Imagine going 69-13 and winning the ring in 2015, then going 73-9 and being game away from going back to back, and then everyone acts surprised when that same core wins again.
No one is talking about the calls in that series... they were ridiculous. James got many phantom calls and Curry 'got' many no-calls. The refs were on a tear of their own to write history
One of the dumbest popular narratives out there is that the Warriors just weren't on the Cavs level and that's why they got KD. If that were actually true, then people wouldn't call it a choke job. Since how do you choke if you're the way worse team? These the same people who called Steph, Klay and Draymond bums but also call the Warriors a Superteam lmao. You can't downplay them but also at the same time use them to hype up LeBron's legacy.
Anyone who was around in 2015/16 should know that the warriors were heavy favorites in that series. No one thought the 73-9 warriors needed KD to beat the cavs. They were always the superior team. That's why everyone freaked out because it made them completely unbeatable. These skip bayless characters are trying to rewrite history whenever it suits their agenda.
Another one that Warriors haters always said is "they can't beat Lebron without KD" like wtf? They are 3-1 before blowing that lead, it's not like Cavs won in 4-1 or 4-0 by their logic you can say most of these NBA fans are hypocrite clowns haters. 🥶
It took playing Curry playing the worst he's ever played up to that point of the season, the Cavs making the greatest comeback in NBA history, in that game 7, Lebron making an all time block and Kyrie making an all time 3 for the Cavs to barely squeeze out that championship win. Yet the Warriors weren't good enough to beat them without KD? They were up 3-1 for a reason lol.
He literally admitted it. He was wrong on josh Allen and took a mustard bath and he was wrong on Wiggins and called it his worst take ever. Dudes not a psychic, he’s going to be wrong time to time.
I think at the end of the day people gotta understand that he's just doing his job. Right or wrong. Smart or stupid takes, the dude is doing his job. Being controversial and making way for conversations about whatever topic.
Can’t imagine saying that a guy with 4 rings, who averages 27/6/6 on 43/39/91 in the Finals, with a .694 postseason record is a bad playoff performer. Those are better numbers than Kobe Bryant’s
I've been saying this for YEARS how it made no sense for people to say that Warriors couldn't beat Lebron or the Cavs without Kevin Durant when they clearly showed that they could. Having Durant just made them impossible to beat. But to say that they NEEDED Durant to win just never made any sense.
Tbh the management is crazy they took two guys in Poole and Wiggins who were overlooked and in Wiggins case seemed like lost potential and turned them into key players they also got a lot of of looney and Payton jr two lower draft picks who are underrated
It was run by Curry haters(aka LeBron fans) after the 2016 finals. It's like the Schrodinger's cat paradox , LeBron fans ran with this narrative that LeBron beat the greatest team of all time and made him the goat but at the same time they also said the warriors needed KD to beat them in 2017 and 2018 , how's that even possible? How could you call a team the greatest team of all time then say they needed KD, and it gets even crazier when you look at all the stuff that happened in 2016 for them to win in 7 games from draymond suspension,bogut's injury, Barnes being useless to curry re-aggravating his MCL...
Everyone is theorizing CLE would've beaten a GSW team without KD in 2017 & 2018. Ok, let's say that's the case, that means GSW still BEATS DURANT AND THE OKC THUNDER in the west bracket, assuming KD stayed in OKC.
Stephen Curry always doesn't get the appreciation he deserves, even after he won this year's Finals MVP, there were many who doubted he was better than KD
I think that's why he was balling after they won. all the hate, false narratives, and negativity. the man just wants respect. I know he felt like a sandbag was lifted off his shoulders when he won. if you watched the game when he scored 43, he looked like he was on a mission!!!
@@kingcort8073 exactly. If I have to pick a player to score with my team down 1, i would pick KD; but if I have to pick a player to build a team around, Curry is definitely my choice.
I say: in the end, history will put him OVER Lebron James. His career (given that he stays healthy) is far from over. There might be 1 to 3 more rings waiting.
The Warriors weren't fully healthy in 2016. Steph suffered from a MCLsprain earlier in the playoffs, Iggy started suffering from back problems in the Finals, and worse of them all Bogut, there only rim protector that swatted everything coming near the bucket in that Finals, has gotten injured in the middle of Game 5 and never returned, which allowed Bron and Irving to get to the rim on command. So no. Golden State was not healthy in those 2016 Finals.
Neither were the Cavs Kyrie had a bad foot Kev Love was playin thru a concussion and they blew GS out game 3. Everyone back sour in the playoffs. Steph knee was banged up ehh he still didn’t play well he stunk it up when u a star u cant play like that at that stage. They NEEDED TO WIN 1 GAME! Draymond did it to himself. Also if u play and u know that and u looking for an advantage u will do the same thing to taunt Draymond plus Draymond kicked Steve Adams in the nuts and got nothing.
@@controversialmann5345 One blowout game doesn't make or break a series. See Grizzlies vs Warriors Game 5 as the Grizzlies blew the Warriors out of the water, but the Warriors still took the series. You have to understand that Bogut's injury was the turning point of the series as his absence cause a lack of a real rim protector, which made others have to overhelp on defense in the paint and caused players like Iguodala to play more than they like. If Warriors' 2015 championship is a sham because of injuries, then if you stay consistent with that logic, then so is 2016 Cavs'.
Exactly. When else have you seen Steph struggle to create separation against slow bigs. He was compromised but still played in the Finals and he came up short. But haters ignore the Dubs injuries in 2016 and 2019 and only bring up 2015.
@@controversialmann5345 You're comparing a tweak in Kyrie's foot to a MCL sprain Steph received? That's laughable. And you're leaving out the fact that Andrew Bogut got an injury that made him unplayable for the rest of the Finals, making the Warriors lack rim protection and an interior presence, which causes other problems such as Lebron getting to the rim on demand now, which required others to overhelp in the paint, and extended minutes on other players. Bogut's injury changed the dynamic of the series whether you like it or not.
Draymond said it. There’s ZERO accountability with these people that are called “analysts” who go on tv 5 days a week and just spew disrespect to players
Accountability for what? Making predictions that don't pan out? Yeah, let's give them a solid punishment for not being able to see the Warriors winning a title three years down the road! ... ...
@@m.j.w.2876 Wow, they're not perfect... SHOCKER! Also, they don't all do that. Nick Wright said he was very obviously wrong about the Warriors. How's that inventing excuses?
Steph Curry with Klay, Dray and some depth will always be a contender. They just happened to have the opportunity to sign KD which was a no brainer. To suggest they needed KD to beat Bron is just mindless propaganda.
I love how you said they didn't need the extreme upgrade from Harrison Barnes to Kevin Durant maybe something in between funny you should say that cuz that's exactly what Andrew Wiggins is a perfect Midway point between Barnes and Durant.
Right! I am a Warrior fan, but it was crazy that people thought we would become a bad franchise again after KD left even though we still had the same ownership and roughly the same management that turned us into winners lmfao
@Imagdjamnevan a year ago though this roster was a g league team at best. The warriors developed their players so fast and we might never see anything like this again.
They beat the Celtics! They didn't beat the Bucks! They didn't beat a Healthy Nets team...They beat a inexperienced Celtics team...Yall act as if they beat a Great team🤣🤣🤣 Injuries definitely helped the Warriors over the Grizzlies
@@twizobuckley stop. Warriors blew the grizzlies out by 30 with Ja on the floor and were up 2-1 when he was playing. The Celtics beat everyone in front of them and we're a very good team. You're hating
@@twizobuckley yeah bring the nets, heats and the bucks into the argument who the Celtics beat and swept the nets with a healthy kd and kyrie lol. I'm shock you even use the nets in your argument when celtics have the nets looking like rookies. When GSW defeated that celtics in 6 games. Lmao
I always appreciate your takes LOW no matter what they are because you bring evidence to support your claims, unlike some people who just be talking nonsense.
I genuinely think, most people in the media didn't think the Warriors were good, and thought they were only truly good with KD. That's why when KD left and the injuries happened everyone and their mums were calling it the end. I watched the Warrior's entire season in 2020, and not a single so called analyst talked about how good the Warriors were in 2015 and 2016, and barring injury they could return. It was all because of the superteam with KD. It was then I really understood that these people either don't appreciate or don't understand high IQ basketball, or are paid to talk trash. Most people in the media, whenever they praise Steph, there's always some kind of knock, or caveat. Very few people truly appreciate or think that Steph is a top 10 all time player, which is crazy given how much he has achieved with what was available to him. Like, how do you build a dynasty when your core is #7, #11 and #35 in the draft? People penalized GSW for recruiting KD, but LBJ pairing up with #1 Kyrie and #1 AD is fair game? People called the KD warriors a super team and unfair. Look at the Cavs man, LBJ #1, Kyrie #1, Love #5, Thompson #4 .... But GSW's ability to build what they have isn't great to many people which I find really surprising. Apart from Wiggs who was known as a bust, Warriors don't even have a player that was drafted higher than #7 until 2021.
Dude Lebron went to the Heat with Wade and Bosh! No one ever talks about that team! He had to get with people also to win championships! But they always talk down about Curry and Durant joining each other ?? What a bunch of bs!
Steph has always been the center of the Warriors. They won it without KD before and after. Those are the facts. He opens the game for his teammates even when he's not shooting the lights out. That's reality.
Curry has the highest career true shooting percentage of any high volume scorer in NBA history (over 20 pts per game). This is a gauge of his brilliance, and to translate it into simple terms it means that a Curry shot yields more points than an MJ shot, a LeBron shot, a Shaq shot, a Bird shot, a Kobe shot, a KD shot.......in short, Steph Curry is the most lethal offensive force in NBA history, and there is no one else even close. Top 10 is absurd - Curry or LeBron are the only intelligent choices for GOAT. Bear in mind that the game is always evolving and that players today are selected from a global pool vastly larger than that of players in the 80's. Is there anyone dumb enough to believe that a 1958 version of Bill Russell could step out of a time machine and dominate Giannis, Embiid and the Joker?
@@philwilson609 Jesus Christ this was so obviously bias to today's game completely ignoring any context as to why it's played the way it is today and LeBron and Steph being the only 2 players that should be in goat talks is absolutely laughable and smells of someone who just discovered the NBA around 2015
Curry never choked in the 2015 finals. He struggled against delly in some games but overall he was great in that series and was big for the warriors in game 4 and 5 where he dropped 37 points. People forget the cavs were up 2-1 at that time
@@tj5180 Curry only had one bad game in 2015 finals and as LOW pointed out in the previous video, Delly wasn't the reason he struggled. The Cavs doubled and tripled teamed him. But he still managed to have an MVP worthy series.
