Hey guys! In this video we are taking a close look at two Sa-nook Dendrobium 'Phalaenopsis types'. I bought these two around 2.5/3 years ago, at the same time from the same place- both the 'Banana Chocolate' trade name variety. I potted one in bark and gave it as a gift to my mum, and kept one, transitioning it to semi-hydroponics. Were you surprised looking at my Mum's, which hasn't been fertilised at all? Honestly, I was, but these guys are super resilient and able to move nutrients around, for the most part. As it gets bigger, I think it may run into some issues? But then we will need to repot and refresh the bark, which will have certain NPK levels contained. I think the lack of blooms from hers are potentially light related. It'll be interesting to see what her new growth does this year! I think here you can really see how overall culture, not just one specific aspect, can have a big effect on speed of growth 🙂 While good lighting and fertilising may not be essentials to orchid care (in terms of keeping the orchid alive at least), they will certainly help you get to that great specimen size much quicker- and as a consequence, help you to enjoy even more blooms 🙂 My Dendrobium care video from last year: th-cam.com/video/b3jFuKtTEW8/w-d-xo.html What did you all think about the comparison between the two here? Let me know! I found mums tucked away in a corner, and just had to show you 🙂
Very interesting! It’s not often that you can compare different cultures... I have to agree with you that considering your mother’s knowledge and level as a hobby, she is doing very nice job growing it! 👏👏👏👏👏
I agree! 🙂 She has done very well- with a little more light I think hers may even have bloomed! The lack of roots on hers is a bit odd though. But it's alive and not shrivelled so they must be in there somewhere! 🙂
Hi Annabel. I currently have 2 dendrobium phalaenopsis, both of which are from Sa Nook. I love them both dearly because they are so so beautiful. The first one is the Thailand Black variant from Spicesotic. It bloomed for 52 days for me this year (I keep a log to track the data). It is now starting its growth and currently sitting full time in my balcony, outside. The second one is the Blue Happiness variant from Burnham. It is still blooming and therefore it sits inside the house.
They sound lovely 🙂 The Thailand Black is a lovely hybrid, unfortunately I won't be getting any more of these guys, but if I did the Thailand black would be one on the wishlist 🙂
A rosarian 😀 I've never heard that term before- love it! I just maybe wouldn't comment on my mum's dusty leaves to her face 🙃 😆 But joking aside, she is doing really great with this den phal, considering she is a notorious phal killer 😆
Taking into consideration all that you said, I think her Dendrobium still looks quite good! I also find them to be very resilient! My white one lost all its roots but after 5 months in SH it is doing really well. Lots of new roots and new canes. My favorite has to be 'Thailand Black' though :) But I will have to get couple more, they are quite easy to bloom under LED lights and in my opinion, take well to SH and are very simple to care for then. Actually, I do much better with them in SH, the reason why my white one lost all of its roots is... well, me. :D I was massively underwatering it. It would be interesting to also take a look at these two guys next year! :)
I was very surprised that her new growth actually matured bigger than it's previous one! Must be more nutrients in bark than we think! Also she dunks it in little pots she has scattered round to collect rainwater, and they have algae and leaf debris and stuff in them, so maybe there are some nutrients seeping out of that... I don't like to interfere, so I just go round and think up complements for her on her orchids, then leave 😆 occasionally with a rootless phal in one arm to revive and bring back later 😆 Yes they seem super forgiving! Definitely beginner friendly, considering my mum and her penchant for phal killing 😆
The Orchid Room Oh, that makes sense! Especially if you leave rainwater outside for too long you will have algae build up. So I guess she was unknowingly fertilizing them, to some extent 😂 But hey, still alive and not looking too bad, so better not interfere 😂
I repotted it in seramis when I got it and has grown and matured one new cane and after that I didn't absolutely nothing. Didn't grew a single new root for a year. After I repotted into organic medium this year is has finally growing new roots and has a new growth.
