Answering the Question “Can I Wait For My #1 Job”. (Air Force)
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- This is your answer to the question of “can I wait for my number 1 job” in the Air Force. This is answered from a recruiter stand point and this is exactly how I answer my applicants that I work with.
This video goes a bit into deal as to where this thought come from historically and the hard answer to the question. Please subscribe and I look forward to your questions and comments.
Have a great Air Force day!
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It’s not the recruiter’s fault, but the recruiting system itself is flawed. Many are pursuing, or already have STEM degrees, that want to work in a certain field for the military and gain experience on the way. I understand your argument about “entitled people,” but they are more inclined to be passionate about their job and out-preform an enlisted who lacks interest in their assigned field. If high demand is the issue, we should go off an apply, screen, and wait basis to ensure the best and most qualified people end up in their respective roles. Now, it’s more of a “right time and place” system that’s based more on luck and availability than qualification or skill. That’s why we have Computer Science graduates working as Weather Officers instead of Space Operations Officers. This fact alone, deters and discourages many *overqualified* candidates from joining, who would otherwise make a great addition to the force. They’d take the pay cut and serve their country if it meant they could work in their field of choice, but they can’t, instead, they opt for professional careers in the private sector. There’s a simple solution to this problem, and its implementation would result in a far more efficient military.
That’s literally the boat I’m in right now. It seems the army may let me take the ASVAB and other required test multiple times to get the score I need for my one job right after I graduate with a degree in cybersecurity. Unless my recruiter lied to me either way I don’t have to sign the dotted line.
Don't sign until you get your #1 job like he said its his job to get you Recruited never said its his job to get you the job you want. if a Recruiter says no you cant wait go to a different Recruiter
😂😂😂 good luck, if you are not a recruiter... you have no idea how this process works. You should keep your comments to yourself, as you’re clearing not a recruiter. Good luck out there keyboard warrior
@@airforcerecruiter3662 I'm sorry bud what do you get paid todo? also from what it sounds like that if I decide that I don't wanna join at the last minute it gets you in trouble so how is it anyone's problems but yours. maybe you should do a better job and get people the jobs they want instead of just telling them they cant get it because you just want to them to go to boot camp so you get paid and have an easy job
@@airforcerecruiter3662 😂🤣 Good luck out there as a sh*zzy recruiter, baby. USAF vet here. Stop lying to people. It's in your interest to NOT have people waiting for their jobs. It's in their interest TO WAIT FOR THEIR JOBS. The recruits hold all the cards/power. Deal with it.
Doubt if the other recruiter will help you. He will call the other recruiter finding out the scoop why you are coming to him. Once he finds out you are interested in only 1 job then he will dismiss you.
Awesome helpful video! Keep it up Sgt King!
Thank you sir, I've decided that I will end up doing an Aptitude Contract in Electrical. I believe this will be the best possible result for me.
Thanks for the information Sgt.
Thank you for the information. Been in the DEP program for the past 3 months and can’t wait to just get a job even if it’s an open contract. Definitely appreciate this video.
Open contract = getting screwed. Don't do it.
Great explanation, sir. Thanks for the video.
I’m waiting for Dental job cuz I ain’t tryna sign up for job just to get filled in a spot as a body if I’m signing a contract I want the job I’m gonna enjoy and be most useful
7 months later, how did that work out for you? Did you get dental?
@@airforcerecruiter3662 Id like to know as well
@@airforcerecruiter3662 I doubt he did. My recruiter just told me today Dental is one of the jobs they rarely get in. Which was fine for me as I have ZERO interest in Dental or any medical related job.
Keep holding out. You're doing the right thing. Of course this recruiter won't like it cuz he's a child and it's against his best interest. So he'll keep crying about it. 🤣
@@cw4623 Doubt if he will cry about it. He will move on to other people who are interested. There are a lot of other people who want to join who are open to many career fields.
I have a question, if you score high on a specific subject on the ASVAB will it make it easier to choose an open contract in that subject such as "General" or "Mechanical"? I scored a 72 on General and i know that the General subject has lots of Medical jobs; i am very interested in a Medical job, so do you think that i would have a higher chance of choosing a "General Open Contract"?
It sounds like that i suppose to sign the job that i dont want to do for 4 or 6 years
I’ve been waiting 6 months and I finally got a job and I leave in December, however the job wasn’t on my list at all and It’s in the mechanical area and I scored in the 40s for that area. My overall score was almost 90. I asked my recruiter if there’s any other jobs because I’m not qualified for this job because it says you need to have prior knowledge and he said that there isn’t any other jobs.
I'm sorry you belived him...
Bro fr u good now tho?
I guess that's how people end up joing the army
Kiara E the Army is much different in many ways. We are two completely different branches in the way we function and operate. Don’t feel down, I’ve had people wait for almost a year. But not for their #1, just for 1 of their top picks.
@@airforcerecruiter3662 why did it take so long ?
