going to be afraid because the game feels like it's alive, it makes you believe as a player that someone will come up and just ask "why did you take away our happy ending?". i felt like crying when I wrote this and I know you probably don't care but I don't know anyone who has a passion for undertale like I do and I'm hoping that as a fellow undertale fan you will understand.
I haven't had any issue letting game characters go as long as the story arc closes. And in Undertale, it goes even farther than that, because Flowey in a Pacifist Route tells you that they'll be fine, and because you don't True Reset, you know that perfect timeline will continue without you. And Frisk will continue with their friends the way it's supposed to be. The issue starts when you did a Geno-Pacifist ending. Because then it confirms you that Chara will destroy everything and reset so they can do that again in an endless, hellish loop. And there's nothing you can do about it. You may leave the game, but they'll continue suffering as they're trapped in there with them. And there's no way to save them. You fucked up.
I don't need to know what happens after Undertale. There's no questioning that. I don't need an Undertale sequel. I'd really love a prequel though... Many interesting things happened before you even accepted the fallen human's name and started the game.
+3l H4ck3r C0mf0r7 My roleplayer never understood why people were so focused on making Alternate Universes, changes the characters personalities in so many manners...when they had 7 explorable characters open to them if they just went back in time.
Misanthropic! Chara To me, if I find a good AU, I'll read it without linking it to the game at all. Many AUs feel better to me as I ignore the way things go in the main game. Rarely an AU becomes my headcanon. A case of this is DreemurrReborn's storyline, and a theory of my own where Sans and Papyrus are pieces of Gaster, along with the many other pieces scattered through time and space, and that he's the true first human, not Chara.
3l H4ck3r C0mf0r7 Hmm...how to frame this? I think you have misunderstood. They (my roleplayer) never assumed that others were taking it as a headcanon. And they do enjoy some Alternate Universe stories and comics, such as LoverOfPiggies' Error!Tale. It's important to seperate the difference between the AU's and regular fanfiction, though. Fanfiction has a tendency to explore features within the series. That's the point of fanfiction. So hypothesis such as Sans & Papyrus being parts of Gaster...They are not Alternate Universes in the true sense. They are a possibility that has not been dismissed by the game nor Toby Fox. Other things, such as "What ifs..?" are also normal to such fanfiction. An example would be Frisk giving their soul to Asriel. Those are not Alternate Universes, not in the original sense. In the Disney Fandom, would considering Tarzan to be the lost brother of Elsa and Anna be an AU? No, it wouldn't. It's merely speculation. But the Undertale fandom would misuse AU for that purpose, as you have just done. What my roleplayer is referring to are the literal Alternate Universes: Underswap, Underfell. These aren't speculation; they are actual distortions of characters' personalities. To use the Disney fandom again, Underswap would be like giving Elsa Anna's bubbly personality; or perhaps trading Cinderella's lack of determination for Aurora's bravery. Or if we're talking about Underfell, then making them all gothic and edgy. Those are *alternate universes*. Having clarified my definition, I'll be as brief with my roleplayers question as I can: "Why are people so focused on changing around characters personalities instead of playing with the universe they've been given? The obvious route was to take the SOULs colors and make tons of OCs. Like what bronies do with cutie marks. What on Earth happened? Why did it take this strange route? I feel like I'm living in an AU!"
Misanthropic! Chara If it hasn't even been mentioned, it doesn't have to mean it happened. Creating an entire universe around this "what if" essentialy creates what you call an AU. Error!Tale has a classic UT universe in LoverofPiggies's multiverse. So it adds to Undertale itself, which didn't ever talk about multiverses in that way, so it's not necessarily ruled out, yet... It's an AU.
I say the video game dimension is a real thing. My friends and I always referred to the video game dimension of our own imagination as the pixel dimension. Don't judge too harshly, but I always like to think my favorite shows and games are actually real and do exist, but like most things in this universe, hasn't been discovered dimension to dimension yet.
***** YAY! I'm actually making an RPGMaker game that discusses it a bit. In that game, I refer to them as "alternate digital worlds" (I have a 15 minute demo on my channel if u want 2 check it out, but if u don't that's fine 2 ^u^")
*wears nerd glasses* umm.. so there are 2 theories: the multiverse theory and the omniverse theory. If these theories are true, it means thet outside our universe are a HUGE amount of other universes all inside our multiverse and a HUGE amount of multiverses inside one omniverse. Also there's a third theory going with these two: The infinite universe theory. If all these three are correct, the total amount of universes in omniverse is infinite, which would mean *if it goes with the laws of the universe, multiverse and omniverse, everything is real.* *takes of glasses* isn't it just great °u°
Yeah, Undertale has an incredibly satisfying ending. I really love the idea of allowing you to chat with everyone for a bit; Earthbound and Paper Mario, two of Toby's inspirations, do this as well. But even if the ending is satisfying, when that big 'the end' appears I always have this sense of loss and loneliness.
I always felt like I'd continue to carry the stories and characters that kind of "touched me", or not, in some way. Now it feels as if these things had been always with me and, even if I forget them, what I am will remain, since they formed part of me at some point, leaving a trace of how they changed me.
Yes, yes, YES; I'm so glad that you understand this feeling as well. It's so hard for me to express this to someone who doesn't understand, but I'm so glad that you understand the feeling and I couldn't have said it better myself. I honestly dropped a tear. Thank you so much for this video. ♡
Undertale is one of those things that never really die Even after you finished the game you can engage into the fandom And when the fandom is no more,it will still be in history,or at least in your heart Undertale dies....when everyone dies
I feel like the No Mercy perspective should also be observed. If one was to observe this game from the perspective of a typical RPG, then Chara's final words pretty much sum up how one moves on from a game: - Now. - Now we have reached the absolute. - There is nothing left for us here. - Let us erase this pointless world, and move on to the next. "There is nothing left for us here". We move on from games because we have experienced all they have to offer, and must find new experiences.
I get that a lot with any sort of immersive experience, especially anime. after such an experience, I would have trouble integrating into normal life, as weird as it is to say it like that. it's just like you remember that there is a world out there, you live in it, and events happen in it. it's just a very awkward feeling, and thankfully it doesn't last long, but I've dubbed it Finale Shock.
You know what makes me happy is undertale, when i feel sad i think about undertale, i freed all then monster all the monster live with me on the Surface, all the kid and teen monsters are studying in my school and for me undertale is very real like for undyne anime but still somewhere deep down i know that these are not real but still it makes me happy and i love undertale before i started playing undertale I hope everyone would like my story about undertale
To leave Undertale behind was even somewhat uplifting. You see, the world is saved and everything turned out in a way that the characters really seemed to enjoy. Flowey/Asriel even hopes you don't simply reset the timeline and bring all the poor things back into the misery that they had to endure for so long. I don't even want to reset the game anymore. Mother 3 did the same to me, everyone tells you - the player- that the'll be fine and even wish you the best luck for your endeavours in real life, even going so far that they tell the world to be good to you. Then, before the Credit rolls starts to play out everyone you saved says goodbye and then its done.
This video encompasses a feeling I've never been able to explain. It's an extension of empathy, and compassion, in an odd way.. I've never known anyone to feel the same way. I'm happy to know someone else out there does, and Undertale has done the same thing for him. Thank you for talking about this- I know it sounds silly, but it really meant a lot to me in a way that's hard to describe. Thank you.
You know I can tell you that Undertale is a game I legitimately cried over. After I finished the game the first time it filled me with so many feelings. Many bad feelings sadness, disappointment, regret, and an empty feeling I get every time I think about how we couldn't save Asriel. Many good feelings as well integrity, happiness, love, compassion, and higher sense of morality. I'm very glad I decided to play this game, but I feel...incomplete.
I EXTREMELY like these videos, and this channel was the channel that introduced me to Undertale further. I always feel like I'm a part of a helping hand, no matter what, in real life, or in games. I'm rooting for you, though! I feel as though I wondered as though what happens when you leave a game. But, the real tear-jerker for me was when Asriel said, "Take care of mom and dad for me, ok?" That really got me when I was recording. I said, "Here come the feels!", and started crying when I realized that Toriel and Asgore were married, but then divorced for some reason. Asriel grew on me, for some reason, even though he was mean towards everyone, he said that one line, and it felt as though it was over, my whole adventure was said and done. But, just wanted to say, I'm rooting for you, hope you become one of the most popular theorists out there. Keep it up! -Written with lots of determination, hopes, and dreams, Mrboogieboy100
I still wish there was some way of saving Asriel. Not just redeeming him. He was such a nice and kind goat kid. His actions as Flowey were because he didn't have a soul, and Flowey even stated how hard he tried to feel the emotions for his parents despite that. That made me feel for even Flowey. Made me wish deep inside that he didn't have to become a flower again.
