Best sleeping bag liner - Review Sea to summit thermolite

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  • Extend your sleeping bag warmth with this liner. Aaron has used his for nearly 20 years and it really does work. It gives you 5 degrees extra warmth so you don’t have to own so many sleeping bags. It can also be used as an absurdly small travel sleeping bag when you’re backpacking Europe or Asia if your sheets aren’t all that clean. Check it out.
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  • @ALinsdau
    @ALinsdau  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Get items in this video at Amazon:
    Sea to Summit Reactor Thermolite liner: amzn.to/2E26Qjn
    Adventure Expedition One: amzn.to/2tIASTG

    • @jonash5320
      @jonash5320 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      why do you dislike silk for this application?

    • @davidjacobs828
      @davidjacobs828 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is there a reason you ignore messages and questions from new subscribers ?

  • @thomasmangham670
    @thomasmangham670 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Dude- this was the funniest review video I’ve ever seen. Minutes 8-11 are PRICELESS! Thanks for the laugh man. AND I subscribed AND bought the product so, well done.

  • @janschulz1867
    @janschulz1867 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Gonna test it this weekend. It could be that my sleeping bag really comes to the end of it comfort zone. Thank you for your cool review! cheers from Germany.

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks!

  • @trilbyarnold3341
    @trilbyarnold3341 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I have the Reactor Plus. It actually adds 15* to my 20* quilt with quilt all properly tucked under my pad. I sleep cold and I really like it. I added a zipper down half way down the side so it's easy and quick to wear or get out of.Also makes my pad more comfortable against my skin.

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow, that's an incredible warmth addition. Glad it's working for you.

  • @BobPritchard
    @BobPritchard 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Used the reactor on an AT thru hike. It was great. Added about 5 degrees of warmth as Alan suggested. Used it alone on hot nights and in grubby hostels and hotels. Washed once a month or so. After 5 months on trail my quilt still smelled good and was clean. Don't bother with the stuff sack, save weight and either put it in your quilt bag or just toss it in the pack.

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the notes.

  • @eileenp2889
    @eileenp2889 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I have used this liner for years. I use it in the sleeping bag all of the time not only to keep warmer but it is also nice because it helps keep your sleeping back clean. Much easier to was the liner then a down sleeping bag.

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      For sure. I’ve had a little down come out of my bags in the washer. Keeping bags clean can be tough.

  • @labellaescrima1996
    @labellaescrima1996 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    nice video, you are simple in your explanation and have a nice attitude, definitely subscribing to your channel and congratulations on all your achievements.

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the sub!

  • @user-ct5nd9qb6v
    @user-ct5nd9qb6v 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm looking this video and damn sure I will buy this product. Laughing so loud that tears are running down my face. You are really funny!! Thank you, I signed in at your channel. I'm from the Netherlands.

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks, stay safe out there.

  • @OneManTrail
    @OneManTrail 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Thanks Ray Romano for this review.

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thanks for watching.

  • @bsidethecside2283
    @bsidethecside2283 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Good vid, thanks. A change to get information based on a wealth of experience, as opposed to unpacking an item and hypothesising on what it may do. I have 2 liners that aren't so much about avoiding buying another bag, but more about being able to flex the insulation to deal with a range of temperatures on a trip. One silk and one grid fleece, so adding 1-2C or 3-5C They also help keep the bag hygienic!

  • @mulhall72
    @mulhall72 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I've used it in the low 30's a few times. Effectiveness is negligible but it certainly helps with preventing my bags from getting soiled. Eventually I switched to a bulkier fleece liner with clear insulation improvements, that doubles as a pillow in warmer temps.

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good to note.

    • @glock907
      @glock907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What brand and where are the liners that you use sold?

  • @ulnoohiker8983
    @ulnoohiker8983 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for sharing your knowledge!

  • @Rixx1985
    @Rixx1985 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hilarious! And also extremely informative. Just bought this one to bring my 500gram down bag down to early winter shape :) Greets from Sweden

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching & subscribing!

  • @tjindar
    @tjindar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    great video for everyone!

  • @andrewreynolds3274
    @andrewreynolds3274 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you! So helpful!

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @johnscottmills1414
    @johnscottmills1414 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great idea mate a cheap alternative to buying a top of the range sleeping bag

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  ปีที่แล้ว

      It sure is

  • @kevanhubbard9673
    @kevanhubbard9673 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I had never thought about adding a liner to my sleeping bag to add warmth.I actually have one which I use as a sleeping bag when it's hot.I have tried sleeping in a liner and bivy bag and it was pretty cold.I might try it with a summer sleeping bag and see what increase in temperature is gained.

