Great video! 3 and a half turns on the mixture screws is a bit extreme for a carburerated motorcycle. It will make it run mega rich. Set them about 2 turns and work from there 👍
Regarding the carbs, in addition to the jets and floats there are also fuel passageways in the carb bodies which many people overlook. They take care of fuelling at tickover and low revs, and if they are blocked you will have difficulty starting and rough running and low revs. A youtube channel Superbike Surgery has some very good carb videos. He uses a very effective chemical to clean carbs, which unfortunately is his trade secret!
If you're on a budget, you really need to be more careful. Buying a plug spanner from Halfords without knowng the size required, or whether you actually have one in your toolbox already is a waste of time and money. Second-hand petrol tanks are going for £60 on ebay, so £10 is only short-changing yourself. Also, if the header pipes aren't actually leaking, leave well alone, If you snap an exhaust stud you'll regret it and need to buy a replacemnt head, or get an engineer to remove the stud; all agravation you don't need.
Thank you for this comment, I don't plan to touch the header. I'm hoping to get this bike up and running, This tank will take a lot of work, that's why i got another, so i doubt anyone would want it, but id rather it be gone than hanging around.
It's always a good idea to check if the engine is within it's specs, fuel, compression, spark, timing, get basic tools and info to check, suddenly you are a good mechanic, new sparkplugs is a good thing 😊
your all over it now that bike will be your favourite after all this .good on you for having a go I have a gsxr 11oo n 1992 basically the same caused me a heap of head aches goes good now .have fun you've learnt a heap of new skills
Screw and lock nut valve clearances, free to do,, just take time and care. Don't knacker the seal like I did one time.... It might make a difference if it's off
I have had an almost identical bandit from new (98) , the only failure i have had was one plug cap , the rear spring sagged and one fork seal. It sounds like most of your problems are due to the failing tank liner, there chemicals available for stripping this out and they may be worth trying to totally remove it from your tank. It could be blocking any filters in the tank , the fuel tap and re blocking jets and passages in the carbs also needles and needle jets are known to wear quickly. Mine runs fine on iridium plugs and your down pipe lock original but have a piece of mild steel sticking out to join to the link pipe which can rust away, some people then spend a lot of money replacing them but if you take the down pipes and link pipe to an exhaust specialist they can weld on sort piece of stainless pipe to replace the rusted part
Hello i hope I can help,I have a 2004 cb600f and had similar problems your having,mine also was leaking from the carbs as the seals were 20 year old. I bought a new complete kit from amazon been leak free since,make sure to completely clean the channels the seal sit in as there will be remnants of the old one in there use something plastic to dig and scrape you don't want any scratches in there ,once clean used some grease in the channels then placed the seals Into place the grease helps them stay in place and expand so I'm told. I only run my bike on Shell E5 V power it's faultless and runs like a dream hope this helps good luck and never give up on her 👍
Get a db killer for the end of the exhaust. Needs one drill hole. If you can make a temp fuel supply. Place carbs on a flat surface. And connect it to the carbs, And leave them sit for a hour. And watch for leaks. Saves finding out when installed.
The tank breather is not a part of the tank itself. The vent is built into the petrol cap. The hole you pointed to is a drain for wayer which collects under the fuel cap mount as it is not sealed. To clear/check the breather you need to either suck from the key slot or blow through from the underside. Dont forget to che k that the fuel line hasn't kinked with the tank in situ.
Your replacement tank...rather than spraying the underside,give it a really nice clean up and buy a can of cavity wax spray and give the underside a really good spray with cavity wax. It will never trouble you again
@@newmotorcycleguy I'd clean it underside with wd40 and a rag,clean it all up nicely then apply a couple of coats of cavity spray. Actually reminds me,I need to do this to my own bikes
it was me that thought the fuel filter was in the wrong way round. I'm glad i was wrong. As someone else has said "superbike surgery" is well worth a watch for tips on carb cleaning, setup etc. Jim's really good at explaining stuff, even if he does waffle a bit.
The exhaust bolts that hold the front pipes into the cylinder head are renowned for seizing and snapping off when undone. Also the joint between the collector box and the silencer was mild steel rather than stainless. Probably a rarity having original front pipes nowadays.
