I barely started learning fighterz today and I wanted to main 18. I’ve watched a beginner guide on bread n butter combos and the basics, moving onto an 18 specific guide and I’m already infinitely better than when I started. This is the first time I’ve actually learned to play a fighting game and it feels great seeing I’m not a complete beginner anymore
I know I'm 2 months too late, but I'm in the same boat! Albeit I'm not good just yet, aha. You should watch a vid from Mister Acolyte about Neutral if you got the time. Seeing as you barely started back then, maybe it'll help? It definitely helped me a lot, aha. I know, with what 18 is capable of, it'll help make getting into the mix easier too. Just trying to help out a fellow newcomer!! I hope you're getting a bunch of wins, man:)
I don't know when was the last time I left a comment on TH-cam, but I will do it now to say that this is EXACTLY how a guide for a character should be. CONGRATULATIONS
yesterday i was like "im gonna learn android 18" and i checked your channel for a guide but there was no android 18 guide and not 24 hours later there is the guide lol
Good video! Something I was hoping to see was options using 214H Oki if the opponent chooses to reflect. There doesn't seem to be safe options that just aren't hard callouts.
@@AmericanxLegendz Grabs and DR work, but they also generally have to immediately reflect so the barrier call instead works fine. Reflect is always a mindgame and hard read.
Sorry if it has been asked and answered before but, what do you use to make your vids? I find them extremely well made, easy to follow and excellently explained. It's kinda sad that whenever I watch guides for other games it's just a replay of them in training mode with no explanation whatsoever, or explained but in a way that seems made up at the moment. I would like to see a "TinyTorgue guide to making guides".
I use Premiere Pro and Photoshop when it's needed, as for the explanation part I just have a good feeling of what people need in DBFZ. I've seen several of my friends go through the beginning steps, but it really helps that FighterZ is so nicely streamlined and clear.
Her loop at 17:16 i can hit all 3 but im having a problem connecting the final 5L before the key blast... is the 4th one the same or do you have to delay or?
I'm been playing nappa for a while , I figure some combos myself but don't know if they are good🤣🤣 Since I started to watch your guides I don't watch anyone's guides anymore lol
All they needed to do is Buff her grabs range, Fix her j2h to normal, and less recovery on her 17 calls so she can solo confirm without vanish.... Mix is cool until everyone is mashing full screen buttons and you cant close the gap solo.... why is her B assist below average on block stun, would that break her to make it normal?? or her ex 17 to track? that would make her too strong huh bc thatd be too cheap for a full bar on #18? Why cant 17 deflect ki blasts like the ginyu calls? whats the real point of her distructo disk blast ? This character is strong but too much work when other characters do the same yet they risk less and benefit more? what gives? Great Video tho!!!! hopefully more people pick her up and she gets to be where he belongs S rank not broken but top tier forsure
The grabs are fine, the Light version is literally unreactable and the other two have enough range. Speed up j2H I agree with. The recovery decrease on 17 could have insane consequences for her mix, we don't want that. If you're playing 18 solo you fucked up. B assist isn't too bad, it could use a small buff though. EX 17 tracks already except on self activation, which is entirely unneccessary. I'm not sure about 17 deflecting Ki Blasts, but it's not like that buff will actually help her. You're not calling 17 in neutral most of the time, except for 214S which spawns behind her anyways. If by disc blast you mean the little explosion that happens when it hits the floor, I saw that there is a way to curve it in a way where you can actually frametrap 2H with a full screen SD after 236S. Otherwise no reason to worry about it. She's rather easy to pick up actually, but you need really good universal movement to get the most out of her.
7:36 I was so upset they nerfed A21s level 3, look I'm not a sweaty fight to win junkie, but when I have played the same character(literally never got out of my team, ever) 4 years in a row it's just maddening that my muscle memory fucks me up cause she went from having a top tier level 3 super to a bottom one, probably the worst in the game, fuck me dead.
Do you have any tips for how to learn delay on combos for the loops? Is there a knack to how to practice that or is it just keep trying until you get a feel for it? I have managed a couple of times but I feel like it's not consistent and I've been at it for like 2 hours haha. Probably a stupid question but just thought I'd ask in case I'm wasting time by missing something to help
I think what would be good is for you to have a general playstyle description before going over a character's normals This way, if someone doesn't "fw" the character, they don't have to watch that far into the video
16:57 has this been changed at all or am I just bad. If I try to do the blasts it either does a js or by the time I hit the ground they've already fallen out
Every time I try to jump after 2M5M, she short jumps. Using the PS4 dpad sucks and I don't know why it's short jumping with joystick. I've done so many 2M5M into a jump and now when I want to do any of these combos, I can't jump higher.
