AVOID This Huge Mistake When Painting Your Miniatures!
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- The video you have been waiting for! The essence of miniature painting explained. I am outlining why this is important and what we can do to achieve it. Any more questions feel free to comment, or join the discord server to discuss this or other topics of miniature painting that you want to dive in deeper!
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WHEN IN DOUBT - MORE CONTRAST!
@guigreen that's great to hear! Always happy to help!
Thank u so much man! Going to give it a try. Wish me luck!
@@Slasherx28 GOOD LUCK, SOLDiER!
I can't believe you get so few comments, your content is fantastic, nearly 48,000 people have watched this episode and yet there is only 165 comments.
@@MaZEEZaM thanks mate! I don't know! all I can do is try again and again and make better videos :)
The main "issue" with hobby painting is that most hobbyists don't get to learn true artistic concepts. They can learn the "how to", but not "why" it works. Congratulations, you've managed to teach my fist two semesters of a BFA to thousands! You rock, man! Just a great VISUAL demonstration without all of the art jargon I had to learn with it. Thank you!
good point
My job - engineering and my other main hobby - photography suffers the same. Rarely people teach why it's just how to do, so people can't develop their own concepts built on understanding.
2 semesters huh… sounds like a rip off by comparison
For those who discovers contrasts or certain contrast in the video there is 3 squares to show the different contrast but the one in the middle is about two contrasts (the green and red one, he starts with cold and hot then speaks about complementary, its two different types of contrast). I read in a book about 4 types of contrasts, the 4 that he speaks but show just 3 squares.
So the
-light-dark
-cold-hot
-complementary (opposite in a color wheel, if you know the primary, secondary and more like turquoise you can do it by head, red and yellow makes orange, the 3rd primary is blue, red is the complementary of yellow and blue so green, between green and blue you have turquoise, the complementary is between the complamentaries of blue and green so between orange and red so a redish orange)
The 4th is saturation, the exemple he gives before speaking of it while speaking of cold and hot with the grey and orange bust is saturation contrast, take one satured color better for small details with a unsatured color like a bluish grey, if with bluish grey you use orange for details you also have a got cold and a complementary contrast.
You can have more contrasts like metalic - non metalic, soft transition - hard transition or textures, etc
Literally needed to hear about 30 seconds of you talking to know I wanted to sub. Keep up the good work.
I cannot stress enough how big of a deal this is. Immediately after watching your video I gave a batch of minis I had previously finished just another drybrush of a warm white and they just *POP* so much more now :D
Another reason many lack contrast and other similar aspects of painting in their works is because generally if you were to paint an object in real life, like a dresser, you just paint it a single color, and the lighting provides the shadows/highlights naturally. Whereas in scaled-down minis we as artists bake in the shadows and highlights ourselves b/c the light doesn't provide the same effect at that scale. I'm glad you bring aspects of this up in your video. This is the most difficult thing for me to get people to understand and I find it holds back the most people in the hobby, especially those who haven't studied fine arts of their own accord prior.
This is the key to painting. You can literally not smooth anything, if you learn how to have proper light and shadow placements your miniature will look outstanding from a normal distance away. Thank you
I often handicap my own painting because I am afraid of messing up a model with extreme highlights. It sounds like I'm going to have to experiment with this "contrast first" painting to develop my skills.
This guy out here talking about intricate colour theory meanwhile I'm trying to get a smooth base coat on my models and stop paint getting everywhere when doing small details
Get some magnifying glasses, they help a ton ;)
@@trovarion Indeed they do. They made me realize im even worse at this! :D
@@trovarion Magnification helps immensely because what we see off magnification looks so much better after painting it magnified. I love your advice on this!
@@greenmachineminis206 true!
Also smaller brushes. A lot of videos recommend brushes I could paint a house with. I use 5-0 for general work and 10-0 for details. Also stay away from caffeine.
"Contrast first, smoothness later".
Oh Boy, I really needed to hear that !
It's a fab point you make on scaling down textures/lighting down to minis. I think many people miss this so much when starting mini painting, I too fell into this trap. I say this because it is a huge blocker to feeling any satisfaction from painting sometimes!
Absolutely one of the best painting channels on TH-cam. As someone who is just starting miniature painting this content is gold. Tons of information and examples. Also advice on how to improve. Well done as always.
This means a lot! Thank you! I will try to keep the quality high :)
This was very informative and even though I've read and watched other material on the subject, you managed to give me new valuable information. I think the "contrast first, smoothness second" motto and its multiple meanings was very useful, especially the part about placing higher values first and then blending higher and lower was great and something I definitely need to learn.
