What a trifling wench. Chooses 🍆over her on child. I knew when she could stay 'rent free' at her sister's, and chose to work and hand her kid over, that her motherly instincts were WEAK
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I used to watch Masterpiece Theater on PBS as well....I agree that Brief Case has that mystique and nostalgia of M.T. I love listening to his storytelling. I unfortunately found him later than earlier.😔
There were scammers about then and it is possible that 2 women posed as teachers with a boarding school. The problem is she told her sister her son was going to France to be educated there with his father. Whilst understanding a ‘lie’ may be told to his nurse, not to offend her, she had no reason not to tell her sister he was going to a boarding school if that had been the truth.
Very, very true. It seemed like a long term solution to not having him back again. Maybe her lover changed his mind about the child or she just decided that she didn't want the responsibility.
I find it hard to believe that she would kill the child her lover already knew that the child existed if she was going to kill him she would have killed him and never told her lover about it
Stories like this are so heartbreaking. As I am listening to this, my little boy - the same age Manfred was - randomly walked over to me and gave me a hug. How the Hell could anyone hurt an innocent baby?? Whether she is guilty or not, someone killed that baby. What the Hell is wrong with people, then and now??? So freaking sad!!
Don't underestimate how illegitimate people - even little children- were seen back then. They really were seen as a visible sign - a living embodiment- of the mother's shame. Less than human themselves. They weren't just a sign of a stigma they were a stigma themselves. It is no coincidence that he term 'bastard' once meaning illegitimate has also now come to more usually mean an unpleasant person. His mother might have felt that by killing him she was not only removing a financial inconvenience but that she was literally wiping away a stain on her character to make a fresh beginning. She may have cared for her child - she did visit him weekly - but there was no reason he couldn't have lived with her- she worked but she was after all living with her sister's family. - This was not like the women who handed their babies to 'Baby Farmers' as they had live in jobs as maids etc. The reason he wasn't living with them must have been because HE was seen as shameful to them, a stain on the family. Her sister presumably had children but little Manfred did not live or even mix with them.
This is a weird one. I did some quick reading on it, and I am not convinced that Louise did it. Her lover didn't mind the child, the nanny was happy to have him, the sister had offered to help out financially but it was never needed because Louise was doing well for herself, so why would she? And, why would she be so stupid as to let people see her with the child? She really may have been conned - in fact, the situation instantly reminded me about that other video, about a woman who poised as a nanny for single mothers only to get some coin from them but she murdered the babies instead. Louise would have been stupid not to have checked on the institution in person but on the other hand, the idea of someone murdering a child only to get the "fee" is so abominable that such a thing simply may not have crossed her mind and she thought that she could go and check on Manfred later on the adress they had given her later on.
I have to agree with you. If she in fact was guilty? She likely had Susan Smith Syndrome. What bothers me most about this case is the lack of evidence. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously poor. When people try to remember details from a month ago at some insignificant time, their minds tend to create details. Especially when coaxed by police officials. This woman was hung purely on circumstantial evidence. The murder of Manfred was disgusting as well as the "justice" that followed.
@@cherylschantz9893 I know. Hence the "Susan Smith Syndrome" where a woman with children becomes obsessed with a man who doesn't want children and so eliminates the children thinking she will be more appealing to the man. Sick twisted shit.
This is a baffling case. Her story, so naïve and unbelievable it may seem to us, even rings true seen in the context of the times. I just do not know if she was guilty or not - but the contradicting times and witness reports seemed to have sealed her sad fate. Who killed poor little Manfred ? We may never know with utmost surety, but I have a feeling that it was not his mother.
Her new man made it clear that the child wasn’t going to stop him starting a relationship.no pressure there.The child’s care was being paid for by an outside source so no pressure on the mother for money, this doesn’t make sense
There's possibly some facts about the situation we don't know, and probably never will. But as presented here, it makes no sense that she would murder her own son. She may not have been that close with her child, but it takes a special kind of coldhearted, psychopathic killer to commit that kind of murder. It is almost hard to believe. Very disturbing case.
Exactly! It makes zero sense. It is beyond belief that anyone can do a thing like this. Even a cruel and heartless person would need a VERY strong motive.
Wow, her defense attorney sounds terribly incompetant. Eye witness testimony available to help corroborate her "story," and those witnesses don't get called? Something weird in that choice.
Thanks for a great video. There must be some facts about this situation we don't know, and probably never will. As presented here, it makes no sense that she would murder her own son. She may not have been that close with her child, but it takes a special kind of coldhearted, psychopathic killer to commit that kind of murder. It is almost hard to believe. Very disturbing case.
I agree ! Why would she do all of this just to kill her son !? I mean all she really had to do if she didn't want to be burdened by a child was just leave him where he was .
@@kathypappas6867 I have seen so many of these true stories that in earlier times life didn't seem as important as it does now....especially for narcissists...lying comes easy.
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Yeah I agree, this was extra chilling bc even tho it's possible she coulda been the murderer, I think the evidence is much more likely that it wasn't her...
She could have left him with the nurse. It's a bit weird to just let your kid go off with people she didn't know especially as she herself was an educated woman.
Fran Reid, from what I hear that happened a lot more often in those days. People didn't have as many options for childcare and it was a lot harder to get a potential caregiver vetted. I'm pretty sure caregivers didn't need to be licensed as they often do today. Also, there was more of an assumption that if the person was a woman, she was automatically qualified to take care of children.
Alice Willoughby, this is true. Working class women had even less chiices. Work House or working as wet nurses and leaving their wee ones with (?), often babies were murdered by their 'carers' so that could get more poor women's children in and get paid. How blummin sad it all is, poor Manfred 😔
@@lexiemaep7930 Are you reading the other comments by mostly women, how this happened a lot in those times, by apparently, female child minders. She was wrongly hanged, bless her.
@@BriefCaseOfficial I must agree with Robert Deal above. You obviously do a lot of research and your presentation of the subject matter is always in chronological order and logical, without unnecessary speculation, just the facts of the case - allowing your viewers to come to their own conclusions without the distraction of unproven theories muddying the waters.
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@@lyndelbeckwith1706 and people like you on juries are why innocent people are convicted. Whether she did it or not I don’t know. I’m inclined to believe she is innocent. But for you to say it so definitively without any real proof is pretty fucked up. And tells me a lot about your character.
@@lyndelbeckwith1706 it is believed that at any given point approximately 1% of the us prison population are wrongly convicted and actually innocent. That’s about 20,000 people in THE UNITED STATES ALONE. That’s not including the other hundreds of countries.
Thank you! Another great story. But very sad when it involves a little innocent child. It just goes to show you never truly know what goes on in a persons mind.
Odd she killed him when he was 3 and she was 35 that means she has him pretty late in life by the standards of the time most women back then were married by about 20 or 21 if not several years younger. By the time she had him she would have been considered an old maid. Makes me seriously wonder who Manfred's dad was and the circumstances around his birth and if that had much to do with her reasons for killing him.
