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I used my 602s for years in my main home theater until I found a deal I couldn't pass up on a pair of used CDM1NTs. The 705 was the successor so I'd say it's a good upgrade. The Nautilus 8 series get up into silly money.
I own a pair of dm605 s2, best $2000.00 i have ever spent in years, solid (not booming) deep bass, crisp highs and natural strong mids., (just don't run them with a cheap amp and pre amp though, they demand fancy shit to deliver superb sound)
I would love for someone to explain people doing reviews without saying anything. As a Mute from birth, I find that the gift of speech is so taken for granted in these. I love that we all have texting now, but if I could only speak!!!
You don't need to take the jack pack off the back, I've been into my 602's twice, to replace a tweeter blownby an amp discharge and to pop one out that got impacted. Did not realize 15 years ago that I WAS NOT BUYING THESE THINGS, I WAS MARRYING THEM, not "CHEAP" at all,still sound great,still look great, best stereo purchase EVER.
Don't forget that these are entry level speakers. In this aspect this is a very decent build quality for the money. Many companies has way worse (and cheaper) entry level speakers.
Overall build quality is acceptable for the price. IMO good quality drivers, cheap crossover, acceptable enclosure. This crossover looks like a custom one, esepecially the large condensers in it. Most people accuse the metal tweeter, but I think the kevlar midwoofer unit and the 6dB/oct crossover circuit together are responsible for the relativeli harsch, siblilant sound. IMO the 6dB crossover does not filter higher midrange resonancies of the kevlar membrane.
Hi! Is true, I did some separated woofer/tweeter measurements in REW and woofer speaks 7Khz very well. I wonder if the separation could be better with a 12 or 18 dB filter Question: it possible (and desirable) changes the crossover to this values? Sorry if is a (very) noob question. Thanks
Nice video, I have a pair and are one of my favorites. How or where can I purchase the whole piece you´re/he´s holding in 1:02? I see that piece has several components attached and one or two of those burnt out so I would like replacing the whole thing (the external connectors and plate are ok, it´s the transistors which are damaged). Kindest regards
Always amazes me the wire used for the crossover and driver connections. This proves there is no need for expensive speaker cable that is often pushed after sales. I know this is a entry level speaker but this issue remains in much more so called expensive hi end speakers.
@@Techscrews apologies, for B & W its one of the less costly speakers in the range. The cable used sadly looks very basic. The guage is on the small side and I wonder if it is even OFC copper. These speakers would not require anything more than 16 guage from the amplifier let alone some expensive dare I say snake oil speaker cable.
I have the same. Got them for $40.00 and one just needs a tweeter replaced. They sound real nice otherwise. I also got a CM series center channel for $30.00
What if man replace the tweeter with a Neo X1.0 ?...both are 8 Ohm. Does not need to change the crossover either .Man improve the soundstage and details by allot.... any body has experiences with this particular mater?
Does anyone know how to replace B&W Bass Unit Kevlar for " B&W Signature 30 Speaker ! How to remove the Silver Cone Ring that block the Bass Unit Kevlar! Any Video have ???
A pair similar to these (DM 602) as well as a Yamaha receiver and cd player with all the cables and interlinks was sitting on my porch when I got home today! Not kidding! They need some cleaning up but I`m looking forward to trying everything out and am very curious on who would have dropped those off?! Thanks for posting.
Yes this cuts through all the marketing hype - we see the guts of the speaker. Fairly ordinary - but a unique tweeter. Nothing special in the cabinet construction.
The drivers are quite the stand out here. The woofer offers a fully cast basket with a raised and fully vented spider. From what I've seen B&W also tend to include shorting rings in their motors, even in their more budget ranges. The tweeter looks fairly standard except for the 'nautilus' tube. No electrolytics in the crossover = a big plus for speaker longevity. Really there's nothing to fault these for except the obvious cost cutting necessary in the cabinets.
Bespoke drivers are always gonna be more expensive at a given level than off the shelf units from driver manufacturers. Crossover was alot more simple than I expected. Cabinet is fairly well braced and damped. Overall a good build for the money.
Wait a minute. How did that tweeter come out? Sticky tape? I ask because I just bought a pair and I need to fix the tweeter. Someone put there finger in it and it’s aluminum.
