Took this to the range yesterday and it worked! Initially I tried with a glove under arm and I just could not connect or get my rhythm. Once I removed the gloves I was able to replicate the feeling of keeping my arms connected. I was able to start this connected feeling even just in my set up. Then I was able to get more inside and my strike patterns dramatically improved as well as dispersion and flight pattern (slice changed to small draw). Unbelievable really, as this is something I have been working to fix in my game for 2 years. Eric, thank you so much!
Unfortunately, you "think" you did but you didn't. It can't be "fixed" in a day. You need hundreds of hours (if not more) to "fix" it and the only way to see it is to video record your swing and realize the painstaking truth...
Thanks for this video. My ball striking has improved dramatically in the month or so that I've been working on fixing my chicken wing, including a 73 last weekend. This is the real deal. Thanks again.
This is huge content: perfectly show the issue, the causes and the matchups. I used it with a student as follow up of the same conversation we had on the range. Thank you EC, big fan of your channel since the early start.
Another great video, Eric! Wonderful balance between showing cause and solution. Enough information without over-complicating, over-simplifying, or over-promising. Leaves the golfer with a plan and a shred of hope of actually making improvement. Keep up the great work!
great video Eric. The only weak part of my game is my iron play due to "chicken wing". I will focus on rotation of left arm with palm up- and I have been working on arms closer together which is helping. I am down to a 7.1 index- thanks to your simple driving tip of slide right arm down, lay back of palm on thigh then grip- it has added 30 yds. Once I get my irons sorted out I will consistently be in the 70;s. I am getting there thanks to you. excited to improve even at my tender age of 67.
Excellant video Eric! I have been following you and your videos for about a month now. As a TH-cam video golf nut, I watch many many different teaching styles on TH-cam. There are some great ones and Eric I have promoted you to one of the best 4 in all of TH-cam.
This really works! I did about 100 reps today just rotating my left arm with fingers pointing to the sky. Also tucked my left shirt sleeve under my armpit to stay "connected". Funny how easily one forgets the so-called "little" things during a winter hiatus! Great video!
Thanks, Troy! Appreciate it my friend. I have found this to fix many players who get the chicken wing BC of the face being too open to path... As you know some people chicken wing for other reasons where this "fix" may not be appropriate
THANK YOU. I struggled with chicken wing syndrome for 2 years, until I filmed myself a few months ago. I found your video LITERALLY two days ago and now I'm hitting more consistently and farther than ever before. I will keep practicing with your techniques/drills and hopefully become a somewhat decent iron player! THANK YOU, AGAIN!
This might just be the fix I have been looking for for over a year now. Video’ed myself and indeed, no arm rotation at all. Can’t wait to go to the driving range with a headcover under my arm! 🙂 It does make sense! Instant follower of your channel, thanks very much Eric!
That "object in the armpit" thing produced the ff in my swing: 1. Left arm rotation 2. Consistent ball contact 3. Consistent divot location 4. Clearing of left hip in the downswing 5. Use of left hip to power the downswing 6. Increased swing speed
I rubbed a little blue cheese on my inner left bicep helped it stick there. Seriously, I've tried this before but never knew the elbow could bend as well, always tried to keep it straight, very uncomfortable and I gave up on it. Kept flying! With this, more relaxed and can put the feathers back in my hat. Thanks
Just started trying this out. Yes it does feel restrictive, kind of wierd. BUT the contact is much better and the shots are straight! I have lost some distance but maybe with getting used to it and more comfortable I'll get my distance back. Time will tell. Thanks man great video.
Ive known Ive had a chicken wing for years and Ive worked on it for years with drills, but when I start making full swings, it comes back or I end up straining my back trying to force the full release and follow through. Ive worked with multiple instructors that all have their own drills to address this and they all say they have helped people resolve this problem very quickly. I guess Im a poor student. I have less pain if I swing my swing. Im completely frustrated because I know this limits my club head speed for distance and holds me back from having a healthy and effortless swing. So frustrating
I'm a low single digit hcp and have never been happy with my strikes. I've just assumed I have a cut swing. Your arm rotation not only helped the chicken wing but also with chest rotation through the ball. Well done sir, thank you.
Great breakdown. I think one thing to add is the upper body has to rotate to correct the chicken wing. Many times, if the upper body does not rotate, the left arm disconnects from the body causing the chicken wing.
I got rid of my chicken wing TODAY by realizing that in an effort to get a better strike thru more compression, I had far too much forward shaft lean. Dragging the handle through and not shallowing the club nearer my trail-side thigh forced me to compensate with the wing. Your vid on chipping is what helped me realize this since I’d had the chipping shanks for a while and was correcting it wrongly with more shaft lean, which also led to a high handle. Thanks for all of these vids!!! Wish you were in N.C.
Thanks for the video. It makes a lot of sense to me. I’ve noticed I chicken wing when I’m tensed up but not so much when I swing more freely. One question. I’ve always been told that left arm should stay as straight as possible. Is that just in the take away and back swing then?
Hey Michael! It should def work toward straight....but adding in the rotation (supination) is one option to help change the clubface to remove the chicken wing root cause.
I have been trying to figure it out with NO luck. Thank you for the advice. I studied your video. Did a few practice swings and wa lah. I was ecstatic. Hope it works again next time out.
I use the same information with my students adding that a stall in left shoulder rotation makes it difficult to cure. As you emphasize, more rotation makes it easier.
This is awesome. Been struggling with this for a bit and kept trying to straighten my arm, and focus on the front of my glove facing the target. Was literally impossible and probably made it worse. This is such a simple approach and makes all the sense in the world. Makes my previous attempts to fix this issue absolutely idiotic.
