Going to watch your review now. I’ve hunted with them for a few years now. I love them. Has dropped everything that they have touched. From large game to small. Thank you for the good work.
Love your stuff man keep up the broadhead tests! Provide great information for newcomers like myself. Btw b3 exoskeleton id love to see a review on them!
Watched it. Great review. I’ve shot three different pigs with the same head. Had to change the blades after the last one, only because it when through both shoulders and exited completely out the other side. Again,thank you for all your work and please continue.
Brendan Wheeler Man I use so many different heads. I base my choices on what I’m Hunting and what distance I’m shooting at. I don’t have any one favorite but do have several top choices, both for mechs and fixed.
Can’t beat a heavy single bevel like cutthroats (lifetime warranty) or tuffheads. I shoot 58# with a 565 grain arrow, 300 of it up front. My last deer gave a hop and trotted 20 yards. Then started to graze again before falling over a minute later.
I've had great success with these; they really do a number on a deer! Now, the blades do get destroyed, but supposedly the tip screws off and you can replace them. I haven't tried that yet.
I used these a few years ago, I took a couple deer and a nice bull elk with them. Every one expired fast but none had exit wound. I’d suggest poorer penetration than my 3 blade fixed.
I can see where the toxic broadheads should help the arrows fly better maybe even slightly farther because they look a lot like the fob feather replacements, kinda the same flights at each end
John, thank you for yet another fantastic video review. I too have had phenomenal success with the Toxic head. They fly great and the penetration is awesome especially when compared to how much cutting it does. I think a lot of folks look at the end view and that is a possible deterrent in picking them for hunting. The blade angle itself is what I look at. I really think the curve blades are extremely strong and that gap between them truly works as an advantage. I shot a buck last season square through the scapula and it exited through the middle of the upper offside leg bone. Completely devastating results as the deer only went 40 yards and that was even going down hill. The blades did get damaged, but again, devastating results with a red roadway of a blood trail. I would love to see a comparison or a review of the Pharmakon. I will gladly send you some if you give me a mailing address 😉
That's great to hear. Thank you for sharing that. I'd really like to test the Pharmakon. My address is 6159 Nottingham Dr, Johnston, Iowa 50131. I just need 3 new ones to do a proper test.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures Good morning Sir, sorry for the delay in getting back to you. You have a pack of the Pharmakon and a pack of Pharmakon XP on the way to you. I am especially looking forward to seeing the performance on the XP version. I shot these last year only at targets to check flight and was very impressed. Something worth mentioning in regards to sharpening these along with the Toxic, I took 1500 and 3000 grit wet/dry sandpaper and rolled it up tight to about pencil diameter and sharpened all three versions. That gets them SUPER sharp. Thank you for your work in the videos. I really do enjoy them. I will forward the tracking information once they send it to me. God bless and have a good weekend!
@@justaguy7997 Hey! It's that time of the year again. I was gonna get some more Toxics because they have never let me down. How do you like the Pharms? Any kills?
@@turtleman5111 Hello sir! I like the Pharmakons, I used both versions for target practice and they fly like laser beams. I used the XP version on a doe and the results were nothing short of stellar. The shot was almost perfect 90 degree shot from about 20’ high, completely zipped through the ribs. She went twenty five yards, fell over and was done. The blood trail was incredible starting around the 10 yard mark. I have to say that I have been thoroughly impressed with these and the Toxic heads. I know they look different and are different from every other broadhead, but the damage they do is just crazy. I was skeptical at first thinking that penetration would suffer due to the total cut length of the blades, but I haven’t been able to see any difference from any other fixed blade heads. I have used many different broadheads over the last 30 years and most have done quite well. I sharpen every single head I hunt with no matter how they come out of the pack. THAT is a huge factor in my opinion. You can’t expect good results otherwise. I remember using broadheads years ago that I just assumed were sharp enough and the results were really varied as to blood loss. After sharpening to my liking, I have seen great results even with smaller cutting heads. If you put a sharp broadhead in the right spot, it really does the trick. There are always going to be differences in every shot through an animal and more often times than not, subtle changes in results. I will admit that I can sharpen the Toxic heads easier than the Pharmakon heads. They both take time and a little effort, but the results are worth every second it takes! Good luck dude!