Your doing well for a beginner, I personally would of put some thinners through the old tank and them split fire plugs seam ok to check hold against the head with HT lead on and turn engine over, look for a spark, I don't run my bandit with a fuel filter because they have a vacuum system and I don't want to mess with the pressure and what ever you have done to the carbs put back to how it was before you had the leak, also the tool kit that comes with the Bandit has a spark plug socket in it if it came with the bike
Hi i have just replaced my down pipes on my 1200 i only had to replace one bolt and had to Heli coil it now as good as new. Great stream mate well done keep them coming well done .👍👍👍
judging by the plugs it is running Very Rich too much fuel going into mixture.. you need to google for liquid Petrol tank liner.. you pour it in your empty tank slosh it around and pour it out and let it dry is RESEALS your tank and makes a good liner so no more will fall off...
Hi mate, you can change the plugs without taking the tank off. If you have the toolkit under the seat then there is the exact tool for it. Just slides in from the front.
@@newmotorcycleguy Small plug tube, slides in from the front of the engine, just follow the groove on the cylinder head cover and pop the screwdriver tool through. Fiddly on plugs 2 & 3 but quicker than taking the tank off. Hope you've solved the fuel leak and get out on it to check your acceleration. I bet it was main jets or fueling if your pipe was kinked. Although gravity fed they do need a good flow.
I had a bandit 2000 Reg stripped the cabs four times got it going fuel got in the sump clutch okay when cold when hot started slipping replace clutch all good keep going mate Clutch easy to fix I bought a set of plates from eBay😅
Not familiar with this model but is there a diagnostic mode you can access in the cluster? That might give some insight into what issues the bike has from it's ECU (it might be too old to have one i suppose) If it does be sure to reset the codes before diagnosing.
You say that your on a budget, you need to clean the tank by drying it out then putting clean stone's or small nuts and bolts then shaking the tank for a good fifteen mins and then take them out of the tank, swill it with petrol then you can put a tank sealant let it dry overnights then put it all back, you won't get anymore crap in your carbs. 👍🏍️
Yeah, iridium plugs are not great. Standard CR9EK are best. But then again I bought my iridiums off eBay so they might not have been genuine. I went back to standard cr9ek from Halfords. You are doing great. Learning all the time. Priceless.
Was going to say 16mm deep socket and small extension bar followed by using spark cap to take them out Ps those Denso sparks are the best spark plugs for them. Dont use iridiums! These engines done like them. Test your carbs for leaka by using an syringe or bottle with fuel and pipe to connect to carbs, let it fill and visual aspect for leaks. Your sparks being black and carbon build up suggest its running rich/not combusting the fuel (ignition) For fuel mixtures 2.5 half turns, trust me on that one! I run 38 pilot jets and have 3 turns out lol 😂 Mix screws as follows - screw - spring - washer - o ring. Clutch has adjustment screw on right hand side under a cap. Your fuel filter is the right way, theres a years old debate with folks on orientation but yours in the correct way. Be clever with pipe work for fuel filter and you should be okay, but bear in mind if you have dusty rust. The filter wont stop it from entering the carbs. What jets have you got in them ? Standard is 98 100 100 98 for mains and 35 for pilots Use the manual for specs and test your coils with multimeter and test your pick up coil (not hard to do, manual simplifies it for anyone to do) If in doubt, ebay £40 for a replacement set Not sure why you got the red pipes on the breather port of the carbs lol kind of pointless lol
I had iridium plugs in my bandit, and it ran fine. Did you check the float needles? The little rubber ends can wear & this cause leaks. Those plugs don't look right to me. Have you checked there suitable for your model of bandit, there's standards, cold & hot plugs. It's differently running rich, a blocked air filter, overflowing carbs, wrong plugs, failing coils? The green spark company is a good place to find motorcycle spark plugs. You buy tank sealant kits, and the more expensive kits come with a flush to rinse the tank, a neutraliser & a coating to seal the tank. Did you leave the fuel tap on prime ?
At 3mins 43 on your video it looks like lead 4 (white sticker) is on spark plug 1. They go 1-4 left to right as you sit on the bike. The left coil does plug 4 & 1. The right coil does 2 & 3.