I wish you could expand on the part at 5:45 - where you are talking about arm rotation but then contrast it quickly with "unless you have a super strong grip". I have a too strong a grip according to some and have the feel of the one you show as bad. I can hit some pretty decent irons distance 150 7i or so when I do it wrong, but like ~100 when I try it "right". Right now im in such an odd place feel very lost.
Hey! try this one where I go through grip types and how they pair up with wrist angles and arm rotation amounts th-cam.com/video/3QQUyRnRSJU/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/8Cg2O8atmYY/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygU3RXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIHN3aW5nIHN0eWxlcyB0aHJvdWdoIHRoZSBiYWxsIGdyaXAgcmVsZWFzZQ%3D%3D th-cam.com/video/S776LyvM6Pc/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygU3RXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIHN3aW5nIHN0eWxlcyB0aHJvdWdoIHRoZSBiYWxsIGdyaXAgcmVsZWFzZQ%3D%3D
Dude thank you for this video. Total game changer for me. My ball flight was on point with a nice draw after this. Only thing weird is my left elbow hurts now.
Thanks Eric - you are a naturally good teacher and it was a very good instructional clip. A question if I may. I like the concept of the "reverse engineering". However, is it true to say that another way to fix the issue (not reverse engineering) is to simply ensure the clubface is square in the impact area? I guess what I really asking is - is it easier while playing to simply work on getting the clubface square rather than having to think about the rotation of the arm? Keen to get your thoughts on this. I am making the assumption here that provided the clubface is square at impact, the brain will see no need to create the ghastly chicken wing look. And can much compression and greater consistency come from squaring up the clubface the right way as opposed to compensating the "chicken wing way"? Many thanks!! :)
Hey Bryan! Yes...100% I think what you're saying is can you get the face square EARLIER rather than doing it like this later... And the answer if yes...100%.... th-cam.com/video/lr8JV6ShmRI/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/MmEUSfgmO6E/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/L8xlyijEh-g/w-d-xo.html
Of all the "chicken wing" videos, Eric is the only one who has mentioned both the left arm supination and keeping the left arm close to the body! Thanks ERIC !!!! 🙃
I never realized how important left arm rotation was, I've tried EVERYTHING to take away my ugly chicken wing. It's all in the left arm rotation! I wasn't rotating it enough... Thank you Eric!
You got it my friend! you might enjoy these on left arm rotation as well: th-cam.com/video/3pW6O_YHdPI/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/ckpIbnMzStk/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/vKtZi2iESSE/w-d-xo.html
Thanks, Matt! It is happening through the ball. Supination of the lead arm really from around left arm parallel in downswing all the way to arms parallel in the follow through
Always have had a bit of a chicken wing post impact, not huge one but noticeable enough that’s it’s always incredibly annoyed me just cause it’s ugly. My one golf coach always told me just to hit little punch shots or use the tour striker and I’ve probably hit 1000’s with no real improvement when I Try a full swing. Sort of figured that I must not be letting my left arm roll yesterday and you confirmed that with this video. Gonna work on this.
Eric - Awesome video. I’ve got an off topic question. I know you don’t have a chicken wing but you are fighting pushes. When you keep your left arm closer to you and rotate, do you still push the ball?? With your great swing, I would think keeping your left arm closer and softer would eliminate your issue. I know many non tour pros who under pressure let their front arm get too rigid and in comes the push. Just curious. Thanks as always. Jim
Hey Jim! Yes thats something that helps! I miss to the right because my path gets too far from inside There are 3-5 main variables involved with that and by adjusting any of those I can fix push quickly. The reality is I simply to not practice enough to change my pattern...too busy making videos and coaching :)
Eric I love the video and it makes total sense however since I started practicing I am shanking a number of shots or hitting them close to the hosel with no power. In fact I could not even hit a hybrid straight, shanked every one. Am I supinating my left arm too quickly causing the shanks? Thanks for your thoughts and the great video!
Hi Eric, @ 0:58 you say that typically 90% of all "Chicken Wings" are caused by either an open clubface or by too steep of a downswing. Do you prefer to fix these two issues first by reverse-engineering, like in this video, or do you ever initially address the possible root causes (open face/steep downswing)? *Love your productions/presentations! 👍
I would figure out which one was the root (face or steep) and work from there in combination with lead arm supination. Hit it at both ends and hedge the bet.
@@CogornoGolf Hi Eric, A similar question. Is there a need for supination of the leading left arm if you do not have a chicken wing problem? Thank you.
I've improved my chicken wing (and my swing in general) a ton by focusing on having my hips and shoulders (45/20 degrees) rotated open at impact more. I've still got a tiny bit left of the chicken wing though. I bet it's the arm rotation. I'll def take a look. I bet this is it. Thanks!
Thanks Eric for the detailed explanation and the solution ...I have question: rotating the arms actually becomes apparent after the impact...however the chicken wings initiates before impact... so I am not getting the point that how rotating arms fix the problem?
"Rotating the arms actually BECOMES APPARENT" Just because you SEE it then, doesn't tell you when it's starting. In reality its starting very early in the downswing....much sooner... "the chicken wing initiates before impact".....yes...so does the arm rotation solution! Youre safe!
