The Nikon Z8 is 99% the same as the Z9 (rant)
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Nikon putting out a strong competing camera at an aggressive price point is great for the industry. Everyone benefits in the long-term when competition is fierce. I'm a legacy Nikon shooter and chose to pre-order the Z8. I'm upgrading from a D750 so it will be a monster of an upgrade for me. I do wish the screen was fully articulating but it's not a deal breaker.
I have the Z6 II ....came from d750 ...really good. But the autofocus on Canon and Sony is really better. See Jared polin Z8 video.
But for me ergonomics, Lens (i have the FTZ II for my old lens), great .jpg straight out of the camera was the big deals for me mantains nikon.
@@Emulives nikon jpegs hav lot of details that can be edited very easily
Sensor read out on A7RV sensor read out is too slow, rolling shutter a no go for me…
@@jimpack9622 i am nikon shooter from 2015, except sony autofocus they lag in many issues like display,color tones(many says u can edit later lol being an event shooter i handle 1000s of pics every month),the wider the frames goes more weird output looks in sony
I am debating on upgrading from my d750 also. What lens do you use for the 750 and will you be using those for the z8?
It's the camera that a lot of Nikon users have been waiting on. Z9 but smaller, excellent.
smaller body will heat more. Take that in consideration. Speacially for video.
@@Emulives I think the video side has limitations, but it'll not affect me. Photo side is only of interest to me.
@@Emulives nikon cameras are best in managing heat many complained about heat in sony aIV,canon r5,canon r ever heard someone complaining about z series about heat?of course 8k will produce heat external monitors sre available to handle that
@@capturemedia3092 There is a youtuber that complain about heat. But when I ask , I think is because he used a generic SD slow card.
My NikonZ6 II is warm sometimes ...but nothing to bother. I just shoot pics...I don't use video.
@@Emulives yes canon release a fan for r5 😂 comparatively nikon far better than sony n nikon in heat management,I use z5 never felt heat issues in video n photo
"Goodbye Nikon"
Few moments later
"I'm back Nikon"
😂
That’s all your going to hear man “why I left Sony, why I left canon etc etc lol no matter what camera you buy it’s like a cell phones the minute you get your money up to buy a good camera it’s already old by TH-camrs. Awesome camera but just watch as we all know we are going to hear this all over again people, just sit down look around at the cameras and decide weather anyone of these camera brands is the right tool for what you have going on and go with it lol the FOMO is real I was caught up in this spending this type of money every two years dude be grateful with what you decide to get either it a price of 4000$ or 1500$ because you can end up with a lot of high end stuff that you really don’t need people..
@@sonicck used d750 for 5 years moved to z5 n my photography is my photography gear mstly matters based on our requirements
@@capturemedia3092 I agree 5 years is long enough for a upgrade I agree for what ever it’s is a person does with what ever photography they are doing.
People were comparing flagship models Z9 vs A1 vs R3, now Z8 almost same as Z9 apart from ergonomics and battery, it's $2500 less than A1.. that's incredible and very aggressive price..