It has revolutionized my painting so much! No need to get stuck in 100s of layers anymore!
@@trovarion I believe that and we can all definitely see the results! I'm having issues being very slow with my painting, most likely largely because of focusing too much on the smoothness and doing just what you said. Can't wait to try this out once I've built my next batch of miniatures. Thanks again for this video and all you do to help the community!
Great video, will definitely be trying out contrasting techniques on my new batch of necron troops, trying to be 'smooth' and layering like crazy takes along time on my previous attempts
Great quality work on this vid, and minis featured. Thanks for sharing knowledge!
Really great info at excellent volume. Appreciated the extras like the green marine demo within the vid.
I love it! Thank you for taking the time to share this knowledge with the mini painting community!
You articulated so much information clearly. Thanks!
Great video, reminds me to take more time to focus on contrast in my work.
One of the best tutorials i´ve seen. Thanks!
Great video. Lots of really interesting information, and well presented
This is the single most helpful video I've ever seen for an intermediate painter.
I haven't got better in a pretty long time. Seeing this gives me so many ideas and let's me look at my own work and see the mistakes I've made.
Glad you listened to my advice minidenKappa
Really helpful video! Thanks!
Excellent discussion and examples of contrast. Probably the best I've seen yet. Well done. Subscribed!
I appreciate that! Thanks for taking the time to write a comment! o7
This is a really informative and helpful video! That extra bit of contrast really does make a huge difference
Thanks a lot for your comment!
Well that was an easy subscription. Many thanks for the informative video, look forward to more.
Excellent tutorial, really well explained, thank you!
Really wonderful video that is going to inform a lot of my design work, not just painting. Thank you!
There’s so much in this video that’s helpful. Thanks a lot 👍
This video was absolutely fascinating! I am so excited to utilize these concepts in my own minis
Nice!
Thank you! Learn so much I did. !!!
Great explanation about contrast! Thank you so much for share. I've learn a lot.
thank you!
I feel like you've been spying on me..
I've been trying to do black armour this way for my Drazhar, but I got stuck on the smoothness.
Trying again tonight, while chanting: Contrast first, smoothness second.
it's the chant of my people!
Thanx a bunch. a lot of great tips
Just starting painting a lance of Kurita mechs.... very useful tips thanks.
Great!
great tips. thank you so much
This is incredibly helpful, thank you so much, king
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Video shared... Thanks for the tips.
A GOLDEN explanation and video!
Thanks!
So amazingly talented
Excellent lesson. Hugely informative and helpful. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
You're crushing! Keep it up
Excellent video. Liked how you took someone's mini and highlighted (pun intended!!) how it could be improved. Some valuable advice in that video.
Thanks a lot! I thought about making a series on that, maybe going to make a test video to see how people like it.
danke für den wirklich tollen Beitrag. Ich glaube das ist eines der schwierigsten Themen "kontrast" zu erzielen. ich male seit 3 jahre und ich mach doch schon fortschritte, aber genau das thema schaffe ich immer irgendwie nie richtig. mit deinen Tipps hab ich neue eindrücke gewonnen die ich umsetzen kann. Du bist der beste (-: danke
Danke!
Really enjoyed this. Thank you! Subbed! :)
thank you and welcome to the channel :)
Another fantastic easy to follow video. At this rate I will be your competition in Golden Demon HAHA serious though, thank you very much for this. The Green Marine, and the Colour/Black White model really opened my eyes to what to aim for. Fantastic. Please never stop.
Holy shit. Brilliant, concise and I'm literally now doing cy contrast first then blending. Thanks.
nice :)
This is really good advice for a beginner.
Now I am not so sad about my transitions and I will be more daring with my contrasts,
The smoothness will come later.
I came here from Midwinter Minis Farseer mini you 'judged.' I immediately subbed. I want to know more!
This is a brilliant video.
really good video dude
thanks!
High levels of contrast is the perfect way to make a tabletop army look amazing in-game. It's part of how I pushed myself to where I'm at.
im currently painting a custom chaos warband of malice Worshipping marines. Black/White plus pink/green/red/blue depending on the official "God" for the unit.
I love the saturation contrast this naturally creates.
I needed to hear this years ago.
Late for the algorithm, but still here to share the love
I feel I can finally begin miniature painting now
*incredible failure
oh
Awesome video. And for free - guys throw your money at this guys patreon. Its really worth it.
That was amazing. Im subbin
My man
Is there a video of the blood angel paintjob at the end on your patreon ? : )
yes, there Is a video where I show how I painted the red armor and explain my approach to red!
