Such practices should come with an attacked law that if they stop the service, they should have to roll out a patch that unlocks all features for free.
This is kinda how I feel about IP. I have no problem with long intellectual property licensing periods . . . so long as a company/owner is actively making use of the property and making it available. The point of intellectual property is to protect the right to profit off of an idea in exchange for cultivating technology or culture. It costs money to preserve and curate and distribute But once you stop doing all that, a reasonable length (not too long, not too short) timer needs to start ticking down before it all gets yeated into the public domain. I feel like that's one of the better compromise positions regarding games/books/tv shows.
@@BustermachineI'm still trying to figure out exactly what my thoughts are regarding IP, but this definitely seems like a reasonable compromise to me.
My main concern is the legality. I don't care about software unlocks as long as it's legal to unlock it yourself if you can figure out how. My 1990s Volvo had heated seats installed at the factory, but they only put a switch on the dashboard if you paid for the feature. I bought it second hand, without heated seats. I went on ebay, bought the switch, connected it to the wires behind the dashboard, and had heated seats. Not only was it legal, but my warranty was legally protected. If my engine died, they HAD to cover it under warranty unless they could PROVE me turning on the heated seats damaged the engine. We NEED the same legal protections for tech that we have for cars. Intel wants to sell you a chip with disabled cores? Fine. But I bought that chip, and they can't do anything about it if I figure out how to enable those cores. Back to cars. Imagine if you bought a car with 300 horsepower, but you modified it and got 500 horsepower. Now imagine if the manufacturer tried to claim that you STOLE 200 horsepower from them. With a car, the manufacturer would be laughted out of the court. But technology, these arguments carry weight.
I have one word for you: DMCA. In more words: 17 U.S.C. § 1201(a)(1) - No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work. I know that technically "work" here means "copyrighted work", but corporations have been *effectively* using this measure to prevent consumer post-sale modification of products from printer ink cartridges through coffee machines to motorized farm equipment - the leap to cars isn't a huge one.
See, you're like those assholes when cars came out trying to muddy the waters to make it impossible to innovate by holding it to old, outdated standards that make no sense today. Yeah, that made sense in the past when it was a physical switch and it wasn't necessary to do all that work... now it's almost REQUIRED to centralize everything to get the cheapest and most efficient version of a product. Here's my thought... if I'm selling you a single purchase product, you abide by MY standards or you're cut off from accessing MY services I have to pay every single month for. Yeah sure, unlock all those cores... you'll NEVER get another security update for that CPU anymore though. Why the hell should I be forced to shell out money because you went and unlocked features you didn't pay for? I TOLD you what you paid for, all you're entitled to do is mess with the hardware you own, but I also have to right to never update your software because OOOPS, you unlocked features you didn't pay for. This is the new Era where companies are required to do this centralizing shit, so leaving them with 100% of the financial liability is crazy. You might as well demand a a billion dollars from Google, you'll have more luck with that. This isn't just a computer thing... if you did that to your car today, I fully expect for them to cut you off from their online services and ban you from using their company mechanics. Software update? Naw. Security update? Should have thought of that before trying to steal.
@@guss77 DMCA was enacted by bribed lobbyist to protect corpo interest and end of history. But like Jefferson said "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes a duty"
I think the biggest pain point with subscription services (for me at least) is that it’s not like a loan. You can pay months or years for a service, and when you stop, there is no tangible thing left. If I buy a license or an album, that’s mine for life. I can maintain a system to utilise it. But with subscriptions, often I’ll have paid many times more than the actual cost of the original product, to end up with nothing… it feels gross and predatory
What? That's not how reality works. So what, a product can only disappear if you subscribe to it? Let's play this game... you buy a Tesla for $100,000 and then the next day it gets raided for whatever crimes and the company goes bankrupt due to all the lawsuits.... your car won't fucking work. In fact, most modern vehicles will have a noticeable decrease in features than it did before. The problem is that we're moving into the age where you can't avoid going online without suggesting we shoot ourselves in the foot as a species and basically sulk in our own suicidal thoughts as the universe literally puts a pillow over our face and suffocate us. The other issue is that the car company doesn't have to fail... going back to Adobe, ALL their online services are hosted on either Amazon or Microsoft servers... what happens if those companies goes down? Those 2 companies collectively host 71% of the world's cloud storage content. When including all storage across the internet, those 2 companies account for 42.5% of ALL data storage on the internet. What do you think happens to all those single purchase products then? Do you own steam and have steam games? Nope.. you don't anymore because Steam has no servers to host it on.
@@ryanthompson3737how conveniently you chose tesla as your car example, now choose a real car brand and you will see that their cars will do mostly fine
Yup, it really sucks. A thing I liked xbox gold(the forced online service) was that you monthly get 3 games to keep. It made the monthly payment a bit easier.
@@ryanthompson3737 yes that is definitely how reality works. You own absolutely NOTHING that you subscribe to. The moment the subscription ends, you're left with nothing. you chose a toy car company as an example. every real car would work just fine without their company. and if you have an older car, the company could disappear and nothing would change. I've been using pirated adobe products for years and I've never needed their online services. as long as my PC works, my adobe software will work, even if adobe dies. if amazon or microsoft went bankrupt tomorrow it would not affect me in the slightest, since I use none of their services or cloud storage content. steam games can be launched from their exe file in the steamlibrary folder even if steam servers are down. I have a total of ZERO subscriptions. My SSDs and HDDs hold all of my programs, music, pictures, videos, etc. The only downloaded/paid things that wouldn't work on my PC without company servers are multiplayer games.
This is what I worry about with all of my IOT devices... So far it's only been Awair and Nest who have screwed me in this way. Awair shut off access to my perfectly functioning device 3 years after I bought it. We need to have a consumer protection clause that says if a company discontinues a service they must open source the service so that the user community can continue to support it.
We are still staying away from to much IOT in Industrial Automation..... Installing some cheap remote IO then finding out 1 year later when you goto get more that the company no longer exists is NOT what you want lol sadly alot more (newer) engineers are doing it to be competitive and get a foot in the door
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I would say that generally any product on the market (software, media and even hardware) that hits the market needs a countdown. When it gets old enough or when it is pulled out of the market, all technical data and sources should be made available. It's perfectly reasonable for me. You've got the copyright protection for whatever you created, you have the monopoly to use your invention. You pay for this privilege by being obligated to share how you did it exactly when the time is up or when you decided not to provide it anymore. You stopped manufacturing old mobile phone or providing replacement parts? That's fine, just show us how to make it. You stopped working on certain application or service, that's fine. Just share it so that others can continue it. You don't want to sell a license for your movie? That's fine too, just share it for free. The only alternative would be no protection from piracy from the start. Basically the way patents work. You can keep it secret but it's not patented. You can patent that but then you shared details about your invention with others, they just can't use it.
Matter if I understand it correctly will really help with home IoT devices. I think they don't rely on any particular company servers, just your local hub setting them up to use a particular server (e.g. Google Home's servers).
Here is the worst case - in Europe there was an electric bike company from the Netherlands: VanMoof. They went bankrupt, which would have made the bikes unusable because you couldn't access them without an app that needed their servers. They were saved at the last minute, but it's a good illustration of what's in store for us.
Car manufacturers locking features behind a subscription are earning such a negative image in my eyes that I will go well out of my way to avoid those brands. Hopefully others are reacting similarly and rewarding the manufacturers who don't.
@@jonvb2439 I believe OP is referring to things like heated seats and steering wheels, two examples that come standard on every car today, while BMW tried to force users to pay an annual subscription for it, and was greeted with customers who literally "jailbroke" their cars to unlock it.
@Djentlman But that never happened... heated seats are and have always been an add on feature, they just decided to cut costs by reducing the number and complexity of production lines by including ALL hardware into the vehicle. This OPENED UP the possibility to subscribing by the month instead of outright buying it, but it was more a bonus than an intended feature. For instance, you live in California where only 1-2 months of the year is cold enough for heated seats... why pay hundreds AND be forced to pay thousands more in a bundle package instead of each individual feature, and even pay by the usage instead? For those 2 months, you end up saving quite a bit over 5-7 years.
@@DjentlmanPoint is that people mistake what's IN the car for what they PAID for. It's like assuming you have a lifetime subscription to photoshop because it was pre-installed on your computer. You PAID for what you got, everything else was put in on BMWs dime in the hopes that it makes it easier and more inticing for people to pay more money instead of accepting what they have and upgrading when they get a new car.
Yup. I've run into a few. I would rather go without at all, then to cowtow to their bs. I got a Google pixel 7 pro. First, best phone I've ever had. I had a LG Stylo 4 until six months ago. I refuse to buy any Apple products specifically because of how horrible they are.
The word "dystopia" was certainly coming to my mind the whole time. Let's just remember this when corporations start turning our bionic limbs off because we forgot to pay the monthly suscription. Damn, Deus Ex and Cyberpunk are starting to look tame.
Getting shut down isn't the only issue and IMHO it's unlikely this will be a thing they'll be able to even legally implement. However, the more realistic issue is manufacturers dropping support for older parts and not offering replacements or spare parts. This already kinda happened to people who got bionic eye implants after the company making them discontinued work on the product.
There's also a movie called Repo Men. People can now get artifical organs, but if they can't afford them, these Repo Men would come and get them. It's totally fucked up
I really really like the Jetbrains Fallback License model. It allows one to keep the latest release that got published while using an 1 year subscription even afterwards. That seems like a nice compromise for me between a company getting reoccurring payments for a product, therefore supporting the development. While also being able to just keep a version if there aren't any new features one requires
As a dev, yes. I absolutely adore JetBrains licensing model. By far the best middle between the 2 models. You can "buy" the yearly version, or keep going with next releases all the way. And each year they charge you less than the previous one too.
Bro we basically live in a dystopian society already look around every kid in the world waste hours a day watching tiktok me included. We work all day every week to not be able to afford basic living expenses.
Subscription model can be reasonable if the cost actually sits on the service side (e.g., cloud gaming, cloud services, online game services, etc.), but some subscription models are so ridiculous making you wonder why did it happen. The 'subscription' to enable seats heater functionality in car is the most stupid subscription model I ever heard.