Exactly, but I'm not getting one after seeing the battery performance. My main bodies are the D6, but I have and use the D850 as well. I really wish the Z8 would've allowed for an adapter to use the EN-EL18D batteries in the vertical grip. I get that most people don't buy the Z8 along with the grip, but I am someone who's always used flagships and or prosumer bodies with grip. It's amazing what the Z8 can do, especially for the price point. it cost me at least $4,000 USD for the D850 plus grip kit! So getting 20fps, 8K 60, internal ProRes RAW, etc., etc., is amazing, however the battery life is a deal breaker. Nikon screwed up with the vertical grip option. It takes two batteries but not in a way that helps me and there is no adapter to use EN-EL18 series batteries. I have D6 (x2) and D850 with grip and three EN-EL18d batteries...and I rarely charge them...they last me weeks at times. Carrying and needing extra batteries is just not for me. At least the Z8 has made the cost of used Z9's come down, so I might just one day get a Z9 and replace my D850 and one D6, and just have a D6/Z9 combo. However I am still not sure I want to do this, because I actually really prefer OVF over EVF...as I have light sensitivity issues related to my TBI/CTE. The Canon R3's OVF simulation mode is about the best I've seen in an EVF and the Z9 is not bad, but I do prefer the OVF experiences, especially when shooting for hours or all day long. We are already starring at blue light screens all day, from our phones to laptops, etc.! One last sorta concerning point for me is that I know of at least 5 different Z9 users who've had to send their Z9's in for service and repairs, within the 1 year warranty period. I've shot every Nikon flagship and prosumer camera made since 1999, when I sold my F5/F100's for the D1! it's amazing the D1 was $4999 in 1999, and over two decades later, you can buy the latest Z9 flagship for less money, when inflation is added in. Kudos to Nikon for breaking barriers on price and innovation. The 800pf lens another example if just how well Nikon is doing compared to the competition. Canon is gluing EF-RF adapters to old super-tele lenses and calling them new RF super-tele's and now they've glued 2x TC's onto the back of 400mm f/2.8L IS III and 600mm f/4L IS III lenses and adding a mount adapter, than magically they have 800mm f/5.6 and 1200mm f/8 lenses for nearly $20,000? Meanwhile Nikon is innovating, releasing brand new optical designs with built in1.4x teleconverter's! Not only the Nikon 400mm and 600mm primes sharper than their Canon counterparts, they are also much more usable or versatile with the built-in 1.4x TC. Effectively giving you both a 400mm f/2.8 and a 560mm f/4 or a 600mm f/4 or 840mm f/5.6, for less money than the Canon, since you'd need two lenses or have to attach a TC in the field, which is never fast or pretty. Now I'm splitting hairs here IQ wise, truth is Canon also makes amazing lenses. It's just Nikon is innovating in so many ways, that I feel in some ways, Nikon is embarrassing Canon and Sony. Once you buy a grip and two CFexpress Type A card's...the Sony A1 costs over $7,200 USD. So the Z9 and Z8 are definitely ground breaking!
yeah I mean the only reason to pay the ridiculous price for the A1 was flagship specs in a small body. Now the Z8 offers that for $4000. Plus better lens prices. Unless you are a Sony super fan, there is basically no reason to go with an A1 anymore.
@@josh885 agreed
@@josh885 Especially since Sony rarely if ever offers discounts and then the huge issue of no firmware updates? I’ve never liked Sony cameras due to their ergonomics and feel in my hands. However their image quality and autofocus is amazing and I’m not against Sony, it’s just not for me. I’m a dual Nikon D6 and D850 backup shooter. I’m a photojournalist, so battery life, durability and survivability, along with low light performance is most important! This is why I’ve decided to stay with the D6. I bought a Z9 NPS priority and was not impressed with the noise performance. Also the built in Wifi/wireless is not reliable enough for me. I use and have been using the WT-6A and formally the WT-5A since 2014 with the D4s and it’s 100% reliable and works up to 650ft range! Whereas the SnapBridge and built wireless is much less reliable and only has a very short range. Being able to transmit images immediately from my D6’s is so important and the Z9 just can’t compete. It lacks a port for the wireless adapter. So does the Canon R3, so I’m really not sure where to go in the future. I guess I’ll keep using the D6? Should last me another 5 years?
Here for angry Manny
Yep as a Nikon shooter it was a long wait. But this is the one I was waiting for! This is the perfect camera for me!
I switched from Nikon to Sony when I went mirrorless. Sony’s firmware policy has given me thoughts of switching back. Nikon’s new cameras and price points are catching my attention even ,pre.
You will not regret switching back. Did so when I got the Z9
do it, sony comands good prices still on the second hand market, it's the perfect time
What was the problem with Sonys updates. I’m curious to know. I stuck with the d850 and I’m ready to go mirrorless
@@Moriningland the fact that there are no meaningful updates. As a result, you pay more and get less. The $2200 ZX-E1 has features that the $6500 a1 flagship lacks, for example.
@@Moriningland Stuck with D850? I own 4 of them for my business. It's one of the greatest DSLR ever made. It's a work horse.
I like the unbiased review. Good job, Manny!
No mechanical shutter and extreme weather seal is enough profit for us professionals. Will last a long time. Also as a Z9 user, I just would like a Z6III with Expeed 7. The rest is all about lenses
Manny don’t ever put yourself down - you’re up there with the best man! 🤜🏽
Always value your thoughts Manny! I really like that you shoot all systems and that you come across as genuine and completely unbiased, which is a lot more than can be said for most photography TH-camrs out there. I have just ordered my Z8, moving from a Z6ii and Z5 which I use for weddings, and despite watching lots of videos, am still uncertain of what exactly to expect. Thank you for this video, it was really helpful and I simply cannot wait to get my new camera. Keep up the awesome work!