I learned something!!
something, better than nothing! :D
@@trovarion that was an understatement... i actually learned a ton and I'm excited to put some of your tips to use on my next "try hard" project
Awesome presentation, I do have a technical question tough, see when I want to be very precise in my painting, I always try to barely load the very tip of my brush, but sometimes the paint dries far too fast, do you suggest mixing my acrylic paints (citadel) with medium instead of water ? because whenever I use water it dilutes it far too much and I'm basically finding myself painting water on my minis
Using more medium instead og using more water wont change a thing. You need a brush with a bigger reservoir and properly load the brush without overloading it. It needs a bit of practice. I show a lot of this in my layering and glazing video. Hope that helps.
Great video man. Any recommendations for magnifying glasses? Which one do you use for painting? Thanks!
Not in front of a PC right now, so I cant properly copy/paste. If you go to my latest video "10 top secret things..." you can find links to magnifying glasses
I'm struggling to picture the reds for blood angels to make the armor look polished and high contrast, do you go into yellows or add white to the red?
I use neither really. i make sure i have red as a midtone and shade with black, then i add only a little highlight color - it's all about the perceived contrast. there is a more in depth tutorial on my patreon.
Are you still planning to release a contrast theory video in the future. Would love to watch it. This one was great btw; one of your best!
contrast theory?
@@trovarion oops, autocorrect, ment to say color theory
@@Wijkert yes...eventually. it takes time to prep and paint minis up for it.
sehr gut
Hans, get ze Flamenwerfer!
"Say goodbye to the concepts of correct and right because those concepts convey the idea of perfection and give the false impression that there is one true way in miniature painting"
Nice quote
awesome info! also what is the bust on screen at 1:11? it looks really cool! is it still available to purchase somewhere?
Candy Chan by Neko Galaxy
Great info, thank you for sharing! This is something I struggle with and this was very helpful. Also, what was the name of the blue haired model you were working on. She was looking amazing!
Candy Chan
Thank you!
Really helpful video, Thanks. Do you have a tutorial for the female character you show in this video?
Thanks! Yes, the tutorials of candy chan are on my patreon! Patreon.com/trovarion
@@trovarion Thanks
So, I'm looking at doing an army in an eldritch horror theme using desaturated blueish-green (aka go away green) with strong contrast points of magenta into fluorescent pink. Since I want to use the desaturated green to push attention to the pink, how much would you push the value contrast on the green? As of right now, I'm half considering zenithal priming in my intended green, and only focusing on the pink. How much more would you go with "character" models?
You can basically try anything here, there is no right or wrong. To me having a bit of the torquise show, but being rather dark and then basically highlighting wit magenta and pink sounds fine. How much time you should invest into your characters is up to you :) can always paint them up battleready and the gradually invest more and more work to make them stand out! I think that's what I would to do :)
Great tutorial excellent explanation.
Question, why are there no good zenithal tutorials out there? I personally feel like proper zenithal highlighting is the key to creating great contrast and more lifelike miniatures.
What exactly would you want to see in a "zenithal tutorial"?
@@trovarion Thanks for the reply. I wasn't referring to you specifically but rather the internet and TH-cam in general.
What I'm seeing a lot are top notch artists, like yourself, using precise zenithal highlighting prior to placing down layers of paint. You're placing the highlights in tightly not scattered. I want to know how you do it (airbrush settings, distance, needle size, etc.) and what is the thought process you go through when you zenithal highlight. Also, are you spraying the highlights on or painting them on?
The only information out there right now on zenithal is the basic spray from the top then the side angle then sideways which is generic and doesn't lead to a good result.
@@arrinstoner thanks for explaining! It's actually interesting because i find zenital priming and all related aspects very overrated, other than giving beginners an idea about where to place highlights. I only use it because the miniature is better visible on camera in the early stages and I only use spraycans. So, I would really like to help and maybe create a video, but I am not sure I understand.
Arrin by the way you describe it,reads like you are looking for value sketching videos and not zenithal prime videos.trovarion explains value sketching in one of his videos.@arrin stoner
@@delboytrotter3480 YES! I didn't know that is what it is called. That is it. Thank you! To me I viewed it as an advanced form of zenithal priming. Good to finally find out what it's called. Now time to learn how to do it. Thank you so much.
So what you're saying is paint should be shaken, not stirred? :)
M'lady
@@trovarion who is this kujo weirdo? a cheeky so and so I say
@@sethhavens1574 bit of a turnip really!
@@trovarion XD
@@trovarion we all love a well basted root vegetable
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Where did you get that magnifying visor/glasses? Mine are so bulky
a local electronics store!