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Stay safe out there.

  • @Klatubarada1979
    @Klatubarada1979 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You have better tips than people with 100X your subscribers.

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks. I appreciate that.

  • @CookieCrumbs01
    @CookieCrumbs01 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was hilarious and very helpful thank you. I'm going to get this liner

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad to entertain!

  • @Language.lover.
    @Language.lover. ปีที่แล้ว

    funniest informative video ever! lol You caught me off guard

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  ปีที่แล้ว

      I appreciate that!

  • @Imightberiding
    @Imightberiding 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was anxious just watching you squirming around in that death sock. I have a hard time with narrow & extremely tapered mummy bags let alone something like that. I use fleece, polyester or silk liners with a zipper in wider mummy & rectangular shaped bags or with a top quilt.

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching & subscribing!

    • @tomsitzman3952
      @tomsitzman3952 ปีที่แล้ว

      Takes a little pracitice to figure out how to use the liner or a mummy bag. or the combination of the two.

  • @azclaimjumper
    @azclaimjumper 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I used the link & just bought the Extreme liner. I bought the liner more for keeping my sleeping bag interior clean than for its temperature rating which I suspect is exaggerated by the mfg.
    Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada U.S.A.

    • @azclaimjumper
      @azclaimjumper 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I changed my mind & returned the liner to amazon. I've decided an additional layer of insulation clothing will be lighter & more effective at keeping me comfortably warm.
      Yes, I'm aware of & have watched your video on the Western Mountaineering Hot Sac VBL which doesn't interest MEeee. Yes, I like "Down" as my preferred choice of "insulation".

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching!

    • @tomsitzman3952
      @tomsitzman3952 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think Sea and Summit has a testing company that has equipment to measure and evaluate temperatures

  • @graveebailey2
    @graveebailey2 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I've got my sleeping bag liner safety pinned on at the feet end. And button clipped at the entrance end.it doesn't get hooked up when getting in and out of my pit.

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nice!

  • @leebroadhurst554
    @leebroadhurst554 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Going a great job,

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you! Cheers!

  • @michellehawkins8674
    @michellehawkins8674 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for the review. Is the one your reviewed the 'long' version or regular length?

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Long version.

  • @woof3598
    @woof3598 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    good info, your looks super sheer, didint think that would add any warmth, trying to decide between long under wear or a liner, Thanks

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Choose long underwear first. The liner is my backup since it requires a lot of effort to enter and exit.

  • @LokeshThakur
    @LokeshThakur 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    i was waiting for him to scream "DEBORAAAHHH"

  • @lmbraga
    @lmbraga 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video.
    Since the winters here in Portugal never go very low into negative temperatures (celcius), I don't want to lug my -23ºC sleeping bag around.
    I'm considering using the combination of 3 layer bivy + 5ºC sleeping bag + thermolite reactor liner (+ maybe another liner) for camping this December in the mountains.
    What do you think?

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That would work but it’s marginal. If the air is moist and the temps drop, you’ll be uncomfortable.

    • @briandolloff6193
      @briandolloff6193 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Try emergency liner

    • @tomsitzman3952
      @tomsitzman3952 ปีที่แล้ว

      The correct solution for your situation. The combination gives you options for avoid over heating . If you have a cold night you can put on a sweater or light weight wool sweater.

  • @georgeschaut2178
    @georgeschaut2178 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you combined two sleeping bag liners together would this add an additional 5 degrees on top of the original 5 degrees increase in warmth for a total of 10 degrees?

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  ปีที่แล้ว

      The theory sounds good but I don't think it'd work like that unfortunately.

  • @hair2050
    @hair2050 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Question: do you like that placing the liner around a low R rated sleeping pad in combination with a quilt, (so you sleep on the liner not in it) would be effective at warming the pad?

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      In temps below -20ºF (-29ºC), the nylon cold soaks, so it's hard to warm up. I prefer to sleep on foam but that's just my experience.

    • @hair2050
      @hair2050 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ALinsdau interesting. I’ve not gone below -25C and that was on an ancient self inflating thermorest and the same closed cell from pad you use. Remembering back it was sufficient but I can see the direction it was going, the cold soak you mention. Good tip. Thanks very much.

  • @ProdigiousReturn
    @ProdigiousReturn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Out of curiosity why did you go with the regular reactor and not the extreme version? The extreme seems like a better deal. The reactor adds up to 14 degrees whereas the extreme is 25, and it only costs a couple bucks more. It’s 110g/m² fabric whereas the reactor is 80g/m². It weighs 13.9 oz vs the 8.7 oz reg version. The stuffed dimensions are 5.75 x 4 vs 6.5 x 4.5

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The extreme didn't exist at the time I bought mine (a long time ago).

