The Dante DLC costs as much as getting the whole game on PS3 so I'm starting to think I shouldn't pick up the re-release, waiting to see what the retail release comes with in my region because P5S came with the digital deluxe content with the physical edition.
This is my first SMT game, and while I'm not completely thrilled with how the port turned out, it's not enough to hinder my experience. The game is pretty great so far, but I'm definitely still waiting out on SMT V
I dunno, price and monetization aside (which is still a significant fuck-up on their part and an extremely fair thing to have a problem with), I find the port itself to be pretty great. The Son's Oath buff is a neat QOL change, the voice acting is a nice touch, and most significantly, manual skill inheritance is just... good god, I can never go back, it makes such a huge difference. The only major non-monetary fuck-up I've noticed so far is the music being the same, which does really really suck and it's whack of them to not fix it, but at least it's not something that is actively worse than it is in the original, and there are already mods out that rectify it for PC (not that mods make it at all ok for Atlus to phone it in like that, just talking in regards to the actual in-game experience). All in all, other than maybe Hardtype which I have not played and cannot speak for, this seems to me like the best way to play Nocturne now, assuming you don't have a problem with dropping $50 USD on an almost 20 year old game (which again, totally fair, it's a bullshit amount of money for them to be charging for this). EDIT: Worth noting that I am solely speaking on the PC version. I have heard some talk about performance issues for the Switch version, I haven't played or seen that version myself so I'm unable to speak on that.
@@slithermayne2218 I'm playing the Switch one. At least on handheld mode I haven't got any issues. Sometimes fps dropped when the game begins a random battle but no thing that ruin the experience, actually.
3:08 Considering that there's outcry whenever someone suggests difficulty options in a Fromsoftware game, I'd say there's plenty of people who'd take offense seeing a "Merciful" difficulty in an infamously difficult JRPG.
*nods head in elitist* But really, if people only want to go through the game for the story and not the gameplay, why not just watch a let's play? Saves you the money. Or if you want an easier SMT, play Persona.
@@BALDFURY69 When you don’t have much going on in your life, you take pride in meaningless things. Like finishing a difficult game. You’re already at rock bottom, might as well try to make people feel bad for just wanting a casual experience.
When you have to work 8 hours a day 6 days a week you don't have time to deal with stupidly high amounts of griding/chances to mess up your character progression that would render the game semi impossible, forcing a new game to not lose that skill you didn't realize was actually good. And watching a playtrough isn't the same thing: you have no say in what happens as it's just a recording, so if you liked the idea to go for an ending but the player chose not to... Well there goes any sort of immersion you had. A lower difficulty level also means you could actually use lower tier demons instead of trying to get the typical endgame stuff. It's generally a good idea, Idk how well implemented it is though
I have it downloaded but i will never use it, unless i want to get the achievement for mastering all magatama once i have finish the game, also once i defeated matador i saved and went to a previous save and tested how big of a joke merciful was. And boi is it a fucking joke. I defeated him in like 2 party turns just using normal attacks and not a single one missed even through red capote. Now i understand that not everyone likes a challenge or has time to grind but still, i feel insulted that you can defeat matador in 2 party turns pressing only triangle but if thats how you wanna play then so be it, i just hope that you atleast try normal mode first and if thats too hard then switch to merciful because i would imagine if you can just press triangle for the whole game it would become boring and tedious.
I sincerely thought when they said “Center of the Conception”, that they’d do an original area similar to the Tower of Kagutsuchi with a bit of the Labirinth of Amala. But the Hospital and Yoyogi Park but it looks worse?? Come on Atlus.
I wish they added a harder difficulty mode or a new challenge dungeon with amped up enemies (I'd even take reused encounters with higher stats) or something like that as well as, or even instead of, the extra convenience DLCs - people have been breaking this game for well over a decade now, this would have added a whole lot more value than pretty much anything else.
@@th3n0th1ng5 Oh hell yeah, I'd love that. You could even imitate that game's structure with some incarnation of Stephen testing your strength with fights against extra powerful demons or the like.
They should have used the Makai overworld theme instead of the regular Tokyo Millenium overworld for the SMT II music pack. I'm not saying the track is bad (in fact I like it very much), but the Makai theme is way more fitting. I mean, they even chose the post-nuke Tokyo instead of the regular overworld map for the SMT 1 pack.
least i's not a microtransaction. pay 50 cents for 1000 exp! keep doing it fucker! oh, new game, well, you don't have the 20k you spent 10 dollars on. nah. instead they give you access to an exp/macca farm spot you can use whenever you want, however you want.
Dlc involving exp or bonus characters for that matter (especially ones that were pert of the original game) is bs, you can argue that exp wasn't part of the original game but character progression is character progression, only a f@$%ing loser would pay for this, imo this type of sh$% just promotes and incites cheating and why wouldn't I, pay 7$ dollars or freely use cheat software lmao
Yeah, I can't really imagine why Atlus still thinks paid map DLCs are a good idea when it was shown to be a better idea when it was implemented into the game with TMS:E. I was hoping it would be a sign that going forward their games would have it available without having to pay, but it seems that it's not the case at least for now. Maybe with SMT5?
Nah, Atlus will probably go really overboard with SMTV DLCs, not only with the grind DLCs but they'll probably cut fights/demons/history content from the game to sell them as DLC later, like they did with SMTIV
@@1993StrangeBoy I'm pretty sure they got a lot of shit for doing that in IV, also Dante isn't in base game, because ATLUS doesn't wanna give royalties to Capcom.
Personally, I think the DLC's are only good if you're planning on doing multiple playthroughs. The DLC maps and the Merciful difficulty are designed to speed up the grinding process of multiple playthroughs while the Maniax pack and BGM pack are supposed to slightly vary things up.
Thank you for making this. I’ll probably get the Daunte dlc and the music pack for a second play through. I’ve never played SMT III and want to fall in love with its music too
The music DLC does remind me of one thing I always felt other games had over Nocturne: the tense "Encounter" music that plays before a battle actually starts, when you're given a chance to decide between negotiating, running, or attacking
the map dlcs are not really meant to be bonus maps, with content and whatnot. they're meant to be essentially item farms, for whatever item the dlc map is supposed to get, that you can just teleport to. they're not bonus content, it's just this weird sort of dlc addon that lets you farm those items as much as you want, like the 3ds smt 4 titles had. why is it there? for a bonus on hard modes, basically. not everyone wants to play the whole fucking game on merciful, like you kept saying, but the occasional need for an exp or money spike does come up - this is essentially a dlc cheat code of sorts. lol "this is the first time a console smt had a map dlc" this is the first console smt since they started doing it. hell, it's the first console smt in almost two decades.