The media really doesn't want Steph to be the face of the NBA over Lebron since Lebron is widely considered the 2nd greatest player of all time. If Steph were praised as highly or more, then Steph gets put in the GOAT conversation alongside Lebron and MJ. The media gives Steph as little respect as possible to not look completely stupid (they still fail at this). E.g. They'll say Steph is the GOAT shooter because there's no debate. But anytime there's an actual debate for his all time ranking, then they give Steph the least amount of credit compared to other superstars. E.g. They highball KD's ranking based on his limited accomplishments, there's literally no way ESPN should've ranked KD higher than Steph even before this chip. They lowball Steph's accomplishments as much as possible. Now they say he's top 10 because you basically sound stupid if you rank him lower. But that's his all time ranking floor, not his ceiling. His current ceiling in debates is arguably top 1-3 and Mt Rushmore. Wade put Steph on Mt Rushmore. Ja Morant put him top 5. Iggy said Steph greatest PG. Remember, Wade was already a champion who then played with prime Lebron (on Mt Rushmore) and won more rings with him. He is putting Steph on Mt Rushmore with Lebron because he recognizes Steph is on that level. Magic is commonly considered on Mt Rushmore and people are starting to realize Steph is better than Magic. Steph is pretty much the GOAT offensively. Thinking Basketball did a vid on this. And he's a solid defender, despite the media narrative against this. Steph will eventually be in the GOAT conversation with most ppl, especially as advanced analytics continue to develop and are able to properly measure Steph's impact on his whole team's winning. I believe JimmyHighRoller did a vid showing that Steph has the highest % of added wins to his team than anyone in history. Lebron is #2, and MJ is #3. People will realize over time.
I keep repeating this thing over and over again but the media play such a big role in peoples mind. they repeat what the media says. “can’t win without kd, 2016 he choked (the poor guy was playing on an mcl sprain) and 2019 (i think we all know what happened there). don’t forget he carried a g-league team in 2021 to the play-in and if it weren’t for his injury vs the rockets during the season, they would’ve made it to the playoffs.
Good shit Low. Never understood why people just assumed the Warriors would just never compete with the Cavs ever again when in that series Draymond was suspended, Curry was coming off an injury, and Bogut injured for the most important games. Made no sense at all, but people always called me dumb for breaking their narrative.
@@jordanwilliams9222 yup. I refuse to allow these narratives to not be combated. Steph is amazing. Im not downing the dude from a talent perspective. But all I can say is, if Lebron had done the same exact thing as curry in 2016 we would never hear the end of it. So I’ll make sure I always remind y’all he blew a 3-1 lead, and then recruited a top 3 player to come make sure they don’t lose again while healthy.
Warriors are the luckiest franchise- 2015 Lebron by himself, added kd 2017 and 18, now in 2022 had the easiest way to the Finals but they did perform against the Celtics. Congrats to the Warriors for winning 1.5 Championships
People fear what they don't understand and hate what they can't conquer. - Andrew Smith At this point, I just tune out the haters. Steph doesn't fit their criteria for what an NBA superstar should be so they keep trying to prove themselves right. Started with Charles Barkley saying they couldn't win a championship being a jump shooting team (like what would he know about being an NBA champion?)
the refs even follow this as steph is literally the only superstar who doesnt get superstar treatment. the amount of no call he gets is absurd......if he got just a few of the calls others gets he would have been avg 3-5 more points a game easily. i think it was game 6 this year the refs missed back to back fouls on 3's. steph ends up on the floor near the hoop more than anyone ive ever seen and rarely gets the calls
@@imwithyou38 I've been seriously thinking about that. look at how many fouls and +1 he never gets. Some are whacks straight to the head and face, full arm pushes and stepping on his landing zone... easily 6-7 per game!
JUST SMALLS GUYS RUNNING AROUND SHOOTING THREES...HES JUST MADE BECAUSE IN HIS ERA HE COULD HIT THREE IF HE WAS WIDE OPEN....T.N.T. NOW, THE NEW MEDIA IS GOING TO BE THERE.LMFAO
@imwithyou38 He was hit by J.T. when he had his superstar performance.So you are completely right I seen it all and I was yelling what steph does with his fingers 1,2,3,4.....I wished my little guy could understand this generation how it got change by Mr.Gentleman steph and Mr.funny Klay (THE SPLASH BROTHERS).Klay was only 80 percent and we still won a chip.Bob myers is up to something trust me with the free agency.
2016 was just a blown lead. People just got braindead becuz of the outcome and 3-1 comeback. But they were up 3-1 for a reason men. Its not like the Cavs dominated them from the get go in that finals. They woulda just comeback next year and probably retool with some new players even if they dont get KD. But when KD is available ofcourse its a no brainer i woulda take him no matter what and then keep our important core players and some bench. It took a suspension of Draymond to turn the tides of the series, That was a momentum changing moment in history. I want my team to win and as a GM if i can get a superstar player to dominate i would get him and upgrade our lineup so that we would be unstoppable. i wouldnt care what nayone says, we are winning championship and your team isnt. Thats just about it tho. Warriors did everything right in this era. And i hope those bum asss stupid narratives gets finally shut down and hope they dont exist anymore if they repeat next year.
They should of won 2016 and would have if Green dont get suspended he was the engine to the warriors you can see it in te first 4 games of the celtic series when he out their playing and backing up the team they go when all the talk about suspending him he got passive in boston and were blown out
And they dominated the Cavs inbthe 3 wins big-time. The Suspension changed the series with the heavy injuries to follow. NBA helped change history with a manipulated win for the Cavs
Not just suspension, Warriors also had INJURIES, even Curry himself was injuried but somehow all the haters leave that out just so they can prop up Lebron's legacy it's disgusting.
@@LetMeEatDem And LeBron didn't bitch out and go jump from team to team to ring chase by joining multiple all stars and even tried recruiting KD after the 2017 finals? What about when this bum tried to recruit Kwahi in 2019 after he had already recruited AD? This guy is overrated as fuck.
Any team that doesn’t recruit other players is a poorly run franchise. Lakers were recruiting both Davis and Leonard in one offseason, were you bitching about that too?
And everything curry does is with the refs not calling any fouls for him when he is being mauled off ball. So unlike many superstars (whose stats benefit from superstar calls), curry's stats are actually deflated by the lack of superstar calls
As silly as it sounds, the Finals MVP matters. People build this idea in their heads that because he didn't have a Finals MVP, he's not performing in those series. Of course we know that's ridiculous - no one does it alone. But having that great game 4, winning without Durant, and finally getting that FMVP - these things helped silence a (false) narrative.
The Finals MVP never mattered when people talk about players like David Robinson, Oscar Robertson, Clyde Drexler, Julius Erving and Kevin Garnett.. so why does it matter when we talk about Steph lol. the narrative of Steph “not showing up in the postseason” or “needing KD to win” was fueled by low IQ media heads and fans that don’t tune into basketball. steph’s legacy was already set back in 2016
Wiggins wasn’t just an improved Harrison barnes, he was an all star and the second best player on the team that won the championship. Gotta give this mans his respect for what he did to Tatum in those finals while holding his own offensively
@@evanwrenn402 yeah he was during the regular season before he got hurt. But as you said in the wcf and the final he was easily their best player. What he did to Tatum he pretty much made him a non factor.
i think the point here was taking what you knew wiggins was when he was traded for and not what turned out to be. no on knows how he was going act once he go on the warriors.
Notice the people who have always discredited Steph - mostly clowns who never played in the NBA or ex-players who are bench warmers and never get to play w/Steph. The Greats of the Game respect Steph. It's the dumbest vs the greatest.
2009 KOBE BRYANT Won his 4th Championship and First Finals MVP. (13th Year in the League @ the same Team) *2022 STEPHEN CURRY Won his* *4th CHAMPIONSHIP and First FINALS MVP* *(13th Year in the League @ the same Team)*
@@joezxc no, he can't. He literally got owned by Miami's defense in 2012 Finals. Only Westbrook showed up in that series. Both him and Harden choked really hard that time.
FINALLY!! Someone said it! If the Cavs were healthy argument in 2016 should be put to bed. If they are really that good, why did GSW pushed them to 3-1 in 2017, and have to claw their way back up? Shouldn’t have they beat GSW convincingly? It’s the same GSW roster in 2016, right? Oh and don’t give me that they are 73-9 that year. People only use that to boost Bron’s goat case. That’s a separate discussion. They were a 67 win team the year they won it. They are legit even back in the 2016 finals. I’m so glad they won it this year, and shut up all the nay sayers on all kind of asterisk they want to put in their name. Ofcourse they will be haters. Part of winning. Good thing now is that it’s easier to spot them haters.
I tried to tell people that game 3 of the 2015 Finals is where the series was decided. If you go back and watch that 4th quarter you see Steph finally see the shots that made him a phenomenon start to fall. Then as he exits the floor on his way to the tunnel he’s shaking his head. For me, and how I saw that head shake; I was convinced he was saying to himself “bro, you tripping. It’s just hoop. We been doing this our whole lives.” Ironically enough as I just type those words I was reminded…if I remember correctly, that at some point this Finals Curry was asked about his advice to the young guys and I believe he said “it’s just basketball”. Anyway, I hope ppl go back and check the 4th quarter of finals game 3 in 2015 and watch for the change in Steph’s body language. Cavs were smoking the dubs pretty much all game but they lost that series the same night.
One of my fav games especially when he woke up N the end running off what about 3 screens before dropping that 3 that should have been a four point play ✊🏽
Great take!!!! I’ve said and thought the same thing. The people in the “know” always say KD was needed and that we wouldn’t have won in 2015 if Kyrie and Love played. All the while ignoring that in 2016, Curry was playing hurt, back spasms caught up with Iggy, Bogut didn’t play in games 6&7 (he got hurt in game 5). A game 5 in which Green was suspended. The 2 keys to our offense and defense didn’t play in game 5. Those injuries are always overlooked. And if Love and Kyrie were so great, why were they down 3-1 and needed a suspension and injuries to key starters to win? Too much hating🤔🤔🤔
As long as the Warriors have Curry, Klay, and Draymond, and those three stay healthy, they're contenders. And Kendrick Perkins? That bro needs to keep his hot takes to himself. He obviously doesn't know the game nearly as well he he'd like to think he does. And he's certainly not a good analyst.
People forget that in game 4 nba finals 2016 steph had 38. He struggled in the series but was lethal in that game to get the warriors up 3-1. People also forgetting how much steph was doubled and how Harrison Barnes missed so many open shots .
I remember the day before we landed KD, I think Hassan Whiteside was available and I was hoping we'd land him because the only reason we lost in 2016 was because we had no rim protection after Bogut got hurt.
@@TheInferno0099 There weren't really any other SF options and it was the year that the salaries blew up because of the TV deal. They would have had to give Barnes ~$20-25 million. They ended up paying KD $25 million and Dallas gave Barnes $22 million.
@@futurekillerful For me he was 12 before this championship. Now I have him between 8-6. Even being conservative, at least Wilt has to move out at this point, so he's definitely top 10.
@@futurekillerful these kids are 13 and never even watched any of the top 10 players. Just laugh at their ignorance. Nobody in the top 10 blew a 3-1 lead in the finals and then recruited a top 3 player to come help make them unbeatable. Nobody in the top 10 is THAT mentally weak.
We going to remember the Golden State Warriors Dynasty for Decades we should all appreciate Greatness now because when these stars are gone you all gonna miss them, and I am sure 10-20 years from now we can proudly say we witness this team on their prime on to the newer generations to come.