I just have to say that I really enjoy your videos. As someone who watches a lot of gaming videos, yours stand out as one of the few gaming related videos that come across as very calm and... trying to find a second word... clean? I hate to sound so negative, but many youtube channels about gaming feel like they're full of chaos and tons of swearing, and over time I find that stuff really loses its appeal. Keep doing what you do, you're great at it.
I share your feelings about Undertale as well Swanky. For a long time now I had not really felt much from all the games I had played, sure I felt excitement and satisfaction when playing through Metal Gear Rising on revengence mode and the world of Dark Souls and Bloodborne always keep me interested in them but none of them actually made me truly care about the world or the characters in it. UT managed to make me feel the way about it's world like how I used to feel about game worlds when I was a kid. I was, and still am, completely invested in the world of UT and to me it is a real thing because even though the game itself is over I will always carry the world and it's characters with me.
I don't think it counts,but Homestuck was a beautiful journey. I was one of those people who remembered Homestuck from Undertale. I beat Undertale somewhere in October,and got sad since there was nothing left of Undertale,and I knew I couldn't do genocide. But then I realized that Toby Fox sounded familiar. I looked up Toby Fox,and scrolled through some Undertale junk. Till I found a link to the Homestuck music site. I listened to some songs,and as I went on,some of them were really familiar. Then I find the page to Homestuck. I was sent to a random page,a page not too far in. More then 100 though. Then I clicked "Start Over" since I had no idea what was going on. "A young boy stands in his bedroom...." Ahh,the first words.Those first amazing words. Anyways,I continued on. I made it though the flashes,pages,and gifts. Then I got addicted after [S] Cascade. I made it through Act 6,and was sad at [S] Game Over,thinking it was the end. Then came [S] Collide. I was amazed how much work..
Was put into this. 7 years,7 YEARS of Homestuck was made. Then came Act 7. I was never so sad my life to when I clicked the arrow. To see the words... THE END I sat there,for minutes trying to think what just happened in those 2 months I spent reading Homestuck. 2 Months. 2 months well spent. After that,after ALL that,I sat there. And I though. What just happened? Gamzee and Calliborn and.... No,I can't. But. BUT! There is still Hiveswap. (Don't worry that is just a joke) So I went outside. And I thought about their lives.
This video is extremely relatable. I found this in a lot of games I played growing up and even now, seeing the friends you made and adventures you had all end in credits is emotional and I honestly really do feel empty after finishing a game. A lot of games had done this for me, especially games where there's no end game. Games like Fire Emblem Awakening and Undertale offered this. I felt empty realising my adventure and experiances had come to an end and I honestly wandered what would happen next and sadly there were honestly not many answers. Only video games can offer these emotions, movies and music can only go to a certain part of my emotions. This is honestly why Undertale made me questions what I was striving for as it all comes to an end sadly very quickly...
I actually don't think the world "disappears" when you close the game. I actually have a vague theory about timelines being connections of ideas which are organized by our minds as events, with the ability of being reproduced as ideas they are, and as such, creating new timelines. Consider this. Toby Fox created Undertale, hence creating the "original" timelines. In his mind reside the "true" versions of Frisk, Chara, Sans, Papyrus, Toriel and so on, and their first derivatives as well (since he designed the game with various routes with many possibilites that he had to think about). As he was developing, "living" those experiences, he went copying them into the game, doing constant feedback between his mind and the game, creating new timelines with the new changes each time. When the final timelines have been created, fulfilling the desires of the creator, these are released to the public in the form of a "video game", which is actually a way to "reproduce" the necessary steps for creating a new timeline on others' minds. The game itself can't do anything, it has no life, it's just some bunch of zeros and ones, which a computer use to generate some lights and sounds, respond to keys being pressed, etc. So, when a new game begins, the people who are playing it are interpreting the computer's input and creating a _new_ timeline based on what the game's giving them. When the game changes the rules, the player accepts (and this is important, "accepts") to modify their version of the timeline according to these changes. Then, when the game is over, you still do carry on that timeline, but *you decide what happens to it*. If you decide not to modify it because the changes are not reflected in the game, then it will be kept freezed, being this is the most usual choice. If you _do_ decide to modify it, however, it will. This is what happens with fanfics and other kinds of fan-made content, which is always derived from the players' _experiences_, the personal timelines, and not from the game itself. Keep in mind though, if you come back to the game and find that new events happened that contradict your new version, you will probably end up creating a new "forked" timeline and discarding the "bad" version of the timeline. So, I think that the world had _never_ been in the game. It was actually living on our minds, being developed on them as we reproduced the game like "thoughts & feelings' machines", and the game is an intermediary for the world to develop. You may think I am crazy, but I think these worlds are absolutely as real as our physical environments - however, they depend on ourselves, they cannot exist outside of one's mind (they can only be copied, forked to others' minds), making them fully rely on our memory, and they have no physical form either - which makes them as isolated from the game as we want, but also won't translate into actually having a chat with Sans on how solid the backbone of my theory is, for instance. Oh well, I apologize for writing such a long comment, I just threw away all of my thoughts subconciously (I'm tired, it's midnight here, right now). Don't take it too seriously - if you don't like it, just go away, this is just some weird metaphysical stuff, and we all know metaphysical stuff is dumb. If you do, however, I'm glad I gave you a new perspective on this subject.
OMG! Stap the music, this was the music that made me cry in-game, OH GAWD Here they come.... Undertale was one of the greatest games Ive ever played, the story is rich, the music is awesome,and you become so connected with this game its hard to not like it. Being connected with the characters is one thing, but you FEEL for them, you feel like you know them and its such an emotional journey, that you never want it to end. But when it does, it doesn't. It goes on in our hearts the feelings, the, just EVERYTHING. The game only ends when we want it to. Thank you Toby for making this game. Its been a long journey come to an end, but the journey itself, was amazing.
This video practically describes exactly what I'm feeling right now. I am about to do the genocide run, but there is two things stopping me. One, I just did true pacifist, and I'm going to feel terrible for taking that away from all the characters when I reset. Two, I don't want Undertale to end.
I got very worried when I saw the title of this video, because I thought that your channel was going to do theories on films/TV shows, and not video games. Additionally, I really enjoyed this video and completely agree with you. Whenever I don't play Animal Crossing or Tomodachi life for a while, I can barely force myself to continue playing because of the guilt I feel.
SwankyBox Same... Have you played or ever heard of "A Bird Story"? I think that one's pretty good as well. It's not as long (took me 70 minutes to play through) but I think it's still a pretty heartfelt game...
I'm always sad when a good game ends, you get to know and love (or sometimes love to hate) the characters in them. It's like saying goodbye to a friend for the last time
I mean WHO DOES THAT? who waits for someone for a whole DECADE? Oh wait..... VIDEO GAME CHARATERS LIKE FLOWEY/ASRIEL/CHERI, OR CHARATERS WHO BREAK THE FOURTH WALL
I understand the feelings you have for these games, and I empathise. If it's any sort of consolation, there is an Undertale fanime called Newtale being planned/made at the moment, if you want to stay tuned for that.
SwankyBox I know the feeling. The good part is that the game is so addicting, and I have replayed it 24 times. Yes, a full on 24, and I'm currently going through my 25th play.
When I leave a game behind, it was always bittersweet with me. I filled my role, I parted ways, and I shed tears... But with Undertale I was fine leaving the game, I knew they didn't need me to be happy, so with no input, I watch from my computer screen, and watch the Undertale community create a world for them, and I was happy. I knew they didn't need me, they have each other.
I get that feeling definitely with not only video games but also some movies/anime/tv shows. You become so attached to that world and characters that you want to know everything about them. Wish you could speak to them and get to know them or at least share another adventure. You long and crave for anything more because you care so much. It makes have mixed feelings of happy and depressed. Happy to think back to those silly moments and characters. Depressed because I miss it and wish I can continue it in some way I did not before. All I can do now is share that with others and live vicariously through them...