I don't know if there are the same as the other speakers that I talked about yesterday but either it's an injected plastic or at a cast aluminum frame for the speaker they don't have the quality that they used to have it looks again that like something that was made in China it just does not have the quality that they used to have it seems like everybody out there is taking the cheap way out of manufacturing everything and still charging outrageous prices a cheap pieces of garbage
Speakers that size don't need tons of strenght. That little woofer wont make those box walls move. And that mdf isn't actually that thin. Propably 12mm or half inch so theres no problem with wall flex.
It looks more like particle board than MDF. Sad that a company that charges a premium can't use premium materials like baltic birch plywood or even MDF.
The cheapest crap used to build a box is a paper (used for tube car subwoofers), particle board comes right after that, still a cheap crap that doesn't even hold together. MDF is much stronger, it might even be better that plywood, just doesn't look as good. But it's pretty much the best to work with.
So many haters. Its an entry level speaker from a great and respected company in the audio world. When making an entry level speaker, you have to make concessions somewhere, in this the bainet material. Having said that, this speaker sounds very good and better than 99% of the shite soldmat big box stores.
@@jasonjackson3114 A very interesting hypothesis. I'm just wondering if I like the speakers and they fit my budget, on top of that they go great with my amps but they cost $4.5K what should I do? Should I run like from a rabid dog or rethink my entire worldview because there must be something wrong with me to fall for this heresy, to like speakers for less than $5K? Or no, wait, I thought of a more paradoxical scenario. So for two years I've been after these great speakers at an incredible price: three-way electrostatics with 15" bass and since they're quite an old model they're only asking $6.5K. So that's where I got my New Year's bonus check and finally collected the money and I go overexcited to the music center and than bam! What a horror! It turns out that the manufacturer is withdrawing them from the market and have reduced them by almost half and on top of that from all of the excitement I didn't look at the calendar and it turns out that it's Black Friday - their price is lowered down to $2.5K. What the hell, two thousand five hundred dollars!?! I can't be that unlucky. Now what am I supposed to do? Apparently I'm going to have to buy the new model for $8.5K, and for the wife and the kids there will be no presents this new year too.
vintage jbl speakers where all made with particle board cabinets and are still very desired because they where so well made. You have different grades in quality with particle board and so does mdf, mdf can be of cheap quality too.
You have to understand that great budget speakers weren’t as “available” as now if that makes sense. There was no Andrew jones making the elac debut series and the pioneers, at the moment Polk t15 bookshelves are on sale for 70$ on amazon. That kind of quality for money wasn’t as available when these speakers were made. That’s why you see the cheaper materials, although they still might have a really characteristic sound and I saw them in good condition for 75$ sometime I would definitely pick them up.
it's not because a speaker is particle board that it's cheaply made, all vintage jbl speakers where particle board and they are some of the best speakers ever made. I've seen cheap computer speakers with mdf subwoofer box that doesn't mean they sounded good.
I don't think too many people who have B&W speakers would agree with that. They sell a lot of speakers, but you'll notice that more people had B&W, then have. They're aluminum tweeters are like ice pics in the ears, and the diamond tweeters sound like sandpaper. The midrange is very good, and that's why people buy them. After a while, though, the highs will start to bother you, and the bass is very lean. And that's when the fun starts. Instead of just getting rid of the speakers and buy something better, most try to fix them with tubes, cables, tweaks... An after spending all that money, then the speakers go. Much better speakers can be had for a lot less.
I own the 602 S2 and what can I say is they are superb speakers, that needs a great room to work properly. Untreated bare walls are enemy from these tweeters - This, plus treating the room with the right amount of traps down to 40Khz (and it means lots of absorption) and you´re done. One will read all the BS about these (and others) great speakers: from "boomy lows" to harsh highs", "scooped mids", etc, etc. Truth: biggest part of these problems are room/speakers interaction related. Proof? Listen to the vast majority of YT videos showing Hi Fi speakers, even the expensive ones - in a poor treated room, they usually sounds bad. Mine is in a control room treated for mastering. I will post a video asap showing the speakers here.