Yeah she could have been raped by a "gentleman;'' who knows? Why would she remain silent? Maybe he was powerful and threatened to have her/her family killed if she told. Yes. Her bf said the child didn't matter, but maybe he changed his mind . . .
That’s not actually true. It’s a popular myth that women would marry as early as possible in the era, but that is born from the fact that women had such little societal standing that the supposed “ideal life” was to wed young and have children as soon as possible, based heavily on the literature of the time. In actuality, it was not uncommon for women to be single into their thirties, and oftentimes, they would want to build finances for their families whilst working as governesses or nurses or the like. Look at women like the Bronte sisters, who lived a solid 50 years before this story; Emily and Anne passed unwed aged 30 and 29, whilst Charlotte married and fell pregnant in her mid-30s.
Yes it is very difficult to decide if she was guilty or not. Perhaps if she had told one story only, either she gave him to the two ladies, or he was going to France to live with his father, it might have convinced the jury that she was innocent.
An eerie resemblance to the recent events involving Casey Anthony. It's one of the more excellent doors into human psychology, mothers committing crimes against their children. I wonder how many similar criminal deeds occurred in history and what string of events made them possible. A good amount of circumstances between these two definitely match.
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They judged her guilty before the trial as she had a child out of wedlock. Had she been a widow i think more effort would have been put into her defence, more public support and she would have been found not guilty.
I don't think that they prejudged her, but there was little in the way of forensic science back then. Juries went on whatever evidence there was and their guts. In today's system, she probably wouldn't have been found guilty, but, I believe that she did, in fact, murder her son.
Elwookiee07 The boyfriend’s parents may have objected very strongly to their son being involved with a 35-year-old woman with an illegitimate child. At that time it would’ve been considered scandalous and would’ve had a very detrimental impact on the young man’s future opportunities and social status. That said it still doesn’t make sense.
Intriguing! I read more about this case on Murderpedia and, though I think she did kill Manfred as he was a bit of a nuisance to her lifestyle, there certainly seems to be room for a bit of doubt about her guilt.
I have that feeling that no matter what, she should have actually been acquitted. There is reasonable doubt for her guilt and that is effectively how it should be; if there is doubt to the conviction, then you should vote to acquit. While it may be hard to stomach for those who believe her guilt, it is the correct course of justice, to try and prevent any possible miscarriage of justice. At the very least, I think imprisonment should have been selected over capital punishment, since if she was in fact innocent, they would have put to death an innocent woman.
Amelia Sach and Annie Walters may have being the two women who actually killed Louise Masset's son. The law may have being biased towards Louise at the time because she was a single mother.
This woman had no real motive to kill her child. It never ceases to amaze me how so many people in these videos had very good childhoods and yet ended up killing people.
@@barbarat5729 Her child was 3 years old and living at another woman's home. It sounds like this woman would gladly have kept the boy if the mother didn't want him.
Jacob Erick It just goes to show you no amount of education can give a person the moral compass we should all try and follow. Her son just didn’t fit into the lifestyle she wished to have. I have a feeling the bond a parent should have wasn’t present in this case. She never had that relationship with her son and what we consider to be a horrific act wasn’t as difficult for her to carry out as it normally would be for a mother. So very tragic and sad!
@@TheSwords99 People have kids thinking it's easy ,but then not so much if the kids are colic or they also have to get up at all times of the night and have to change diapers all the time. Young people sometimes don't think it through and are not responsible enough. She couldn't handle it because she had someone else doing all the work. But to leave a child dead in a restroom? That's sick and also stupid. She was crazy to begin with.
The argument that 'she wasn't used to having a child around' and/or 'just lost it' IMO doesn't cut it otherwise one could justify that every child that goes to daycare (which is, unfortunately more common now a days) could have potentially murderous parents "because they are used to caring for them every day"...just doesn't cut it. She must have been seriously mentally and/or emotionally ill to do such a horrific act and in such a way.
Who sends a 3 year old to boarding school? Louise's story doesn't hold water. Miss Gentle must have been heartbroken. This innocent little boy could have stayed with Miss Gentle and had a life. Louise was smart and evil.
♡My daughter is 3 years old (♡Gonna be 4 this year in September) and she is adorable and lovable...♡ This story kind of hurts me because all I could think was why didn't she just let that old woman have her son..¿ Cuz I'm sure at his age {just like my little girl} he probably was so cute and adorable and lovable even if sometimes he was a little difficult because toddlers can be. But it seems like he already was thriving with that woman so why not just leave it be?!?!?!💔
Wowee! That one was a doozy! Why get rid of her kid at all? He was being cared for she basically had zero responsibility except to just pay the nanny each month and she was making I’m assuming what was good money back then. Wow just yikes! And holy moly the memories of people back then. I mean like they all just identified her like Yep she’s the one. That’s amazing. As always briefcase you bring us the best thanks for another good listen!
Actually, an eyewitness is the least reliable form of identification. I first heard about that on Oprah many years ago. The topic had to do with law and evidence, etc. They had a man run into the audience and snatch a woman's purse, then run out. I can't remember exactly, but there was only 1 or 2 people who even came close to the actual description of the man. There's been studies done on it, with the same results. The only thing that is 100% accurate is a camera.
The fact that she was of French extraction would have made her more distinguishable from other ladies and bear in mind that at that time people were far less distracted with TV Radio phones etc. Most of the crimes of that time were solved by eyewitnesses who had no other task to occupy them than watching the goings on in their neighbourhood.
I could be wrong but I tend to believe her story. The M.O. of the two mysterious women sounds just like how Victorian baby farmers behaved. Also there isn't much in the way of motive.
AT 6MTHS.OLD MY MOTHER LEFT ME 135 MI.AWAY FROM HOME WENT BACK TO THE BARI MET HER 26 YRS LATER.NOT COOL .BUT I THANK OUR .. CREATOR...SHE DIDNT BASH MY HEAD IN.
@Nicoletta Ciccone From what I understand, when she was 6 months old, her mother left her 135 miles away, and went to or back to a bar. 26 years later, they met up / had a meeting and it didn't go well. She thanks god her mother didn't kill her.
I'm sorry that you have experienced that. You didn't deserve it. You deserved to be treated with respect and love, and be made safe. Some parents are woefully incompetent.
Really enjoy this channel Mr. Brief Case. I have always had a keen interest in crime from the past and your well researched videos are fantastic. Look forward to the new ones each week. Please keep them coming!
It always makes me wonder how many crimes went unnoticed based on lack of identity verification. I'm not a fan of big brother, and i hate the constant need to prove my identity...but i do like the perks of being able to just look at my phone and find details of nearly everywhere or track where i was at a certain time.