+SwankyBox do a theory on is determination is a good and evil/dangerous use cause when u save ur progress on the pacifist run it would be ex: the flowing wind fills u with determination , but on the genocide route it says when u save ur game progress determination (with red writing)
Holy shit dude, I've had these thoughts in my head for so long and you just perfectly articulated them for me. It's such an interesting topic that I think is hardly ever talked about.
+Guy Nemo the story of Dark Souls is incredibly vague. I haven't figured it out myself, but if you want someone who has at least one answer, I would recommend checking out either VaatiVydia or EpicNameBro.
+Guy Nemo Well that's pretty ignorant you dense Dan. The story is really amazing if you have the ability to piece it together, and actually pay attention to things and learn them for yourself. It's a game where they down outright tell you the whole damn history of the universe, it's kind of like real life, where you have to research and ask around to get in on things. But holy fuck you made me cringe Emo
+Rayanist ' how am I a dunce for simply asking a question, the developers has even came forward and said they will pay an amount of money for someone to actually explain the story to them, just about everyone who has played all of the soul series can vaguely explain what the story is about. so tell me what is the story about I'm genuinely asking?
yes,yes i have swanky, this all happened on my nintendos, old devices, wiis, and others. after some time, when i love to restore and play memories from the way past, back to 1997-2009, the progress is heartbreaking to me, it happens everytime, thats every way we feel when we leave things behind
Hyper Light Drifter. It's an amazing and moving title, especially for one that lacks words. Throughout the game you are only guided by visuals and there is no text to read. They do a superb job at telling an emotional story without words, and it was definitely one of my favorite releases this year.
+SwankyBox this is honestly one of the most true and relevant videos I have ever seen. I've always felt guilty about leaving a game such as any animal crossing game or pet simulator, so it's good to know that others feel this same way.
I'm like that too. Especially with games I've loved. But technically speaking, we do know how their lives go... at least, through other's imaginations. All the fanart, all the comics, all the videos of different game series that people love, and stories that continue the plot, even if it's not official, still gives us more fun times with the characters we love. And not just everyone else, but we ourselves can make our own stories. The freedom to imagine and put that thought on paper or video for others to see is something I love about media as a whole. ...I know I'm rambling, but you get the point. Even when the story's over, it's never truly over.
Only about ~40-50% of UT's fanbase is bad. The other part/half isn't as bad as people make it to be (talented artists, remixes, fanfictions, legitimate theories, etc.) It most certainly isn't as bad as FNAF nor do I think it will ever reach that point
Oh my gosh- you have NO idea how true this is with me. Like, after every single game, I wonder what happens after the end-- mainly what the characters do after the end.
Honestly, Undertale is one of the few games that I'll never forget. A lot of people will just forget about games after beating them. But for me, this game has a special place in my heart, and it's never leaving. I can happily say that this is one fandom that I call my home.
Huh, this video put feelings I didn't know how to express into words. You know what? This is going into my private "good reference videos" playlist. It deserves as much.
Undertale was the first game I had played that made me cry multiple times from both sadness and joy and moved me so much I can't listen to His Theme without almost crying and while I am sad to have to leave the game behind in the true pacifist ending, I wouldn't want to tear the characters I love so much away from their happy ending as Flowey explains.
Whenever games ended, I often think about the possibilities of what the inhabitants of the game world could be doing without me, despite their code ending as soon as the credits come to a close. I never really believed the idea that the world starts when I start the game, and the world ends when I quit the game. I always believed that the game world went on without me. Now I'm horribly sad because I think back to all the other adventures I had in the years I played video games. All those good and bad times. The nostalgia is real. ;-; (Also, subbed because I love your videos! The topics you talk about are very interesting :D)
This video actually got me a little emotional and thinking, because I absolutely loved Undertale, and it sucked to see it end, and after it ended I was really wondering what the characters would do with their lives after the game.
The end of the pacifist run made me cry. It was sadness (Asriel hugging frisk and leaving) and happiness (everyone got to the surface). I think that the thing that hit me the hardest was Asriel's music playing at the end, which reminded you that there was just one person you couldn't save.
I'm scared with things like these, the thought of getting attached to an object that you make it an inspiration. Then would come a day that something new comes up and you forget it even though you wouldn't want to. I wouldn't want that to happen to a story, a game or a movie.
This is close to what happened with me and Kingdom Hearts. I finished Kingdom Hearts 1 when I was 4 (I have NO idea how I can't even beat it now and I'm 14), and KH2 when I was 6, and then didn't play them again for 7 years (mostly because I couldn't find any copies of them and I lost mine). I had vague memories of the games, but it wasn't like other games. It wasn't "oh hey, I remember this cool thing I did in Mario when I was 4", it was more like something that actually happened to me, that I was trying to remember. I can't really explain it, but it's like no other game I've played. Except one. Undertale.
I don't always think about what happens in the story after the game ends, but in most cases, I do. At least a passing thought crosses my mind, thinking about where the story may lead or what the next adventure could entail. I hope Toby makes more games. Not talking about Undertale sequels, but more games as in more fun adventures in perhaps another world that he pours his heart and soul into.
When I played Undertale, I got so engrossed that when I finally got the true pacifist end, I couldn't bring myself to possibly try for another pathway. Instead, I go and check my save file every now and then, just to see the Underground empty, knowing that everyone is happy and enjoying themselves on the surface. Sappy, I guess...
UT left a great impression on me. It was just one of those games that hit me good. I haven't played a game like this in a long time that me love all the characters. Toby did such a good job with how the music fits every mood and even hit me deep down. The thing is i leave behind most games that I beat and move on. But with Undertale I dont 'wanna do that. I wanna keep it in my heart forever
I always thought I was the only one who felt this. But when you really think about it isnt life just like this? You meet hundreds of people through your entire life and alot of them you never even see again. Its a sad thought. All that time you spent with that person just gone. Your happy to have the memories you already have made but it still feels awful. The feeling of letting go and moveing on yourself.
well for me leaving a game is hard but remember the adventurers you had in those games and remember those games had a place in your hearts. well goodbye and have a good day.
Yes, i fell happy and sad at the same time when i finish a game with an such a amazing story, but i know when it's time to move on when you grew up a little in your heart with it, i left undertale after i learned about the power of friendship and determination.
I got an interesting feeling finishing Phantom Pain. That game went on so long, and I spent so much time gathering resources and building up Mother Base, but when I was getting toward the end, I knew that gathering resources didn't matter anymore. This video reminds me of something Michael said once on Vsauce: When a game or a movie ends, characters can walk off into the sunset and the credits will roll, but in real life, after you walk into the sunset, you have to go home.
you made me sad man i tried to find a game i havent played in a long time then after this video i wondered how sad i got to the end then how my spirit died after i did everything you get a sub and a like for making me remember every game i played that i abandon after i reached the ending
I actually wrote a creative writing piece about this very topic back in high school. As you would probably expect, it was about a kid getting attached to characters in a game but then feeling alone when he finally beats it. I remember that whenever there was a character I really liked in a game I would always try to get as much dialogue out of them as possible, just to get that little bit more out of them
The feeling is sad to give up fun on a game or in other words to leave the game behind. The depressing feeling can come to all of us, because we’ve experienced the game before, but the second experience ins’t the same. And to know the characters can feel happy or sad that we left them. To progress can feel good, but to end something is sad... except homework. This is the depressing feeling of playing a game and then you have to get to the part where you end it.
Gah, hit me right in the feels bringing up my fears of what happens at the end of my pokemon games when I stop playing them and move on to the next generation
I always feel really sort of empty when finishing a game, especially if it didn't end in a way that allowed full closure. The Portal games did this a fair amount because you never really know what Chell will do or find after becoming free. I loved Undertale for the same reasons you said here, and was really happy in the pacifist ending credits when you get to see what all the monsters do next. That's something games rarely do and you're not left wondering if the monsters even got accepted by other humans. But still, I took that walk you get to take to say goodbye to everyone, and it felt weirdly almost the same as I had every time I moved on from one school to the next growing up. All happy and proud yet nostalgic and a little sad. Damn games like that are good at bringing out emotions.