For the past three weeks I’ve only been working on changing my swing to incorporate the bowed wrist at impact and arm rotation,supination . Been doing this out on the course and range checking with video. (My course is pretty empty this time of year). Only today have I begun to get it while hitting a ball on the course. Big improvement in contact and consistency. Are swing changes normally this difficult to incorporate into the swing on the course? And the video feedback is essential, Thanks Eric
hello this is a great video but i took a video of myself swinging and i have a chicken wing and what im saying is that in the video i squat somewhat alot and if i squat i will hit the ground first so it will be a fat shot, so if i try not squating as much or no squat do you think it will help with my chicken wing? please tell me i really need help
Hey Louis! Unfortunately I cannot give you a simple "yes" or "no" without seeing your swing on video. Join www.cogornogolf.com you can send me your swings and we can work together on a solution!
Left arm chicken, besides from left arm not supinating enough, it’s also from the lack of body rotation after impact. My iron swings don’t have the chicken wing but my driver swing does. Can you also do a video on using the glutes in a golf swing? One of Tiger’s old interviews past year he said “my glutes are not activating in my swing”, just curious to see what he meant by that or how can one use their glutes in a golf swing. Thanks man! Always posting quality content!
Thanks man-appreciate it. Chicken wing root causes can be a bunch of things....open face, steep downswing, no body rotation, etc. as I mentioned in video you want to find and fix root causes but can reverse engineer. Not sure on full video on glutes but maybe within other videos
Probably a dumb question but this also apply to driver? Question ing bc I see most if not all pro swings have a full extension. Thanks. Great video lesson
Hey Doug! In general the ideas in this video would apply to driver-yes (and all other clubs) (if someone has a chicken wing due to club face) If face open could also attack by closing face earlier
Hi Eric what would you call the opposite of this ??? as a left-handed player my right arm feels as though it comes in very tight to my right side? my left-arm is extending throw impact but my right arm folds in . quickly limiting right arm extension through the ball I know it has a bit of fold very quickly , is this going to be the same fix ..... thanks Eric
Hey David! That in and of itself (right arm folding tight to side) is not necessarily an issue. This particular video (adding lead arm supination and fold) is to fix the "chicken wing" (elbow separating too much) How bent or straight your right arm should be really depends on other factors (body rotation, body extension, side bend, swing direction, clubface position, etc, etc) So not a "fault" per day. I would have to see a video of your swing to say for sure if you need to make any adjustments!
I am a Hooker of the ball. I decrease the hook by restricting the arm rotation. But then I do have a worsening of the chicken wing. Using the Smart Ball as you recommend improves the flying right elbow. But the smart ball falls on the release because of left elbow chicken wing. Question is how to rotate the left arm correctly as you demonstrate above, but not increase my hooks? Thanks again excellent analysis and video lessons.
@@golfcrank I agree. We are both trying to stop the closure of the club head during the swing. But we also see many elite players, PGA Professionals swing correctly and release the club as Eric is demonstrating. So maybe there's a solution which helps us find the middle ground and improve our golf swing and scores. JM2C. Cheers
@@Okwegeddit Yes. It is my club path. But as I change my club path I chicken wing as he demonstrates. Practice and practice. To add all the pieces together to improve. My grip is strong so I'm pretty sure it's not the grip.
Hey Victor! Hard to say 100% without seeing your swing on video...try and apply the same concepts but with SHORTER swing length, SLOWER swing speed, and EXAGGERATE the feels MORE as the clubs get longer. Give yourself time and gradually build your way up. Hope this helps!
Eric, I believe the actual main reason why so many golfers have a chicken wing (the real root of the problem that then causes what you explained) is that they are told “Keep Your Head Down” so much that they stop rotating their right shoulder through the swing, as to not move their head. Their body is firmly set with ‘their head down’ and to compornsate through the swing, the left elbow HAS to come up - it can’t go anywhere else through the swing. - Using this premise as the main reason, can you provide ideas on how to fix it?
For sure part of it Milton Heres the details on how I would train getting the body and arms through the ball into follow through: th-cam.com/video/30o9wILpWZU/w-d-xo.html
Hey Kyle! I'm not sure of a suggestion other then "straighten them". Exaggerate more....go shorter and slow if you need to to start. I don't think there are many other ways around that other than intent on straightening them more if that is what you would like.
What’s missing is another problem where the right side is completely dominating the swing, This can be resolved by firming up the left side and weaken the right arm and grip. Also concentrating on the left shoulder on takeaway and finally arm rotation as he says for a straight arm release. Key is to take the tension away from right arm and have it more relaxed and only take over at impact time.
I have had a chicken wing problem. Your analysis suggests three or four causes- no lead arm suppination and folding close to the body on the folow through, face club open coming into impact, too steep a swing etc etc. For me none of the above were the root causes of my problem. My problem was not rotating my upper body through the shot- chest pointing downward at impact not toward the target. If your chest has fully rotated, your arms will rotate and stay close together naturally coming through the swing. That is just my expereince. each is different. Ensuring my trail shoulder rotates through the shot was the key to my problem and all those other issues you mention, melted away.
Eric must have a teaching degree or quite possibly learned to overcome his own learning disability through repetition. He teaches by repeating and repeating the most important points of each of his lessons. His method works well for me and I’m sure for many others as well! Thanks Eric!!
Sometimes I feel myself chicken winging but I don’t normally, it just randomly happens. I realized for me, it can happen when I dip my trail shoulder (too much right side bend, too quickly) on the downswing. My left arm disconnects and has nowhere to go and then gets into an awkward position. Not sure if that makes sense, but that’s why it happens to me sometimes.
HI, Firstly....great video. However, you need to clarify arm rotation. As a biomechanist I hear alot of poor descriptions of body movements. The LOWER arm supinates (on follow-thru) and the UPPER arm externally rotates (on follow-thru). This refers to the left arm of a right-handed golfer.