Sorry, I can't like the video twice.
Man, was it good!!!
Thank you!
What kind of paper are you using for your wet pallet and how wet do you keep it?
parchment paper. really wet.
@@trovarion thank you!
@@kevinishki no problemo
Heya, trying to find your vid where you talk about not going all the way to white on the highlights, and pushing down to dark instead.
Where is it?
I don't know, sounds like something I could have said in a lot of videos!
In hairdressing warm colours appear a shade brighter and cool a shade darker. I wonder if this the same.
sure, since one is associated with light and the other with shadow :)
I print small 1:3 scale objects that have letters embossed in them, sometimes. I've tried to mask the area around it with a rectangle and then put paint on it then wipe it off and hope enough paint remains in the tiny letters but I can't get rid of the smudge around it.
Does anybody please have a good method for this?
For contrast you need to use the glaze technique? I am new painting and i am watching allot of videos
Contrast means you need bright and dark areas on your mini. You can achieve that with a lot of different techniques. Glazing is just tge process of applying thin layers of colors. You can use it to both shade and highlight your minis. But you could also use layers, washes and drybrushing, stippling, etc. Up to you!
@@trovarion thanks i am watching allot of videos. I wath the one about glaze vs layer
for the warm/cold contrast i'm familiar with using colder colors as shades for warm colors, but could you use warm colors to highlight cold colors? like if you have a miniature with blue cloths, could your highest highlight have a little yellow or orange?
yes, definitely! Some other example of this would be to paint gold NMM, which is typically warm colors, because of all the yellow and browns, right? you can add a little blue to your last highlight to make that highlight stand out more. Just experiment and have fun :) you can always dial it back and go over the warm highlight with a cool one if you don't like it.
@@trovarion That is genius, great video, I really liked the comparison of same gold/bronze color on shoulder pad next to dark color and white, that really shows the difference
@@trovarion Thanks for the advice. great video as always.
@@Zumikito I still haven't finished those dudes! LOL
@@sethhavens1574 FINISH THOSE DUDES!!
Paint Gotrek, Son of Gurney?
What is the model with the blue hair? Or is it a bust?
Candy Chan by Neko Galaxy
@@trovarion Thanks! Great vid by the way! Google recommended your content!
@@martinchua9104 thanks! and nice! what have you been searching for in google?
@@trovarion I just got into painting and have been checking out big painting youtubers. All of a sudden I got recommended here haha
@@martinchua9104 great! well, welcome and if you have any questions, just ask :)
Hey, did u ever used a502 oil-paints on miniatures?
I don't use oil paints, I like acrylics better. But that's just personal preference of course!
@@trovarion ok, thx for the quick answer.
Technique is nice but a mini vmcan look great with little technique. I see minis all the time that look really good but when you zoom in they're kinda janky. They still look good though
I wonder if you know that your intro chime is the same as scholagladiatoria's?
Yes. And I used it first.
There is a figure he keeps show, a female with long hair and sunglasses. I have this model, but I can't find reference images for it and was shocked to find it in the video. Does anyone know where that video of his is? I'd love to watch it.
It's on my patreon.
@@trovarion Thank you for that, looks like I may have to go check it out.
I paint to imitate life and thankfully the only useful part of my art degree is I can understand and implement good artistic practice for my minis. £9,900 a year for mini painting classes. (I do game art lol)
this video should be shown to every b3ginner painter
So, an old dog CAN learn new tricks.
Thankee!
what sculpt is that? 7:10
mine. www.trovarion.com/online-store
What is the character called at 8:59
I don't know, it's a random Chaplain artwork.
These things look like they're 2d drawings.
It trips me out whenever they get rotated 😆
Whats the female bust in the beginning of the video? Looks Awesome
Candy Chan by Neko Galaxy
@@trovarion Thank you very much
A video to InstaSubs... Oh wait, I was suscriber already :)
haha!
Didn't really spot the single mistake - or how to fix it, but I enjoyed your video and the problems discussed never the less. Thanks for sharing.
this is a good video, but i have to disagree that this is the single biggest mistake. it might be for more advanced painters, but not for more beginner levels. i'd argue that over highlighting (edges mostly) is a more common and easily rectified mistake.
your intro tone is very simliar to scholargladiatora. was bugging me "where'd i hear that before?"
interesting. It's the same, only his is a shorter snippet. I started using it 3 weeks before him (4.7.2018 vs. 25.7.2018).
Perfect title, made me click - sounds weird but title and lenght (often way too long, no more than 30 min) makes me not look at ur content even thi its often great
I don't know how this comment makes me feel xD