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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- An anxious player and a game that (literally) talks to you.
Thank you to NeatPick ( / neatpick ) for the footage of Disco Elysium. Additional credit to FalloutTactics ( / fallouttactics ) for the New Vegas footage.
Thanks to Deadweight ( / deadweightlks ) for miscellaneous help with the video.
9:45 Spoilers Start
13:48 Spoilers End
Music in order of appearance:
Martinaise District Theme 1 - Disco Elysium
Celeste OST 09 - Celeste
Rest Area - Pikmin 2
Inside the Crashed Space Pirate Frigate - Metroid
Manual Tour - Nintendo 3DS Louvre
Peaceful Waters - TES III Morrowind
Build a trail - Nintendo 3DS Louvre - เกม
![Disco Elysium, Acid Communism, and Revolutionary Art [SPOILERS]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/-DQcMRuKqRg/mqdefault.jpg)
It's such a trip when you do karaoke, and you realize that the Ancient Reptilian Brain and Limbic Systems both speak in Harry's actual voice.
Speak as*
@@Tuskbumper na I'm pretty sure it reads better the way he wrote it
That tune near Whirling in rags is a very cheap and dirty trick. The melody is repeatable and easily remembered, and somehow brings a faint feeling of nostalgia upon first hearing. It instantly gets imprinted in memory and brings a lot of associations and memories about the game, that special feeling when you first discovered it, and it makes you want to go back there and feel it again
It reminds me of the Organon Anthem from Goodbye Deponia. It's familiar, but also frustrating because the music doesn't progress the way I expect.
I had always figured that Dros represented a natural endpoint for Harry as someone who is only capable of looking into the past with not just no hope for the future but no ability to even perceive it, but it never clicked to me that he was full-bore doing the stream of conciousness of your skills out loud. Good observation, well done!
Thank you!
Instant classic, and a game that will stick with me forever. So good just hearing that Martinase horn shoots me back into the world like no other game.
Agreed! The music choices are incredible
Man these horns are spiritual.
The opening splash screen shows the view from the snipers nest.
I'm not sure how long it will take but I long for the day this gets a sequel. I'll buy it in a heart beat. The narration, the world building and the art style are all top class.
I don't think it will get a sequel, but I absolutely hope for a spiritual successor. In the meantime, I heard Norco was good, you may be interested!
@@wikiales Cheers for the recommendation, I'll forever be hooked on games like disco elysium. They tell a story that no other media can hold a candle to by being an interactive one. Disco Elysium's sad, sombre and yet somehow calming and beautiful world makes you feel like you've lived there. If not a sequel for the crazy bastard that is Harrier Du Bois like you said a spiritual successor set in the same world, hell even a different precinct would be more then enough.
Personally I had a jaw dropping moment when harry was talking about the world and how it was formed etc, to find out that the (planet?) isn't a sphere but a wide ocean of grey mist that a void of oblivion that people transit only to have their greatest and worst memories fade like smoke in the wind is something that I'll always remember. The worlds mysteries is something I'd love to revisit.
@@andrijasinadinovic3216 It is unthinkable that another game based on the same universe isn't propping up. The amount of effort that went into the worldbuilding is insane, it's glistening gold of an IP.
@@wikiales I think Norco is indeed a good game with a great narration. It's much shorter, not as detailed or as beautiful, but very immersive.
Maybe a prequel ?
The algorithm has you now
HOW IS IT YOUR FIRST VIDEO IT'S SO GOOD DJJDD the quality of this work is insane and your voice sound so good and you make wanna play Disco Elysium and AHAJDJFJD
😭😭
I think i'll have to play it again now that the whole game has voice acting
The funny part about the political stuff is that it doesn't even really matter - it's all just part of the "clinging to the past" theme. People who focus on the political themes miss the bigger picture: whether you become a fascist or a communist, both cling to a past that will never come back. Just like how Harry clings to his own personal past (with Dora) which will never come back. Almost everyone in Martinaise clings to the past, trying to bring it back despite the chance for that being minuscule. Yet nobody is willing to move on.