I don’t think the mother guilt was 100% definitive. She had no reason to kill her own child! If she didn’t want him to get in the way of her love life, she could have abandoned him with Gentle! They should have established more reasonable doubt with those witnesses who saw 2 women with a child who didn’t want to be with them. RIP little boy.
Hmm this is a tough one. It's possible her boyfriend could have been pushing her to get rid of her son and maybe even gave her an ultimatum. At first he may have told her whatever she wanted to hear but pressured her over time. Can't begin to tell you the many accounts of women killing their kids to be with a man because the man didn't want anything to do with the kids.
@@madmadworld8297 yeah I do not believe she had a very deep connection with her son. He was crying he didn't want her basically rejected her. I believe she murdered him she was his only enemy. 😔
*+NGMonocrom* You have to remember that she was judged guilty by virtue of the fact that not only did she have an _illegitimate_ child but was involved with a man much younger than herself. Women have still got a shit run but prior to the death of Queen Victoria, it was a positively cruel.
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Miss Gentle lived up to her name. And I couldn’t help but go back to the one lady your channel covered that killed all those kids , the “Baby Farm” one. The one who’s daughter also did the same thing after the mom was caught.
Brief: She said the money paid to Miss Gentle was paid by his father. Me: That's an odd thing to say. Brief: He said the child would not be an issue. Me: Oh no Brief: She said the child's father wanted to raise him in France. Me: Oh no Brief: The door could not be opened. Me: *Oh no no no no no.*
I love you, Brief Case! I'm fascinated by both history and true crime, so you are my perfect channel!!! I'm curious though, are all the pictures representing the people in the story real, or is it real when you can find pics, and otherwise a picture of someone similar from the time period? Thanks for the great episodes!
I was so conflicted listening to this story. After 3 rounds, all of the evidence, times of attendants', merchants, etc and the time she was last seen with her child compared to the coroner's reports and no evidence aiding her story or the two caregivers, I feel like she did do it. I feel like perhaps Manfred never settled out from being distressed about leaving Ms Gentle. All of Louise's efforts to pacify him failed and she may have accidentally or intentionally suffocated the boy in attempt to hush him. She seems too intelligent to have just randomly given her son to two women in the park in hopes if a great education. She didn't have that as a strain to worry about: she chose to work, lived rent free and Manfred was alleged to have his expenses taken care of by his father. She was a governess, she could have just taught him until a later age. What I don't understand is why wasn't the father questioned to back up Louise's story? On the other hand, I don't feel like her bond is an overtly strong one, so maybe she just got illl with him while he was upset. There was no pressure to disturb her current situation for him...why? I'm still all over the place. I'm tired.
I know what you mean. It is head wrecking. I badly want to believe she was innocent because relative to the period in history she was in a good place. She had a respectful reasonably paid position as a governess, could afford the child's keep and had the support of her family via free accommodation. Why did she not continue on for another year or two when her son could have been enrolled in a school near his Nurse's home? However, the inconsistencies in her story cast doubt on her innocence and as you say why were the witnesses who claim to have seen the boy with the two women and also the child's father not questioned in court?
I did look this up and it is also under miscarriage of justice , so maybe she was not guilty of anything. Maybe she just wanted a little bit more for her child than she could give him and was taken advantage of. There were people who took advantage of women who had babies out of wedlock. They take the babies, kill them, and still get the mother to pay for their care. It happened, maybe she ran into someone who ran one of them. The truth died with her but was she really guilty of anything.
Wow! Cool high-tech linkage, BC! How’d you DO that little window when you tap the screen itself without even going to the link? The lady in the case sounds duly guilty. Too many stories, & no one else with any motive. Poor little Manfred with no protector except his nurse-carer really-the first one to report his identity & to be concerned that it might have been him. ♥️🕯🍹
I half believe her and half don't. I mean what's the motive? She could have left him with the nanny, but maybe there was a better opportunity for him to have a better education. Every parent wants their child to do better than them. Maybe those two women conned her seeing as maybe they thought she had money because she was well educated, but naive. It's plausible and she may not have remembered what she ate at the restaurant. I mean really how many of us can recall what we are two days ago let alone maybe a week ago. That's trivial at best to use that in court. Sometimes we may not remember our arrival times either. It just seems fishy how they charged her without looking into anyone else, I get it because she was last seen with him, but not sure what to believe. I really want to believe she didn't do it because I don't see a real motive especially when her lover had no problem with her having a child. Why would she kill him when it sounded like she adored him? This just baffles me. I know there are parents out there that have murdered their children, but they have all had a reason, bad reasons of course, but this case there was no reason for it. This was senseless and that poor little boy, my heart as a mother bleeds for him. Breaks my heart.
Erika Konic Not every parent has the desire to insure their child is well educated and loved properly. She had a lifestyle that her son just wouldn’t fit in to. Not just selfish but it seems she was detached. She didn’t have a proper bond with her son since the beginning. So sad!
@@thejoycatcher8189 that is sad. I just cannot imagine how you bring life into this world and then destroy it. If I remember correctly this boy was between 4-5 years old and I think what bothers me is my youngest will be 4 soon and I love him and his older brother so much I don't know what my life would be like. I know it was a different time back then, but still don't know how she could do that. Begs the question of why?
Alot of parents have killed their kids without motive and spontaneously. Theres absolutely no reasonable motive to kill your own child anyway besides insanity or self defense.
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The Turn of the Century Susan Smith. I couldn't imagine what was going through poor little Manfred's head when his mum who he sees but once a week removes him from a loving home to smother him on the dirty floor of a dark women's room. Utterly disgusting.
Seems to me a lot of the evidence was circumstantial. Was there a motive? Her story may have holes in it but was definitely worth investigating further. Both little Manfred and her paid with their lives. Brilliant episode this. Love your channel. 👏🏻👍🏻
This sort of crime happens even today. It sounds so similar to other cases in which the child doesn’t fit into the parents desired lifestyle and so the child is discarded like a piece of trash! I believe the jury got it right! I know I’m not the only one thinking why the heck Louise just didn’t leave her son with the lady who cared deeply for him for 3 years?! I don’t believe she ever formed a proper bond with him since his birth. I also think Louise wanted to present herself in a more grand light and her reputation could have been damaged if anyone knew how little time she really spent with her son. Not to mention his biological father wasn’t really in the picture. Louise didn’t want to keep paying for the needs of her son and the time it takes to raise a child properly. She wanted to live carefree and never have to consider what it would take to raise her son in the future again. So heart breaking!
Here in Brazil, a very sad case, where the stepmother killed her neglected stepson occurred in 2014... the young boy was sedated, put in a shell grave, and she tried to dissolve the body whit a caustic soda... ohh and all this in a very rich family... they usually neglected the boy... no food, no clothes, no attention... more here: www.expat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=364399
An interesting story . She wasn't a criminal but yet she killed her own son. Very strange behaviour from an educated lady. Not sure about the 2 misterios women.
