I totally agree with your conclusion. I choose Fuji for it’s size / weight (a real blessing with my back issues) and tactile experience. I do however slightly prefer full frame but it wasn’t enough of a difference to warrant carrying a larger and heavier kit.
Great video and great comparison. The biggest thing I hope most folks got from this is that Crop Sensor is very capable for even paying work. (this coming from a wedding photographer who shoots Fujifilm 😉)
Yeah this video only shows how close it really is. Like I said with my medium format analogy, it’s just as close to full frame as full frame is to Fuji medium format. It’s so close that you have to really push the files to start seeing the small differences
@@LegacyGuitars same! when I picked up the x100v and I saw how great the images looked out of camera I was convinced and left Sony and picked up the x pro 3 and x-t5 and its been great! bit of learning with getting my settings right but I love what I'm getting from them and how much time I don't spend editing
You put that really well. What works for one person may not work for another so I can appreciate the reasoning you put into this video. I shot full frame Nikon for over 10 years. After getting a Fuji for personal use I eventually tried it professionally due to the size/weight. Now I’ve completely swapped over and for my workflow I would consider that an upgrade! Great Video!
The EVF on the Z8 is incredible. It's completely changed my shooting experience, affecting both how often I use the EVF and how much I enjoy it when I do. It gets extremely bright, as well, which is so helpful when shooting outdoors in bright sunlight.
Totally agree. It’s all subjective. I switched from a full frame Nikon D610 to Fujifilm X-T1 and I definitely saw a slight downgrade in image quality. Especially in terms of noise when brightening shadows. But the small size and weight of both the camera and the lenses, and the physical dials, made me never look back. Now I use X-T5 and it’s fantastic. I sometimes DO miss the sensor in my old Nikon, but that is the only thing I miss from it.
Ive been shooting on the XH2 for over a year now. I love that camera. I came from an XT3, so I had a collection of lenses. I love what I can do with my camera. I do look at full frame cameras now and then. The Nikkon ZF looks pretty cool. But I would never give up my Fuji.
The Nikon ZF is a nightmare of a camera, lol. It’s hilariously outclassed in many ways. The sensor and tech is great, but everything else is virtually inferior about the camera because it’s a modified tribute to the Nikon FE from 1977. SD card in the battery door, only one SD card slot, terrible ergonomics, and no User custom buttons. The position of the dials at the top is great for people over the age of 40 who grew up with film cameras, and enthusiasts who want to…pretend they’re shooting a film camera? Flippy screen is nice though! You’d be hard pressed to call this camera worth traveling with as you need a 3rd party grip which also clips in the way of the battery door. The camera works against you in so many ways, against convenience, and you don’t want that in a camera. Just het the Z7-Ii for the price, or a Z8 if you actually have the money. - someone who owned both.
Crop/Fuji shooters stand up! When our $1700 body is competing with the more expensive $4000+ bodies, we win! We spend less with a much better ROI! I love shooting crop.
RIGHT THO! As a working professional, I can spend less, and get amazing results. And at the end of the day your paying clients are not going to know the difference. It's really photographers just feeling like FF is better. That ROI is amazing with Fujifilm cameras.
In bright day light yes, when you go in darker situation like most pros shooting events and wedding etc it is different. This is the 4k camera, but when the successor to the z6, will come out you will get a 2k camera that will surely have perhaps a little less speed etc but image wise will be less noisier than even the z8 and buy cheaper 1.8 primes or 2.8 zoom that are quite competitive in price. You would need 1.2 primes and 2.0 zooms in apsc to compare.
@danielvilliers612 with modern AI/production tools low light is a non-issue as you can effectively increase the dynamic range through AI. Crop sensors in modern times make more sense. People will argue "more bokeh on FF". If you don't get enough bokeh on a crop sensor f1.4 lens then you're doing something wrong
How do you win? Many just did the basic comparison, which even a film camera would produce great results, is that your baseline to win, because the $4000 camera gives you raw video, extremely high burst rates, cutting edge Af etc..etc..
Came here to say this. It’s a bummer Lightroom don’t play well with Fuji photos but you truly can’t get an apples to apples comparison on color degrading by processing both files through Lightroom
@@Tony.Visual Lightroom still has problems rendering the X-Trans Files perfectly. Though there has been an improvement, I haven't tried for years. One either needs an extra program before importing into LR or one has to use Capture One which is a professional editing program. I can recommend it, but it is not cheap.
@@macmac6479 there’s something i can use before import in lightroom? Because i usually work with lightroom and photoshop, so if i will try to change with capture one will i still be able to work as I’m doing now
The A7III is still a beast of a camera and the value it offers is unbeatable. WIth the money saved by using a used one, you can really get some sweet glass to go with it.
the colors could also be different on the fuji because they use the XTrans sensor. many computer programs specialize in bayer sensors. a bayer vs bayer apsc comparison would be interesting here
Yes, for Fuji I am using Capture One to reach the best results of Xtrans ... I did the test - downloaded the raw file from dpreview in resolution comparison test and developed in capture one - there were huge differences in the details, etc ... I dont know how LightRoom handle the xtrans files now ...
The needed end result really depends. I shoot a R6 and X-H2, the R6 is for paid work headshot/portrait and H2 is for personal stuff/artistic shoots. I really think the XT5/H2 can handle 95% of most people’s needs. The overall rig weight and cost has me leaning towards Fuji. 45-61mp FF definitely have their place, not denying that but APSC from 5 years ago is not APSC today, that is like the higher end FF closed the gap on Medium Format.
Hello MichaelFrederickPhoto, you prefer to shoot with the R6 for work, for portraits in particular, rather than with your Fuji which Canon lens do you use for that ? I just saw a video of an X-H2 with the latest Viltrox AF 75 F1.2 PRO and I must say that for the price of the lens I find the end result simply amazing ! Thank you, best, Ludo
@@ludowild Hi there, the R6 i shoot Sigma 40 or 105mm 1.4 as well as Tamron G2 70-200 2.8. The 105mm lens is soooo good especially on headshots. I love the 105 fov so I also have the 75mm for the XH2. The size and weight is a huge draw, the 105 i really use for studio work mostly now. I do a good amount of HS SR portrait shoots so I bring both rigs with me to give them different looks and so far the clients like the variety.
Having cameras of all 3 sensor sizes…. The difference between FF and medium format is much more pronounced! Also because the lenses for GFX are amazing!
I own a Fujifilm X-H2 today. Watching this video there is a small diffrent between aps-c and full frame.. With that said, if im gonna go for a bigger sensor some day im going for medium format.
Great content. I moved from crop to full frame... only time I'll pick a crop is for that extra reach... in wildlife. Commenting from Ghana 🇬🇭 you've helped me improve my photography. 😊
That color depth finding is very informative Manny thank you so much. You're the only one who points that out. Hope you can pursue that with medium vs FF vs APSC a bit more. You're 3 points are on point. Thank you again.
I'll be honest, I love the Nikon z- mount lenses, I don't think anything compares at that quality and price level. For me though, I pretty much shoot at f/8 all day. All my fuji glass is plenty sharp at that aperture and there's the weight savings. So basically I agree with your assessment. Thanks for putting the work in and staying as objective as possible.
@@Vahagraphyfor these specific tests and this specific video topic, the lens has absolutely nothing to do with the outcome of the results. He wasn't necessarily testing bokeh or auto focus here.
In bright daylight and 100 iso, 35mm and APS-C look almost identical, but that changes when you bump-up the iso. Modern crop sensor is able to do what 35mm used to do 10 years ago.
Thats probably the best comparison in the old crop full frame debate Ive heard. Im an old retired cop from Scotland who used the Nikon ff for years ending with the D850 and the usual heavy glass Now use the new Fuji XH2 which suites my stock and architectural stuff and its tough enough to stand my dropping the bloody thing as I do on occasion Still miss the D850 but it was time for change and the fuji fits the bill Great video as always 👍👍
Great video. I have the X-H2 and love it. I also own various Nikon Z bodies as well as various Sony full frame bodies. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. I appreciate what these companies are doing and the final images I can get from them regardless the brand, lens option or sensor size.
You are the perfect person to lend an opinion! I've used everything but primarily Nikon, finally bought a Z6ii after fw 2.0, but sold it for an A7iv for glass $ and AF performance. I'm looking hard at Fuji right now with their 3rd party Tammy/Sigma support... I have a family of 8 and all my youngsters shoot used/older Finepix Bridge cameras and we love the menus and OOC JPEGs... How is the Lowlight performance on the Fujis? With the Nikon ZF now available and more 3rd party/affordable glass, Nikon is still a compelling option (Assuming the Z6iii has what the ZF has with AF/3D etc.). Adapted F glass and FTZ is also a very viable option with used Z5's for my kids... but Fuji is smaller, more fun in some ways. I'm looking specifically at the X-H2, a used X-T4, and maybe an X-s10 to start. Anyway, since you have shot everything I have, I'd love your 2 cents on it. Thanks!
