When I drove a semi , I was out 3+ weeks at a time. I used a 20° sleeping bag in my bunk as it was easier than making the bed daily. If you've ever spent 4-6hrs in a broke down truck with no heat in midwinter's -20° on the plains waiting for help you would too! 😵 For a liner I just used a double bed sheet sewn across the bottom and 1/4 of the way up the side which kept the liner aligned and allowed easy in and out. Sheets can be had at 2nd hand thrift shops for very cheap as opposed to new sheets so I carried several and changed them regularly.
1:45 You did your fahrenheit to celsius incorrectly. You were saying a liner adds 10 to 15 degrees more warmth. That would add 5.5 to 8.3 more degrees Celsius. You just converted what 10F and 15F would be in C; not the change in temp.
I use my silk liner for everything even in hotels when there's a possibility of bedbugs. I treat my silk liner with natural Permethrin Treatment to protect myself from bugs etc especially in South America. I also used the silk liner while travelling and hot places like Italy instead of a sleeping bag. It definitely keeps your sleeping bag in tip-top condition. It take such such a small space that you'd be crazy not to get 1
I discovered silk for snow skiing. I found that silk removed that bulky and limited movement feeling of the long underwear technologies in the 1980s and 90s plus I could wash it in the sink at night and wear it again the following day, drape it over a shower curtain rod or towel rack. I have never gone back to anything else. In 2016 on Christmas Day we were at “Sunshine Village”, Banff, Canada, skiing in 5° F in a GoreTex shell I got from Eddie Bauer in the early 2000s for around $240 (try and find a deal like that now), a fleece pullover a thin Marino wool sweater over the silk turtleneck (standard not heavy weight) with an off the shelf bib style ski pants and silk long johns (standard weight) and I was comfortable except where my skin was exposed, my only reason for taking a break now and then. Silk works and is actually cool in the summer! And yes I wear this under my riding gear for those early start cold mornings on the Africa twin too.
I never knew of such a dern thing. When i was in the army we just had a modular sleep system with a Gortex outer shell. This is my second season as an ADV rider and I just ran across your channel about a month ago. MAN! you have some great content. I sure wish I would have seen your videos sooner. Oh well, I have them now and am continually watching. Thank you SO much and glad you are back out and about. Take care buddy and I hope to meet up with you in Texas or just on the road one day. I will be doing the NMBDR in October. I will definitely have a liner with me
Thanks for this informative, quick, and to the point video on sleeping bag liners. I like how you have broken down the types with their pros and cons. This has made my decision a lot easier with less regrets.
Hey Tim. I also prefer silk to the others. However, instead of a liner, I bought silk long underwear. And, at 0 Dark 30 when ya gotta go, slipping on the boots and out the door is great.
I bought a 50/50 cotton silk liner. It’s a pain in the butt because there is no zipper and you have to get into from one end. BUT,I have found a better use. I put my Klymit V Luxe inside it and it keeps me warmer and it quiets the mattress!
Had my silk liner for nearly 10 years. I second everything you said. The comment about the merino liner has me curious now, however. I love my wool too.
Wiggy's sleeping bags are awesome! Machine wash when you get to a washer. I have slept in mine soaking wet and was still warm and the bag was dry in the morning! You should check them out. They also make an awesome ground pad, and jackets.
Cool topic I use one when I stay in motels and hostels maybe I’m paranoid about sleeping in strange bedding or got a thing about bugs (I do if they stay outside we are good) I got the Vumos it’s polyester silk like and you can unzip it to make a sheet. The specs Packed in its bag 7.5 inches long and weighs 11.5 ounces or 330 grams I’ll get it out of storage on Saturday and if I remember share a picture of it, It is warm It also has a pillow pocket .
Same here. I have been using a liner for years. I do lots of long hiking/trekking in the mountains and when I sleep in a "mountain refuge" it is good to have an extra liner for better hygiene protection.
Silk and wool are the best temp control fabrics for wide swings. Like merino or your old Pendleton, a silk liner handles a lot of conditions. I have used one for two decades. It adds at least 5 degrees and make a great stand alone when it is warm.