@@nathanlamaireyeah agree, even tho subscriptions are annoying, with cloud services they are completely fair, but not with stuff you arleady own, thats like buying a pc, and having to pay monthly for storage that is arleady there
Subscriptions aren't entirely evil. Some services must rely on subscriptions due to ongoing costs, such as infrastructure maintenance or the infrastructure's electricity costs (like for an ISP), but on the other hand, you must also understand that there is almost NO investor or shareholder nowadays who's gonna start a conversation with you, unless your company has some sort of recurring revenue model.
Honestly, I appreciated this video. It may not have offered a solution or been a deep dive into anything specific, but I think it conveyed the emotions that a lot of us are feeling about this kinda thing and hopefully it opened a few eyes. I look around and see this happening with everything in life and it sucks.
It was talked about, endlessly, by many of us. And we used to open many, many eyes. But, for some weird reason, people who are willing to "pay forward for a service that might easily be revoked", are also the same people who have so much money they just throw it away. Enough to feed the plethora of companies who dwell in that.
I personally hated on Microsoft when they followed the footsteps of Adobe with their Office subscription. for many many reasons. one of which is computer literacy through programmes for elderly for example. how the FUNK am I going to explain what a monthly subscription for software is to them? or better yet - get them to use any of the modern days tools without resorting to piracy? yes I said it. these kinds of things also push people towards non genuine software for daily use.
@inkredebilchina9699 at least with Microsoft Office there are a good number of cheaper or free alternatives, which for many would be fine. There's going to be some who need particular features mind.
The way you covered the Adobe subscription vs one-time license issue well illustrates a core problem with SaaS in products that don't innately incur ongoing costs for the vendor. In a perfect world, Adobe would be facing meaningful competition from other vendors, but in the past, even if that wasn't the case, newer versions of the creative suite at least had to compete with the old versions. The subscription model in Adobe's case largely serves to kill off what little incentive they had to innovate, allowing Adobe to essentially sell the same software again and again to the same customers with no meaningful updates, if any at all. No, actually, it's worse than that. It's a disincentive. The SaaS model actually discourages them from innovating. Why invest in software development if you essentially have your customers held hostage, and have no competition? When that happens, further investment is actually counterproductive.
@@joebidenstan yeah, that's the biggest thing about Adobe CC- on an individual basis, there are single-program alternatives to most of Adobe's most popular programs, but the fact that they aren't actually *integrated* just kills the workflow, especially operations like LMG
I have paid for a lifetime subscription for Cyberlink's photodirector, because adobe is way too expensive, but I can clearly see that it's not as feature rich and certainly not as popular. There really is no real competition for adobe, and this sucks, the 10 euro a month pricetag on their photography products is way too much for me
I had a feeling that Nvidia had the Idea once to make DLSS a paid subscription, but got scared because of the team red would still make their FSR free and compatible on both GPU.
From the customers perspective, It's like buying a loaf of sliced bread, but they also give you a box, that contains 5 more slices, but you can only open it with the More Bread 4 U Pass. Also take into account, that the bread will eventually get moldy, so you have to open the box before that if you really want to eat it.
@@KleyguerthNo... you paid for 1 slice, you only paid for 5 if you bought the base and added the other 4 slices. Funny how BMW didn't double in price when they started doing the same to their vehicles... it's almost as if these add on features costs pennies for the producer, so they can justify a 5% loss in revenue knowing it opens up A LOT more possibility for revenue elsewhere. Why would I upgrade to a new CPU for a net of $800 when I can just pay say $500 to Intel to unlock more performance equivalent to what I would have spent $300 more on? Intel spends less in production and shipping, and I worry less about compatability and wasting money. It'll ALWAYS be cheaper to unlock features rather than decentralize them across multiple chips.
@@olotocoloI mean.. currently how it works is that if you're rich you just buy the whole damn loaf, but if you're poor as fuck but MIGHT get money in the future you buy 1 slice and then keep buying slices as you get the money. Or, for instance, you do a lot of gaming but sometimes do heavy rendering work... why spend so many thousands for a SECOND computer to render when you can just subscribe to use those same features? Since you, for instance, only use 10% of your computer time rendering something, it makes no sense to make that investment, especially if it's leading to a much better financial position where $12,000 USD isn't as disgusting as it sounds to normal people. There are plenty of benefits.
@@ryanthompson3737 If it cost pennies for the producer, why do they charge so much then? The point still stands: you already paid for the whole thing, it's locked purely for greed. If it costs pennies, it means I PAID FOR THE DAMN THING ALREADY.
The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money. Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles. But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that’d still be keeping his feet dry in ten years’ time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.
I had one of those CPU's back in the day. It took just a few min searching online and certain forms, to find a pirated / reverse engineered unlocker for them. As with anything that goes DRM or something behind a paywall. Hackers/pirates will find a way to crack it.
@@hicknopunk Because it's not free, you already paid for the physical item that is now in your possession, it should be entirely illegal to provide a physical item that has the capacity for more, unless the original item is properly substantiated regarding a lower price.
@@hicknopunkit isn’t free. Intel charged you for it already. They didn’t price it below their margin when you bought it in the hope that you would pay to unlock it. You essentially paid twice for the features.
The issue is that if those hackers may get payed by the corps and sign and NDA so they not release their exploits to the public and that's is something that some corps like Sony are doing with their "Bug Bounty program" and in the rare case the hackers refuse the money for altruistic reasons then they are gonna get DMCAed hard so is a very fucked situation to be in.The best solution is TO JUST STOP BUYING LOCKED DOWN HARDWARE.
@@Unknown-xm8llSo.... You were dropped on your head as a child huh? Because your reply made about as much sense as height increase surgery on a giraffe.
Linus that was a great idea about a monthly fee to keep your video card overclocked. I called my manager 30 minutes ago and he called his boss Jensen. Next series of RTX will have this great value added feature.
Sorry, concerning that I'm on Rossmann's side: You bought it, you OWN it. Same with Tesla. Plus the fun part being: The "illegal unlocker" is better off than the honest customer... wait what?
Yeah, the GM issue really worries me as an owner of a newer GM vehicle. We really do need to do something. I send about $5 a month to the right to repair group. If enough people do that hopefully we'll get some laws passed to stop this type of behavior.
After so many years watching LTT I finally understood it is written "segue", and not "segway", which I assumed all these years because of the company Segway. Thanks for whoever from the team did it, I just learned something new today
I always figured that segway had their brand name built from the word segue, but because you can't trademark actual words, they spelled it wrong... like flickr.
you can't copyright actual words but you can trademark them, which is how apple, target, shell, and intel are able to have actual words as their company names. @@TheEclecticDyslexic
If you don't want garbage, then don't buy garbage. It's gotten this bad because the consumer keeps paying for garbage, and i don't think they'll stop anytime soon.
What about buying films on Prime, Google, Apple etc? They have a distribution deal. If that deal doesn't get renewed you lose the film you bought. There have been examples of this in the past. If you want a guarantee you still have to buy the physical media.
I "purchased" "Elf" on sale a few years ago. I went to watch it in December, only to find it was locked out, and I'd have to pay to rent it to watch it during that time period. Never again.
A lot of car manufacturers do this, for example - I work for VW and a lot of their cars from ~2014 onwards have stuff like voice activation or Apple car play/mirror link plumbed in, but you need to buy the activation codes (and have a dealer activate it for you) for nearly £300.
@@Z3t487Theoretically, yes. But, practically no since it’s all in proprietary code and architecture. Someone would have to really want it and really focus all their resources to dig into just figuring out how to do it for a couple years worth of one brands cars. Especially if encryption controls are also used. Hardware is one thing. You can just hard wire the Tesla rear seat heaters to switched ground. Software in closed systems is much harder.
I can already see the more relaxed editing style, that came after your guys break, even if this means less videos the little side cuts and cool edits make it all the worth :)
Yep but at the end of the day, it's a corporation and all corporations have the same goal. Infinite growth. Give it a quarter and when numbers are down, back to the crunch.
@@Hathos9 they likely took some time to touch it up given the break time, considering they released a video a day the backlog couldn't have been that much
I'd be willing to guess that the idea for upgradeable CPU came from someone in the enterprise segment. As you touch on, from manufacturing it makes sense to have fewer configurations to produce (although this would be more relevant for entire systems than just a CPU). Having worked with IBM Power, this did have hardware features unlockable through licenses. You might buy a system with 4CPU, but actually the server you got could have up to 16 CPU in it. There were some benefits to customers. You sometimes got extra processing power for free because it wasn't always a hard CPU limit. If you suddenly had a huge need for processing power, you could just call a sales rep for a license code rather than wait for an engineer to go onsite to put another CPU in). If you only needed extra power for a short period of time, for example to assist server migration, you could get a license code (sometimes for free) which would be limited to a couple of months. If your CPU failed, the hypervisor would simply allocate another CPU for you with essentially no downtime. For servers, there is also a potential downside to having too many processors activated, because software licenses (from the manufacturer or third party software) are sometimes tied to the number of activated CPU cores/sockets. But yeah, for the consumer market this made no sense.
Honestly I'm genuinly scared of HP. I have a older one (2 yo) cheapest laser model and it requires nothing, good old printer, no wifi, no AI, no OS, no BS, and a local tech youtuber just described the nightmare and madness that he had with his new base model HP printer that required online account and stuff like that, how he returned it and the new one was just as impossible to activate, how he had to explain to his wife that he the big tech youtuber can't install a fkin printer after a 2 weeks strugle.
Not to mention how and where. Ripping your own movies may not technically be legal in the US, because of the DMCA, and we definitely need to repeal that stupid law, but everyone should be able to watch the movies they buy any way they want and without continuously paying for it.
"Is there any justification for locking hardware features that are physically present on a product you buy behind extra software unlock fees" I'll save you the video: no.
First video I've watched in a while. Definitely enjoy the calmer pace, clearer speech (giving me time to digest statements), and with a message I can absolutely stand behind! Well done; and I hope people will listen, because this is truly serious. I don't want this future. I doubt any regular schmoe does.
I have been arguing with my roommate about this exact issue, that if you BUY something it should be 100% yours and without worry of it stop working because of someone else's decision.
As an owner of multiple colorimeters over the years, I felt that part of the video pretty hard. Those annual periods of downtime for recertification can hurt.