Glad it's recovering 🙂 Seramis is very moisture retentive with low air pocket ratio, depending which size you get, so IMO best use in place of moss for fine rooted orchids, like Oncidiinae. The larger size might be great for Den Phals though, higher air ratio. Most of the details with choice of medium is about air pocket ratio to moisture, and how that interacts with your environment and the orchid in question, rather than the substrate itself. Size of the medium used is often the key here in addition to the individual material properties. Seramis- high moisture, low air. LECA- Lower moisture, high air. Lava- high moisture, high air. Pumice- high air, more moisture than LECA, less than seramis and Lava. Lots of materials available to tailor to your conditions 🙂 I'm glad you have found something that works for you 🙂 If you would like to see a wide range of media comparisons, I've done tests on a large variety so far, with more tests on the way. My latest one compared the effect of size on the individual medium properties, in addition to quality: th-cam.com/video/09Inrxr14tQ/w-d-xo.html
My Dendrobium Phalaenopsis put out 3 new growths this year, had 2 growths when I bought last fall. The blooms were a very dark purple and the name is Thailand black, no fragrance. It is now giving me a bloom spike in 2 of the 3 growths and hopefully the 3rd growth will push out a bloom spike. I have it in semi-hydro and with some slow release fertilizer and it gets watered with fertilizer as well. Loves where I have it which is on an east facing window sill which get morning sun and bright light for the whole day. If I see the Banana Chocolate one this year I may purchase it as I love the Dens. Love this video and have a real great day.
Hi Kim! The thailand black is such a lovely hybrid, it sounds like yours is really enjoying your care! I don't think I will get any more den phals, but if I did, I would get the Thailand black and the purple splash enobi 🙂 Those are my two favourites. Have a great day too!
Annabel, many thanks, as novice I just love your videos and this comparison is great to see, however with the difference in pot size I found it more difficult to equate the height difference. For me it may have been better if you were able to adjust the height of each pot so as to align at soil level.
Hi Stephen! Many thanks for your feedback, it's done now though unfortunately, sorry about that. Thats why I picked the pot up and put them on the same level to compare the starting pseudobulbs. I thought at the time it was quite clear, sorry you felt differently 🤷♀️ Maybe just look at the progression from the starting bulbs at the same size to see the difference? Also we are comparing number of growths etc, the size difference on last year's growths is quite dramatic though. Picking the pot up to show the starting pseudobulbs were the same height gives a height reference point, so maybe you can use that difference to help compare? Again, thanks for your feedback, if I do future updates in another year or two I will try and find something to level the pots, rather than just holding them up on the same level to compare.
Hi Annabel, interesting comparison video. Thanks for sharing. I don't have a dendrobium Phalaenopsis, but I do have a few 'soft cane' Dendrobium species - Anosmum, nobile and one Nobile type Rainbow Dance. I was wondering if they too would like Semi Hydro. Do you have any experience or have you seen someone transfer those to SH?
Defo a big difference in the two orchids love to do what you do bab I've just started but I'm a novice at it takes my mind off looking after me mum so plus they cost alot of money so I won't get as far as you bab but do love seeing your videos always Cheers me up n I learn alot so thank you 😘😘
Hi Steven! I've not been growing that long compared to many so I definitely think it's achievable and you can definitely do it! Even small changes can make a big difference, and we all have to learn as we go along 🙂 Best wishes to you and your mum ❤ Thanks for stopping by!
@@TheOrchidRoom hi bab your doing a great job and always wait for you to put up another video I'll get there but I won't have the orchids you got I mean bab they cost alot but great work bab 😘😘😘😘
So funny that you did this, I did something similar with two of my Den Phals, one is in self-watering with New Z spagn moss and the other is in bark, leca and moss mixture. They are both in my south facing window and low and behold, the one in the bark mix is outgrowing the one in self-watering, this has been over the last 15 weeks or so!
Always worth trying out a few methods to find the best one suited to you for your environment! One thing I would say, is that there will always be a 'lag phase' with semi-hydro transitions, as the old roots may fail and the orchid has a dramatic change to adapt to, so you probably won't be able to really compare them until the next set of new growths 🙂 But great to try them and see!