I really don't believe Louise's story. She told Manfred's caretaker, Miss Gentle, that he was going to live with a relative in France, but told authorities she had turned the boy over to a Mrs Browning, who was supposedly starting a school. Why lie? I don't think her excuse is plausible at all. There was no receipt for the money, which is odd since she supposedly paid a deposit for a year of schooling. The address of the school was also fictitious. I understand about baby farming, but Louise's handling of this is not believable in the least. Before you send your child to a school supposedly run by two women you barely know, you need to at least check the school out. There were cases of baby farming in the newspapers, so you would think that Louise would exercise at least some caution. That is, of course, assuming she is telling the truth, which I do not. The black shawl that Manfred's body was wrapped in was identified by a storekeeper as one he had sold to Louise, whom he remembered. She was a beautiful woman with a distinctive voice per one account. Manfred's clothes were found in the waiting room at Brighton station, but his body was found at Broad Green Station. The child was last seen alive at Brighton station. I do not think Ellen Rees was mistaken about Louise's presence at Brighton station. She had seen Louise over the period of about four hours and had actually spoken to her several times. She was precise regarding the times because Louise was concerned about catching the train. I could go on, but I think you get the idea. I understand that innocent people have been executed or sentenced to lengthy prison terms for murder - Jessie McLachlan, Oscar Slater, George Stinney, Joe Arridy, etc. - but this is not one of those cases.
I feel so sad for the mom. She seemed like she loved her son. I feel sad for the caretaker and nurse for her son. Those ladies just reeled her in and told her what she wanted to hear. That poor baby was murderers by strangers and I sure hope he didn’t suffer. And if those ladies killed Manfred I hope they rot in Hell.
Everyone condemning her for her "crime", whilst it seems more like she was innocent... maybe negligent but not a murderer. She didn't seem like having any motives plus the evidence used against her was questionable (how come they never tried to search for the other 2 women and just directly ruled them as inexistent?). It's also worth to remember women were not favoured in those times, plus she had an illegitimate child...
Do some research. She was caught in many lies such as her motive for taking him from his Nanny in the first place, She actually mailed a letter to the Nanny stating that Manfred was happy in France with his father, when in fact he was dead!
I hope you cover the case of Ocey Snead one day. Love your videos, they're very informative and well made, easy to understand and follow. Thanks for your hard work
Hello That is a new case for me, I have just read some articles about it, I will add it to my future case list and look to write it up soon - Thanks :)
I feel so sorry for Miss Gentle who loved the little boy, had him taken from her then identified the body and his clothes. So sad, poor little Manfred
Zay Gezunt what an evil b a stare took his life !!!
What a trifling wench. Chooses 🍆over her on child. I knew when she could stay 'rent free' at her sister's, and chose to work and hand her kid over, that her motherly instincts were WEAK
She would have kept him and loved him
Absolutely heart breaking
Im not there yet, but i agree with the majority 😆
This sad tragic tale happened all too often in Europe back then. Baby farms they were called. This woman did not kill her poor child.
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I used to watch Masterpiece Theater on PBS as well....I agree that Brief Case has that mystique and nostalgia of M.T. I love listening to his storytelling. I unfortunately found him later than earlier.😔
It does have that Master piece theater quality.
There were scammers about then and it is possible that 2 women posed as teachers with a boarding school. The problem is she told her sister her son was going to France to be educated there with his father. Whilst understanding a ‘lie’ may be told to his nurse, not to offend her, she had no reason not to tell her sister he was going to a boarding school if that had been the truth.
Very, very true. It seemed like a long term solution to not having him back again. Maybe her lover changed his mind about the child or she just decided that she didn't want the responsibility.
Miss. Gentle sounded so lovely and caring. My heart sank when they found Manfred.
Yeah. She sounds like she was a wonderful woman.
I find it hard to believe that she would kill the child her lover already knew that the child existed if she was going to kill him she would have killed him and never told her lover about it
Stories like this are so heartbreaking. As I am listening to this, my little boy - the same age Manfred was - randomly walked over to me and gave me a hug. How the Hell could anyone hurt an innocent baby?? Whether she is guilty or not, someone killed that baby. What the Hell is wrong with people, then and now??? So freaking sad!!
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Don't underestimate how illegitimate people - even little children- were seen back then. They really were seen as a visible sign - a living embodiment- of the mother's shame. Less than human themselves. They weren't just a sign of a stigma they were a stigma themselves. It is no coincidence that he term 'bastard' once meaning illegitimate has also now come to more usually mean an unpleasant person. His mother might have felt that by killing him she was not only removing a financial inconvenience but that she was literally wiping away a stain on her character to make a fresh beginning.
She may have cared for her child - she did visit him weekly - but there was no reason he couldn't have lived with her- she worked but she was after all living with her sister's family. - This was not like the women who handed their babies to 'Baby Farmers' as they had live in jobs as maids etc. The reason he wasn't living with them must have been because HE was seen as shameful to them, a stain on the family. Her sister presumably had children but little Manfred did not live or even mix with them.
An “identity parade” sounds so much more festive than a “line up”.
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This is a weird one. I did some quick reading on it, and I am not convinced that Louise did it. Her lover didn't mind the child, the nanny was happy to have him, the sister had offered to help out financially but it was never needed because Louise was doing well for herself, so why would she? And, why would she be so stupid as to let people see her with the child? She really may have been conned - in fact, the situation instantly reminded me about that other video, about a woman who poised as a nanny for single mothers only to get some coin from them but she murdered the babies instead. Louise would have been stupid not to have checked on the institution in person but on the other hand, the idea of someone murdering a child only to get the "fee" is so abominable that such a thing simply may not have crossed her mind and she thought that she could go and check on Manfred later on the adress they had given her later on.
I have to agree with you. If she in fact was guilty? She likely had Susan Smith Syndrome. What bothers me most about this case is the lack of evidence. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously poor. When people try to remember details from a month ago at some insignificant time, their minds tend to create details. Especially when coaxed by police officials. This woman was hung purely on circumstantial evidence. The murder of Manfred was disgusting as well as the "justice" that followed.
What mother hands her child to complete strangers?? She did it
She did it.
@@matthewstorer8236 Susan Smith did kill her children. And then lied about it.
@@cherylschantz9893 I know. Hence the "Susan Smith Syndrome" where a woman with children becomes obsessed with a man who doesn't want children and so eliminates the children thinking she will be more appealing to the man. Sick twisted shit.
Miss Gentle sounds absolutely lovely.
Daniel Grigg the irony of her name, she was a gentle soul
Daniel Grigg the irony is that there wasn’t any irony. The name was accurate.
Yes, her name was fitting...
It was better she left the child with Ms. Gentle, she loved that little boy
She was getting paid to mind him though. Would she have minded him for free??! Who knows.