There's also intel's "on demand" feature they released on their sapphire rapid xeon CPUs, which is basically paying a subscription to unlock certain CPU features
I think this is a common practice in the enterprise world, I have some servers from the sandy bridge era with RAID controller cards that need extra licenses for RAID 5 and 6 for example.
Intel could have gotten a lot of positive sentiment by just allowing the processors to be upgraded free through the software at the eol of the product..
The Quadros (and Radeon Pro) are an interesting one. On one hand, they use the same dies as gaming GPUs and validated drivers could be a software key… but on the other, they do change up the power targets, memory capacity, put PCIe power on the end rather than side, single slot options, SFF options, blower coolers, etc. Being weird, I’d like to be able to buy the Quadro design and not pay the validation tax, but I’m not sure my employer wants to buy RGB’ed out 3-slot gamer card then still pay the validation tax on top.
The second part of what ur saying is absolutely done because people want that. They know the big gaming cards will force workstation owners to pay the tax despite not needing it, that's the whole point.
@@jcfawerd Do you have a source on that? TechPowerUp says they’re the same Samsung 8nm GA106 as the RTX 3060. Either way I can’t wait until those inevitably suffer Quadro-level depreciation.
Good video. Adobe could do something like what Microsoft does with Office. Microsoft has Office 365 which is their subscription and always updated version but they also have periodic frozen feature releases that are a one time cost per PC. They get security updates but no new features.
Subscriptions are like legal streaming services nowadays: you should probably rent all 200 of them just to be pretty sure you find the movies/show you want to see in one of them.
@@Z3t487 I don't mind Subscriptions on products when I compare the pricing to a fixed price version (if they offer it). In the case of Microsoft I'll gladly fork over $70/yr for it because it becomes overall cheaper in the long term than if I forked over $300 for the fixed price version. The subscription comes with continuous updates, multiple installs/users (fixed version is 1PC), and an extra 1TB of storage on OneDrive (not on the fixed price one) so the value is much better there. It doesn't always work out that way though so it will vary from product to product. In many cases if a lifetime option is offered I'll take that to avoid the recurring cost if it is something that I'll be using for a long time especially if it comes with free upgrades along with it. P.S. - I hate what has happened with streaming subscriptions however my previous message was not related to those; Just with software subscriptions
Jetbrains subscription model is still the best in my book. When you stopped subscribing, your license still works for latest stable version that released during said subscription window. Make it easier to "pause" subscription once you're comfortable with workflow and features provided.
On the surface the idea of a subscription model for certain products is great. A theoretically cheaper product can be bought now and a year or two down the line, you can upgrade the performance or features for a fraction of the price of getting a new one, selling your old one, and swapping out the part. The only problem is that consumers arent in the companies best intrests and they have shown time and time again that they can just cancel projects or products without warning just because there is more money to be made elsewhere.
not to mention with some technical know-how, a lot of these things can be feasibly side-stepped, making these things meant to appeal to 'power users' end up being sidestepped by cheaper and more efficient processes
@@matrixfull I'm not quite that averse to subscriptions, but I am still searching for a photo editor or editors to equal Adobe Photoshop. Most of their other programs seem to have alternatives that surpass theirs, but not Photoshop.
Actually, the X299 raid USB key is a pretty relevant thing. For hardware as a service (?), it's actually already a thing. Like lots of older cars offline Satnav, after sometimes, it just become useless. But the thing is, company now is selling what supposed to be included in the service period, and sell you separately.
I think that disabling features that are already included in the hardware or software on first purchase shouldn't have any place. However, for things that never had the feature at all in the first place and never promised it would be added and don't absolutely need constant updates to maintain it's value (ex. not a smartphone-like device that really needs regular security updates all the time) those have an argument for asking for payment since it's a real value-add instead of a removal of an artificial lock. As for something like offline satnav maps for a car, if there was never the expectation that updates would be provided free with the unit and updated maps can be purchased later (since it's just new data that was not on the unit in the first place, making it more like buying a new paper map and they likely had to pay for the new app data), I can at least see an argument for that IF the manufacturer makes maps available for the majority of the car's lifespan. Not everyone needs the very latest map data in their older car's GPS (though if it had the same comprehensive business locations as Google Maps, then I'd say it's a different story.) I have no idea how other car makers compare, but I've been surprised that Honda still offers updated maps for their systems that use a DVD for map data, but then again, it was never meant to be much more than just street maps on those units. With all that said, it just goes to show how nuanced things really are regarding how long something should be available and why locking existing features behind paywalls is such a bad idea, so it should at least be possible for someone else to take over that responsibility of making updates/upgrades available if a company no longer wants to do so themselves. Why should they care what you want to do to a product they no longer care to update? At that point, let people do whatever they want with the features already in the product.
I brought an Intel DC P4600 'brand new' but had then discovered the product was already abandoned, no software, no firmware, no way to register it for warranty, was sold to another company to manage the product line (intel disowned it) and that new company had it as EOL even though retailers were still selling it.
I agree with the heated seats in Tesla, I mean if anything just raise the base price $100 and activate them in every single car. It would cover the price without issue but no they lock them down and charge $300+ for it. that way they can amke a bunch more once they hit that break even point
No, it doesn't make any sense. Raising the base price doesn't make any sense - they already afford to ship them in every car, so the feature's already paid off, pay $100 more for what? No, they could instead remove them and not install them when customers don't need them, producing less waste in the process - and yeah, they could lower the price as well then, for the base model, since it then lacks some features that are now present but software locked.
BMW tried to charge a subscription model for heated seats and they immediately backflipped after consumer backlash. It's interesting how Tesla owners who tend to be a younger demographic seem far more open to the idea?
Reminds me of the videos of mircotransactions and DLC when it was starting to come to PC. You see how well that worked. Enough people bought them to justify how many didn't buy the product that they both were seen as profitable now there is DLC for almost everything and thankfully most mircotransactions are only on mobile, EA and Ubisoft games.
Microtransactions are justified if the game is free to play and you don't want ads in your game. But the EA Battlefront II FIASCO is everything wrong with microtransactions, you paid for the game in the first place. Imagine buying music and using a subscription service to unlock the remaining parts of the music.
I'm not sure the model will work so well when transferred to hardware. The thing about DLC, is that lots of DLC has been cancelled after games didn't sell well. In this case, the manufacturers basically have to trust that their product is awesome enough that tons of people will buy it and then pay the subscription fee on top of that . . . otherwise they just sold more expensive silicone and got nothing back. Or, they sell the chips, and only a few users actually pay for the upgrade, which means leaning them hard enough to make a profit that the subscription upgrade is no longer cheaper than just buy a more expensive base chip. It's the same issue with a Tesla or BMW. The kind of people who will pay for those cars can also afford to tip 100 bucks at a nice dinner without thinking about it. They probably don't do the cost benefit analysis. And they trade up to a new expensive car every few years anyways.
DLC is such an ambiguous term. In the "good old days", games regularly got expansion packs. Extra content after release that you paid money for. And thus, the world was good. Nowadays, games (like Rimworld) have DLC. Extra content after release that you pay money for. And lo! A tragedy! Even though it's the same thing, just gone from CD releases to downloaded ones. DLC quality varies wildly (though to be fair, so did expansion pack quality), but the ones I would consider bad are the microtransactions, not all DLC's. Extra content after release that you paid for has been around for the past 20-30 years or so. Some of it was fine, like HOMM3 or WC3 expansions. Others are less fine, like sims 1 and 2. And to clarify, this is for software with extra stuff added after release. Day 1 DLC is garbage. Hardware DLC is garbage unless they can figure out how to physically change the device when performing it. I'd pay $200 to upgrade my 12th gen I9 to a 13th gen I9, but only if it wasn't just a software/hardware unlock.
God, I hate late stage capitalism. Owning things is awesome. I'd fucking build my own electric car with no features out of a junkyard electric motor and driver, powered by laptop batteries, before I'd ever pay a fucking subscription fee to drive my car. Looking at you, Tesla.
Linus. You really shouldn't be defending this. There is no justifiable reason for any of this. If companies like tesla find that including seat heaters in all cars streamlines making them and cuts down on costs. Big companies like tesla and intel can afford to eat the cost and hardly notice it.
I want numbers on whether there would be enough subscribers paying for the "performance boost" to subsidize higher cost of parts from everyone owning a 4090. Or does it all equal out due to lower manufacturing cost of making a one-size-fits-all card. What if everyone who bought this card collectively decided to NOT subscribe to "performance boost"? Would arbitrary graphics limits be placed within games to soft-force people to pay? Then there is the repair-ability question. Will advanced customers be able to repair these cards at home or will Nvidia lock up the internals. We have already seen hash rates reduced retroactively by Nvidia and customers still find ways around it.
Don't forget this kind of thing can stop second hand sales if you tie it to motherboards or other components too. 4090 is probably too halo a part and hard to manufacture, but 4070? 4080 tier? They're considering it ever gen I bet, backlash doesn't outweigh the benefits
if intel wanted an almost free positive publicity boost they could just make a general unlocking tool freely available. or maybe even open-source it so that any developer can fix issues with the tool.
7:49 omg i was thinking "2003" the whole time. XD can't believe 2010 was 13 years agoo XDD time go by SOOOOOOOO FASTTTTTTTTTT 11:42 LOOOOOOOOOL that segway
I expect them to upload 25+ videos per week in a few weeks again and at first with fewer flaws until they start to "relax" and fall back on old habits.
I believe that governments should regulate that something like software, or upgrading the power on your mercedes on a yearly basis should also come with an option to purchase that upgrade outright at a reasonable price (with a max calculation) like no more than 2.5 years of subscription cost to outright purchase upgrade, and if it is software, one off charges to upgrade to the latest version if you decide you need new features at a future point. or something like that, otherwise we will end up owning nothing.
"otherwise we will end up owning nothing." thats the entire point people who dont own anything also dont have any power, they are always reliant on gov and the big corpo that rents out the stuff i can see this in many eu countries with high taxes for example gov taxes you into oblivion so much that you cant even afford food and rent then the gov gives you back like 10% of the money they stole from you for these things so you can survive and this wins the gov the elections btw bcause people are so blind....