I have the 2002 bandit, other than styling and some other changes like 17inch wheels think it’s predominantly the same. Those headers look like mine and mine are standard, I needed to have the collector box welded many years back as it uses lower grade stainless than the headers. Other than that it’s a great bike and I will never get rid of it. In fact going to work on it tomorrow. Good luck with fixing yours up.
I general use a socket on a short extension and flex head on the ratchet. If your anywhere near Leeds, I'd be happy to have a ride over with a carbtune balancer if you want to give that ago. Probably cost you a brew though 😄
Thanks, I am in Leeds. my email is nmcgpost@gmail.com its more of an electrical issue i have at the moment, if you have any experience in that area? I'm not certain the carbs needs balancing?
The header bolts on the Bandit are a total motherfker to get out and commonly snap off. I soaked mine, heated them, froze them, shocked them etc and one still broke off. The other 7 were VERY tight.
Well done on your work on this Bandit. I'm sure it be right on the next video. You did put the O ring right on that one? I'm sure you did, just hope it just that seal. maybe get a new one, as you don't know how long they have been on there. Well done bud. looking forward to your next video.
HAHA I know! There is so much to learn and remember! but went back and referenced and got it right, thank you. I'm finding I'm double checking everything, and need the evidence to support what I did!
He'll Pete, I do hope you are enjoying tinkering and/or making some money from TH-cam because that Bandit has turned into a right ball ache. I'm starting to think your initial comment was correct, you have been sold a pig but you don't have much choice other than push on now. I really hope you get in sorted and can get some pleasure out of it
well I'm enjoying the learning, and i literally make pennies from youtube, i just enjoying sharing it, and if i can do it, anyone can! Its definitely a pig, but like you say i have no choice!
It's sounding good and you've done a great job for a first time mechanic Pete. You should be rightly proud.🙂👍
I'd agree 👍🏻
@@kevindarkstar 🙂
Thanks, its been fun so far if a little frustrating at times. lol
100%. Having a damn good go mate.
@@newmotorcycleguy At least, when you've got it running correctly, you can ride the bike with confidence that it won't break down on you Pete. 😃👍
Keep it up !! You are almost sorted. Great work and well done for not losing the plot yet.
Thank you!
Great video! 3 and a half turns on the mixture screws is a bit extreme for a carburerated motorcycle. It will make it run mega rich. Set them about 2 turns and work from there 👍
Yea, I discovered this! lol and thank you.
Regarding the carbs, in addition to the jets and floats there are also fuel passageways in the carb bodies which many people overlook. They take care of fuelling at tickover and low revs, and if they are blocked you will have difficulty starting and rough running and low revs. A youtube channel Superbike Surgery has some very good carb videos. He uses a very effective chemical to clean carbs, which unfortunately is his trade secret!
thank you for this ill have a look.
If you're on a budget, you really need to be more careful. Buying a plug spanner from Halfords without knowng the size required, or whether you actually have one in your toolbox already is a waste of time and money. Second-hand petrol tanks are going for £60 on ebay, so £10 is only short-changing yourself. Also, if the header pipes aren't actually leaking, leave well alone, If you snap an exhaust stud you'll regret it and need to buy a replacemnt head, or get an engineer to remove the stud; all agravation you don't need.
Thank you for this comment, I don't plan to touch the header. I'm hoping to get this bike up and running, This tank will take a lot of work, that's why i got another, so i doubt anyone would want it, but id rather it be gone than hanging around.
It's always a good idea to check if the engine is within it's specs, fuel, compression, spark, timing, get basic tools and info to check, suddenly you are a good mechanic, new sparkplugs is a good thing 😊
Thank you, ill do this!
your all over it now that bike will be your favourite after all this .good on you for having a go I have a gsxr 11oo n 1992 basically the same caused me a heap of head aches goes good now .have fun you've learnt a heap of new skills
Thanks, Im going to tackle taking the back wheel out, greasing up, and cleaning and checking the chain today!
Screw and lock nut valve clearances, free to do,, just take time and care. Don't knacker the seal like I did one time.... It might make a difference if it's off
Thank you.