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Had mine 20 years now & still amazing. Naim Uniti, Chord Epic & Rega 3.👍🇬🇧🏆
Same here and still sound good to me ☺️
I bought a set of these second-hand back in 2002. They still sound great almost 16 years later.
there are a lot of users with the same story :)
I used my 602s for years in my main home theater until I found a deal I couldn't pass up on a pair of used CDM1NTs. The 705 was the successor so I'd say it's a good upgrade. The Nautilus 8 series get up into silly money.
I got given a pair around the same time & have them connected to my Quad 909 never thought about upgrading my setup since.
Me too. 2000 i think. Still good.
@Blob B I have found them in a mint condition , they ware stored in a box for few years. I am thinking to buy them. hope they will be good
I own a pair of dm605 s2, best $2000.00 i have ever spent in years, solid (not booming) deep bass, crisp highs and natural strong mids., (just don't run them with a cheap amp and pre amp though, they demand fancy shit to deliver superb sound)
I would love for someone to explain people doing reviews without saying anything. As a Mute from birth, I find that the gift of speech is so taken for granted in these. I love that we all have texting now, but if I could only speak!!!
dude, my english is too bad for speaking.
You don't need to take the jack pack off the back, I've been into my 602's twice, to replace a tweeter blownby an amp discharge and to pop one out that got impacted.
Did not realize 15 years ago that I WAS NOT BUYING THESE THINGS, I WAS MARRYING THEM, not "CHEAP" at all,still sound great,still look great, best stereo purchase EVER.
They are amazing good and second hand cost so sweet price :)
Don't forget that these are entry level speakers. In this aspect this is a very decent build quality for the money. Many companies has way worse (and cheaper) entry level speakers.
Хорошая, добротная акустика, была ранее... Работала с Densen B 100.
I got two of these for just $200 almost new....awesome !
that very sweet price :)
Overall build quality is acceptable for the price. IMO good quality drivers, cheap crossover, acceptable enclosure. This crossover looks like a custom one, esepecially the large condensers in it.
Most people accuse the metal tweeter, but I think the kevlar midwoofer unit and the 6dB/oct crossover circuit together are responsible for the relativeli harsch, siblilant sound. IMO the 6dB crossover does not filter higher midrange resonancies of the kevlar membrane.
Hi! Is true, I did some separated woofer/tweeter measurements in REW and woofer speaks 7Khz very well. I wonder if the separation could be better with a 12 or 18 dB filter Question: it possible (and desirable) changes the crossover to this values? Sorry if is a (very) noob question. Thanks
Nice video, I have a pair and are one of my favorites. How or where can I purchase the whole piece you´re/he´s holding in 1:02? I see that piece has several components attached and one or two of those burnt out so I would like replacing the whole thing (the external connectors and plate are ok, it´s the transistors which are damaged). Kindest regards
Always amazes me the wire used for the crossover and driver connections. This proves there is no need for expensive speaker cable that is often pushed after sales. I know this is a entry level speaker but this issue remains in much more so called expensive hi end speakers.
it's not realy entry level, sooner mid-level
@@Techscrews apologies, for B & W its one of the less costly speakers in the range. The cable used sadly looks very basic. The guage is on the small side and I wonder if it is even OFC copper. These speakers would not require anything more than 16 guage from the amplifier let alone some expensive dare I say snake oil speaker cable.
just close eyes and listen to sound from these speakers, they sound very very sweet for the price.
@@Techscrews I am sure they sound nice 👍
I don’t believe in cables after all they only transport electricity. Not sound.
I have the same. Got them for $40.00 and one just needs a tweeter replaced. They sound real nice otherwise. I also got a CM series center channel for $30.00
Just got pair from e bay fantastic speakers
No electrolytics on the crossover, this speaker was built to last (and sound the same) for years.
they sound so good and cost nice price in second hand markets. WhatHifi gave them all 5 star.
What if man replace the tweeter with a Neo X1.0 ?...both are 8 Ohm. Does not need to change the crossover either .Man improve the soundstage and details by allot.... any body has experiences with this particular mater?
you can't change the drivers just based on its impedance. the frequency response is different. that alone means you need to change the crossover.
Had mine for eighteen years, just don't see a reason to upgrade, also have the 2000 badge engineered sub,and center, best buy EVER.