Had great luck with these tips. Pass through at 20 yards on one deer. Like anything the deer does not go far with good shot placement. As far as durability goes I'm a one and done guy for hunting tips. I've noticed the blades will bend more open after hitting animal.
@@JohnLuskOutdoors interesting. What kind of tuning do you do? I've tuned my bow and had some broadheads fly really well then have one fly like crap. I was trying out 4 or 5 different broadheads at once and a couple didn't want to cooperate. Mainly the Rage 4 blade extremes and the rage turkey heads. Idk if it was just all the extra exposed blades. But they would not tune well for me
Tyler S Well I’ve not tested those two heads. Maybe they don’t spin well? I’ve never had a head that spins well not fly well, at least out to 50 yds. Beyond 50, I can notice the impact of greater surface area on heads.
@@JohnLuskOutdoors I don't think I spun them. But they definitely do have a large amount of exposed blade. So I never used them. I did buy a pack of annihilators at the deer classic that I think I will try for this fall. Not sure what I want to use for turkey this spring
Tyler S Anything big will work great for turkey. I like Sevr 2.1 and Afflictor Hybrid and Grim Reaper Whitetail Special and Dead Ringer Trauma to name a few
Thank u for quick response I’ve grown up around guns and been what some would call a fanatic…. When it comes bows all I know is my bow is at 28 inch draw and right at 70 lbs
Any info or videos that I could learn from Focus on pull weight How the arrow affects things material weight etc Head info What head is best for what animal Can u use bow on anything Deer elk bear moose coyotes etc etc
There are some things I like about it, but it's not very durable. Almost every test I've ever done on it, it loses a blade. It can certainly get the job done, but I think there are much better options.
Yeah this is my first time using them my all my friends say that they love them I've been using G5 Striker fixed-blade broadhead for long time and I've never lost any animals love the videos keep up the good work
Great video like always! I would love to see a 1 hour BH video side by side comparison of 20+ broadheads. But that would be expensive day for you. Cool brodhead design however this would chew apart a broadhead target too fast. For that reason it's a nope for me.
A Canuck Yeah, it’s a killer on targets. But there’s no need to shoot it into targets. They make a practice head, and it does fly well. This year I’m doing all my tests in the same way so you can compare them all “side by side” like you’re saying.
Even the practice head does super damage to targets I have some and had to cut it out of target as I couldn't pull it out you have to make ballistic gel for them
@@JohnLuskOutdoors Cant wait. By the way you should reach out to BH companies tell them who you are and they should send you free heads for your test. If they dont I would question their confidence in their own product.
Everyone who doesn't hunt with them says they are a gimmick. I've had great luck using them on deer but I'm not sure if they would be well suited for elk. Thoughts?
The 4" of cut is actually a weakness in my mind because the main enemy of a bowhunter is bone & you don't want 4" of cut surface when going through bone or you will have terrible penetration when you hit a shoulder & you don't need 4" if you put the broadhead where it is supposed to go. A standard style broadhead is a better choice.
Good comment. If you have the momentum to drive it deeply, it could be good. And it's flex steel keeps the blades from breaking fairly well--but they do get nicked up quite a bit.
I know this video has been up for a while but the blades getting destroyed is actually by design. The spring steel is designed to open up as it engages bone to allow the broadhead to actually go through bone easier. If the loops would stay closed it would be very difficult for it to pass threw with such small gaps in the circles. Now as the circles open up there is less resistance. Hope this makes sense as this is how it was explained to me by flying arrow archery. They do penetrate very well from what I’ve seen. I’ve had several customers take large hogs with them and get complete pass thrus on 200-250 lbs pigs. Very impressive on pigs that size.