I have had an almost identical bandit from new (98) , the only failure i have had was one plug cap , the rear spring sagged and one fork seal. It sounds like most of your problems are due to the failing tank liner, there chemicals available for stripping this out and they may be worth trying to totally remove it from your tank. It could be blocking any filters in the tank , the fuel tap and re blocking jets and passages in the carbs also needles and needle jets are known to wear quickly. Mine runs fine on iridium plugs and your down pipe lock original but have a piece of mild steel sticking out to join to the link pipe which can rust away, some people then spend a lot of money replacing them but if you take the down pipes and link pipe to an exhaust specialist they can weld on sort piece of stainless pipe to replace the rusted part
Thank you for this, great information.
Hello i hope I can help,I have a 2004 cb600f and had similar problems your having,mine also was leaking from the carbs as the seals were 20 year old. I bought a new complete kit from amazon been leak free since,make sure to completely clean the channels the seal sit in as there will be remnants of the old one in there use something plastic to dig and scrape you don't want any scratches in there ,once clean used some grease in the channels then placed the seals Into place the grease helps them stay in place and expand so I'm told.
I only run my bike on Shell E5 V power it's faultless and runs like a dream hope this helps good luck and never give up on her 👍
thanks for the comment, and great advice!
The thing is with a Bandit and the spark plug socket. You need to get a thin walled spark plug socket. otherwise it won't go down the hole.
who knew they weren't easy!
Iridium plugs work just fine with Bandit's. It seems to be schtick with older fellas saying irdium plugs don't work with X older model motorcycle.
Thank you for this, i havent changed them as yet, but i feel those type are necessarily expensive, the bike starts with normal one just fine! lol
Get a db killer for the end of the exhaust. Needs one drill hole. If you can make a temp fuel supply. Place carbs on a flat surface. And connect it to the carbs, And leave them sit for a hour. And watch for leaks. Saves finding out when installed.
Thanks, Ill do this in future, the exhaust already has a db killer in it
Not sure if it has been said before but you need to make sure the carb heaters are functioning.
I know two of them are missing but i will replace them.
The tank breather is not a part of the tank itself. The vent is built into the petrol cap. The hole you pointed to is a drain for wayer which collects under the fuel cap mount as it is not sealed. To clear/check the breather you need to either suck from the key slot or blow through from the underside. Dont forget to che k that the fuel line hasn't kinked with the tank in situ.
Great stuff, thnk you
Your replacement tank...rather than spraying the underside,give it a really nice clean up and buy a can of cavity wax spray and give the underside a really good spray with cavity wax. It will never trouble you again
Thank you for this, ive heard of this product so ill look at getting some.
@@newmotorcycleguy I'd clean it underside with wd40 and a rag,clean it all up nicely then apply a couple of coats of cavity spray. Actually reminds me,I need to do this to my own bikes
Original exhaust headers have a horizontal pipe connector on the inside two pipes
Thank you
it was me that thought the fuel filter was in the wrong way round. I'm glad i was wrong.
As someone else has said "superbike surgery" is well worth a watch for tips on carb cleaning, setup etc. Jim's really good at explaining stuff, even if he does waffle a bit.
Ill have to watch this!
The exhaust bolts that hold the front pipes into the cylinder head are renowned for seizing and snapping off when undone. Also the joint between the collector box and the silencer was mild steel rather than stainless. Probably a rarity having original front pipes nowadays.
Thank you for this comment.
You say that, i still got the originals in a scrap pile, his downpipes are original but the end can is aftermarket 😊
My original downpipes are scrapped too. Rotten collector joint
I've really been enjoying this series...brilliant to watch. Are you doing another video soon? I'm dying to watch the latest update.
Yes, it'll be on later. This bike is a can of worms! there's lots to do and learn!
and thank you!
Your doing well for a beginner, I personally would of put some thinners through the old tank and them split fire plugs seam ok to check hold against the head with HT lead on and turn engine over, look for a spark, I don't run my bandit with a fuel filter because they have a vacuum system and I don't want to mess with the pressure and what ever you have done to the carbs put back to how it was before you had the leak, also the tool kit that comes with the Bandit has a spark plug socket in it if it came with the bike
ok, great thank you, it came with one but not sure if that is in, but i will look.
Hi i have just replaced my down pipes on my 1200 i only had to replace one bolt and had to Heli coil it now as good as new. Great stream mate well done keep them coming well done .👍👍👍
Thank you for this.