@@inxine to be faaaaaaiiiiirrrr i kinda understand it. if they're sort of new to the recent changes with some of the 3ds titles having this kind of dlc, they're not exactly off the mark assuming they might've tacked on some shallow content expansion as paid dlc for money - they tacked on a cheap leveling and rare loot grind for money, after all. but yeah, it's the internet. a lot of people are really ignorant and communicating like this taking seconds can make some people more likely to leap at the first conclusion, even if it's wrong. but someone making a vid like this (if that was who was making those kind of claims, been a while) should've done a little more research, maybe. "this is the first time a console smt had a map dlc" seems to make it seem like they knew about the handheld dlcs, but was still kinda idotically presumptuous given we haven't had console smt since we've had systems even capable of dlc...
The DLC not being part of the game and on disc is ridiculous and then charging $20 more for the digital (only) deluxe and giving 4 days early access is just shady as shit. Screams lazy port cash grab. I mean, hell, EA over here giving us 3 remastered games with all DLC (minus pinnacle station) and a massive face lift. I love Atlus games and SMT/Persona are my favorite series but this release just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
it kinda is - this isn't really 'let's get kids into smt now that persona 5 has done really well' this is more like 'smt 5 is coming out soon - let's advertise it some with smt 3' they've just also kinda gotten greedy and have been doing weird shit lately with their games - persona 3, 4, 5 having two releases each (at least), doing meh spinoff titles selling on the fandom's love, etc. hell, i don't evne mind the exp/macca dlc, it's 10 dollars for a cosmetic character change and musc packs that seems really kinda funky to me.
I feel like they put the least possible amount of effort into both the game and DLC. Like, it's not as popular as Persona, yea, but...it just feels like a massive fucking cash grab. Which makes me worried for SMTV coming out this year or next.
It's probably a cash grab but they released it after considering the consumer/fan survey they gathered last year. They actually answered fans' wish but missing some of the point in the process.
P4G was in pretty much the same state, expensive, pretty much no new stuff and quite a few bugs. It's not about SMT, it's about atlus just not giving a shit about rereleasing stuff. It is just a cash grab. I really wish they someday rerelease SMT4 with 3D models on pc and switch, but seeing these rereleases they are doing now, i have no hope at all.
I bought it at full price and im having a blast playing it. But i gotta admit 50$ for a (slightly) remastered ps2 game is too much, only reason i bought it was because i was 99% certain i was going to like it because i loved persona 5 and 4 and wanted a challenge. If i had any doubts whether i was going to like it i would have waited it for to go on sale. Also i didnt buy the dlc because shortly put none of them add anything meaningful and i didnt want to spend like extra 20$ for an already overpriced game.
Thanks for this video. I held out on the digital deluxe because the only one I was intirigued by was the BGM DLC and it looks like I’ll just be picking that single pack up once the physical copy comes tomorrow
Except for where he said he didn't really play much of the Dante/Raidou dlc, which defeats the point of the video. What am I supposed to take away from that?
I know Dante being DLC seems weird, but if I may play Lucifer's advocate for a moment, consider that they: A: Atlas had to get the licensing rights from Capcom simply to feature him again, which costs money. B: They had to pay his VA's to come in and record for the new voice acting. So it makes sense they'd want to use the Dante DLC to make back the money they spent for that. Also, consider that it's probably easier to make a guest character DLC, since Atlus then only has to share profits with Capcom from the DLC pack instead of the full game.
BUYING MUSIC PACK INSTANTLY! although i wouldn't mind a playthrough without it first since i'm not familiar with all of Nocturne's themes. i'll throw any amount of money to hear SMT 4 overworld theme lol.
This is what I'd recommend as Nocturne has a ton of battle themes and the World map music is amazing as usual (seriously they always manage to make the overworld themes something worth to remember and Nocturne has 3 different variations!).
First time SMT player after really enjoying Persona 5 and 4 Golden. I’m going to wait for a sale and probably going to play on merciful mode. I honestly prefer easier RPG’s so I don’t really mind the unbalanced gameplay.
I personally think that you should only use merciful mode if you're really having trouble or want to grind since it's so easy you can play it without demons but of course it's your choice
i always felt like the difficulty in the past mostly came from people never playing an SMT style game before. I think if you have gone through p4 or p5 already, then you are probably a lot better than you think. but yeah, although i already have this pre-ordered, i can still justify in my mind why this game should have been launched at a slightly cheaper price.
Dont start on merciful mode. This game is all about its gameplay. If you are there for the story you will be disappointed. Theres no reason to play this game except for the gameplay and merciful mode takes that away. Yes there is somewhat of a story but it's not front and center. Nothing like the Persona games
I looked into it and the version with Raidou was actually the third and final updated release of this game for the PS2 in Japan (we got the second one in the states), so without the dlc this is technically a remaster of the most recent version of the game. This makes Atlus a bit more forgivable for having Dante as dlc only.
I actually like the xp and macca packs. I use the xp on only my demons so that if I need a certain skill a few levels off, I can just get it faster. The money dlc seems good for hard mode though as I've been playing ps2 Nocturne and I'm basically out of money. I'm currently grinding pixies to get enough items that I don't have to worry about healing fees
yeah. he keeps saying "it's pointless if you play on merciful" as if everyone wants to play on merciful, and people in hard can't want a place to quickly get more macca, or get a level to get a specific demon a little faster or something. also, seems to have knowledge of how it's done on smt 4, still acts like this is supposed to be additional content areas that just don't work, instead of explicitly exp.macca farm locales so of course they're low effort.
3:09 Hey that's me. It would be terrible to have that jest in my menu. I use the maps dlc tho because that way I can build demons with the skills I want easier. It doesn't make the game easier but they are giving me the chance to train demons or get some of them saving my time. I use it a lot. Farming grimoires for the demons to learn all their skills to be fuse at their best. And farming expensive statues to buy demons in the compendium and... Some items like magatama faster. They're just time-savers. Especially because I'm playing on hard. I'd love to run overworld with SMT4 music. I'll purchase that bgm Pack... Someday
I’ve already beaten this game and got the true demon ending but I might buy the bgm pack and play through it again for another ending. This isn’t even my favorite smt but I just wanna play it again for some reason. I’ll probably also buy the Dante dlc cause why not
because most remasters with dlc, had dlc the first time around. the 2003 game never had dlc, so there's no 'including all the content the original had available' sort of mindset - the dlc is mostly new (dante's not, but t's a shitty dlc anyway) this is one of the only games to release as a remaster with dlc, when the original didn't have any. also, atlus is kinda scummy with that lately.
