It's nice since Lab coat 21s B assist is barrier. Though for hers, since it's pink it may not help to make the DR as well. Either way, a triple barrier team just sounds fun lol
Great video! Barrier, especially 18 A, is so different to a regular assist that it's got a high learning curve as opposed to a regular assist, but it's one of the strongest in the game if you master it! Barrier gets a lot of mileage out of using it to cover moves and specials that are usually negative and prevent your opponent from instinctually taking their turn back, you broke it down really well!
Yo this is so useful and comprehensive. Really got a knack for making great "explained" tutorials! Android 17 is my fav dbfz character and I'll definitely incorporate these knowledge into my game play!
@@NovaZayn I got two videos showcasing A and B assist called at same time, literally the only thing that affects it is how long the assist takes to complete as the cooldown timer starts later the more time the assist takes to complete, not whether it's an A or B assist. Only C assists have different cooldowns. th-cam.com/video/dBalmdg37Dc/w-d-xo.html In this case Piccolo A takes longer to return off cooldown because it's longer than Cell B, you can tell both have the same cooldown overall though as both of the cooldown timers travel at the same speed. th-cam.com/video/9jqGMce-BiM/w-d-xo.html In this case UI B recovers a bit later than 16 A due to the same reason, both timers are clearly travelling at the same speed. Could you please make a pinned comment clarifying that error? B assists having longer cooldowns also doesn't make much sense, as most B assists are essentially just sidegrades to A assists, and there's a lot of assists that function very similar (Yamcha A + Adult Gohan B, Piccolo A + 16 B, SSJ Goku A + Trunks B as examples) despite being A and B, and it would make little sense if these assists, most of the time not better than the A variation also had longer cooldowns.
Simple version: press anything you want whether it whiffs connects is minus or unsafe whether or not your opponent is pressing something or is plus and barrier will eat it and give you the hit
A and B assists have the same cooldown. The only thing that leads to them recovering at different times is the duration of the assist as the cooldown only starts once the assist leaves. This is really easy to test in training mode. Please make sure you test things out properly before you make claims like that.
I have a question, how do you deal with roshi B assist cause it hits me a lot since it takes up a large amount of space for some time and it's annoying to deal with?
Roshi B is tough to move around. You can try to reflect it before the first hit makes contact, but sometimes you have to be ready to just block it if you’re in zone 1. It’s better than getting hit. If you can, SJ away and try to bait them to call the assist by doing things like dash jump forward into air dash back, or float above them into a lariat move to create space.
I love 17s barriers I’ve been running it with kefla and janemba I see why 18 is better with Keflas 214s cause it tanks more hits and 17s only tanks like 1 or 2 plus I just enjoy playing 17 more then 18 even though she’s strong as well lol
Hahaha I meant blinding guessing; I've heard many online YTers say that for advice (not naming names) and they usually waste the assist. The french don't guess, they strategically use it after layers. For example, they'd call it after 4LL, after 5S, etc bc those are parts that they previously used to reset. It might look like they're guessing if you're not aware of their pressure!
Ur body has to be fully covered by the barrier, including your head for overheads (like Z.Broly's standing head wouldn't be protected) and your feet. Having your body in the barrier but your feet is outside of it is a common mistake that leaves you open to 2Ms and lows
@@NovaZayn okok, and one more question, if the barrier assist blocks the enemy, is it good to now attack them once theres an opening or let 17 assist do the work
@@kurokaen1234 you can 2M/5M/2H for best punishes, especially with 18. 17’s can ruin that for you because of the scaling. Letting it hit is safer, but will heavily reduce your combo’s damage compared to using a M after 18 barrier
@@NovaZayn ok, i’ll keep that in mind, thanks for the tips because i use 17 a lot and i be feeling like barrier be getting hit thru and i wasnt entirely sure of i could put in a 2M or 5M to punish it when they hit the barrier
7:14 Clarification: A & B assists both have the same cool down period
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It's nice since Lab coat 21s B assist is barrier. Though for hers, since it's pink it may not help to make the DR as well. Either way, a triple barrier team just sounds fun lol
Great video. Most of the 17 videos I found don't talk about how to use his A assist effectively in those kind of situations. Thanks a lot !
Yea I’m surprised that I haven’t seen a video talking about this! I saw people actually saying this assist was bad, so I had to clear up how to use it
Amazing guide!
PD: Extreme Butoden music makes me feel so nostalgic
Thank you!! Such an iconic soundtrack for real I love it
Just picking up 17 and needed this video
Love to see it
Commented. Liked. Subscribed. This channel is dropping knowledge and I'm here for it. Keep up the work!!
Ah tysm, welcome to the channel!
Extreme Budoten Ost usage? Man this brought back memories. Great vid man.
Thank you! It honestly has a goated soundtrack
@@NovaZayn indeed it does.
YES. Barrier assists are super strong and underrated.
Exactly!! I hate it when people underplay this assist because they don’t understand it
Way to go
Breaking down a wierd assist as if it was nothing
Your way of teaching is glorious as always
Good job! 😁
Ahhh thank you!! Greatly appreciated:)
cleeaaaan video once again. You explain things so well man thanks!
Thank you! Glad you liked it
Speaking of 18…I would love to see a video on her. I feel like you break down characters and what to do with them the best🔥
I was going too, but I decided to wait after the patches come!