The argument that Steph needs to absolutely ball out and have these incredible moments is like saying Duncan should be putting up 40-50 with the spurs. They don't have these astronomical stat games because they don't need to! They're playing in a well oiled system and play their part! I can see the argument for curry cause he's a guard but he doesn't play in an iso heavy offense where it's all him and everyone plays off that. They work through rotations, screens, and team ball. Just apples to oranges in my eyes.
I think the talking heads don't understand Steph's game. It is easy to see the dominant force in Lebron or the unstoppable Durant midrange, or the Kyrie moves. That is because its on ball. Curry is the best off ball basketball player of all time as well as shooting.
7:24 "Young players don't help you win in the playoffs" Going into another sport briefly, this was literally said just days after a 24 year old Patrick Mahomes helped the Kansas City Chiefs win a Super Bowl in his third season in the league.
Mahomes is an outlier and young players don't help most of the time. Boston young players didn't play well and Jordan Poole took 4 games to really do anything.
They shut everybody up I’m not a warriors fan but I respect them as a team that rebuilded their team around Steph dray and klay struggled throughout times but they stuck together and now there champions once again
No tf they didn’t lmao. A lot of people are still on their top over signing KD. If Curry was so amazing, he wouldn’t of done that. If Lebron had recruited KD, he would never hear the end of it. Y’all just shield your little 6’3 skinny lightskin in under armours.
@@LetMeEatDem guess you didn’t watch the video dumbah 2 finals appearances and won 1 out those 2 and even though they won 3 straight they won 4-3 by 4 points they barely beat us 😂🤡
I want to see the 90’s bulls deal with this BS. Go watch the 96 finals. Your up 3-0 lose 2 and MJ comes out shoots .263/.333/.917 with 5 TO’s in a close out game. Rodman and Pippin saved his ass, but that doesn’t get mentioned in last dance.
This is the first video from your channel I'm watching, and I must say that you've done justice to the warriors team amid all the slander. Those so called "analyst" clearly have alot to learn from u. Cheers mate.
Wiggins didn't account for everything the Warriors lost in the KD saga. The strength in numbers identity, for one, took a hit. It definitely wasn't just losing KD that mattered.
I love KD as a person and I think he absolutely gave everything he had in 2019 for the Warriors. However, this notion of KD was needed for the Warriors to win has to stop. This is so stupid The only reason that the media refuses to admit or even entertain the possibility that KD wasn't NEEDED to win a ring is that it would hurt Lebron's legacy. The 2016 finals went to game7 in the last minute. The Warriors were as close as winning a championship without actually winning one. And we all know a lot of stuff happened in 2016 so it went to Cavs way and we give them credits. However, right before KD joined the Warriors, Vegas still had the Warriors as the favorite to win. Those odds are, of course, just a rough idea of where a team stands before anything happens in the summer but that's the only objective info as we can get and it's better than nothing. What I don't understand is how the media keeps on pushing the narrative that KD was NEEDED for the Warriors to win. It doesn't make any sense. If it comes to any other teams which lost in the finals, we don't go like, oh they definitely NEED another top 5 player to win, let alone a team with the best regular season record in NBA history. You wouldn't say that to the 2013 Spurs which lost in a g7 also. You wouldn't say that to the 2008 Lakers which lost in six not seven. You also wouldn't say that to the Miami Heat in 2011 when they lost in six not seven to the Mavs. And are we going to say that to this Boston Celtics team? The current top 5 players for me is Giannis, Steph, Luka, Jokic and Embild. So the Celtics NEED 1 of them to win?? But somehow, a Warriors team led by a 2 times MVP, one unanimous, all of a sudden, definitely NEEDED another top 5 player to win. Before this year, I rarely heard anyone from the media entertain the idea that the Warriors could have any chance of winning without KD in 2017 and 2018. It's really simple. Because if the media keeps on pushing this narrative so that people believe that KD was the reason for the Warriors to win, Steph would be perceived as someone who needed help, but when if fact he didn't. What if we keep it real and look at KD as a luxury who simply gave the Warriors a higher chance of winning from maybe 60-70 percent to 95 percent? That would mean that a team led by a point guard who is 6'3 could be matched against the Cavs led by Lebron, who was constantly being pushed by the media to be in GOAT contention. That would not be a good look for Lebron because if he cannot even beat a player who plays in the same era, how could he be considered in a GOAT conversation? You also would question Lebron's dominance. It' really weird that when it comes to other things like politics, people always question the information they are given but when it comes to sports, fans just take whatever the media gives them, sometimes without much evidence. Lebron was being compared to Michael Jordan when he only had 3 rings and without that much career numbers he is having right now. He somehow passed Shaq, Kareem, Kobe, Tim Duncan, Magic, Larry Bird and Hakeem just because he has 3 rings. What most people fail to realize is that Lebron's 8 straight finals appearance only ran into ONE player who is selected as ALL-NBA-FIRST team that year in Derrick Rose. The Warriors in 2022 playoffs ran into THREE players who are selected ALL-NBA-FIRST team. They are Nikola Jokic, Jayson Tatum and Luka Doncic. It's funny because even some Warriors fans are not aware of how great Stephen Curry is but I would say it. The gap between Lebron and Steph is so small and if you value winning over career stats or longevity, you could have Steph ahead of Lebron. How about KD? He is never the second best player to begin with as he only went to 1 finals outside of the Warriors run. Kawhi is even more impressive than KD in terms of post season success. Yes, Kawhi again, beat an injured Warriors but let's not forget that Kawhi was limping in the conference finals as well. Also Kawhi didn't even have another superstar/hof to play with. *Playoffs plus-minus KD(outside Warriors) 2.27 Steph(without KD) 4.83
FMVP is the most overrated award of All time. Steph curry is in the top 5 when it comes to most finals 30 point games at number 4. Also has the second highest scoring average in game winning clinching games behind only Michael Jordan. He should’ve been FMVPs at least three times
@@austinhowser7838 how was the finals mvp overrated? I agree people have to stop using finals mvp but Kawhi 100 % deserved that finals mvp in 2014 and parker as well.
Great video bro! I always knew this stuff but never really put it all together to crush these bs narratives! We as fans should do our part and blast this video over every NBA sports analyst Twitter accounts. It's time to apply pressure back to these clown ass talking heads like max Kellerman, Kendrick Perkins, and nick "wrong".
Man this dynasty is something else!!! How could you not give them a chance?? The Western conference has no other dynasties!! These other teams have massive holes and aren’t impossible to beat like the KD Steph warriors were!! People just using hyperbole!!
I love your content and I love you on playback. Keep it up man you make fire videos. I know these videos must take forever to make and I appreciate them
The barnes part was the key, the man was left open all the time in both series and choked both times. And if you really look at their numbers, curry’s teammates really didn’t show up at all in terms of shooting in either series including thompson. In the 2016 finals, curry’s teammates shot below 30% on OPEN 3’s. So when lebron fans push this agenda that if he and Curry switched teams lebron would’ve won both times, it’s kind of laughable because curry’s teammates (other than iggy in 15 and Draymond a few times in 16), really shot just as poorly as lebrons teammates did in 2015. Just because their names were held as higher value than the names on the Cavs, doesnt mean they were more helpful to curry than the Cavs were to lebron in those particular series. Kyrie in 2016 was the most help either player got in those two series and it’s not even close, as he was just as good as lebron was during that series. And although ppl will argue Klay was the second star to match kyrie and Draymond and love were the 3’s which made it an even matchup, Klay really only had one good series his whole career in the finals which was the 4 1/2 games he played in 2019, and Draymond only represented a third option once which was for a few games of 2016. The retroactive judgment people make on the amount of help Curry had and lebron had has distorted history for most people. And the second key part to this is that the injured warriors were 5 points away from beating the Cavs in game 7 with injuries to Curry, bogut, igoudala, and a suspension to green, while the Cavs with just love and kyrie injured couldnt even push the warriors to a game 7, so how did that prove the warriors were so far behind them? If anything that proves if both were healthy the warriors probably win in 5 or 6 despite curry’s teammates shooting like trash both series. And the worst thing those people do is say gs was bitch made for getting durant which obviously I somewhat agree with, but I can’t hop on that bandwagon when David griffin has literally said they were trying to sign KD as well. If the Cavs had got KD and not the warriors no one would have a problem but since it hindered lebron everyone complained. These same people wanted the lakers to consist of lebron, ad, Kawhi, Paul George, and dame. Like they wouldn’t have a problem with that team tho 😂. And btw the narrative that the warriors lost and then realized they needed KD is also proven false, as you can see a bleacher report article from 2015 regular season that gs was gonna make a run at KD when he became a free agent in the 16 offseason. That’s why all their role players accept Livingston and iggy (barnes, barbosa, speights, bogut, rush, ezeli etc) the guys who gave them the best bench in the league and are the reason they could win 73 games, all had expiring contracts in that offseason. Their front office had those played signed only up till then because they knew they were gonna make a run at KD that offseason, and that is why the narrative “KD joined the 73-9 warriors” is also false. He joined the core of curry Klay Draymond iggy and Livingston while all the other players on the roster were gone. Because they brought KD in the became too heavy and didn’t really have any depth, which is ultimately why they couldn’t defeat toronto without kd. Had they used that cap on depth they defiantly would’ve taken out the raptors, as curry and thompson were the only legitimate scorers they had that series
Ok I’m not reading all that. But let Lebron have a teammate miss a bunch of wide open shots and lose. He would get slandered to no end. If curry is as amazing as y’all claim, it shouldn’t matter. Y’all are not gonna sit there and blame a 3-1 blown series on a fucking 4th option role player. Oh, and iggy was on the floor when the game truly mattered. Not Barnes.
This is so easy to see…but people pretend that they are blind and basketball illiterate to bash my guy Curry( the Warriors)… lol but he keeps proving them wrong. Two more chips and am putting him just under MJ. I loved your video man! You hit on all the points on the head…Steph’s out of this world and everyone can clearly see this but some people just gotta hate and lie.
Basically, Curry should have 6 rings by now. 2016 the league stepped in a suspended Draymond for a pivotal Game 5 up 3-1, then Bogut and Iggy got hurt (literally lost their defensive anchors). Then 2019 Klay and Durant were hurt right as the finals came around. That’s TWO rings robbed from Steph because of circumstances/not cause Curry came up short as a player. He’d be better than Jordan by now
Um basically Steph shouldn’t shoot 6/20 in the last three fourth quarters of the 2016 finals and be the primary catalyst behind the biggest choke in NBA and maybe sports history. Maybe Steph shouldn’t have shot 9/26 in the 2019 finals in the fourth quarter.
@@daonlygoat easy to say that when you legit lose half your team midway through the finals and have fking box & 1 defensive coverages ran on you, unable to rely on other scorers for help. Did you know that Steph in this years finals when he was on the bench, his team averaged the worst offensive rating in the finals over the past 50 YEARS. When he’s on the floor, they ranked 1st out of every team.