Except for Measurehead, who encourages you to leave the past behind and grasp the future. His crude interpretation of scientific racism claims that decadence and nostalgia have led the "ham sandwich race" to lose grip of their former glory and slide into weakness. He claims that the future belongs to those who seize it. And he mocks Harry for being a failure - but at the same time challenges him to leave his addictions behind and climb back out of the abyss he has fallen into.
And then there's the kids creating their "anodic dance music". Techno, a new style of music... a futuristic style of music. A type of dance music to replace the antiquated disco music Harry still clings to. The young teens creating this new style of music represent the idea of breaking with the past and moving forward into the future, while Harry's obsession with disco represents his desperate clinging to the past, a past whose glory days are long over and will never come back.
But by helping the kids create their new anodic dance music, Harry is taking an important step forward. It is at that moment, when he dances to this futuristic sound, that he has his most revealing metaphysical experience. He finally manages to find himself - by letting go of the past and embracing the future.
The communist vision quest is literally all about imagining a better future and holding on to hope. There’s definitely an element of sadness about the past, the deserter being a primary and potent example; but the game provides more nuance to it than just that. Communism is a way to imagine a better future, something that has never been done before. It’s not about romanticizing the past
Spoken like a true Moralist.
Jokes aside, this is a really good analysis and really puts together the "morality" of the game with the reason behind the intense political narrative in the game. Both the notion of 'leaving the past to embrace the future' is explored in Harry as a character study and how the political ideologies fighting each other is represented as this comment nicely points out.
However, I would like to assert that the "discourse" is /equally/ central to the game as the "moral." The reason there is political discourse is that each ideology represents a possibility for the future, and arguably every character wants to make that picture the next reality. There are characters that stand NOT to make that change and therefore suffer and fail to enact - Renee comes to mind; Yosef; The Cryptozoologist but NOT her husband - it's only characters that "win" that gather what their idea of the future is and moves on.
If you let Joyce "win" she sneakily declares she's someone who truly believes an Ultraliberal world is possible - she's making it happen right now because she has the means to. While the Moralintern reigns supreme, surviving Ultraliberals "bet on the right horse." Nothing in Moralism necessarily forbade the actions of or butt heads with anyone under the Ultraliberal banner, of sorts. The situation with the strike is exactly that: Joyce is the one whose finger is on the trigger in this situation; she is who is being struck against - the world is already moving from the past, including the time the Moralintern ruled.
On the other hand, if you let Evrart "win," who right out the gate is shady as all Hell, is ultimately revealed to be... not NOT on the side of the commies/strikers etc., He just has incredibly questionable methods of representing that. He's incredibly blaise about the moral prerogative of a left-leaning ideology like communism; but he's remarkably upfront that he does not want to be representative of any pre-conceived notions of pre-existing ideology. He does not want to be associated with the past and therefore won't be. The past is completely irrelevant - do what must be done, by any means necessary.
Both Joyce and Evrart are EXTREME examples of what happens when you care about the future and only the future. "My vision of the future must happen NOW and therefore all ends justify the means, by then it will be the past and doesn't matter."
I think that feeling of "none of this political stuff matters" comes from the fact that, even though the discourse is "solved" by the end of the game, there doesn't seem to be any clear-cut 'winners' here. The guy whodunnit was an old commie deserter from very far away. Even if you figure that out, you don't feel like you've "won" the case. You don't have a political target to "solve" the battle between the ideologies either. Who the hell wins here? And here is where the game, and most likely everyone in the world, is limited: it doesn't have all the answers and can't answer the question of "who is winning? who should win?" The only 'moral' you can take away is the one that you can either agree or disagree with: "Let go of the past because it's not coming back." And unfortunately, that doesn't 'solve' the political crisis - but it's something. And just 'something' can mean a whole lot in this dumpster fire world.
@@burninghippies5355 It's about wrecking the future because you can't let go of an enticing idea.
Which is what both are about. I can see how the mind virus hit you, erase that shit from your mind and embrace reality before you hurt other people.