Harvest two deer with these both double lung. One had a good blood trail and died in about 40yards. The other was a pass through. He ran for a bit and then I watched him walk off into the next property like nothing even happened. Found him a week later. Also Fire-n-the-hole Makes a 4" mechanical broadhead that would be nice to get a review on. Thanks!
Check out the pharmakon they are the toxics brother sharper change each blade individual with set screw And as far as sharpening the toxics I seen vids where people used a round file and got the job done
Bought some when they first came out and ended up tossing them. They whistle super loud while in the air and the blades deformed while shooting at my soft target.
It's to test the outer limits of what a broadhead can handle. Just providing data points to consider as you're comparing broadheads. Like I say in each of the vids, you can decide which data points matter to you the most.
I have shot 4 deer with these broadhead and never had one go more than 40 yards and blood trials a blind person could follow. The deer I harvest last season was a 35 yard shoot quartering away from me, was a complete pass through. I am shooting 65 pounds and a 31" draw. I would never use another broadhead.
these are what i use iv killed a couple of bucks and doe. i harvested a 500 pound black bear with it i never had to track any animal except for the black bear it was so thick. but he only ran 40 yards
@@LuskArcheryAdventures yeah i only have one left. so i was thinking about switching to sevr 2.0 because toxic are devastating. but... also to a target with the meat worms really hard to afford new targets
I do test sharpness, in two ways: penetration thru a uniform medium (rubber foam, MDF, and gel) and edge retention thru steel. Any head can feel sharp out of the package, but that means zero. If it dulls after hitting hide, it won’t help at all. Initial sharpness is not nearly as important as retained sharpness during penetration. Sharpness will be revealed in the penetration tests and in the heads ability to retain its edge in a hard impact.
KTMsoldier1988 Yeah I tried those heads as well. Shot a Javelina with one and didn’t even get a pass thru. I had sharpened the blades but they’re so cheap they lose their edge immediately upon impact.
@@JohnLuskOutdoors it kinda sucks because they flew crazy well and the tip was sturdy and sharp but i just can't imagine why they would have blades that dull. What kinda bugged me about it was i wrote a review on their website but they never posted my review.
I bought a 3 pack when they came out I shot one of the broadheads over and over to make sure it flew good it did fly good very close to my field point I shot two deer and both deer died quickly but both exit lung shots plugged up, blade circles drag fat tissue to the exit hole therefore I stopped using that Broadhead you must have a blood trail even though my deer went down quickly they plug the exit hole no good in my book
I knew someone that shot these out of a low poundage bow into a hog and it did literally nothing. Shot that same spot with a g5 and got a pass through. This might be awesome with a heavy arrow and a high lbs bow.
Cali Bowhunter Thanks for watching and for sharing that. This head has a cut that is about 3 times larger than a Montec, so there’s no wonder it would be penetrate as well. Shot placement and the bows specs are important to consider.
Please include better close-ups. Three or four feet from the lens isn't close enough to help us see what you're seeing. I'd have to see that broadhead impact bone, especially at an angle, before I'd get over my skepticism. Do you ever do an angled impact test? When you shot the steel, it punched a big hole - true enough - but it STOPPED. So, maybe it knocks a big hole in a rib, but if it doesn't pass any further through, none of the potential wound channel benefits get realized. And as others have observed, sharpening looks like it would be difficult.
You are absolutely right. I have not had success with these at all. Four Whitetails just ran away, never to be found with next to nothing for a blood trail. Perfect shots at 30 yards were a waste of an arrow. As far as the plastic bag test, an arrow without any tip would drain a bag. Save you money and pass on this garbage.
Evan Windom and I would also like to see spin testing the arrows after first shot through bone or Steel this toxic imo is garbage I used to have a set given to me
Richard Swett The bag test is a really good one to test the wound channel. Of course a field point would drain the bag, but it would take about 10 seconds. Watch my other vids and see the time it takes for different heads to drain the bag to the line drawn on the bag.
I used to do angled shot tests but they were completely useless; every fixed blade head did very well with them, as did 90% of all mechs. The close ups would help, but I can only do so much with one camera; I’ll try to work on that in the future. Thanks for watching.