To be fair, I was watching this issue for so long and there doesn't seem to be any change in their practices, hopefully we don't end up in Tron because of the profit motivated corporations. Thanks again for a great video and good to see you back!😄
Tron? More like Revelations, when the globalized government bricks your access to your car credit card and everything you need to live unless you comply with them/mark of the beast.
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Nvidia: Pay your suscripcion DLSS 3 for you RTX 20.30 totally compatible. Intel: Pay for Unlock the ultimate 2 More P-Cores on Core Ultra Processors. AMD: Pay for Unlock The Protective Circuit that prevents our expo from Burning your Ryzen 7000 Series CPU.
DLCs for Computer Hardware sounds like a really terrible idea. I really don't want to know what companies like Nvidia would do, if they have the opportunity. Maybe Things like "Unlock CUDA Cores for only 250$!". It can work for Cars, if the company is transparent about the monthly costs and if they are not putting basic things like seat heating behind the paywall. I remember that BMW is locking seat heating behind a paywall, which is ridiculous for a +50.000$ car.
It makes no sense period. The hardware is already in the vehicle. Which means it's just psychological manipulation hoping that they'll make more money off of messing with people's ability to judge what they're paying for. It's literal rent seeking
It's not so ridicolous if you think about it: they know you have a good bank account if you can afford their cars, so ofc they are going to take advantage of you with this sub cancer shit.
If I ever bought a BMW with that feature, I would just cut the connections to the BMW controls and create a small head unit with a Raspberry Pi and the other required hardware to control it myself instead of paying BMW a single dime.
@@peperoni_pepino I legit never get the logic of >DLCs for computer software also sound like a terrible idea, yet companies like Paradox barely do anything else. DLC or expansions aren't a bad thing in theory. Sure we can object to the idea of work that was originally planned for a game getting cut at launch to be resold as dlc (day 1 dlc practices). We live in a time where games last longer for better or worse. In a day prior to dlc, you get 1 or 2 expansions then you the next game for full price. Look at Doom 1 and Doom 2, if those games were released today. People would be angry that the content in that was pretty small (you get 1 new weapon (super shotty), 3 truly new enemies that weren't just something just rehash a boss (hellknights are just normal enemy variants of barons of hell and Arachnotron are just the final boss of doom 1 rehashed) or just a new variant of thing (Heavy gunners are just tougher humans and Pain elemental are just cacodameons that spit lost souls) with 32 new levels (2 of them being secret levels) so even less levels than the first game (including its expansion) with 36 levels. We are mostly past the days of rehashed sequels being the first game +.
I'm absolutely sick and tired of the way things are going where everything is subscription based, need an account, or have to be on the grid to use applications.
This is why I will always pirate, advocate for and vehemently argue for piracy in cases of subscription software. I don't care if you want to charge me a bit more for a one off fee. I am not paying to rent software no matter how cheap it is, and I refuse to be restricted to online only access in many of these cases.
So glad to see regular videos again. As much as I didn’t like getting videos rushed out to the end consumer, it was definitely entertaining in additional to educational
Seems like you guys really turned the ship around and are now sailing in the correct shipping channel.. Great job and im looking forward to the increased value of you productions
I think payed updates are a solution to "Software as a service" where major updates that add loads of features and other things will be payed, but you still get to buy it once and if you don't want the new features, then you don't have to pay for the update. Adobe photoshop would be a prime example of this. You would still be able to buy it as a one time purchase, but if you want the new features then you can pay for them later. Kinda like DLC for a game.
While that works in theory, just look at some of the 'updates' in Win10/11: Changes for the sake of change with the always humorous 'injury while updating the days without injury sign'. And its inevitable you end up with a situation where the dev team needs to grow to maintain the increasing code base and the features need to change to justify the expense of having the devs. How are you going to sell a new calculator app that took 500 dev hours to 'develop'? A calculator was a solved problem 30 years ago. Just discontinue it and its a blind cash grab. "Security vulnerability" and your going to look incompetent. Soon your going to run out of useful things to develop.
I'd say it's different for something like a GPU, compared to a Tesla already having heated seats that are just disabled unless you pay more. Nvidia's Quadro cards (yes I know they've dropped the Quadro name now, but still) have been thoroughly tested and certified to work with ECC and to be ultra stable cards, an important thing for professional workstation use, however their gaming cards don't need to conform to the same standards (hence why the core and memory clocks are higher and can typically be overclocked).
There is absolutely no excuse for Tesla and Intel's behavior. At least with Nvidia's Quadro and AMD's Radeon Pro cards, they have more memory, different firmware and certifications. Tesla and Intel are charging you for what you already own. This is not them graciously allowing you to get more features, this is them holding back features you have until you cough up some dough. Linus, sometimes you go too far, but in the Tesla case you didn't go far enough. Call out Musk's terrible business practices.
Yeah, I got the idea that was trying to be put forward here, but the pro grade cards actually do have actual differences to them, and the certs are worth that additional cost.
Good video. Just one thing to note, the background in your main camera is really noisy. Idk if it’s green screen or something but just looks like there’s so many artefacts
5:02 - 1000% agree. Also, fuck nVidia for locking virtualisation sharing on consumer cards. I kind of agree with the idea of software upgradeability and subscription plans, but that's the kind of thing that should go along side the "buy once" model. There absolutely are people who would benefit from both models, and giving consumers choices is not only great for PR, but the business majors are winning out again. So, obviously, we need to give up on THEM and go with free and open source alternatives until they get the picture (or disappear).
Such practices should come with an attacked law that if they stop the service, they should have to roll out a patch that unlocks all features for free.
This is kinda how I feel about IP. I have no problem with long intellectual property licensing periods . . . so long as a company/owner is actively making use of the property and making it available.
The point of intellectual property is to protect the right to profit off of an idea in exchange for cultivating technology or culture. It costs money to preserve and curate and distribute
But once you stop doing all that, a reasonable length (not too long, not too short) timer needs to start ticking down before it all gets yeated into the public domain.
I feel like that's one of the better compromise positions regarding games/books/tv shows.
That's the dream... I hope we'll eventually come to that point...
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@@BustermachineI'm still trying to figure out exactly what my thoughts are regarding IP, but this definitely seems like a reasonable compromise to me.
no, the solution is just dont buy them. The best way to force a company is to just not buy their stuff
My main concern is the legality. I don't care about software unlocks as long as it's legal to unlock it yourself if you can figure out how.
My 1990s Volvo had heated seats installed at the factory, but they only put a switch on the dashboard if you paid for the feature. I bought it second hand, without heated seats. I went on ebay, bought the switch, connected it to the wires behind the dashboard, and had heated seats.
Not only was it legal, but my warranty was legally protected. If my engine died, they HAD to cover it under warranty unless they could PROVE me turning on the heated seats damaged the engine.
We NEED the same legal protections for tech that we have for cars. Intel wants to sell you a chip with disabled cores? Fine. But I bought that chip, and they can't do anything about it if I figure out how to enable those cores.
Back to cars. Imagine if you bought a car with 300 horsepower, but you modified it and got 500 horsepower.
Now imagine if the manufacturer tried to claim that you STOLE 200 horsepower from them. With a car, the manufacturer would be laughted out of the court. But technology, these arguments carry weight.
I have one word for you: DMCA.
In more words: 17 U.S.C. § 1201(a)(1) - No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work.
I know that technically "work" here means "copyrighted work", but corporations have been *effectively* using this measure to prevent consumer post-sale modification of products from printer ink cartridges through coffee machines to motorized farm equipment - the leap to cars isn't a huge one.
See, you're like those assholes when cars came out trying to muddy the waters to make it impossible to innovate by holding it to old, outdated standards that make no sense today. Yeah, that made sense in the past when it was a physical switch and it wasn't necessary to do all that work... now it's almost REQUIRED to centralize everything to get the cheapest and most efficient version of a product. Here's my thought... if I'm selling you a single purchase product, you abide by MY standards or you're cut off from accessing MY services I have to pay every single month for. Yeah sure, unlock all those cores... you'll NEVER get another security update for that CPU anymore though. Why the hell should I be forced to shell out money because you went and unlocked features you didn't pay for? I TOLD you what you paid for, all you're entitled to do is mess with the hardware you own, but I also have to right to never update your software because OOOPS, you unlocked features you didn't pay for. This is the new Era where companies are required to do this centralizing shit, so leaving them with 100% of the financial liability is crazy. You might as well demand a a billion dollars from Google, you'll have more luck with that. This isn't just a computer thing... if you did that to your car today, I fully expect for them to cut you off from their online services and ban you from using their company mechanics. Software update? Naw. Security update? Should have thought of that before trying to steal.
@@guss77DMCA is unconstitutional
This is exactly why that section of the DMCA mentioned by @guss77 needs to be blown out of existence ASAP!
@@guss77 DMCA was enacted by bribed lobbyist to protect corpo interest and end of history.
But like Jefferson said "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes a duty"
I think the biggest pain point with subscription services (for me at least) is that it’s not like a loan. You can pay months or years for a service, and when you stop, there is no tangible thing left. If I buy a license or an album, that’s mine for life. I can maintain a system to utilise it. But with subscriptions, often I’ll have paid many times more than the actual cost of the original product, to end up with nothing… it feels gross and predatory
What? That's not how reality works. So what, a product can only disappear if you subscribe to it? Let's play this game... you buy a Tesla for $100,000 and then the next day it gets raided for whatever crimes and the company goes bankrupt due to all the lawsuits.... your car won't fucking work. In fact, most modern vehicles will have a noticeable decrease in features than it did before. The problem is that we're moving into the age where you can't avoid going online without suggesting we shoot ourselves in the foot as a species and basically sulk in our own suicidal thoughts as the universe literally puts a pillow over our face and suffocate us. The other issue is that the car company doesn't have to fail... going back to Adobe, ALL their online services are hosted on either Amazon or Microsoft servers... what happens if those companies goes down? Those 2 companies collectively host 71% of the world's cloud storage content. When including all storage across the internet, those 2 companies account for 42.5% of ALL data storage on the internet. What do you think happens to all those single purchase products then? Do you own steam and have steam games? Nope.. you don't anymore because Steam has no servers to host it on.