Amazing the difference.... I also see that in my orchid club where the plants that are growing in bark and moss don't seem as healthy as my plants... of course growing in Las Vegas presents a lot of challenges.I'm just lucky I can control my environment better than most of them because they grow on window sills mostly. I'm in the process of designing a free-standing greenhouse....
What is the green one you mentioned? I only have a few Den Phals, but my absolute favorite is also a green with purple veining. That one is Dendrobium Malaysian Green. Photos don't do it justice. The delicate veining is just exquisite! :)
Hi! I have no idea still, it was my most requested ID, but I could never find one! It's in this video th-cam.com/video/b3jFuKtTEW8/w-d-xo.html , you'll probably know which one I mean when you see it- it has a bright lime green centre, fading to a lovely purple 🙂
Hi Annabel, I just wonder if your sa-nook dendrobium phalaenopsis have any setback when you first put it in semi hydro? I bought my sa-nook about a month ago been doing fine in semi hydro until few days ago. Bottom leaves started yellowing. Any ideas what that may be? I placed it on east facing conservatory window sill.
Hi there. No I didn't have any issues, what country and climate are you growing in? Was it making new growths and roots at time of conversion? Temperatures? Any extra information you could provide could help pinpoint the issue.
Thanks very much for your reply ☺️I live in East Scotland and day time temperature in conservatory is around 25 max when it's sunny. I do get some direct sunlight through reflective films lined windows. Night time usually drop to 17/18. One of the small canes has a growing leaf. All roots are white with no green tips. It's my first den/phal I hope it's not dying on me...my other phals , Cambria and oncidiums in S/H generally do okay...
Hi again! No problem at all, I'm afraid I may not be much help though because your conditions sound fine, so there isn't anything obvious sticking out as the cause. It is worth me mentioning, thay while my den phals do fine in semi-hydro, some people do struggle with them. Alot of the commercially available ones come with fungal infections that seem to come out after owning for a few months. I have a few friends who grow similarly to me who struggle with den phals full stop, not just in semi-hydro, and I kind of blame the plants a little. But it could also be some unidentified factor they have that I don't. In general den phals are described as easy, but that doesn't seem to be everyone's experience. I think this could be because they are actually a huge mix of different species in the different hybrids, so one may be 50% bigibbum 50% antelope type, maybe another is only 10% bigibbum and has loads of other types in there that are more fussy. If the roots look OK I would put it down to transition shock and see how it goes. If it keeps losing leaves worth unpotting and seeing what's happening in the root department. Sorry I can't be more help!
I’m not in agreement as far which is better semi hydro or bark mixture. It depends on your environment first of all. Perhaps if the smaller one had more fertilizer & light it would’ve done better. I think you’ve just given more care to your orchid than the other one has had.
That is what I have said... I very carefully and clearly state in this video that this isn't a comparison between semi-hydro and bark, I would never do that as it is *never* so simplistic, but a comparison of overall culture ( 02:34 ) . I go into specifics on comparing the two environments, temperature, compare light and fertiliser. So I'm not sure what there is to disagree on, we are agreeing actually 🤷♀️ It's all in the title (and the video) - culture analysis. Light, fertiliser and watering. *Not* Semi-Hydro vs bark. I'm not sure why you have taken away that this is me saying semi-hydro is better than bark - this is *absolutely* not what I was saying, at all and actually the opposite of what I stand for. My conclusion ( 10:25 ) after describing the two environments in detail in the video, is that light, temperature and fertiliser are key elements in how your orchid will look after a few years. I'm actually really confused by your comment honestly. May I ask if you watched the video through? I don't expect people to watch the full videos at all, really, but I wonder if there is some confusion coming from parts that you skipped? It's totally cool if you did but I can't see how else you disagreed (to be clear, we are agreeing!) by writing what I said in the video haha. Even if we were comparing potting methods- which I am not - It isn't about medium. Its about how air and water ratios interact with your environment, and watering practices influence this. Medium is simply a tool. This whole video is an environment and individual grower comparison, not a potting medium test, which I have a few of if you're interested (maxillaria variabilis being the most in-depth). I hope you'll clarify why you thought I was concluding semi-hydro was better than bark, so that I can address it more specifically! Have a great day!