@@controversialmann5345 Five is better than four. So technically, Lebron still has four. And steph should have five. Your take is right tho. Just saying steph couldve won five without injuries
Thank you for making this video! More sheep out there need to watch and learn! How can you led a team to a 73 win season, the best in history and still hear can Curry lead a team? The funny thing that these useless idiots are doing and saying it again! Saying the Warriors have no chance to repeat...Do you realize how much rest the core is going to be able to get next year while the league is trying to figure out what to do about Wiseman and Kuminga! They learned from 2016 that the most important thing was to go into the playoffs healthy! If y'all hated the Warriors before you're really going to hate them over the next few years!
@@LetMeEatDem cry me an ocean boo fucking hoo lmfao but then you say that Durant joining a 73-9 win team ain't fair lmfao. Just shut up. Ur embarrassing urself
They literally forgot one of the main reason Cavs won in 2016 was Draymond's game 5 suspension the warriors doesn't have their best defensive player in game 5 the whole KD scenario isn't even a thing they can win with or without KD
To be fair I can understand how Wiggins underperformed with that much pressure on him he was supposed to be the franchise player that Timberwolves game and there were like three guys at least it were better than him already on the team with Karl Anthony towns Derrick Rose did was making a good comeback in his career and Jimmy Butler
Wiggins was the go to option till jimmy came took over his team made it seem he was not needed I feel like if the wolves developed him surrounded with shooters that team would’ve been way better cuz butler and wiggins take the same kind of shots so when they played the rockets they shot them out the playoffs cuz they had no three point shooting
@@yahiaali4059 nah I disagree when jimmy got there wiggins was still taking the most shots but they weren’t winning cos wiggins was inefficient and both him and towns weren’t playing any defense. That’s when jimmy started taking over and they started actually winning games they were like a 4 or a 5th seed until jimmy got injured and almost slid out of the playoffs and butler had to come back on the last game of the regular season to beat Denver to that playoff spot.
@@mybestofriendo4615 chill bro making it seem like kat and wiggins did nothing at all they averaged 19 and 21ppg so they weren’t scrubs butler is a great all nba player but you need shooting in the league to get far in that starting lineup doesn’t hAve enough of it
@@yahiaali4059 and what did that do? They had good averages but the reason the t wolves sucked was cos of their defense. I’m a warriors fan so I love wiggins and the player he’s become but I watched a lot of the t wolves back then and their points had no impact on winning hence why they only made the playoffs once in that time and they almost messed that up cos jimmy was injured. Wiggins just needed to be in a better environment to flourish and he fit perfectly with golden state.
Thank u Low I've been preaching this. People will say the warriors needed kd cuz they couldn't hang with the cavs Ummmm do people know that series went 7 despite curry having his worst series ever and kyrie/bron going nuclear Just a dumb take the media and casuals push
Thanks for this vid bro. I’m a big curry fan so I’m biased toward his greatness, but i honestly get existential anxiety when I hear these Steph narratives. It terrifies me that people can deny FACTS to that extent. I like my world to make sense lol and factually Steph has some of the greatest numbers of anyone in NBA history.!
the 2017 team, KD’s first year, they went 16-1 through the playoffs. that 1 game was a gimme to leBrony. and that 2016 team kinda shot themselves in the foot. first, they chased after that 73-win record. then they had to go back from 1-3 themselves against OKC the previous series, AND Draymond got himself suspended for the critical cliseout game 5. then they had to panic after that loss, and recruited KD.
Never understood the “panic” recruiting of Kevin Durant everyone seems to think the warriors did. dude if Kevin Durant was available and your team was able to pick him up, why the fuck won’t they
@@ubadman1 EVERY team wanted (or was “interested” in) KD when his free agency was coming up. you’d be an idiot to not at least explore the possibility of recruiting the guy. just by luck, CAP space skyrocketed that year and Curry’s contract was still on a cheap rookie extension contract due to his early career injuries. AND KD really wanted to go to GSW himself. he could’ve gone somewhere else or stayed at OKC, but GSW offered him the best opportunity to get that chip. yes. that was a panic move. if GSW didn’t have that CAP space, they could have just traded away Barnes for someone better at a less than KD price. and they KNEW that’s all they needed. but there were also strategically two valid reasons for the KD move. 1, to upgrade. 2, most importantly to keep KD away from other teams, especially western teams.
Thank you for this video. GSW was literally a couple of points away from winning in 2016. ESPN did a great job of manipulating everyone into thinking that GSW needed KD. Glad they proved the doubters wrong again.
I never understood that brainwashing narrative when the Warriors we're clearly up 3-1 on the Cavs, before Draymond got suspended and combined with Curry and Bogut's lingering injuries. It couldn't defeat logic to me. I knew Wiggins would be a solid fit as a replacement for KD being that it was Harrison Barnes before KD with all the success and knowing Wiggins can more than fill those shoes.
I believe KD and GS were a business decision made due to Brons star power or pull, it was an advantage. Dare I say it was the reason dray actually was suspended, and steph was fouled out the next game. Politics played a part in that series, go back to the presser right after game 4, down 3-1 Bron was pouting and said " I don't expect the NBA to do anything about it"
@@LetMeEatDem what happened was Lebron colluded with refs and NBA commissioner. How can any team without the clout like Lebron beat that? Fortunately that gave Warriors an excuse to acquire a top 3 player and form a superteam the world has never seen before. Now no amount of colluding with refs and NBA commissioner is going to stop this train. Also fortunately they became one of the most dominant teams ever created -- arguably the best. Thus Warriors franchise and this core trio became even more legendary and an instant icon in the history books. At the expense of Lebron's legacy, ironically.
steph #3 all-time behind mj and kareem, mount rushmore, his impact on winning is just incredible. he's always been the bus driver and built it from scratch at GS.
Imagine going 69-13 and winning the ring in 2015, then going 73-9 and being game away from going back to back, and then everyone acts surprised when that same core wins again.
67-15 in 2015
James, exactly! People are so amazingly dumb its staggering. I said it all year and when the playoffs started that the Dubs would win it all.
*67-15 but I get your point
@@TaybeenTrill248 same shit
No one is talking about the calls in that series... they were ridiculous. James got many phantom calls and Curry 'got' many no-calls. The refs were on a tear of their own to write history
One of the dumbest popular narratives out there is that the Warriors just weren't on the Cavs level and that's why they got KD. If that were actually true, then people wouldn't call it a choke job. Since how do you choke if you're the way worse team? These the same people who called Steph, Klay and Draymond bums but also call the Warriors a Superteam lmao. You can't downplay them but also at the same time use them to hype up LeBron's legacy.
Facts
Anyone who was around in 2015/16 should know that the warriors were heavy favorites in that series. No one thought the 73-9 warriors needed KD to beat the cavs. They were always the superior team. That's why everyone freaked out because it made them completely unbeatable.
These skip bayless characters are trying to rewrite history whenever it suits their agenda.
Another one that Warriors haters always said is "they can't beat Lebron without KD" like wtf? They are 3-1 before blowing that lead, it's not like Cavs won in 4-1 or 4-0 by their logic you can say most of these NBA fans are hypocrite clowns haters. 🥶
It took playing Curry playing the worst he's ever played up to that point of the season, the Cavs making the greatest comeback in NBA history, in that game 7, Lebron making an all time block and Kyrie making an all time 3 for the Cavs to barely squeeze out that championship win. Yet the Warriors weren't good enough to beat them without KD? They were up 3-1 for a reason lol.
@@goodpeople1234 Forgot the Bogut series ending injury and Curry playing hurt.
How dare anyone doubt Nick Wright, he's only been wrong on almost everything without ever admitting it.
Don't hate on Nick it's not like it's his job or anything
He literally admitted it. He was wrong on josh Allen and took a mustard bath and he was wrong on Wiggins and called it his worst take ever. Dudes not a psychic, he’s going to be wrong time to time.
@@Primenumber19 well if he wasn't such a Chief homer and Warriors hater nobody would bash his punk a.ss.
I think at the end of the day people gotta understand that he's just doing his job. Right or wrong. Smart or stupid takes, the dude is doing his job. Being controversial and making way for conversations about whatever topic.
@@Primenumber19 time to time means he's right from time to time which is not true at all.
Can’t imagine saying that a guy with 4 rings, who averages 27/6/6 on 43/39/91 in the Finals, with a .694 postseason record is a bad playoff performer.
Those are better numbers than Kobe Bryant’s
Yeah I’m a huge Kobe fan but curry has been just as or more impressive than Kobe in a lot of series
God blessed gigi and kobe....kobe was inspiration to most players even steph klay and dray loved his legacy.
This finals he average 31/7/7..50/40/90..very impressive in my books..
I've been saying this for YEARS how it made no sense for people to say that Warriors couldn't beat Lebron or the Cavs without Kevin Durant when they clearly showed that they could. Having Durant just made them impossible to beat. But to say that they NEEDED Durant to win just never made any sense.
Tbh the management is crazy they took two guys in Poole and Wiggins who were overlooked and in Wiggins case seemed like lost potential and turned them into key players they also got a lot of of looney and Payton jr two lower draft picks who are underrated
It was run by Curry haters(aka LeBron fans) after the 2016 finals. It's like the Schrodinger's cat paradox , LeBron fans ran with this narrative that LeBron beat the greatest team of all time and made him the goat but at the same time they also said the warriors needed KD to beat them in 2017 and 2018 , how's that even possible? How could you call a team the greatest team of all time then say they needed KD, and it gets even crazier when you look at all the stuff that happened in 2016 for them to win in 7 games from draymond suspension,bogut's injury, Barnes being useless to curry re-aggravating his MCL...
Everyone is theorizing CLE would've beaten a GSW team without KD in 2017 & 2018. Ok, let's say that's the case, that means GSW still BEATS DURANT AND THE OKC THUNDER in the west bracket, assuming KD stayed in OKC.
Also if they didn't get KD at that time they would have gotten another allstar player instead and still won...they just had the money at that time
They lost 24 games in two seasons before KD came. 24. Crazy how they were doubted
Magic being a FMVP as a rookie literally existing in the void.
Nick Wright 😅😅😅
Anomaly.
Stephen Curry always doesn't get the appreciation he deserves, even after he won this year's Finals MVP, there were many who doubted he was better than KD
I think that's why he was balling after they won. all the hate, false narratives, and negativity. the man just wants respect. I know he felt like a sandbag was lifted off his shoulders when he won. if you watched the game when he scored 43, he looked like he was on a mission!!!
those haters are nike paid trolls
KD is better skilled at but not a better player
@@kingcort8073 exactly. If I have to pick a player to score with my team down 1, i would pick KD; but if I have to pick a player to build a team around, Curry is definitely my choice.
I say: in the end, history will put him OVER Lebron James.
His career (given that he stays healthy) is far from over. There might be 1 to 3 more rings waiting.