IntelliJ has a system where if you pay a long enough subscription you maintain access to the old versions of their software
@@ryanthompson3737how conveniently you chose tesla as your car example, now choose a real car brand and you will see that their cars will do mostly fine
Yup, it really sucks. A thing I liked xbox gold(the forced online service) was that you monthly get 3 games to keep. It made the monthly payment a bit easier.
@@ryanthompson3737 yes that is definitely how reality works. You own absolutely NOTHING that you subscribe to. The moment the subscription ends, you're left with nothing.
you chose a toy car company as an example. every real car would work just fine without their company. and if you have an older car, the company could disappear and nothing would change.
I've been using pirated adobe products for years and I've never needed their online services. as long as my PC works, my adobe software will work, even if adobe dies.
if amazon or microsoft went bankrupt tomorrow it would not affect me in the slightest, since I use none of their services or cloud storage content.
steam games can be launched from their exe file in the steamlibrary folder even if steam servers are down.
I have a total of ZERO subscriptions. My SSDs and HDDs hold all of my programs, music, pictures, videos, etc. The only downloaded/paid things that wouldn't work on my PC without company servers are multiplayer games.
This is what I worry about with all of my IOT devices... So far it's only been Awair and Nest who have screwed me in this way. Awair shut off access to my perfectly functioning device 3 years after I bought it. We need to have a consumer protection clause that says if a company discontinues a service they must open source the service so that the user community can continue to support it.
That should be the norm, yeah.
We are still staying away from to much IOT in Industrial Automation..... Installing some cheap remote IO then finding out 1 year later when you goto get more that the company no longer exists is NOT what you want lol sadly alot more (newer) engineers are doing it to be competitive and get a foot in the door
I would say that generally any product on the market (software, media and even hardware) that hits the market needs a countdown. When it gets old enough or when it is pulled out of the market, all technical data and sources should be made available. It's perfectly reasonable for me. You've got the copyright protection for whatever you created, you have the monopoly to use your invention. You pay for this privilege by being obligated to share how you did it exactly when the time is up or when you decided not to provide it anymore. You stopped manufacturing old mobile phone or providing replacement parts? That's fine, just show us how to make it. You stopped working on certain application or service, that's fine. Just share it so that others can continue it. You don't want to sell a license for your movie? That's fine too, just share it for free. The only alternative would be no protection from piracy from the start. Basically the way patents work. You can keep it secret but it's not patented. You can patent that but then you shared details about your invention with others, they just can't use it.
D-Link did this too, they released a new app and just killed off the old together with old devices support
Matter if I understand it correctly will really help with home IoT devices. I think they don't rely on any particular company servers, just your local hub setting them up to use a particular server (e.g. Google Home's servers).
Here is the worst case - in Europe there was an electric bike company from the Netherlands: VanMoof. They went bankrupt, which would have made the bikes unusable because you couldn't access them without an app that needed their servers. They were saved at the last minute, but it's a good illustration of what's in store for us.
Jesus Christ, how do you access your bike, when your phone battery is dead?
@@TheRealDrazar That's the neat part. You don't.
@@TheRealDrazarwith a code on the bike. No problem.
That's not how the bike works lol
"Sorry your mom's airbag didn't deploy kid, she wasn't keeping up the subscription."
@@katiepersons6575 cyberpunk edgerunners lore
Car manufacturers locking features behind a subscription are earning such a negative image in my eyes that I will go well out of my way to avoid those brands. Hopefully others are reacting similarly and rewarding the manufacturers who don't.
@@jonvb2439 I believe OP is referring to things like heated seats and steering wheels, two examples that come standard on every car today, while BMW tried to force users to pay an annual subscription for it, and was greeted with customers who literally "jailbroke" their cars to unlock it.
@Djentlman But that never happened... heated seats are and have always been an add on feature, they just decided to cut costs by reducing the number and complexity of production lines by including ALL hardware into the vehicle. This OPENED UP the possibility to subscribing by the month instead of outright buying it, but it was more a bonus than an intended feature. For instance, you live in California where only 1-2 months of the year is cold enough for heated seats... why pay hundreds AND be forced to pay thousands more in a bundle package instead of each individual feature, and even pay by the usage instead? For those 2 months, you end up saving quite a bit over 5-7 years.
@@DjentlmanPoint is that people mistake what's IN the car for what they PAID for. It's like assuming you have a lifetime subscription to photoshop because it was pre-installed on your computer. You PAID for what you got, everything else was put in on BMWs dime in the hopes that it makes it easier and more inticing for people to pay more money instead of accepting what they have and upgrading when they get a new car.
Yup. I've run into a few. I would rather go without at all, then to cowtow to their bs.
I got a Google pixel 7 pro. First, best phone I've ever had.
I had a LG Stylo 4 until six months ago. I refuse to buy any Apple products specifically because of how horrible they are.
Exactly just don't buy them. Avoid the manufacturers and if you can't don't buy the post sale upgrades or subscriptions.
The word "dystopia" was certainly coming to my mind the whole time. Let's just remember this when corporations start turning our bionic limbs off because we forgot to pay the monthly suscription. Damn, Deus Ex and Cyberpunk are starting to look tame.
Getting shut down isn't the only issue and IMHO it's unlikely this will be a thing they'll be able to even legally implement. However, the more realistic issue is manufacturers dropping support for older parts and not offering replacements or spare parts. This already kinda happened to people who got bionic eye implants after the company making them discontinued work on the product.
There's also a movie called Repo Men. People can now get artifical organs, but if they can't afford them, these Repo Men would come and get them. It's totally fucked up
That's a real thing that's already happening. Look up Rita Leggett.
Isn’t it GREAT to realize our visions of a dystopian hellscape were underestimated?
@@wandregalbjornson1452came here to say this
I really really like the Jetbrains Fallback License model. It allows one to keep the latest release that got published while using an 1 year subscription even afterwards. That seems like a nice compromise for me between a company getting reoccurring payments for a product, therefore supporting the development. While also being able to just keep a version if there aren't any new features one requires
As a dev, yes. I absolutely adore JetBrains licensing model.
By far the best middle between the 2 models.
You can "buy" the yearly version, or keep going with next releases all the way.
And each year they charge you less than the previous one too.
The Tesla owners you mentioned in this video are exactly the kind of people that are helping create the dystopian future we're all afraid of.
"Streamlining production" is such bullshit as well lmao
@@iamaduckquackBecause if you buy a Tesla you pay for heated seats even if you are never going to use "heated seats subscription".
This scares me... deeply...
Bro we basically live in a dystopian society already look around every kid in the world waste hours a day watching tiktok me included. We work all day every week to not be able to afford basic living expenses.
Stop being a Baby. Nobody is afraid of it.
2:37 "Intel Gnice51" THAT was stealthy.
I like the "unlock functionality later". I HATE the subscription model that companies seem to default to these days.
Subscription model can be reasonable if the cost actually sits on the service side (e.g., cloud gaming, cloud services, online game services, etc.), but some subscription models are so ridiculous making you wonder why did it happen. The 'subscription' to enable seats heater functionality in car is the most stupid subscription model I ever heard.
@@nathanlamaireyeah agree, even tho subscriptions are annoying, with cloud services they are completely fair, but not with stuff you arleady own, thats like buying a pc, and having to pay monthly for storage that is arleady there
Subscriptions aren't entirely evil. Some services must rely on subscriptions due to ongoing costs, such as infrastructure maintenance or the infrastructure's electricity costs (like for an ISP), but on the other hand, you must also understand that there is almost NO investor or shareholder nowadays who's gonna start a conversation with you, unless your company has some sort of recurring revenue model.
yeah plus maybe some day people will be able to hack it and then you can have the heated rear seats for free:D
Vote with your wallet. If it doesn't seem right, don't buy
Honestly, I appreciated this video. It may not have offered a solution or been a deep dive into anything specific, but I think it conveyed the emotions that a lot of us are feeling about this kinda thing and hopefully it opened a few eyes. I look around and see this happening with everything in life and it sucks.
It was talked about, endlessly, by many of us. And we used to open many, many eyes. But, for some weird reason, people who are willing to "pay forward for a service that might easily be revoked", are also the same people who have so much money they just throw it away. Enough to feed the plethora of companies who dwell in that.
I personally hated on Microsoft when they followed the footsteps of Adobe with their Office subscription. for many many reasons. one of which is computer literacy through programmes for elderly for example. how the FUNK am I going to explain what a monthly subscription for software is to them? or better yet - get them to use any of the modern days tools without resorting to piracy? yes I said it. these kinds of things also push people towards non genuine software for daily use.
Sometimes what is needed is signal boosting. This issue has some commonality with right to repair as well.
@inkredebilchina9699 at least with Microsoft Office there are a good number of cheaper or free alternatives, which for many would be fine. There's going to be some who need particular features mind.
@@inkredebilchina9699 Don't forget, it's always morally right to pirate Adobe products
The way you covered the Adobe subscription vs one-time license issue well illustrates a core problem with SaaS in products that don't innately incur ongoing costs for the vendor. In a perfect world, Adobe would be facing meaningful competition from other vendors, but in the past, even if that wasn't the case, newer versions of the creative suite at least had to compete with the old versions. The subscription model in Adobe's case largely serves to kill off what little incentive they had to innovate, allowing Adobe to essentially sell the same software again and again to the same customers with no meaningful updates, if any at all.
No, actually, it's worse than that. It's a disincentive. The SaaS model actually discourages them from innovating. Why invest in software development if you essentially have your customers held hostage, and have no competition? When that happens, further investment is actually counterproductive.
Ohhh 😮 you r right on bro
Perfectly put. I made a comment with this point but you articulated infinitly better
@@joebidenstan yeah, that's the biggest thing about Adobe CC- on an individual basis, there are single-program alternatives to most of Adobe's most popular programs, but the fact that they aren't actually *integrated* just kills the workflow, especially operations like LMG
I have paid for a lifetime subscription for Cyberlink's photodirector, because adobe is way too expensive, but I can clearly see that it's not as feature rich and certainly not as popular. There really is no real competition for adobe, and this sucks, the 10 euro a month pricetag on their photography products is way too much for me
@@joebidenstanhopefully, affinity is great value.
I had a feeling that Nvidia had the Idea once to make DLSS a paid subscription, but got scared because of the team red would still make their FSR free and compatible on both GPU.