I have a pair of 602s which I got in 1997. Still using them today. Don't intend to change
Does anyone know how to replace B&W Bass Unit Kevlar for " B&W Signature 30 Speaker ! How to remove the Silver Cone Ring that block the Bass Unit Kevlar! Any Video have ???
The sound detail with this speaker is brain curling
A pair similar to these (DM 602) as well as a Yamaha receiver and cd player with all the cables and interlinks was sitting on my porch when I got home today! Not kidding! They need some cleaning up but I`m looking forward to trying everything out and am very curious on who would have dropped those off?! Thanks for posting.
so? you listen to them? keep them? you same to write this same story a little but everywhere you comment XD
look vintage mais bien conçu mise à part les cosses aux hauts-parleurs et la mousse d'emballage à l'intérieur.
Yes this cuts through all the marketing hype - we see the guts of the speaker. Fairly ordinary - but a unique tweeter. Nothing special in the cabinet construction.
The drivers are quite the stand out here. The woofer offers a fully cast basket with a raised and fully vented spider. From what I've seen B&W also tend to include shorting rings in their motors, even in their more budget ranges. The tweeter looks fairly standard except for the 'nautilus' tube.
No electrolytics in the crossover = a big plus for speaker longevity.
Really there's nothing to fault these for except the obvious cost cutting necessary in the cabinets.
Bespoke drivers are always gonna be more expensive at a given level than off the shelf units from driver manufacturers. Crossover was alot more simple than I expected. Cabinet is fairly well braced and damped. Overall a good build for the money.
🙂 It is beautiful, sehr shön, perfektní klip 😊
have you tested them with the ports closed with plugs?
No, i don't try it.
Its buiild quality is great inside and out.. :o
they are very good speakers :)
What is it with high end speakers that looks horrible with their covers on?
Blob B Yeah but 'cmon... They have designers. Pay them to do their job.
Blob B Why should it not have a shape? A round triangle would look better imo. Maybe put some color in it.
so you could have the tweeter swap places with the port hole?
what you mean with this "swap places with the port hole" ? Thanks.
Wait a minute. How did that tweeter come out? Sticky tape? I ask because I just bought a pair and I need to fix the tweeter. Someone put there finger in it and it’s aluminum.
i dont remember, but i think needed to rotate tweeter :)
@@Techscrews I figured it out and was able to take the tweeter apart and push out the dent. Thanks.
I wanted to see the inside....
The right dimension is 490 x 236 x 306 ( HxWxD )
Is that a fake phase plug?
yes, but I think, that they in B&W speakers give some effect.
Do youk ow where i can buy tweeters from
Ask for the tweeters bw
song please
Electro Light ft. Kathryn MacLean - The Edge [NCS Release]
B&W not use a big magnet its all ordinairy stuff inside this loudspeakerbox.
I must agree that my Paradigm atom monitor s7 are much smaller but use same size magnet as those dm602 s2 XD
I don't know if there is bad it's
I don't know if there are the same as the other speakers that I talked about yesterday but either it's an injected plastic or at a cast aluminum frame for the speaker they don't have the quality that they used to have it looks again that like something that was made in China it just does not have the quality that they used to have it seems like everybody out there is taking the cheap way out of manufacturing everything and still charging outrageous prices a cheap pieces of garbage
Only the price has value.
Muito top!
NO SILICON DE-COUPLIN GASKETS---A 20 CENTS SOLUTION THAT WOULD A LOT A LOT---
cheap thin MDF construction, not well braced. Crossover are decent, but not top shelf.
Speakers that size don't need tons of strenght. That little woofer wont make those box walls move. And that mdf isn't actually that thin. Propably 12mm or half inch so theres no problem with wall flex.
It looks more like particle board than MDF. Sad that a company that charges a premium can't use premium materials like baltic birch plywood or even MDF.
I think good particle board is way better than Most MDF(not talking about thickness,I'm talking about overall strength)
The cheapest crap used to build a box is a paper (used for tube car subwoofers), particle board comes right after that, still a cheap crap that doesn't even hold together. MDF is much stronger, it might even be better that plywood, just doesn't look as good. But it's pretty much the best to work with.
So many haters. Its an entry level speaker from a great and respected company in the audio world. When making an entry level speaker, you have to make concessions somewhere, in this the bainet material. Having said that, this speaker sounds very good and better than 99% of the shite soldmat big box stores.