I struggle with chip shots or short pitches. I have probably misinterpreted the shot that uses little wrist action by have no arm rotation as well? Is that possibly why I struggle with chips and short pitches? It can get really ugly for me.
Don..in chips..it's easy to try to keep the head of the club competely square to the target in the whole swing..I find this, unless its a very short chip..tends to cause me to duff the ground or thin the shot...our arms naturally will pronate if you allow them..just a tiny bit..in the back swing and coming thru!...it also helps me to hit the ball first even in chipping.
Nice video Eric but there is one thing you haven't explained. What are the consequences of having a chicken wing golf swing? Beside the fact that it's ugly to watch (and I'm a chicken winger), I'm pretty happy with my accuracy and distance and I would like to know what it may improve if I get rid of it. Thx
IF its not causing issues no need to change! Generally it changes the length of the radius (the distance between your left shoulder and club head) thus making hitting the ground (and hitting the ground in the same spot) more difficult. If also causes the left wrist to go into extension (cup/flip) prematurely which adds loft (less distance)
@@CogornoGolf Thank you for your answer and very nice to hear you say that changing is not an obligation if I feel ok with my flaws! That's not something I usually hear from pros :) At my age (53), I'm afraid that any attempt to change gets me into disaster...
What I don't understand is: if I rotate my left arm I now have to be careful with my timing or I'll close the club face at impact right???..... I don't have an issue with casting or an open face... The ball goes a reasonable distance, is it still worth "fixing" this? ...
Hey! Yes----we all need to "time" to club face at impact. All of the best players do rotate the lead arm/club face A LOT but for sure can OVERDO (or under do) anything. If you are hitting pretty straight and far I wouldn't worry about it! More on this topic in detail here: th-cam.com/video/wCs7m-fOI-M/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUeRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIGxlZnQgYXJtIHJvdGF0aW9u
Hope it helps my friend! Make sure your club face is square to closed and your swing path is from inside enough I would say 80% or more of the chicken wing comes from those things. Also you need some body rotation to not chicken wing in follow through
I wish you lived on the west coast so I could come have lessons with you. You're so clear and concise, and most of all simple.
Thanks, Keith! Appreciate it my friend!
Took this to the range yesterday and it worked! Initially I tried with a glove under arm and I just could not connect or get my rhythm. Once I removed the gloves I was able to replicate the feeling of keeping my arms connected. I was able to start this connected feeling even just in my set up. Then I was able to get more inside and my strike patterns dramatically improved as well as dispersion and flight pattern (slice changed to small draw). Unbelievable really, as this is something I have been working to fix in my game for 2 years. Eric, thank you so much!
Love it, Dave! Thanks for letting me know! Glad to hear it helped!
Unfortunately, you "think" you did but you didn't. It can't be "fixed" in a day. You need hundreds of hours (if not more) to "fix" it and the only way to see it is to video record your swing and realize the painstaking truth...
Thanks for this video. My ball striking has improved dramatically in the month or so that I've been working on fixing my chicken wing, including a 73 last weekend. This is the real deal. Thanks again.
Love to hear that, Matt!
This is huge content: perfectly show the issue, the causes and the matchups. I used it with a student as follow up of the same conversation we had on the range.
Thank you EC, big fan of your channel since the early start.
Thanks, Patrizio! I'm happy to hear that-appreciate the support my friend!
Another great video, Eric! Wonderful balance between showing cause and solution. Enough information without over-complicating, over-simplifying, or over-promising. Leaves the golfer with a plan and a shred of hope of actually making improvement. Keep up the great work!
Thank you very much, Keith! Happy to hear you enjoyed this one!
Best instructor I have ever seen. Great detail and check points to help see where you are at. Thanks Eric.
Appreciate it my friend!
Besides curing chicken wing it helped my body rotation thus stopping my hook. Great tip!
Thanks, Tim!
great video Eric. The only weak part of my game is my iron play due to "chicken wing". I will focus on rotation of left arm with palm up- and I have been working on arms closer together which is helping. I am down to a 7.1 index- thanks to your simple driving tip of slide right arm down, lay back of palm on thigh then grip- it has added 30 yds. Once I get my irons sorted out I will consistently be in the 70;s. I am getting there thanks to you. excited to improve even at my tender age of 67.
Hope this one helps ya Steve!!! Love to hear of those Driver gains thats awesome!
Excellant video Eric! I have been following you and your videos for about a month now. As a TH-cam video golf nut, I watch many many different teaching styles on TH-cam. There are some great ones and Eric I have promoted you to one of the best 4 in all of TH-cam.
Thanks, Mark. Appreciate the you being here and the kind words!
Killer lesson. Especially the rotation part. Thank you huge help
You got it! Our pleasure!!
What an excellent explanation ! Love this lesson ! Great teaching !!!!
Thanks man!
This really works! I did about 100 reps today just rotating my left arm with fingers pointing to the sky. Also tucked my left shirt sleeve under my armpit to stay "connected". Funny how easily one forgets the so-called "little" things during a winter hiatus! Great video!
:) Thank you sir!
Good tip! You're the only pro who has ID'd arm rotation as a cause/cure.
Thank you sir!
Nice video Eric, you made it nice and simple to fix the chicken wing and show golfers how to fix it without over complicating the process. Cheers
Thanks, Troy! Appreciate it my friend. I have found this to fix many players who get the chicken wing BC of the face being too open to path...