    • @tomsitzman3952
      @tomsitzman3952 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In my case I like the Regular Reactor because it has much less bulk in my pack. .I my self don't buy something because it is a deal,. I want the product that meets my needs.

  • @soggz4246
    @soggz4246 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi.
    I’m doing a bit of wild camping and bivvying,but on a real tight budget.
    The only bag I have is an old British Army Pattern 58 down bag.
    It’s good condition,tbh,but not the warmest.
    Would that liner help?
    I’m on Dartmoor in the UK in it in 2 weeks time.
    Regards

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It will help for 3-5º difference.

  • @woof3598
    @woof3598 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a liner that works wonders but I was thinking of upgrading my bag to a 0 deg or colder, at the REI site they have several rated at Zero but at all different prices , go with the cheapest ? I know you get what you pay for though

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you can test the bags in the store, it's a good choice.
      You definitely get what you pay for. Thing long term. My Western Mountaineering bags have lasted me 20+ years. They're expensive but over time are worth it.

  • @stevenfoleary
    @stevenfoleary 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Aaron, have you ever tried doubling up sleeping bags? granted that wouldn't save you the pack volume or pack weight. Just thinking if someone already has a 40F bag and a 20F bag (or even two 20F bags) if putting one inside the other is something that could be feasible to extend the ability to get out in temps the one bag isn't designed for. Might be easier to get in and out of? Have you ever had to do this? Your thoughts? And my Thanks!

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If you put one in the other, the down will become compressed, losing insulation. Most people just drape one bag over the other. It's often done in the Arctic, using a synthetic inner and a draped over down bag. The extra effort required to manage 2 bags isn't worth it to me.

    • @woof3598
      @woof3598 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ALinsdau I was thinking 2 bags, one inside the other, now I know better, Thanks

    • @tbrew8222
      @tbrew8222 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I do this plenty. The tricks are that they must be different sizes and not interfere with the shape of each others loft. It also helps if they have the same zipper orientation and the hoods do not bind or flatten eachother.
      Its quite hit and miss, unless you own them, it could be hard to mix and match and know if they will work, without actually putting them together.

    • @tomsitzman3952
      @tomsitzman3952 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have two 1 1/2 down liner bags with no zipper, I got from Eddie Bauer back in the early 70's. They are very snug but work great and make a made weight down bag a cozy winter bag. The Armies use a nesting bag system with a summer weight and a mid weight bag and a liner to make a very warm winter bag, Another bag extender idea is using one of the light weight hooded down jackets (16oz) by Patagonia or North Face as a bag extender. Somethings to remember, your body temperature varies with how much food you ate before going to bed and how warm you were before you get in the sleeping bag. How you react to cold depends on if you are from the Gulf States or in Manitoba.

    • @mortsnerd5100
      @mortsnerd5100 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I did this once, putting a 0 degree synthetic bag inside a 40 degree synthetic bag. It kept me warm to -15 degrees, but I don't know how much colder it could have kept me warm. The outer bag is bigger inside than the inner bag, so the loft was not compressed a lot, but with down it would probably be different. This was car camping, so weight and bulk didn't matter, but I don't think it would be practical if you're backpacking or otherwise need to limit what you bring.

  • @20Hikecdt23
    @20Hikecdt23 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sir I have this one but just ordered a silk one from S2S. This is because I read a claim that silk repels bed bugs, etc. Do you know anything about that? Is it a valid claim? Maybe the Reactor would be as good? Thanks! (The silk weighs about half of the Reactor).

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Repels bugs - it's a screen, but doesn't "repel".

  • @Olivjeefilms
    @Olivjeefilms 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a sleeping bag “ comfort 3degrees’ extreme -11 degrees , and this liner would it be enough for -5 , -10?

    • @Olivjeefilms
      @Olivjeefilms 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have the extreme liner

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It'll give you a few degrees more of comfort.

  • @fredconcklin1094
    @fredconcklin1094 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What do you think about thermal reflective bivy sheet as blanket?

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That could work as long as it doesn’t trap moisture.

  • @indycharlie
    @indycharlie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice ..

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks

  • @mottobc
    @mottobc 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you used SOL escape as liner ? I wonder if it would keep warmer than Thermolite.

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      No I haven't. Thanks for the gear suggestion.

    • @DavidSmith-gj2dm
      @DavidSmith-gj2dm 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I doubt whether the soil escape work work at all as a liner , I hear of this a lot , heat generally in a sleeping bag is lost via convection, not radiation.ie through drafts . The sol escape and others like them make something wind proof (keeps the draft off ) , the foil could be removed and it wouldn’t make the slightest bit of difference , foils only good for chicken 🍗!