You never should pay too much money for loudspeakers..Maybe they are better than cheap loudspeakers but not that much better (5 000 -10 000$)
or in other words, look at price/performance.
Yep. Exactly. $5000 to $10, 000 is a good price point. Beyond this figure and the "law of diminishing returns" climbs off the chart in a real hurry.
@@jasonjackson3114 A very interesting hypothesis. I'm just wondering if I like the speakers and they fit my budget, on top of that they go great with my amps but they cost $4.5K what should I do? Should I run like from a rabid dog or rethink my entire worldview because there must be something wrong with me to fall for this heresy, to like speakers for less than $5K? Or no, wait, I thought of a more paradoxical scenario. So for two years I've been after these great speakers at an incredible price: three-way electrostatics with 15" bass and since they're quite an old model they're only asking $6.5K. So that's where I got my New Year's bonus check and finally collected the money and I go overexcited to the music center and than bam! What a horror! It turns out that the manufacturer is withdrawing them from the market and have reduced them by almost half and on top of that from all of the excitement I didn't look at the calendar and it turns out that it's Black Friday - their price is lowered down to $2.5K. What the hell, two thousand five hundred dollars!?! I can't be that unlucky. Now what am I supposed to do? Apparently I'm going to have to buy the new model for $8.5K, and for the wife and the kids there will be no presents this new year too.
That's a tiny magnet.
derbigpr500 yeah it’s a little small
bigger magnet might mean lower Q and thus less bass.
Tomas Kuruc
Not true, there are far more factors involved.
Just paid $70 for used....:)
Particle board, LOL.
you are stupid and Ignorant about speaker cabinet construction,LOl, LOl, LOl, LOL, LOl.
vintage jbl speakers where all made with particle board cabinets and are still very desired because they where so well made. You have different grades in quality with particle board and so does mdf, mdf can be of cheap quality too.
made of chipboard
Best acoustic material.
carlosmante lol NOPE. It's just the cheapest.
just gonna be honest and say that these are cheaply made and crappy.... they even use particle board lol
maybe the made is not the best but they sound so good :) WhatHifi gave the maximum rating - 5 stars
You have to understand that great budget speakers weren’t as “available” as now if that makes sense. There was no Andrew jones making the elac debut series and the pioneers, at the moment Polk t15 bookshelves are on sale for 70$ on amazon. That kind of quality for money wasn’t as available when these speakers were made. That’s why you see the cheaper materials, although they still might have a really characteristic sound and I saw them in good condition for 75$ sometime I would definitely pick them up.
it's not because a speaker is particle board that it's cheaply made, all vintage jbl speakers where particle board and they are some of the best speakers ever made. I've seen cheap computer speakers with mdf subwoofer box that doesn't mean they sounded good.
yeah ok
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Fake phase plug, tinny magnet. This is cheap.
Metal dome tweeters are not to my taste.
cheap metal dome tweeters at high volume sound terrible, b&w use more better and it sound more impressively.
I don't think too many people who have B&W speakers would agree with that. They sell a lot of speakers, but you'll notice that more people had B&W, then have. They're aluminum tweeters are like ice pics in the ears, and the diamond tweeters sound like sandpaper. The midrange is very good, and that's why people buy them. After a while, though, the highs will start to bother you, and the bass is very lean. And that's when the fun starts. Instead of just getting rid of the speakers and buy something better, most try to fix them with tubes, cables, tweaks... An after spending all that money, then the speakers go. Much better speakers can be had for a lot less.
I think good metal domes sound great.
I own the 602 S2 and what can I say is they are superb speakers, that needs a great room to work properly. Untreated bare walls are enemy from these tweeters - This, plus treating the room with the right amount of traps down to 40Khz (and it means lots of absorption) and you´re done. One will read all the BS about these (and others) great speakers: from "boomy lows" to harsh highs", "scooped mids", etc, etc. Truth: biggest part of these problems are room/speakers interaction related. Proof? Listen to the vast majority of YT videos showing Hi Fi speakers, even the expensive ones - in a poor treated room, they usually sounds bad. Mine is in a control room treated for mastering. I will post a video asap showing the speakers here.
Cheap speakers
that's a jbl
junk