Like draymond said, “ when we start every single series together we’re undefeated”- that holds true to this day
The Warriors weren't fully healthy in 2016. Steph suffered from a MCLsprain earlier in the playoffs, Iggy started suffering from back problems in the Finals, and worse of them all Bogut, there only rim protector that swatted everything coming near the bucket in that Finals, has gotten injured in the middle of Game 5 and never returned, which allowed Bron and Irving to get to the rim on command. So no. Golden State was not healthy in those 2016 Finals.
Neither were the Cavs Kyrie had a bad foot Kev Love was playin thru a concussion and they blew GS out game 3. Everyone back sour in the playoffs.
Steph knee was banged up ehh he still didn’t play well he stunk it up when u a star u cant play like that at that stage. They NEEDED TO WIN 1 GAME!
Draymond did it to himself. Also if u play and u know that and u looking for an advantage u will do the same thing to taunt Draymond plus Draymond kicked Steve Adams in the nuts and got nothing.
They took kd to have an easier west so they won't have more injuries in the finals, you know, like Lebum in the east.
@@controversialmann5345 One blowout game doesn't make or break a series. See Grizzlies vs Warriors Game 5 as the Grizzlies blew the Warriors out of the water, but the Warriors still took the series.
You have to understand that Bogut's injury was the turning point of the series as his absence cause a lack of a real rim protector, which made others have to overhelp on defense in the paint and caused players like Iguodala to play more than they like.
If Warriors' 2015 championship is a sham because of injuries, then if you stay consistent with that logic, then so is 2016 Cavs'.
Exactly. When else have you seen Steph struggle to create separation against slow bigs. He was compromised but still played in the Finals and he came up short. But haters ignore the Dubs injuries in 2016 and 2019 and only bring up 2015.
@@controversialmann5345 You're comparing a tweak in Kyrie's foot to a MCL sprain Steph received? That's laughable. And you're leaving out the fact that Andrew Bogut got an injury that made him unplayable for the rest of the Finals, making the Warriors lack rim protection and an interior presence, which causes other problems such as Lebron getting to the rim on demand now, which required others to overhelp in the paint, and extended minutes on other players.
Bogut's injury changed the dynamic of the series whether you like it or not.
Draymond said it. There’s ZERO accountability with these people that are called “analysts” who go on tv 5 days a week and just spew disrespect to players
Accountability for what? Making predictions that don't pan out? Yeah, let's give them a solid punishment for not being able to see the Warriors winning a title three years down the road! ... ...
@@maniravsadhur8409 point is they take all the credit when they are right and spew dumb excuses when they aren't
@@m.j.w.2876 Wow, they're not perfect... SHOCKER! Also, they don't all do that. Nick Wright said he was very obviously wrong about the Warriors. How's that inventing excuses?
@@maniravsadhur8409 Nick Wright is the excuse king, especially when it comes to LeBron or his KC Chiefs
@@m.j.w.2876 That's as may be, but he said flat out that he was dead wrong about the Warriors and Wiggins.
Steph Curry with Klay, Dray and some depth will always be a contender. They just happened to have the opportunity to sign KD which was a no brainer. To suggest they needed KD to beat Bron is just mindless propaganda.
I love how you said they didn't need the extreme upgrade from Harrison Barnes to Kevin Durant maybe something in between funny you should say that cuz that's exactly what Andrew Wiggins is a perfect Midway point between Barnes and Durant.
Exactly my thought!
Wiggins plays better D than both of them.
yes hence why I said midway point. Barnes
Just the right piece man 😂 Wiggins destiny was to be a warrior
I'm not a warriors fan but I was baffled that ppl said the warriors cant win anymore shit was ridiculous
Right! I am a Warrior fan, but it was crazy that people thought we would become a bad franchise again after KD left even though we still had the same ownership and roughly the same management that turned us into winners lmfao
@Imagdjamnevan a year ago though this roster was a g league team at best. The warriors developed their players so fast and we might never see anything like this again.
They beat the Celtics! They didn't beat the Bucks! They didn't beat a Healthy Nets team...They beat a inexperienced Celtics team...Yall act as if they beat a Great team🤣🤣🤣 Injuries definitely helped the Warriors over the Grizzlies
@@twizobuckley stop. Warriors blew the grizzlies out by 30 with Ja on the floor and were up 2-1 when he was playing. The Celtics beat everyone in front of them and we're a very good team. You're hating
@@twizobuckley yeah bring the nets, heats and the bucks into the argument who the Celtics beat and swept the nets with a healthy kd and kyrie lol. I'm shock you even use the nets in your argument when celtics have the nets looking like rookies. When GSW defeated that celtics in 6 games. Lmao
I always appreciate your takes LOW no matter what they are because you bring evidence to support your claims, unlike some people who just be talking nonsense.
ACTUAL FACTS
Even if you disagree he has a line of reasoning, which i appreciate from New media in general (whether its JJ on his pod, or LOW here)
And here I am appreciating him for his sultry voice
@@ronaldomendoza7578 No doubt.
@@laserodds6289 Lol.
I genuinely think, most people in the media didn't think the Warriors were good, and thought they were only truly good with KD. That's why when KD left and the injuries happened everyone and their mums were calling it the end. I watched the Warrior's entire season in 2020, and not a single so called analyst talked about how good the Warriors were in 2015 and 2016, and barring injury they could return. It was all because of the superteam with KD. It was then I really understood that these people either don't appreciate or don't understand high IQ basketball, or are paid to talk trash. Most people in the media, whenever they praise Steph, there's always some kind of knock, or caveat. Very few people truly appreciate or think that Steph is a top 10 all time player, which is crazy given how much he has achieved with what was available to him. Like, how do you build a dynasty when your core is #7, #11 and #35 in the draft? People penalized GSW for recruiting KD, but LBJ pairing up with #1 Kyrie and #1 AD is fair game? People called the KD warriors a super team and unfair. Look at the Cavs man, LBJ #1, Kyrie #1, Love #5, Thompson #4 .... But GSW's ability to build what they have isn't great to many people which I find really surprising. Apart from Wiggs who was known as a bust, Warriors don't even have a player that was drafted higher than #7 until 2021.
We’re gonna have to see how wiseman develops but in Lacob we trust🙏🏾
They went 73-9 without KD
we need more teams like the warriors in terms of development...or I'm just a sucker for underdog stories...
@Jonathan stop talkin bout basketball ur ah casual nigga
Dude Lebron went to the Heat with Wade and Bosh! No one ever talks about that team! He had to get with people also to win championships! But they always talk down about Curry and Durant joining each other ?? What a bunch of bs!
Steph has always been the center of the Warriors. They won it without KD before and after. Those are the facts. He opens the game for his teammates even when he's not shooting the lights out. That's reality.
Curry has the highest career true shooting percentage of any high volume scorer in NBA history (over 20 pts per game). This is a gauge of his brilliance, and to translate it into simple terms it means that a Curry shot yields more points than an MJ shot, a LeBron shot, a Shaq shot, a Bird shot, a Kobe shot, a KD shot.......in short, Steph Curry is the most lethal offensive force in NBA history, and there is no one else even close. Top 10 is absurd - Curry or LeBron are the only intelligent choices for GOAT. Bear in mind that the game is always evolving and that players today are selected from a global pool vastly larger than that of players in the 80's. Is there anyone dumb enough to believe that a 1958 version of Bill Russell could step out of a time machine and dominate Giannis, Embiid and the Joker?
@@philwilson609 Jesus Christ this was so obviously bias to today's game completely ignoring any context as to why it's played the way it is today and LeBron and Steph being the only 2 players that should be in goat talks is absolutely laughable and smells of someone who just discovered the NBA around 2015
it’s because of his gravity. he attracts so much attention that it leaves players wide open
The one notion of Curry being a bad playoff performer because of 1 bad finals series in a long playoff career really pisses me off.
Curry never choked in the 2015 finals. He struggled against delly in some games but overall he was great in that series and was big for the warriors in game 4 and 5 where he dropped 37 points. People forget the cavs were up 2-1 at that time
@@tj5180 Curry only had one bad game in 2015 finals and as LOW pointed out in the previous video, Delly wasn't the reason he struggled. The Cavs doubled and tripled teamed him. But he still managed to have an MVP worthy series.
The media really doesn't want Steph to be the face of the NBA over Lebron since Lebron is widely considered the 2nd greatest player of all time. If Steph were praised as highly or more, then Steph gets put in the GOAT conversation alongside Lebron and MJ.
The media gives Steph as little respect as possible to not look completely stupid (they still fail at this). E.g. They'll say Steph is the GOAT shooter because there's no debate. But anytime there's an actual debate for his all time ranking, then they give Steph the least amount of credit compared to other superstars. E.g. They highball KD's ranking based on his limited accomplishments, there's literally no way ESPN should've ranked KD higher than Steph even before this chip. They lowball Steph's accomplishments as much as possible. Now they say he's top 10 because you basically sound stupid if you rank him lower. But that's his all time ranking floor, not his ceiling. His current ceiling in debates is arguably top 1-3 and Mt Rushmore.
Wade put Steph on Mt Rushmore. Ja Morant put him top 5. Iggy said Steph greatest PG. Remember, Wade was already a champion who then played with prime Lebron (on Mt Rushmore) and won more rings with him. He is putting Steph on Mt Rushmore with Lebron because he recognizes Steph is on that level. Magic is commonly considered on Mt Rushmore and people are starting to realize Steph is better than Magic.
Steph is pretty much the GOAT offensively. Thinking Basketball did a vid on this. And he's a solid defender, despite the media narrative against this.
Steph will eventually be in the GOAT conversation with most ppl, especially as advanced analytics continue to develop and are able to properly measure Steph's impact on his whole team's winning. I believe JimmyHighRoller did a vid showing that Steph has the highest % of added wins to his team than anyone in history. Lebron is #2, and MJ is #3. People will realize over time.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. Saving this comment for when it comes. And when it comes, boy will it be sweet.
I keep repeating this thing over and over again but the media play such a big role in peoples mind. they repeat what the media says. “can’t win without kd, 2016 he choked (the poor guy was playing on an mcl sprain) and 2019 (i think we all know what happened there). don’t forget he carried a g-league team in 2021 to the play-in and if it weren’t for his injury vs the rockets during the season, they would’ve made it to the playoffs.
Good shit Low. Never understood why people just assumed the Warriors would just never compete with the Cavs ever again when in that series Draymond was suspended, Curry was coming off an injury, and Bogut injured for the most important games. Made no sense at all, but people always called me dumb for breaking their narrative.
When Steph, Klay, and Dray start every game in a playoff series, they've never lost. Ever.
They were all starting in game 6 and 7 in 2016, what happened?
@@LetMeEatDem every game in a series. Reading comprehension lol
@@benmubbala I understood what he said. It’s a dumb ass point. Who gives af? They were all playing in game 6 and 7 and couldn’t get it done.
@@LetMeEatDem damn you really all over the place
@@jordanwilliams9222 yup. I refuse to allow these narratives to not be combated. Steph is amazing. Im not downing the dude from a talent perspective. But all I can say is, if Lebron had done the same exact thing as curry in 2016 we would never hear the end of it. So I’ll make sure I always remind y’all he blew a 3-1 lead, and then recruited a top 3 player to come make sure they don’t lose again while healthy.