UNDERTALE has hit me hard. it's like any game That has Lore or just a fantastic story, I relate everything to undertale and kinda can't let it go I am truly sad that it's over but happy it happened
When I played this, I had similar ideas. I saw the fandom do some amazingly creative, and sometimes amazingly cliché things with it. I was conflicted as hell about what to do with that, but at that point I did realize something. The fandom was keeping this little game alive, with a dose of passion I almost never saw before. Although I felt some of the stuff the fandom made was in risk of killing itself, I loved it to death and wanted to be part of it. These people gave these characters additions to their personality, making them even more "alive". I realize these characters can be seen as a part of all the people involved, and existing as much as we make them. They had personality traits that were amplified versions of things we would want or could relate to, in a sense completing us. I think since this is all part of multiple people, a game or a fictional thing may be considered even more real and living than some people at certain points. Doing a Mettaton impression in a let's play I did made me feel more alive than ever, and made me feel like I was that character. These characters are more unique than most actual people I've met. That it's fictional doesn't mean it's real. This stuff is a beautiful reflection of everything we want and are, and I think we should embrace it with all we have.
everyone is moving on so quickly artists, channels, tumblr.. lol...and im here like..im not ready for this to end im not ready to say goodbye *cries* everyone is leaving me behind i dont want to be alone
Leaving RuneScape behind has been one of the most difficult things I have done. Almost every offline game stops as soon as you quit. Meanwhile, RuneScape is always being updated and changed in ways you don't expect. It feels like the game is moving on without you! ...Wait, there's a RuneScape 3? ****!
that line from sans when I was so anxious to replay the game to get another ending, where he says "leave frisk to live their life, they are happy now". that really struck me. i felt bad resetting the game, even this planned programmed dialogue had me questioning myself XD Undertale truly is a different game
*Flowey
Big T. Larrity it was flowey? woops, thanks for the correction
Undertale does have alot of lessons and makes you feel guilty when you do the wrong choice such as genocide or resetting.
lightsen
IKRRRR
It’s like u do genocide when u get to Flowey at the end
Flowey:WELL F U
I'm going to be honest; I'm scared of watching this video. I know it's going to articulate exactly what I've felt since I was just a kid. And it'll make me cry.
Even before I could articulate what it really was, when I was just a dumb kid mashing buttons, I'd always been afraid of the feeling that came with completing something, anything, and leaving it for good.. I could never let myself settle for too long after finishing a book or a game or a movie or whatever; it was always onto the next trend or passion pit I could sink hours of my life into. I'd convince myself that this obsession was special, that I would play this game or remember that movie forever until I'd lose interest and move on, find another "irreplaceable" passion. One day I'll lose interest in Undertale, and that scares me. For me, its like losing a part of what makes you you; saying goodbye to these characters that have changed your life. And I don't want to leave them behind.
I don't want to let go.
I feel the same way too
Me too, i hope for a sequel
Yeah... Undertale really found it's way into all of our hearts...
+skittles gamer There might be pain involved in leaving a game behind, but you shouldn't let that deter you from loving a game ever again. The joy you'll experience from playing a truly beloved game will always outweigh that feeling of loss.
I'm exactly like this! my passions go in phases and I'm afraid that one day even Undertale will be replaced by another obsession like all the others. however I do believe I will always love this game even if I move on from it. all the passions I had before still hold a special p.ace in my heart even if I'm not obsessed with them anymore.
I'm one of those people who get way to emotionally attached to characters after the smallest amount of time. If it 10 minutes of gameplay, or just an episode of something.
SAME HERE.
Same. I'm also one of those kinds of people who really throws myself into a game. For me, it's my adventure in a world - saving Hyrule, catching Pokemon, etc.
+Haru Bell Yeah,i throw myself into a game often. Games like Omega Ruby can be replayed,but when I beat the elite 4,i had undescribable emotions,and was extremely happy that after the Elite 4,i could get starters from other regions,and I could catch Rayquaza and Deoxys. Even though my deoxys had crap IVs.
SAME
Again here. Mostly RPGs though
Did anyone else thrive within the worlds of games and wonder what happened after the game ended? I used to dwell on this stuff all the time.
I do this with almost every game with no sequel
I definitely did. one game that really made wonder that was Tales of Symphonia. Until the sequel came out, and didn't exactly impress me.
hm, I have thought about it. Maybe the world is even stronger than the rest of the Undertale gang and Frisk?
like a DBZ thing. Goku and the Z fighters going from Earth to Namek. A large power increase.
although that's only for Undertale. Personally I do think about the ending of a game and think of something similar to the DBZ thing, them advancing and getting better.
are u gonna stop doing undertale videos
In my opinion, Undertale never ends unless we make it end.
If we end, Undertale will end.
If we continue to talk about it, Undertale will continue.
Since Undertale is a game that revolves around Timelines, there are many stories to tell.
Underswap, Mafiatale, Underfell, Underline.
All those AU's are still part of the game.
We continue the story in our own way.
With new Characters, new settings and new enviroments to explore.
Undertale is a game that invites the players in and allows them to make their own adventure.
If we stop making our own adventure, Undertale finally comes to a halt.
Nice video Swanky, really nice.
Well said
I AGREE
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i agree whit you
That was a really nice thing to type.
I didn't want Undertale to finish, it was too amazing to leave behind, all the relationships, the battles. I wish it could continue forever.
RESET XD
There needs to be a sequel but it may not be so now I'm uppsetti
+Anon_ a guy is doing a fan game of a sequel of undertale and the demo looks really really cool
a sequel? can I have the link please!
WOA! Calm down, the sequel haven't been released yet, it's still being made, it's just gonna be released in 2017 i think, or they will cancel it. But you still can play the demo, if you find it....
Years ago I lost my DS with Nintendogs on it. Nintendogs is kinda like Animal Crossing because the game keeps going in real time. I can't help but think sometimes about my 3 dogs abandoned in my DS, not being fed, not being walked.
+Jacob Hollingsworth ETERNAL SUFFERING
OMG I DID THE EXACT SAME THING AND I FEEL SO BAD ABOUT IT
+SkipperKippz456 OMG SAMEEE That game was literally my childhood QAQ
Trust me, this made me want to visit my dog again, but I lost my DSI but then I found it, and visited him. I hope you can find your DS's and your games to visit your dogs.
I killed him whit water :v (My Digital Dog)
I totally understand what you are saying, I also felt like this after finishing the game, no other game has made me feel bad for restarting everything over again after a happy ending, it's almost as if the game was alive, Undertale is truly something special.
Especially because there are a few characters that know every choice you made, and detect or remember portions of your choices when you go back because the timelines and choices are valuable pieces to the outcome of different areas (if that made any sense). And it makes you feel more like they are real people
+Laully Exactly
I agree, I want to play the game again, but in the back of my mind, I'm thinking "I can't set them free and then take away their happy ending AGAIN"
+Joshogunyan That's exaclty what I am thinking, like the game makes you feel like they are alive.
+Joshogunyan that's what my thought are like. i feel like I'm slowly going insane because it's been a few months and I still keep thinking about it. I'm getting closer to resetting the game with each day as I stop feeling as bad as I did before slowly, turning on my game just to stare at the screen and turn it off again. i don't know when it will be but I know I'm going to replay the game no matter how horrible I feel afterwards and that's what makes me afraid. "you can't imagine knowing what it feels like. knowing that it's all going to reset" is what made me think that I really can't understand it and truth be told, once I reset again I'm going to be scared. i know what's going to happen and yet I'm always going to be afraid because the game feels like it's alive, it makes you believe as a player that someone will come up and just ask "why did you take away our happy ending?". i felt like crying when I wrote this and I know you probably don't care but I don't know anyone who has a passion for undertale like I do and I'm hoping that as a fellow undertale fan you will understand.
i can't leave undertale behind,i'm not ready
+im salt that's even harder i can't kill those guys it would be sad if i killed them
You're not alone
I've got an idea, do the genocide ending, I did it and enjoyed it...
You didn't hear anything
+Swagmaster696 696 I also DID ENJOY the Geno Route
Bro grow the F up
I haven't had any issue letting game characters go as long as the story arc closes. And in Undertale, it goes even farther than that, because Flowey in a Pacifist Route tells you that they'll be fine, and because you don't True Reset, you know that perfect timeline will continue without you. And Frisk will continue with their friends the way it's supposed to be. The issue starts when you did a Geno-Pacifist ending. Because then it confirms you that Chara will destroy everything and reset so they can do that again in an endless, hellish loop. And there's nothing you can do about it. You may leave the game, but they'll continue suffering as they're trapped in there with them. And there's no way to save them. You fucked up.
I don't need to know what happens after Undertale. There's no questioning that.
I don't need an Undertale sequel.
I'd really love a prequel though... Many interesting things happened before you even accepted the fallen human's name and started the game.