Nice quick review of hte Z8 Manny. Thanks for an unbiased look at the camera. I like you off script brother. Makes you real. Thanks for dropping by my stream today. That was class brother and I appreciate it.
Ready Action?
8K/60p video in N-Raw, 4.1K in ProRes Raw?
If the rumors are true, the king is back!
I made it to the end - really appreciate this detailed listing of your thoughts about the z8 in relation to its competition
As a Nikon photographer, I’m absolutely ecstatic for this release coming from the Z6II and Z5 as my 2nd body and I can’t wait to get my hands on the Z8 and glad I woke up early to preorder. I enjoy your videos my friend and thanks for your thoughts.
I love my Nikon z6ii and z5 models. Best combo ever
Dear Mr. Ortiz
Great video. With a lot of good views on this Z8 beast.
If I wasn’t so heavily invested in original Sony lenses I would really be tempted to switch. What a camera.
Can’t wait to see your videos when you have tried the Z8.
I just listened to the end a second time (1yr later) After shooting the Z8 for 9months professionally..... The Z8 is the very best camera I have used !!!!! Now 1 year after Your video the Nikon System has an amazing group of lenses available !!!!! Thank You :) :) :)
And can you explain the differences and benefits between stacked sensor and non-stacked sensors.
I watch to the end on all of the videos even when you randomly cut them off and im like
......... is something wrong with my internet ? 😂😂
Great video! As someone who uses multiple camera brands, if you had to choose one camera for pleasure and one for work, which bodies would you choose?
For, me it's an insult to compare the Z8 to the R5, and A7R V, what your not mentioning in your video is that the Z8, is better than the R3 and A1 in some respects.
Actually watched the whole thing, very good thank you. Currently shoot A1 an A7RV and did try the Z9 for a year but it’s size and weight was too overwhelming. My try a Z8 bur wonder if you think a A1 + A7RV combo eliminates the need for a Z8? Let me know.
I had the D850 but the Z7II wasn’t really an upgrade. Now when Nikon has the lens lineup and the Z9 was introduced I bought it. But it’s heavy and big. I’m gonna sell it and buy this.
Manny, thanks for an awesome review!😊
I think Manny said what everyone already "knows" but the fact that he says it makes me want this camera twice as much.😅
your review is good. I like to know about the Nikon Z battery. I like that you are authentic in your delivery, your spontaneous, you are who you are as you are.
Great review dude and I made it to the end because I respect what you have to say. I'm a Nikon Z6ii shooter for my wedding photography so this Camera would be an awesome upgrade and I cant wait to get it.
I'm curious to know which lenses are missing in the Nikon Line up that would use on the Sony's. I have 6 Nikon s-line lenses now and they are all incredible. Cheers G
Yea i watched al of this video too geoff haha
Great video Manny.....great sincere unbiased review.
Manny, I checked this out and your other videos. I may have missed it, but I never saw you shoot the Z9 with HSS out on a street or somewhere outside of the controleld studio environment, continuous lighting or natural light. Have your tried it out on the streeet with HSS like many of your other videos? Everyon else I see seems to avoid this scenario as well and I wonder if that is because of the ventian blind effect the electronic shutter has with HSS in this camera. You if anyone could figure this out, which is why I'm asking.
I make to the end of your videos! Your insight and perspective is priceless for people like me that are trying to make informed decisions for gear.
Hi Manny is there is anyway you can make a video in the future for best lenses for the Z8 and Z9 prime, wide angles and zoom lenses?
Would you think that the Nikon Raw is a game changer for choosing between Sony & Nikon or would u rather prefer the Slog3 workflow for pro video work
Your view will be valuable
Come on Manny. We love hearing what you have to say. Keep on keeping on. 🤞🏾✌🏾
Gear video Manny. Quick question. Random question. What’s the height of your studio. Moved from a warehouse and thinking to move to a large office building with 11’ ceiling. Coming from 22 😢. Looks like yours is around 10-11’ ?
Will prefer the z8 to z9 cos of the size.