3:38... My best guess is that it was done that way so that someone who hasn't played the game before doesn't go in, play on the easiest difficulty and then go "I don't get why everyone was complaining about how hard SMT was, the easy setting is way too easy" by having it as free DLC it points out "this is not the way the original game was, if you are playing on this difficulty it was not anything like how the original game from nearly 20 years ago really was". I find easy way way too easy, normal to be challenging but fair, and hard to be disrespecting of what limited time I have to play. It is a difficulty I would have (and did) play as a kid, but when I only have so much time to play going 30 minutes through a dungeon to only end up getting wombo combod by the AI hitting every elemental weakness just steps away from the save marker killing the team in a single shot as a lot less enjoyable than when I had all the free time in the world. My biggest gripe with the game is that "New Game" is the original copy of the game missing a ton of bosses and stuff and for us in the west if we want to get the same experience we got as a kid we need to select "New Game Chaotix or Chronicle" depending on if you want the Dante or other skin, I didn't realize till 6 hours in "hey there should have been a boss here what is going on? oh I had to select one of the DLCs if I wanted the content I remember playing in the west as a kid and selecting new game has a lot of content that was in the western version not there". I didn't realize that the version I played as a kid was a directors cut until after getting 6 hours into the remake. Luckily with easy mode I can easily get back to were I was in like 2 hours and then turn back up the difficulty, but still would have been nice to know that "New Game" would not be the classic version I remember but rather the classic version only in Japan missing a lot of bosses and stuff.
I pre-ordered the Digital Deluxe version so I got everything in a bundle! I got to play the game earlier and even got the DLC that let's you play the game with Dante replacing Raiden!
About the Merciful option it exists if you want to be quicker on your grinding, heck I had to use it to grind a Jikokuten and a Oberon to get a triple element Titania
Atlus is becoming really reallllly greedy lately, this remaster is a big example of it. A remaster of and old game costing full price AND having paid DLC is simply gross. And I'm pretty SMTV will be way worse regarding DLCs, Atlus became the EA of JRPGs for some time already.
You say the map packs are pointless, but you haven't met players like me, who want to cut down on end game money/exp grinding but feel morally offended by the idea of ever turning our game to merciful. That seems worth the price of a double cheeseburger meal.
@@nichoudha I like to buy the magatama as soon as they become available. "Need" doesnt matter. And after level 90 or so, even the final dungeon takes forever to gain 1 level. So faster exp is welcome in that case.
I probably use the level grind/macca grind after gaining Dante or radou. Towards the end is a pain to level, they could of atleast add a high level map. But oh well
he's kinda an idiot, seems to understand their point in smt 4, yet keeps talking about these map packs like they're supposed to be content but they're not (and they're not supposed to be content, they're small bonus areas to get extra exp/money) and then keeps going on about them being pointless if you're playing on merciful, which not everyone's going to be doing...
@@leeman27534 yeah. The way I've been using them is to help my demons learn extra skills before fusing them. I want the skills but I dont want to over level the demi-fiend. If I was on merciful, demi-fiend would be getting 3x exp and become massively overleveled which would allow me to fuse way higher level demons. I dont want that. By using the exp dlc I can selectively choose who to level so I can get the skills for my demons while keeping demi-fiend lower level.
@@Animekirk yeah but some of those late deep skills is deep skills for a reason.. they are way too strong for early. You shouldn’t have war cry before matador battle
Does the Deonte dlc actually add any content or is it basically a $10 cosmetic? It kinda feels like this all should have been included in the remaster, haha.
Merciful- I think Normal difficulty is fine, but it’s free so why not. Maniax- Classic western experience, I understand having to pay for it because of licensing. Map Pack- The maps themselves aren’t that insane, but a way to easily farm XP and Money is insane for a game like Nocturne. Whether it’s worth it is up in the air, but I got the Deluxe Edition so I got this anyways. Legacy- Worth it just for the SMT IV music imo
eh, i like the cheat dlc (spending like 3 hours in a hallway to get two levels, or like six fights in a bonus area - it's just a grind saver, that's all, if used responsibly), and not paying 10 bucks for fucking dante. also beat it on hard back on the ps2.
I figure I'm probably gonna pick up Maniax just cause I'm a DMC fan and experiencing the "Featuring Dante from Devil May Cry" is probably worth it. I was thinking about getting the music pack. Really sucks it's only a handful of tracks from each game though. I'll have to decide on if that's worth it.
Ya know which DLC i would've even payed 20 bucks for. A button that allows you to wait for a specific Kagutshuchi time, i've wasted so much time casting the no enemy spell and running in circles for mystical chests. What a horrid experience.
So they added merciful difficulty but not merciless/demi-fiend's? seems this version wont offer any additional challenge for those who beat the original game on hard difficulty and adding couple of extra maps wont be an actual reason at least for me to buy the game for $49.99 USD+ that DLC cost so i can have the same experience with enhanced graphics and upscaling. A recommendation for those who want to play so you can encounter Raidou instead of Dante ;play Maniax chronicle edition English patched version.
Probably gonna buy the map pack solely for near the end when most fusions require high 80’s or low 90’s for fusions and Metatron won’t be as much as a hassle. Really wish they had dlc that let you select the skills transferred upon fusion
@@yagami999913 honestly must’ve glanced over that. I only beat it on ps2 but early reviews brought up how you couldn’t select skills upon fusion so maybe it changed before I made my comment
Obvious solution is to grab the DLCs while they are on sale. SMT3 remastered is like $20 right now during the holidays so I imagine you'll pay closer to $30 with all the DLCs.
Do the maps have hard bosses, or is it just to farm xp/money items? I bought them thinking they would be lore, I'm running through hospital & doors keep saying there's a more powerful foe, but there hasn't been(I intend to throw away these xp items once I leave)
well the deluxe edition that comes with all the dlc and the game in one package for $69 allows you to play the game early so i just bought that even if i didnt even really care that much about any of the dlc.
nothing. the original maniax version added the depths of amala and dante, the japanese version had raidou. this game has the depths of amala stuff and raidou - you're paying 10 bucks for a character swap.
I fight bosses on normal and grind on merciless. Like i legit tried to play on normal for everything, but it took much longer to lv up and i was always lost. Ik that's how the game was meant to be played, but i really just wanna be able to progress hahaha.
Thanks for the video! I have a question for you that might help others as well: For the battle themes dlc, are they just for the battles in the open world sections and in dungeons as well? Thanks!!
Not paying $49.99 for an 18 year old game; I would pay that money for a full remake, but these minimal improvements do not justify the high cost. Should have been $20.00 USD at most.