Bingo, bundle that with raytracing 😂
man STOP GIVING THEM IDEAS
@@oyunlar08they already know
@@oyunlar08 Too late, check starfield's mods
@@DA--LE ah, dammit
From the customers perspective, It's like buying a loaf of sliced bread, but they also give you a box, that contains 5 more slices, but you can only open it with the More Bread 4 U Pass.
Also take into account, that the bread will eventually get moldy, so you have to open the box before that if you really want to eat it.
And you paid the price of 4 loaves of slice bread for that deal
@@KleyguerthNo... you paid for 1 slice, you only paid for 5 if you bought the base and added the other 4 slices. Funny how BMW didn't double in price when they started doing the same to their vehicles... it's almost as if these add on features costs pennies for the producer, so they can justify a 5% loss in revenue knowing it opens up A LOT more possibility for revenue elsewhere. Why would I upgrade to a new CPU for a net of $800 when I can just pay say $500 to Intel to unlock more performance equivalent to what I would have spent $300 more on? Intel spends less in production and shipping, and I worry less about compatability and wasting money. It'll ALWAYS be cheaper to unlock features rather than decentralize them across multiple chips.
@@olotocoloI mean.. currently how it works is that if you're rich you just buy the whole damn loaf, but if you're poor as fuck but MIGHT get money in the future you buy 1 slice and then keep buying slices as you get the money. Or, for instance, you do a lot of gaming but sometimes do heavy rendering work... why spend so many thousands for a SECOND computer to render when you can just subscribe to use those same features? Since you, for instance, only use 10% of your computer time rendering something, it makes no sense to make that investment, especially if it's leading to a much better financial position where $12,000 USD isn't as disgusting as it sounds to normal people. There are plenty of benefits.
@@ryanthompson3737 If it cost pennies for the producer, why do they charge so much then? The point still stands: you already paid for the whole thing, it's locked purely for greed. If it costs pennies, it means I PAID FOR THE DAMN THING ALREADY.
The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money.
Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles.
But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that’d still be keeping his feet dry in ten years’ time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.
I had one of those CPU's back in the day. It took just a few min searching online and certain forms, to find a pirated / reverse engineered unlocker for them. As with anything that goes DRM or something behind a paywall. Hackers/pirates will find a way to crack it.
Exactly, free hardware. Why cry over free hardware like most people in the main comments!?
@@hicknopunknot everyone wants to pirate, we shouldn't have to. It's not "free" if it comes at the cost of others
@@hicknopunk Because it's not free, you already paid for the physical item that is now in your possession, it should be entirely illegal to provide a physical item that has the capacity for more, unless the original item is properly substantiated regarding a lower price.
@@hicknopunkit isn’t free. Intel charged you for it already. They didn’t price it below their margin when you bought it in the hope that you would pay to unlock it. You essentially paid twice for the features.
The issue is that if those hackers may get payed by the corps and sign and NDA so they not release their exploits to the public and that's is something that some corps like Sony are doing with their "Bug Bounty program" and in the rare case the hackers refuse the money for altruistic reasons then they are gonna get DMCAed hard so is a very fucked situation to be in.The best solution is TO JUST STOP BUYING LOCKED DOWN HARDWARE.
That hyper-enthusiastic "Delete me!" by Riley on 11:43 is now my phone notification sound. Thank you :)
Would be lit if scanning that barcode actually went to the sponsor 😂
Was thinking the same would be smart to add a qr code in videos to send user right to link
Naa that's too much even for you it's over and over they are a company and need money to run no mf is doing charity here common.. 🙄 😮💨
@@Unknown-xm8ll?? What are you smoking?
@@Unknown-xm8llSo.... You were dropped on your head as a child huh? Because your reply made about as much sense as height increase surgery on a giraffe.
@@TensentitiesTf you on about
Linus that was a great idea about a monthly fee to keep your video card overclocked. I called my manager 30 minutes ago and he called his boss Jensen. Next series of RTX will have this great value added feature.
😂sst
Crap
😭
it's called rage bait
@@iknowredstone1234thanks for the confirmation
Sorry, concerning that I'm on Rossmann's side: You bought it, you OWN it. Same with Tesla. Plus the fun part being: The "illegal unlocker" is better off than the honest customer... wait what?
Yeah, the GM issue really worries me as an owner of a newer GM vehicle. We really do need to do something. I send about $5 a month to the right to repair group. If enough people do that hopefully we'll get some laws passed to stop this type of behavior.
After so many years watching LTT I finally understood it is written "segue", and not "segway", which I assumed all these years because of the company Segway. Thanks for whoever from the team did it, I just learned something new today
I always figured that segway had their brand name built from the word segue, but because you can't trademark actual words, they spelled it wrong... like flickr.
@@TheEclecticDyslexic Apparently, that's where the name comes from. I'm not sure it's exactly because of trademark though (worked out for Apple).
@@TheEclecticDyslexic Unless you are manufacturing computers and phones, this allows you to sue fruit market.
Yeah "Apple" "Intel"... Definitely not words
you can't copyright actual words but you can trademark them, which is how apple, target, shell, and intel are able to have actual words as their company names. @@TheEclecticDyslexic
If you don't want garbage, then don't buy garbage.
It's gotten this bad because the consumer keeps paying for garbage, and i don't think they'll stop anytime soon.
What about buying films on Prime, Google, Apple etc? They have a distribution deal. If that deal doesn't get renewed you lose the film you bought. There have been examples of this in the past. If you want a guarantee you still have to buy the physical media.
We pay only for access rather right to own that.
@@CaptainScorpio24 Exactly, but I'm not sure how many people understand that when they buy a movie on these services.
Yo-ho
I "purchased" "Elf" on sale a few years ago. I went to watch it in December, only to find it was locked out, and I'd have to pay to rent it to watch it during that time period. Never again.
@@squrrll The best Christmas film EVER!
A lot of car manufacturers do this, for example - I work for VW and a lot of their cars from ~2014 onwards have stuff like voice activation or Apple car play/mirror link plumbed in, but you need to buy the activation codes (and have a dealer activate it for you) for nearly £300.
Can you hack the car and pay zero?
@@Z3t487Theoretically, yes. But, practically no since it’s all in proprietary code and architecture. Someone would have to really want it and really focus all their resources to dig into just figuring out how to do it for a couple years worth of one brands cars. Especially if encryption controls are also used.
Hardware is one thing. You can just hard wire the Tesla rear seat heaters to switched ground. Software in closed systems is much harder.
@@mzaiteis it really that hard to hack? I know a lot of ppl are hacking software in teslas
@@YuokoII It's more the amount of people trying to together and collabarating.
Anyone else noticing the slower and softer voice of Linus? That self-suspension really showing improvement in the new videos.
This footage was shot before the break, tbf
G-nice-51... Took me a second but had me laughing out loud quite literally. I'm glad things are coming back together for you and the team 👍👍👍
I paused and went back to confirm lolol😂
Wonder how many people are gonna catch that one.
@@KentsGardening I'm still not catching it even though you're telling me there is something to catch.
@@andoletube 2:37
Oh you small handful, I'm giggling with you.
I can already see the more relaxed editing style, that came after your guys break, even if this means less videos the little side cuts and cool edits make it all the worth :)
Yep but at the end of the day, it's a corporation and all corporations have the same goal. Infinite growth. Give it a quarter and when numbers are down, back to the crunch.
we shall see
This video was likely already edited before the break. They have a large backlog of unreleased videos now.
@@Hathos9 they likely took some time to touch it up given the break time, considering they released a video a day the backlog couldn't have been that much
I'd be willing to guess that the idea for upgradeable CPU came from someone in the enterprise segment. As you touch on, from manufacturing it makes sense to have fewer configurations to produce (although this would be more relevant for entire systems than just a CPU).
Having worked with IBM Power, this did have hardware features unlockable through licenses. You might buy a system with 4CPU, but actually the server you got could have up to 16 CPU in it. There were some benefits to customers. You sometimes got extra processing power for free because it wasn't always a hard CPU limit. If you suddenly had a huge need for processing power, you could just call a sales rep for a license code rather than wait for an engineer to go onsite to put another CPU in). If you only needed extra power for a short period of time, for example to assist server migration, you could get a license code (sometimes for free) which would be limited to a couple of months. If your CPU failed, the hypervisor would simply allocate another CPU for you with essentially no downtime.
For servers, there is also a potential downside to having too many processors activated, because software licenses (from the manufacturer or third party software) are sometimes tied to the number of activated CPU cores/sockets.
But yeah, for the consumer market this made no sense.
2:19 Too soon lmao
Could you imagine a world where your printer scanner stops working because you missed your ink subscription? Wait um, HP is already doing that
Honestly I'm genuinly scared of HP. I have a older one (2 yo) cheapest laser model and it requires nothing, good old printer, no wifi, no AI, no OS, no BS, and a local tech youtuber just described the nightmare and madness that he had with his new base model HP printer that required online account and stuff like that, how he returned it and the new one was just as impossible to activate, how he had to explain to his wife that he the big tech youtuber can't install a fkin printer after a 2 weeks strugle.
@@SpeedDaemon3 I personally have a brother laser jet, couldn't recommend it enough. Everyone should just stay away from HP printers like the plague.
2:22 guess the LTT team needs to be checked and certified against a known good, because we can't trust your results??
Meanwhile the companies: I’ll Own Everything and Be Sad
Louis Rossmann: You'll own everything and they'll be pissed!
This is the reason I buy blue rays rather than streaming subscriptions. I want to be able to watch that movie I like when I feel like it
Not to mention how and where. Ripping your own movies may not technically be legal in the US, because of the DMCA, and we definitely need to repeal that stupid law, but everyone should be able to watch the movies they buy any way they want and without continuously paying for it.
@@anon_y_mousse With streaming its a simple as them saying "well you only rented it" and they would be correct
@@LiveErrors True enough, but when you've got a physical disc, the license to view it should be irrevocable.
@@anon_y_mousse yes
"Is there any justification for locking hardware features that are physically present on a product you buy behind extra software unlock fees"
I'll save you the video: no.
@1:12 I wonder how many people you just taught how to spell segue. Not elitist, I think it's a confusing word, and awesome to learn.