Balancing z8 on gimbal will be much easier than the z9.
Great video! I really want this camera! What do you think is the quickest way to get hold of one in the Chicago area? Is there a store likely to get stock in right away, or is it better to go online?
Matt Granger tested the production Z8 for overheating and battery life with video. The RAW video drained the battery in about 27 minutes as I recall. The Z8 did overheat and stop in situations where the Z9 always kept on going, and that was in a cool room.
When you said " i assume you're just listening on your airpods" i felt so called out. was editing photos with you talking in another tab lol. Great video as always
Fantastic video. Your perspective is gold.
Very much appreciate your content Manny, thank you.
I don't really like the design but it's great value for the money, the backlit buttons are amazing
second hand Z9 or new Z8? I don't remember what you were selling it for.
I enjoy your thoughts on cameras. This one is out of my price range
I’m going to buy it coming from DX
It’s the video specs and price of that stack sensors. Plus I like the speed of Nikon when turning on like instant
very disappointed with Sony a1 firmware update are slow and messed up my Wi-Fi capabilities and support is really bad i am going to add the z 8 to my echo system
Hi Manny what do you do with your old gear? Love from south Africa 😊
Great video! I WATCHED the whole video. I'm looking to upgrade from a D750. Recently started shooting local sports. I was looking between a used Z9 and new Z8 and you sold me on the Z8.
YOU STILL THE MAN MANNY ADHC and all. Keep the unbiased reviews coming.
Nikon can keep being regarded as the “underdog” if it means a camera like this at this price 😮😊. I was waiting for a Z6III or Z5II, but I’m seriously considering splurging and picking this up instead..
for someone that has muscles it should not effect you. i am not body builder only used to picking up lumber by the board. i can hand hold Z9 FTZ 2 and sigma 120-300mm and does not bug me i can hold for long times or walk around holding with 2 to three finger and do not feel weight. hard for me pick up anything 35 one hand.
The Famous keep it 100 Manny. We love it my friend 😂
Many its an honor to watch ur vids. I watch them to get information as suspose what specs and how to shoot things in a certain way. I want to become that photographer but idk where start. You think you could make vid on where to start and how to put urself out there more? But i do understand ur frustration with this. I am a nikon shooter. Have d500 and im swicthing to the sony a7iii or iv. Trying to trade it in. But i dont get the price thing. But big fan of ur work ans its very inspiring to me and to keep posting photos. Hope to be like u someday. Keep up the good work
Never owned or for that matter used a, Nikon. I did watch your review of the Z9 and it did peak my interest but, I eventually ended up going with the Canon R5. I’m not disappointed. Keep doing what you are doing man. You are an inspiration to many.
Z8 is so much better than R5
@@stevemuzak8526 No it isn't. The EVF sucks compared to the R5, ISO is better on the R5, higher 8K resolution on the R5, the fold out screen is not as good etc. etc. so no, not really. Its the photographer that makes the difference.
Hi !!
Can I take photos while video recording?
I need a camera with this feature
@Manny Ortiz,
You might want to keep the Z9 because Nikon will get in touch with you soon to test the Z 35mm 1.2 and Z 135mm lenses, which will all be released this year. The moral of the story is that Nikon is going to keep you busy this year with new lenses and that's good for all of us👍😎
No 180-600mm?
@@mlai2546 absolutely👍
Legend! Love your honest opinion. Well done my friend
Unless Newsshooter specs are wrong, 2.6lbs to 2.0lbs is not 30% lighter. It's 23% lighter. It's 30% smaller in physical size though.
always nice to follow your videos. I'm a Sony shooter (7RIV and 7RV) and do a lot of indoor shooting under critical light conditions (LED banding!) witch is easy to handle with the Sony´s.
Can you say something how the Nikon´s handle LED banding (they don't have mech.shutter)? Thanks and best regards from Hamburg
Yes, you can change shutter speed in decimal increments to eliminate banding.
Nikon z8 is the cheaper and leaner z9. The wait was too long but oh well.
I appreciate your ADHD @Manny Ortiz because I'm interested in your unfiltered, unbiased, and unscripted thoughts. Never ever apologize for it!.👍
THANKYOU FOR BEING HONEST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have watched You as long as I can remember,, and You have always been an honest UN-BIASED person !!!!!!!!! THANKYOU :) :) :)
Hey, Nikon z8 is good for advertising photography? like fashion, product, food, architecture...