@@cohoonatubedude I know it’s old but I will give it a shot. I have owned Nikon, Sony, and fuji. All this to end up back with Nikon. Own z9, z7, z6. Have owned xt3, sh1, a73, a7r3. I just couldn’t with Sony. Looked good on white skin but took work on darker skin. Loved Fuji but felt I was giving up a little bit of that full frame look i like. I found no problems in low light or noise with fuji. Now with the zf out I am going to sell the z6/z7 for that. Make that my everyday camera and second shooter at events/weddings if needed. After that I am sitting still for 10 years. These cameras meet more than my needs. Keep in mind I never buy new. I buy gently used from a trusted seller. Well the 50 1.2 I got new. Family of 8 let’s see. If everybody needs a camera I would go 1 to 2 of the newer cameras (at used price). Say two zf if you like the sexy llook of it. I would go as cheep as I could after that in the used market. Z7/z6. Then z50s for the rest. If you are good with the apsc look then you can get all 1.8 glass and also some apsc glass. Fuji is not a bad route but if you ever wanted to get back into full frame you are either working in for two systems or you have to sale and rebuild. If f the budget is higher I would substitute a z8/z9 in there. I would skip the z6ii/z7ii all together as I feel the AF is no better than the z6i/z7i. Also the z6iii is on the way. When that hits I think it will drive down the zf price used. That’s when I plan to strike. Also you can go a few dslrs for the younger ones in your families and used the glass they have adapted. Then you can go cheaper full frame with them. I am thinking d600/d700. Hell they also giving away d3s/d4 right now. Good luck!!!
Great video; I agree. My $0.02: I love Nikon colours but love the Fuji 40mp xtrans sensor and colours more. Pair that with fast Viltrox glass, shoot in raw, and the DoF and pop are fantastic. Plus a smaller body and lenses. All up, with much cheaper prices, the Fuji system is better value for $$.
Great discussion! One of the key reasons that you noted for using smaller cameras is fun, which is often overlooked. Bigger is not usually better in that case, and frankly results I’ve seen with smaller sensor cameras are as good or occasionally better (subjective) if used in only social media. Probably not the case if used for professional work, but I’ve seen many (endless almost) comparisons of FF to APSC and MFT on TH-cam as a an example and not uncommon for the smaller sensor to look as good (in reasonable light) which makes a lot of sense given the limits placed on social media. Often even action cameras the best choice, say if vlogging. That said, if you enjoy doing the creative work with any camera then that’s the tool for you. Last, I’m always challenged by folks referencing the term AI in cameras; at best it could be considered weak AI, though wait a year or so and that may not be the case. May not need a camera very often, unless it’s for fun!
I totally agree with your conclusion, I switched from Nikon, full frame to Fujifilm, and I do a lot of lowlight photography, recovering information that I used to be able to recover from my full frame is not the same. I will hold onto my Fujifilm equipment, but I will be returning back to Nikon full frame soon.
I really enjoy videos like this that get into the specifics of shooting instead of just throwing around terms without context...thanks...this helped me understand WHY the differences are what they are between the 2 sensor formats.
I am using both systems professional. Sony and Fujifilm. I love the colors from the Fuji more. But at the end when I finished processing my photos and blend them together, I can't tell you anymore from which camera I took the photo. Autofocus from the Sony is much better. The discussion about sharpness from lenses needs a new standard in my opinion. My Sony 35mm 1.4 is super sharp but I love the sharpness from my old Fuji 18mm F2. I hope the new standard will be the character of a lens and not sharpness as a marketing tool. Keep shooting!
Thanks Manny-- a very interesting comparison. My ( expensive) solution is to have both systems . I have recently returned to shooting with my crop sensor a6500 and am really enjoying how portable the set up is especially with the Sigma lenses.
I shoot both. Fuji XH2S for the stacked sensor. And an XT5 for the Fuji retro design and higher mp. Leica SL2 for studio and a Panasonic S1R as back up. All are winners in their own right.
@@MannyOrtiz btw. Remember the photo walk in NYC at Javits. The cop who loves DSLR’s. Well years later lovin how you blew up and I’m here shooting mirrorless. Great times indeed. Stay safe brother.
As far as colour goes, Fuji has it right outside the box! I think people get too obsessed about every little detail in editing. Part of the reason I think people don’t get better at their picture taking, is because there inside editing too much and not outside making images! Or they spend too much time, talking about equipment instead of taking more images. But then again, I’m not a pro and I’m retired. Just observations after doing street photography for over six years.
Man, that last whisper... I feel the same ! :) I work with APS-C (Fuji X), and now I work with medium format (GFX), and for my work (macrophotography) I'm very tempted to try those Z models with the Z105mm MC lens... It's never ending : manufacturers are producing tools that just are better and better, and I'm so into this (enjoyable) journey of constantly testing gear. I try to convince myself that there's a tool of all trades, but it's becoming so obvious : there's not. Different tools for different jobs. As you greatly said. So... that whisper !! ;) Thanks for your vibes and great vidz. 🙏
Why light the shadow side. It is much more interesting for the contrast to side light the subject and use an average metering under exposing 1/3 stop and voila! I own APSC, FF and MF. My last ELLE cover was shot with the X-H2. It was a Special Louis Vuitton.
Interesting perspective, thanks for sharing. I would just note that the quality difference you have been experiencing while editing raw files is more related to the RAF vs NEF format then APS-C vs Full Frame. Fuji's raw files do not play well with most editing tools, while Nikon's raw is on the opposite side - well supported and easy to work with...
Please 🙏 @MannyOrtiz 🙏 Could you share a few RAW files? How trust the TH-cam compression codec for colors, noise, sharpness, etc. ? We need to play with raw files in Capture One, Iridient N-Transformer versus Iridient X-Transformer, and even DxO PhotoLab & DxO PureRaw. Just for checking out how those new sensors handle colors @12:55
Had the XT5 meanwhile but went back to Nikon FF. In ideal conditions, Iittle differences but once you increase iso…that XT5 sensor isn’t forgiving at all 😁 Nice work by the way! 👍🏼
Same here. I had the XT5 for awhile but went back to Nikon Z too. At iso 125 it’s ok, dynamic range is alright but when you move over 125 not that great especially with the xtrans sensor and its noise worm artifacts. And when you compare lens prices it’s not even an argument because the Nikon 1.8’s are simply amazing and cheaper than Fuji equivalent. I still love Fuji X system but I don’t like their xtrans sensors, they are really demanding on the software and computer.
It is Achilles' heel of crop sensor compare to ff sensor, especially Nikon FF is great on high iso, It is outperform even when you compare with Canon or Sony.
Yep, the difference is not when you are in ideal conditions but when the lighting or more importantly lack of it situations. There is two obvious advantage where the FF is better and not represented in this test, one is the low light and secondly bokeh. I mean here we are in full midday light and secondly enough space to be able to compensate for the shallow deptg of field. In a bar or a wedding, you won't have same space to backoff if you want.
@@studiophoto4869 Do Nikons not get any worm artefacts? I edited some Sony shots and just for fun pushed both Fuji/Sony sharpening sliders to the max. Both had the same amount of worms.
A7C is the same size and weight and there are small and compact lenses. heck the setup may be even lighter than APSC. sony 55 1.8, sony 35 1.8, samyang 24 1.8
@@DDHDTV I considered the a7c, but I find the X-T5 more fun to use & I like having the film simulations available to me. Also if you want smaller lenses for a7c, your selection is more limited. Whereas nearly everything available for x mount is going to be smaller than sony full frame lens equivalents.
Hey Manny, great video. I do want to ask why you compared the Z8 to the X-T5 rather than the XH-2? That would be more of a an apt comparison in terms of "bells and whistles" - not only from a video perspective (which I know you didn't touch on as the Z8 may be leaps and and bounds better with raw internal, etc.) but also from a photo perspective over the X-T5. The EVF alone is bigger (sharper) on the X-H2. Just curious. Thanks for the videos and your great takes on things!
@@tonyjames2144 all true though I still think the X-H2 has a few more bells and whistles. I have the X-H2 and I love it. Stellar image quality - I really can't complain. What I'm running into is glass for sports. Do you sacrifice speed for reach or vice versa? That's why I'm torn between sticking with the xh2 or getting the Z8.
@@CorwinParks I have been a fujifilm shooter since x-pro 1 and I now have X-H2s x-t5 and x-pro3 and I am selling h2s and t5 to get Nikon z8 or sony a7rv I need reliable auto focus and I need better lowlight I am finally tired of missing these two things I will keep my x-pro3 because its made in Japan and ill keep my 16mm 1.4 (fave lens ever) and my 50 f/2 fujicron.I want FF period point blank
@@tonyjames2144 my first fuji was the x-t20 when it came out then the x-t4 then x-h2. Still have all of them. I'll probably keep them but the z8 is almost a full frame xh2 and a cinema camera with autofocus with raw internal video and that's perfect for me. Maybe my kit will be the z8 and xh2 🤷🏾♂️
Really liked the comparison, and definitely see the big difference in flexibility with the files. I'm a Fuji shooter, and for the way I use the system, I'm fine not having that flexibility- I tend to be going for a certain look out of camera and only do a little bit of tweaking in post to fix exposure and contrast the way I want it... And I think that's also the real compelling reason to buy into the Fuji system- the amount of customization in camera. I don't see buying a crop body now except for Fuji given whats happening with the market, Canon stuff is getting way expensive, Sony isn't really doing anything with APS-C, and Nikon has limited options too. And I think you'd really have to want the "Fuji Experience" even then- Buying an X-T5 with the 16-55 is more expensive as I write this than buying a Nikon Z6-II and the 28-75 2.8...