Hi Annabelle! 🌸 very interesting! Show the difference ticking all the requirement boxes makes but I have to say...your mum did quite well! It’s making me think whether I should invest in lighting for my orchids for the winter. I grow outside in summer and inside in winter. My two East facing widows do not provide enough light for all the orchids during winter, although, they actually get better humidity during the winter. Anyway, great video. Thanks for sharing your experience. Take care! 👋
Hi Joy! I think she did too, these guys are much more forgiving than phalaenopsis in her environment 🙂 So based on that, I think we have a good recommendation here for a beginner friendly orchid too! Hope you are well, thanks for watching! 🙂
Mention the words “Dendrobium Phalaenopsis “ in an Australian Orchid Society and you almost get lynched. We (they) are very specific it’s Phalaenanthe. I got in the habit of saying the former because I hear it said so often on TH-cam videos, I’m more careful these days. By the way, Ive seen these plants grow about 7ft high.
That's why I prefaced by clarifying why I was using the term. Its a common reference point- many people wouldn't understand what I was talking about if I referred to them as Phalaenanthe or Vappodes. I've had people tell me off before for it, and for now I stand by it, as I don't see a better alternative. Other than spending 5 minutes prefacing each video I do on them explaining that I'm talking about what people refer to as den phals, but that's actually incorrect.... I am not an orchid professional, this is just me sharing my hobby. It makes it is easier for people to find the video to use commonly used term, and it makes it easier for the casual grower to understand, so for now, I will continue calling them that and preface each time that I mean bigibbum hybrids 🤷♀️
Luckily, I don't speak to anyone else about orchids out loud, so it's only TH-cam that has to suffer 😆 And the beauty of that is, people that hate it can click off 🙂
They will bloom when the new growth matures at the end of the growing season, sometimes on old growths too 🙂 If they aren't blooming after the new growth has finished, probably not enough light.
🤣 She read an article in the paper , just before the local orchid society 60th anniversary show we went to, where a grower said every day he had a new favourite orchid. So she likes to ask which one is my favourite alot 🙂 When we went to the show, everyone was talking directly to her about the orchids, not to me 🤣 I'm stood there like, ummm, if only they knew how many phals have been murdered in that house 😆
Did you see Astrid's sketch on it? 🤣 I can't even go near big-e-bum after that 🤣🙈 From that, I got that its named after the gibbous moon phase, so it would be a hard g, like you say. But I can't say big bum 🙈🤣 It's so ridiculous 😆 If it offends anyone, I'll call it a gibbon orchid next time 🐵🐒 I flat out refuse the alternative 🍑 Honestly, if is is indeed named after the gibbous moon, then it would be Bi- gibum anyway, without the e sound, so no big bums would be involved. So I was only incorrect in using the hard g instead if the soft g, if that is indeed the case. Which I cannot confirm either way. Maybe go look at the AOS audio name list if its something you want to be sure of 🙂
@@TheOrchidRoom It doesn't offend me in the slightest, I just found it interesting 🙂 I didn't see Astrid's sketch, no.... but I don't think I can give up 'big-e-bum', it's too funny 🙈
Hey guys! In this video we are taking a close look at two Sa-nook Dendrobium 'Phalaenopsis types'. I bought these two around 2.5/3 years ago, at the same time from the same place- both the 'Banana Chocolate' trade name variety. I potted one in bark and gave it as a gift to my mum, and kept one, transitioning it to semi-hydroponics.
Were you surprised looking at my Mum's, which hasn't been fertilised at all?
Honestly, I was, but these guys are super resilient and able to move nutrients around, for the most part. As it gets bigger, I think it may run into some issues? But then we will need to repot and refresh the bark, which will have certain NPK levels contained. I think the lack of blooms from hers are potentially light related. It'll be interesting to see what her new growth does this year!