This is a baffling case. Her story, so naïve and unbelievable it may seem to us, even rings true seen in the context of the times. I just do not know if she was guilty or not - but the contradicting times and witness reports seemed to have sealed her sad fate. Who killed poor little Manfred ? We may never know with utmost surety, but I have a feeling that it was not his mother.
REST IN PEACE, little boy Manfred.
Yeah, so unfair that the father of the child gets to live on anonymously, while Louise gets hung for being equally hateful.
Her new man made it clear that the child wasn’t going to stop him starting a relationship.no pressure there.The child’s care was being paid for by an outside source so no pressure on the mother for money, this doesn’t make sense
There's possibly some facts about the situation we don't know, and probably never will. But as presented here, it makes no sense that she would murder her own son. She may not have been that close with her child, but it takes a special kind of coldhearted, psychopathic killer to commit that kind of murder. It is almost hard to believe. Very disturbing case.
Exactly! It makes zero sense. It is beyond belief that anyone can do a thing like this. Even a cruel and heartless person would need a VERY strong motive.
Yea it does .. Shes just a scumbag plenty like her in this world
Feather Moon two words for you: Susan Smith...she didn’t need to kill her kids, but did.
Perhaps she took him to the restroom to discipline him and it got out of hand
Wow, her defense attorney sounds terribly incompetant. Eye witness testimony available to help corroborate her "story," and those witnesses don't get called? Something weird in that choice.
Thanks for a great video. There must be some facts about this situation we don't know, and probably never will. As presented here, it makes no sense that she would murder her own son. She may not have been that close with her child, but it takes a special kind of coldhearted, psychopathic killer to commit that kind of murder. It is almost hard to believe. Very disturbing case.
This is a weird one. I don't think she did it. It makes no sense.
I reckon she did it....35 yo with a toy boy?.....Having the child full time with the lover?.....Nup
I agree ! Why would she do all of this just to kill her son !? I mean all she really had to do if she didn't want to be burdened by a child was just leave him where he was .
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She worked teaching music A/H as well as other work to pay for him , c'mon
@@ibdalia69 come on what ? If she didn't want him she could have just abandoned him . Definitely no reason to kill him .
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I have seen so many of these true stories that in earlier times life didn't seem as important as it does now....especially for narcissists...lying comes easy.
I mean he would've married her even with a kid so she literally had no motive to kill him pretty sure she was executed wrongly
As BC built up the suspense, I was mouthing along a 😌 "𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝘨𝘶𝘪𝘭𝘵𝘺"-wait, what?! Come 🧏♀️ again?!! There was *definitely* reasonable doubt. Too bad Johnnie Cochran wasn't around yet... Cos this in one surely woulda been a cakewalk in comparison...😒
Yeah I agree, this was extra chilling bc even tho it's possible she coulda been the murderer, I think the evidence is much more likely that it wasn't her...
She could have left him with the nurse.
It's a bit weird to just let your kid go off with people she didn't know especially as she herself was an educated woman.
Fran Reid, from what I hear that happened a lot more often in those days. People didn't have as many options for childcare and it was a lot harder to get a potential caregiver vetted. I'm pretty sure caregivers didn't need to be licensed as they often do today. Also, there was more of an assumption that if the person was a woman, she was automatically qualified to take care of children.
Alice Willoughby, this is true. Working class women had even less chiices.
Work House or working as wet nurses and leaving their wee ones with (?), often babies were murdered by their 'carers' so that could get more poor women's children in and get paid.
How blummin sad it all is, poor Manfred 😔
Just because you're educated doesn't mean you always do the smart thing.
I think she killed her own child.
@@lexiemaep7930 Are you reading the other comments by mostly women, how this happened a lot in those times, by apparently, female child minders. She was wrongly hanged, bless her.
Aww. Rip Manfred 💗
I’ve seen this a couple of times, and I still have to ask, why?
This innocent little boy was so much safer and loved by Miss Gentle. Sad so sad 😞
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She may have been wrongly executed. There's suspicion that Manfred's killer could've actually been killers known as the Finchley Baby Farmers.
Many people have been convicted on the basis of circumstantial evidence or eye witness testimony, and then been found to be innocent.
@@lyndelbeckwith1706 A Lifer in the USA confessed to the O.J.Simpson murderers, he told police
details about the murders that only the killer involved could know. That's why the Police offered
Simpson a 3-year deal if he pleaded guilty to armed robbery later on in the case of him getting his trophies back.
@@lyndelbeckwith1706 nah. There are possible people accountable for the killing.
@@lyndelbeckwith1706 and people like you on juries are why innocent people are convicted. Whether she did it or not I don’t know. I’m inclined to believe she is innocent. But for you to say it so definitively without any real proof is pretty fucked up. And tells me a lot about your character.
@@lyndelbeckwith1706 it is believed that at any given point approximately 1% of the us prison population are wrongly convicted and actually innocent. That’s about 20,000 people in THE UNITED STATES ALONE. That’s not including the other hundreds of countries.
Thank you! Another great story. But very sad when it involves a little innocent child. It just goes to show you never truly know what goes on in a persons mind.
Odd she killed him when he was 3 and she was 35 that means she has him pretty late in life by the standards of the time most women back then were married by about 20 or 21 if not several years younger. By the time she had him she would have been considered an old maid. Makes me seriously wonder who Manfred's dad was and the circumstances around his birth and if that had much to do with her reasons for killing him.
True. Perhaps Manfred’s father decided he didn’t need to pay for an illegitimate child and Louise saw her future disintegrating.
Yeah she could have been raped by a "gentleman;'' who knows? Why would she remain silent? Maybe he was powerful and threatened to have her/her family killed if she told. Yes. Her bf said the child didn't matter, but maybe he changed his mind . . .
This sounds more plausible. Yes, the father had something to do with it.
That’s not actually true. It’s a popular myth that women would marry as early as possible in the era, but that is born from the fact that women had such little societal standing that the supposed “ideal life” was to wed young and have children as soon as possible, based heavily on the literature of the time. In actuality, it was not uncommon for women to be single into their thirties, and oftentimes, they would want to build finances for their families whilst working as governesses or nurses or the like. Look at women like the Bronte sisters, who lived a solid 50 years before this story; Emily and Anne passed unwed aged 30 and 29, whilst Charlotte married and fell pregnant in her mid-30s.
My heart goes out to the poor little boy! Oh my how horrible!
I think the case against her is pretty weak. But even if she told the truth, she was pretty negligent.
Yes it is very difficult to decide if she was guilty or not. Perhaps if she had told one story only, either she gave him to the two ladies, or he was going to France to live with his father, it might have convinced the jury that she was innocent.