Doing a great job mate, keep it up ...
Thanks, will do!
judging by the plugs it is running Very Rich too much fuel going into mixture.. you need to google for liquid Petrol tank liner.. you pour it in your empty tank slosh it around and pour it out and let it dry is RESEALS your tank and makes a good liner so no more will fall off...
Thank you for this.
Hi mate, you can change the plugs without taking the tank off. If you have the toolkit under the seat then there is the exact tool for it. Just slides in from the front.
I do! Ill look at this thank you
@@newmotorcycleguy
Small plug tube, slides in from the front of the engine, just follow the groove on the cylinder head cover and pop the screwdriver tool through. Fiddly on plugs 2 & 3 but quicker than taking the tank off.
Hope you've solved the fuel leak and get out on it to check your acceleration. I bet it was main jets or fueling if your pipe was kinked. Although gravity fed they do need a good flow.
I had a bandit 2000 Reg stripped the cabs four times got it going fuel got in the sump clutch okay when cold when hot started slipping replace clutch all good keep going mate Clutch easy to fix I bought a set of plates from eBay😅
ok, great thank you!
Not familiar with this model but is there a diagnostic mode you can access in the cluster? That might give some insight into what issues the bike has from it's ECU (it might be too old to have one i suppose) If it does be sure to reset the codes before diagnosing.
This bike is way too old for anything like this. It amazing me how far behind bikes were with technology during this time!
You say that your on a budget, you need to clean the tank by drying it out then putting clean stone's or small nuts and bolts then shaking the tank for a good fifteen mins and then take them out of the tank, swill it with petrol then you can put a tank sealant let it dry overnights then put it all back, you won't get anymore crap in your carbs. 👍🏍️
The problem with this tank is that its already been sealed for some reason, now that lining is falling apart inside the tanks.
I've had a few bandits, make sure the carb heaters are working 👍
Thanks for the tip!
Yeah, iridium plugs are not great. Standard CR9EK are best.
But then again I bought my iridiums off eBay so they might not have been genuine. I went back to standard cr9ek from Halfords.
You are doing great. Learning all the time. Priceless.
thank you, ill get some soon.
bought my 2005 650s a grand silly pipe like yours will fit a new system the Iridium plugs i put in improved things
Thank you for this comment.
Well done, I like the methodical approach your using.
Ps: that exhaust doesn't even sound loud in your garage.
Thanks, trust me the exhaust is mental loud!! lol
Was going to say 16mm deep socket and small extension bar followed by using spark cap to take them out
Ps those Denso sparks are the best spark plugs for them.
Dont use iridiums! These engines done like them.
Test your carbs for leaka by using an syringe or bottle with fuel and pipe to connect to carbs, let it fill and visual aspect for leaks.
Your sparks being black and carbon build up suggest its running rich/not combusting the fuel (ignition)
For fuel mixtures 2.5 half turns, trust me on that one! I run 38 pilot jets and have 3 turns out lol 😂
Mix screws as follows - screw - spring - washer - o ring.
Clutch has adjustment screw on right hand side under a cap.
Your fuel filter is the right way, theres a years old debate with folks on orientation but yours in the correct way.
Be clever with pipe work for fuel filter and you should be okay, but bear in mind if you have dusty rust. The filter wont stop it from entering the carbs.
What jets have you got in them ? Standard is 98 100 100 98 for mains and 35 for pilots
Use the manual for specs and test your coils with multimeter and test your pick up coil (not hard to do, manual simplifies it for anyone to do)
If in doubt, ebay £40 for a replacement set
Not sure why you got the red pipes on the breather port of the carbs lol kind of pointless lol
Ps i type as i watch lol
Ive used denso iridium plugs for years in my bandit.
Thank you, good to know
That bolt looks like somebody has stripped it out and tapped it a bigger size.
Ahh good idea, wouldn't surprise me with this bike, but ill leave it alone for now.
I had iridium plugs in my bandit, and it ran fine. Did you check the float needles? The little rubber ends can wear & this cause leaks. Those plugs don't look right to me. Have you checked there suitable for your model of bandit, there's standards, cold & hot plugs. It's differently running rich, a blocked air filter, overflowing carbs, wrong plugs, failing coils? The green spark company is a good place to find motorcycle spark plugs. You buy tank sealant kits, and the more expensive kits come with a flush to rinse the tank, a neutraliser & a coating to seal the tank. Did you leave the fuel tap on prime ?