I like merciful as a download because I don't like that you can change the difficulty anytime in the options because you can be playing on hard then just switch to merciful and get 3x exp and macca and then switch back and say you passed the game on hard or switch when you get stuck on a boss. I would play on hard but the fact that you can change anytime ruins the idea of passing it on hard and being able to challenge your friends and say you did it. In simple takes away the bragging rights and competing against your friends and there is no way to know if they just switched to merciful and cheated so it not being there and only seeing normal and hard you will not have to question if merciful was used if you ever downloaded it. Hope that made sense.
honestly the dante one is the most bullshit. making a bonus exp/macca area as a dlc is nice - nicer than a fucking microtransaction system for it. and making music tracks available is niche, but good for those people. dante? it's a 10 dollar costume change, essentially, for a bonus character you only get in one ending, once you've done 99% of the fucking game, iirc. seriously, when you get raidou/dante, there's only 3 bosses left in the game, and that's in the powerful side content sort of thing - and by then you tend to need a specialized team that raidou/dante can't really be customized that much. so it's 10 dollars for a cosmetic change on an already for shits and giggles bonus character
@@leeman27534 Considering the fact Atlus probably needed to license Dante and hire Reuben Langdon to do the voice acting the price seems pretty fair. Also at least you have a good free alternative.
When you said "I don't know who would be so offended by merciful that they wouldn't even want it in the game" I started sweating and my wife started glaring at me (I told her to play it how it was meant to on her first playthrough after showing her a bunch of SMT3 BS videos)
I would assume Merciful is a DLC so that developers try not to force people too much into it. Part of the charm of the game and its atmosphère comes from its difficulty. It also could be some weird technical reason as well. Altus has a history of weird DLC/patch and overpriced products.
Wow ,so if you want the complete package you have to pay more , this is ridiculous I have original game and I not going to pay full price for a remake like this, all this dlc should be included on game
I can't even stomach a $50 price tag for this jank port - let alone be bothered to invest more $ in DLC content that I could enjoy for free via emulation. Atlus... wtf...
its not even remaster, its HD upgrade at best, and they want us to spend on stuff that should of been in it for free, especially when Dante was in original, piss off Atlus and Sega
Dante. Buy dante. Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry™ series. Merciful is kinda whatever either way. Also SMT music is banger, so you can't go wrong with it if you really want to shove your money at Atlus for it. That is all.
3:09 - 3:17 Me. Okay. ME. I would fucking cancel all my preorders, stop preordering it for friends, and refuse to play it if I EVER had to even SEE Merciful on my Nocturne. I would be that "triggered" "offended" whatever. I don't care. I REFUSE to even SEE that piece of shit difficulty system on my PS4 and Steam versions. Switch, I guess I'll mess around with it just because, but I REFUSE to use it on any serious playthrough of this fantastic game that has been blasphemed with this garbage Difficulty system.
"I don't think anyone would be so offended by seeing Merciful on their screen" ... Is this your first day on the internet? No matter what something is, someone will be offended by it. A hell of a lot of people will find the tiniest things to rage out over. There are people who sit online searching for things to be mad at. We live in the Age of Rage. There are no degrees with it either, it's all 0 (No f*cks given) or 100 (total extinction event) with every little thing.
this is why you wait for a steam sale ;) i just got the base game with all the dlc for £27.. on sale the base game with no dlc was £26 so it was a no brainer ;D
I Google SMT battle music and get 2 billion results, atlus ain't slick
Hearing the Tokyo theme from SMT IV in Nocturne is so surreal, you have no idea.
In a good or a bad way?
I honestly love having the songs for repeat play throughs
Is it worth the $7.99?
Atlus: We don't gonna fix the low quality battle themes
Also Atlus: BUY BATTLE THEMES IN HIGH QUALITY!
Atlus also pulled an Atlus and deleted the high quality uncompressed versions of those battle themes
@@jQuse I would have compassionately accepted sloppy AI upscales of them.
@@vanilla8956 that's what mods are for /s
@@jQuse GL with that. It uses denuvo on steam :/
@@sky_shu Someone already has it working you can find it on TH-cam
The Dante DLC costs as much as getting the whole game on PS3 so I'm starting to think I shouldn't pick up the re-release, waiting to see what the retail release comes with in my region because P5S came with the digital deluxe content with the physical edition.
Its probably because Capcom owns the character
@@jamessicard1705 that and prob to recoup some costs of Reuben Langdon's VA work
Licensing fees will be our downfall
This is my first SMT game, and while I'm not completely thrilled with how the port turned out, it's not enough to hinder my experience. The game is pretty great so far, but I'm definitely still waiting out on SMT V
Same. Mine will arrive tomorrow btw
I dunno, price and monetization aside (which is still a significant fuck-up on their part and an extremely fair thing to have a problem with), I find the port itself to be pretty great. The Son's Oath buff is a neat QOL change, the voice acting is a nice touch, and most significantly, manual skill inheritance is just... good god, I can never go back, it makes such a huge difference. The only major non-monetary fuck-up I've noticed so far is the music being the same, which does really really suck and it's whack of them to not fix it, but at least it's not something that is actively worse than it is in the original, and there are already mods out that rectify it for PC (not that mods make it at all ok for Atlus to phone it in like that, just talking in regards to the actual in-game experience). All in all, other than maybe Hardtype which I have not played and cannot speak for, this seems to me like the best way to play Nocturne now, assuming you don't have a problem with dropping $50 USD on an almost 20 year old game (which again, totally fair, it's a bullshit amount of money for them to be charging for this).
EDIT: Worth noting that I am solely speaking on the PC version. I have heard some talk about performance issues for the Switch version, I haven't played or seen that version myself so I'm unable to speak on that.
@@slithermayne2218 I'm playing the Switch one. At least on handheld mode I haven't got any issues. Sometimes fps dropped when the game begins a random battle but no thing that ruin the experience, actually.
@@slithermayne2218 monetization? I haven't been following up about this release though I love this game
3:08 Considering that there's outcry whenever someone suggests difficulty options in a Fromsoftware game, I'd say there's plenty of people who'd take offense seeing a "Merciful" difficulty in an infamously difficult JRPG.
*nods head in elitist*
But really, if people only want to go through the game for the story and not the gameplay, why not just watch a let's play? Saves you the money. Or if you want an easier SMT, play Persona.
@@zombyjano why not just let people have an easy option? Don't see the issue if it has 0 impact on the OG difficulty.
@@BALDFURY69 When you don’t have much going on in your life, you take pride in meaningless things. Like finishing a difficult game. You’re already at rock bottom, might as well try to make people feel bad for just wanting a casual experience.
When you have to work 8 hours a day 6 days a week you don't have time to deal with stupidly high amounts of griding/chances to mess up your character progression that would render the game semi impossible, forcing a new game to not lose that skill you didn't realize was actually good.
And watching a playtrough isn't the same thing: you have no say in what happens as it's just a recording, so if you liked the idea to go for an ending but the player chose not to... Well there goes any sort of immersion you had.
A lower difficulty level also means you could actually use lower tier demons instead of trying to get the typical endgame stuff.