REI Cocoon Silk Mummy Liner for that price. Only in white. Right now I use a liner from Vietnam that was $50, not as good but great bang for my bucks. I might be able to ask the person I bought it from if she still has them. @@nate7629
I just have a couple of British Army sleeping bag liners, I assume they are just basic polycotton liners issued by MoD. Paid like £4 army surplus for them and you can stuff one inside even the most basic sleeping bag and create an extra warmth retention layer. People underestimate Army surplus stuff.
Hello Tim, it's great that you share your extensive experience. I prefer a bed and a blanket 😂! Greetings from Michael from the second Corona shotdown in Germany!
Thanks Tim. Very timely. Last weekend, while camping in the Catskills, Friday night's temps were 55 degrees & I slept in my fleece lined. Saturday night's temps dipped to 29 degrees & that same fleece liner was a game changer in my 30 degree sleeping bag!
Not sure why but I wasn't getting your weekly videos since I got back from my trip in September. Definitely don't want to miss all the great tips, so I subscribed again. And as far as liners go, I can't figure out how not to get all twisted up in my silk liner (they're slippery buggers)
I must critique you failed to mention getting in and out to pee and the different style opening available I feel other then what you mentioned entry and exit to pee are important as the material.
Hey Tim - enjoying your videos! Was just watching the Big Bend videos. I’m a native Texan, and it’s always been on my bucket list. Anyway, if you’re still looking for a big bend sticker - check out Sendero Provisions. They have the coolest Big Bend sticker I’ve ever seen. Rubber side down, brother!
Been shopping for a silk liner because I’m planning a six month trip with temps ranging from 30-80 degrees at night & some nights in a hostel:-) I am 76 inches tall, do you have a specific model recommendation? Great video. Peace
So for your trailhead bag, what do you use for a liner? I bought the leef and was thinkong of a liner. But I dont want a rectangle one, and I also dont want one that reduces the inner space of the bag. As you probably know, the Leef 20° is the same exact measurements as your trailhead bag....thanks in advance. Maybe a let me know a link that will get you some kickback.
Very interesting topic. You have me leaning between synthetic and silk. Do you find getting in and out of these cumbersome? Or do clothes “slide” against the material easily? It appears that these don’t commonly have zippers. Or at least it’s not mentioned in write ups. I have mummy style bag (a Kelly based on your earlier recommendation) and don’t want any additional “confinement”. Are the mummy liners the only proper fit or could a rectangular liner work and not be too bulky? I’m trying not to cheat myself out of leg movement inside the bag because I’m a restless sleeper. Thoughts? PS...Love your book! A great read!
Hey Tim, thanks for the video. What silk liner did you get? P.s. your conversion from F to C is incorrect. Since these are relative measurements, you would just divide the F numbers by 1.8. Looks like you did a absolute conversion. The giveaway is the liner would not add a negative insulation value. I really have enjoyed your book and use it as a reference guide. Thanks for all the great tips! Keep them coming!!!
you did the math wrong at 1:45. if youre adding 10F thats the same as 5.6C, and adding 15f adds 8.3c. how you said it, it makes it colder in the bag. for every 1°C you add 1.8°F.
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I use my liner as a sleeping bag in the summer!
When I drove a semi , I was out 3+ weeks at a time. I used a 20° sleeping bag in my bunk as it was easier than making the bed daily. If you've ever spent 4-6hrs in a broke down truck with no heat in midwinter's -20° on the plains waiting for help you would too! 😵 For a liner I just used a double bed sheet sewn across the bottom and 1/4 of the way up the side which kept the liner aligned and allowed easy in and out. Sheets can be had at 2nd hand thrift shops for very cheap as opposed to new sheets so I carried several and changed them regularly.
1:45
You did your fahrenheit to celsius incorrectly. You were saying a liner adds 10 to 15 degrees more warmth. That would add 5.5 to 8.3 more degrees Celsius. You just converted what 10F and 15F would be in C; not the change in temp.
Yeah. Americans trying to use the metric system are always funny.
Thanks for this. I was very confused 😂
I love my merino wool liner.