That's the biggest issue with Fuji. I love Fujifilm, but the price is hard to justify. This wasn't an issue because you could get used gear for pretty cheap but even that has been inflated. Something I actually didn't anticipate with all the new gear is missing an optical viewfinder. I actually picked up an old Nikon DSLR and have really been enjoying it. I'm looking forward to when a new x pro is announced. I'd love to see just the optical viewfinder with the small evf patch in the corner and that be it. Great video Manny!
Sincerely compared to the days of me buying a d300 and now, where you can get very capable full frame cameras for not much more. The nikon z5 is a little outdated now (video) , but it is so competitive @against apsc cameras.
@@el_cabroncitoI was going to say the same thing. Crazy how small and light the 18-50 2.8 Sigma is. I’m actually thinking of picking up the Tamron 17-70 2.8 for its range and paired with my xh2s with its stacked sensor up to 40 RAW/second is a great deal for a $2500 USD price. Also bought mine when Fuji gave a free Delkin 386GB CF express B card
I’m a canon R5 user and im buying the x-t5 I feel I won’t be using my r5 once I get it just isn’t fun to me using it anymore specially the high price and no 3rd party options fuji the way to go 🙌🏾
I have full, apsc and m4/3. Full frame is my main lens selection system. AF is better on the top-end full frame currently (can do sport and BIF and get more in focus shots). As an event photographers low light and lowlight AF, sometimes that it is much needed. My aps-c is a walkaround for fun and video. M4/3 as a pocket camera, got the smallest one with kit lens. But Canon and Sony has been bring some good AF for their aps-c. Nikon Z8 AF is way better than their aps-c. fuji, I hear is getting better.
This test is complicated. We are testing the Nikon at 1.8 and the Fuji at. 1.2? a 2.25x faster lens on the Fuji (the Northrup factor). On the other hand, the Fuji lens is just slightly more expensive than the Nikon, but that is a brand difference. With the light conversion, they should look almost identical, but one can put an adapted 1.4 lens on the Nikon or a 1.2 after you sell something. We also did not test low light. Finally, it's the price. Good video.
You still need to multiply the crop sensors lens by the crop factor. That includes the aperture too. But he should have used a similar lens on both. He used lenses that would be similar AFTER crop factor multiplication. Basically balancing out the cameras. But that's defeating the purpose of a comparison.
Oh - all so true! BUT…… most of us aren’t pro shooters doing portrait or product shoots. A couple of different comparisons might give very different conclusions. A Fuji X-T5 + a Viltrox 75mm f1.2 - cost about £2200 in the UK, a great portrait set up. Spend the same on a FF camera and lens THEN do the comparisons for IQ and versatility. Or, X-T5 with 100 - 400mm +1.4 TC (F8) for wildlife. On FF an 800mm lens needed for comparison. For small birds and animals alarge DoF is usually needed so the FF would have to be stopped down. Either slower shutter or higher ISO to compensate with a loss of IQ as a result. Think of the weight to carry on the hills or through the forests here too. Either of these scenarios is anyone still betting on the FF as the better system? Final thought on this. The Canon 7D, unlike the 1D, 5D or 6D is a crop sensor with a low pixel count. It’s marketed for wildlife and sports because it extends the range of lenses for these purposes. It’s ‘horses for courses’, personally, as a hobbyist, I shoot a couple of Fuji bodies with a good range of lens options and can cover a wide range of different types of photography. I don’t need or want a full frame camera.
I think the weight part is funny. As someone who focuses on wildlife I know the lenses for that world are big....so I work out and built my strength so that those lenses and bodies aren't heavy to me. I have zero back pain when carrying a 200-500 f/5.6 nikon lens with my Z8 for 8-10 miles. If you are someone who is weaker or older or has health issues then sure go with M43 and get the reach with much smaller lenses.
Thanks, great!! I agree by experience: GFX50R > XH1 > Z6 II .......... XH1 + 90mm/f2 is so much fun (street photography and documentation). The 90mm is an unbeliveable lens .. the colors are stright ooc perfect .. the resolution is so mindblowing .. that I never miss my Nikon gear when going out at night .......... Fuji Universe is perfectly made to satisfy the best of both worlds: the fun-factor an ease of use + fantastic lenses of an APS-C + the richness in colors and dynamics "beyond fullframe" .......... Coming from a D750 + Nikon/Tamron Lenses .. switching to Nikon mirrorless never satisfied me, even if the mentioned advantages of FF over APS-C still exist in 2023. So I decided grabbing a used D850 for a dedicated FF setup .. mirrorless just Fuji ........
Let's just say , you are more comfortable shooting with the full frame , over shooting with a APS-C ! And that's cool ! I love my APS-C cameras ! In my opinion it can do just as good as full frame ! Nice Video tutorial on this subject .
Size and weight are my top priorities. I find people in general are more comfortable around smaller gear. That's great for good photos and video. Price is a Huge factor for me since everything seems to be going up. If you work exclusively in a studio, I would recommend full frame. But if you are on the go, run and gun, weddings, events, shooting video, parties, outdoors, urban, then Fujifilm is a must. For video, I'm thinking of making a MFT rig, just because I want to keep the weight down. The smaller cameras are just more pleasurable to use. But I do believe full frame is necessary. If a client specifically requests full frame, then what are you gonna do? Many ad companies, magazines, and other professions want full frame, so if you want to get paid then it's probably best to own both full frame and apsc - IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT!
I see a lot of people discuss pushing ISO on aps-c is not quite the same as FF in low light conditions, can we not just adjust for that with flashes and modifiers?
@@kylegoodman5196 ,,,sure he liked the faster focusing and perhaps more bells and whistles of the Full Frame. All things being even, bigger sensor is better, in most cases!
@@RickMentore no shit Rick. We're deciding whether it's worth it for the general population that would be watching these videos. Which it probably isn't
For work, full frame is just so convenient. Worrying less about dynamic range, noise, bokeh is easier. I enjoy apsc for the size. If anything I'm more annoyed that Fuji are still using xtrans because Lightroom doesn't handle it as well and Sony still haven't released their a6700.
SOOC, side by side, it’s easy to see the superior Fuji color science, IMO. Just look at skin tones and green leaf colors. Very obvious. Yes, not the point of this video.
I think one thing more people really need to know more about regarding the Fuji image quality: It's much much better in Capture One. Lightroom and ACR/Photoshop are incapable of properly handling the raw files. It's a very simple test to see for yourself. Zoom in 100-150% on the same image in each software and you'll see that there's a huge huge quality difference that affects color corrections, and most of all, sharpness. Sharpening Fuji files inside of Lightroom, for some reason, is quite ugly looking.
Z8 vs the H2S would be better as both are stacked sensors. Fuji stacked sensor also is xtrans vs the older z8 sony bayer sensor. Would love to see your artistic and pro take on these Manny.
On my IPhone 12 Pro Max “tiny” screen, the Z8 files combined with the 85mm 1.8 look more pleasing to me. I am recent owner of the Z8 but I am a bit concerned about global sharpness when zoomed in, even at lower iso and high shutter speeds shot at F2.8-F8. The details seem not perfectly represented, the pixels seem shifting horizontally as if the electronic shutter isn’t able to catch pure detail at once. Did you experience this ?
You always present an organized well balanced review and fair comparison presentations. If the Fuji XH2S would have been higher megapixels it would have been great for me rather than spitting the XH2/XH2 for sharpness and video content. For the money the Nikon Z8 combines the XH2 and the XH2S for 900.00 more. This makes me want to sell my XH2 for the Nikon Z8. Excellent presentation as always Manny. Your style of review with your extremely sincere non biased balanced approach causes me to watch every review that you make regardless of the system. I then learn about photography and video presentation as a caveat. Thanks
Moved to FF Nikon D780, mainly because of investment already made in Nikkor lenses. My photo needs are travel, vacation, landscape and architecture. I need and appreciate the improvement in low light performance. When traveling, you need to get the shot when you are there, because you can't come back tomorow for better light.