It's generally a good idea, Idk how well implemented it is though
I have it downloaded but i will never use it, unless i want to get the achievement for mastering all magatama once i have finish the game, also once i defeated matador i saved and went to a previous save and tested how big of a joke merciful was. And boi is it a fucking joke. I defeated him in like 2 party turns just using normal attacks and not a single one missed even through red capote. Now i understand that not everyone likes a challenge or has time to grind but still, i feel insulted that you can defeat matador in 2 party turns pressing only triangle but if thats how you wanna play then so be it, i just hope that you atleast try normal mode first and if thats too hard then switch to merciful because i would imagine if you can just press triangle for the whole game it would become boring and tedious.
I sincerely thought when they said “Center of the Conception”, that they’d do an original area similar to the Tower of Kagutsuchi with a bit of the Labirinth of Amala. But the Hospital and Yoyogi Park but it looks worse?? Come on Atlus.
I wish they added a harder difficulty mode or a new challenge dungeon with amped up enemies (I'd even take reused encounters with higher stats) or something like that as well as, or even instead of, the extra convenience DLCs - people have been breaking this game for well over a decade now, this would have added a whole lot more value than pretty much anything else.
Something like Margaret Quests in P3P?
@@th3n0th1ng5 Oh hell yeah, I'd love that.
You could even imitate that game's structure with some incarnation of Stephen testing your strength with fights against extra powerful demons or the like.
IDK how I feel about DLC for a port of an old game where the devs didn't even do anything to remaster this game.
They should have used the Makai overworld theme instead of the regular Tokyo Millenium overworld for the SMT II music pack. I'm not saying the track is bad (in fact I like it very much), but the Makai theme is way more fitting. I mean, they even chose the post-nuke Tokyo instead of the regular overworld map for the SMT 1 pack.
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They also didn’t use the Blasted Tokyo theme when it looks very similar to this game’s Toyko :/
@@BitchChill
Your profile picture is Aigis, you ain’t slick!
@@Cinko420 She's not an anime character
i would argue the dlc grinding maps are better since you can control how much to give yourself in terms of macca and exp. Still garbage dlc practices
least i's not a microtransaction.
pay 50 cents for 1000 exp! keep doing it fucker! oh, new game, well, you don't have the 20k you spent 10 dollars on.
nah. instead they give you access to an exp/macca farm spot you can use whenever you want, however you want.
@@leeman27534 kinda still is
This shit is the reason the dancing games bombed.
@@jaimeantonioolaguezchirino5805 at least this time it isnt half of the game's content getting locked away behind a paywall.
Dlc involving exp or bonus characters for that matter (especially ones that were pert of the original game) is bs, you can argue that exp wasn't part of the original game but character progression is character progression, only a f@$%ing loser would pay for this, imo this type of sh$% just promotes and incites cheating and why wouldn't I, pay 7$ dollars or freely use cheat software lmao
A small note is you CAN use the Maniac version for new game plus if you do Ridou first, you don't need to start a whole new playthrough.
Fuck dude I'm buying the music dlc just for the Tokyo music from smt 4 I absolutely love that track
Holy shit the YT time stamps!! You are amazing!!
Yeah, I can't really imagine why Atlus still thinks paid map DLCs are a good idea when it was shown to be a better idea when it was implemented into the game with TMS:E. I was hoping it would be a sign that going forward their games would have it available without having to pay, but it seems that it's not the case at least for now. Maybe with SMT5?
Nocturne is way more popular than TMS among Atlus fans so they knew they could capitalize on it.
Nah, Atlus will probably go really overboard with SMTV DLCs, not only with the grind DLCs but they'll probably cut fights/demons/history content from the game to sell them as DLC later, like they did with SMTIV
@@1993StrangeBoy I'm pretty sure they got a lot of shit for doing that in IV, also Dante isn't in base game, because ATLUS doesn't wanna give royalties to Capcom.
@@1993StrangeBoy yo you called it
Personally, I think the DLC's are only good if you're planning on doing multiple playthroughs. The DLC maps and the Merciful difficulty are designed to speed up the grinding process of multiple playthroughs while the Maniax pack and BGM pack are supposed to slightly vary things up.
Thank you for making this. I’ll probably get the Daunte dlc and the music pack for a second play through. I’ve never played SMT III and want to fall in love with its music too
The music DLC does remind me of one thing I always felt other games had over Nocturne: the tense "Encounter" music that plays before a battle actually starts, when you're given a chance to decide between negotiating, running, or attacking
the map dlcs are not really meant to be bonus maps, with content and whatnot.
they're meant to be essentially item farms, for whatever item the dlc map is supposed to get, that you can just teleport to.
they're not bonus content, it's just this weird sort of dlc addon that lets you farm those items as much as you want, like the 3ds smt 4 titles had.
why is it there? for a bonus on hard modes, basically. not everyone wants to play the whole fucking game on merciful, like you kept saying, but the occasional need for an exp or money spike does come up - this is essentially a dlc cheat code of sorts.
lol "this is the first time a console smt had a map dlc"
this is the first console smt since they started doing it. hell, it's the first console smt in almost two decades.
exactly this.
some people are just really ignorant and talk weird stuff
@@inxine to be faaaaaaiiiiirrrr
i kinda understand it. if they're sort of new to the recent changes with some of the 3ds titles having this kind of dlc, they're not exactly off the mark assuming they might've tacked on some shallow content expansion as paid dlc for money - they tacked on a cheap leveling and rare loot grind for money, after all.
but yeah, it's the internet. a lot of people are really ignorant and communicating like this taking seconds can make some people more likely to leap at the first conclusion, even if it's wrong.
but someone making a vid like this (if that was who was making those kind of claims, been a while) should've done a little more research, maybe. "this is the first time a console smt had a map dlc" seems to make it seem like they knew about the handheld dlcs, but was still kinda idotically presumptuous given we haven't had console smt since we've had systems even capable of dlc...
The DLC not being part of the game and on disc is ridiculous and then charging $20 more for the digital (only) deluxe and giving 4 days early access is just shady as shit. Screams lazy port cash grab. I mean, hell, EA over here giving us 3 remastered games with all DLC (minus pinnacle station) and a massive face lift. I love Atlus games and SMT/Persona are my favorite series but this release just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
it kinda is - this isn't really 'let's get kids into smt now that persona 5 has done really well'
this is more like 'smt 5 is coming out soon - let's advertise it some with smt 3'
they've just also kinda gotten greedy and have been doing weird shit lately with their games - persona 3, 4, 5 having two releases each (at least), doing meh spinoff titles selling on the fandom's love, etc.
hell, i don't evne mind the exp/macca dlc, it's 10 dollars for a cosmetic character change and musc packs that seems really kinda funky to me.
I feel like they put the least possible amount of effort into both the game and DLC. Like, it's not as popular as Persona, yea, but...it just feels like a massive fucking cash grab. Which makes me worried for SMTV coming out this year or next.
