John, you are a wonderful man. Thank you. We wanted to do this as means to show it doesn’t have to be divisive or negative. 🙏🏽
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Grear video, I love that you focused on independents. Thank you for including images consistently (even though it would have added to the editing time). Also, I love the more positive approach. Being negative, rude, and harsh doesn't mean honesty. For me, anyway, you both gave sincere constructive advice when needed and plaudits when required. Fantastic channel. Great human beings. Keep it up! I'm looking forward to parts 2 and 3.
Great video! More please! A video where you go deeper into the financial aspect of watch collecting and sharing tips/experiences surely would be a very interesting video/series. It is an aspect that isn`t covered, anywhere.
I have two Kurono's and can attest that they are the business! Incredible watches and pound for pound they punch way above their weight. IF you like the midcentury aesthetic, they are one of the top brands out there. Every detail is highly considered!
I don’t own one, but personally I think every one of their releases is a hit. I’ve salivated over their designs for years now but keep missing out. I particularly love the burgundy dial Azuki (the calendar one with gothic numerals). And as you say, if you love mid-century looking watches they’re at the top of the heap.
Really wish everyone would stop sucking off Brew and Studio Underdog. There is beyond way too much hype for these brands, when they don’t even produce their own movements. I own 15 watches and asked my wife which 1 should I sell to make room for another, she picked the Brew Metric…
These commentators are hyped about the branding and marketing of these watch companies. As for the products themselves, they are quite underwhelming, aren't they?
I’d love to see your guys’ thoughts on some of the German independents: Moritz Grossman, Dornbluth & Sohn, Kudoke, and my personal grail brand, Lang & Heyne.
I am not a huge fan of Czapek but to me speaking only of the Antarctique you missed their best release: the new "promenade" collection is a straight foward dress watch but with that "goutte d eau" dial it's absolutely stunning, among the best release in 2024 IMO
Everyone classify independents differently and there's probably not right or wrong answer, but for me as an independent watch collector, studio underdog and baltic in my world are not independents but mircobrands. Not saying I am right or wrong but just my opinion. Great idea of a tier list, but I would change the title to independents and mircobrands.
Romain Gauthier, Grubel Forsey, Urban Jurgensen, Lang & Heyne, Josh Shapiro, Ressence, Krayon, Trilobe... Atelier Wen (do they count? If SU does, then so should these chaps!). Some of fhe independents need more than one watch under theirs belts (eg krayon? Peterman Bedat, Lederer, Strehler) but you guys put Rexhep and Berneron there...there are too many independents! Chaykin? Sarpanova? More affordable ones: Formex, Anordain (do they count? Or are they an enameler and not a watch maker 🤔).
Raymond Weil as an Independent Watchmaker had a successful year too; although it does not carry the value of art and craftsmanship as for instance Laurent Ferrier or enthusiasts admiration as much as Christopher Ward.
Sorry but no, I do agree that they are improving but only cause they are going the same path than Furlan Marri: just coping nice design from 50's Patek.... Don't get me wrong the watches are good, way better than Furlan indeed, but that's not enough
Nice content and great ranking. However, I always believe that those independents are not real watchmakers. Producing a couple of hundred watches a year with a small team and outstanding finishing does not reflect the real watch industry. You’re overpaying for hand work and if you’re lucky you’re being rewarded with multiples on your investments just based on scarcity. It’s like buying a great example of Patek 1518 for millions of dollars just based on scarcity not cuz the watch is really worth the premium.
Parts 2 & 3 to come 🙏🏽
This is my favourite watch channel now. It’s full of positivity. Keep up the good work Justin, your efforts are appreciated. I’m a Journe junkie.
John, you are a wonderful man. Thank you. We wanted to do this as means to show it doesn’t have to be divisive or negative. 🙏🏽
Grear video, I love that you focused on independents. Thank you for including images consistently (even though it would have added to the editing time). Also, I love the more positive approach. Being negative, rude, and harsh doesn't mean honesty. For me, anyway, you both gave sincere constructive advice when needed and plaudits when required. Fantastic channel. Great human beings. Keep it up! I'm looking forward to parts 2 and 3.
C’mon. Who picks up a Studio Underdog and thinks it’s a £15k watch? 😏
With reference to the Moser collab?
A fool :)
Great video! More please! A video where you go deeper into the financial aspect of watch collecting and sharing tips/experiences surely would be a very interesting video/series. It is an aspect that isn`t covered, anywhere.