Very fair comparison! I was in Sony’s full-frame system for years and I realized two things: First off, the results were stunning when edited in LR, not so stunning wenn taking jpegs. I found some good settings for jpegs ooc but never was really satisfied. And secondly, I just had not that much fun shooting Sony. It was more like playing with a computer then with a camera. That is why I tried some Fuji-bodies. And last year I completely changed to Fuji-X. The fun is back, the results (with good glass like the 18mm f1.4 and since some weeks with the X-T5) are really good, even as jpegs ooc, which is one of my main reasons for changing my gear. I am a bit more than just a hobbyist. I take pictures of events, do portraits and everyday shots for a homepage but am not paid directly for that. My time is limited so I am grateful for the excellent results of Fuji’s jpegs ooc and with the X-T5 I feel like nothing is missing compared to the A7III I used. Sure you can expose raw better with full-frame-sensors and there is simply not such thing like an 85mm f1.2 on aps-c. For real pro-work a full-frame system means more possibilities. However i am very satisfied with Fuji-X in almost every regard so I do not regret changing. Cheers!
Very great video. You say it, the choice of the sensor size on each usage and purpose. Medium Formats are extremely good for commercial products shots or fashion shots which not require a great auto focus anywhere everything is controlled in there you will have the best quality who is the best resolution. And after it depends if you are a professional or amateur of course
I hear you barking big dog. I shot Fuji for ten years and had all of the APSC bodies and most of the lenses. Once I started getting more bookings and my work was more demanding and serious, I unfortunately had to ditch Fuji and I've moved over to two Z6ii bodies and 5 of their lenses. I really miss the dials and buttons and real aperture rings on the Fuji. As you say, the smaller lighter kit, and here in Australia, the gear is literally half the price of what I paid for my full Nikon kit earlier on this year. Having said that though, it was the best thing I ever did. My clients noticed the difference - not only me. If I don't totally nail the exposure (particularly in high ISO), I can still pull up shadows on my Nikon files. When I tried that with the Fuji, the image would often turn to custard. The benefits really are quite big. That is coming from somebody who did not want to change. When I shoot wedding receptions in dark rooms or gigs after dark, I stride in with confidence knowing that my NEF files will come out looking great. In my Fuji lifetime, I kind of crept in like an imposter, knowing that these high ISO RAF files are not going to be looking very good! All I've got to do now is try to afford the Z8 (7K body only here in Auss)!!
I greatly appreciate this video and the information you provided. I feel that you are more professional than most of the professionals out there. They review the x-h2 and other APS-C cameras and 4/3rd cameras and compare them with their own Full Frame Cameras! Doesn't make sense. of course always full frame cameras will have the most advantages when it comes to image quality, dynamic ranges of colors, low light performance, etc. similar to comparing Medium and Full sensors. The goal of your comparison in this video was clear from the very beginning that how two sensors differ in performance and quality but not as a review for this camera and comparing it with that other camera from different sensor size. This is professional comparison. greatly appreciated. Could you make a video about what each of the sensor sizes is good for? I have a Olympus and Recently got the x-h2. They both kind of doing what I need them to do. with few exceptions that the x-h2 is better in doing like the buffer and continuing shooting while maintaining -as much as possible- the subject in focus. I would really appreciate knowing if I got the right camera to do the right job for me. But I am still confused on when and why to buy this sensor and not that and for what reason. I am into street photography, portraits, sometime wide life and nature, and finally cars and sport. Please, advise me and kindly make a video about this topic. Thank you again.
Full frame will always have that added flexibility that crop sensors can't compete with. In great lighting nothing really changes, but the differences become stark in difficult situations. The amount of times I've had to push to 6400-10000 ISO on my A7iii and it still comes out fairly usable. I just feel less confident in a crop sensor, the most open glass is still not as open as full frame. All the difference is in the difficult situations, not easy softly lit shots. Great vid as always Manny- always saying what I'm thinking
@@djstuc I'm not saying it's impossible, but having a bigger sensor + a faster lens just means you get cleaner images. that simple- Medium format would be even better but they have shitty AF so that's not worth the trade off imo.
@@ayushsaha4656 i own a gh5 with a tiny mft sensor and fast lenses. I never had problems with low light when i Occasionally shoot outside in the evening. Denoise software is great also nowadays
I am a Fujifilm user; side by side I can tell which one is which. Besides different image compression, Fuji's photos are still too soft, they are not nailing focus as well as other systems; you can notice that specially in the eyes. Take a look at 12:54, fuji even has more purple fringing. I sadly see that they still, in 2023, have not improve this with the new cameras. Reason why I switching. Thanks for video Manny.
I went from Fuji to Sony and sometimes i wonder if made the right decision, but there is just aomething about that full frame pop that reminds me i made the right choice. You can edit colours in post but you cant edit IQ.
Did exactly the same. I don’t regret the ability to just capture my kid in motion without missing a shot, where Fuji was just meh. Can’t beat the Fuji colour though.
I prefer high-specced APS-C cameras these days (Fujifilm to be precise). The only thing I miss sometimes is the DOF. ISO in low-light I don't care anymore. Sometimes I like the grain and if it bothers me, there are various KI tools to get rid of the noise. Price and size for camera and lenses are highly in favor for the APS-C cameras and that's why I choose them.
Hello I just can't decide which to buy between this 2 choices since they are both priced similar at $1500 a. Sony ZV-e10 with Sigma 16mm 1.4 & Sigma 56mm 1.4 b. Canon eos RP with Canon Rf 16mm 2.8 & Canon Rf 50mm 1.8 what would be your choice? at first I was sure with Canon cause its full frame but now I am slowly getting attracted with the Sony option because of that sigma lenses. PS. Gonna use them for event photogaphy/video.
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I totally agree with your conclusion. I choose Fuji for it’s size / weight (a real blessing with my back issues) and tactile experience. I do however slightly prefer full frame but it wasn’t enough of a difference to warrant carrying a larger and heavier kit.
Great video and great comparison. The biggest thing I hope most folks got from this is that Crop Sensor is very capable for even paying work. (this coming from a wedding photographer who shoots Fujifilm 😉)
Yeah this video only shows how close it really is. Like I said with my medium format analogy, it’s just as close to full frame as full frame is to Fuji medium format. It’s so close that you have to really push the files to start seeing the small differences
@jbivphotography nice to hear on this one. You're a man who knows his thing
I feel like the gap is so small now, used to be a lot. I sold all my Sony FF gear for Fuji and I've been loving it. Got the X-H2S and the X-T5.
@@LegacyGuitars and what is the difference compared to Sony?
@@LegacyGuitars same! when I picked up the x100v and I saw how great the images looked out of camera I was convinced and left Sony and picked up the x pro 3 and x-t5 and its been great! bit of learning with getting my settings right but I love what I'm getting from them and how much time I don't spend editing
You put that really well. What works for one person may not work for another so I can appreciate the reasoning you put into this video. I shot full frame Nikon for over 10 years. After getting a Fuji for personal use I eventually tried it professionally due to the size/weight. Now I’ve completely swapped over and for my workflow I would consider that an upgrade! Great Video!
The EVF on the Z8 is incredible. It's completely changed my shooting experience, affecting both how often I use the EVF and how much I enjoy it when I do. It gets extremely bright, as well, which is so helpful when shooting outdoors in bright sunlight.
Bit confused by this. According to DPReview, they both have the same size EVF. Nikon 0.8x, Fuji 1.2× (0.8× 35mm equiv.)
Totally agree. It’s all subjective. I switched from a full frame Nikon D610 to Fujifilm X-T1 and I definitely saw a slight downgrade in image quality. Especially in terms of noise when brightening shadows. But the small size and weight of both the camera and the lenses, and the physical dials, made me never look back. Now I use X-T5 and it’s fantastic. I sometimes DO miss the sensor in my old Nikon, but that is the only thing I miss from it.
I am still using my D600. Still working after 11 years. Will migrate to Z8 when I go Mirrorless.
I feel the same way. I switched from Sony A7R III to Fuji XT3. Haven't looked back since, but man do I miss Sony sometimes lol
New Sony full frames are smaller than Fujifilm.
Ive been shooting on the XH2 for over a year now. I love that camera. I came from an XT3, so I had a collection of lenses. I love what I can do with my camera.
I do look at full frame cameras now and then. The Nikkon ZF looks pretty cool. But I would never give up my Fuji.
The Nikon ZF is a nightmare of a camera, lol. It’s hilariously outclassed in many ways. The sensor and tech is great, but everything else is virtually inferior about the camera because it’s a modified tribute to the Nikon FE from 1977. SD card in the battery door, only one SD card slot, terrible ergonomics, and no User custom buttons. The position of the dials at the top is great for people over the age of 40 who grew up with film cameras, and enthusiasts who want to…pretend they’re shooting a film camera? Flippy screen is nice though! You’d be hard pressed to call this camera worth traveling with as you need a 3rd party grip which also clips in the way of the battery door. The camera works against you in so many ways, against convenience, and you don’t want that in a camera. Just het the Z7-Ii for the price, or a Z8 if you actually have the money.
- someone who owned both.
Crop/Fuji shooters stand up! When our $1700 body is competing with the more expensive $4000+ bodies, we win! We spend less with a much better ROI! I love shooting crop.