They hate the warriors tbh , because of the success they've been through 😂
no they hated them bc they were a superteam for 3. years
Warriors are the luckiest franchise- 2015 Lebron by himself, added kd 2017 and 18, now in 2022 had the easiest way to the Finals but they did perform against the Celtics. Congrats to the Warriors for winning 1.5 Championships
@@jit1709 all the hate you just saw was literally after KD left. They weren't a superteam.
@@edx_elite6949 lucky huh that's how u call it , warriors build there players not bought just keep on hating 🤣🤣🤣
@@edx_elite6949 switching teams like LeBron is the definition of lucky carry on 🤣🤣👍👍
People fear what they don't understand and hate what they can't conquer.
- Andrew Smith
At this point, I just tune out the haters. Steph doesn't fit their criteria for what an NBA superstar should be so they keep trying to prove themselves right. Started with Charles Barkley saying they couldn't win a championship being a jump shooting team (like what would he know about being an NBA champion?)
the refs even follow this as steph is literally the only superstar who doesnt get superstar treatment. the amount of no call he gets is absurd......if he got just a few of the calls others gets he would have been avg 3-5 more points a game easily. i think it was game 6 this year the refs missed back to back fouls on 3's. steph ends up on the floor near the hoop more than anyone ive ever seen and rarely gets the calls
@@imwithyou38 I've been seriously thinking about that. look at how many fouls and +1 he never gets. Some are whacks straight to the head and face, full arm pushes and stepping on his landing zone... easily 6-7 per game!
JUST SMALLS GUYS RUNNING AROUND SHOOTING THREES...HES JUST MADE BECAUSE IN HIS ERA HE COULD HIT THREE IF HE WAS WIDE OPEN....T.N.T. NOW, THE NEW MEDIA IS GOING TO BE THERE.LMFAO
@imwithyou38 He was hit by J.T. when he had his superstar performance.So you are completely right I seen it all and I was yelling what steph does with his fingers 1,2,3,4.....I wished my little guy could understand this generation how it got change by Mr.Gentleman steph and Mr.funny Klay (THE SPLASH BROTHERS).Klay was only 80 percent and we still won a chip.Bob myers is up to something trust me with the free agency.
what u did to charles barkley here was foul lmaoooo but very true
2016 was just a blown lead. People just got braindead becuz of the outcome and 3-1 comeback. But they were up 3-1 for a reason men. Its not like the Cavs dominated them from the get go in that finals. They woulda just comeback next year and probably retool with some new players even if they dont get KD. But when KD is available ofcourse its a no brainer i woulda take him no matter what and then keep our important core players and some bench. It took a suspension of Draymond to turn the tides of the series, That was a momentum changing moment in history. I want my team to win and as a GM if i can get a superstar player to dominate i would get him and upgrade our lineup so that we would be unstoppable. i wouldnt care what nayone says, we are winning championship and your team isnt. Thats just about it tho. Warriors did everything right in this era. And i hope those bum asss stupid narratives gets finally shut down and hope they dont exist anymore if they repeat next year.
They should of won 2016 and would have if Green dont get suspended he was the engine to the warriors you can see it in te first 4 games of the celtic series when he out their playing and backing up the team they go when all the talk about suspending him he got passive in boston and were blown out
And they dominated the Cavs inbthe 3 wins big-time. The Suspension changed the series with the heavy injuries to follow. NBA helped change history with a manipulated win for the Cavs
Not just suspension, Warriors also had INJURIES, even Curry himself was injuried but somehow all the haters leave that out just so they can prop up Lebron's legacy it's disgusting.
I’m glad that all the lies that have been told about Curry are finally being exposed.
So he didn’t bitch out and recruit another top 3 player after winning 73 games? Because that’s not a lie he really did that lmao
@@LetMeEatDem And LeBron didn't bitch out and go jump from team to team to ring chase by joining multiple all stars and even tried recruiting KD after the 2017 finals? What about when this bum tried to recruit Kwahi in 2019 after he had already recruited AD? This guy is overrated as fuck.
@@LetMeEatDem Cavaliers recruited Durant too, it’s not Curry’s fault that nobody wanted to play with LeBron in goofy ass Cleveland.
Any team that doesn’t recruit other players is a poorly run franchise.
Lakers were recruiting both Davis and Leonard in one offseason, were you bitching about that too?
@@LetMeEatDem tell me you would decline kd going to your team. theres a reason kd was hated, not steph
And everything curry does is with the refs not calling any fouls for him when he is being mauled off ball. So unlike many superstars (whose stats benefit from superstar calls), curry's stats are actually deflated by the lack of superstar calls
Fr dude gets no calls and he still finishes through contact. He’d lead the league in points easily. I don’t understand why he gets disrespected
you do realize that curry benefits from a bunch of illegal screens right?
@@joezxc aside from screens what about those drives through the rim. Lol. Your reasons are too little . Illeg. screens? Psh.
@@joezxc As if your idol Tyler Herro doesn't benefit from screens. Foh
@@joezxc Those two things are not mutually exclusives.
As silly as it sounds, the Finals MVP matters. People build this idea in their heads that because he didn't have a Finals MVP, he's not performing in those series. Of course we know that's ridiculous - no one does it alone. But having that great game 4, winning without Durant, and finally getting that FMVP - these things helped silence a (false) narrative.
FMVP matters for casuals
It doesn’t
The Finals MVP never mattered when people talk about players like David Robinson, Oscar Robertson, Clyde Drexler, Julius Erving and Kevin Garnett.. so why does it matter when we talk about Steph lol. the narrative of Steph “not showing up in the postseason” or “needing KD to win” was fueled by low IQ media heads and fans that don’t tune into basketball. steph’s legacy was already set back in 2016
if they matter then having only 1 shouldn't guarantee him a spot in the top 10.
nope they are gonna make up something else next...watch and see. the media hates GS.
Wiggins wasn’t just an improved Harrison barnes, he was an all star and the second best player on the team that won the championship. Gotta give this mans his respect for what he did to Tatum in those finals while holding his own offensively
I think Draymond is clearly their 2nd best player, but Wiggins was amazing in the WCF and finals.
@@evanwrenn402 yeah he was during the regular season before he got hurt. But as you said in the wcf and the final he was easily their best player. What he did to Tatum he pretty much made him a non factor.
i think the point here was taking what you knew wiggins was when he was traded for and not what turned out to be. no on knows how he was going act once he go on the warriors.
It was so bad Twitter and memes were going about on how much Wiggins SON’D a first team All star in Tatum
no 1 pick can't lose to non no 1 picks man .lmao
Notice the people who have always discredited Steph - mostly clowns who never played in the NBA or ex-players who are bench warmers and never get to play w/Steph. The Greats of the Game respect Steph. It's the dumbest vs the greatest.
Mostly Lebron fans
All LeStragg Stans.....
2009 KOBE BRYANT Won his 4th Championship and First Finals MVP. (13th Year in the League @ the same Team)
*2022 STEPHEN CURRY Won his*
*4th CHAMPIONSHIP and First FINALS MVP*
*(13th Year in the League @ the same Team)*
weird...
Perkins : could the warriors won 2 championship if kd didn't join
Me : could kd won a ring if he didn't join the warriors... 😂🤣
you want an answer? yes
did you forget that kd was up 3 1 against the 73 win warriors team in 2016? so dont act like it was impossible for kd to win a ring
@@joezxc did you also forget that kd blew a 3-1 lead to the warriors he would've never won a ring with another team
@@joezxc so far in his career he only won with warriors .. While warriors already won before him with him and after he leave the warriors lol!
@@joezxc no, he can't. He literally got owned by Miami's defense in 2012 Finals. Only Westbrook showed up in that series. Both him and Harden choked really hard that time.
FINALLY!! Someone said it!
If the Cavs were healthy argument in 2016 should be put to bed. If they are really that good, why did GSW pushed them to 3-1 in 2017, and have to claw their way back up? Shouldn’t have they beat GSW convincingly? It’s the same GSW roster in 2016, right?
Oh and don’t give me that they are 73-9 that year. People only use that to boost Bron’s goat case. That’s a separate discussion.
They were a 67 win team the year they won it. They are legit even back in the 2016 finals.
I’m so glad they won it this year, and shut up all the nay sayers on all kind of asterisk they want to put in their name. Ofcourse they will be haters. Part of winning. Good thing now is that it’s easier to spot them haters.
Bro, thank you for setting the record straight. They're all just talking heads with no knowledge of basketball as Draymond says🤨
I tried to tell people that game 3 of the 2015 Finals is where the series was decided. If you go back and watch that 4th quarter you see Steph finally see the shots that made him a phenomenon start to fall. Then as he exits the floor on his way to the tunnel he’s shaking his head.
For me, and how I saw that head shake; I was convinced he was saying to himself “bro, you tripping. It’s just hoop. We been doing this our whole lives.” Ironically enough as I just type those words I was reminded…if I remember correctly, that at some point this Finals Curry was asked about his advice to the young guys and I believe he said “it’s just basketball”.
Anyway, I hope ppl go back and check the 4th quarter of finals game 3 in 2015 and watch for the change in Steph’s body language. Cavs were smoking the dubs pretty much all game but they lost that series the same night.
One of my fav games especially when he woke up N the end running off what about 3 screens before dropping that 3 that should have been a four point play ✊🏽
Yeah he caught fire at the end of game 3. The rest of the series was a wrap.
It was one of the most clutch performances I had seen in a long time. If only they won that game, the narratives never would have started
Great take!!!! I’ve said and thought the same thing. The people in the “know” always say KD was needed and that we wouldn’t have won in 2015 if Kyrie and Love played. All the while ignoring that in 2016, Curry was playing hurt, back spasms caught up with Iggy, Bogut didn’t play in games 6&7 (he got hurt in game 5). A game 5 in which Green was suspended. The 2 keys to our offense and defense didn’t play in game 5. Those injuries are always overlooked. And if Love and Kyrie were so great, why were they down 3-1 and needed a suspension and injuries to key starters to win? Too much hating🤔🤔🤔
Spot on
As long as the Warriors have Curry, Klay, and Draymond, and those three stay healthy, they're contenders. And Kendrick Perkins? That bro needs to keep his hot takes to himself. He obviously doesn't know the game nearly as well he he'd like to think he does. And he's certainly not a good analyst.
Also the Warriors weren’t healthy when they played the Cavs in 2016, nor they had Draymond in Game 5
Yo, would love to hear a video debunking Curry narratives. I may not be a Warriors fans but I get annoyed with mainstream sports media narratives.
People forget that in game 4 nba finals 2016 steph had 38. He struggled in the series but was lethal in that game to get the warriors up 3-1. People also forgetting how much steph was doubled and how Harrison Barnes missed so many open shots .
After seeing Wiggins do what he did, I’ll actually never forgive what Barnes did during 2016.
I remember the day before we landed KD, I think Hassan Whiteside was available and I was hoping we'd land him because the only reason we lost in 2016 was because we had no rim protection after Bogut got hurt.