Thanks for the review. Great perspective, hopefully Nikon is watching and considers your excellent suggestions for improvement.
Nikon is offering the BEST BANG FOR BUCK with the Z8. Big Ship...many are jumping over
Fantastic video. Just got a Z8.
That’s all your going to hear man “why I left Sony, why I left canon etc etc lol no matter what camera you buy it’s like a cell phones the minute you get your money up to buy a good camera it’s already old by TH-camrs. Awesome camera but just watch as we all know we are going to hear this all over again people, just sit down look around at the cameras and decide weather anyone of these camera brands is the right tool for what you have going on and go with it lol the FOMO is real I was caught up in this spending this type of money every two years dude be grateful with what you decide to get either it a price of 4000$ or 1500$ because you can end up with a lot of high end stuff that you really don’t need people.
Good review Manny
I got my R5 on Aug 1, 2020. So the R5 is nearly 3 years old, not a couple.
I pre-ordered mine today. Upgrading from the D850.
I don’t shoot Sony or Nikon but I enjoy your videos Manny!!
Does anyone know if Nikon Z8 can record video on both cards at the same time? Thanks
It doesnt
@@frickseerose6146 :(
I really like the channel! Can you please share your thoughts/info on what to expect from the lifetime of Z8? The shutter is not mechanical but Nikon doesn't state anything about the endurance and wearing out so it is not unlimited. My guess here; if this is the replacement for D850 then it should be 0.5Millions shots 5-7 years without a problem
&& do you think here, is it a the right choice for someone no who has no lens (new system) or better go with Canon or even Sony
The sd card will prevent dual recording in some some modes.
Z9 also won't dual record video.
@@makatron thats terrible. My R6II can dual record.
Great point about building an ecosystem on video.
Hey I sent you an email about buying the z9 and any lenses you have.
Love the ending man❤
A7rV???? It's not even close.
I'm not quite getting the rationale behind basically cloning the Z9 in a slightly smaller body and making it a little cheaper. I would have preferred a slightly cheaper body with slightly better video than just 8-bit h264. I guess the Z6iii is probably more what I'm waiting for.
It makes a lot of sense when you look at everything on the market in the $3500-$4300 range...
Z8, some major drawbacks. With SD card as backup with overflow..does that limit the FPS and buffer speeds? also the camera is bigger than the Z9 with battery grip. without battery grip, battery life is worst than Z9. also no ethernet, and no GPS on Z8. personally I won't purchase a Z8 to partner up with my Z9. I will need to get another Z9. Also brings up the question on FPS with and without the battery grip. they also cut out the FPS dial on the top left and need to use function button instead.
to compare with other camera manufacturers...this was the easiest and cheapest way to kill the competition without doing any R&D. They didn't really hit the mark for current Z9 users. for Z7 and Z6 owners, great upgrade..but then why wouldn't they just jump to a Z9 considering after buying battery grip, only 900 dollars off. used Z9 will kill all lol Z8 just missed the mark for current Z9 users, for me anyhow.
R5 still has a solid focusing system than Nikon’s mirrorless..ill just hang on to my Z7ii for now..Nikon failed the owners of the Z6ii/Z7ii about firmware updates..was hoping the 2-processor’s is a game changer but i was wrong..
Interesting - do you think a Z7iii is coming out anytime soon?
I always end up enjoying the last 5 minutes of solo name is videos. Especially when he thinks he needs to end the video there's some type of professional way. Most authentic man on Yt When he does it. And no I was not listening with airpods because Mac book speakers are all it need 😂
Is Sony A7RV better than Nikon Z8?
one of the most important words from your video Manny is " Unbiased content " that why im still here after many years thanks for that . Sony's firmware policy and the fact they skyrocketed their price for example on the A7 Range which is seems to be the " Basic" Shocked and desappointed me . Nikon take time to shake their world and the Market but their do it with the Z9 and now with the Z8 with the price . Canon extend their range whearas Sony only extend vlog range ( honestly i dont understand their strategy , who is the real target) and i feel their fear to canibalize the different range , so put less effort in improvement of the A7 Range : 2 generations ( A7 III , A7 IV) with 10 FPS in electronic and mechanical Shutter when Canon renew quickly the R6 with the Mark II with 40 Fps on the electronic shutter . they have also the leadership in some technologies like the new triple stacked sensor which was announced since the end of 2021 , but they prefer to raised their price in a Unlegitimate way without some true contributions ...