@@JohnLuskOutdoors That's interesting. Were you doing the angled shot tests with heavy, high-FOC arrows? I've seen plenty of heads of various descriptions fail those tests. I'd rather see that test than see them fired at steel or cinder block. But hey, thanks for doing the videos anyway. I realize you'll never be able to come up with a testing regimen that pleases everyone.
Going to watch your review now. I’ve hunted with them for a few years now. I love them. Has dropped everything that they have touched. From large game to small. Thank you for the good work.
Andrew Haugen Thanks for watching. And thanks for sharing your experience.
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Love your stuff man keep up the broadhead tests! Provide great information for newcomers like myself. Btw b3 exoskeleton id love to see a review on them!
jeremiah taylor Thanks Jeremiah. Much appreciated.
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Watched it. Great review. I’ve shot three different pigs with the same head. Had to change the blades after the last one, only because it when through both shoulders and exited completely out the other side. Again,thank you for all your work and please continue.
Andrew Haugen Thanks Andrew. I really appreciate you watching and sharing that experience.
I would never have thought it would make it through one shoulder let alone two! How far did that one go?
Adam Rich it didn’t! Dropped where it was standing. It was very cool to see, didn’t have time to think. Just bled out automatically.
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Trying to resharpen this broadhead looks like a chore. Great video. Thank you.
Chad Kampster Yeah...no can do. It’s a one and done, but you can get replacement blades.
@@JohnLuskOutdoors not even with a circular file? Or does the flaring of the blades ruin that?
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THAT'S a mean looking head !! Thanks great video
Bruce Barthalow Thanks Bruce. Much appreciated brother.
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What would you consider your favourite do it all Broadhead that you’ve tested
He still uses sevrs himself after testing. They're really good heads
Brendan Wheeler Man I use so many different heads. I base my choices on what I’m Hunting and what distance I’m shooting at. I don’t have any one favorite but do have several top choices, both for mechs and fixed.
Can’t beat a heavy single bevel like cutthroats (lifetime warranty) or tuffheads. I shoot 58# with a 565 grain arrow, 300 of it up front. My last deer gave a hop and trotted 20 yards. Then started to graze again before falling over a minute later.
I thought for sure you would say qad exodus
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I've had great success with these; they really do a number on a deer! Now, the blades do get destroyed, but supposedly the tip screws off and you can replace them. I haven't tried that yet.
Yeah, they really cut a lot of tissue, that's for sure. Thanks for sharing your experience.
I've seen a couple of videos where it passed through shoulders with a qiuck death for deer... Definitely worth it for the price and lethality!
Thanks for that comment Philip! Much appreciated.
He's back from hunting and making test vids again!!!!!! Score for the viewers!
Thumbs McGee Haha. Yeah, I am back in the groove. I have a bunch more coming.
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Broadhead with circles ... just in time for pi day ... sweet!
Jeremy Buchanan Haha. Good one. Thanks for watching.
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I really love watching your videos!
Thank you! That's really encouraging to hear. I appreciate it.
I used these a few years ago, I took a couple deer and a nice bull elk with them. Every one expired fast but none had exit wound. I’d suggest poorer penetration than my 3 blade fixed.
Yeah, that's my concern as well. Thanks for sharing that.
I can see where the toxic broadheads should help the arrows fly better maybe even slightly farther because they look a lot like the fob feather replacements, kinda the same flights at each end
That's an interesting comparison. Thanks for watching and commenting.