Whiteside is trash and lazy should have never wanted him 😷😷 but I see where you coming from
I don't remember what other sf was available because I definitely didn't want Harrison barnes back
@@TheInferno0099 same, he was nowhere to be found on those games. Was frustrated when point blank could not shoot the ball!
@@TheInferno0099 There weren't really any other SF options and it was the year that the salaries blew up because of the TV deal. They would have had to give Barnes ~$20-25 million. They ended up paying KD $25 million and Dallas gave Barnes $22 million.
Y’all really blaming a 4th option role player for a 73 win team Blowing a 3-1 lead. Warriors fans really are just delusional. It’s really sad.
Basketball appears more and more driven by narratives the more I get into it
I love it, Steph Curry has solidified himself as the greatest of his generation and officially top 10 ever🐐🐐
Eh top 10 is debatable but he’s solidified top 12
@@futurekillerful For me he was 12 before this championship. Now I have him between 8-6. Even being conservative, at least Wilt has to move out at this point, so he's definitely top 10.
@@futurekillerful he’s got twice as many mvps and rings than Hakeem and kd im sorry but it’s easily curry
@@futurekillerful if Jimmy says he’s top 10 then he’s top 10
@@futurekillerful these kids are 13 and never even watched any of the top 10 players. Just laugh at their ignorance. Nobody in the top 10 blew a 3-1 lead in the finals and then recruited a top 3 player to come help make them unbeatable. Nobody in the top 10 is THAT mentally weak.
Anybody who has ever talked sports in a barbershop is qualified to be an "Analyst"
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We going to remember the Golden State Warriors Dynasty for Decades we should all appreciate Greatness now because when these stars are gone you all gonna miss them, and I am sure 10-20 years from now we can proudly say we witness this team on their prime on to the newer generations to come.
The argument that Steph needs to absolutely ball out and have these incredible moments is like saying Duncan should be putting up 40-50 with the spurs. They don't have these astronomical stat games because they don't need to! They're playing in a well oiled system and play their part! I can see the argument for curry cause he's a guard but he doesn't play in an iso heavy offense where it's all him and everyone plays off that. They work through rotations, screens, and team ball. Just apples to oranges in my eyes.
I think the talking heads don't understand Steph's game. It is easy to see the dominant force in Lebron or the unstoppable Durant midrange, or the Kyrie moves. That is because its on ball. Curry is the best off ball basketball player of all time as well as shooting.
Not to mention Curry was playing on an MCL sprain in the 2016 Finals.
Doesn't Curry have some sort of 4th quarter record for points scored in 4th quarters in the finals?
Yeah he does
7:24 "Young players don't help you win in the playoffs"
Going into another sport briefly, this was literally said just days after a 24 year old Patrick Mahomes helped the Kansas City Chiefs win a Super Bowl in his third season in the league.
Mahomes is an outlier and young players don't help most of the time. Boston young players didn't play well and Jordan Poole took 4 games to really do anything.
When a player who was said to be good at off-ball played a great role on-ball. Curry's isolation was excellent and expectations were very high.
They shut everybody up I’m not a warriors fan but I respect them as a team that rebuilded their team around Steph dray and klay struggled throughout times but they stuck together and now there champions once again
No tf they didn’t lmao. A lot of people are still on their top over signing KD. If Curry was so amazing, he wouldn’t of done that. If Lebron had recruited KD, he would never hear the end of it. Y’all just shield your little 6’3 skinny lightskin in under armours.
@@user-bm6zh8di5c good argument. If you use the term casual, you are actually a casual. Might wanna study up on human psychology.
@@LetMeEatDem guess you didn’t watch the video dumbah 2 finals appearances and won 1 out those 2 and even though they won 3 straight they won 4-3 by 4 points they barely beat us 😂🤡
@@user-bm6zh8di5c he blew a 3-1 lead. While big ole bron bron blew his back out
@@LetMeEatDem just like LeBron had to switch to the heat because he couldn't win a chip on his own I can use that same dumb ass narrative you using
I want to see the 90’s bulls deal with this BS. Go watch the 96 finals. Your up 3-0 lose 2 and MJ comes out shoots .263/.333/.917 with 5 TO’s in a close out game. Rodman and Pippin saved his ass, but that doesn’t get mentioned in last dance.
You can’t really get saved in a game 6 lol. They still would’ve had one more shot
This is the first video from your channel I'm watching, and I must say that you've done justice to the warriors team amid all the slander. Those so called "analyst" clearly have alot to learn from u. Cheers mate.
The KD Warriors analysis makes sense if you only see the Ls and Ws of every game without knowing anything about how those games went.
Wiggins didn't account for everything the Warriors lost in the KD saga. The strength in numbers identity, for one, took a hit. It definitely wasn't just losing KD that mattered.
I love KD as a person and I think he absolutely gave everything he had in 2019 for the Warriors. However, this notion of KD was needed for the Warriors to win has to stop. This is so stupid The only reason that the media refuses to admit or even entertain the possibility that KD wasn't NEEDED to win a ring is that it would hurt Lebron's legacy.
The 2016 finals went to game7 in the last minute. The Warriors were as close as winning a championship without actually winning one. And we all know a lot of stuff happened in 2016 so it went to Cavs way and we give them credits.
However, right before KD joined the Warriors, Vegas still had the Warriors as the favorite to win. Those odds are, of course, just a rough idea of where a team stands before anything happens in the summer but that's the only objective info as we can get and it's better than nothing. What I don't understand is how the media keeps on pushing the narrative that KD was NEEDED for the Warriors to win.
It doesn't make any sense. If it comes to any other teams which lost in the finals, we don't go like, oh they definitely NEED another top 5 player to win, let alone a team with the best regular season record in NBA history. You wouldn't say that to the 2013 Spurs which lost in a g7 also. You wouldn't say that to the 2008 Lakers which lost in six not seven. You also wouldn't say that to the Miami Heat in 2011 when they lost in six not seven to the Mavs. And are we going to say that to this Boston Celtics team? The current top 5 players for me is Giannis, Steph, Luka, Jokic and Embild. So the Celtics NEED 1 of them to win??
But somehow, a Warriors team led by a 2 times MVP, one unanimous, all of a sudden, definitely NEEDED another top 5 player to win. Before this year, I rarely heard anyone from the media entertain the idea that the Warriors could have any chance of winning without KD in 2017 and 2018. It's really simple. Because if the media keeps on pushing this narrative so that people believe that KD was the reason for the Warriors to win, Steph would be perceived as someone who needed help, but when if fact he didn't.
What if we keep it real and look at KD as a luxury who simply gave the Warriors a higher chance of winning from maybe 60-70 percent to 95 percent? That would mean that a team led by a point guard who is 6'3 could be matched against the Cavs led by Lebron, who was constantly being pushed by the media to be in GOAT contention. That would not be a good look for Lebron because if he cannot even beat a player who plays in the same era, how could he be considered in a GOAT conversation? You also would question Lebron's dominance. It' really weird that when it comes to other things like politics, people always question the information they are given but when it comes to sports, fans just take whatever the media gives them, sometimes without much evidence. Lebron was being compared to Michael Jordan when he only had 3 rings and without that much career numbers he is having right now. He somehow passed Shaq, Kareem, Kobe, Tim Duncan, Magic, Larry Bird and Hakeem just because he has 3 rings.
What most people fail to realize is that Lebron's 8 straight finals appearance only ran into ONE player who is selected as ALL-NBA-FIRST team that year in Derrick Rose. The Warriors in 2022 playoffs ran into THREE players who are selected ALL-NBA-FIRST team. They are Nikola Jokic, Jayson Tatum and Luka Doncic.
It's funny because even some Warriors fans are not aware of how great Stephen Curry is but I would say it. The gap between Lebron and Steph is so small and if you value winning over career stats or longevity, you could have Steph ahead of Lebron. How about KD? He is never the second best player to begin with as he only went to 1 finals outside of the Warriors run. Kawhi is even more impressive than KD in terms of post season success. Yes, Kawhi again, beat an injured Warriors but let's not forget that Kawhi was limping in the conference finals as well. Also Kawhi didn't even have another superstar/hof to play with.
*Playoffs plus-minus
KD(outside Warriors) 2.27
Steph(without KD) 4.83
Ig those reporters forgot that golden state won a championship even before KD got there
Crazy how they won before KD and yet he got a lot of the credit for those chips
Because he was finals mvp for half of those championships 😭😭
@@20k200 who cares. The FMVP award is so overrated, Iguodala proves that. So does Parker, so does Kawhi (in San Antonio)
FMVP is the most overrated award of All time. Steph curry is in the top 5 when it comes to most finals 30 point games at number 4. Also has the second highest scoring average in game winning clinching games behind only Michael Jordan. He should’ve been FMVPs at least three times
@@austinhowser7838 how was the finals mvp overrated? I agree people have to stop using finals mvp but Kawhi 100 % deserved that finals mvp in 2014 and parker as well.
@@TyroneLDStyle fax
THANK YOU for putting FACTS over FEELINGS.
Great video bro! I always knew this stuff but never really put it all together to crush these bs narratives! We as fans should do our part and blast this video over every NBA sports analyst Twitter accounts. It's time to apply pressure back to these clown ass talking heads like max Kellerman, Kendrick Perkins, and nick "wrong".
4:53 ... Is that Marlins Man?!!!
No wonder why they call him Nick “Wrong”. 🤣
anyone who thought the warriors weren't chip contenders when they still had their same roster was smoking or lying
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Loved ur take!! Very detailed!!! I have to agree💯
Man this dynasty is something else!!! How could you not give them a chance?? The Western conference has no other dynasties!! These other teams have massive holes and aren’t impossible to beat like the KD Steph warriors were!! People just using hyperbole!!
8:10 and don't forget Andrew Bynum was still only 21 in the 2009 finals
Dope video man...I like your takes...it good to see analists' jibber jabber reduted.