Great video! Barrier, especially 18 A, is so different to a regular assist that it's got a high learning curve as opposed to a regular assist, but it's one of the strongest in the game if you master it!
Barrier gets a lot of mileage out of using it to cover moves and specials that are usually negative and prevent your opponent from instinctually taking their turn back, you broke it down really well!
Yeah it takes a different mindset to use them effectively for sure. Thank you!!
Yo this is so useful and comprehensive. Really got a knack for making great "explained" tutorials! Android 17 is my fav dbfz character and I'll definitely incorporate these knowledge into my game play!
Thank you so much!! I’m glad you learned something. I think 17 is super cool, go kill it!
Man i was literally just wondering how to use this assist, Thanks!
Haha great timing! Glad you enjoyed it
Thank you again for another video sensei
Thank you for all your support!
i used to use 18 assist to cover beerus autocombo side switch, such a fun assist. great video
Honestly! Thank you🙏
A video has never made more sense
Thank you:)
good video you made me wanna play 17 with bardock
Ouu sounds like a fun team
A assists recover faster than B assists? I never knew.
Lmao yup
I'm 100% sure this isn't true but i need to get a video of it to prove it, wait a bit
@@namesurname6000 They literally stated the times when the assists came out lol
@@NovaZayn I got two videos showcasing A and B assist called at same time, literally the only thing that affects it is how long the assist takes to complete as the cooldown timer starts later the more time the assist takes to complete, not whether it's an A or B assist. Only C assists have different cooldowns.
th-cam.com/video/dBalmdg37Dc/w-d-xo.html In this case Piccolo A takes longer to return off cooldown because it's longer than Cell B, you can tell both have the same cooldown overall though as both of the cooldown timers travel at the same speed.
th-cam.com/video/9jqGMce-BiM/w-d-xo.html In this case UI B recovers a bit later than 16 A due to the same reason, both timers are clearly travelling at the same speed.
Could you please make a pinned comment clarifying that error?
B assists having longer cooldowns also doesn't make much sense, as most B assists are essentially just sidegrades to A assists, and there's a lot of assists that function very similar (Yamcha A + Adult Gohan B, Piccolo A + 16 B, SSJ Goku A + Trunks B as examples) despite being A and B, and it would make little sense if these assists, most of the time not better than the A variation also had longer cooldowns.
@@NovaZayn what?
Looking to try Base 21 B with piccolo, thanks for the lesson Master Nova.
Sounds great fam! You really the last piccolo main left fr😭
Great vid. 👍
Thank you🙏🙏
1:43 it’s funny because this is how i use barrier and it still works
Lmaooo
Very good video even if its easier to punish with 18 shield...
Thank you!
Great video! Can you do one about dp assists?
Thank you! Hmm perhaps in the near future
Simple version: press anything you want whether it whiffs connects is minus or unsafe whether or not your opponent is pressing something or is plus and barrier will eat it and give you the hit
A and B assists have the same cooldown. The only thing that leads to them recovering at different times is the duration of the assist as the cooldown only starts once the assist leaves. This is really easy to test in training mode. Please make sure you test things out properly before you make claims like that.
Thank you!
I have a question, how do you deal with roshi B assist cause it hits me a lot since it takes up a large amount of space for some time and it's annoying to deal with?
Roshi B is tough to move around. You can try to reflect it before the first hit makes contact, but sometimes you have to be ready to just block it if you’re in zone 1. It’s better than getting hit. If you can, SJ away and try to bait them to call the assist by doing things like dash jump forward into air dash back, or float above them into a lariat move to create space.
Awesome vid
Thank you!
I love 17s barriers I’ve been running it with kefla and janemba I see why 18 is better with Keflas 214s cause it tanks more hits and 17s only tanks like 1 or 2 plus I just enjoy playing 17 more then 18 even though she’s strong as well lol
Exactly even if an assist is slightly better, gotta factor in other aspects of the gameplay & personal enjoyment of course!
@@NovaZayn yeah I look at 17s as a Swiss Army knife lol
at 1:47 "you shouldn't guess when the opponent might mash" French players enter the chat :D
Hahaha I meant blinding guessing; I've heard many online YTers say that for advice (not naming names) and they usually waste the assist. The french don't guess, they strategically use it after layers. For example, they'd call it after 4LL, after 5S, etc bc those are parts that they previously used to reset. It might look like they're guessing if you're not aware of their pressure!
Idk if u still reply here but sometimes i get hit thru my barrier, any possible explanations why? (I use 17 barrier assist)
Ur body has to be fully covered by the barrier, including your head for overheads (like Z.Broly's standing head wouldn't be protected) and your feet. Having your body in the barrier but your feet is outside of it is a common mistake that leaves you open to 2Ms and lows
@@NovaZayn okok, and one more question, if the barrier assist blocks the enemy, is it good to now attack them once theres an opening or let 17 assist do the work
@@kurokaen1234 you can 2M/5M/2H for best punishes, especially with 18. 17’s can ruin that for you because of the scaling. Letting it hit is safer, but will heavily reduce your combo’s damage compared to using a M after 18 barrier
@@NovaZayn ok, i’ll keep that in mind, thanks for the tips because i use 17 a lot and i be feeling like barrier be getting hit thru and i wasnt entirely sure of i could put in a 2M or 5M to punish it when they hit the barrier
And jus put a button in while the push back of 17’s barrier counter will hit it also
This is a great guide!
Glad you enjoyed it!