@@bloodyidit4506 LMFAO
@Josh Smith hey, i know some of the older zaum team personally and you are extremely wrong. good day!
The music somehow reminds me of the original blade runner film
Great job w your very first video dude! I like it
Thank you!
I don't have words how much I loved this game
I found my character mostly despicable. I did my best to help him pick up the pieces of his failures as an adult but there was just no hope. He was determined to be miserable and i couldnt make him be any better. It was less sad than frustrating.
I had the same experience. For me it was partly due to failing most of the rolls.
Great job my homie
Subscribed, keep up the good work
Thanks for the video
Un primer vidéo fantastico!! :)
Dweight (un primer video fantastico) peo wueno solo comentando eso
Hehe pesomuerto
Very good video
Thank you!
This game have one of the best OST ever made. On par with VtM:Bloodlines, HoM&M series and OG Deus Ex.
great vid👍
Like commented and subscribed 👍
This is literally me
you sound like Tommy... x2 atmospheric
New vegas really is just that great, its almost if not mentioned in every rpg vid essay i watch
Great vid still!
Muy interesante!
hey can you do 1 video about outer wilds
I haven't played it just yet, but when I'll keep it in the back of my head :)
Edit your narrative down viciously. Get this to five or even four minutes. Turn that title screen (with the cool Martinase horns) down to 4 seconds. People are going to be less merciful on successive videos. Otherwise good material best to you
It's an excellently written adventure game, I just wish the devs weren't champagne socialists; or at least, I wish they didn't try to "subtly" insinuate their own skewed worldview into the game. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth as someone who was born and grew up during the death throes of the communist bloc in an ex-satellite state, suffering the aftermath that their disgusting ideology left on my country.
How did they do that? Almost everyone in the game makes fun of you if you're communist and internalizing the socialist thought gives you debuffs to anything that isn't begging for money.
@@DuckieMcduck It's moreso to do with the portrayal of communism as some noble but ultimately doomed endeavor; hearkens back to vatniks lamenting the inevitable failure of the bloc.
@@Scaevola9449 Is it portrayed like that? Your character can say it was noble if you want, you don't have to.
The emotion that reaches out to you about how Communism noble, is "gold mouth" Rhetoric. Throughout the game that emotion does not care about what's true or logical, only if it's a flashy, compelling argument to win with. Declining the thought will then result in every other emotion laughing at it or calling it stupid.
You can still pursue it much like you can pursue any other political thought.
I think you're the one with the skewed worldview.
The creators of the game also grew up in a satellite state, they grew up with and knew the pains of misused communism whether it be personally or through their families.
I always think about what actually gives me - the player - agency in any game. For Civilization I think that some metaphysical entity exists that somehow shapes the State of which it is a representation. In Crusader Kings I see my primary figure as a type of spirit that tries to keep the family congruent with the vision of the initial founder of the dynasty and so on.
For Disco Elysium I imagine myself to be one of the inner voices in HDB. One who tries to repair both the broken man and his relation to the broken world as much as possible. Or that part of him that means well, but keeps getting overthrown by other urges.
That's a beautiful way to look at it. I'd suspect you'd really love deltarune, but I imagine you already know about it :)
what is HDB? Also - very well worded, sir
@@s3eha This would be a spoiler, so in case you don't want to know I advise others not to say ;)
@@wikiales ok, don't tell me :D this game is on my playlist. Do you think it's worth getting it on switch, or should I stick to PC version?
@@s3eha I played the PC one myself and I enjoyed clicking around to move, but I would assume either one is good :)
This game was indeed different. Such a carefully constructed and complex world and characters. Funny and crushingly sad at the same time. I hadn't skipped a single dialogue throughout the whole thing and tried to not miss anything. It's very rare nowadays that any game is as engaging to me as this one was. I was happily being sad while playing it
Those damn trumpets man
The deserter HITS DIFF, i'm in love with him
The music in that section is genuinely nuts. Gets your heart pumping just at the sheer despair of the situation. Amazing stuff
this game has inspired me to put more effort into classifying the various voices in my head. I hear them, but I do not know their real names. also the only playthrough I've had of this game was the cuno ending which despite only 2.5% of people getting I think is the best one; Cuno best character.