As you know some people chicken wing for other reasons where this "fix" may not be appropriate
THANK YOU. I struggled with chicken wing syndrome for 2 years, until I filmed myself a few months ago. I found your video LITERALLY two days ago and now I'm hitting more consistently and farther than ever before.
I will keep practicing with your techniques/drills and hopefully become a somewhat decent iron player!
THANK YOU, AGAIN!
Love it! You got it!!
This might just be the fix I have been looking for for over a year now. Video’ed myself and indeed, no arm rotation at all. Can’t wait to go to the driving range with a headcover under my arm! 🙂 It does make sense! Instant follower of your channel, thanks very much Eric!
You got it, Johan! Hope it serves you well!
Great info. Very helpful. Thanks
Thanks, James! My pleasure!
Super useful. Arm rotation was my biggest issue for chicken wing. You helped me fix it. Thanks!
You got it my friend!
Great explanation Eric thanks for posting much appreciated.
Thank you Patrick!
Thanks Eric, this helped me so much ! Simple and effective.
Glad to hear that George! Our pleasure
Great analysis and fix recommendation. Thanks!
Thanks! My pleasure!
Greatest video I have seen on this!!! Made a huge difference. Thanks,
Thanks, John!
Thanks Eric! No more chickie wing job and I have added 15-20 yards to all of my irons. Your video made me a scratch golfer.
Love to hear this!!
Phenomenal! Thanks for this super helpful!
thank you!
That "object in the armpit" thing produced the ff in my swing:
1. Left arm rotation
2. Consistent ball contact
3. Consistent divot location
4. Clearing of left hip in the downswing
5. Use of left hip to power the downswing
6. Increased swing speed
Excellent!
Arguably the best teacher out there!!
Appreciate that, Rob! Thanks so much for watching!
I rubbed a little blue cheese on my inner left bicep helped it stick there. Seriously, I've tried this before but never knew the elbow could bend as well, always tried to keep it straight, very uncomfortable and I gave up on it. Kept flying! With this, more relaxed and can put the feathers back in my hat. Thanks
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Just started trying this out. Yes it does feel restrictive, kind of wierd. BUT the contact is much better and the shots are straight! I have lost some distance but maybe with getting used to it and more comfortable I'll get my distance back. Time will tell. Thanks man great video.
Thanks, Frank! Hope it helps!
damn the intro song😂👍🏼😁
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I didn't know I chicken winged until I filmed myself swinging the club.
If its causing issues hopefully you get that thing fixed up :)
Same same
Same mine looked like an MMA move
Ive known Ive had a chicken wing for years and Ive worked on it for years with drills, but when I start making full swings, it comes back or I end up straining my back trying to force the full release and follow through. Ive worked with multiple instructors that all have their own drills to address this and they all say they have helped people resolve this problem very quickly. I guess Im a poor student. I have less pain if I swing my swing. Im completely frustrated because I know this limits my club head speed for distance and holds me back from having a healthy and effortless swing. So frustrating
I'm a low single digit hcp and have never been happy with my strikes. I've just assumed I have a cut swing. Your arm rotation not only helped the chicken wing but also with chest rotation through the ball. Well done sir, thank you.
Love it! Glad to hear that, Tim!
Great breakdown. I think one thing to add is the upper body has to rotate to correct the chicken wing. Many times, if the upper body does not rotate, the left arm disconnects from the body causing the chicken wing.
That's absolutely true!
This is great man. Will try this at the range tomorrow! Subbed 👏🏽
Thanks, Gerard! Hope it helps my friend!
@@CogornoGolf it did!! Got rid of my chicken wing using my irons but still struggling with my driver.
Likely doing something EARLIER causing those issues. Join www.cogornogolf.com so you can send me your swings if you dont get it sorted
I got rid of my chicken wing TODAY by realizing that in an effort to get a better strike thru more compression, I had far too much forward shaft lean. Dragging the handle through and not shallowing the club nearer my trail-side thigh forced me to compensate with the wing. Your vid on chipping is what helped me realize this since I’d had the chipping shanks for a while and was correcting it wrongly with more shaft lean, which also led to a high handle. Thanks for all of these vids!!! Wish you were in N.C.
Thanks for the video. It makes a lot of sense to me. I’ve noticed I chicken wing when I’m tensed up but not so much when I swing more freely. One question. I’ve always been told that left arm should stay as straight as possible. Is that just in the take away and back swing then?
Hey Michael!
It should def work toward straight....but adding in the rotation (supination) is one option to help change the clubface to remove the chicken wing root cause.
great video, explanation, and filming. appreciate it!
Thank you! Thanks for being with us!
I have been trying to figure it out with NO luck. Thank you for the advice. I studied your video. Did a few practice swings and wa lah. I was ecstatic. Hope it works again next time out.
Love it!
Wonderful, after 5ms practicing in front of my camera, no more chicken wing!! This drill is the best I have never seen, thanks a lot Eric.
Love to hear this!
GOD BLESS YOU! This really worked, I just played and it was instant improvement. Thank you.
Excellent! Love to hear that, David!
Great video, routine and explanation. Not just a "FIX", is a complete concept explanation and root/cause analysis. Thanks, Eric!
MY pleasure, Hector!
Great video and instruction as usual. Fixed my left arm chicken wing.
Thanks! Love that!
I use the same information with my students adding that a stall in left shoulder rotation makes it difficult to cure. As you emphasize, more rotation makes it easier.
👊Thanks for watching my friend!