I think here you can really see how overall culture, not just one specific aspect, can have a big effect on speed of growth 🙂 While good lighting and fertilising may not be essentials to orchid care (in terms of keeping the orchid alive at least), they will certainly help you get to that great specimen size much quicker- and as a consequence, help you to enjoy even more blooms 🙂
My Dendrobium care video from last year: th-cam.com/video/b3jFuKtTEW8/w-d-xo.html
What did you all think about the comparison between the two here? Let me know! I found mums tucked away in a corner, and just had to show you 🙂
Very interesting! It’s not often that you can compare different cultures... I have to agree with you that considering your mother’s knowledge and level as a hobby, she is doing very nice job growing it! 👏👏👏👏👏
I agree! 🙂 She has done very well- with a little more light I think hers may even have bloomed! The lack of roots on hers is a bit odd though. But it's alive and not shrivelled so they must be in there somewhere! 🙂
Hi Annabel. I currently have 2 dendrobium phalaenopsis, both of which are from Sa Nook. I love them both dearly because they are so so beautiful.
The first one is the Thailand Black variant from Spicesotic. It bloomed for 52 days for me this year (I keep a log to track the data). It is now starting its growth and currently sitting full time in my balcony, outside.
The second one is the Blue Happiness variant from Burnham. It is still blooming and therefore it sits inside the house.
They sound lovely 🙂 The Thailand Black is a lovely hybrid, unfortunately I won't be getting any more of these guys, but if I did the Thailand black would be one on the wishlist 🙂
Another fun video. Love it. My mother is a rosarian and she makes comparisons of her roses with mine all the time.
A rosarian 😀 I've never heard that term before- love it! I just maybe wouldn't comment on my mum's dusty leaves to her face 🙃 😆 But joking aside, she is doing really great with this den phal, considering she is a notorious phal killer 😆
Taking into consideration all that you said, I think her Dendrobium still looks quite good! I also find them to be very resilient! My white one lost all its roots but after 5 months in SH it is doing really well. Lots of new roots and new canes. My favorite has to be 'Thailand Black' though :) But I will have to get couple more, they are quite easy to bloom under LED lights and in my opinion, take well to SH and are very simple to care for then. Actually, I do much better with them in SH, the reason why my white one lost all of its roots is... well, me. :D I was massively underwatering it. It would be interesting to also take a look at these two guys next year! :)
I was very surprised that her new growth actually matured bigger than it's previous one! Must be more nutrients in bark than we think! Also she dunks it in little pots she has scattered round to collect rainwater, and they have algae and leaf debris and stuff in them, so maybe there are some nutrients seeping out of that... I don't like to interfere, so I just go round and think up complements for her on her orchids, then leave 😆 occasionally with a rootless phal in one arm to revive and bring back later 😆
Yes they seem super forgiving! Definitely beginner friendly, considering my mum and her penchant for phal killing 😆
The Orchid Room Oh, that makes sense! Especially if you leave rainwater outside for too long you will have algae build up. So I guess she was unknowingly fertilizing them, to some extent 😂 But hey, still alive and not looking too bad, so better not interfere 😂
I repotted it in seramis when I got it and has grown and matured one new cane and after that I didn't absolutely nothing. Didn't grew a single new root for a year. After I repotted into organic medium this year is has finally growing new roots and has a new growth.
