Rules Changes - Blood Bowl 2020
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2020
- Hey Everyone,
We all know that BB2020 is just round the corner, and thanks to the big leak, we’ve seen what appears to be the full rulebook.
We’ve had a lot of people ask if there’s a brief out there to let coaches know the highlights of the changes.
So if you’re getting to the tabletop again soon and haven’t caught up on the key changes - this quick video is for you!
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Its worth mentioning that the d16 for MVP ignores any players that ended up with a casualty, so they removed the worst part of that nonsense.
Great point Daniel! And thank goodness for that!!
When the Blood Bowl 3 game comes out I think I'll have a lot of fun just building up teams with random level up skills.
Haha Ray - I love that plan! 😂
Are these rule changes confirmed for BB3?
Now you can truly build and all Chaos Team.
Play Chaos, just randomly slap dash skills
Excellent summary of the rules changes. You're one of the few people I've watched who didn't speak at a million miles an hour, so I could understand everything you said and more importantly, take everything in. Thanks heaps for that!! :)
Hey Bruce! Thanks very much for watching :D I'm so glad you found it useful!!
Thanks for doing this, nice to get a vid with everything we know so far
Thanks Steve 😁🤞 hopefully it’ll be useful to some!
I asked this question in a Warhammer store today and the staff didn't know 🤦🏼♂️ so thanks for this!
Fantastic presentation. Well done dude, Subbed!
Good to see they sorted out the inducements/treasury issue. Gold will now be useful finally!
Timestamps :)
00:38 - Stat changes
03:12 - Kick off Table
04:29 - Casualty Table - D16!
05:45 - Jumping prone players
07:05 - Leap, Very long legs & Pogo
08:24 - Passing
10:05 - Wildly Inaccurate Pass
11:16 - Catching
11:47 - Passing Interference
13:41 - Intercept
14:23 - Skill Changes...
14:55 - Claw, Mighty Blow,
15:35 - Accurate, Cannoneer, Strong Arm
16:01 - Break Tackle
17:26 - Pro
17:31 - Shadowing, Tentacles
18:10 - Pre-Game Inducements, Prayers to Nuffle
19:45 - Fan Factor & winnings
21:35 - Post Game MVP - D16 +4spp!
22:15 - New SPPs - Deflection, TTM,
23:09 - New SPP Table
NB: Thanks Boneheads!
Thanks for the talk through of the changes, been out of the game a while but it seems like I should still recognise it 🤔. Wildly innacurate sounds like fun (applies to throw team mate too?) but will it make long passing too risky... if long bombs are at - 3, then 1=fumble, and 2-4=wildly innacurate, right? With 3/8 chance the ball goes backwards on the scatter?
Not gonna lie, when I read "Jumping Prone Players" my first thought was 'oh god they haven't made Piling On a general ability have they?'.
Hahaha, I think this ability will be more like piling your own player into the ground!!
I never got chance to download the leaked rulebook, damn having kids and going to bed early lol, cheers for this video tho, im super excited for these rules, hopefully they will be here OCT/NOV.
There was a leaked rule book? I've been looking for one online.
@@GretSeat it got deleted as soon as it came online and that was months ago, you'll have to buy it
Is there anything on Spiralling Expenses? I remember back in the day that there was a discussion about teams with a treasury over 100k. So any cash over 100k would be added to the team's TV, which I kinda liked.
However, Jervis at the time overruled that change. Is there anything similar to that happening for BB 2020?
Oh wow, I just checked Mango - and I can’t find anything like Spiralling Expenses anymore! There’s Expensive Mistakes; but that’s just for cash in the treasury.
That is interesting!!
It's still in LivingRulebook6, with a Bank instead. Check that out. BUT it's not the GW-rules.
Couldn't we just use a d20 for casualty rolls. Everyone has d20s lying around. D16? WHYYYYYYYYY?
😂😂😂
Just re roll results over 16.
@@matti8633 I'm not great with statistics, but I'm sure this doesn't work out to be 1/16 odds
@@glenndiddy It does.