This is awesome. Been struggling with this for a bit and kept trying to straighten my arm, and focus on the front of my glove facing the target. Was literally impossible and probably made it worse. This is such a simple approach and makes all the sense in the world. Makes my previous attempts to fix this issue absolutely idiotic.
Haha I hear ya----appreciate that and glad to hear it!
This actually worked!! Thanks!
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I’ve watched a lot of videos about fixing my chicken wing. This one finally worked. Thank you.
Excellent! Love to hear that, Brett!
Wow! 10+ years as a 5 handicap chicken winger!! I hope this helps, it makes so much sense.
Hope it helps, Derek!
Exactly the same! Came here after someone recommended this video. Hope this helps me get some more power in the swing.
Great info
Thanks, Thomas!
Arm rotation! Excellent. That’s me. Thanks Eric!
MY pleasure, Craig! Thanks for being here.
I wish you could expand on the part at 5:45 - where you are talking about arm rotation but then contrast it quickly with "unless you have a super strong grip". I have a too strong a grip according to some and have the feel of the one you show as bad. I can hit some pretty decent irons distance 150 7i or so when I do it wrong, but like ~100 when I try it "right". Right now im in such an odd place feel very lost.
Hey!
try this one where I go through grip types and how they pair up with wrist angles and arm rotation amounts
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@@CogornoGolf thank you for the links! this sounds really interesting look forward to learning something
Excellent Eric, as usual. 😀👍
Appreciate it!
Dude thank you for this video. Total game changer for me. My ball flight was on point with a nice draw after this. Only thing weird is my left elbow hurts now.
You got it! Hope your elbow feels better!
Thanks Eric - you are a naturally good teacher and it was a very good instructional clip.
A question if I may. I like the concept of the "reverse engineering". However, is it true to say that another way to fix the issue (not reverse engineering) is to simply ensure the clubface is square in the impact area? I guess what I really asking is - is it easier while playing to simply work on getting the clubface square rather than having to think about the rotation of the arm? Keen to get your thoughts on this. I am making the assumption here that provided the clubface is square at impact, the brain will see no need to create the ghastly chicken wing look. And can much compression and greater consistency come from squaring up the clubface the right way as opposed to compensating the "chicken wing way"? Many thanks!! :)
Hey Bryan!
Yes...100%
I think what you're saying is can you get the face square EARLIER rather than doing it like this later...
And the answer if yes...100%....
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Perfect - many thxs!
Our pleasure!
Perfect instructional... Thanks!
My pleasure!
Of all the "chicken wing" videos, Eric is the only one who has mentioned both the left arm supination and keeping the left arm close to the body! Thanks ERIC !!!! 🙃
You got it! Hope this one helps :)
I never realized how important left arm rotation was, I've tried EVERYTHING to take away my ugly chicken wing. It's all in the left arm rotation! I wasn't rotating it enough... Thank you Eric!
You got it my friend!
you might enjoy these on left arm rotation as well:
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Great video. Quick question. Is the arm rotation through the ball or is it after impact?
Thanks, Matt!
It is happening through the ball.
Supination of the lead arm really from around left arm parallel in downswing all the way to arms parallel in the follow through
Always have had a bit of a chicken wing post impact, not huge one but noticeable enough that’s it’s always incredibly annoyed me just cause it’s ugly. My one golf coach always told me just to hit little punch shots or use the tour striker and I’ve probably hit 1000’s with no real improvement when I Try a full swing. Sort of figured that I must not be letting my left arm roll yesterday and you confirmed that with this video. Gonna work on this.
Hope this one helps Jon!!
Eric, you bring me to other stage......many thanks
:)
E C Agreed
Eric - Awesome video. I’ve got an off topic question. I know you don’t have a chicken wing but you are fighting pushes. When you keep your left arm closer to you and rotate, do you still push the ball?? With your great swing, I would think keeping your left arm closer and softer would eliminate your issue. I know many non tour pros who under pressure let their front arm get too rigid and in comes the push. Just curious. Thanks as always. Jim
Hey Jim!
Yes thats something that helps!
I miss to the right because my path gets too far from inside
There are 3-5 main variables involved with that and by adjusting any of those I can fix push quickly.
The reality is I simply to not practice enough to change my pattern...too busy making videos and coaching :)
Eric I love the video and it makes total sense however since I started practicing I am shanking a number of shots or hitting them close to the hosel with no power. In fact I could not even hit a hybrid straight, shanked every one. Am I supinating my left arm too quickly causing the shanks? Thanks for your thoughts and the great video!
Hi Eric, @ 0:58 you say that typically 90% of all "Chicken Wings" are caused by either an open clubface or by too steep of a downswing. Do you prefer to fix these two issues first by reverse-engineering, like in this video, or do you ever initially address the possible root causes (open face/steep downswing)? *Love your productions/presentations! 👍
I would figure out which one was the root (face or steep) and work from there in combination with lead arm supination. Hit it at both ends and hedge the bet.
@@CogornoGolf I like it! Thanks, Eric! 😃
@@CogornoGolf Hi Eric, A similar question. Is there a need for supination of the leading left arm if you do not have a chicken wing problem? Thank you.
I've improved my chicken wing (and my swing in general) a ton by focusing on having my hips and shoulders (45/20 degrees) rotated open at impact more. I've still got a tiny bit left of the chicken wing though. I bet it's the arm rotation. I'll def take a look. I bet this is it. Thanks!
Glad you're heading in the right direction my friend
Can you do a cause and effect video, showing what swing moves cause what ball flight.
Sure can, good idea. Hopefully some of that has come out of some older videos
@@CogornoGolf as I typed I thought about that. Yes but the information is hidden behind the fix.