I have two Kurono's and can attest that they are the business! Incredible watches and pound for pound they punch way above their weight. IF you like the midcentury aesthetic, they are one of the top brands out there. Every detail is highly considered!
I don’t own one, but personally I think every one of their releases is a hit. I’ve salivated over their designs for years now but keep missing out. I particularly love the burgundy dial Azuki (the calendar one with gothic numerals). And as you say, if you love mid-century looking watches they’re at the top of the heap.
Really wish everyone would stop sucking off Brew and Studio Underdog. There is beyond way too much hype for these brands, when they don’t even produce their own movements. I own 15 watches and asked my wife which 1 should I sell to make room for another, she picked the Brew Metric…
These commentators are hyped about the branding and marketing of these watch companies. As for the products themselves, they are quite underwhelming, aren't they?
Fun!
Ok.
If you had 100k to give to a watchmaker to make something for you, entirely bespoke, who would it be?
I’d love to see your guys’ thoughts on some of the German independents: Moritz Grossman, Dornbluth & Sohn, Kudoke, and my personal grail brand, Lang & Heyne.
Where does Leica fit in with the indie vs mainstream worlds?
Great question! More to come
Soon. Are you a fan?
I LOVE this video idea ❤
🙏🏽
Brilliant show can’t wait for the second one
@@DavidMerrick-h4d thanks mate!
Love the fleece, what’s the brand?
@@jackmuirg drakes 🙏🏽
I am not a huge fan of Czapek but to me speaking only of the Antarctique you missed their best release: the new "promenade" collection is a straight foward dress watch but with that "goutte d eau" dial it's absolutely stunning, among the best release in 2024 IMO
Where is the fire fleece from?
Studio Underground and Baltic that high 😂 Are you joking guys?! Quality is below best product in that price range. They only assembly products.
Agree. Baltic = junk
Everyone classify independents differently and there's probably not right or wrong answer, but for me as an independent watch collector, studio underdog and baltic in my world are not independents but mircobrands. Not saying I am right or wrong but just my opinion. Great idea of a tier list, but I would change the title to independents and mircobrands.
@ I agree with you and for me as well those brands (SU and Baltic) are still microbrands. To be independent you need to have production, not assembly.
The boys are back!! 🎉🙌
Armin Strom, Gronefeld?
“Part 1”
Great Content 🏌🏽♂️🥃
Romain Gauthier, Grubel Forsey, Urban Jurgensen, Lang & Heyne, Josh Shapiro, Ressence, Krayon, Trilobe... Atelier Wen (do they count? If SU does, then so should these chaps!). Some of fhe independents need more than one watch under theirs belts (eg krayon? Peterman Bedat, Lederer, Strehler) but you guys put Rexhep and Berneron there...there are too many independents! Chaykin? Sarpanova?
More affordable ones: Formex, Anordain (do they count? Or are they an enameler and not a watch maker 🤔).
All spot on! Part 2/3 to come! Thanks for the comment
Drakes Fleece, very nice
Knock-knock. Who is there? Vianney. Vianney, who? Vianney Halter
@@andreichernev1880 🤣🤣🤣 coming soon :)
You did mistake Rexhep Rexhepi for Xhevdet Rexhepi! Rexhep Rexhepi is Akrivia!
Ming and Parmigiani
To come :)
Huge fan
Raymond Weil as an Independent Watchmaker had a successful year too; although it does not carry the value of art and craftsmanship as for instance Laurent Ferrier or enthusiasts admiration as much as Christopher Ward.
Sorry but no, I do agree that they are improving but only cause they are going the same path than Furlan Marri: just coping nice design from 50's Patek.... Don't get me wrong the watches are good, way better than Furlan indeed, but that's not enough
@@vincentschneuwly9783 can not disagree that they are not still good enough, but at least they made a move. Thanks for the reply 🙏
The only decent luxury watch shown is the Journe. No AP, no Vascheron, No Patek. Junk list.
Nice content and great ranking. However, I always believe that those independents are not real watchmakers. Producing a couple of hundred watches a year with a small team and outstanding finishing does not reflect the real watch industry. You’re overpaying for hand work and if you’re lucky you’re being rewarded with multiples on your investments just based on scarcity. It’s like buying a great example of Patek 1518 for millions of dollars just based on scarcity not cuz the watch is really worth the premium.