I love your content and I love you on playback. Keep it up man you make fire videos. I know these videos must take forever to make and I appreciate them
The barnes part was the key, the man was left open all the time in both series and choked both times. And if you really look at their numbers, curry’s teammates really didn’t show up at all in terms of shooting in either series including thompson. In the 2016 finals, curry’s teammates shot below 30% on OPEN 3’s. So when lebron fans push this agenda that if he and Curry switched teams lebron would’ve won both times, it’s kind of laughable because curry’s teammates (other than iggy in 15 and Draymond a few times in 16), really shot just as poorly as lebrons teammates did in 2015. Just because their names were held as higher value than the names on the Cavs, doesnt mean they were more helpful to curry than the Cavs were to lebron in those particular series. Kyrie in 2016 was the most help either player got in those two series and it’s not even close, as he was just as good as lebron was during that series. And although ppl will argue Klay was the second star to match kyrie and Draymond and love were the 3’s which made it an even matchup, Klay really only had one good series his whole career in the finals which was the 4 1/2 games he played in 2019, and Draymond only represented a third option once which was for a few games of 2016. The retroactive judgment people make on the amount of help Curry had and lebron had has distorted history for most people. And the second key part to this is that the injured warriors were 5 points away from beating the Cavs in game 7 with injuries to Curry, bogut, igoudala, and a suspension to green, while the Cavs with just love and kyrie injured couldnt even push the warriors to a game 7, so how did that prove the warriors were so far behind them? If anything that proves if both were healthy the warriors probably win in 5 or 6 despite curry’s teammates shooting like trash both series. And the worst thing those people do is say gs was bitch made for getting durant which obviously I somewhat agree with, but I can’t hop on that bandwagon when David griffin has literally said they were trying to sign KD as well. If the Cavs had got KD and not the warriors no one would have a problem but since it hindered lebron everyone complained. These same people wanted the lakers to consist of lebron, ad, Kawhi, Paul George, and dame. Like they wouldn’t have a problem with that team tho 😂. And btw the narrative that the warriors lost and then realized they needed KD is also proven false, as you can see a bleacher report article from 2015 regular season that gs was gonna make a run at KD when he became a free agent in the 16 offseason. That’s why all their role players accept Livingston and iggy (barnes, barbosa, speights, bogut, rush, ezeli etc) the guys who gave them the best bench in the league and are the reason they could win 73 games, all had expiring contracts in that offseason. Their front office had those played signed only up till then because they knew they were gonna make a run at KD that offseason, and that is why the narrative “KD joined the 73-9 warriors” is also false. He joined the core of curry Klay Draymond iggy and Livingston while all the other players on the roster were gone. Because they brought KD in the became too heavy and didn’t really have any depth, which is ultimately why they couldn’t defeat toronto without kd. Had they used that cap on depth they defiantly would’ve taken out the raptors, as curry and thompson were the only legitimate scorers they had that series
Great points!
Ok I’m not reading all that. But let Lebron have a teammate miss a bunch of wide open shots and lose. He would get slandered to no end. If curry is as amazing as y’all claim, it shouldn’t matter. Y’all are not gonna sit there and blame a 3-1 blown series on a fucking 4th option role player. Oh, and iggy was on the floor when the game truly mattered. Not Barnes.
Barnes was a roleplayer, and not even a very important one. How can you pin it on him and hope to retain any shred of credibility?
This is so easy to see…but people pretend that they are blind and basketball illiterate to bash my guy Curry( the Warriors)… lol but he keeps proving them wrong.
Two more chips and am putting him just under MJ.
I loved your video man! You hit on all the points on the head…Steph’s out of this world and everyone can clearly see this but some people just gotta hate and lie.
talk about prisoner of the moment, sheesh
@@m.j.w.2876 what have you done for me lately??? Uh, uh, uh. You know the song!
Incredible video low appreciate the appropriate coverage of one of the greatest to ever do it…team or player
incredible content LOW
always keen to see new clips from you man
cheers
Basically, Curry should have 6 rings by now. 2016 the league stepped in a suspended Draymond for a pivotal Game 5 up 3-1, then Bogut and Iggy got hurt (literally lost their defensive anchors). Then 2019 Klay and Durant were hurt right as the finals came around. That’s TWO rings robbed from Steph because of circumstances/not cause Curry came up short as a player. He’d be better than Jordan by now
Hell no bro! I mean if we playin that Bron shoulda won in 2015.
Um basically Steph shouldn’t shoot 6/20 in the last three fourth quarters of the 2016 finals and be the primary catalyst behind the biggest choke in NBA and maybe sports history.
Maybe Steph shouldn’t have shot 9/26 in the 2019 finals in the fourth quarter.
@@daonlygoat easy to say that when you legit lose half your team midway through the finals and have fking box & 1 defensive coverages ran on you, unable to rely on other scorers for help. Did you know that Steph in this years finals when he was on the bench, his team averaged the worst offensive rating in the finals over the past 50 YEARS. When he’s on the floor, they ranked 1st out of every team.
That suspension was draymonds fault no one else to blame
@@controversialmann5345 Five is better than four. So technically, Lebron still has four. And steph should have five. Your take is right tho. Just saying steph couldve won five without injuries
Thank you for making this video! More sheep out there need to watch and learn! How can you led a team to a 73 win season, the best in history and still hear can Curry lead a team? The funny thing that these useless idiots are doing and saying it again! Saying the Warriors have no chance to repeat...Do you realize how much rest the core is going to be able to get next year while the league is trying to figure out what to do about Wiseman and Kuminga! They learned from 2016 that the most important thing was to go into the playoffs healthy! If y'all hated the Warriors before you're really going to hate them over the next few years!
73 wins don’t mean shit if you don’t have the ring.
@@LetMeEatDem 4 rings don't mean shit if you have a terrible finals record like LeBron
@@djwitdaheat9750 factssss
@@LetMeEatDem yeah but y'all say it's not fair Durant joined a 73 win team?
@@LetMeEatDem cry me an ocean boo fucking hoo lmfao but then you say that Durant joining a 73-9 win team ain't fair lmfao. Just shut up. Ur embarrassing urself
great research, thanks for the vlog
You a gentleman and a scholar,
My man,
Just schooled everyone,
Much respect, and love,
They literally forgot one of the main reason Cavs won in 2016 was Draymond's game 5 suspension the warriors doesn't have their best defensive player in game 5 the whole KD scenario isn't even a thing they can win with or without KD
Bogut got injured as well
"Stop lying"...great classic line!
no cap found your channel through playback but i really like the construction of your videos will definitely be watching more
appreciate this so much as a dubs fan 🙌🙌🙌
To be fair I can understand how Wiggins underperformed with that much pressure on him he was supposed to be the franchise player that Timberwolves game and there were like three guys at least it were better than him already on the team with Karl Anthony towns Derrick Rose did was making a good comeback in his career and Jimmy Butler
Wiggins was the go to option till jimmy came took over his team made it seem he was not needed I feel like if the wolves developed him surrounded with shooters that team would’ve been way better cuz butler and wiggins take the same kind of shots so when they played the rockets they shot them out the playoffs cuz they had no three point shooting
@@yahiaali4059 nah I disagree when jimmy got there wiggins was still taking the most shots but they weren’t winning cos wiggins was inefficient and both him and towns weren’t playing any defense. That’s when jimmy started taking over and they started actually winning games they were like a 4 or a 5th seed until jimmy got injured and almost slid out of the playoffs and butler had to come back on the last game of the regular season to beat Denver to that playoff spot.
@@mybestofriendo4615 chill bro making it seem like kat and wiggins did nothing at all they averaged 19 and 21ppg so they weren’t scrubs butler is a great all nba player but you need shooting in the league to get far in that starting lineup doesn’t hAve enough of it
@@yahiaali4059 and what did that do? They had good averages but the reason the t wolves sucked was cos of their defense. I’m a warriors fan so I love wiggins and the player he’s become but I watched a lot of the t wolves back then and their points had no impact on winning hence why they only made the playoffs once in that time and they almost messed that up cos jimmy was injured. Wiggins just needed to be in a better environment to flourish and he fit perfectly with golden state.
Thank u Low I've been preaching this. People will say the warriors needed kd cuz they couldn't hang with the cavs
Ummmm do people know that series went 7 despite curry having his worst series ever and kyrie/bron going nuclear
Just a dumb take the media and casuals push
Been waiting for this video for a while. Thanks for all your content over the years LOW
4:47 can’t ever forget this man Harrison Barnes decided to shoot 2-14, 3-10, and 0-8 for the last 3 games. Like damn lol
Thanks for this vid bro. I’m a big curry fan so I’m biased toward his greatness, but i honestly get existential anxiety when I hear these Steph narratives. It terrifies me that people can deny FACTS to that extent. I like my world to make sense lol and factually Steph has some of the greatest numbers of anyone in NBA history.!
the 2017 team, KD’s first year, they went 16-1 through the playoffs. that 1 game was a gimme to leBrony.
and that 2016 team kinda shot themselves in the foot. first, they chased after that 73-win record. then they had to go back from 1-3 themselves against OKC the previous series, AND Draymond got himself suspended for the critical cliseout game 5.
then they had to panic after that loss, and recruited KD.
Never understood the “panic” recruiting of Kevin Durant everyone seems to think the warriors did. dude if Kevin Durant was available and your team was able to pick him up, why the fuck won’t they
It wasn't "panic" the warriors had be planning on getting kd for years. It was even reported on in 2015 and 2016.
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EVERY team wanted (or was “interested” in) KD when his free agency was coming up. you’d be an idiot to not at least explore the possibility of recruiting the guy.
just by luck, CAP space skyrocketed that year and Curry’s contract was still on a cheap rookie extension contract due to his early career injuries. AND KD really wanted to go to GSW himself. he could’ve gone somewhere else or stayed at OKC, but GSW offered him the best opportunity to get that chip.
yes. that was a panic move. if GSW didn’t have that CAP space, they could have just traded away Barnes for someone better at a less than KD price. and they KNEW that’s all they needed.
but there were also strategically two valid reasons for the KD move.
1, to upgrade. 2, most importantly to keep KD away from other teams, especially western teams.
Thank you for shedding light on this darkness
Love the video Bra!! Keep em coming
Thank you for this video. GSW was literally a couple of points away from winning in 2016. ESPN did a great job of manipulating everyone into thinking that GSW needed KD. Glad they proved the doubters wrong again.
I never understood that brainwashing narrative when the Warriors we're clearly up 3-1 on the Cavs, before Draymond got suspended and combined with Curry and Bogut's lingering injuries. It couldn't defeat logic to me. I knew Wiggins would be a solid fit as a replacement for KD being that it was Harrison Barnes before KD with all the success and knowing Wiggins can more than fill those shoes.
Aye LOW, preach my brother preach!
well contextualized.... salute...
Amazing video, as a ☘️ fan
I believe KD and GS were a business decision made due to Brons star power or pull, it was an advantage. Dare I say it was the reason dray actually was suspended, and steph was fouled out the next game. Politics played a part in that series, go back to the presser right after game 4, down 3-1 Bron was pouting and said " I don't expect the NBA to do anything about it"
So what happened in game 7? Since y’all got all these excuses.
@@LetMeEatDem what happened to LeBron in 2017 and 2018 since y'all come with every excuse
@@LetMeEatDem what happened was Lebron colluded with refs and NBA commissioner. How can any team without the clout like Lebron beat that?
Fortunately that gave Warriors an excuse to acquire a top 3 player and form a superteam the world has never seen before. Now no amount of colluding with refs and NBA commissioner is going to stop this train. Also fortunately they became one of the most dominant teams ever created -- arguably the best. Thus Warriors franchise and this core trio became even more legendary and an instant icon in the history books. At the expense of Lebron's legacy, ironically.
Excellent dissection! 🤩
Thanks for this amazing video. Brilliantly done with all the RECEIPTS EPIC.💯💯💯💯 appreciated ❤️❤️
Keep destroying Nick Wrong and Skip Baseless!!
steph #3 all-time behind mj and kareem, mount rushmore, his impact on winning is just incredible. he's always been the bus driver and built it from scratch at GS.
Excellent analysis!!
Man, this was 🔥. Love the clip bro 💯