Glad it's recovering 🙂 Seramis is very moisture retentive with low air pocket ratio, depending which size you get, so IMO best use in place of moss for fine rooted orchids, like Oncidiinae. The larger size might be great for Den Phals though, higher air ratio. Most of the details with choice of medium is about air pocket ratio to moisture, and how that interacts with your environment and the orchid in question, rather than the substrate itself. Size of the medium used is often the key here in addition to the individual material properties. Seramis- high moisture, low air. LECA- Lower moisture, high air. Lava- high moisture, high air. Pumice- high air, more moisture than LECA, less than seramis and Lava. Lots of materials available to tailor to your conditions 🙂 I'm glad you have found something that works for you 🙂 If you would like to see a wide range of media comparisons, I've done tests on a large variety so far, with more tests on the way. My latest one compared the effect of size on the individual medium properties, in addition to quality: th-cam.com/video/09Inrxr14tQ/w-d-xo.html
My Dendrobium Phalaenopsis put out 3 new growths this year, had 2 growths when I bought last fall. The blooms were a very dark purple and the name is Thailand black, no fragrance. It is now giving me a bloom spike in 2 of the 3 growths and hopefully the 3rd growth will push out a bloom spike. I have it in semi-hydro and with some slow release fertilizer and it gets watered with fertilizer as well. Loves where I have it which is on an east facing window sill which get morning sun and bright light for the whole day. If I see the Banana Chocolate one this year I may purchase it as I love the Dens. Love this video and have a real great day.
Hi Kim! The thailand black is such a lovely hybrid, it sounds like yours is really enjoying your care! I don't think I will get any more den phals, but if I did, I would get the Thailand black and the purple splash enobi 🙂 Those are my two favourites. Have a great day too!
Annabel, many thanks, as novice I just love your videos and this comparison is great to see, however with the difference in pot size I found it more difficult to equate the height difference. For me it may have been better if you were able to adjust the height of each pot so as to align at soil level.
Hi Stephen! Many thanks for your feedback, it's done now though unfortunately, sorry about that. Thats why I picked the pot up and put them on the same level to compare the starting pseudobulbs. I thought at the time it was quite clear, sorry you felt differently 🤷♀️ Maybe just look at the progression from the starting bulbs at the same size to see the difference? Also we are comparing number of growths etc, the size difference on last year's growths is quite dramatic though. Picking the pot up to show the starting pseudobulbs were the same height gives a height reference point, so maybe you can use that difference to help compare? Again, thanks for your feedback, if I do future updates in another year or two I will try and find something to level the pots, rather than just holding them up on the same level to compare.
Hi Annabel, interesting comparison video. Thanks for sharing. I don't have a dendrobium Phalaenopsis, but I do have a few 'soft cane' Dendrobium species - Anosmum, nobile and one Nobile type Rainbow Dance. I was wondering if they too would like Semi Hydro. Do you have any experience or have you seen someone transfer those to SH?
Defo a big difference in the two orchids love to do what you do bab I've just started but I'm a novice at it takes my mind off looking after me mum so plus they cost alot of money so I won't get as far as you bab but do love seeing your videos always Cheers me up n I learn alot so thank you 😘😘
Hi Steven! I've not been growing that long compared to many so I definitely think it's achievable and you can definitely do it! Even small changes can make a big difference, and we all have to learn as we go along 🙂 Best wishes to you and your mum ❤ Thanks for stopping by!
@@TheOrchidRoom hi bab your doing a great job and always wait for you to put up another video I'll get there but I won't have the orchids you got I mean bab they cost alot but great work bab 😘😘😘😘
So funny that you did this, I did something similar with two of my Den Phals, one is in self-watering with New Z spagn moss and the other is in bark, leca and moss mixture. They are both in my south facing window and low and behold, the one in the bark mix is outgrowing the one in self-watering, this has been over the last 15 weeks or so!
Always worth trying out a few methods to find the best one suited to you for your environment! One thing I would say, is that there will always be a 'lag phase' with semi-hydro transitions, as the old roots may fail and the orchid has a dramatic change to adapt to, so you probably won't be able to really compare them until the next set of new growths 🙂 But great to try them and see!
@@TheOrchidRoom Thank you for the advice and HAPPY GROWING!! :)
Amazing the difference.... I also see that in my orchid club where the plants that are growing in bark and moss don't seem as healthy as my plants...
of course growing in Las Vegas presents a lot of challenges.I'm just lucky I can control my environment better than most of them because they grow on window sills mostly. I'm in the process of designing a free-standing greenhouse....
The greenhouse sounds amazing Jane! You'll have to put pictures up when it's done! 😀❤
Very great and informative video!