An eerie resemblance to the recent events involving Casey Anthony. It's one of the more excellent doors into human psychology, mothers committing crimes against their children. I wonder how many similar criminal deeds occurred in history and what string of events made them possible. A good amount of circumstances between these two definitely match.
she should have leave Manfred with Miss Gentle
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Poor wee thing :( His nurse loved him more than the evil creature that bore him. She should've just abandoned him in her care.
I agree very sad
I know that's sad . She raised him and that mother was awful
All that selfish mother had to do was disappear from the town.
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They judged her guilty before the trial as she had a child out of wedlock. Had she been a widow i think more effort would have been put into her defence, more public support and she would have been found not guilty.
She did it, biases be damned.
I don't think that they prejudged her, but there was little in the way of forensic science back then. Juries went on whatever evidence there was and their guts. In today's system, she probably wouldn't have been found guilty, but, I believe that she did, in fact, murder her son.
Who killed the little boy then?
Great content as usual, B.C. although this case leaves me befuddled, angry, saddened and conflicted
Understand your thinking on this case. Something not quite right here.
This one makes no sense, the child was taken care for by a nanny, the boyfriend didn’t mind that she had a child.
Elwookiee07 The boyfriend’s parents may have objected very strongly to their son being involved with a 35-year-old woman with an illegitimate child. At that time it would’ve been considered scandalous and would’ve had a very detrimental impact on the young man’s future opportunities and social status. That said it still doesn’t make sense.
Jeanie Q true
Great way to start my Monday morning. Thanks for the upload and great content.
Poor little boy. His life was so short, worth nothing to his mother. Wish she had left him with his nanny.
Always look forward to these. I perk up when I see a new one sitting in my feed. Thank you for helping to make my Monday mornings bearable.
Hi BC...another fabulous start to the work week! Thanks as always for faithfully uploading every Monday morning. ♥
Intriguing! I read more about this case on Murderpedia and, though I think she did kill Manfred as he was a bit of a nuisance to her lifestyle, there certainly seems to be room for a bit of doubt about her guilt.
I have that feeling that no matter what, she should have actually been acquitted. There is reasonable doubt for her guilt and that is effectively how it should be; if there is doubt to the conviction, then you should vote to acquit. While it may be hard to stomach for those who believe her guilt, it is the correct course of justice, to try and prevent any possible miscarriage of justice. At the very least, I think imprisonment should have been selected over capital punishment, since if she was in fact innocent, they would have put to death an innocent woman.
Amelia Sach and Annie Walters may have being the two women who actually killed Louise Masset's son. The law may have being biased towards Louise at the time because she was a single mother.
u may be right, some child trafficking women maybe those two?
@@jujunita12345 I think so delphina, i read about those two women on wikipidia, they were active during the same time period.
Something was not satisfying about this case. It didn't sit well that she murdered the child. Nor her subsequent punishment. Bet she was innocent
Shoddy police work, she should of never been charged my heart goes to this poor lady and Miss Gentle as well.
This woman had no real motive to kill her child. It never ceases to amaze me how so many people in these videos had very good childhoods and yet ended up killing people.
Maybe she had never had to deal with him and lost it.
@@barbarat5729 Her child was 3 years old and living at another woman's home. It sounds like this woman would gladly have kept the boy if the mother didn't want him.
Jacob Erick It just goes to show you no amount of education can give a person the moral compass we should all try and follow. Her son just didn’t fit into the lifestyle she wished to have. I have a feeling the bond a parent should have wasn’t present in this case. She never had that relationship with her son and what we consider to be a horrific act wasn’t as difficult for her to carry out as it normally would be for a mother. So very tragic and sad!
@@TheSwords99 People have kids thinking it's easy ,but then not so much if the kids are colic or they also have to get up at all times of the night and have to change diapers all the time. Young people sometimes don't think it through and are not responsible enough. She couldn't handle it because she had someone else doing all the work. But to leave a child dead in a restroom? That's sick and also stupid. She was crazy to begin with.
The argument that 'she wasn't used to having a child around' and/or 'just lost it' IMO doesn't cut it otherwise one could justify that every child that goes to daycare (which is, unfortunately more common now a days) could have potentially murderous parents "because they are used to caring for them every day"...just doesn't cut it. She must have been seriously mentally and/or emotionally ill to do such a horrific act and in such a way.
Who sends a 3 year old to boarding school? Louise's story doesn't hold water. Miss Gentle must have been heartbroken. This innocent little boy could have stayed with Miss Gentle and had a life. Louise was smart and evil.
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This story kind of hurts me because all I could think was why didn't she just let that old woman have her son..¿ Cuz I'm sure at his age {just like my little girl} he probably was so cute and adorable and lovable even if sometimes he was a little difficult because toddlers can be. But it seems like he already was thriving with that woman so why not just leave it be?!?!?!💔
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Wowee! That one was a doozy! Why get rid of her kid at all? He was being cared for she basically had zero responsibility except to just pay the nanny each month and she was making I’m assuming what was good money back then. Wow just yikes!
And holy moly the memories of people back then. I mean like they all just identified her like Yep she’s the one. That’s amazing. As always briefcase you bring us the best thanks for another good listen!
The fact that she was a part time governess on top of it is even creepier *shiver*
Actually, an eyewitness is the least reliable form of identification.
I first heard about that on Oprah many years ago. The topic had to do with law and evidence, etc.
They had a man run into the audience and snatch a woman's purse, then run out. I can't remember exactly, but there was only 1 or 2 people who even came close to the actual description of the man. There's been studies done on it, with the same results. The only thing that is 100% accurate is a camera.
I mean she did basically neglected him, but I can’t see why she would kill him. Strange.
The fact that she was of French extraction would have made her more distinguishable from other ladies and bear in mind that at that time people were far less distracted with TV Radio phones etc. Most of the crimes of that time were solved by eyewitnesses who had no other task to occupy them than watching the goings on in their neighbourhood.
I could be wrong but I tend to believe her story. The M.O. of the two mysterious women sounds just like how Victorian baby farmers behaved. Also there isn't much in the way of motive.
AT 6MTHS.OLD MY MOTHER LEFT ME 135 MI.AWAY FROM HOME WENT BACK TO THE BARI MET HER 26 YRS LATER.NOT COOL .BUT I THANK OUR .. CREATOR...SHE DIDNT BASH MY HEAD IN.
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From what I understand, when she was 6 months old, her mother left her 135 miles away, and went to or back to a bar.
26 years later, they met up / had a meeting and it didn't go well.
She thanks god her mother didn't kill her.
@Nicoletta Ciccone
You're welcome
This is very sad indeed.
I'm sorry that you have experienced that. You didn't deserve it.
You deserved to be treated with respect and love, and be made safe.
Some parents are woefully incompetent.
@partridge 001 are you insane?
That's terrible.
I hope that you are well and contented in your own life.
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Really enjoy this channel Mr. Brief Case. I have always had a keen interest in crime from the past and your well researched videos are fantastic. Look forward to the new ones each week. Please keep them coming!