Maneuverability - thats the key word describing the meta behind the new edition. Nerfing a pass overal is one thing, nerfing a leap/ breack tackle/ shadowing speak for it self. Don't forget nerfing a Claw, ST increase and ~Pilling On~, which does not longer exist. I think it's going to be a bunch of really slow paced games with a max 2-1 result.
Any idea why they nerfed passing? Most games are running focused already. Why make it even more prevalent?
@@03dashk64 Probably because Elf Bullshit became too big of a meme for them. Honestly what I'm gonna miss most is my hail-mary attempt to pick up and pass with my troll on the last turn. That's where we are really losing out in this version, no more troll/rogre/minotaur pass plays :(
@@03dashk64 Yes, I my opinion they should have made passing much easier not more difficult. Maybe two dice rolls for a pass like you've got on a two dice block? So you would only fail a 2+ throw at 1/36?
As far as the player improvements, the two primary skill columns are better (or equal for first chosen primary) to the old progression. The chosen secondary and stat columns are slower than the old until you get to the final improvement. Stacking six stat improvements costs less (172 SPP compared to 176) than six improvements in the old rules.
Great analysis Peter, thank you!!
So can I use a d6 and d8 to make a d16? For example if d6 1-3 take d8 value at face (1-8) but if it 4-6 add 8 to d8 (1-8 + 8 = 9-16). People talk about d16 having weight issues that create uneven results. Am I looking for equal 1/16 chance or was the dice weight considered?
Honestly I think the D8 would be just fine! Huzzah! I don’t need to find my D16s now 😂
Good call Nathan! Getting the D20 in to BB 😁
I think another interesting thing is that at the start of the game you randomly select Kicking team instead of the old roll off to see who gets to choose kicking or receiving team.
Amusingly it’s worded in almost exactly the same way as the CRP! Which I don’t think I (or anyone else has) ever read 😂 (“Flip the Blood Bowl coin or roll a D6 to see which coach will choose who will set up first. “)
I can actually see a lot of value in random advances for players like skinks that only naturally get agility.
Get your sure hands skink or two but then once you have them random advances like diving tackle, jump up, side step, sneaky git...none of them are bad but there isn't much that will substantially improve a skink, they have most of what they need in their first game. The random advances make them slightly better while keeping TV down.
I'd probably choose a couple to get sure hands/block and randomly advance the rest.
@10:35 you mentioned that 1 or less with modifiers is Wildly Inaccurate. I don't know if it is a mistake in the rules but it is only a modified 1 that is Wildly Inaccurate,
Interesting! I imagine that’s going to confuse a few people 🤔 great spot Thanatos!
@@BoneheadPodcast indeed, I suspect that it is an oversight rather than an intended rule like the Av Injury improving your armour!
E. G. Imperial Thrower (Pa3+) out of the box doing a long bomb (-3) looking at dice results of:
D6:(modified) Outcome
1: Fumble
2:(-1) Inaccurate
3:(0) Inaccurate
4:(1) Wildly Inaccurate
5:(2) Inaccurate
6:(3) Accurate
Which is bonkers!
Does jumping count as two spaces of movement? (I'm guessing it does) And only one Jump attempt allowed per move, right?
It does yeah (like Leap), aaaand yes indeed “once per activation”!
Ok, cool. I figured as much but good grief can you imagine the craziness otherwise! lol
Question; how does strip ball interact with safe pair of hands?
Hey Chris, it doesn't look like it combines! SPOH is only if a player is Knocked Down or Placed Prone!
Thanks for this Video, was really needed, i got my first match with the new rules in 5 Days, but my BB Box will arrive in 10 Days :D
But one SmartaXX Comment: The Passing Attribute isn't new, it's just re-included from the late 80s/early 90s Version of the game :D
Haha, Dirk - you are so right! I thought that when I saw "Mighty Blow +2" as well haha!!
But at east we're not rolling 2D6s for blocks!
Good luck in your game tomorrow!!
@@BoneheadPodcast thanks 😁
Very good content
Can a friendly player to the thrower attempt to interfere with a wildly inaccurate pass? If so does it still count as a turn over if caught?