I dont know what you mean by short jump, there isnt a thing like that. You can superjump, but you dont have to for these combos. Make sure youre jumping towards the enemy, not just straight up otherwise you'll likely whiff buttons.
For the non smash loops, I can't land the 5l consistently on the third loop. I was wondering if you were tilting the disc or if I should put a delay on the start of a new loop.
the third loop is just a bitch on some characters, i can get them fairly consistently on GT Goku but the third loop is harder on trunks for some reason? im not aiming the discs down im just focusing on getting enough delay on 5S.
Yes, I specifically held this back so I could make sure it's up to date. This has her new loops as well as what to delay for the old ones. And yeah there will be updates
do u have to angle the discs down in the loops or can they just go straight? I always have the first two parts of the loop down but when I get to the third one it drops
You don't need to angle them down but it doesn't hurt either. The new loops can get a bit annoying to get the full last loop on thin bodies from what I've tried, you'll just have to practice or adjust the combo to your liking
Can you make a new adult Gohan and baby video pls? They have a lot of new combos and loops and Gohan has a bunch of new changes. Also Thankyou for this!
@@TinyTorgue it really is a pain because i play on xbox and nobody with actual skill plays on it so i can never do his sick mix because everyone’s always mashing with these broken auto combos
The input buffer lets you input the forwards jump jL while j2H is making contact, its kind of hard to explain it once it becomes muscle memory. Rejumps are pretty optional, no worries about it
I know how to use pretty good android 18 but I don know what characters match with her, at the moment I have android 18 (c), lab coat 21 (a) and android 17 (a) BTW I'm android lover 😅
I assume that's meant to say rejump. The trick is to max delay the superdash. Apparently it helps if you use the Heavy button again to superdash after the first heavy. after the airdash jM you just need to buffer the dashjump input early enough, my FAQ video goes a bit more into detail on this
@@cameronzeferino6938 I did both 18 and GT at the same time, they have been up on Patreon for a week or two since I was waiting to see if the patch required any major updates.
Everyone can generally make use of the barrier, Frieza has some nasty synergy with his discs + barrier assist if you want to lab that. Any lariat-type move or movement ability + barrier works well too.
@@TinyTorgue for instance bardock and gt where arguably easier so we let 21 pass now she got a bit of popular she’s now just as bad? Very soon if we keep tho up we will call 18 busted. That’s not a good reason to nerf because what seems busted is opinionated the game is already homogenised to hell because everyone now especially fulfils the same roll. Them nerfing oki is a detriment.
I feel like the corner loops, the one after smash, isn't usable anymore. Mainly because after the 3rd disc, they fall out. It could be some REALLY strict timing, but idk. It's definitely not up to date, though. However, there is valuable info here still
@@the_wild_kin I was actually gonna get back on and edit my comment😅 I just did it, myself. Man, it felt impossible! My issues were the 5L after disc and the delay after 5h😭 Once I caught on that they were flipping out of it instead of teching out of it, I knew I needed to be a smidge faster. So yeah, that one works! Sorry for the premature mis-information, man😞
theyre a bit advanced. you need to delay your SD as much as it lets you, airdash jM and then buffer a dashjump jL input as you hit the ground after jM. It's not extremely important for just getting into it.
I’m elderly enough to remember when Android 18 was the original “step on me” character
Still is if you have any taste
same
She's always got it like that
@@Its_Casual_ ong (I'm in Alabama rn)
Still is for me
18 is probably the best character to have DBZA call backs to and I love this video already for it.
I barely started learning fighterz today and I wanted to main 18. I’ve watched a beginner guide on bread n butter combos and the basics, moving onto an 18 specific guide and I’m already infinitely better than when I started. This is the first time I’ve actually learned to play a fighting game and it feels great seeing I’m not a complete beginner anymore
I know I'm 2 months too late, but I'm in the same boat! Albeit I'm not good just yet, aha. You should watch a vid from Mister Acolyte about Neutral if you got the time. Seeing as you barely started back then, maybe it'll help? It definitely helped me a lot, aha. I know, with what 18 is capable of, it'll help make getting into the mix easier too.
Just trying to help out a fellow newcomer!! I hope you're getting a bunch of wins, man:)
Hope you stick with it
I don't know when was the last time I left a comment on TH-cam, but I will do it now to say that this is EXACTLY how a guide for a character should be. CONGRATULATIONS
Thanks bro I genuinely wanted to play 18 and ur combo videos are honestly so good 😩
Hell yeah thanks man Im pretty bad at the game but your diagrams and vids really help alot in getting the character down to where I dont get stomped
yesterday i was like "im gonna learn android 18" and i checked your channel for a guide but there was no android 18 guide and not 24 hours later there is the guide lol
Good video! Something I was hoping to see was options using 214H Oki if the opponent chooses to reflect. There doesn't seem to be safe options that just aren't hard callouts.