Little manfred shold be left with mrs gentle who raised him and loved him rip manfred
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It always makes me wonder how many crimes went unnoticed based on lack of identity verification. I'm not a fan of big brother, and i hate the constant need to prove my identity...but i do like the perks of being able to just look at my phone and find details of nearly everywhere or track where i was at a certain time.
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I don’t think the mother guilt was 100% definitive. She had no reason to kill her own child! If she didn’t want him to get in the way of her love life, she could have abandoned him with Gentle!
They should have established more reasonable doubt with those witnesses who saw 2 women with a child who didn’t want to be with them.
RIP little boy.
Hmm this is a tough one. It's possible her boyfriend could have been pushing her to get rid of her son and maybe even gave her an ultimatum. At first he may have told her whatever she wanted to hear but pressured her over time. Can't begin to tell you the many accounts of women killing their kids to be with a man because the man didn't want anything to do with the kids.
The Vegan Villainess what if her boyfriend never knew of manfred ? She killed that child to start over her new life with her young lover
This is so confusing. I can't think of a motive for her to kill her son. Her story sounds barely plausible. Barely.... Just don't understand this one.
NGMonocrom Yeah. I was actually thinking all the way til the end there would be evidence found to prove her innocence.
Susan Smith? Child didn't mix with her plans
@@madmadworld8297 yeah I do not believe she had a very deep connection with her son. He was crying he didn't want her basically rejected her. I believe she murdered him she was his only enemy. 😔
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You have to remember that she was judged guilty by virtue of the fact that not only did she have an _illegitimate_ child but was involved with a man much younger than herself. Women have still got a shit run but prior to the death of Queen Victoria, it was a positively cruel.
@@madmadworld8297 but, unlike Smith, her lover tesified that her child wasn't an issue.
Love this channel, one of my favourites! Could you maybe possibly cover the case of Elizabeth Brownrigg?
Hello, Its on my list :)
enough questions unanswered to re-investigate. a horribly sad case
She was a monster! Poor baby! R.I.P. Thank you Mr Brief, for your great work on this sad case.
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You are right, poor little Manfred.
Ttyl, goodnight. 🛐
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rip the poor kid whom was killed by his own mother for no reason:( may he rest in peace
Miss Gentle lived up to her name. And I couldn’t help but go back to the one lady your channel covered that killed all those kids , the “Baby Farm” one. The one who’s daughter also did the same thing after the mom was caught.
Brief: She said the money paid to Miss Gentle was paid by his father.
Me: That's an odd thing to say.
Brief: He said the child would not be an issue.
Me: Oh no
Brief: She said the child's father wanted to raise him in France.
Me: Oh no
Brief: The door could not be opened.
Me: *Oh no no no no no.*
I love you, Brief Case! I'm fascinated by both history and true crime, so you are my perfect channel!!! I'm curious though, are all the pictures representing the people in the story real, or is it real when you can find pics, and otherwise a picture of someone similar from the time period? Thanks for the great episodes!
Hello, I do not use random photos, so virtually all the time it is the correct person, once I used the wrong photo though but not on this video
I was so conflicted listening to this story. After 3 rounds, all of the evidence, times of attendants', merchants, etc and the time she was last seen with her child compared to the coroner's reports and no evidence aiding her story or the two caregivers, I feel like she did do it. I feel like perhaps Manfred never settled out from being distressed about leaving Ms Gentle. All of Louise's efforts to pacify him failed and she may have accidentally or intentionally suffocated the boy in attempt to hush him. She seems too intelligent to have just randomly given her son to two women in the park in hopes if a great education. She didn't have that as a strain to worry about: she chose to work, lived rent free and Manfred was alleged to have his expenses taken care of by his father. She was a governess, she could have just taught him until a later age. What I don't understand is why wasn't the father questioned to back up Louise's story? On the other hand, I don't feel like her bond is an overtly strong one, so maybe she just got illl with him while he was upset. There was no pressure to disturb her current situation for him...why? I'm still all over the place.
I'm tired.
I know what you mean. It is head wrecking. I badly want to believe she was innocent because relative to the period in history she was in a good place. She had a respectful reasonably paid position as a governess, could afford the child's keep and had the support of her family via free accommodation. Why did she not continue on for another year or two when her son could have been enrolled in a school near his Nurse's home?
However, the inconsistencies in her story cast doubt on her innocence and as you say why were the witnesses who claim to have seen the boy with the two women and also the child's father not questioned in court?
I don’t know how someone could this to their own child. I have a hard time punishing mine (I still do just feel guilty about it lol)
I did look this up and it is also under miscarriage of justice , so maybe she was not guilty of anything. Maybe she just wanted a little bit more for her child than she could give him and was taken advantage of. There were people who took advantage of women who had babies out of wedlock. They take the babies, kill them, and still get the mother to pay for their care. It happened, maybe she ran into someone who ran one of them. The truth died with her but was she really guilty of anything.
I don't know about this one. What I can say for sure is they definitely didn't have enough evidence for a death sentence
Wow! Cool high-tech linkage, BC! How’d you DO that little window when you tap the screen itself without even going to the link?
The lady in the case sounds duly guilty. Too many stories, & no one else with any motive. Poor little Manfred with no protector except his nurse-carer really-the first one to report his identity & to be concerned that it might have been him. ♥️🕯🍹
Morning BC, happy Monday ! Thanks as always.
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I half believe her and half don't. I mean what's the motive? She could have left him with the nanny, but maybe there was a better opportunity for him to have a better education. Every parent wants their child to do better than them. Maybe those two women conned her seeing as maybe they thought she had money because she was well educated, but naive.
It's plausible and she may not have remembered what she ate at the restaurant. I mean really how many of us can recall what we are two days ago let alone maybe a week ago. That's trivial at best to use that in court. Sometimes we may not remember our arrival times either.
It just seems fishy how they charged her without looking into anyone else, I get it because she was last seen with him, but not sure what to believe.
I really want to believe she didn't do it because I don't see a real motive especially when her lover had no problem with her having a child. Why would she kill him when it sounded like she adored him?
This just baffles me. I know there are parents out there that have murdered their children, but they have all had a reason, bad reasons of course, but this case there was no reason for it. This was senseless and that poor little boy, my heart as a mother bleeds for him. Breaks my heart.
Erika Konic Not every parent has the desire to insure their child is well educated and loved properly. She had a lifestyle that her son just wouldn’t fit in to. Not just selfish but it seems she was detached. She didn’t have a proper bond with her son since the beginning. So sad!
@@thejoycatcher8189 that is sad. I just cannot imagine how you bring life into this world and then destroy it. If I remember correctly this boy was between 4-5 years old and I think what bothers me is my youngest will be 4 soon and I love him and his older brother so much I don't know what my life would be like. I know it was a different time back then, but still don't know how she could do that. Begs the question of why?