Kiara E this person had low ASVAB scores and had a mark down on the physical at MEPs, so they where only qualified for 3 jobs. It took myself and my boss a long time to get our hands on one of the specific jobs.
There is a reason that normally you will only find 1 AF recruiter to every 8 Army recruiters.
He took his welding certification to the recruiter so we are hoping that he can get the metal technology job.
I hope so too!
AFMAN 36-2032 Para 2.4.3.2.2: Recruiters will not order or otherwise force applicants to report for active duty or EAD who:
2.4.3.2.2.1 enlist in the delayed enlistment program (DEP)
Can you point me to the AFI/AFMAN/AFGM that states a recruit is unable to decline a job that is offered to them while in the delayed enlistment program? Thanks.
Didn’t say you can not decline a job, but why would we work with someone who declined a job they already agreed to? Someone who goes back on their word does not seem to be Air Force material. Now if you got offered a job that you don’t have on your list, that shouldn’t be a problem. BUT, if it’s on your list and you say no to it, I cut people, and most recruiters do.
You're correct. A recruit can ALWAYS refuse. Life happens. If you change your mind or the job doesn't suit you after all, you are more than welcome and able to decline it. You'll piss off the cry-baby recruiters who will say "you aren't AF material" to try and justify their frustration at you exercising your own agency and using your brain. 😂
Anyone know if paralegal is hard to get
I just got in the DEP, but I’m currently finishing my last semester in college. I won’t be able to leave until late December since I graduate December 10th, 2020. But I definitely want to get my bachelors before I join so I will go in as in E3 but will I get dropped?
Manny Martinez get dropped from what? You don’t need a BA for E3, just 45 credits.
Air Force Recruiter I know sir but I would like my bachelors degree before I leave. I just wouldn’t want my recruiter to drop me or something for waiting too long since I won’t be eligible until late December
Hey I have a question I just took the picat and I qualify for all jobs I’ll barely go to meps. I choose 27 jobs in total 22 of them are 2A jobs do you think I could be leaving in less than 3 months?
Alejandro isaac sounds like it to me. I’m if the cards fall in your favor just right.
Most of my jobs were 2A and mechanical aptitude area and I waited 3 months in DEP. I leave next year in January
My son is working on going in right now. He is a welder and he wants to be a Metal Tech. Do you know if that job is difficult to get?
It’s not too bad, though he still needs to be open to other jobs. If he has certifications in welding I would take those to his recruiter and see what they can do.
Very informative and good information video !! Greetings from Puerto Rico !!
I'm confused. You said if they offer you job #8 on your list and you say no then you're kicked out but don't you only find out your job when you're already in Basic?
Generally, you are told which jobs are available after you take your ASVAB and have your day at MEPS. At that point, you can either accept or decline the offer. All of this is before BMT
@@ChrisHavok Thanks
@@ChrisHavokso in active duty you’ll already know what your job is? I thought you wright out a list and just hope for the best. Please explain! Thank you :)
do you have the option to list less than 10 jobs or is 10 the minimum?
10 is what my unit requires. That can change depending on recruiting location, ive seen people only listing 8.
Hey! As an recruiter, do you believe Diagnostic Imaging is career that is on the rise? From the labor statistic, it says there is gunna be a lot more Job opening in that career, do you believe it’s true?
This is a job I would like
What’s the required score for it?
I scored a 33 the first time , my recruiter said I qualified for a chaplain assistant which I would love ❤️ he said that it wouldn’t open or hardley does ? Is that true
I asked about the same job but it looks like it’s one you can only get when your in the Air Force ? Maybe the recruiter can elaborate. I also checked with the navy and it’s just about the same thing they said
I got a quick question Sgt. King!
I took the asvab and received a 95 how does it work with Air traffic control sir? Can you wait for this job on DEP?
johnny hendricks ouch, good question. Congratulations btw. Well the recruiter life tells me to tell you no, but it is commonly needed. I’d talk to your recruiter and see what they say. Currently I’d say no, but that job does come down. It’s not unattainable
@@airforcerecruiter3662 thank you so much! Does that mean it is pretty full at the moment? How often do they need people for ATC if you dont mind... thank you for your time as well!!
@@johnnyhendricks6116 put it on your list, it comes up from time to time. It’s often needed
@@airforcerecruiter3662 thank you for the information!! Video was really helpful and thanks for the quick answers!! Thank you sir!
@@johnnyhendricks6116 Hey Johnny did you get to be a ATC and if so how long did you wait and how did you convince you recruiter to let you wait for it? I've done apprenticeship and got a 72 on the asvab, are ATC's still in demand? Also what jobs are super hard to get to fill the rest of my jobs with jobs that I won't get recruited for...?
I have a Digital Media certification, I’m 26. Still looking to join and wanted to do some thing with media in the Air Force, does this count for something different and let me get a job in that field?
No lol, I work for ESPN, have a degree in film production and I’m going in the electrical field. It’s better to diversify yourself.