Alas, the interference can only be made by “a single player on the opposing team”, but it’s not a turnover is a Wild Pass is caught by your own team! (At least it’s not on the Turnover list!)
Does anyone know if we still gain SPP from Injuries and TDs? I didn't see them listed and all the leaks have apparently been taken down.
We do indeed!!
CAS 2SPP
TD 3SPP
INT 2SPP
Deflection 1SPP
Landing a TTM on a superb throw 1SPP
MVP 4SPP
@@BoneheadPodcast Just noticed an entire video you did dedicated to my question. Apologies, and thank you for the quick & clear answer!
I have questions about the game.
I am trying to re-introduce myself after 10 years and also introduce new players to the game.
My questions are:
1) what are the best skills to know for beginners? Then we could expand from there
2) if I was to limit league to 8 races what would be a diverse but competitive selection. I was thinking humans, orcs, wood elves, dark elves, skaven, dwarves, lizardmen, undead - but no chaos or goblins 🤬
3) any suggestions for how to learn the rules or what to start learning about first
Any advice on channel is helpful
have they changed how dedicated fans are gained in the new edition?
Hey Mannfred, they have! If you win a game you roll 1D6, and if it’s higher than your DF: you get another 1. If you lose, roll 1D6: if it’s lower than your DF: you lose one! If it’s a draw - nothing changes!
Players should have to use their passing stat to intercept the ball. The better you are at throwing, the better you also are at throwing denials. That way throwers are important pieces to have on both offence and defence.
That’s quite an interesting thought! 🤔🤔
Any comments on Stalling? The rules seem to explain what has to be done for a player to 'stall' but then kinda drops off a cliff with no explanation of what penalty, if any, occurs for doing it.
Hey Dralasite - that's what we thought too! However, it's linked to a result on the Prayers to Nuffle table (#14 - Throw a Rock)!
Otherwise it isn't mentioned again - but I reckon it'll be brought it as a perma-rule in some Stadiums etc!
Good deal. I hadn't noticed that on the Nuffle table. Thanks for pointing that out.
Is there a build with JUST snotlings and no trolls? I am new to bloodbowl and just got the snotling team.
Oohhh brave 😁 try this build:
2 Pump Wagons 210
2 Flingas 60 (270)
2 Stilty 40 (310)
2 Hoppa 40 (350)
8 Snotling 120 (470)
4 Rerolls 280 (750)
250 Inducements.
Riotous Rookies 100
Bribe x3 150
@@BoneheadPodcast Thanks!
Judging by the amount of items in the Rat Ogres notes section, BB2020 will do nothing to fix it's bloated special rules
So you're telling me I only need to get 38 SPP AND roll agility twice to make my ogre become a beautiful elf? It looks like I have a new goal to achieve
That break tackle change is going to really kill my extremely mobile saurus build. Boohoo. We'll see if the new lizardmen player makes up for it
Is nat6 and nat1 still auto success or failure?
It is indeed!! Or at least I haven’t found an instance in the rules where that’s not the case!
Makes me laugh when people say 'passing is now a new state, when you mean it's reintroduced. 2nd ef bloodbowl had passing and coolness as stats. They were taken out for the 1996 version to simplify the rules
What happened to bretonnians?? I can’t see them mentioned anywhere?! I will cry if they are gone...
Hey ThirdPartyInterest, Bretonnians... aren't in the BB2020 rulebook as such! The Imperial Nobility
(th-cam.com/video/b1ghg0lkORg/w-d-xo.html) team has taken their spot in many ways; cheap linemen with Fend, Block/Catch blitzers... It's interesting, it's not Bretonnians, but it's close...
@@BoneheadPodcast im watching it now.... im kinda crushed as i loved the flavour of the brets and it felt so different to humans. also loved the greebo sculpts and am just about to order them... i hope they get rules... i just cant see it with the imperial nobels so similar... i guess i can always turn my greebo brets into humans =)
Absolutely! Or as Nobility! Buuuut Humans are a much better roster!
For reference fan factor ranges from 0 - 18, so 12 is not cheating.