Thanks for this, no the taps wasn't on prime, I'm certain it a bowl seal leaking.
At 3mins 43 on your video it looks like lead 4 (white sticker) is on spark plug 1. They go 1-4 left to right as you sit on the bike. The left coil does plug 4 & 1. The right coil does 2 & 3.
Yea i didn't know this, its just how i labelled them so i have some kind of mark to follow.
Have a fire extinguisher handy when dealing with petrol leaks.
Noted!
I have the 2002 bandit, other than styling and some other changes like 17inch wheels think it’s predominantly the same. Those headers look like mine and mine are standard, I needed to have the collector box welded many years back as it uses lower grade stainless than the headers. Other than that it’s a great bike and I will never get rid of it. In fact going to work on it tomorrow. Good luck with fixing yours up.
Thanks, I'm hoping to use mine for work soon too!!
I general use a socket on a short extension and flex head on the ratchet.
If your anywhere near Leeds, I'd be happy to have a ride over with a carbtune balancer if you want to give that ago. Probably cost you a brew though 😄
That is to get into the sparkplugs.
Thanks, I am in Leeds. my email is nmcgpost@gmail.com its more of an electrical issue i have at the moment, if you have any experience in that area? I'm not certain the carbs needs balancing?
@newmotorcycleguy aye I've some, as had the odd gremlin when I first got my bandit. I'll chuck you an email 👍
The header bolts on the Bandit are a total motherfker to get out and commonly snap off. I soaked mine, heated them, froze them, shocked them etc and one still broke off. The other 7 were VERY tight.
I'll leave these well alone! im not messing for the sake of it!
Well done on your work on this Bandit. I'm sure it be right on the next video. You did put the O ring right on that one? I'm sure you did, just hope it just that seal. maybe get a new one, as you don't know how long they have been on there. Well done bud. looking forward to your next video.
Thanks 👍
Hav you tried doing a compression test whilst the plugs are out Pete ?
no, but i have no tool to do this, i think it may need doing though.
In answer to your question, yes, they look like original header pipes 👍
thank you
Sounds like you are almost their, Keep chipping away, The ole girl will be sorted in the end!
Haha yea I'm certain I'm not far off now!
the lomg spark plud socket cut it down and drill new hole.
Thank you.
Have your bars been cut short one side cause your throttle tube looks that been chopped off to suit the bars your grips should be the same length
Yea, the guy must have changed the bars, and made a mistake fixing the switch gear. so he chopped the the throttle down!!
Do you need a standard exhaust still.
I think this is the best option from what i've been told. so yes. my email is in the description should a good one be available
You can access all four plugs without taking the tank off. Had a bandit for over twenty years. Good reliable bikes if looked after.
Standard bandit plug tool to remove the plugs. Good luck.
I Think with the right tool that I ended up with, its possible. Ill try it next time!
Thanks!
Did u not sort out problem yet
Have had a mk2 600 for 12 years always run a filter ,if you have debris in your tank I wouldn't run it with out one.
Thank you, I'm going to revisit this. It seems a controversial issue!
Pilot air screws.
Ill check them, thank you
Hopefully you'll get some miles on those plugs and they'll be a better colour next time you pull them. It sounds like it's running much better now.
1 and 7/8 turns u said then talked about 3 1/2 turns??? i previous said 1and 3/4 to 2 turns ,where u get 3 1/2???
HAHA I know! There is so much to learn and remember! but went back and referenced and got it right, thank you. I'm finding I'm double checking everything, and need the evidence to support what I did!
He'll Pete, I do hope you are enjoying tinkering and/or making some money from TH-cam because that Bandit has turned into a right ball ache.
I'm starting to think your initial comment was correct, you have been sold a pig but you don't have much choice other than push on now. I really hope you get in sorted and can get some pleasure out of it
well I'm enjoying the learning, and i literally make pennies from youtube, i just enjoying sharing it, and if i can do it, anyone can! Its definitely a pig, but like you say i have no choice!
standard plugs for 600 ,ngk cr9ek.
Thanks