DR is your best bet (ik from experience)
@@AmericanxLegendz Grabs and DR work, but they also generally have to immediately reflect so the barrier call instead works fine. Reflect is always a mindgame and hard read.
Also, you can call a assist in addition to the Ex 17, or you can do a anti reflect string as well
Yes!! I will enjoy this hell yeah thanks Mr.TinyTorgue
17:17 true that, had to relearn all my Videl loops
Thanks for this good video as always is going to help me to learn to play 18
A good tip: U can hide DR in air and reset combos with A17 barrier.
What do you mean by reset combos?
@@xiomaku5672 In the corner instead of hitting the person with last hit (L,L,L) use ki blast and barrier (L,L,5S,214S,DR). Hope you understand.
@@cavaleiroigris463 oh so its just them up teching into a dr for a free reset pretty noice lol
that pic at the beginning is a godsend for a new player, thank you
2:35 godlike edition
the persona all out attack level 3 was sooo sick
Love ur vids man they really help.
“ I forgot the beef”
Krillin’s famous last words
0:19 OD intro😏
Ooo new content, love to see it
Finalmente 😭💚💚🔥
Sorry if it has been asked and answered before but, what do you use to make your vids? I find them extremely well made, easy to follow and excellently explained. It's kinda sad that whenever I watch guides for other games it's just a replay of them in training mode with no explanation whatsoever, or explained but in a way that seems made up at the moment. I would like to see a "TinyTorgue guide to making guides".
I use Premiere Pro and Photoshop when it's needed, as for the explanation part I just have a good feeling of what people need in DBFZ. I've seen several of my friends go through the beginning steps, but it really helps that FighterZ is so nicely streamlined and clear.
@@TinyTorgue Goat!
Of course for the ToD section you use the other Hot Blonde Mix Machine's theme
I just picked a18, yamcha and hit bc of the patch and the goat uploads a18 video finally get to learn her
Great video as always. I missed you torgue!
I am daily convinced that 17 is just a stand and 18 is a stand user
Might have to pick 18 up just for the thumbnail 😏😏
6:09 thank you that made my day
Finna leave this here to appreciate the thumbnail
Thank you for this video🎉
i swear i can never keep track of each character's ideal positions these day, i always thought 18 was good as a point
She used to be pushed towards being point cuz ppl thought she was whack without assists, truth was she was always versatile in team placements
She's been my anchor ever since I picked up the game...
Really good, thank you
still praying for the day id see a nappa one from you. as a nappa main i rckn i'd still be able to learn alot cause your videos are the best.
"Yes Krillin, it is a problem that you forgot to buy the beef"
Love the content
Her loop at 17:16 i can hit all 3 but im having a problem connecting the final 5L before the key blast... is the 4th one the same or do you have to delay or?
her best oki is actually jump back medium 17 call. beats every ground tech.
3:16 for 16.
I'm been playing nappa for a while , I figure some combos myself but don't know if they are good🤣🤣
Since I started to watch your guides I don't watch anyone's guides anymore lol
I'm a patient man I will wait for it😉
Thanks!
Finalllyyyyyyy😭❤️
I am now ready for the true blue slug fest of rank with my main🥴
All they needed to do is Buff her grabs range, Fix her j2h to normal, and less recovery on her 17 calls so she can solo confirm without vanish.... Mix is cool until everyone is mashing full screen buttons and you cant close the gap solo.... why is her B assist below average on block stun, would that break her to make it normal?? or her ex 17 to track? that would make her too strong huh bc thatd be too cheap for a full bar on #18? Why cant 17 deflect ki blasts like the ginyu calls? whats the real point of her distructo disk blast ? This character is strong but too much work when other characters do the same yet they risk less and benefit more? what gives?
Great Video tho!!!! hopefully more people pick her up and she gets to be where he belongs S rank not broken but top tier forsure
The grabs are fine, the Light version is literally unreactable and the other two have enough range.
Speed up j2H I agree with. The recovery decrease on 17 could have insane consequences for her mix, we don't want that. If you're playing 18 solo you fucked up. B assist isn't too bad, it could use a small buff though. EX 17 tracks already except on self activation, which is entirely unneccessary. I'm not sure about 17 deflecting Ki Blasts, but it's not like that buff will actually help her. You're not calling 17 in neutral most of the time, except for 214S which spawns behind her anyways. If by disc blast you mean the little explosion that happens when it hits the floor, I saw that there is a way to curve it in a way where you can actually frametrap 2H with a full screen SD after 236S. Otherwise no reason to worry about it. She's rather easy to pick up actually, but you need really good universal movement to get the most out of her.