I confused it with segway when I read your comment, you know? The hoverboard company that killed its ceo?
business practices like this push me more and more to being a hermit in a cabin in the woods.
Me to
*too
First video I've watched in a while.
Definitely enjoy the calmer pace, clearer speech (giving me time to digest statements), and with a message I can absolutely stand behind!
Well done; and I hope people will listen, because this is truly serious. I don't want this future. I doubt any regular schmoe does.
I have been arguing with my roommate about this exact issue, that if you BUY something it should be 100% yours and without worry of it stop working because of someone else's decision.
As an owner of multiple colorimeters over the years, I felt that part of the video pretty hard. Those annual periods of downtime for recertification can hurt.
That's just maintenance. Totally normal with all kinds of machinery and measuring equipment.
@@hw2508 oh, I know. It’s just rough when that’s part of your job, so you’re basically stuck for a week while your equipment is gone.
@@pollorojo Can't you lease one for that time? As long as it is scheduled maintenance.
This is the kind of content from LTT I've been missing for a while. Looking forward to more like this!
There's also intel's "on demand" feature they released on their sapphire rapid xeon CPUs, which is basically paying a subscription to unlock certain CPU features
I know people that prefer Alder Lake chips for servers than the dumpster fire Xeons.
I think this is a common practice in the enterprise world, I have some servers from the sandy bridge era with RAID controller cards that need extra licenses for RAID 5 and 6 for example.
@@donotatme Yeah, same for some IPMI stuff.
Intel could have gotten a lot of positive sentiment by just allowing the processors to be upgraded free through the software at the eol of the product..
2:30 don't worry, right now I don't trust the results regardless, ill give you about 6 months and see if I should or shouldn't yet.
The Quadros (and Radeon Pro) are an interesting one. On one hand, they use the same dies as gaming GPUs and validated drivers could be a software key… but on the other, they do change up the power targets, memory capacity, put PCIe power on the end rather than side, single slot options, SFF options, blower coolers, etc.
Being weird, I’d like to be able to buy the Quadro design and not pay the validation tax, but I’m not sure my employer wants to buy RGB’ed out 3-slot gamer card then still pay the validation tax on top.
The second part of what ur saying is absolutely done because people want that. They know the big gaming cards will force workstation owners to pay the tax despite not needing it, that's the whole point.
@@jcfawerd Do you have a source on that? TechPowerUp says they’re the same Samsung 8nm GA106 as the RTX 3060.
Either way I can’t wait until those inevitably suffer Quadro-level depreciation.
Good video. Adobe could do something like what Microsoft does with Office. Microsoft has Office 365 which is their subscription and always updated version but they also have periodic frozen feature releases that are a one time cost per PC. They get security updates but no new features.
Subscriptions are like legal streaming services nowadays: you should probably rent all 200 of them just to be pretty sure you find the movies/show you want to see in one of them.
@@Z3t487 I don't mind Subscriptions on products when I compare the pricing to a fixed price version (if they offer it). In the case of Microsoft I'll gladly fork over $70/yr for it because it becomes overall cheaper in the long term than if I forked over $300 for the fixed price version. The subscription comes with continuous updates, multiple installs/users (fixed version is 1PC), and an extra 1TB of storage on OneDrive (not on the fixed price one) so the value is much better there. It doesn't always work out that way though so it will vary from product to product. In many cases if a lifetime option is offered I'll take that to avoid the recurring cost if it is something that I'll be using for a long time especially if it comes with free upgrades along with it.
P.S. - I hate what has happened with streaming subscriptions however my previous message was not related to those; Just with software subscriptions
Jetbrains subscription model is still the best in my book. When you stopped subscribing, your license still works for latest stable version that released during said subscription window. Make it easier to "pause" subscription once you're comfortable with workflow and features provided.
Something tells me the sarcastic thumbnail/title isn't really landing with the potential audience.
On the surface the idea of a subscription model for certain products is great. A theoretically cheaper product can be bought now and a year or two down the line, you can upgrade the performance or features for a fraction of the price of getting a new one, selling your old one, and swapping out the part. The only problem is that consumers arent in the companies best intrests and they have shown time and time again that they can just cancel projects or products without warning just because there is more money to be made elsewhere.
not to mention with some technical know-how, a lot of these things can be feasibly side-stepped, making these things meant to appeal to 'power users' end up being sidestepped by cheaper and more efficient processes
That or they'll pull the option to just buy the whole thing for a one-time price, forcing you down the subscription path. (see: Adobe)
I'm so stoked to see all these entertaining fun LTT videos again!
I'm too for owning software/hardware without micro-transactions!
Yeah I'm allergic to ANY subscriptions. I rather not watch movie than have to pay subscription to Netflix.
@@matrixfull I'm not quite that averse to subscriptions, but I am still searching for a photo editor or editors to equal Adobe Photoshop. Most of their other programs seem to have alternatives that surpass theirs, but not Photoshop.
Remember one word
"money"
It beat morality 99 times for a corporate group
Actually, the X299 raid USB key is a pretty relevant thing. For hardware as a service (?), it's actually already a thing. Like lots of older cars offline Satnav, after sometimes, it just become useless.
But the thing is, company now is selling what supposed to be included in the service period, and sell you separately.
I think that disabling features that are already included in the hardware or software on first purchase shouldn't have any place. However, for things that never had the feature at all in the first place and never promised it would be added and don't absolutely need constant updates to maintain it's value (ex. not a smartphone-like device that really needs regular security updates all the time) those have an argument for asking for payment since it's a real value-add instead of a removal of an artificial lock. As for something like offline satnav maps for a car, if there was never the expectation that updates would be provided free with the unit and updated maps can be purchased later (since it's just new data that was not on the unit in the first place, making it more like buying a new paper map and they likely had to pay for the new app data), I can at least see an argument for that IF the manufacturer makes maps available for the majority of the car's lifespan. Not everyone needs the very latest map data in their older car's GPS (though if it had the same comprehensive business locations as Google Maps, then I'd say it's a different story.) I have no idea how other car makers compare, but I've been surprised that Honda still offers updated maps for their systems that use a DVD for map data, but then again, it was never meant to be much more than just street maps on those units.
With all that said, it just goes to show how nuanced things really are regarding how long something should be available and why locking existing features behind paywalls is such a bad idea, so it should at least be possible for someone else to take over that responsibility of making updates/upgrades available if a company no longer wants to do so themselves. Why should they care what you want to do to a product they no longer care to update? At that point, let people do whatever they want with the features already in the product.
Like my SatNav...
I bought it and live with its current maps..
When I want newer maps I pay for them...
I brought an Intel DC P4600 'brand new' but had then discovered the product was already abandoned, no software, no firmware, no way to register it for warranty, was sold to another company to manage the product line (intel disowned it) and that new company had it as EOL even though retailers were still selling it.
🎶Own nothing🎶
🎶Be happy🎶
🎶Cause every little thing🎶
🎶Gonna be expired🎶
I agree with the heated seats in Tesla, I mean if anything just raise the base price $100 and activate them in every single car. It would cover the price without issue but no they lock them down and charge $300+ for it. that way they can amke a bunch more once they hit that break even point
No, it doesn't make any sense. Raising the base price doesn't make any sense - they already afford to ship them in every car, so the feature's already paid off, pay $100 more for what? No, they could instead remove them and not install them when customers don't need them, producing less waste in the process - and yeah, they could lower the price as well then, for the base model, since it then lacks some features that are now present but software locked.
Y O U W I L L O W N N O T H I N G A N D B E H A P P Y
BMW tried to charge a subscription model for heated seats and they immediately backflipped after consumer backlash.
It's interesting how Tesla owners who tend to be a younger demographic seem far more open to the idea?
Reminds me of the videos of mircotransactions and DLC when it was starting to come to PC. You see how well that worked. Enough people bought them to justify how many didn't buy the product that they both were seen as profitable now there is DLC for almost everything and thankfully most mircotransactions are only on mobile, EA and Ubisoft games.
Microtransactions are justified if the game is free to play and you don't want ads in your game.
But the EA Battlefront II FIASCO is everything wrong with microtransactions, you paid for the game in the first place.
Imagine buying music and using a subscription service to unlock the remaining parts of the music.
I'm not sure the model will work so well when transferred to hardware. The thing about DLC, is that lots of DLC has been cancelled after games didn't sell well. In this case, the manufacturers basically have to trust that their product is awesome enough that tons of people will buy it and then pay the subscription fee on top of that . . . otherwise they just sold more expensive silicone and got nothing back.
Or, they sell the chips, and only a few users actually pay for the upgrade, which means leaning them hard enough to make a profit that the subscription upgrade is no longer cheaper than just buy a more expensive base chip.
It's the same issue with a Tesla or BMW. The kind of people who will pay for those cars can also afford to tip 100 bucks at a nice dinner without thinking about it. They probably don't do the cost benefit analysis. And they trade up to a new expensive car every few years anyways.
DLC is such an ambiguous term. In the "good old days", games regularly got expansion packs. Extra content after release that you paid money for. And thus, the world was good.
Nowadays, games (like Rimworld) have DLC. Extra content after release that you pay money for. And lo! A tragedy! Even though it's the same thing, just gone from CD releases to downloaded ones.
DLC quality varies wildly (though to be fair, so did expansion pack quality), but the ones I would consider bad are the microtransactions, not all DLC's. Extra content after release that you paid for has been around for the past 20-30 years or so. Some of it was fine, like HOMM3 or WC3 expansions. Others are less fine, like sims 1 and 2.
And to clarify, this is for software with extra stuff added after release. Day 1 DLC is garbage. Hardware DLC is garbage unless they can figure out how to physically change the device when performing it. I'd pay $200 to upgrade my 12th gen I9 to a 13th gen I9, but only if it wasn't just a software/hardware unlock.
Wonder if there are any cracks for the processor to unlock it?
Yeah their was a tesla exploit that gave you free dlc
God, I hate late stage capitalism. Owning things is awesome. I'd fucking build my own electric car with no features out of a junkyard electric motor and driver, powered by laptop batteries, before I'd ever pay a fucking subscription fee to drive my car. Looking at you, Tesla.
Hates capitalism but likes owning things 🤔
Theoretically, we could upgrade it using a modified version of coreboot and investigating how the program works.