If you are hearing voices seek help
@@omensoffate you clearly have a very authoritarian structure in your mind palace, i do not approve
@@omensoffate HALF-LIGHT [ Trivial: Success ]: Oh no
Диско вечно
its a only game thats looks like writer had full control over writing and only planescape torment is close to this
from 8:46 he said some words that completely truth ! IT just happened to me!
HARDCORE!!!
Dream big! (Almohada grande!)
Good video
Thanks Cerezo! :))
Should I watch this video if I have not played Disco Elysium, but definitely plan to?
There's a spoiler section in case you want to skip it ;)
What do you mean. It's literally me
Islet is pronounced "Eye-let", like island is pronounced "eye-land".
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
ASMR when?
great video but why would you abruptly spoil the ending with no warning?
LOGIC [Easy - Success] - The video did contain a clear spoiler warning. Why would he write this?
DRAMA [Challenging - Failure] - It’s impossible to say whether this is advanced theatre craft or actual unawareness, sire.
EMPATHY [Medium - Success] - Whichever one it is, he wanted a response from someone.
Rhetoric [Medium - Success] - And now he shall finally have it.
Conversation with Iosef Lilianovich Dros is disappointing and had no built-up in previous events and investigation.
Well, what were you expecting? The guy's not a BBEG, but a rundown, bitter old man, crazily hanging to the past (reflecting Harry), who happened to set in motion the chain of events out of his control (like Gavrilo Princip?). At this point what's done is done. All that's left is to finish the case and move on. He had no grandiose goal or intricate plan, at the end of the day he was just another killer who caused a mess in the world, like many before him, many to come. IMO it works.
Actually it leads up in this way:
- You can count how many people were involved in lynching and you'll get Ruby's trucker footprints from the day of the crime
- If you find the footprints and the peephole in the Whirling "secret passage" then you can already deduce there's a new suspect involved that isn't Ruby.
- When you're trying to get Titus to spill the beans about Ruby, Rhetoric/Logic will beg you to omit the discrepancies (that do in fact exist) so you can pin the blame and get your next "reasonable" lead for the investigation.
- If that wasn't convincing enough, yet another Volition check outside the Whirling in Rags will "beg your pardon" and tell you the scenery you made up with the weapon being fired atop the Whirling makes is _unreasonable_ but it's "all you got" to make it "reasonable".
- Passing the check on Visual Calculus will give you 3 locations to clear: The Bay, The Boardwalk, The Islet. But they are increasingly _unreasonable_ odds.
Later the game starts throwing this all at you: You're dealing with people. Things you thought reasonable like a cold jigsaw puzzle are in fact a steaming unreasonable jello, and out of your control. It starts with Ruby's trap: She gives you details that contradict all testimonies, mentions how it would have been obvious someone would have heard the gunfire, ontop of the fact she could have easily killed you and Kim there and then (she's not a killer). At the tribunal, you get a bonus 4th Mercenary with a Nock cannon nobody told you about. This then leads to the 3 intoxicated merc troglodytes not being able to be reasoned with, ending with at least 6 people dying and you getting shot in the hip in the best circumstances.
The one thing is that you cannot check the Islet before the Tribunal even if you have for enough "reasoning" to check it. Kim (who is by all means the compass of reason throughout the whole game) will intercept and say that it in fact was _unreasonable_ to check it. Lilianovich is an _unreasonable_ murderer who had been sporadically sniping people for decades in some craphole town but nobody really noticed, until he finally took out someone who would be _reasonably_ missed.
What I think the game did there is on purpose. It leads you to a superstar climax then it pushes you off a cliff with the reality check that you are just a person dealing with life and reason can fail, you either sink or swim with that fact by trying to get what really happened off Lilianovich: the unreasonable reason. How the game always gave you chance for failure and success regardless of your stats was also a way to fully ingrain this.
Great game and impressive first video, mate!! Subbed 😻😻