Sergio Avalos I get that but I did talk to a recruiter and they said it does help if you want to go in a certain field. But I appreciate the advice.
Trumpedd Gaming it helps when you’re in tech school doing the actual job but recruiters can’t guarantee a job for you, especially in the Air Force. But I mean, if you’re able to then that’s awesome!
Sergio Avalos yeah I’m open to other jobs so it’s no biggie. Even if I can’t get it right away I’m cool to help the Air Force with certain needs.
@@michaelberishaj2664 That recruiter sounds like they are full of it. The air force other branch doesn't care about that. They will put a person with an master's in engineering in Security Forces if that is where they need you. They don't place people based on their skills (degree or certifications) they mostly go by their scores on the test. And the scores only see if you qualify. The guy in video already mentioned that scoring high on the test in that catagory doesn't raise your chances of getting the job either.
Is cross training to their #1 a better option for recruits once their in?
This
Are you able to sign a contract before going to basic if there is a job opening that you want?
Yes! Always sign your contract before shipping out.
Yeah my recruiter told me I can’t wait
They always say that. Because it's in their interest to lie to you and get as many bodies through as possible. You can wait. And should always wait.
What about security forces my recruiter told me I can’t wait for security forces is this true
Amazing Dlow Dlow unfortunately this is true, but I would keep your head up, that’s a pretty needed job at this time.
My man, you will NEVER have to wait for SecFo. They are ALWAYS recruiting for this position. You'd only have to wait a week.
@@cw4623 3 years ago
If you meet qualifications for a job does having any higher of a asvab give you a better chance?
Also how long of a wait do you expect for a ATC?
No on the ASVAB question, and about 6-8 months
@@airforcerecruiter3662 its just dependant on the recruiter how long he will let you wait on DEP for right? for example I got a 91 on the asvab and a dream of Being an ATC like few of my family members, do you think many recruiters would allow a 17 year old to wait for his job with these circumstances? Or do you think I need to include medical and administrative jobs on the list to make it more likely for this job to come up first? Thanks for you opinion and I wish you the best (:
Thank you for the video. I am a licensed Massage Therapist. Long Term goal is to become a Physical Therapist.
I see you all have an entry level position called (Physical Medicine 4J0X2). I understand from the video that jobs are not guaranteed. However, do you know if there is any availability for that job. And how likely it is on average for someone to land it?
Very unlikely
Lol I declined and 2 weeks later got a call saying I got my number 1 job
Wait so how come there’s people that they find out about their job at basic? I’m going active and don’t wanna create a list. I want the #1 job I choose. Know what I mean?
What things can disqualified me on meps? Im worried by a couple of things incluiding pectus carinatum and flat feet. No pain no nothing I can do everything but still worried about not making it in. Btw does you have dates where specific tech schools starts? Are mechanical jobs easy to find? Thank u so much!
If you don't have any pain, than don't worry about it. If you have pain than it might be a problem. I have flat feet too. But the doctor just marks whether you have pain or not. If you say you have no pain that they likely don't consider it a problem.
Lol… so the answer is yes. But most recruiters don’t want you to
Thank you for this video. It’s very informative. I do have a question though. I’m a civilian Firefighter/EMT- I’m interested in doing Fire protection in the Air Force. Firefighting is my passion, and all I realistically strive to be. If I qualify, would my competency, experience and certifications make me more likely to land this job?
Mag Rhino this is a “grey” area, what I will say is to go talk to a local recruiter and ask if a “COI” is possible with your experience. A COI letter can be used to make an exception for you, but it is not promised. I hope this helps :)
Air Force Recruiter Thank you sir. Seeing him later this week. Look forward to more of your videos!
@@Eminence1996 what was the results? My son only wants to be in fire protection and we are trying to increase his chances.
@@jerrelncbg6240 how'd it go?
@@showery1376 he decided not to enlist.
So what I’m hearing is you and most other recruiters are more worried about how you look on paper then making sure someone is happy in the military. Especially considering is a volunteer job.
Yep! They're desperate to shove as many people unhappily into the AF, so they lie and coerce and tell you you can't wait for jobs when you 100% can. If your recruiter feeds you this BS go to another recruiter. Or report them to their superior. They hate when you do that. 🤣
No wonder the military is losing young people 🤡
Exactly!
Good stuff.
14 months those are rookie numbers been waiting 16 months plus with no end in sight 😅
Silent treatment 253 oh man :( this COVID thing is making things wild
I've only been waiting 2 months, I guess we will see what happens
Kiara E it is worth the wait, :) please let me know if you have any questions. You got this!
don't listen to this guy for enlistment advice
Facts. He is a shiesty guy 😂
He’s right everyone you can’t wait for the job you want….Oh wait unless you have a big bro that’s a recruiter 🥸. Quality content. Thanks for informing us on how the Air Force is not looking for privileged people. Definitely doesn’t have any in it right now.