  • @onthetrailwithbart523
    @onthetrailwithbart523 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you think there would be any difference between the Thermolite liner and a quality silk liner?

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If the silk liner has stretch, I would say no.

    • @onthetrailwithbart523
      @onthetrailwithbart523 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ALinsdau It's the Western Mountaineering silk liner that goes to the Alpinlite

  • @trje246
    @trje246 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hate to be 'that person' but can people identify what temperature scale they're referring to when talking about temperature as "X degrees"... certainly make making a buying decision easier. cheers!

  • @mforrest1508
    @mforrest1508 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    not sure where they get 15-25. just not true unless you are in hot weather like 70degrees you might feel 80 lol

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, I think it's a bit crazy, too. I've gotten a bit warmer, so who knows.

  • @davidkalmo6812
    @davidkalmo6812 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can I use this liner in bivvy bag without a sleeping bag in summer?

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes, if it's a really warm summer evening.

    • @abisu5273
      @abisu5273 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Great question. I've been wondering about condensation. I'm definitely getting one. Just need to think now about the extra ounces for the extreme version.

  • @GH0ST369
    @GH0ST369 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lol "not that I am hot & sexy"
    What do you think about waterproof bivis?
    Agree about the sanitation for less need to clean your bag.

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  ปีที่แล้ว

      It's a great idea, really.

  • @mototurkey5289
    @mototurkey5289 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What happened to the hotsack link😉...

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Here you go: th-cam.com/video/57tEVMT2D9I/w-d-xo.html

  • @Chris-is1rd
    @Chris-is1rd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another reviewer said that this liner can provide a 25 degree increase in warmth. Who should I believe?

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Whoa...25 degrees would be pretty incredible. My experience tells has been 5-10 max. I wouldn't add this to my Western Mountaineering Megalite and expect to be warm in the Arctic. That'd be a mistake IMHO.

    • @yogismo7812
      @yogismo7812 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Hi Chris - this specific one is only rated to add 10-14 degrees. The Sea to Summit reactor extreme is a similar project in the same line that is rated up to 25 degrees. Both are probably exaggerated, but you may get better results with the "extreme" if you're really pushing your bag's temp rating.

  • @done3960
    @done3960 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You've been using it for how many years???

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've had it for a long time.

  • @kevinstarski1598
    @kevinstarski1598 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If the best liner gives us extra 5 degrees, then we're in trouble.

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Too true.

  • @rendorwilliams9116
    @rendorwilliams9116 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I pee in a bottle using a flashlight and a napkin. Pro Tip: use a bottle with a wide opening. Make sure to close it afterwards, before falling back asleep !

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, a wide mouth bottle certainly helps!

  • @robertwolfe2971
    @robertwolfe2971 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you had a good air mattress you could have saved 10 degrees from being off the ground.

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Too true.

  • @cobbler88
    @cobbler88 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I cannot speak to each person's experience with this product. If it's your jam, that's great.
    But at about the 5:00 mark it is removed from the bag. Watch that and tell me you don't believe you could get just as much insulation from cheap T-shirt style PJs and a pair of socks instead of a sheer sock that runs about $65.

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good pointer. Cotton tshirts may not work long-term.

    • @cobbler88
      @cobbler88 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ALinsdau I got one of those liners that are basically like thin T-shirts and just felt that I was kind of getting ripped off, given the material. It's like ordering a Carhartt and mesh tank top. 🤣 So I figured that if I was likely wearing something anyway, just get the cheapie liner from WM and have a cheap set of sleep clothes. When it's in the 20s or lower you've likely got at least base layers on anyway.

  • @paquitoperez2116
    @paquitoperez2116 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    "very excellent"? Is there "a little bit excellent"? "medium excellent"? or even "poorly excellent"? :-o

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good question!

  • @maxt7525
    @maxt7525 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    😂

  • @chriswatson2407
    @chriswatson2407 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Snug as a bug in a rug.

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching!

  • @user-zq9xh4rc3c
    @user-zq9xh4rc3c 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    ....its just a polyester sheet....just get a polyester sheet...

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's a totally valid option

  • @jsvalina3503
    @jsvalina3503 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wyoming is rough country.

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It is certainly rugged.

  • @ajm2872
    @ajm2872 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't care about your stories, guy. Review the product. Damn.

    • @ALinsdau
      @ALinsdau  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thanks for commenting.

    • @jayclay
      @jayclay 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @AJM2 if you want a product description go on their website

    • @pault5947
      @pault5947 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Awww, did the nasty man test your attention span to breaking point? Poor dear.