It's probably a cash grab but they released it after considering the consumer/fan survey they gathered last year. They actually answered fans' wish but missing some of the point in the process.
especially when original PS2 game had Dante, few other stuff, Sega just greedy
@@kyotheman69 Nah. This is all Atlus.
@@kyotheman69 If ATLUS puts Dante into the base game, they'd have to pay royalties to Capcom.
P4G was in pretty much the same state, expensive, pretty much no new stuff and quite a few bugs. It's not about SMT, it's about atlus just not giving a shit about rereleasing stuff. It is just a cash grab. I really wish they someday rerelease SMT4 with 3D models on pc and switch, but seeing these rereleases they are doing now, i have no hope at all.
Easy answer: Don't Buy full price. Wait for it to go on sale with Full DLC package and Buy it's when it's cheaper.
I bought it at full price and im having a blast playing it. But i gotta admit 50$ for a (slightly) remastered ps2 game is too much, only reason i bought it was because i was 99% certain i was going to like it because i loved persona 5 and 4 and wanted a challenge. If i had any doubts whether i was going to like it i would have waited it for to go on sale.
Also i didnt buy the dlc because shortly put none of them add anything meaningful and i didnt want to spend like extra 20$ for an already overpriced game.
Maybe the dante pack but definitely the smt music pack for that smt iv music
The fact that a remake has dlc is a disgusting practice
Remaster. A remake is something entirely different. You're right about the dlc though. Only thing that makes sense is Dante due to the license stuff
I wanted Maniax and Music pack so I just bought the digital deluxe edition, only paying a few more dollars to play a few days early
Thanks for this video. I held out on the digital deluxe because the only one I was intirigued by was the BGM DLC and it looks like I’ll just be picking that single pack up once the physical copy comes tomorrow
This is really useful content bud thank you!
Except for where he said he didn't really play much of the Dante/Raidou dlc, which defeats the point of the video. What am I supposed to take away from that?
I know Dante being DLC seems weird, but if I may play Lucifer's advocate for a moment, consider that they:
A: Atlas had to get the licensing rights from Capcom simply to feature him again, which costs money.
B: They had to pay his VA's to come in and record for the new voice acting.
So it makes sense they'd want to use the Dante DLC to make back the money they spent for that. Also, consider that it's probably easier to make a guest character DLC, since Atlus then only has to share profits with Capcom from the DLC pack instead of the full game.
*Other Remastered games putting all their DLC in at a decent price* Atlus: *Keeps DLC separate and charges full price for PS2 game*
thank you for making this :)
It’s on sale rn! Switch Digital Deluxe is $48.99
BUYING MUSIC PACK INSTANTLY! although i wouldn't mind a playthrough without it first since i'm not familiar with all of Nocturne's themes. i'll throw any amount of money to hear SMT 4 overworld theme lol.
This is what I'd recommend as Nocturne has a ton of battle themes and the World map music is amazing as usual (seriously they always manage to make the overworld themes something worth to remember and Nocturne has 3 different variations!).
First time SMT player after really enjoying Persona 5 and 4 Golden. I’m going to wait for a sale and probably going to play on merciful mode. I honestly prefer easier RPG’s so I don’t really mind the unbalanced gameplay.
I personally think that you should only use merciful mode if you're really having trouble or want to grind since it's so easy you can play it without demons but of course it's your choice
i always felt like the difficulty in the past mostly came from people never playing an SMT style game before. I think if you have gone through p4 or p5 already, then you are probably a lot better than you think. but yeah, although i already have this pre-ordered, i can still justify in my mind why this game should have been launched at a slightly cheaper price.
@@mattxstarx yeah you'll be good
Dont start on merciful mode. This game is all about its gameplay. If you are there for the story you will be disappointed. Theres no reason to play this game except for the gameplay and merciful mode takes that away. Yes there is somewhat of a story but it's not front and center. Nothing like the Persona games
Hey are you the reddit guy
4:14 is when he started talking about the map pack
I looked into it and the version with Raidou was actually the third and final updated release of this game for the PS2 in Japan (we got the second one in the states), so without the dlc this is technically a remaster of the most recent version of the game. This makes Atlus a bit more forgivable for having Dante as dlc only.
I actually like the xp and macca packs.
I use the xp on only my demons so that if I need a certain skill a few levels off, I can just get it faster.
The money dlc seems good for hard mode though as I've been playing ps2 Nocturne and I'm basically out of money.
I'm currently grinding pixies to get enough items that I don't have to worry about healing fees
yeah. he keeps saying "it's pointless if you play on merciful" as if everyone wants to play on merciful, and people in hard can't want a place to quickly get more macca, or get a level to get a specific demon a little faster or something.
also, seems to have knowledge of how it's done on smt 4, still acts like this is supposed to be additional content areas that just don't work, instead of explicitly exp.macca farm locales so of course they're low effort.
It's like how smt 4/apocalypse did it. And that's not really a bad thing
The level up maps are obviously for trophy hunters since there’s one for hard mode so they plat the game in one playthrough without a hassle.
3:09 Hey that's me. It would be terrible to have that jest in my menu.
I use the maps dlc tho because that way I can build demons with the skills I want easier. It doesn't make the game easier but they are giving me the chance to train demons or get some of them saving my time. I use it a lot. Farming grimoires for the demons to learn all their skills to be fuse at their best. And farming expensive statues to buy demons in the compendium and... Some items like magatama faster. They're just time-savers. Especially because I'm playing on hard.
I'd love to run overworld with SMT4 music. I'll purchase that bgm Pack... Someday
I’ve already beaten this game and got the true demon ending but I might buy the bgm pack and play through it again for another ending. This isn’t even my favorite smt but I just wanna play it again for some reason. I’ll probably also buy the Dante dlc cause why not
Why in gods name is a remaster of a 2003 game getting separate dlc. I cant recall a single remaster where the extra content/dlc WASNT included.
because most remasters with dlc, had dlc the first time around.
the 2003 game never had dlc, so there's no 'including all the content the original had available' sort of mindset - the dlc is mostly new (dante's not, but t's a shitty dlc anyway)
this is one of the only games to release as a remaster with dlc, when the original didn't have any.
also, atlus is kinda scummy with that lately.
3:38... My best guess is that it was done that way so that someone who hasn't played the game before doesn't go in, play on the easiest difficulty and then go "I don't get why everyone was complaining about how hard SMT was, the easy setting is way too easy" by having it as free DLC it points out "this is not the way the original game was, if you are playing on this difficulty it was not anything like how the original game from nearly 20 years ago really was".
I find easy way way too easy, normal to be challenging but fair, and hard to be disrespecting of what limited time I have to play. It is a difficulty I would have (and did) play as a kid, but when I only have so much time to play going 30 minutes through a dungeon to only end up getting wombo combod by the AI hitting every elemental weakness just steps away from the save marker killing the team in a single shot as a lot less enjoyable than when I had all the free time in the world.