Thanks! 😀 Thanks for watching it! 🙂
What is the green one you mentioned? I only have a few Den Phals, but my absolute favorite is also a green with purple veining. That one is Dendrobium Malaysian Green. Photos don't do it justice. The delicate veining is just exquisite! :)
Hi! I have no idea still, it was my most requested ID, but I could never find one! It's in this video th-cam.com/video/b3jFuKtTEW8/w-d-xo.html , you'll probably know which one I mean when you see it- it has a bright lime green centre, fading to a lovely purple 🙂
Wow! I can see why! That is absolutely Beautiful!!!!!
Hi Annabel, I just wonder if your sa-nook dendrobium phalaenopsis have any setback when you first put it in semi hydro? I bought my sa-nook about a month ago been doing fine in semi hydro until few days ago. Bottom leaves started yellowing. Any ideas what that may be? I placed it on east facing conservatory window sill.
Hi there. No I didn't have any issues, what country and climate are you growing in? Was it making new growths and roots at time of conversion? Temperatures? Any extra information you could provide could help pinpoint the issue.
Thanks very much for your reply ☺️I live in East Scotland and day time temperature in conservatory is around 25 max when it's sunny. I do get some direct sunlight through reflective films lined windows. Night time usually drop to 17/18.
One of the small canes has a growing leaf. All roots are white with no green tips. It's my first den/phal I hope it's not dying on me...my other phals , Cambria and oncidiums in S/H generally do okay...
Hi again! No problem at all, I'm afraid I may not be much help though because your conditions sound fine, so there isn't anything obvious sticking out as the cause. It is worth me mentioning, thay while my den phals do fine in semi-hydro, some people do struggle with them. Alot of the commercially available ones come with fungal infections that seem to come out after owning for a few months. I have a few friends who grow similarly to me who struggle with den phals full stop, not just in semi-hydro, and I kind of blame the plants a little. But it could also be some unidentified factor they have that I don't. In general den phals are described as easy, but that doesn't seem to be everyone's experience. I think this could be because they are actually a huge mix of different species in the different hybrids, so one may be 50% bigibbum 50% antelope type, maybe another is only 10% bigibbum and has loads of other types in there that are more fussy. If the roots look OK I would put it down to transition shock and see how it goes. If it keeps losing leaves worth unpotting and seeing what's happening in the root department. Sorry I can't be more help!
I hope it's transition shock too😊 Thanks very much for your time! Love your channel!
By the way, I love that backdrop! :D
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I’m not in agreement as far which is better semi hydro or bark mixture. It depends on your environment first of all. Perhaps if the smaller one had more fertilizer & light it would’ve done better. I think you’ve just given more care to your orchid than the other one has had.
That is what I have said... I very carefully and clearly state in this video that this isn't a comparison between semi-hydro and bark, I would never do that as it is *never* so simplistic, but a comparison of overall culture ( 02:34 ) . I go into specifics on comparing the two environments, temperature, compare light and fertiliser. So I'm not sure what there is to disagree on, we are agreeing actually 🤷♀️ It's all in the title (and the video) - culture analysis. Light, fertiliser and watering. *Not* Semi-Hydro vs bark.
I'm not sure why you have taken away that this is me saying semi-hydro is better than bark - this is *absolutely* not what I was saying, at all and actually the opposite of what I stand for. My conclusion ( 10:25 ) after describing the two environments in detail in the video, is that light, temperature and fertiliser are key elements in how your orchid will look after a few years. I'm actually really confused by your comment honestly. May I ask if you watched the video through? I don't expect people to watch the full videos at all, really, but I wonder if there is some confusion coming from parts that you skipped? It's totally cool if you did but I can't see how else you disagreed (to be clear, we are agreeing!) by writing what I said in the video haha. Even if we were comparing potting methods- which I am not - It isn't about medium. Its about how air and water ratios interact with your environment, and watering practices influence this. Medium is simply a tool. This whole video is an environment and individual grower comparison, not a potting medium test, which I have a few of if you're interested (maxillaria variabilis being the most in-depth). I hope you'll clarify why you thought I was concluding semi-hydro was better than bark, so that I can address it more specifically! Have a great day!
congratulations!!