I use my silk liner for everything even in hotels when there's a possibility of bedbugs. I treat my silk liner with natural Permethrin Treatment to protect myself from bugs etc especially in South America. I also used the silk liner while travelling and hot places like Italy instead of a sleeping bag. It definitely keeps your sleeping bag in tip-top condition. It take such such a small space that you'd be crazy not to get 1
I discovered silk for snow skiing. I found that silk removed that bulky and limited movement feeling of the long underwear technologies in the 1980s and 90s plus I could wash it in the sink at night and wear it again the following day, drape it over a shower curtain rod or towel rack. I have never gone back to anything else. In 2016 on Christmas Day we were at “Sunshine Village”, Banff, Canada, skiing in 5° F in a GoreTex shell I got from Eddie Bauer in the early 2000s for around $240 (try and find a deal like that now), a fleece pullover a thin Marino wool sweater over the silk turtleneck (standard not heavy weight) with an off the shelf bib style ski pants and silk long johns (standard weight) and I was comfortable except where my skin was exposed, my only reason for taking a break now and then. Silk works and is actually cool in the summer! And yes I wear this under my riding gear for those early start cold mornings on the Africa twin too.
I never knew of such a dern thing. When i was in the army we just had a modular sleep system with a Gortex outer shell. This is my second season as an ADV rider and I just ran across your channel about a month ago. MAN! you have some great content. I sure wish I would have seen your videos sooner. Oh well, I have them now and am continually watching. Thank you SO much and glad you are back out and about. Take care buddy and I hope to meet up with you in Texas or just on the road one day. I will be doing the NMBDR in October. I will definitely have a liner with me
Thanks for this informative, quick, and to the point video on sleeping bag liners. I like how you have broken down the types with their pros and cons. This has made my decision a lot easier with less regrets.
Hey Tim. I also prefer silk to the others. However, instead of a liner, I bought silk long underwear. And, at 0 Dark 30 when ya gotta go, slipping on the boots and out the door is great.
I bought a 50/50 cotton silk liner. It’s a pain in the butt because there is no zipper and you have to get into from one end. BUT,I have found a better use. I put my Klymit V Luxe inside it and it keeps me warmer and it quiets the mattress!
This is such a great trick.
Had my silk liner for nearly 10 years. I second everything you said. The comment about the merino liner has me curious now, however. I love my wool too.
Silk seems real good, material+weight wise, yet, the silk liners I've seen only increase temps by 2+ celsius.
Wiggy's sleeping bags are awesome! Machine wash when you get to a washer. I have slept in mine soaking wet and was still warm and the bag was dry in the morning! You should check them out. They also make an awesome ground pad, and jackets.
Cool topic
I use one when I stay in motels and hostels maybe I’m paranoid about sleeping in strange bedding or got a thing about bugs (I do if they stay outside we are good)
I got the Vumos it’s polyester silk like and you can unzip it to make a sheet.
The specs
Packed in its bag 7.5 inches long and weighs 11.5 ounces or 330 grams
I’ll get it out of storage on Saturday and if I remember share a picture of it,
It is warm
It also has a pillow pocket .
Same here. I have been using a liner for years. I do lots of long hiking/trekking in the mountains and when I sleep in a "mountain refuge" it is good to have an extra liner for better hygiene protection.
Silk and wool are the best temp control fabrics for wide swings. Like merino or your old Pendleton, a silk liner handles a lot of conditions. I have used one for two decades. It adds at least 5 degrees and make a great stand alone when it is warm.
Which liner(s) do you recommend for places with a lot of moisture (rain), and is 5 degrees warmer (farenheight), that is around the ballpark of $80
REI Cocoon Silk Mummy Liner for that price. Only in white. Right now I use a liner from Vietnam that was $50, not as good but great bang for my bucks. I might be able to ask the person I bought it from if she still has them. @@nate7629
Grew up hunting in the Arizona hills (Young) and always had flannel liners my Aunt made for our bags. They were attached by ties on the corners.
I just have a couple of British Army sleeping bag liners, I assume they are just basic polycotton liners issued by MoD. Paid like £4 army surplus for them and you can stuff one inside even the most basic sleeping bag and create an extra warmth retention layer. People underestimate Army surplus stuff.
Informative video. Every camper should purchase Tim’s book.
Hello Tim, it's great that you share your extensive experience. I prefer a bed and a blanket 😂! Greetings from Michael from the second Corona shotdown in Germany!
Thanks Tim. Very timely. Last weekend, while camping in the Catskills, Friday night's temps were 55 degrees & I slept in my fleece lined. Saturday night's temps dipped to 29 degrees & that same fleece liner was a game changer in my 30 degree sleeping bag!