Her b assist should of been buffed to 30f and I like the other changes you mentioned
4:27 Still need to learn to connect 2m with this. Whenever I try 2m it whiffs, do you have to do some dash timing?
The more you delay the 17 call the more time you have to connect the 2M. I do a dash 2M, but it may not even be required
MBTL's music is so perfect for her
7:36 I was so upset they nerfed A21s level 3, look I'm not a sweaty fight to win junkie, but when I have played the same character(literally never got out of my team, ever) 4 years in a row it's just maddening that my muscle memory fucks me up cause she went from having a top tier level 3 super to a bottom one, probably the worst in the game, fuck me dead.
Do you have any tips for how to learn delay on combos for the loops? Is there a knack to how to practice that or is it just keep trying until you get a feel for it? I have managed a couple of times but I feel like it's not consistent and I've been at it for like 2 hours haha. Probably a stupid question but just thought I'd ask in case I'm wasting time by missing something to help
I think what would be good is for you to have a general playstyle description before going over a character's normals
This way, if someone doesn't "fw" the character, they don't have to watch that far into the video
Dustloop exists exactly for that
Great video :) A16 Guide when tho?
16:57 has this been changed at all or am I just bad. If I try to do the blasts it either does a js or by the time I hit the ground they've already fallen out
All these combos are current patch. If they're dropping out you just gotta go faster.
Every time I try to jump after 2M5M, she short jumps. Using the PS4 dpad sucks and I don't know why it's short jumping with joystick. I've done so many 2M5M into a jump and now when I want to do any of these combos, I can't jump higher.
I dont know what you mean by short jump, there isnt a thing like that. You can superjump, but you dont have to for these combos. Make sure youre jumping towards the enemy, not just straight up otherwise you'll likely whiff buttons.
Okay so it’s not just me the ps4 Dpad does suck 😩 cause on ps5 there’s no issues
I like to think Goku and Beerus were helping out in that first ToD because the beef Krillin forgot to buy was for a hot pot party or something.
i cant get the height right at 17:03 for the corner combo any tips for this?
finally yes
2:43 Poor buddy 😔
Finally
For the non smash loops, I can't land the 5l consistently on the third loop. I was wondering if you were tilting the disc or if I should put a delay on the start of a new loop.
the third loop is just a bitch on some characters, i can get them fairly consistently on GT Goku but the third loop is harder on trunks for some reason? im not aiming the discs down im just focusing on getting enough delay on 5S.
@@TinyTorgue I'm hitting it more with the focus on delay, great vid btw. Lowkey bless us with the adult gohan vid :)
Awesome, is the guide gonna be post 1.31? If so are you gonna go back to other characters to update them for the patch?
Yes, I specifically held this back so I could make sure it's up to date. This has her new loops as well as what to delay for the old ones. And yeah there will be updates
Great, thank you for your hard work, your guidea have really helped me develop as a player
I dropped 18 because she's too hard to play, but i will still watch it
she's worth it
do u have to angle the discs down in the loops or can they just go straight? I always have the first two parts of the loop down but when I get to the third one it drops
You don't need to angle them down but it doesn't hurt either. The new loops can get a bit annoying to get the full last loop on thin bodies from what I've tried, you'll just have to practice or adjust the combo to your liking
7:36 Bruhhh too sooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooOooOooooooOOooNnnnn
Can you make a new adult Gohan and baby video pls? They have a lot of new combos and loops and Gohan has a bunch of new changes. Also Thankyou for this!
Can anybody give me tips on getting the combo at 4:22 cause I for the life of me cannot figure it out n I wanna be able to do it
4:27"
Got it!
When is the Piccolo guide coming out? ;-;
15:48
whens fat buu guide coming i’ve been playing him for a while now but i feel like i’m lacking his mix up potential
Play Nappa and never look back
@@TinyTorgue lmao i’ve thought of playing nappa but this new patch didn’t really give him much
@@giovanniscookingshow9543 Buu didnt get anything important either and Nappa has better damage AND mix, playing Buu is just pain
@@TinyTorgue it really is a pain because i play on xbox and nobody with actual skill plays on it so i can never do his sick mix because everyone’s always mashing with these broken auto combos
@@TinyTorgue Nappa guide on the way?