+3l H4ck3r C0mf0r7 My roleplayer never understood why people were so focused on making Alternate Universes, changes the characters personalities in so many manners...when they had 7 explorable characters open to them if they just went back in time.
Misanthropic! Chara To me, if I find a good AU, I'll read it without linking it to the game at all. Many AUs feel better to me as I ignore the way things go in the main game.
Rarely an AU becomes my headcanon. A case of this is DreemurrReborn's storyline, and a theory of my own where Sans and Papyrus are pieces of Gaster, along with the many other pieces scattered through time and space, and that he's the true first human, not Chara.
3l H4ck3r C0mf0r7 Hmm...how to frame this? I think you have misunderstood. They (my roleplayer) never assumed that others were taking it as a headcanon. And they do enjoy some Alternate Universe stories and comics, such as LoverOfPiggies' Error!Tale.
It's important to seperate the difference between the AU's and regular fanfiction, though.
Fanfiction has a tendency to explore features within the series. That's the point of fanfiction. So hypothesis such as Sans & Papyrus being parts of Gaster...They are not Alternate Universes in the true sense. They are a possibility that has not been dismissed by the game nor Toby Fox.
Other things, such as "What ifs..?" are also normal to such fanfiction. An example would be Frisk giving their soul to Asriel.
Those are not Alternate Universes, not in the original sense.
In the Disney Fandom, would considering Tarzan to be the lost brother of Elsa and Anna be an AU? No, it wouldn't. It's merely speculation. But the Undertale fandom would misuse AU for that purpose, as you have just done.
What my roleplayer is referring to are the literal Alternate Universes: Underswap, Underfell. These aren't speculation; they are actual distortions of characters' personalities. To use the Disney fandom again, Underswap would be like giving Elsa Anna's bubbly personality; or perhaps trading Cinderella's lack of determination for Aurora's bravery. Or if we're talking about Underfell, then making them all gothic and edgy. Those are *alternate universes*.
Having clarified my definition, I'll be as brief with my roleplayers question as I can:
"Why are people so focused on changing around characters personalities instead of playing with the universe they've been given? The obvious route was to take the SOULs colors and make tons of OCs. Like what bronies do with cutie marks. What on Earth happened? Why did it take this strange route? I feel like I'm living in an AU!"
Misanthropic! Chara If it hasn't even been mentioned, it doesn't have to mean it happened. Creating an entire universe around this "what if" essentialy creates what you call an AU. Error!Tale has a classic UT universe in LoverofPiggies's multiverse. So it adds to Undertale itself, which didn't ever talk about multiverses in that way, so it's not necessarily ruled out, yet... It's an AU.
I say the video game dimension is a real thing.
My friends and I always referred to the video game dimension of our own imagination as the pixel dimension.
Don't judge too harshly, but I always like to think my favorite shows and games are actually real and do exist, but like most things in this universe, hasn't been discovered dimension to dimension yet.
I HAVE FOUND SOMEONE WHO THINKS LIKE ME!!!
+SkipperKippz456
:) fwiends!
***** YAY!
I'm actually making an RPGMaker game that discusses it a bit. In that game, I refer to them as "alternate digital worlds" (I have a 15 minute demo on my channel if u want 2 check it out, but if u don't that's fine 2 ^u^")
*wears nerd glasses*
umm.. so there are 2 theories: the multiverse theory and the omniverse theory.
If these theories are true, it means thet outside our universe are a HUGE amount of other universes all inside our multiverse and a HUGE amount of multiverses inside one omniverse.
Also there's a third theory going with these two: The infinite universe theory.
If all these three are correct, the total amount of universes in omniverse is infinite, which would mean *if it goes with the laws of the universe, multiverse and omniverse, everything is real.*
*takes of glasses*
isn't it just great °u°
Well, we have something in common.
Yeah, Undertale has an incredibly satisfying ending. I really love the idea of allowing you to chat with everyone for a bit; Earthbound and Paper Mario, two of Toby's inspirations, do this as well. But even if the ending is satisfying, when that big 'the end' appears I always have this sense of loss and loneliness.
A decade of waiting in the same spot to talk to you? Damn.
That's true love right there. :p
I calculated he was a month awa from 13 years
12 and 5/6 years in that one spot. What did she eat? All those conveniently-placed weeds? But that's a bear! WTF Nintendo!?
Unparalleled Spaghettore Bears are omnivores tho
after the credits,it shows the Undertale characters living out their life on the surface.
"Just because it's fiction doesn't mean it's any less true." - Jodi Picoult
I always felt like I'd continue to carry the stories and characters that kind of "touched me", or not, in some way. Now it feels as if these things had been always with me and, even if I forget them, what I am will remain, since they formed part of me at some point, leaving a trace of how they changed me.
Yes, yes, YES; I'm so glad that you understand this feeling as well. It's so hard for me to express this to someone who doesn't understand, but I'm so glad that you understand the feeling and I couldn't have said it better myself. I honestly dropped a tear. Thank you so much for this video. ♡
Very much the same here. More power to ya, buddy. x
I'm also glad to know there are other people who feel the same thing! Glad I could share the experience with you!
Undertale is one of those things that never really die
Even after you finished the game you can engage into the fandom
And when the fandom is no more,it will still be in history,or at least in your heart
Undertale dies....when everyone dies
I feel so sad after this video...
hell I am holding back my tears from this ):I fell the same as Him
Ryuga17 I need goat mum :c
i cry everytime i see this ;-;
sniff feels
TMLJ same
I feel like the No Mercy perspective should also be observed. If one was to observe this game from the perspective of a typical RPG, then Chara's final words pretty much sum up how one moves on from a game:
- Now.
- Now we have reached the absolute.
- There is nothing left for us here.
- Let us erase this pointless world, and move on to the next.
"There is nothing left for us here". We move on from games because we have experienced all they have to offer, and must find new experiences.
I get this with TV shows too sometimes
I'm with ya there, pally.
Not quite as much, but just about.
Yea
Full metal alchemist feels not wanting to let it go
I get that a lot with any sort of immersive experience, especially anime. after such an experience, I would have trouble integrating into normal life, as weird as it is to say it like that. it's just like you remember that there is a world out there, you live in it, and events happen in it. it's just a very awkward feeling, and thankfully it doesn't last long, but I've dubbed it Finale Shock.
+Pointless Comedy FMA is feels incarnate.
I could go as far as to say it's...
FEELMETAL ALCHEMIST
You know what makes me happy is undertale, when i feel sad i think about undertale, i freed all then monster all the monster live with me on the Surface, all the kid and teen monsters are studying in my school and for me undertale is very real like for undyne anime but still somewhere deep down i know that these are not real but still it makes me happy and i love undertale before i started playing undertale
I hope everyone would like my story about undertale
To leave Undertale behind was even somewhat uplifting. You see, the world is saved and everything turned out in a way that the characters really seemed to enjoy. Flowey/Asriel even hopes you don't simply reset the timeline and bring all the poor things back into the misery that they had to endure for so long. I don't even want to reset the game anymore.
Mother 3 did the same to me, everyone tells you - the player- that the'll be fine and even wish you the best luck for your endeavours in real life, even going so far that they tell the world to be good to you. Then, before the Credit rolls starts to play out everyone you saved says goodbye and then its done.
This video encompasses a feeling I've never been able to explain. It's an extension of empathy, and compassion, in an odd way.. I've never known anyone to feel the same way. I'm happy to know someone else out there does, and Undertale has done the same thing for him. Thank you for talking about this- I know it sounds silly, but it really meant a lot to me in a way that's hard to describe. Thank you.
You know I can tell you that Undertale is a game I legitimately cried over. After I finished the game the first time it filled me with so many feelings. Many bad feelings sadness, disappointment, regret, and an empty feeling I get every time I think about how we couldn't save Asriel. Many good feelings as well integrity, happiness, love, compassion, and higher sense of morality. I'm very glad I decided to play this game, but I feel...incomplete.
I EXTREMELY like these videos, and this channel was the channel that introduced me to Undertale further. I always feel like I'm a part of a helping hand, no matter what, in real life, or in games. I'm rooting for you, though! I feel as though I wondered as though what happens when you leave a game. But, the real tear-jerker for me was when Asriel said, "Take care of mom and dad for me, ok?" That really got me when I was recording. I said, "Here come the feels!", and started crying when I realized that Toriel and Asgore were married, but then divorced for some reason. Asriel grew on me, for some reason, even though he was mean towards everyone, he said that one line, and it felt as though it was over, my whole adventure was said and done.