John, thank you for yet another fantastic video review. I too have had phenomenal success with the Toxic head. They fly great and the penetration is awesome especially when compared to how much cutting it does. I think a lot of folks look at the end view and that is a possible deterrent in picking them for hunting. The blade angle itself is what I look at. I really think the curve blades are extremely strong and that gap between them truly works as an advantage. I shot a buck last season square through the scapula and it exited through the middle of the upper offside leg bone. Completely devastating results as the deer only went 40 yards and that was even going down hill. The blades did get damaged, but again, devastating results with a red roadway of a blood trail. I would love to see a comparison or a review of the Pharmakon. I will gladly send you some if you give me a mailing address 😉
That's great to hear. Thank you for sharing that. I'd really like to test the Pharmakon. My address is 6159 Nottingham Dr, Johnston, Iowa 50131. I just need 3 new ones to do a proper test.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures Good morning Sir, sorry for the delay in getting back to you. You have a pack of the Pharmakon and a pack of Pharmakon XP on the way to you. I am especially looking forward to seeing the performance on the XP version. I shot these last year only at targets to check flight and was very impressed. Something worth mentioning in regards to sharpening these along with the Toxic, I took 1500 and 3000 grit wet/dry sandpaper and rolled it up tight to about pencil diameter and sharpened all three versions. That gets them SUPER sharp. Thank you for your work in the videos. I really do enjoy them. I will forward the tracking information once they send it to me. God bless and have a good weekend!
@@justaguy7997 Hey! It's that time of the year again. I was gonna get some more Toxics because they have never let me down. How do you like the Pharms? Any kills?
@@turtleman5111 Hello sir! I like the Pharmakons, I used both versions for target practice and they fly like laser beams. I used the XP version on a doe and the results were nothing short of stellar. The shot was almost perfect 90 degree shot from about 20’ high, completely zipped through the ribs. She went twenty five yards, fell over and was done. The blood trail was incredible starting around the 10 yard mark. I have to say that I have been thoroughly impressed with these and the Toxic heads. I know they look different and are different from every other broadhead, but the damage they do is just crazy. I was skeptical at first thinking that penetration would suffer due to the total cut length of the blades, but I haven’t been able to see any difference from any other fixed blade heads. I have used many different broadheads over the last 30 years and most have done quite well. I sharpen every single head I hunt with no matter how they come out of the pack. THAT is a huge factor in my opinion. You can’t expect good results otherwise. I remember using broadheads years ago that I just assumed were sharp enough and the results were really varied as to blood loss. After sharpening to my liking, I have seen great results even with smaller cutting heads. If you put a sharp broadhead in the right spot, it really does the trick. There are always going to be differences in every shot through an animal and more often times than not, subtle changes in results. I will admit that I can sharpen the Toxic heads easier than the Pharmakon heads. They both take time and a little effort, but the results are worth every second it takes! Good luck dude!
Sure looks like a gimmick... thanks for checking it out for us! Really interesting concept!
Jason Siikarla Haha. Thanks Jason.
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I'm trying to sight mine in. I don't know how to sight it in without messing them up. Any tips ?? I use a bag but they get stuck inside.
Yeah, that is a challenge. I shot them into a normal target and they did fine...but they did take out a core of the target.
use them in a slightly thinner bag where the broadhead will pass through then just pull them out from the back
Had great luck with these tips. Pass through at 20 yards on one deer. Like anything the deer does not go far with good shot placement. As far as durability goes I'm a one and done guy for hunting tips. I've noticed the blades will bend more open after hitting animal.
Thanks for sharing that Brian.
Do you shoot and tune every broadhead before these videos? Or have you tuned it once and all these broadheads have flown fairly well from said tuning
Tyler S Good question. I never have to tune a broadhead to my arrow and bow. Never. I tune my bow well and any decent head flies well out of it.
@@JohnLuskOutdoors interesting. What kind of tuning do you do? I've tuned my bow and had some broadheads fly really well then have one fly like crap. I was trying out 4 or 5 different broadheads at once and a couple didn't want to cooperate. Mainly the Rage 4 blade extremes and the rage turkey heads. Idk if it was just all the extra exposed blades. But they would not tune well for me
Tyler S Well I’ve not tested those two heads. Maybe they don’t spin well? I’ve never had a head that spins well not fly well, at least out to 50 yds. Beyond 50, I can notice the impact of greater surface area on heads.