Thanks 🙂
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Thanks Ian! 😁😁😁
Are you going to dust it off and fertilize it before you send it back to Mom?
It's her plant, not my place to interfere 🤷♀️ She may get offended at the implication. I'll try and give it some subtle adjustments 😉
Hi Annabelle! 🌸 very interesting! Show the difference ticking all the requirement boxes makes but I have to say...your mum did quite well! It’s making me think whether I should invest in lighting for my orchids for the winter. I grow outside in summer and inside in winter. My two East facing widows do not provide enough light for all the orchids during winter, although, they actually get better humidity during the winter. Anyway, great video. Thanks for sharing your experience. Take care! 👋
Hi Joy! I think she did too, these guys are much more forgiving than phalaenopsis in her environment 🙂 So based on that, I think we have a good recommendation here for a beginner friendly orchid too! Hope you are well, thanks for watching! 🙂
Mention the words “Dendrobium Phalaenopsis “ in an Australian Orchid Society and you almost get lynched.
We (they) are very specific it’s Phalaenanthe. I got in the habit of saying the former because I hear it said so often on TH-cam videos, I’m more careful these days.
By the way, Ive seen these plants grow about 7ft high.
That's why I prefaced by clarifying why I was using the term. Its a common reference point- many people wouldn't understand what I was talking about if I referred to them as Phalaenanthe or Vappodes. I've had people tell me off before for it, and for now I stand by it, as I don't see a better alternative. Other than spending 5 minutes prefacing each video I do on them explaining that I'm talking about what people refer to as den phals, but that's actually incorrect.... I am not an orchid professional, this is just me sharing my hobby. It makes it is easier for people to find the video to use commonly used term, and it makes it easier for the casual grower to understand, so for now, I will continue calling them that and preface each time that I mean bigibbum hybrids 🤷♀️
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Must admit I still say and think of them as Den Phals too. So long as I don’t say it at a meeting, lol.
Luckily, I don't speak to anyone else about orchids out loud, so it's only TH-cam that has to suffer 😆 And the beauty of that is, people that hate it can click off 🙂
How do you get them into bloom? 😥
They will bloom when the new growth matures at the end of the growing season, sometimes on old growths too 🙂 If they aren't blooming after the new growth has finished, probably not enough light.
"my mom doesn't really like them"
and you're still talking to her? 😉 😘
🤣 She read an article in the paper , just before the local orchid society 60th anniversary show we went to, where a grower said every day he had a new favourite orchid. So she likes to ask which one is my favourite alot 🙂 When we went to the show, everyone was talking directly to her about the orchids, not to me 🤣 I'm stood there like, ummm, if only they knew how many phals have been murdered in that house 😆
@@TheOrchidRoom not murder, suicide
I've definitely not pronounced bigibbum like that...
I don't think I've ever said it aloud, but in my head... it's definitely big-e-bum...
@@danielm.1441 In my head as well! I thought I was the only one 😂
Did you see Astrid's sketch on it? 🤣 I can't even go near big-e-bum after that 🤣🙈 From that, I got that its named after the gibbous moon phase, so it would be a hard g, like you say. But I can't say big bum 🙈🤣 It's so ridiculous 😆 If it offends anyone, I'll call it a gibbon orchid next time 🐵🐒 I flat out refuse the alternative 🍑 Honestly, if is is indeed named after the gibbous moon, then it would be Bi- gibum anyway, without the e sound, so no big bums would be involved. So I was only incorrect in using the hard g instead if the soft g, if that is indeed the case. Which I cannot confirm either way. Maybe go look at the AOS audio name list if its something you want to be sure of 🙂
@@TheOrchidRoom It doesn't offend me in the slightest, I just found it interesting 🙂
I didn't see Astrid's sketch, no.... but I don't think I can give up 'big-e-bum', it's too funny 🙈
I just hear Astrid in my head everytime bigibbum is brought up. No Biggie Bums 🙈🤣 It's given me a complex.