2:26 cmon who kept that in the script? lol
2:20 We don't trust your results anyway, Linus.
Why are you here?
Bring back scrapyard wars pretty please.
Yes!
This is why I support pirated software.
😂😂
Linus. You really shouldn't be defending this. There is no justifiable reason for any of this. If companies like tesla find that including seat heaters in all cars streamlines making them and cuts down on costs. Big companies like tesla and intel can afford to eat the cost and hardly notice it.
Hugely important topic, I really worry about a pay monthly future. Thanks LTT
The WEF is proud of your title!
No. He is too honest for them to like it.
WEF = communist Juice, right guys?
imagine if devs optimize their games properly so we could just just quad cores and GTX 1060s
I want numbers on whether there would be enough subscribers paying for the "performance boost" to subsidize higher cost of parts from everyone owning a 4090. Or does it all equal out due to lower manufacturing cost of making a one-size-fits-all card. What if everyone who bought this card collectively decided to NOT subscribe to "performance boost"? Would arbitrary graphics limits be placed within games to soft-force people to pay? Then there is the repair-ability question. Will advanced customers be able to repair these cards at home or will Nvidia lock up the internals. We have already seen hash rates reduced retroactively by Nvidia and customers still find ways around it.
Don't forget this kind of thing can stop second hand sales if you tie it to motherboards or other components too.
4090 is probably too halo a part and hard to manufacture, but 4070? 4080 tier? They're considering it ever gen I bet, backlash doesn't outweigh the benefits
if intel wanted an almost free positive publicity boost they could just make a general unlocking tool freely available. or maybe even open-source it so that any developer can fix issues with the tool.
7:49 omg i was thinking "2003" the whole time. XD can't believe 2010 was 13 years agoo XDD time go by SOOOOOOOO FASTTTTTTTTTT
11:42 LOOOOOOOOOL that segway
I worry about the day when hardware unlocking becomes a subscription service…
I'm just so happy LTT is back to normal
Well they're back. Not sure if normal is exactly the term, but they're back.
I expect them to upload 25+ videos per week in a few weeks again and at first with fewer flaws until they start to "relax" and fall back on old habits.
This is the exact same thing as having heated seats installed in a car but having to pay a subscription to use them, this was NEVER a good idea
I believe that governments should regulate that something like software, or upgrading the power on your mercedes on a yearly basis should also come with an option to purchase that upgrade outright at a reasonable price (with a max calculation) like no more than 2.5 years of subscription cost to outright purchase upgrade, and if it is software, one off charges to upgrade to the latest version if you decide you need new features at a future point. or something like that, otherwise we will end up owning nothing.
"otherwise we will end up owning nothing."
thats the entire point
people who dont own anything also dont have any power, they are always reliant on gov and the big corpo that rents out the stuff
i can see this in many eu countries with high taxes for example
gov taxes you into oblivion so much that you cant even afford food and rent
then the gov gives you back like 10% of the money they stole from you for these things so you can survive and this wins the gov the elections btw bcause people are so blind....
To be fair, I was watching this issue for so long and there doesn't seem to be any change in their practices, hopefully we don't end up in Tron because of the profit motivated corporations. Thanks again for a great video and good to see you back!😄
I beg to differ... I would LOVE to be a program on the grid. Uh... not CLU 2s grid though. Kevin flyyn, and CLU 1s grid.
@@synthwavesoundscape1893 I would too but, there would be a monthly subscription for that or you would be cleared from the grid 😂
Tron? More like Revelations, when the globalized government bricks your access to your car credit card and everything you need to live unless you comply with them/mark of the beast.
Nvidia: Pay your suscripcion DLSS 3 for you RTX 20.30 totally compatible.
Intel: Pay for Unlock the ultimate 2 More P-Cores on Core Ultra Processors.
AMD: Pay for Unlock The Protective Circuit that prevents our expo from Burning your Ryzen 7000 Series CPU.
DLCs for Computer Hardware sounds like a really terrible idea. I really don't want to know what companies like Nvidia would do, if they have the opportunity. Maybe Things like "Unlock CUDA Cores for only 250$!".
It can work for Cars, if the company is transparent about the monthly costs and if they are not putting basic things like seat heating behind the paywall. I remember that BMW is locking seat heating behind a paywall, which is ridiculous for a +50.000$ car.
It makes no sense period. The hardware is already in the vehicle. Which means it's just psychological manipulation hoping that they'll make more money off of messing with people's ability to judge what they're paying for. It's literal rent seeking
It's not so ridicolous if you think about it: they know you have a good bank account if you can afford their cars, so ofc they are going to take advantage of you with this sub cancer shit.
If I ever bought a BMW with that feature, I would just cut the connections to the BMW controls and create a small head unit with a Raspberry Pi and the other required hardware to control it myself instead of paying BMW a single dime.
@@peperoni_pepino I legit never get the logic of
>DLCs for computer software also sound like a terrible idea, yet companies like Paradox barely do anything else.
DLC or expansions aren't a bad thing in theory. Sure we can object to the idea of work that was originally planned for a game getting cut at launch to be resold as dlc (day 1 dlc practices). We live in a time where games last longer for better or worse. In a day prior to dlc, you get 1 or 2 expansions then you the next game for full price. Look at Doom 1 and Doom 2, if those games were released today. People would be angry that the content in that was pretty small (you get 1 new weapon (super shotty), 3 truly new enemies that weren't just something just rehash a boss (hellknights are just normal enemy variants of barons of hell and Arachnotron are just the final boss of doom 1 rehashed) or just a new variant of thing (Heavy gunners are just tougher humans and Pain elemental are just cacodameons that spit lost souls) with 32 new levels (2 of them being secret levels) so even less levels than the first game (including its expansion) with 36 levels. We are mostly past the days of rehashed sequels being the first game +.
@@TheSpoonyCroyMaybe that's why me and my friends never played Doom 2 when we were young. Heh
I'm absolutely sick and tired of the way things are going where everything is subscription based, need an account, or have to be on the grid to use applications.
This is why I will always pirate, advocate for and vehemently argue for piracy in cases of subscription software.
I don't care if you want to charge me a bit more for a one off fee. I am not paying to rent software no matter how cheap it is, and I refuse to be restricted to online only access in many of these cases.
I really dig this, both the message and the title.
Keep it up
2:26
So glad to see regular videos again. As much as I didn’t like getting videos rushed out to the end consumer, it was definitely entertaining in additional to educational
I hear Stefan Etienne is looking for a tech job. You should hire him as an upgrade.
Editing on this video was really well done
Seems like you guys really turned the ship around and are now sailing in the correct shipping channel.. Great job and im looking forward to the increased value of you productions
Wouldnt be surprised if this was prerecorded and scheduled for the week we didnt get content, just delayed.
not to be rude but it could also be a video that they had in the pipeline already they do have video made weeks in advance
The car industry comes to mind...
Thankyou editor for the fantastic Avatar moment @ 0:56. I really appreciate that!
I think payed updates are a solution to "Software as a service" where major updates that add loads of features and other things will be payed, but you still get to buy it once and if you don't want the new features, then you don't have to pay for the update. Adobe photoshop would be a prime example of this. You would still be able to buy it as a one time purchase, but if you want the new features then you can pay for them later. Kinda like DLC for a game.
While that works in theory, just look at some of the 'updates' in Win10/11: Changes for the sake of change with the always humorous 'injury while updating the days without injury sign'. And its inevitable you end up with a situation where the dev team needs to grow to maintain the increasing code base and the features need to change to justify the expense of having the devs.
How are you going to sell a new calculator app that took 500 dev hours to 'develop'? A calculator was a solved problem 30 years ago. Just discontinue it and its a blind cash grab. "Security vulnerability" and your going to look incompetent.
Soon your going to run out of useful things to develop.
If I had a processor that does this, I would immediately be on Google looking for how to unlock it without paying money.
we ARE in the dystopia already. the fact nobody realizes is mind-boggling
I'd say it's different for something like a GPU, compared to a Tesla already having heated seats that are just disabled unless you pay more. Nvidia's Quadro cards (yes I know they've dropped the Quadro name now, but still) have been thoroughly tested and certified to work with ECC and to be ultra stable cards, an important thing for professional workstation use, however their gaming cards don't need to conform to the same standards (hence why the core and memory clocks are higher and can typically be overclocked).
There is absolutely no excuse for Tesla and Intel's behavior. At least with Nvidia's Quadro and AMD's Radeon Pro cards, they have more memory, different firmware and certifications. Tesla and Intel are charging you for what you already own. This is not them graciously allowing you to get more features, this is them holding back features you have until you cough up some dough. Linus, sometimes you go too far, but in the Tesla case you didn't go far enough. Call out Musk's terrible business practices.
Yeah, I got the idea that was trying to be put forward here, but the pro grade cards actually do have actual differences to them, and the certs are worth that additional cost.
I can live with this release schedule
Question is, if they could, without laying off some of their employees.
For NVIDIA having RT cores off and later enabling them with a code would be a great idea...
Or just never turn them on so I don't have to pay for a useless feature that murders performance.
@@G3rain1but with rt cores price would be normal and for rt cores it would cost extra
@@G3rain1but how will taiwanese man in leather jacket scam you if that's not the case?
@@G3rain1 you wanted to say game-changing feature that revolutionized the whole industry?
Agree RTX is so useless..couple a shadows and lighting effects, i never use them, even if i had a 4090 i would not use it, it sucks
Good video. Just one thing to note, the background in your main camera is really noisy. Idk if it’s green screen or something but just looks like there’s so many artefacts
LTT.. Linus i been a LONG time watcher of your channel and computers building is one of my passions and i just have to say ..welcome back ..
5:02 - 1000% agree. Also, fuck nVidia for locking virtualisation sharing on consumer cards.
I kind of agree with the idea of software upgradeability and subscription plans, but that's the kind of thing that should go along side the "buy once" model. There absolutely are people who would benefit from both models, and giving consumers choices is not only great for PR, but the business majors are winning out again. So, obviously, we need to give up on THEM and go with free and open source alternatives until they get the picture (or disappear).
You’ll own nothing and be happy - Klaus Schwab WEF founder
After almost 6 years watching you everyday felt wired for that many days not getting a new post from you . Happy you're back.