Mainly interested in video and got the FX3 for that. For photo I think Nikon is king. I never liked the ergos of Sony alpha series. The Z8 beats the R5 and A7r5 because of the stacked sensor, insane video specs and ergos. The af of the z9 is better than on my fx3. It’s at the point where it’s really more than good enough.
Af is the only thing that Sony fanboys still cling onto, which at this point becomes silly as the af from Canon and Nikon Z8/Z9 is more than good enough.
Stacked sensor really means nothing when you are comparing images.
Z8 is a better video cam compared to Sony video cams below 7k USD. Period. It should be compared to the A1, which is way overpriced.
Here's something to think about. The z6/z7 were cameras that were put out just to get something out there. The 2nd gen bodies are a little better but we've been disappointed that they haven't been improved with more firmware updates. And you are right, we do get updates quite often. One thing people are overlooking is that Nikon has been putting quality lenses out. Most of the z lenses have little to no focus breathing or chromatic aberration. The z mount is the king of mounts. We can adapt more lenses than any other system. We can't adapt Sony, Canon EF, Minolta and many offers. Nikon also allows third party companies to manufacture lenses unlike Canon (they will be soon). There's a saying in photography. Date the camera and marry the lenses. I think that's why it's taken so long for Nikon to catch up with the cameras compared to what Canon has put out. Sony has been there for a while I'm the mirrorless system and Canon had the M line so it's not new to them. And now the zf has just come out. That's an interesting camera. Especially for street photography. It gives us a look at what the third gen z6/z7 will be like. I think the z6 III will have even better video features. I think it will be around a 33 MP range and will have 6k video. And look at the new 135mm f/1.8 Plena just came out. Wow! That's a lens you need to look into and do a video on. The z8 will probably be my next body. I'm saving up for it. I might sell my z6 II when the z6 III comes out. I want you see what will be different between it and the zf.
Z8 will be the Icon👑 (D850)
The Nikon Z9 had/has a lot of new groundbreaking features built into it. Some, like the stacked sensor, are still not available on any other camera of any brand.
With the Nikon Z8, you have those features that have been beta tested by Z9 users. Thank you Z9 users for beta testing what will be my new Z8.
WOW! The Nikon Z9 now has a competitor. It's the Z8!
Great review! I agree with you about the clunky screen.
Flip out screen for Nikon and I’m switching too!
Appreciate you my boy
Nikon is going for market share with these mirrorless cameras.
imagine now a z8 with the e mount adapter and access to all e-mount lenses... 🙌
CFE type B cards are not “much more expensive” than good SD cards. Type B cards are actually cheaper now if you buy large capacity.
My Z8 has a gradient at the top edge of the frame with studio strobes at 1/200. Neither my D850 nor D810 did that. I'm not the only one either.
The real rant should be they removed subject tracking from the stills side and did not allow us to swap between the current focus mode and the 3D tracking with assigning it to FN1 button.
You can assig. 3D to FN1 but you have to hold the FN1 button down to remain in 3D tracking mode.
I’m so mad about this as the z7ii worked this way but my Z8 does not.
i like you and matt granger and jared you test all types of camera do not play favorites
Type b cards are not expensive compared to v90 sd cards
Or Type-A which only Sony uses !!!!
Nikon says the Z8 is a flagship. Just before it was released amazon dropped prices to dump some Z9 stock, smart. I wondered what was going on.
Hopefully this forces Canon to make the R5 ii a stacked sensor
We can hope...I'll be surprised if they deliver. (this decade)
I doubt they will. They don't have a high resolution stacked sensor in production. It will probably be used first in the R1, then a few years later come out in an R5 form. So you are looking at 36 months minimum.
@@tstanley01 you don’t think they’ll release the R1 and R5ii close to each other?
@@tstanley01 and don’t they still produce the R3 sensor?
@@303badassboxer I wouldn't...you want to get those initial sales from your flagship, before releasing a less expensive version, and yes they make the R3 sensor, but it is half the resolution of the R5
Nikon is back!