@@JohnLuskOutdoors I don't think I spun them. But they definitely do have a large amount of exposed blade. So I never used them. I did buy a pack of annihilators at the deer classic that I think I will try for this fall. Not sure what I want to use for turkey this spring
Tyler S Anything big will work great for turkey. I like Sevr 2.1 and Afflictor Hybrid and Grim Reaper Whitetail Special and Dead Ringer Trauma to name a few
Do they fly like field points?
They fly very well, but not exactly like a field point. Thru a well tuned bow, they do fly well though.
Thanks looking foward to these!
Question????
Is the arrows specs same as bullet specs
Meaning 12-18 inches of penetration??
It depends on the bow, arrow, and broadhead. But on average, just shooting into plain FBI gel, the typical penetration is about 12"
Thank u for quick response
I’ve grown up around guns and been what some would call a fanatic….
When it comes bows all I know is my bow is at 28 inch draw and right at 70 lbs
Any info or videos that I could learn from
Focus on pull weight
How the arrow affects things material weight etc
Head info
What head is best for what animal
Can u use bow on anything
Deer elk bear moose coyotes etc etc
Quick question for you how do you like The Rage hypodermic 2 inch cut?
There are some things I like about it, but it's not very durable. Almost every test I've ever done on it, it loses a blade. It can certainly get the job done, but I think there are much better options.
Yeah this is my first time using them my all my friends say that they love them I've been using G5 Striker fixed-blade broadhead for long time and I've never lost any animals love the videos keep up the good work
Great video like always! I would love to see a 1 hour BH video side by side comparison of 20+ broadheads. But that would be expensive day for you.
Cool brodhead design however this would chew apart a broadhead target too fast. For that reason it's a nope for me.
A Canuck Yeah, it’s a killer on targets. But there’s no need to shoot it into targets. They make a practice head, and it does fly well. This year I’m doing all my tests in the same way so you can compare them all “side by side” like you’re saying.
Even the practice head does super damage to targets I have some and had to cut it out of target as I couldn't pull it out you have to make ballistic gel for them
@@JohnLuskOutdoors Cant wait. By the way you should reach out to BH companies tell them who you are and they should send you free heads for your test. If they dont I would question their confidence in their own product.
welderoo Thats good to know. Thanks for sharing that.
A Canuck I do that with every head I test. About half of the companies give me free heads, and half don’t.
It is my most favorite broadhead by far.
Thanks for sharing that.
I've been using them for 2 years and have harvested 60 hogs in Hawaii with them. Firm believer in them.
Glad to hear that. Thank you for sharing your experience, Matt. Much appreciated.
Aloha,
Where in Hawaii? I am on Oahu and plan to do a trip to the Big Island when everything clears up.
Everyone who doesn't hunt with them says they are a gimmick. I've had great luck using them on deer but I'm not sure if they would be well suited for elk. Thoughts?
I was impressed in the testing, for the most part. I personally, would not use them on elk, but I'm sure others have done so successfully.
The 4" of cut is actually a weakness in my mind because the main enemy of a bowhunter is bone & you don't want 4" of cut surface when going through bone or you will have terrible penetration when you hit a shoulder & you don't need 4" if you put the broadhead where it is supposed to go. A standard style broadhead is a better choice.
Good comment. If you have the momentum to drive it deeply, it could be good. And it's flex steel keeps the blades from breaking fairly well--but they do get nicked up quite a bit.
I know this video has been up for a while but the blades getting destroyed is actually by design. The spring steel is designed to open up as it engages bone to allow the broadhead to actually go through bone easier. If the loops would stay closed it would be very difficult for it to pass threw with such small gaps in the circles. Now as the circles open up there is less resistance. Hope this makes sense as this is how it was explained to me by flying arrow archery. They do penetrate very well from what I’ve seen. I’ve had several customers take large hogs with them and get complete pass thrus on 200-250 lbs pigs. Very impressive on pigs that size.
Harvest two deer with these both double lung. One had a good blood trail and died in about 40yards. The other was a pass through. He ran for a bit and then I watched him walk off into the next property like nothing even happened. Found him a week later. Also Fire-n-the-hole Makes a 4" mechanical broadhead that would be nice to get a review on. Thanks!