Passing Stat felt and still feels like a cash grab to me. It reminds me of Strike From The Shadows for Raven Guard in Warhammer 40,000: one or two years later and they scrapped it. Maybe find rules you like, house rule things, and just have fun. The community kept Blood Bowl going.
Will these new rules be applied to Blood Bowl 2 game on Steam? (loving the digital version but it's terrible for finding the rules)
Hey Adam - nothing will be added to BB2, but BB3 is just around the corner!
One thing to note:
Try not to use a real d16. They are pretty badly weighted. We done a Testing session and 1-4 and 13-16 are the most common results you will get (or try a dice not from GW but who produces such a die)
When you have to roll one, use an online tool or an app
Wow, that’s a great shout thank you!! That’s disappointing!
@@BoneheadPodcast but bear in mind we only thrown the die like 500 times so it may not be as accurate as some would like
So can I use a d6 and d8 to make a d16? For example if d6 1-3 take d8 value at face (1-8) but if it 4-6 add 8 to d8 (1-8 + 8 = 9-16). People talk about d16 having weight issues that create uneven results. Am I looking for equal 1/16 chance or was the dice weight considered?
I roll a D8 and a D6. If the D6 is 1-3, the result is whatever the D8 says, if the D6 is 4-6 then add +8 to the D8
Ryan Griffiths LoL, I just wrote the same thing then saw your post. Knew I couldn’t have been the first to think of it!
Doesn't inaccurate only scatter once now?
Hey Loadatat! Scatter is now the term they use for “roll a d8 3 times and it lands there”!
@@BoneheadPodcast Ahh, you're a lot more thorough than the other youtube video I watched on this!
Haha we try to help!! 😁😁
0.40 - Passing is a new stat..... 30 years ago lol.
Surely there will be a 3rd reroll if you roll double 1
Ooh sorry 4 Seasons, I’m not sure what you mean??
If you roll a 1 you reroll it, if you roll another 1 you've had it. I am proposing a 3rd time lucky reroll, an elf reroll if you will
Hahaha the “Elf Reroll” - I love the naming, but it’s always there for the chance of failure! I’ve prayed to be saved by snake eyes maaaany times! 😅
@@BoneheadPodcast double 1 is my undoing. Good thing I am doing a Human and Chaos team for the new season!
Haha as a Skaven coach... I feel your pain! Ohh ramping up the difficulty for season 2 😁 Humans got very exciting!
makes no sense for it to say minus when its actually plus … if you need 3+ then plus three should be 6+
I really don't agree with what their doing to claw. Think about when and who you can use claw against:
AV7- Claw is literally worthless
AV8- Claw is mostly worthless. MB can already give a +1 to AV or Inj rolls but not both. That odds that you will actually need a +1 to both rolls is about 4%
AV9- Claw is just barely worth it. Because MB already gives a +1 to AV rolls, that odds that you will need +2 roll is 14%. You can add another 4% to capture those situations where a +1 to both rolls would have been useful. So Claw will be useful roughly 18% of hits against AV9 players.
So, in conclusion, claw will very rarely be useful and really not even that impactiful in those rare situations where it is useful
By comparison, MB is useful against all opponents and nearly doubles your chances of removing someone from the pitch against all opponents.
A better alternative:
Claw +1 to AV rolls
MB +1 to Injury rolls
This nerf would be far more fair to mutation oriented teams.
Rational Orc - I think someone posted that idea about Claw vs MB, and I agree! Would’ve kept both skills in the game together!