Instant result, lot more snap in the strike. Thank you
Excellent! You are quite welcome :)
Great video Eric.
Thanks!
Thanks Eric for the detailed explanation and the solution ...I have question: rotating the arms actually becomes apparent after the impact...however the chicken wings initiates before impact... so I am not getting the point that how rotating arms fix the problem?
"Rotating the arms actually BECOMES APPARENT"
Just because you SEE it then, doesn't tell you when it's starting.
In reality its starting very early in the downswing....much sooner...
"the chicken wing initiates before impact".....yes...so does the arm rotation solution! Youre safe!
Eric thanks a lot for the explanation ...the exanalation is valid for understanding ..thumbs up
MY pleasure my friend
Great job explaining how to get rid of the chicken wing. Very helpful!!!
Thanks, Oliver!
For the past three weeks I’ve only been working on changing my swing to incorporate the bowed wrist at impact and arm rotation,supination . Been doing this out on the course and range checking with video. (My course is pretty empty this time of year). Only today have I begun to get it while hitting a ball on the course. Big improvement in contact and consistency.
Are swing changes normally this difficult to incorporate into the swing on the course?
And the video feedback is essential,
Thanks Eric
Yes!
That sounds like the normal process...
Keep at it!
Eric, that’s what I needed to hear. Thanks for answering!
Does this work for the driver and fairway woods?
Yes, all clubs!
Crystal clear
Appreciate it!
hello this is a great video but i took a video of myself swinging and i have a chicken wing and what im saying is that in the video i squat somewhat alot and if i squat i will hit the ground first so it will be a fat shot, so if i try not squating as much or no squat do you think it will help with my chicken wing?
please tell me i really need help
Hey Louis!
Unfortunately I cannot give you a simple "yes" or "no" without seeing your swing on video.
Join www.cogornogolf.com you can send me your swings and we can work together on a solution!
Hey Eric, does this tip apply to the driver?
Hey Ruben! Yep!
Left arm chicken, besides from left arm not supinating enough, it’s also from the lack of body rotation after impact. My iron swings don’t have the chicken wing but my driver swing does. Can you also do a video on using the glutes in a golf swing? One of Tiger’s old interviews past year he said “my glutes are not activating in my swing”, just curious to see what he meant by that or how can one use their glutes in a golf swing. Thanks man! Always posting quality content!
Thanks man-appreciate it. Chicken wing root causes can be a bunch of things....open face, steep downswing, no body rotation, etc. as I mentioned in video you want to find and fix root causes but can reverse engineer.
Not sure on full video on glutes but maybe within other videos
Thank you!!
Thanks, Patrick!
Probably a dumb question but this also apply to driver? Question ing bc I see most if not all pro swings have a full extension. Thanks. Great video lesson
Hey Doug! In general the ideas in this video would apply to driver-yes (and all other clubs) (if someone has a chicken wing due to club face)
If face open could also attack by closing face earlier
Looks like Im having a little "Soup"ination, instead of Chikin wingz for lunch before the Range 2day...Thnx EC 😎🏌️♂️🍜
Lol well said my friend...may have to steal that from ya :)
Thank you for sparing me 😌
Hi Eric what would you call the opposite of this ??? as a left-handed player my right arm feels as though it comes in very tight to my right side? my left-arm is extending throw impact but my right arm folds in . quickly limiting right arm extension through the ball I know it has a bit of fold very quickly , is this going to be the same fix ..... thanks Eric
Hey David!
That in and of itself (right arm folding tight to side) is not necessarily an issue.
This particular video (adding lead arm supination and fold) is to fix the "chicken wing" (elbow separating too much)
How bent or straight your right arm should be really depends on other factors (body rotation, body extension, side bend, swing direction, clubface position, etc, etc)
So not a "fault" per day.
I would have to see a video of your swing to say for sure if you need to make any adjustments!
Eric Cogorno Golf thanks Eric.
Great!
Thanks!
this lesson took care of a few faults for me, thnx eric
My pleasure my friend!
Thanks!
Our pleasure!
I am a Hooker of the ball.
I decrease the hook by restricting the arm rotation. But then I do have a worsening of the chicken wing.
Using the Smart Ball as you recommend improves the flying right elbow. But the smart ball falls on the release because of left elbow chicken wing.
Question is how to rotate the left arm correctly as you demonstrate above, but not increase my hooks?
Thanks again excellent analysis and video lessons.
Johannes Ramirez I have exactly the same problem too. I chicken-wing to stop the pulled hook. I guess this is not the video for me.
@@golfcrank I agree. We are both trying to stop the closure of the club head during the swing.
But we also see many elite players, PGA Professionals swing correctly and release the club as Eric is demonstrating.
So maybe there's a solution which helps us find the middle ground and improve our golf swing and scores.
JM2C.
Cheers
May be Club face? or swing path coming way from inside to out
@@Okwegeddit Yes. It is my club path. But as I change my club path I chicken wing as he demonstrates.
Practice and practice. To add all the pieces together to improve.
My grip is strong so I'm pretty sure it's not the grip.
Johannes....this video is not for you my friend, you stay focused on what we discussed in analysis
Already try it and my god it did work….from wedges to 6iron, but 5i and 4ir, I wasn’t able to hit them. Any suggestions for this clubs and driver????
Hey Victor!
Hard to say 100% without seeing your swing on video...try and apply the same concepts but with SHORTER swing length, SLOWER swing speed, and EXAGGERATE the feels MORE as the clubs get longer. Give yourself time and gradually build your way up.
Hope this helps!