But, just wanted to say, I'm rooting for you, hope you become one of the most popular theorists out there. Keep it up!
-Written with lots of determination, hopes, and dreams,
Mrboogieboy100
Thanks for the kind words! I appreciate the encouragement and will keep on striving to make great videos!
I still wish there was some way of saving Asriel. Not just redeeming him. He was such a nice and kind goat kid. His actions as Flowey were because he didn't have a soul, and Flowey even stated how hard he tried to feel the emotions for his parents despite that. That made me feel for even Flowey. Made me wish deep inside that he didn't have to become a flower again.
I just have to say that I really enjoy your videos.
As someone who watches a lot of gaming videos, yours stand out as one of the few gaming related videos that come across as very calm and... trying to find a second word... clean? I hate to sound so negative, but many youtube channels about gaming feel like they're full of chaos and tons of swearing, and over time I find that stuff really loses its appeal.
Keep doing what you do, you're great at it.
This means a lot to hear this. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me. I really appreciate the sincere comment.
=)
Dew Drops The Beat swearing is fun to do
Dew Drops The Beat chaos is fun
I share your feelings about Undertale as well Swanky. For a long time now I had not really felt much from all the games I had played, sure I felt excitement and satisfaction when playing through Metal Gear Rising on revengence mode and the world of Dark Souls and Bloodborne always keep me interested in them but none of them actually made me truly care about the world or the characters in it. UT managed to make me feel the way about it's world like how I used to feel about game worlds when I was a kid. I was, and still am, completely invested in the world of UT and to me it is a real thing because even though the game itself is over I will always carry the world and it's characters with me.
I don't think it counts,but Homestuck was a beautiful journey.
I was one of those people who remembered Homestuck from Undertale.
I beat Undertale somewhere in October,and got sad since there was nothing left of Undertale,and I knew I couldn't do genocide.
But then I realized that Toby Fox sounded familiar.
I looked up Toby Fox,and scrolled through some Undertale junk.
Till I found a link to the Homestuck music site.
I listened to some songs,and as I went on,some of them were really familiar.
Then I find the page to Homestuck.
I was sent to a random page,a page not too far in.
More then 100 though.
Then I clicked "Start Over" since I had no idea what was going on.
"A young boy stands in his bedroom...."
Ahh,the first words.Those first amazing words.
Anyways,I continued on.
I made it though the flashes,pages,and gifts.
Then I got addicted after [S] Cascade.
I made it through Act 6,and was sad at [S] Game Over,thinking it was the end.
Then came [S] Collide.
I was amazed how much work..
Was put into this.
7 years,7 YEARS of Homestuck was made.
Then came Act 7.
I was never so sad my life to when I clicked the arrow.
To see the words...
THE END
I sat there,for minutes trying to think what just happened in those 2 months I spent reading Homestuck.
2 Months.
2 months well spent.
After that,after ALL that,I sat there.
And I though.
What just happened?
Gamzee and Calliborn and....
No,I can't.
But.
BUT!
There is still Hiveswap.
(Don't worry that is just a joke)
So I went outside.
And I thought about their lives.
I wish more people get the chance to read Homestuck :c It's a really good webcomic, father of Undertale.
I'm Homestuck trash tho.
I janegree
CreatorofJanespeak jane
jane
did u just burn that house down
also ba dum tssssshhh
Hypno
No.
*hides torch behind back*
This video is extremely relatable. I found this in a lot of games I played growing up and even now, seeing the friends you made and adventures you had all end in credits is emotional and I honestly really do feel empty after finishing a game. A lot of games had done this for me, especially games where there's no end game. Games like Fire Emblem Awakening and Undertale offered this. I felt empty realising my adventure and experiances had come to an end and I honestly wandered what would happen next and sadly there were honestly not many answers. Only video games can offer these emotions, movies and music can only go to a certain part of my emotions. This is honestly why Undertale made me questions what I was striving for as it all comes to an end sadly very quickly...
I actually don't think the world "disappears" when you close the game. I actually have a vague theory about timelines being connections of ideas which are organized by our minds as events, with the ability of being reproduced as ideas they are, and as such, creating new timelines.
Consider this. Toby Fox created Undertale, hence creating the "original" timelines. In his mind reside the "true" versions of Frisk, Chara, Sans, Papyrus, Toriel and so on, and their first derivatives as well (since he designed the game with various routes with many possibilites that he had to think about). As he was developing, "living" those experiences, he went copying them into the game, doing constant feedback between his mind and the game, creating new timelines with the new changes each time. When the final timelines have been created, fulfilling the desires of the creator, these are released to the public in the form of a "video game", which is actually a way to "reproduce" the necessary steps for creating a new timeline on others' minds. The game itself can't do anything, it has no life, it's just some bunch of zeros and ones, which a computer use to generate some lights and sounds, respond to keys being pressed, etc. So, when a new game begins, the people who are playing it are interpreting the computer's input and creating a _new_ timeline based on what the game's giving them. When the game changes the rules, the player accepts (and this is important, "accepts") to modify their version of the timeline according to these changes. Then, when the game is over, you still do carry on that timeline, but *you decide what happens to it*. If you decide not to modify it because the changes are not reflected in the game, then it will be kept freezed, being this is the most usual choice. If you _do_ decide to modify it, however, it will. This is what happens with fanfics and other kinds of fan-made content, which is always derived from the players' _experiences_, the personal timelines, and not from the game itself. Keep in mind though, if you come back to the game and find that new events happened that contradict your new version, you will probably end up creating a new "forked" timeline and discarding the "bad" version of the timeline.
So, I think that the world had _never_ been in the game. It was actually living on our minds, being developed on them as we reproduced the game like "thoughts & feelings' machines", and the game is an intermediary for the world to develop. You may think I am crazy, but I think these worlds are absolutely as real as our physical environments - however, they depend on ourselves, they cannot exist outside of one's mind (they can only be copied, forked to others' minds), making them fully rely on our memory, and they have no physical form either - which makes them as isolated from the game as we want, but also won't translate into actually having a chat with Sans on how solid the backbone of my theory is, for instance.
Oh well, I apologize for writing such a long comment, I just threw away all of my thoughts subconciously (I'm tired, it's midnight here, right now). Don't take it too seriously - if you don't like it, just go away, this is just some weird metaphysical stuff, and we all know metaphysical stuff is dumb. If you do, however, I'm glad I gave you a new perspective on this subject.
Now this is true modern philosophy.
I think the same thing dude.
Holy crap.
Nice viewpoint
Had the same thoughts...
P.S. Can I save this comment?
Same here man, haven't felt changed by a game for so long until I played through Undertale. Great Video dude keep em coming.
i didn't feel anything when i beat undertale
i mean, it's kinda hard to feel sad if there was no one left alive to feel sad for ;3
OUCH
Savage.
DON'T YOU DO THIS TO ME
Oh snap!
SwankyBox
:)
OMG! Stap the music, this was the music that made me cry in-game, OH GAWD Here they come....
Undertale was one of the greatest games Ive ever played, the story is rich, the music is awesome,and you become so connected with this game its hard to not like it. Being connected with the characters is one thing, but you FEEL for them, you feel like you know them and its such an emotional journey, that you never want it to end. But when it does, it doesn't. It goes on in our hearts the feelings, the, just EVERYTHING. The game only ends when we want it to. Thank you Toby for making this game. Its been a long journey come to an end, but the journey itself, was amazing.
This video practically describes exactly what I'm feeling right now. I am about to do the genocide run, but there is two things stopping me. One, I just did true pacifist, and I'm going to feel terrible for taking that away from all the characters when I reset. Two, I don't want Undertale to end.
Also, this is gonna sound stupid, but I'm practically being drawn to tears over what I said above this comment.
You aren't alone, undertale has made me cry like a big babu too
+TechyTag !!!! Undertale has made me cry so many times its unbelievable
The saddest moment of realizing that my journey with characters I loved gaff come to an end was when I finished Custom Robos for the GC
But everybody dies when undertale truly ends so... that's sad
That's why you dont do genocide. You just stop at pacifist.
And because sans...........
+Laully I did genocide :D. So many regrets... So many hours wasted.
I enjoyed the extra challenge, and pacifist was way too easy, seeing as though I didn't die the entire time.