May i know which model of fleece liner you choose? Does it matters?
Did you say they can add minus 15 degrees C?
Very informative video, as always! :)
helpful information, thanks a lot. Silk is certainly underrated.
You may have already done one but could you do a video on the tools you carry. I’m new to the whole moto camping thing.
I have an old one on the channel but I'm due for an update.
Not sure why but I wasn't getting your weekly videos since I got back from my trip in September. Definitely don't want to miss all the great tips, so I subscribed again. And as far as liners go, I can't figure out how not to get all twisted up in my silk liner (they're slippery buggers)
Hi Tim i have a silk liner and i had to put velcro on It and on the bag to make It stay in when i go in or out
I have to say, you are really getting good at this. Great vid. Nice detail and pros/cons.
Thx guy ... Great information !!
Great job, Tim. I learned something new from you again. Keep up the good work!
I must critique you failed to mention getting in and out to pee and the different style opening available I feel other then what you mentioned entry and exit to pee are important as the material.
Hey Tim - enjoying your videos! Was just watching the Big Bend videos. I’m a native Texan, and it’s always been on my bucket list. Anyway, if you’re still looking for a big bend sticker - check out Sendero Provisions. They have the coolest Big Bend sticker I’ve ever seen. Rubber side down, brother!
In the summer I use just a liner often.
I'd really love to see someone demonstrate exactly how to get into a sleeping bag liner, when used with a sleeping bag.
I’ll add that to my list of videos
Been shopping for a silk liner because I’m planning a six month trip with temps ranging from 30-80 degrees at night & some nights in a hostel:-) I am 76 inches tall, do you have a specific model recommendation? Great video. Peace
Great video. Btw... you have to work for a radiostation. You have the perfect voice 🎤🎧😀
So for your trailhead bag, what do you use for a liner? I bought the leef and was thinkong of a liner. But I dont want a rectangle one, and I also dont want one that reduces the inner space of the bag. As you probably know, the Leef 20° is the same exact measurements as your trailhead bag....thanks in advance. Maybe a let me know a link that will get you some kickback.
Can you buy a liner that zips together ? I zip 2 sleeping bags together so I'm looking for a liner that I can do the same thing to .
Great video Tim, Thanks. 👍😎
Do silk liners need to be dry cleaned?
No, I just throw mine in the wash.
Bamboo?
Another great review Tim. Cheers
Thank you.
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Good one Tim. Thanks.
are zippers a bad thing to have on your sleeping bag liner?
Very interesting topic. You have me leaning between synthetic and silk. Do you find getting in and out of these cumbersome? Or do clothes “slide” against the material easily? It appears that these don’t commonly have zippers. Or at least it’s not mentioned in write ups. I have mummy style bag (a Kelly based on your earlier recommendation) and don’t want any additional “confinement”. Are the mummy liners the only proper fit or could a rectangular liner work and not be too bulky? I’m trying not to cheat myself out of leg movement inside the bag because I’m a restless sleeper. Thoughts? PS...Love your book! A great read!
They make ones that are easier to get in and out of, i don't have any big issues with the enclosed mummy style though
Hey Tim, thanks for the video.
What silk liner did you get?
P.s. your conversion from F to C is incorrect. Since these are relative measurements, you would just divide the F numbers by 1.8. Looks like you did a absolute conversion. The giveaway is the liner would not add a negative insulation value.
I really have enjoyed your book and use it as a reference guide. Thanks for all the great tips!
Keep them coming!!!
you did the math wrong at 1:45. if youre adding 10F thats the same as 5.6C, and adding 15f adds 8.3c. how you said it, it makes it colder in the bag. for every 1°C you add 1.8°F.
1:45 that not how the conversion of degree from °F to °C in this case works ...
1:45 That liner that makes you 15C colder 🤣 Dude, that not how F -> C conversion works.
01:43 that's not how adding warmth works in celsius.....
bamboo?
I sleep always with a liner, like every day in my bed lol
I sweat less with cotton than synthetics.
Surely if you do sweat it gets all wet and cold? That's usually what happens with cotton items.
When it’s really cold, wrap your sleeping bag in a space blanket. 😉
I ALWAYS buy something before you make a video about it. Ugh. LoL
Boring yep you said it but also the most important part,