RIGHT THO! As a working professional, I can spend less, and get amazing results. And at the end of the day your paying clients are not going to know the difference. It's really photographers just feeling like FF is better. That ROI is amazing with Fujifilm cameras.
@@jbivphotographynot even "photographers" it's people who are easily influenced by TH-camrs. Tons of pros shoot Olympus still even
In bright day light yes, when you go in darker situation like most pros shooting events and wedding etc it is different. This is the 4k camera, but when the successor to the z6, will come out you will get a 2k camera that will surely have perhaps a little less speed etc but image wise will be less noisier than even the z8 and buy cheaper 1.8 primes or 2.8 zoom that are quite competitive in price. You would need 1.2 primes and 2.0 zooms in apsc to compare.
@danielvilliers612 with modern AI/production tools low light is a non-issue as you can effectively increase the dynamic range through AI.
Crop sensors in modern times make more sense. People will argue "more bokeh on FF". If you don't get enough bokeh on a crop sensor f1.4 lens then you're doing something wrong
How do you win? Many just did the basic comparison, which even a film camera would produce great results, is that your baseline to win, because the $4000 camera gives you raw video, extremely high burst rates, cutting edge Af etc..etc..
I liked the Fuji images more and would not have been able to tell which file was which if you did not note them. The Fuji colors were better imo.
Nice video. Just one small thing: one should always use Capture One with Fuji. Lightroom has still not mastered it.
Came here to say this. It’s a bummer Lightroom don’t play well with Fuji photos but you truly can’t get an apples to apples comparison on color degrading by processing both files through Lightroom
Hey just saw your comment, I’m doing photography and i always used lightroom, what’s capture one, it’s another editing program?
@@Tony.Visual Lightroom still has problems rendering the X-Trans Files perfectly. Though there has been an improvement, I haven't tried for years. One either needs an extra program before importing into LR or one has to use Capture One which is a professional editing program. I can recommend it, but it is not cheap.
@@macmac6479 there’s something i can use before import in lightroom? Because i usually work with lightroom and photoshop, so if i will try to change with capture one will i still be able to work as I’m doing now
@@Tony.Visual Used to be Iridient X. But as I said, C1 is probably the easiest way for Fujifilm
After YEARS I finally got my dream camera, the a7iii. Thanks Manny for all your helpful guides
I went to bestbuy to buy a7ii but after testing the auto focus of a7iii had to just buy that borrowing from my credit cards. Couldn't resist 😄
The A7III is still a beast of a camera and the value it offers is unbeatable. WIth the money saved by using a used one, you can really get some sweet glass to go with it.
the colors could also be different on the fuji because they use the XTrans sensor. many computer programs specialize in bayer sensors. a bayer vs bayer apsc comparison would be interesting here
yep I think that's the issue with the plug in he is using
Yes, for Fuji I am using Capture One to reach the best results of Xtrans ... I did the test - downloaded the raw file from dpreview in resolution comparison test and developed in capture one - there were huge differences in the details, etc ... I dont know how LightRoom handle the xtrans files now ...
Could have been but he specifically shoots Fuji for his personal photography for years. Doubt he would not know that
The needed end result really depends. I shoot a R6 and X-H2, the R6 is for paid work headshot/portrait and H2 is for personal stuff/artistic shoots. I really think the XT5/H2 can handle 95% of most people’s needs. The overall rig weight and cost has me leaning towards Fuji. 45-61mp FF definitely have their place, not denying that but APSC from 5 years ago is not APSC today, that is like the higher end FF closed the gap on Medium Format.
Hello MichaelFrederickPhoto, you prefer to shoot with the R6 for work, for portraits in particular, rather than with your Fuji which Canon lens do you use for that ? I just saw a video of an X-H2 with the latest Viltrox AF 75 F1.2 PRO and I must say that for the price of the lens I find the end result simply amazing ! Thank you, best, Ludo
@@ludowild Hi there, the R6 i shoot Sigma 40 or 105mm 1.4 as well as Tamron G2 70-200 2.8. The 105mm lens is soooo good especially on headshots.
I love the 105 fov so I also have the 75mm for the XH2. The size and weight is a huge draw, the 105 i really use for studio work mostly now. I do a good amount of HS SR portrait shoots so I bring both rigs with me to give them different looks and so far the clients like the variety.
@@MichaelFrederickPhoto Thank you very much for your feedback, it's very interesting! Best from France, Ludo
Having cameras of all 3 sensor sizes…. The difference between FF and medium format is much more pronounced! Also because the lenses for GFX are amazing!
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Came to say the same
1) Congrats on being totally honest in regards to differences between various formats.
2) In regards to Fujifilm raw files, Capture One still rocks...
I own a Fujifilm X-H2 today. Watching this video there is a small diffrent between aps-c and full frame..
With that said, if im gonna go for a bigger sensor some day im going for medium format.
Best comparison of the different sensor sizes I’ve seen in forever. This is spot on.
Great content. I moved from crop to full frame... only time I'll pick a crop is for that extra reach... in wildlife. Commenting from Ghana 🇬🇭 you've helped me improve my photography. 😊
Yes bro! 🙌🏾🇬🇭
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I Just said the same thing! and from Ghana too! nice one.
@@tulley50 cool bro. 😅
@@barrakelmahmoud ohw wow. That's awesome 👌
@@gregoryzigah3947 I moved from full frame to crop then back to fx, now I have all three 😆
That color depth finding is very informative Manny thank you so much. You're the only one who points that out. Hope you can pursue that with medium vs FF vs APSC a bit more. You're 3 points are on point. Thank you again.
I'll be honest, I love the Nikon z- mount lenses, I don't think anything compares at that quality and price level. For me though, I pretty much shoot at f/8 all day. All my fuji glass is plenty sharp at that aperture and there's the weight savings. So basically I agree with your assessment. Thanks for putting the work in and staying as objective as possible.
To bad he's using a Cheap 85 lens on the Z8. You put a real NIKKOR Z lens and it will smoke the 3rd party Viltrox.
@@Vahagraphy The 85 1.2 may smoke the Viltrox, but it's pretty close in comparison to the 85 1.8 Z lens.
f8 all day!? dang what subjects do you shoot. Your framing must be really good to not lean on subjective blur
@@Vahagraphyfor these specific tests and this specific video topic, the lens has absolutely nothing to do with the outcome of the results. He wasn't necessarily testing bokeh or auto focus here.
@@northofbrandonlikely landscapes
Love my Nikon Z8 with an 85mm f/1.2 really amazing combo.
As usual fantastic video! I use full frame, micro 4/3 and aps-c and each one has certain advantages: pick the right tool for the job
In bright daylight and 100 iso, 35mm and APS-C look almost identical, but that changes when you bump-up the iso.
Modern crop sensor is able to do what 35mm used to do 10 years ago.
Thats probably the best comparison in the old crop full frame debate Ive heard. Im an old retired cop from Scotland who used the Nikon ff for years ending with the D850 and the usual heavy glass Now use the new Fuji XH2 which suites my stock and architectural stuff and its tough enough to stand my dropping the bloody thing as I do on occasion Still miss the D850 but it was time for change and the fuji fits the bill Great video as always 👍👍
Great video. I have the X-H2 and love it. I also own various Nikon Z bodies as well as various Sony full frame bodies. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. I appreciate what these companies are doing and the final images I can get from them regardless the brand, lens option or sensor size.
You are the perfect person to lend an opinion! I've used everything but primarily Nikon, finally bought a Z6ii after fw 2.0, but sold it for an A7iv for glass $ and AF performance. I'm looking hard at Fuji right now with their 3rd party Tammy/Sigma support... I have a family of 8 and all my youngsters shoot used/older Finepix Bridge cameras and we love the menus and OOC JPEGs... How is the Lowlight performance on the Fujis? With the Nikon ZF now available and more 3rd party/affordable glass, Nikon is still a compelling option (Assuming the Z6iii has what the ZF has with AF/3D etc.). Adapted F glass and FTZ is also a very viable option with used Z5's for my kids... but Fuji is smaller, more fun in some ways. I'm looking specifically at the X-H2, a used X-T4, and maybe an X-s10 to start.
Anyway, since you have shot everything I have, I'd love your 2 cents on it. Thanks!
@@cohoonatubedude I know it’s old but I will give it a shot. I have owned Nikon, Sony, and fuji. All this to end up back with Nikon. Own z9, z7, z6. Have owned xt3, sh1, a73, a7r3. I just couldn’t with Sony. Looked good on white skin but took work on darker skin. Loved Fuji but felt I was giving up a little bit of that full frame look i like. I found no problems in low light or noise with fuji. Now with the zf out I am going to sell the z6/z7 for that. Make that my everyday camera and second shooter at events/weddings if needed. After that I am sitting still for 10 years. These cameras meet more than my needs. Keep in mind I never buy new. I buy gently used from a trusted seller. Well the 50 1.2 I got new. Family of 8 let’s see. If everybody needs a camera I would go 1 to 2 of the newer cameras (at used price). Say two zf if you like the sexy llook of it. I would go as cheep as I could after that in the used market. Z7/z6. Then z50s for the rest. If you are good with the apsc look then you can get all 1.8 glass and also some apsc glass. Fuji is not a bad route but if you ever wanted to get back into full frame you are either working in for two systems or you have to sale and rebuild. If f the budget is higher I would substitute a z8/z9 in there. I would skip the z6ii/z7ii all together as I feel the AF is no better than the z6i/z7i. Also the z6iii is on the way. When that hits I think it will drive down the zf price used. That’s when I plan to strike. Also you can go a few dslrs for the younger ones in your families and used the glass they have adapted. Then you can go cheaper full frame with them. I am thinking d600/d700. Hell they also giving away d3s/d4 right now. Good luck!!!