Eric, I believe the actual main reason why so many golfers have a chicken wing (the real root of the problem that then causes what you explained) is that they are told “Keep Your Head Down” so much that they stop rotating their right shoulder through the swing, as to not move their head. Their body is firmly set with ‘their head down’ and to compornsate through the swing, the left elbow HAS to come up - it can’t go anywhere else through the swing. - Using this premise as the main reason, can you provide ideas on how to fix it?
For sure part of it Milton
Heres the details on how I would train getting the body and arms through the ball into follow through:
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this is good stuff !
Thanks!
If I actually have some left arm bend (the fix for a chicken wing) how do I straighten them out?
Hey Kyle!
I'm not sure of a suggestion other then "straighten them". Exaggerate more....go shorter and slow if you need to to start. I don't think there are many other ways around that other than intent on straightening them more if that is what you would like.
Awesome!,,
Thank you!
Will this drill work for the driver also?
Yes
What’s missing is another problem where the right side is completely dominating the swing, This can be resolved by firming up the left side and weaken the right arm and grip. Also concentrating on the left shoulder on takeaway and finally arm rotation as he says for a straight arm release. Key is to take the tension away from right arm and have it more relaxed and only take over at impact time.
Thanks for the feedback/thoughts, Larry!
I have had a chicken wing problem. Your analysis suggests three or four causes- no lead arm suppination and folding close to the body on the folow through, face club open coming into impact, too steep a swing etc etc.
For me none of the above were the root causes of my problem. My problem was not rotating my upper body through the shot- chest pointing downward at impact not toward the target. If your chest has fully rotated, your arms will rotate and stay close together naturally coming through the swing. That is just my expereince. each is different. Ensuring my trail shoulder rotates through the shot was the key to my problem and all those other issues you mention, melted away.
Love it! Lack of rotation def a big cause of chicken wing!
Eric must have a teaching degree or quite possibly learned to overcome his own learning disability through repetition. He teaches by repeating and repeating the most important points of each of his lessons. His method works well for me and I’m sure for many others as well! Thanks Eric!!
Appreciate it, Marcel!
Classic ... this video never gets old!
Sometimes I feel myself chicken winging but I don’t normally, it just randomly happens. I realized for me, it can happen when I dip my trail shoulder (too much right side bend, too quickly) on the downswing. My left arm disconnects and has nowhere to go and then gets into an awkward position. Not sure if that makes sense, but that’s why it happens to me sometimes.
Hope this video helps Jae!
woww , i am from Turkey and i would like to thank you for this great tip... goodbye chicken wing..
My pleasure-hope it helps!
Merhaba, I am also from Turkey. Where do you play golf?
Atasehir golf club
@@savaskaragoz9351 Şu anda Amerika dayım daha İstanbul a gelince gideceğim...orası daha short game için diye duydum ..Caddebostan da kalıyoruz.
HI, Firstly....great video. However, you need to clarify arm rotation. As a biomechanist I hear alot of poor descriptions of body movements. The LOWER arm supinates (on follow-thru) and the UPPER arm externally rotates (on follow-thru). This refers to the left arm of a right-handed golfer.
Appreciate your support and feedback my friend! Thank you for watching!
I struggle with chip shots or short pitches. I have probably misinterpreted the shot that uses little wrist action by have no arm rotation as well?
Is that possibly why I struggle with chips and short pitches? It can get really ugly for me.
I would have to see it...this is really just for full swing
Thanks Eric. I'll take that to heart.
Don..in chips..it's easy to try to keep the head of the club competely square to the target in the whole swing..I find this, unless its a very short chip..tends to cause me to duff the ground or thin the shot...our arms naturally will pronate if you allow them..just a tiny bit..in the back swing and coming thru!...it also helps me to hit the ball first even in chipping.
Thanks! I'll keep it in mind. You are right about the tiny bit as I can over do anything in golf.
Nice video Eric but there is one thing you haven't explained. What are the consequences of having a chicken wing golf swing? Beside the fact that it's ugly to watch (and I'm a chicken winger), I'm pretty happy with my accuracy and distance and I would like to know what it may improve if I get rid of it. Thx
IF its not causing issues no need to change!
Generally it changes the length of the radius (the distance between your left shoulder and club head)
thus making hitting the ground (and hitting the ground in the same spot) more difficult.
If also causes the left wrist to go into extension (cup/flip) prematurely which adds loft (less distance)
@@CogornoGolf Thank you for your answer and very nice to hear you say that changing is not an obligation if I feel ok with my flaws! That's not something I usually hear from pros :) At my age (53), I'm afraid that any attempt to change gets me into disaster...
What I don't understand is: if I rotate my left arm I now have to be careful with my timing or I'll close the club face at impact right???..... I don't have an issue with casting or an open face... The ball goes a reasonable distance, is it still worth "fixing" this? ...
Hey!
Yes----we all need to "time" to club face at impact. All of the best players do rotate the lead arm/club face A LOT but for sure can OVERDO (or under do) anything.
If you are hitting pretty straight and far I wouldn't worry about it!
More on this topic in detail here:
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@@CogornoGolf thank you! :)
Eric.. Really good explanation.. Having this chicken wing with my driver..
Hope it helps, Kamal!
Can't wait to try that! I have a nasty chicken wing! LOL!
Hope it helps my friend!
Make sure your club face is square to closed and your swing path is from inside enough
I would say 80% or more of the chicken wing comes from those things.
Also you need some body rotation to not chicken wing in follow through
Thx first person to show me that arm rotation 😳
Hope it helps!