16:51
God loves you so much get too know him before it's too late ❤️
i cant do any combos whit 2H jump cancel and dl SD rejumps. not used to the link speed, came from SFV, do u have any tips? i play on keyboard
The input buffer lets you input the forwards jump jL while j2H is making contact, its kind of hard to explain it once it becomes muscle memory. Rejumps are pretty optional, no worries about it
thank you! ill keep trying
finally doing jump cancels consistently. still cant rejump tho
@@aDexis7 rejumps come once youre deep into the game. Focus on more important stuff for now!
I know how to use pretty good android 18 but I don know what characters match with her, at the moment I have android 18 (c), lab coat 21 (a) and android 17 (a)
BTW I'm android lover 😅
What do the input numbers translate to
What does (dl) stand for in the combos?
Delay
i'm new to the game, but why whenever I land 2H the enemy flies up? i can't connect jcLLL afterwards because the enemy is too far high, lol
You gotta double jump towards the enemy after the j2H, that's what the jc indicates
@@TinyTorgue thanks buddy, gonna practice :P
How do you resume I keep trying but my character doesn’t go down fast enough after a super dash
I assume that's meant to say rejump. The trick is to max delay the superdash. Apparently it helps if you use the Heavy button again to superdash after the first heavy. after the airdash jM you just need to buffer the dashjump input early enough, my FAQ video goes a bit more into detail on this
@@TinyTorgue that was a super quick response, thanks
We need a cell guide father 🙏
17:14
Who's next? Is there another poll?
GT Goku in a few days once Ive updated his video
@@TinyTorgue A FEW DAYS!?! I thought there were months between these videos
@@cameronzeferino6938 I did both 18 and GT at the same time, they have been up on Patreon for a week or two since I was waiting to see if the patch required any major updates.
@@TinyTorgue oh ok cool thank you
O think the solo loop doesn't work anymore, kinda sad ngl.
this is all still the same patch. it works fine.
Thanks, yoi are on pc because your 18 dont have à jacket?
Yup, modding
Man someone gotta make a video showing all of this man memes during the guide or at least time stamps
Question: which characters are best with A18 A assist? Would baby be one of them?
Everyone can generally make use of the barrier, Frieza has some nasty synergy with his discs + barrier assist if you want to lab that. Any lariat-type move or movement ability + barrier works well too.
Wait... the TFS voices are edited or they finally did the mod?
Edited
Why they gut 21 oki but 18 is a ok? Smh
Probably cause 21 has braindead neutral and a great assists on top of the Level 3 mix that gives her steals that empower her further.
@@TinyTorgue 18s neutral is great too her being slightly harder is not a good excuse
@@TinyTorgue for instance bardock and gt where arguably easier so we let 21 pass now she got a bit of popular she’s now just as bad? Very soon if we keep tho up we will call 18 busted. That’s not a good reason to nerf because what seems busted is opinionated the game is already homogenised to hell because everyone now especially fulfils the same roll. Them nerfing oki is a detriment.
Is this the latest 18? Or did another patch hit
I feel like the corner loops, the one after smash, isn't usable anymore. Mainly because after the 3rd disc, they fall out. It could be some REALLY strict timing, but idk.
It's definitely not up to date, though. However, there is valuable info here still
@BlueBamboo9 I did them they work but yeah hard to do
@@the_wild_kin I was actually gonna get back on and edit my comment😅 I just did it, myself. Man, it felt impossible! My issues were the 5L after disc and the delay after 5h😭 Once I caught on that they were flipping out of it instead of teching out of it, I knew I needed to be a smidge faster. So yeah, that one works! Sorry for the premature mis-information, man😞
Hi,
I dont play with 18 but i watch all your vidéo for counter.
How to counter grab plz
Medium grabs? React. Light grabs? Unreactable. Take risks or try to find some sort of pattern in your opponents pressure.
@@TinyTorgue merci beaucoup ❤
I want to run an android team (16 17 18)
What the best assists to run
B A B in that order probably
I'm so Condusef how do you rejumps?
theyre a bit advanced. you need to delay your SD as much as it lets you, airdash jM and then buffer a dashjump jL input as you hit the ground after jM. It's not extremely important for just getting into it.
Is it not possible to combo off 18 mGrab using a teammates otg? Eg 16, LC21, Broly dbs?
I need a team synergy for 18 anyone got any
When’s the gt Goku guide
in the process of replacing the old routes with the new ones right now, give it like 2 days max
what is this terminology???????
when yamcha ?
WE NEED DBS BROLY, please.
Already exists, still pretty relevant too. Hardly anything has changed for him.
Please do janemba
Already made one
@@TinyTorgue let's go
i'll wait for it
Ginyu Guide?
what the heck voices are these
:)
Garbonzo!
17:02
15:39