My biggest gripe with the game is that "New Game" is the original copy of the game missing a ton of bosses and stuff and for us in the west if we want to get the same experience we got as a kid we need to select "New Game Chaotix or Chronicle" depending on if you want the Dante or other skin, I didn't realize till 6 hours in "hey there should have been a boss here what is going on? oh I had to select one of the DLCs if I wanted the content I remember playing in the west as a kid and selecting new game has a lot of content that was in the western version not there". I didn't realize that the version I played as a kid was a directors cut until after getting 6 hours into the remake. Luckily with easy mode I can easily get back to were I was in like 2 hours and then turn back up the difficulty, but still would have been nice to know that "New Game" would not be the classic version I remember but rather the classic version only in Japan missing a lot of bosses and stuff.
For Australians:
Dante: $15
Grind maps: $12
Music: $12
I want Dante simply because Devil May Cry remixes don't fit Raidou at all lmao
No one watches your videos despite their quality... why?
16k views is nothing to sneeze at. That's a lot of people watching
Man hearing IVA's Large Map just put a goofy grin in my face. I love that game so fucking much.
Not the biggest fan of battle F1, but it's still a bop
I have a question, can you use this music from the beginning of the game ?
I pre-ordered the Digital Deluxe version so I got everything in a bundle! I got to play the game earlier and even got the DLC that let's you play the game with Dante replacing Raiden!
About the Merciful option it exists if you want to be quicker on your grinding, heck I had to use it to grind a Jikokuten and a Oberon to get a triple element Titania
I don’t give a FUCK, I love Nocturne, don’t care for Dante, getting that BGM pack. I’M SO EXCITED IT’S ALMOST HERE!!!!
Atlus is becoming really reallllly greedy lately, this remaster is a big example of it.
A remaster of and old game costing full price AND having paid DLC is simply gross.
And I'm pretty SMTV will be way worse regarding DLCs, Atlus became the EA of JRPGs for some time already.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'll go play Nocturne on my PS2
*PS2 start up noises*
I'll play Nocturne on my Ps3.
You say the map packs are pointless, but you haven't met players like me, who want to cut down on end game money/exp grinding but feel morally offended by the idea of ever turning our game to merciful. That seems worth the price of a double cheeseburger meal.
@@nichoudha I like to buy the magatama as soon as they become available. "Need" doesnt matter. And after level 90 or so, even the final dungeon takes forever to gain 1 level. So faster exp is welcome in that case.
I probably use the level grind/macca grind after gaining Dante or radou. Towards the end is a pain to level, they could of atleast add a high level map. But oh well
he's kinda an idiot, seems to understand their point in smt 4, yet keeps talking about these map packs like they're supposed to be content but they're not (and they're not supposed to be content, they're small bonus areas to get extra exp/money)
and then keeps going on about them being pointless if you're playing on merciful, which not everyone's going to be doing...
@@leeman27534 yeah. The way I've been using them is to help my demons learn extra skills before fusing them. I want the skills but I dont want to over level the demi-fiend. If I was on merciful, demi-fiend would be getting 3x exp and become massively overleveled which would allow me to fuse way higher level demons. I dont want that. By using the exp dlc I can selectively choose who to level so I can get the skills for my demons while keeping demi-fiend lower level.
@@Animekirk yeah but some of those late deep skills is deep skills for a reason.. they are way too strong for early. You shouldn’t have war cry before matador battle
Does the Deonte dlc actually add any content or is it basically a $10 cosmetic? It kinda feels like this all should have been included in the remaster, haha.
It's a cosmetic
Merciful- I think Normal difficulty is fine, but it’s free so why not.
Maniax- Classic western experience, I understand having to pay for it because of licensing.
Map Pack- The maps themselves aren’t that insane, but a way to easily farm XP and Money is insane for a game like Nocturne. Whether it’s worth it is up in the air, but I got the Deluxe Edition so I got this anyways.
Legacy- Worth it just for the SMT IV music imo
I’d say to just get the Dante dlc and don’t use the cheat dlc. You won’t be able to boast about Nocturne, because the game is supposed to be hard
eh, i like the cheat dlc (spending like 3 hours in a hallway to get two levels, or like six fights in a bonus area - it's just a grind saver, that's all, if used responsibly), and not paying 10 bucks for fucking dante.
also beat it on hard back on the ps2.
It's not cheating. For though of us who doesn't want to spend hours grinding up a demon for all its skills or whatever it's helpful
I figure I'm probably gonna pick up Maniax just cause I'm a DMC fan and experiencing the "Featuring Dante from Devil May Cry" is probably worth it. I was thinking about getting the music pack. Really sucks it's only a handful of tracks from each game though. I'll have to decide on if that's worth it.
I am going to buy it on the switch, even though I admit it’s a very barebones hd remaster. I believe it will flop sales wise in the west.
I hope it flops. Their shitty practices shouldn't be encouraged.
Probably just get the music pack because smt music is awesome. Passing on everything else. Maybe maniacs for second playthrough
Ya know which DLC i would've even payed 20 bucks for. A button that allows you to wait for a specific Kagutshuchi time, i've wasted so much time casting the no enemy spell and running in circles for mystical chests. What a horrid experience.
So they added merciful difficulty but not merciless/demi-fiend's? seems this version wont offer any additional challenge for those who beat the original game on hard difficulty and adding couple of extra maps wont be an actual reason at least for me to buy the game for $49.99 USD+ that DLC cost so i can have the same experience with enhanced graphics and upscaling.
A recommendation for those who want to play so you can encounter Raidou instead of Dante ;play Maniax chronicle edition English patched version.
Is there no over world map song for SMT 1? Lol i don’t hear it when you play it lol
I want to buy the remastered ost dlc that replaces the current music with the soundtrack version.
Probably gonna buy the map pack solely for near the end when most fusions require high 80’s or low 90’s for fusions and Metatron won’t be as much as a hassle. Really wish they had dlc that let you select the skills transferred upon fusion
Isn't it already possible to choose wich skills to transfer in the remaster ?
press triangle in the screen that shows what demon you're about to get from fusion
@@yagami999913 honestly must’ve glanced over that. I only beat it on ps2 but early reviews brought up how you couldn’t select skills upon fusion so maybe it changed before I made my comment
Tbh I feel like a remaster of a old game should have all the stuff included in it.
Obvious solution is to grab the DLCs while they are on sale. SMT3 remastered is like $20 right now during the holidays so I imagine you'll pay closer to $30 with all the DLCs.
Completely agree why a difficulty settings is a download? It should have been on the NA release
Is the DLC music compressed??