Alot of parents have killed their kids without motive and spontaneously. Theres absolutely no reasonable motive to kill your own child anyway besides insanity or self defense.
There was a lot more evidence against her than was given in this video. Look her up.
This one as really made me think, did they get this wrong? As you say, baffling.
I absolutely love this content its so easy to follow with just the right amount of awesome details thank you brief case. I'm a new subscriber but I've been binging this channel that I've almost listened to all of them so please keep them coming thank you so much I listen while I'm going to sleep and Man it helps so much
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I've listened to so many of these Brief Cases, this one seriously distressed and disturbed me most.
Yes this one does that, always creates a discussion as to weather or not Louise should have been found guilty
@@BriefCaseOfficial I have a small 3 year old boy too. Makes it too real.
Poor boy, should of just abandoned him to the nanny.
My thoughts as well.
😕Or left him at the Station
The Turn of the Century Susan Smith. I couldn't imagine what was going through poor little Manfred's head when his mum who he sees but once a week removes him from a loving home to smother him on the dirty floor of a dark women's room. Utterly disgusting.
By now, you know what I’m about to say, but I’ll say it anyway: excellent presentation, BC!
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Seems to me a lot of the evidence was circumstantial. Was there a motive? Her story may have holes in it but was definitely worth investigating further. Both little Manfred and her paid with their lives. Brilliant episode this. Love your channel. 👏🏻👍🏻
This sort of crime happens even today. It sounds so similar to other cases in which the child doesn’t fit into the parents desired lifestyle and so the child is discarded like a piece of trash! I believe the jury got it right! I know I’m not the only one thinking why the heck Louise just didn’t leave her son with the lady who cared deeply for him for 3 years?! I don’t believe she ever formed a proper bond with him since his birth. I also think Louise wanted to present herself in a more grand light and her reputation could have been damaged if anyone knew how little time she really spent with her son. Not to mention his biological father wasn’t really in the picture. Louise didn’t want to keep paying for the needs of her son and the time it takes to raise a child properly. She wanted to live carefree and never have to consider what it would take to raise her son in the future again. So heart breaking!
Here in Brazil, a very sad case, where the stepmother killed her neglected stepson occurred in 2014... the young boy was sedated, put in a shell grave, and she tried to dissolve the body whit a caustic soda... ohh and all this in a very rich family... they usually neglected the boy... no food, no clothes, no attention... more here: www.expat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=364399
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The story makes no sense whatsoever. What were her motives? The ‘ evidence‘ is purely cicumstantial.
An interesting story . She wasn't a criminal but yet she killed her own son. Very strange behaviour from an educated lady. Not sure about the 2 misterios women.
Those two mysterious women were probably Annie Sack and Amelia Waters.
Berenice Waters it's not just poorly educated people who are murderous. I agree with you that this is a strange case.
Poor Wee Boy 😔
Did she give any reason why she did it? Any speculations? Just seems so senseless. 💔
Thanks for sharing the story
Why did she took the child from the nanny and killed him? It’s makes no sense at all
I suspect the two ladies but it's a strange story.Sad poor child.
While she didn't want him, maybe she didn't want the nanny to have him, either...?
@@debbiestevens8478 Theres a thought😥
Maybe she didn't want to pay for him any more? Whatever the case it still makes no sense, poor young boy. ❤
Exactly
Ta Da. Bc does it again. Brilliant story. It's very sad though because the poor lady could have been innocent. Thanks BC.
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Throughly enjoyed this Case! Sadly, this shows parents been murdering their "bothersome" children for a long time. Tragic story!
Vennesa Thomas...sick demented humans have been around a long time!!!!
I really don't believe Louise's story. She told Manfred's caretaker, Miss Gentle, that he was going to live with a relative in France, but told authorities she had turned the boy over to a Mrs Browning, who was supposedly starting a school. Why lie? I don't think her excuse is plausible at all. There was no receipt for the money, which is odd since she supposedly paid a deposit for a year of schooling. The address of the school was also fictitious.
I understand about baby farming, but Louise's handling of this is not believable in the least. Before you send your child to a school supposedly run by two women you barely know, you need to at least check the school out. There were cases of baby farming in the newspapers, so you would think that Louise would exercise at least some caution. That is, of course, assuming she is telling the truth, which I do not.
The black shawl that Manfred's body was wrapped in was identified by a storekeeper as one he had sold to Louise, whom he remembered. She was a beautiful woman with a distinctive voice per one account. Manfred's clothes were found in the waiting room at Brighton station, but his body was found at Broad Green Station. The child was last seen alive at Brighton station. I do not think Ellen Rees was mistaken about Louise's presence at Brighton station. She had seen Louise over the period of about four hours and had actually spoken to her several times. She was precise regarding the times because Louise was concerned about catching the train.
I could go on, but I think you get the idea. I understand that innocent people have been executed or sentenced to lengthy prison terms for murder - Jessie McLachlan, Oscar Slater, George Stinney, Joe Arridy, etc. - but this is not one of those cases.
Never cried this hard before! Poor Manfred!
Binge watching your vids at work and I’m loving it!🙌🏽❤️🙌🏽
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Thankyou :)
I feel so sad for the mom. She seemed like she loved her son. I feel sad for the caretaker and nurse for her son. Those ladies just reeled her in and told her what she wanted to hear. That poor baby was murderers by strangers and I sure hope he didn’t suffer. And if those ladies killed Manfred I hope they rot in Hell.
I was enthralled ! Thank you yet again,Brief Case !
What a tragic tale of manfred. Miss gentle loved him so much and his mother killed him with seemingly no remorse at all. Poor little boy. So very sad.
I just love the word "pram" it's so classy and a damn site better than "stroller"....
I think Pram is short for perambulator. I agree there is something quaint about the word. I like it.
Everyone condemning her for her "crime", whilst it seems more like she was innocent... maybe negligent but not a murderer. She didn't seem like having any motives plus the evidence used against her was questionable (how come they never tried to search for the other 2 women and just directly ruled them as inexistent?). It's also worth to remember women were not favoured in those times, plus she had an illegitimate child...
She lied about Manfred's father wanting him to come live with him. He had no father!!!!!
Do some research. She was caught in many lies such as her motive for taking him from his Nanny in the first place, She actually mailed a letter to the Nanny stating that Manfred was happy in France with his father, when in fact he was dead!
Thank you for bringing these facts to light and posting it for us all! Stay Safe. Peace✌️
I had to stop everything I'm doing to watch this, ok it happened..... M an addict 😔
I hope you cover the case of Ocey Snead one day. Love your videos, they're very informative and well made, easy to understand and follow. Thanks for your hard work
Hello That is a new case for me, I have just read some articles about it, I will add it to my future case list and look to write it up soon - Thanks :)
@@BriefCaseOfficial Thank you so much! I'll be looking forward to it.