Great video; I agree. My $0.02: I love Nikon colours but love the Fuji 40mp xtrans sensor and colours more. Pair that with fast Viltrox glass, shoot in raw, and the DoF and pop are fantastic. Plus a smaller body and lenses. All up, with much cheaper prices, the Fuji system is better value for $$.
If photographers cannot take compelling photos with any modern camera nowadays… it’s the photographer
if you really want to take out the perfect colours of fuji and see its maximum potential edit them in capture one and see magic happen.
as far as I know, 56mm APD is not in the fujifilm's recommended list of lenses that will get maximum benefit from the X-T5 40MP sensor
Great discussion! One of the key reasons that you noted for using smaller cameras is fun, which is often overlooked. Bigger is not usually better in that case, and frankly results I’ve seen with smaller sensor cameras are as good or occasionally better (subjective) if used in only social media. Probably not the case if used for professional work, but I’ve seen many (endless almost) comparisons of FF to APSC and MFT on TH-cam as a an example and not uncommon for the smaller sensor to look as good (in reasonable light) which makes a lot of sense given the limits placed on social media. Often even action cameras the best choice, say if vlogging. That said, if you enjoy doing the creative work with any camera then that’s the tool for you. Last, I’m always challenged by folks referencing the term AI in cameras; at best it could be considered weak AI, though wait a year or so and that may not be the case. May not need a camera very often, unless it’s for fun!
I totally agree with your conclusion, I switched from Nikon, full frame to Fujifilm, and I do a lot of lowlight photography, recovering information that I used to be able to recover from my full frame is not the same. I will hold onto my Fujifilm equipment, but I will be returning back to Nikon full frame soon.
I really enjoy videos like this that get into the specifics of shooting instead of just throwing around terms without context...thanks...this helped me understand WHY the differences are what they are between the 2 sensor formats.
I am using both systems professional. Sony and Fujifilm. I love the colors from the Fuji more. But at the end when I finished processing my photos and blend them together, I can't tell you anymore from which camera I took the photo. Autofocus from the Sony is much better. The discussion about sharpness from lenses needs a new standard in my opinion. My Sony 35mm 1.4 is super sharp but I love the sharpness from my old Fuji 18mm F2. I hope the new standard will be the character of a lens and not sharpness as a marketing tool. Keep shooting!
Nicely said 👍
Thanks Manny-- a very interesting comparison. My ( expensive) solution is to have both systems . I have recently returned to shooting with my crop sensor a6500 and am really enjoying how portable the set up is especially with the Sigma lenses.
So True when it comes to color grading Fujifilm file , you are totally right .
If you use C1 or DXO software you will less degrading when editing, no worms, less noise, better color management
I liked the colors of the Fuji images at the beginning.
What is this?
I shoot both. Fuji XH2S for the stacked sensor. And an XT5 for the Fuji retro design and higher mp. Leica SL2 for studio and a Panasonic S1R as back up. All are winners in their own right.
Definitely
@@MannyOrtiz btw. Remember the photo walk in NYC at Javits. The cop who loves DSLR’s. Well years later lovin how you blew up and I’m here shooting mirrorless. Great times indeed. Stay safe brother.
As far as colour goes, Fuji has it right outside the box! I think people get too obsessed about every little detail in editing. Part of the reason I think people don’t get better at their picture taking, is because there inside editing too much and not outside making images!
Or they spend too much time, talking about equipment instead of taking more images.
But then again, I’m not a pro and I’m retired. Just observations after doing street photography for over six years.
Man, that last whisper... I feel the same ! :)
I work with APS-C (Fuji X), and now I work with medium format (GFX), and for my work (macrophotography) I'm very tempted to try those Z models with the Z105mm MC lens...
It's never ending : manufacturers are producing tools that just are better and better, and I'm so into this (enjoyable) journey of constantly testing gear.
I try to convince myself that there's a tool of all trades, but it's becoming so obvious : there's not.
Different tools for different jobs.
As you greatly said.
So... that whisper !! ;)
Thanks for your vibes and great vidz. 🙏
Why light the shadow side. It is much more interesting for the contrast to side light the subject and use an average metering under exposing 1/3 stop and voila! I own APSC, FF and MF. My last ELLE cover was shot with the X-H2. It was a Special Louis Vuitton.
Did you had misfocus problems in portraits with the Z8? The Northrups said that the Nikon sometimes misfocus on the eyelashes or on the wrong eye
If you actually watched the video he said it also wasn't just a Nikon issue
Interesting perspective, thanks for sharing.
I would just note that the quality difference you have been experiencing while editing raw files is more related to the RAF vs NEF format then APS-C vs Full Frame.
Fuji's raw files do not play well with most editing tools, while Nikon's raw is on the opposite side - well supported and easy to work with...
100% correct ! Exactly what I wanted to tell.
Please 🙏 @MannyOrtiz 🙏 Could you share a few RAW files? How trust the TH-cam compression codec for colors, noise, sharpness, etc. ? We need to play with raw files in Capture One, Iridient N-Transformer versus Iridient X-Transformer, and even DxO PhotoLab & DxO PureRaw. Just for checking out how those new sensors handle colors @12:55
Had the XT5 meanwhile but went back to Nikon FF. In ideal conditions, Iittle differences but once you increase iso…that XT5 sensor isn’t forgiving at all 😁 Nice work by the way! 👍🏼
Same here. I had the XT5 for awhile but went back to Nikon Z too. At iso 125 it’s ok, dynamic range is alright but when you move over 125 not that great especially with the xtrans sensor and its noise worm artifacts. And when you compare lens prices it’s not even an argument because the Nikon 1.8’s are simply amazing and cheaper than Fuji equivalent. I still love Fuji X system but I don’t like their xtrans sensors, they are really demanding on the software and computer.
@@studiophoto4869 other great point that TH-camr's rarely mention. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻 🙏🏻
It is Achilles' heel of crop sensor compare to ff sensor, especially Nikon FF is great on high iso, It is outperform even when you compare with Canon or Sony.
Yep, the difference is not when you are in ideal conditions but when the lighting or more importantly lack of it situations. There is two obvious advantage where the FF is better and not represented in this test, one is the low light and secondly bokeh. I mean here we are in full midday light and secondly enough space to be able to compensate for the shallow deptg of field. In a bar or a wedding, you won't have same space to backoff if you want.
@@studiophoto4869 Do Nikons not get any worm artefacts? I edited some Sony shots and just for fun pushed both Fuji/Sony sharpening sliders to the max. Both had the same amount of worms.
As a hobbyist I prefer aps-c and smaller formats for the lower price, smaller lenses and smaller bodies. I have an X-T5 and it is such a fun camera!
A7C is the same size and weight and there are small and compact lenses. heck the setup may be even lighter than APSC. sony 55 1.8, sony 35 1.8, samyang 24 1.8
@@DDHDTV I considered the a7c, but I find the X-T5 more fun to use & I like having the film simulations available to me. Also if you want smaller lenses for a7c, your selection is more limited. Whereas nearly everything available for x mount is going to be smaller than sony full frame lens equivalents.
So pleased to see you back shooting in the street again...Super Video work..
Hey Manny, great video. I do want to ask why you compared the Z8 to the X-T5 rather than the XH-2? That would be more of a an apt comparison in terms of "bells and whistles" - not only from a video perspective (which I know you didn't touch on as the Z8 may be leaps and and bounds better with raw internal, etc.) but also from a photo perspective over the X-T5. The EVF alone is bigger (sharper) on the X-H2. Just curious. Thanks for the videos and your great takes on things!
Would have been basically the same outcome x-h2 x-t5 both 40mp bit bigger viewfinder but in the end all produce great photos
@@tonyjames2144 all true though I still think the X-H2 has a few more bells and whistles. I have the X-H2 and I love it. Stellar image quality - I really can't complain. What I'm running into is glass for sports. Do you sacrifice speed for reach or vice versa? That's why I'm torn between sticking with the xh2 or getting the Z8.
@@CorwinParks I have been a fujifilm shooter since x-pro 1 and I now have X-H2s x-t5 and x-pro3 and I am selling h2s and t5 to get Nikon z8 or sony a7rv I need reliable auto focus and I need better lowlight I am finally tired of missing these two things I will keep my x-pro3 because its made in Japan and ill keep my 16mm 1.4 (fave lens ever) and my 50 f/2 fujicron.I want FF period point blank
@@tonyjames2144 my first fuji was the x-t20 when it came out then the x-t4 then x-h2. Still have all of them. I'll probably keep them but the z8 is almost a full frame xh2 and a cinema camera with autofocus with raw internal video and that's perfect for me.