I got very worried when I saw the title of this video, because I thought that your channel was going to do theories on films/TV shows, and not video games. Additionally, I really enjoyed this video and completely agree with you. Whenever I don't play Animal Crossing or Tomodachi life for a while, I can barely force myself to continue playing because of the guilt I feel.
Why did you have to remind me of To The Moon... Such a sad and great game ;(
It's one of my favorites! I cried continuously through the second half of the game!
SwankyBox Same...
Have you played or ever heard of "A Bird Story"? I think that one's pretty good as well. It's not as long (took me 70 minutes to play through) but I think it's still a pretty heartfelt game...
Indeed I have! I'm looking forward to Finding Paradise as well. Out of curiosity, I have a To The Moon video if that tickles your fancy!
SwankyBox Oooooh, interesting~
I'll check it out. Thank you! :D
I've played both and I didn't cry... AM I HEARTLESS???
I'm always sad when a good game ends, you get to know and love (or sometimes love to hate) the characters in them. It's like saying goodbye to a friend for the last time
Okay, now i know could be a stupid comment but, WHO WAITS FOR SOMEONE FOR 155 MONTHS?
I KNOW RITE YOU WOULD THINK THE PERSON YOUR WAITING FOR WAS DEAD...darn cheri.
I mean WHO DOES THAT? who waits for someone for a whole DECADE? Oh wait..... VIDEO GAME CHARATERS LIKE FLOWEY/ASRIEL/CHERI, OR CHARATERS WHO BREAK THE FOURTH WALL
+JD Rellama Cheri?
Also, have you not heard those ancient tales where someone will wait their entire life for someone else on a single promise?
If the person is waiting to see...
THE PERSON'S CORPSE OOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I understand the feelings you have for these games, and I empathise.
If it's any sort of consolation, there is an Undertale fanime called Newtale being planned/made at the moment, if you want to stay tuned for that.
Pardon me, but... I saw you flash the Dark Cloud 2 game box on the screen. You, sir, have instant respect.
It's one of my favorite games! I sorta felt depressed when it was finally over... especially with that closing song!
SwankyBox I know the feeling. The good part is that the game is so addicting, and I have replayed it 24 times. Yes, a full on 24, and I'm currently going through my 25th play.
I was going to say exactly the same thing.
+SwankyBox Ok um...one of my favorite PS2 games growing up....immense respect.
Vael Araragi first one was way better
When I leave a game behind, it was always bittersweet with me. I filled my role, I parted ways, and I shed tears...
But with Undertale I was fine leaving the game, I knew they didn't need me to be happy, so with no input, I watch from my computer screen, and watch the Undertale community create a world for them, and I was happy. I knew they didn't need me, they have each other.
Fuck, an Undertale Amino. They should just make a Cancer Amino while they're at it too.
Agree
Yeah Xd
+TheBlue10 pls...go away
+Tyr Kreidler Mm how about no?
how bout yes
I get that feeling definitely with not only video games but also some movies/anime/tv shows.
You become so attached to that world and characters that you want to know everything about them. Wish you could speak to them and get to know them or at least share another adventure. You long and crave for anything more because you care so much. It makes have mixed feelings of happy and depressed. Happy to think back to those silly moments and characters. Depressed because I miss it and wish I can continue it in some way I did not before.
All I can do now is share that with others and live vicariously through them...
I think we should call that feeling Swanbo, after your name.
This made me laugh. Knowing someone may one day be struck with the swanbos makes me chuckle.
+SwankyBox you should call your subcribers Swanbo
+SwankyBox do a theory on is determination is a good and evil/dangerous use cause when u save ur progress on the pacifist run it would be ex: the flowing wind fills u with determination , but on the genocide route it says when u save ur game progress determination (with red writing)
Determination is pretty much an independent entity. Whether you want to save the world or destroy it, you have to be determined enough to want either.
I will now use this word for the rest of the evers.
Holy shit dude, I've had these thoughts in my head for so long and you just perfectly articulated them for me. It's such an interesting topic that I think is hardly ever talked about.
The game that moved ME the most is Dark Souls because of its beautiful levels, engaging story and gameplay, and brutal difficulty
what is dark souls story? the developers don't even know
+Guy Nemo the story of Dark Souls is incredibly vague. I haven't figured it out myself, but if you want someone who has at least one answer, I would recommend checking out either VaatiVydia or EpicNameBro.
+Guy Nemo Well that's pretty ignorant you dense Dan. The story is really amazing if you have the ability to piece it together, and actually pay attention to things and learn them for yourself. It's a game where they down outright tell you the whole damn history of the universe, it's kind of like real life, where you have to research and ask around to get in on things. But holy fuck you made me cringe Emo
+Rayanist ' how am I a dunce for simply asking a question, the developers has even came forward and said they will pay an amount of money for someone to actually explain the story to them, just about everyone who has played all of the soul series can vaguely explain what the story is about. so tell me what is the story about I'm genuinely asking?
+Epicmonk117 yeah I'm subscribed to vatti I've seen every one of his videos but I still have trouble deciphering the story myself lol
My God,Swanky box talking about the game characters,reaching their goal and stuff,made me cry a bit :C (Undertale music too)
am I the only person that doesn't have a single nitendo game and system
Nah
BUT HOW?
it means you own 0 variety to your gaming library
Fran FawfulGasterSpringtrap you just used it for this comment
i always felt after undertale that it sorta gave me a new emotion of how i thought about the lives of the characters and the world after i finished.
I have a theory that explains everything, and nobody can disprove.
It is a dream.
that's why I always thought
That's such a cop-out cliché explanation and everyone hates it. I don't think Toby would go that low.
is this a matpat reference
NO.
If it were a dream you would've woke up one of the many times you fell. Same with the garbage dump, you would have woken up after wading in the water.
Excellent video. Looking past the end of a game and through the player's mind after finishing a game is an awesome topic. Congrats
Wait, there's even Undertale Amino now? No way... who is the person making all these "amino" apps?
there's even an ANIME amino....
+The Pony Pivoteer oh no
...I do....BECAUSE NYAH, DAMNIT!
there's a game amino I wonder why undertale ain't there seriously undertale is a game lmao
yes,yes i have swanky, this all happened on my nintendos, old devices, wiis, and others. after some time, when i love to restore and play memories from the way past, back to 1997-2009, the progress is heartbreaking to me, it happens everytime, thats every way we feel when we leave things behind
Welp, my feels just pulled a Chara and stabbed be hard in the chest.
same
I don't stab, I slash.
Details.
Leaving a good game will always bring tears to my eyes. Love ur vids Swanky and Toby Fox u R a GENIUS!!!
what game is at 1:43 the guy with the blue looking sword?
Hyper Light Drifter
A Very beautiful game.
The game
Hyper Light Drifter. It's an amazing and moving title, especially for one that lacks words. Throughout the game you are only guided by visuals and there is no text to read. They do a superb job at telling an emotional story without words, and it was definitely one of my favorite releases this year.
I plan on getting it soon, but I'm waiting for a sale.
+SwankyBox this is honestly one of the most true and relevant videos I have ever seen. I've always felt guilty about leaving a game such as any animal crossing game or pet simulator, so it's good to know that others feel this same way.
WHAT
lol
+Bleach nuuu let dem be happy
I've seen you in several videos
+CutieKitty Frisch me?
+CutieKitty Frisch or sans
I'm like that too. Especially with games I've loved. But technically speaking, we do know how their lives go... at least, through other's imaginations. All the fanart, all the comics, all the videos of different game series that people love, and stories that continue the plot, even if it's not official, still gives us more fun times with the characters we love.
And not just everyone else, but we ourselves can make our own stories. The freedom to imagine and put that thought on paper or video for others to see is something I love about media as a whole.
...I know I'm rambling, but you get the point. Even when the story's over, it's never truly over.
I really wish Undertale dies peacefully. But that's not happening, obviously, it's going down the same cancer path as FNaF and Minecraft.
Ikr ;( i remember when undertale came out I wished it would be really great and had a mature fanbase but NOPPPEEEE
Even if the fan base is annoying, I still love the game, they love it.
We cannot do more than accept...
Only about ~40-50% of UT's fanbase is bad. The other part/half isn't as bad as people make it to be (talented artists, remixes, fanfictions, legitimate theories, etc.) It most certainly isn't as bad as FNAF nor do I think it will ever reach that point
It's not dying- the hype is just dying down, which is nice.