Hilariously no
Do the maps have hard bosses, or is it just to farm xp/money items? I bought them thinking they would be lore, I'm running through hospital & doors keep saying there's a more powerful foe, but there hasn't been(I intend to throw away these xp items once I leave)
No bosses just farms
@@SpencerPressly what the Heck? So lame
well the deluxe edition that comes with all the dlc and the game in one package for $69 allows you to play the game early so i just bought that even if i didnt even really care that much about any of the dlc.
So I'm a bit confused, what's the difference between the Maniax and the regular game, besides Dante
nothing. the original maniax version added the depths of amala and dante, the japanese version had raidou.
this game has the depths of amala stuff and raidou - you're paying 10 bucks for a character swap.
The only difference is that Raidou is swapped for Dante. I assume its DLC due to capcom
I decided to play the game at Merciful difficulty because I am new to the series.
Question
does the Maniax DLC "unfix" Mot? as in, will Mot go back to spamming beast eye?
I fight bosses on normal and grind on merciless. Like i legit tried to play on normal for everything, but it took much longer to lv up and i was always lost. Ik that's how the game was meant to be played, but i really just wanna be able to progress hahaha.
Thanks for the video! I have a question for you that might help others as well: For the battle themes dlc, are they just for the battles in the open world sections and in dungeons as well? Thanks!!
The tracks are unfortunately only for the overworld and when you were in battles from the overworld.
@@SpencerPressly Oh wow, like you said, much better in Strikers... I will skip in that case! Thanks for the reply! :D
Is it true that the music dlc only plays in the overworld? So it wont play in dungeons and stuff??
True. Overworld exploring and overworld battles only
Not paying $49.99 for an 18 year old game; I would pay that money for a full remake, but these minimal improvements do not justify the high cost. Should have been $20.00 USD at most.
Do they really feel the need to split them into DLCs?
I think I might pick up the Dante pack, but I don't think I'll touch anything else.
I feel like the dlc dungeons are modified map packs, I actually like em
i was really hoping to hear the smt imagine demifiend theme in the music pack :
Does the battle theme change throughout the entire game, or just in the overworld?
It is the same battle theme in normal battles too
@@SpencerPressly Oh wow, I thought it only played in the overworld battles. This is actually way better.
@@SpencerPressly Well, nvm. That was a total lie.
@@superiorgamedude ah my bad. I misread this. Yeah it’s all battles in the over world only which is a real bummer sorry for the confusion
@@SpencerPressly Ah no prob, I was just being an asshole. Everyone makes mistakes.
I'll play on hard and buy all dlcs
my man
As record scratch intended
I like merciful as a download because I don't like that you can change the difficulty anytime in the options because you can be playing on hard then just switch to merciful and get 3x exp and macca and then switch back and say you passed the game on hard or switch when you get stuck on a boss. I would play on hard but the fact that you can change anytime ruins the idea of passing it on hard and being able to challenge your friends and say you did it. In simple takes away the bragging rights and competing against your friends and there is no way to know if they just switched to merciful and cheated so it not being there and only seeing normal and hard you will not have to question if merciful was used if you ever downloaded it. Hope that made sense.
I think the Dante dlc is the only time I will defend an Atlus dlc practice
I'm mean....they do need to pay Reuben Langdon for his side performance
honestly the dante one is the most bullshit.
making a bonus exp/macca area as a dlc is nice - nicer than a fucking microtransaction system for it.
and making music tracks available is niche, but good for those people.
dante? it's a 10 dollar costume change, essentially, for a bonus character you only get in one ending, once you've done 99% of the fucking game, iirc.
seriously, when you get raidou/dante, there's only 3 bosses left in the game, and that's in the powerful side content sort of thing - and by then you tend to need a specialized team that raidou/dante can't really be customized that much.
so it's 10 dollars for a cosmetic change on an already for shits and giggles bonus character
@@leeman27534 Considering the fact Atlus probably needed to license Dante and hire Reuben Langdon to do the voice acting the price seems pretty fair. Also at least you have a good free alternative.
Bruh never play smt nocturne before but even I won't touch merciful mode with a 10ft pole
Yeah after seeing this pretty much all the DLCs are stupid.
I think it’s to fudge numbers on DLC, maybe for the merciful difficulty. Although, I can’t really tell you why.
Should i start playing the normal story or should i play the maniax version ?
Totally up to if you wanna see raidou or Dante no preferred first version
@SpencerPressly also I'm confused on the demi fiend dlc
When you said "I don't know who would be so offended by merciful that they wouldn't even want it in the game"
I started sweating and my wife started glaring at me
(I told her to play it how it was meant to on her first playthrough after showing her a bunch of SMT3 BS videos)
lol. tbh my first thought would be the soulsbourne crowd who act like even the mention of a easy option is a massive offense.
I would assume Merciful is a DLC so that developers try not to force people too much into it. Part of the charm of the game and its atmosphère comes from its difficulty.
It also could be some weird technical reason as well.
Altus has a history of weird DLC/patch and overpriced products.
Wow ,so if you want the complete package you have to pay more , this is ridiculous I have original game and I not going to pay full price for a remake like this, all this dlc should be included on game
I can't even stomach a $50 price tag for this jank port - let alone be bothered to invest more $ in DLC content that I could enjoy for free via emulation.
Atlus... wtf...
its not even remaster, its HD upgrade at best, and they want us to spend on stuff that should of been in it for free, especially when Dante was in original, piss off Atlus and Sega
You do know who owns Dante correct
The DLC pricing is kinda ridiculous considering the game is $50 MSRP. A remaster of a PS2 game that’s $10 on PS3
Dante. Buy dante. Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry™ series. Merciful is kinda whatever either way. Also SMT music is banger, so you can't go wrong with it if you really want to shove your money at Atlus for it. That is all.
3:09 - 3:17
Me. Okay. ME. I would fucking cancel all my preorders, stop preordering it for friends, and refuse to play it if I EVER had to even SEE Merciful on my Nocturne. I would be that "triggered" "offended" whatever. I don't care. I REFUSE to even SEE that piece of shit difficulty system on my PS4 and Steam versions. Switch, I guess I'll mess around with it just because, but I REFUSE to use it on any serious playthrough of this fantastic game that has been blasphemed with this garbage Difficulty system.
lmao
is the lvl cap for the remaster still 255
Yep
All I can say is "Thank you, and my wallet thanks you."
"I don't think anyone would be so offended by seeing Merciful on their screen" ... Is this your first day on the internet? No matter what something is, someone will be offended by it. A hell of a lot of people will find the tiniest things to rage out over. There are people who sit online searching for things to be mad at. We live in the Age of Rage. There are no degrees with it either, it's all 0 (No f*cks given) or 100 (total extinction event) with every little thing.
Only one needed is dante but i still got all because i whaled and wanted to play it now
this is why you wait for a steam sale ;) i just got the base game with all the dlc for £27.. on sale the base game with no dlc was £26 so it was a no brainer ;D