TWD25 Thanks for watching and for sharing that firsthand experience.
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Now test the Flying Arrow Orion. That's the broadhead from them that should be super durable.
Gene Halteman I saw that one on their site. I’ll have to test it at some point.
@@JohnLuskOutdoors Yes, that would be great! They have thick blades and a solid machined ferrule. They seem super tough!
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Check out the pharmakon they are the toxics brother sharper change each blade individual with set screw
And as far as sharpening the toxics I seen vids where people used a round file and got the job done
welderoo Thanks for sharing that.
That Pharmakon does look like it will hold up much better. Be interesting to see!
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How are those fletching things called?
They are FOBs. Check out my vid test of them--I think it's called Fletch Fight: FOBs vs Vanes.
Is it better for killing human beings than Montec G5 or Magnus Stinger?
Well, since that's a crime, I'm not going to comment :)
@@LuskArcheryAdventures is it?
I usually just use practice heads. Humans dont have all that fur and leather to go thru.
@@turtleman5111 practice head sucks, it plugged the hole so no profuse bleeding
@@kaikart123 Perhaps. But if I'm lucky, I will get a pass-thru, and get the human behind the 1st one too(more stream-lined).
Bought some when they first came out and ended up tossing them. They whistle super loud while in the air and the blades deformed while shooting at my soft target.
Thanks for watching and sharing your experience.
But would you take it over the Annihilator?
Nope. I wouldn't. I may take others over an Ann, but not this one.
Cool!
Dr.Green Thumb Thank you my friend.
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I shot a big doe with these heads and it went just over 20 yards and piled up.
Greg Candor Good to know. Thanks for watching and commenting.
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Why would u shoot metal and destroy the head?
It's to test the outer limits of what a broadhead can handle. Just providing data points to consider as you're comparing broadheads. Like I say in each of the vids, you can decide which data points matter to you the most.
I have shot 4 deer with these broadhead and never had one go more than 40 yards and blood trials a blind person could follow. The deer I harvest last season was a 35 yard shoot quartering away from me, was a complete pass through. I am shooting 65 pounds and a 31" draw. I would never use another broadhead.
Good to hear. Thank you for watching and sharing that.
Took out a brown bear charging with head shot it's the only head I use
Thanks for sharing that.
these are what i use iv killed a couple of bucks and doe. i harvested a 500 pound black bear with it i never had to track any animal except for the black bear it was so thick. but he only ran 40 yards
That's great to hear. Thank you for sharing that experience.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures yeah i only have one left. so i was thinking about switching to sevr 2.0 because toxic are devastating. but... also to a target with the meat worms really hard to afford new targets
Wish they were legal in Co!!
trpe71 Yeah. I never tested them before cause I lived in CO. Now I live in Iowa so I tested them.
@@JohnLuskOutdoors I had friends elsewhere that tried them and loved them..
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You should test sharpness. There's alot of heads out there that ain't sharp enough and should be in the garbage,not the woods.
I bought some trophy taker quad 4s. The blades were as sharp as a butter knife i shot them to see how they flew but ill never put them in my quiver.
I do test sharpness, in two ways: penetration thru a uniform medium (rubber foam, MDF, and gel) and edge retention thru steel. Any head can feel sharp out of the package, but that means zero. If it dulls after hitting hide, it won’t help at all. Initial sharpness is not nearly as important as retained sharpness during penetration. Sharpness will be revealed in the penetration tests and in the heads ability to retain its edge in a hard impact.
KTMsoldier1988 Yeah I tried those heads as well. Shot a Javelina with one and didn’t even get a pass thru. I had sharpened the blades but they’re so cheap they lose their edge immediately upon impact.
@@JohnLuskOutdoors it kinda sucks because they flew crazy well and the tip was sturdy and sharp but i just can't imagine why they would have blades that dull. What kinda bugged me about it was i wrote a review on their website but they never posted my review.
I gave them my feedback as well. They didn't change a thing :)
Iowa? Hey I'm in iowa to lol
Nice. I've since moved to Texas. But I miss Iowa :)
Always thought these were a novelty.