Xenons Xen i highly, highly doubt that
Oh my gosh- you have NO idea how true this is with me. Like, after every single game, I wonder what happens after the end-- mainly what the characters do after the end.
Everyone is talking about the amino thing and not the topic of the video itself
Yea cancer and autism jokes, they havent been made 20 times already
***** Well, I mean its just one thing the video mention that everyone latched onto
***** Yeep
LISA: The Painful is a good example of LeaveBehind Disorder.
"You took some Joy..."
Honestly, Undertale is one of the few games that I'll never forget. A lot of people will just forget about games after beating them. But for me, this game has a special place in my heart, and it's never leaving. I can happily say that this is one fandom that I call my home.
Huh, this video put feelings I didn't know how to express into words. You know what? This is going into my private "good reference videos" playlist. It deserves as much.
I think this is the very first ad I'm actually interested in.
aaaaaaah dark cloud!
*chrm*
sorry, lost my composure for a moment
still in love with your videos and the fact that you love DC makes it even better!
it feels as if its saying good bye to a friend that u know u will never see again but u eached change each other in unimaginable ways
Undertale was the first game I had played that made me cry multiple times from both sadness and joy and moved me so much I can't listen to His Theme without almost crying and while I am sad to have to leave the game behind in the true pacifist ending, I wouldn't want to tear the characters I love so much away from their happy ending as Flowey explains.
Whenever games ended, I often think about the possibilities of what the inhabitants of the game world could be doing without me, despite their code ending as soon as the credits come to a close. I never really believed the idea that the world starts when I start the game, and the world ends when I quit the game. I always believed that the game world went on without me.
Now I'm horribly sad because I think back to all the other adventures I had in the years I played video games. All those good and bad times. The nostalgia is real. ;-;
(Also, subbed because I love your videos! The topics you talk about are very interesting :D)
This video actually got me a little emotional and thinking, because I absolutely loved Undertale, and it sucked to see it end, and after it ended I was really wondering what the characters would do with their lives after the game.
The end of the pacifist run made me cry. It was sadness (Asriel hugging frisk and leaving) and happiness (everyone got to the surface). I think that the thing that hit me the hardest was Asriel's music playing at the end, which reminded you that there was just one person you couldn't save.
I'm scared with things like these, the thought of getting attached to an object that you make it an inspiration. Then would come a day that something new comes up and you forget it even though you wouldn't want to. I wouldn't want that to happen to a story, a game or a movie.
I never thought I wouldn't be excited for an Undertale sequel.
This video has changed me
Now your video made me feel emotional and I wanna play Undertale again... I haven't played in FOREVER.
This is close to what happened with me and Kingdom Hearts. I finished Kingdom Hearts 1 when I was 4 (I have NO idea how I can't even beat it now and I'm 14), and KH2 when I was 6, and then didn't play them again for 7 years (mostly because I couldn't find any copies of them and I lost mine). I had vague memories of the games, but it wasn't like other games. It wasn't "oh hey, I remember this cool thing I did in Mario when I was 4", it was more like something that actually happened to me, that I was trying to remember. I can't really explain it, but it's like no other game I've played. Except one. Undertale.
I don't always think about what happens in the story after the game ends, but in most cases, I do. At least a passing thought crosses my mind, thinking about where the story may lead or what the next adventure could entail. I hope Toby makes more games. Not talking about Undertale sequels, but more games as in more fun adventures in perhaps another world that he pours his heart and soul into.
When I played Undertale, I got so engrossed that when I finally got the true pacifist end, I couldn't bring myself to possibly try for another pathway. Instead, I go and check my save file every now and then, just to see the Underground empty, knowing that everyone is happy and enjoying themselves on the surface. Sappy, I guess...
I felt very sad leaving undertale. I felt as if I abandoned Asriel.... it felt so... so heartbraking.
UT left a great impression on me. It was just one of those games that hit me good. I haven't played a game like this in a long time that me love all the characters. Toby did such a good job with how the music fits every mood and even hit me deep down. The thing is i leave behind most games that I beat and move on. But with Undertale I dont 'wanna do that. I wanna keep it in my heart forever
I always thought I was the only one who felt this. But when you really think about it isnt life just like this? You meet hundreds of people through your entire life and alot of them you never even see again. Its a sad thought. All that time you spent with that person just gone. Your happy to have the memories you already have made but it still feels awful. The feeling of letting go and moveing on yourself.
"there was an animal that waited over a decade for me to return" made me shed a tear on the inside
well for me leaving a game is hard but remember the adventurers you had in those games and remember those games had a place in your hearts. well goodbye and have a good day.
Yes, i fell happy and sad at the same time when i finish a game with an such a amazing story, but i know when it's time to move on when you grew up a little in your heart with it, i left undertale after i learned about the power of friendship and determination.
I don't normally get that feeling when I play videogames, but it happens after reading novels. I think of it as a reverse nostalgia.
I got an interesting feeling finishing Phantom Pain. That game went on so long, and I spent so much time gathering resources and building up Mother Base, but when I was getting toward the end, I knew that gathering resources didn't matter anymore.
This video reminds me of something Michael said once on Vsauce: When a game or a movie ends, characters can walk off into the sunset and the credits will roll, but in real life, after you walk into the sunset, you have to go home.
you made me sad man i tried to find a game i havent played in a long time then after this video i wondered how sad i got to the end then how my spirit died after i did everything
you get a sub and a like for making me remember every game i played that i abandon after i reached the ending
I actually wrote a creative writing piece about this very topic back in high school. As you would probably expect, it was about a kid getting attached to characters in a game but then feeling alone when he finally beats it.
I remember that whenever there was a character I really liked in a game I would always try to get as much dialogue out of them as possible, just to get that little bit more out of them
The feeling is sad to give up fun on a game or in other words to leave the game behind. The depressing feeling can come to all of us, because we’ve experienced the game before, but the second experience ins’t the same. And to know the characters can feel happy or sad that we left them. To progress can feel good, but to end something is sad... except homework. This is the depressing feeling of playing a game and then you have to get to the part where you end it.
I am crying I don't want to leave a game again ever
Gah, hit me right in the feels bringing up my fears of what happens at the end of my pokemon games when I stop playing them and move on to the next generation
I always feel really sort of empty when finishing a game, especially if it didn't end in a way that allowed full closure. The Portal games did this a fair amount because you never really know what Chell will do or find after becoming free. I loved Undertale for the same reasons you said here, and was really happy in the pacifist ending credits when you get to see what all the monsters do next. That's something games rarely do and you're not left wondering if the monsters even got accepted by other humans. But still, I took that walk you get to take to say goodbye to everyone, and it felt weirdly almost the same as I had every time I moved on from one school to the next growing up. All happy and proud yet nostalgic and a little sad. Damn games like that are good at bringing out emotions.
UNDERTALE has hit me hard. it's like any game That has Lore or just a fantastic story, I relate everything to undertale and kinda can't let it go
I am truly sad that it's over but happy it happened
When I played this, I had similar ideas. I saw the fandom do some amazingly creative, and sometimes amazingly cliché things with it. I was conflicted as hell about what to do with that, but at that point I did realize something.
The fandom was keeping this little game alive, with a dose of passion I almost never saw before.
Although I felt some of the stuff the fandom made was in risk of killing itself, I loved it to death and wanted to be part of it.
These people gave these characters additions to their personality, making them even more "alive".
I realize these characters can be seen as a part of all the people involved, and existing as much as we make them.
They had personality traits that were amplified versions of things we would want or could relate to, in a sense completing us.
I think since this is all part of multiple people, a game or a fictional thing may be considered even more real and living than some people at certain points. Doing a Mettaton impression in a let's play I did made me feel more alive than ever, and made me feel like I was that character. These characters are more unique than most actual people I've met.
That it's fictional doesn't mean it's real. This stuff is a beautiful reflection of everything we want and are, and I think we should embrace it with all we have.
Keep up the good fandom.
everyone is moving on so quickly artists, channels, tumblr.. lol...and im here like..im not ready for this to end im not ready to say goodbye *cries* everyone is leaving me behind i dont want to be alone
Daaaaaaamn SwankyBox
Back at it again with the sad headcanon
Leaving RuneScape behind has been one of the most difficult things I have done. Almost every offline game stops as soon as you quit. Meanwhile, RuneScape is always being updated and changed in ways you don't expect. It feels like the game is moving on without you! ...Wait, there's a RuneScape 3? ****!