Maybe my kit will be the z8 and xh2 🤷🏾♂️
Really liked the comparison, and definitely see the big difference in flexibility with the files. I'm a Fuji shooter, and for the way I use the system, I'm fine not having that flexibility- I tend to be going for a certain look out of camera and only do a little bit of tweaking in post to fix exposure and contrast the way I want it... And I think that's also the real compelling reason to buy into the Fuji system- the amount of customization in camera.
I don't see buying a crop body now except for Fuji given whats happening with the market, Canon stuff is getting way expensive, Sony isn't really doing anything with APS-C, and Nikon has limited options too. And I think you'd really have to want the "Fuji Experience" even then- Buying an X-T5 with the 16-55 is more expensive as I write this than buying a Nikon Z6-II and the 28-75 2.8...
That's the biggest issue with Fuji. I love Fujifilm, but the price is hard to justify. This wasn't an issue because you could get used gear for pretty cheap but even that has been inflated. Something I actually didn't anticipate with all the new gear is missing an optical viewfinder. I actually picked up an old Nikon DSLR and have really been enjoying it. I'm looking forward to when a new x pro is announced. I'd love to see just the optical viewfinder with the small evf patch in the corner and that be it. Great video Manny!
Sincerely compared to the days of me buying a d300 and now, where you can get very capable full frame cameras for not much more. The nikon z5 is a little outdated now (video) , but it is so competitive @against apsc cameras.
But you have tamron 17-70 2.8 and 18-50 2.8 for Fuji.
@@el_cabroncitoI was going to say the same thing. Crazy how small and light the 18-50 2.8 Sigma is. I’m actually thinking of picking up the Tamron 17-70 2.8 for its range and paired with my xh2s with its stacked sensor up to 40 RAW/second is a great deal for a $2500 USD price. Also bought mine when Fuji gave a free Delkin 386GB CF express B card
I’m a canon R5 user and im buying the x-t5 I feel I won’t be using my r5 once I get it just isn’t fun to me using it anymore specially the high price and no 3rd party options fuji the way to go 🙌🏾
I have full, apsc and m4/3. Full frame is my main lens selection system. AF is better on the top-end full frame currently (can do sport and BIF and get more in focus shots). As an event photographers low light and lowlight AF, sometimes that it is much needed. My aps-c is a walkaround for fun and video. M4/3 as a pocket camera, got the smallest one with kit lens. But Canon and Sony has been bring some good AF for their aps-c. Nikon Z8 AF is way better than their aps-c. fuji, I hear is getting better.
That was the 1.8 on the nikon? Wow
Thank you Manny one of the best compared reviews until now .
You’re the best Manny💛
Nikon ❤❤❤
This test is complicated. We are testing the Nikon at 1.8 and the Fuji at. 1.2? a 2.25x faster lens on the Fuji (the Northrup factor). On the other hand, the Fuji lens is just slightly more expensive than the Nikon, but that is a brand difference. With the light conversion, they should look almost identical, but one can put an adapted 1.4 lens on the Nikon or a 1.2 after you sell something. We also did not test low light. Finally, it's the price. Good video.
You still need to multiply the crop sensors lens by the crop factor. That includes the aperture too. But he should have used a similar lens on both. He used lenses that would be similar AFTER crop factor multiplication. Basically balancing out the cameras. But that's defeating the purpose of a comparison.
Oh - all so true! BUT…… most of us aren’t pro shooters doing portrait or product shoots. A couple of different comparisons might give very different conclusions. A Fuji X-T5 + a Viltrox 75mm f1.2 - cost about £2200 in the UK, a great portrait set up. Spend the same on a FF camera and lens THEN do the comparisons for IQ and versatility.
Or, X-T5 with 100 - 400mm +1.4 TC (F8) for wildlife. On FF an 800mm lens needed for comparison. For small birds and animals alarge DoF is usually needed so the FF would have to be stopped down. Either slower shutter or higher ISO to compensate with a loss of IQ as a result.
Think of the weight to carry on the hills or through the forests here too.
Either of these scenarios is anyone still betting on the FF as the better system?
Final thought on this. The Canon 7D, unlike the 1D, 5D or 6D is a crop sensor with a low pixel count. It’s marketed for wildlife and sports because it extends the range of lenses for these purposes.
It’s ‘horses for courses’, personally, as a hobbyist, I shoot a couple of Fuji bodies with a good range of lens options and can cover a wide range of different types of photography. I don’t need or want a full frame camera.
I think the weight part is funny. As someone who focuses on wildlife I know the lenses for that world are big....so I work out and built my strength so that those lenses and bodies aren't heavy to me. I have zero back pain when carrying a 200-500 f/5.6 nikon lens with my Z8 for 8-10 miles. If you are someone who is weaker or older or has health issues then sure go with M43 and get the reach with much smaller lenses.
Honestly I like the fuji color and overall rendering of the images better
Thanks, great!! I agree by experience: GFX50R > XH1 > Z6 II .......... XH1 + 90mm/f2 is so much fun (street photography and documentation). The 90mm is an unbeliveable lens .. the colors are stright ooc perfect .. the resolution is so mindblowing .. that I never miss my Nikon gear when going out at night .......... Fuji Universe is perfectly made to satisfy the best of both worlds: the fun-factor an ease of use + fantastic lenses of an APS-C + the richness in colors and dynamics "beyond fullframe" .......... Coming from a D750 + Nikon/Tamron Lenses .. switching to Nikon mirrorless never satisfied me, even if the mentioned advantages of FF over APS-C still exist in 2023. So I decided grabbing a used D850 for a dedicated FF setup .. mirrorless just Fuji ........
Let's just say , you are more comfortable shooting with the full frame , over shooting with a APS-C ! And that's cool ! I love my APS-C cameras ! In my opinion it can do just as good as full frame ! Nice Video tutorial on this subject .
Size and weight are my top priorities. I find people in general are more comfortable around smaller gear. That's great for good photos and video. Price is a Huge factor for me since everything seems to be going up. If you work exclusively in a studio, I would recommend full frame. But if you are on the go, run and gun, weddings, events, shooting video, parties, outdoors, urban, then Fujifilm is a must. For video, I'm thinking of making a MFT rig, just because I want to keep the weight down. The smaller cameras are just more pleasurable to use. But I do believe full frame is necessary. If a client specifically requests full frame, then what are you gonna do? Many ad companies, magazines, and other professions want full frame, so if you want to get paid then it's probably best to own both full frame and apsc - IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT!
2:20 How is that possible? Looking at the two cameras' spec sheets, they both have a half-inch viewfinder with the same resolution and magnification.
I see a lot of people discuss pushing ISO on aps-c is not quite the same as FF in low light conditions, can we not just adjust for that with flashes and modifiers?
It all comes down to bigger sensors are just better! Biggest advantage of APSC cameras; price and size of the camera. Nice work here, Manny!
Manny made a video comparing Medium Format to Full Frame and he liked the smaller full frame setup better.
@@kylegoodman5196 ,,,sure he liked the faster focusing and perhaps more bells and whistles of the Full Frame. All things being even, bigger sensor is better, in most cases!
@@RickMentoreall things considered, the full frame setup isn't 3X as good as apsc, as the price differences would indicate
@@nickguzman1734 All things considered, it what fits one's needs. In most instances, the bigger sensor camera is often better!
@@RickMentore no shit Rick. We're deciding whether it's worth it for the general population that would be watching these videos. Which it probably isn't
For work, full frame is just so convenient.
Worrying less about dynamic range, noise, bokeh is easier.
I enjoy apsc for the size.
If anything I'm more annoyed that Fuji are still using xtrans because Lightroom doesn't handle it as well and Sony still haven't released their a6700.
Why didn't you use the newer version of the XF56mm, instead of the older APD version?
SOOC, side by side, it’s easy to see the superior Fuji color science, IMO. Just look at skin tones and green leaf colors. Very obvious. Yes, not the point of this video.
Beautiful model , beautiful pictures . Great video . Thank you 🙏 ❤
I think one thing more people really need to know more about regarding the Fuji image quality: It's much much better in Capture One. Lightroom and ACR/Photoshop are incapable of properly handling the raw files. It's a very simple test to see for yourself. Zoom in 100-150% on the same image in each software and you'll see that there's a huge huge quality difference that affects color corrections, and most of all, sharpness. Sharpening Fuji files inside of Lightroom, for some reason, is quite ugly looking.
What about autofocus and lowlight ? Is fujifilm so close when it comes to these two factors ?
I’m coming from Sony to XT5 and have invested in godox 400pro. Can I keep my light but change my trigger to fujis?
Do you think you would have the same color differences if you used nikon crop vs fuji? Fuji color is just different IMO.