I did too, until I did the test. Not sure I'd use them on one of my hunts, but I can see why people like them.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures yeah, it must be the meat-tubes. Lol
They should get rid of that hunting head! My friend lost a lot deers!
Thanks for sharing that experience.
He likes to yap 💀
Ok…
I bought a 3 pack when they came out I shot one of the broadheads over and over to make sure it flew good it did fly good very close to my field point I shot two deer and both deer died quickly but both exit lung shots plugged up, blade circles drag fat tissue to the exit hole therefore I stopped using that Broadhead you must have a blood trail even though my deer went down quickly they plug the exit hole no good in my book
Yeah, I worry about the hole being plugged up as well. I find a wider hole is much better than a narrower one, no matter how many blades there are.
You didn't check if it was loaded and you blade swept yourself quite a few times
well, okay...
Not for me. Keep up the great videos
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I knew someone that shot these out of a low poundage bow into a hog and it did literally nothing. Shot that same spot with a g5 and got a pass through. This might be awesome with a heavy arrow and a high lbs bow.
Cali Bowhunter Thanks for watching and for sharing that. This head has a cut that is about 3 times larger than a Montec, so there’s no wonder it would be penetrate as well. Shot placement and the bows specs are important to consider.
@@JohnLuskOutdoors thank you for the awesome videos
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Idk if you have done it yet but you should try ramcat diamondback
CFong _Sports I’m in the middle of texting a Ramcat Hydroshock right now. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Please include better close-ups. Three or four feet from the lens isn't close enough to help us see what you're seeing. I'd have to see that broadhead impact bone, especially at an angle, before I'd get over my skepticism. Do you ever do an angled impact test?
When you shot the steel, it punched a big hole - true enough - but it STOPPED. So, maybe it knocks a big hole in a rib, but if it doesn't pass any further through, none of the potential wound channel benefits get realized. And as others have observed, sharpening looks like it would be difficult.
You are absolutely right. I have not had success with these at all. Four Whitetails just ran away, never to be found with next to nothing for a blood trail. Perfect shots at 30 yards were a waste of an arrow. As far as the plastic bag test, an arrow without any tip would drain a bag. Save you money and pass on this garbage.
Evan Windom and I would also like to see spin testing the arrows after first shot through bone or Steel this toxic imo is garbage I used to have a set given to me
Richard Swett The bag test is a really good one to test the wound channel. Of course a field point would drain the bag, but it would take about 10 seconds. Watch my other vids and see the time it takes for different heads to drain the bag to the line drawn on the bag.
I used to do angled shot tests but they were completely useless; every fixed blade head did very well with them, as did 90% of all mechs. The close ups would help, but I can only do so much with one camera; I’ll try to work on that in the future. Thanks for watching.
@@JohnLuskOutdoors That's interesting. Were you doing the angled shot tests with heavy, high-FOC arrows? I've seen plenty of heads of various descriptions fail those tests. I'd rather see that test than see them fired at steel or cinder block. But hey, thanks for doing the videos anyway. I realize you'll never be able to come up with a testing regimen that pleases everyone.
But they are replaceable
Brian Trujillo Yep. Sure are; I believe I wrote that in the video. Thanks for watching.
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You need to check out Flying Arrows Whole line of broadheads got some mean ones and stronger than the Toxic.
Yeah, I saw those on their site. Thank you.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures by the way my home town is Lusk, Wy. Love the videos.
My baddest broadheads,poor grouping
Benoit Delorme Thanks for watching. You mean they don’t group well for you? They flew very well for me.
With proper tuning all heads fly true
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Nerd
Pedro Vianna Silva Well ok...I am a bit of a broadhead nerd I guess. Thanks for watching
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ry shooting one with a fob or fletch, i have a hunch that the broadhead will act as a stabiliser.
Your comment got cut off, so I can't see it all. Sorry.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures Try shooting one WITHOUT a fob or fletch, i have a hunch that the broadhead will act as a stabiliser.