You have to remember that while 4%, 14% and 18% dont make much difference on singular rolls, it still makes a colossal difference over the course of multiple knockdowns in a turn and multiple turns/games/seasons, especially for the SPP ramping gains you could get on a clawPOMB beastman, who imo was the target of the nerf. The odds on clawPOMB before were just ridiculous. 45% to KO or CAS is what made ClawPOMB so busted, and im pretty sure that 45% doesnt factor in stuns, which can be just as bad as a KO if done at the right time. If you change PO or MB, you weaken everyone else in the process of weakening the problem, which is chaos teams getting clawPOMB on reg levelups, so you arent really fixing the core issue as much as if you just get rid of the stacking, which is a fine chage imo. It brings the other bashing teams a bit more in line with late chaos, while still allowing chaos to take claw if they want to gain the slight edge in armor heavy metas. claw nerf also makes the lvl 2 Minotaur less dangerous, which is probably good considering you can hypothetically rng hacks claw as early as 3 SPP. It's just too bad that nerfed claw also has some collateral damage to other mutation teams, but nerfing MB wouldve negatively affected many more teams than just nerfing Chaos and claw, and i genuinely dont think anyone serious takes PO without taking Claw and MB, so nerfing PO wouldnt do much to stop late chaos from wiping teams off the map. Honestly idek how you would nerf PO without fundamentally changing how the skill works
@@SuccimusPrime it's not that I don't think ClawPOMB was OP, it was, I just there's so many better solutions to the problem that what they went with.
Solution 1
Claw +1 to AV rolls
Solution 2
Claws +2 to all AV rolls. A player with claws can never take MB and vice versa.
Solution 3
Claws always breaks armor on a 7+. A player with claws can never take MB and vice versa.
The option they went with, where you can kinda combo claws with MB... but not really... and definitely not efficiently was the worst possible choice IMO. What will end up happening is hardly anyone will take claws. I would have preferred to have claws be a slightly better MB replacement for mutation teams than to have it nerfed so badly you can barely make use of it.
Claws in 2020 will be worthless against wood elves, very close to worthless against humans, and a small bonus against dwarves. a +1 bonus in 1/3 of your games is so not worth it, lol. I think people are fooling themselves into thinking that claws will still be good against AV 9+ when it definitely won't be. It's purely a heavy armor buster now.
and frankly, I don't think the game needs a heavy armor buster AT ALL. You almost never see people take +1 AV over +1 MV. That's in large part due to the fact claws makes AV upgrades unattractive, but also because 1 player with extra armor doesn't really make you more likely to win. Heavy AV teams are already held in check by their lack of speed and the fact even a single player removed their team makes their cagey playstyle much more difficult.
Poor beast of nurgle. :(
Hey Marley G! Yeah, Nurgle as a whole had a tough deal in BB2020, but the Beast (like the team) starts getting much better with some SPPs!!
@@BoneheadPodcast yeah that’s true. I was specifically talking about the tentacles skill being nerfed.
@@BoneheadPodcast thanks for the videos! They are awesome
I foresee some real comedy coming from wildly inaccurate throw team mates.
Bravo! And delivered with a normal voice, not some stupid fake overacted accent
Andrea Buratta Haha thanks Andrea!
Can you jump over the slave giant? :D
Haha, we will have to see when the giant returns to Blood Bowl 2020!! 😮🤞
Pre game treasury spending? Think I have just discovered first thing I don’t like...
Break tackle was nerfed hard...whatever. Mvp randomly? Feels like a step back.
Hey Petr!
Yeah I think we'll be ignoring the random MVP and sticking with the D3 (for our tabletop league anyway).
Break Tackle got better for weaker players, so I'm not sure it's working how they wanted it to!!
wow, and I thought covid was bad. Who's bright idea was it to nerf passing? Or to chop teams to 1350tv every 15 games, making all those new fluffy skills unused?
Oof yeah, Passing has definitely become just the Thrower's job! And I think a lot of leagues will change up the redrafting rules... but what happens in BB3 is anyone's guess!!
... the passing stat feels like so much bloat. Are they trying to reinvent the wheel into a square shape and call it round? Morons.
Break Tackle: Ehhhh... not a fan, but I can see why they did it.
Claw nerf: Awwww they're all crying, cry some more you weaklings. Grow some goddamn spines, holy shit!
Accurate/Cannoneer: Not a fan. No need to split passing like that.
SPP Point system: Not a fan. Seems a bit much for a "double" cost. Maybe 50% or 75% more instead of 100%.
Say Goodbye to Claws + MB beastmen and say Hello to Break Tackle + Two Head beastmen!
See you next year when the losers complain that beastmen need another nerf.