Great comparison!!! Despite on identical settings, we have a deferend boke, background from Nikon is more creamy...
Z8 vs the H2S would be better as both are stacked sensors. Fuji stacked sensor also is xtrans vs the older z8 sony bayer sensor. Would love to see your artistic and pro take on these Manny.
I have a z7ii and X H2S. Z7 has 1/3rd stop advantage in low light. Other than that it's just picking hairs.
and then it would have to be a low light test
On my IPhone 12 Pro Max “tiny” screen, the Z8 files combined with the 85mm 1.8 look more pleasing to me. I am recent owner of the Z8 but I am a bit concerned about global sharpness when zoomed in, even at lower iso and high shutter speeds shot at F2.8-F8. The details seem not perfectly represented, the pixels seem shifting horizontally as if the electronic shutter isn’t able to catch pure detail at once. Did you experience this ?
The perspective from full frame is so much more flattering
Sony A7RV for the 4 was screen or Fuji for the tactile experience?
What stand are you using for the soft box?
You always present an organized well balanced review and fair comparison presentations.
If the Fuji XH2S would have been higher megapixels it would have been great for me rather than spitting the XH2/XH2 for sharpness and video content.
For the money the Nikon Z8 combines the XH2 and the XH2S for 900.00 more. This makes me want to sell my XH2 for the Nikon Z8.
Excellent presentation as always Manny. Your style of review with your extremely sincere non biased balanced approach causes me to watch every review that you make regardless of the system.
I then learn about photography and video presentation as a caveat. Thanks
Moved to FF Nikon D780, mainly because of investment already made in Nikkor lenses. My photo needs are travel, vacation, landscape and architecture. I need and appreciate the improvement in low light performance. When traveling, you need to get the shot when you are there, because you can't come back tomorow for better light.
Great job, what is the main camera for shooting the video?
Very fair comparison! I was in Sony’s full-frame system for years and I realized two things: First off, the results were stunning when edited in LR, not so stunning wenn taking jpegs. I found some good settings for jpegs ooc but never was really satisfied. And secondly, I just had not that much fun shooting Sony. It was more like playing with a computer then with a camera. That is why I tried some Fuji-bodies. And last year I completely changed to Fuji-X. The fun is back, the results (with good glass like the 18mm f1.4 and since some weeks with the X-T5) are really good, even as jpegs ooc, which is one of my main reasons for changing my gear. I am a bit more than just a hobbyist. I take pictures of events, do portraits and everyday shots for a homepage but am not paid directly for that. My time is limited so I am grateful for the excellent results of Fuji’s jpegs ooc and with the X-T5 I feel like nothing is missing compared to the A7III I used. Sure you can expose raw better with full-frame-sensors and there is simply not such thing like an 85mm f1.2 on aps-c. For real pro-work a full-frame system means more possibilities. However i am very satisfied with Fuji-X in almost every regard so I do not regret changing.
Cheers!
what camera do you use with this vlog.? thanks
Awesome comparison! Thanks
First video ive seen of yours. You are COLD 🥶 with a camera! Subbed
Please this comparison is insane😮. Nikon Z8 is USD 3500 vs Fujifilm XT5 is USD 1700. They are completely different.
Which Fuji 56mm did u use? The original, the APD or the latest 562 WR ?
Very great video. You say it, the choice of the sensor size on each usage and purpose. Medium Formats are extremely good for commercial products shots or fashion shots which not require a great auto focus anywhere everything is controlled in there you will have the best quality who is the best resolution. And after it depends if you are a professional or amateur of course
I hear you barking big dog. I shot Fuji for ten years and had all of the APSC bodies and most of the lenses. Once I started getting more bookings and my work was more demanding and serious, I unfortunately had to ditch Fuji and I've moved over to two Z6ii bodies and 5 of their lenses. I really miss the dials and buttons and real aperture rings on the Fuji. As you say, the smaller lighter kit, and here in Australia, the gear is literally half the price of what I paid for my full Nikon kit earlier on this year. Having said that though, it was the best thing I ever did. My clients noticed the difference - not only me. If I don't totally nail the exposure (particularly in high ISO), I can still pull up shadows on my Nikon files. When I tried that with the Fuji, the image would often turn to custard. The benefits really are quite big. That is coming from somebody who did not want to change. When I shoot wedding receptions in dark rooms or gigs after dark, I stride in with confidence knowing that my NEF files will come out looking great. In my Fuji lifetime, I kind of crept in like an imposter, knowing that these high ISO RAF files are not going to be looking very good! All I've got to do now is try to afford the Z8 (7K body only here in Auss)!!
What's the lance in the nikon ? Is it nikon 85?
I greatly appreciate this video and the information you provided.
I feel that you are more professional than most of the professionals out there. They review the x-h2 and other APS-C cameras and 4/3rd cameras and compare them with their own Full Frame Cameras! Doesn't make sense. of course always full frame cameras will have the most advantages when it comes to image quality, dynamic ranges of colors, low light performance, etc. similar to comparing Medium and Full sensors.
The goal of your comparison in this video was clear from the very beginning that how two sensors differ in performance and quality but not as a review for this camera and comparing it with that other camera from different sensor size. This is professional comparison. greatly appreciated.
Could you make a video about what each of the sensor sizes is good for? I have a Olympus and Recently got the x-h2. They both kind of doing what I need them to do. with few exceptions that the x-h2 is better in doing like the buffer and continuing shooting while maintaining -as much as possible- the subject in focus.
I would really appreciate knowing if I got the right camera to do the right job for me. But I am still confused on when and why to buy this sensor and not that and for what reason. I am into street photography, portraits, sometime wide life and nature, and finally cars and sport.
Please, advise me and kindly make a video about this topic.
Thank you again.
Full frame will always have that added flexibility that crop sensors can't compete with. In great lighting nothing really changes, but the differences become stark in difficult situations. The amount of times I've had to push to 6400-10000 ISO on my A7iii and it still comes out fairly usable. I just feel less confident in a crop sensor, the most open glass is still not as open as full frame.
All the difference is in the difficult situations, not easy softly lit shots. Great vid as always Manny- always saying what I'm thinking
Also if you need extra reach, you can still use full frame cameras in crop mode. the A7RIV is still 24mp in APS C mode
well i never need iso above 400 as i light my scene but maybe i need a full frame camm someday if i decide to shoot in a dungeon withoutl lights🤣🤣
@@djstuc I'm not saying it's impossible, but having a bigger sensor + a faster lens just means you get cleaner images. that simple- Medium format would be even better but they have shitty AF so that's not worth the trade off imo.
@@andersistbesser yea lol I like to shoot outside of a room sometimes so I need that added flexibility. Lucky you!
@@ayushsaha4656 i own a gh5 with a tiny mft sensor and fast lenses. I never had problems with low light when i Occasionally shoot outside in the evening. Denoise software is great also nowadays
Manny, how are you shooting 1/5000 sync with flash on the Z8, Is the 1/200 limit for on camera only?
12:40 I wonder if this issue is with this particular camera, sensor, or if it is the case with others.
I’m catching this video a year later but I find this still relevant. Thanks for this.
Finally someone who just gives it straight. I’d still buy an aps-c knowing it’s limitations
@OfficialMannyOrtiz 😂
I am a Fujifilm user; side by side I can tell which one is which. Besides different image compression, Fuji's photos are still too soft, they are not nailing focus as well as other systems; you can notice that specially in the eyes. Take a look at 12:54, fuji even has more purple fringing. I sadly see that they still, in 2023, have not improve this with the new cameras. Reason why I switching. Thanks for video Manny.
I went from Fuji to Sony and sometimes i wonder if made the right decision, but there is just aomething about that full frame pop that reminds me i made the right choice. You can edit colours in post but you cant edit IQ.
Did exactly the same. I don’t regret the ability to just capture my kid in motion without missing a shot, where Fuji was just meh. Can’t beat the Fuji colour though.
It's the skill, Melinda Sue Gordon used XH1 for the still of new film Oppenheimer and other Hollywood projects
I prefer high-specced APS-C cameras these days (Fujifilm to be precise). The only thing I miss sometimes is the DOF. ISO in low-light I don't care anymore. Sometimes I like the grain and if it bothers me, there are various KI tools to get rid of the noise. Price and size for camera and lenses are highly in favor for the APS-C cameras and that's why I choose them.
Fuji 56 1.2 : 1000€ new
Nikon 85 1.8 : 850€ New
Full frame isn't more expensive at equivalent performance. It is heavier tho.
Awesome video once again. Love your new space. Do you still have your studio as well?
Hello I just can't decide which to buy between this 2 choices since they are both priced similar at $1500
a. Sony ZV-e10 with Sigma 16mm 1.4 & Sigma 56mm 1.4
b. Canon eos RP with Canon Rf 16mm 2.8 & Canon Rf 50mm 1.8
what would be your choice? at first I was sure with Canon cause its full frame but now I am slowly getting attracted with the Sony option because of that sigma lenses.
PS. Gonna use them for event photogaphy/video.