Not gonna lie but I kinda think it is lame if this plot armor comes up again , are all the villains on Harry Potter world gonna fall by wand technicalities?
Did Harry's wand choose him because of who Harry was and would become, or did Harry's wand choose him because of the piece of Voldemort's soul that was within Harry?
A little of both. His wand core and wood are uniquely suited for his personality, but ANY phoenix feather core + Holly wood wand would choose him. The brother wand to Voldemort's chose Harry because of that piece of Voldemort's soul in Harry, marking him as Voldemort's equal.
Its MY theory, i made it over a week ago on a different video of theres "I have to disagree about the dumbledore blood protecting Credence from the blood pact, if you remember, Grindewald slapped Credence in the first film. And he held ulterior motives again Credence, which we see in the beginning of this movie that if dumbeldore even thought of directly going against grindewald, the blood pact would harm him. Grindewald was directly wanting to use and harm credence and came at him physically repeatedly thoughout the movies to intimidate and make him submit, a throw back to the woman who raised him and hurt him from the first film. That being said, idk if you actually saw the movie, but Dumbledore says the reason it broke is because Grindewald sought to kill, and Dumbeldore sought to protect, and i think much like how every time Harry went against Voldemort and harry used a disabling spell while voldy shot a killing spell, and harry was able to push back, i think this has less to do with the intentions on the wizards, and more so the intentions of the wands. Like how Harry and voldy's wands were twins and didnt want to destroy each other, regardless what the wizards wanted, the wands themselves chose to support the one that wont kill the owner of the twin wand. I believe its likely Dumbledore and Grindewald had twin cores, even though they havent spoken on the wands yet. Their small battle is the ONLY time outside of voldy and harry that we see spells connect the way they did, and it would also make sense why dumbledore knew EXACTLY what harry was talking about when he said the wands connected. I believe its likely they found out as teens what happened when they fought each other, which likely is what pushed them to make a blood pact, as well as their shared goals at the time."
The only problem I have with the “Dumbledore is scared of seeing Ariana if Priori Incantatum happens” is that… would Dumbledore not had casted thousands of spells since his 3 way duel with Grindelwald and his brother? What are the chances Ariana would even be regurgitated?
I am thinking the same as you on this. Like they would have to hold it for quite sometime. I believe magic exhaustion would kick in before the wand got back that far on the spells casted. Especially since Dumbledore was a hands on DADA teacher. Like to become that powerful you need two things. A lot of practice. Plus studying a lot. Hence why the Auroras classes are that both of dueling and heavy studying.
But wasn't Ariana was the only person Dumbledore (might have) killed? So Ariana would appear, just like the people Voldermort had recently killed. Not because it happened recently, but because she was the only one. The film made it seem like only significant spells would appear, for example you wouldn't see Dumbledore cast Lumos in Priori Incantatum.
@@1616jaime The way Priori Incantatem is explaining is that it causes echoes of the most recent spells of the losing wizard to regurgitate from their wand. That means all spells. Not just the killing curse
@@michaelp7250 Yes I know. But for example, in The Goblet of Fire movie, when it happened in the graveyard, you just saw dead people. Didn't Voldermort use Crucio on Harry a couple of times after he forced him to bow before their dual? We did not see that spell regurgitated and I am not sure how they would portray that anyway. Would we just see red sparks flying around or an image of Harry being tortured?
I was thinking the same thing! But in the scene from Harry and Voldemort's duel from The Goblet of Fire we see Harry's parents come out of Voldemort's wand along with Cedric, which confused me since Voldemort killed them literally 15 years prior but priori incantatum is only supposed to regurgitate recent spells.
Actually, I was thinking that maybe Albus and Aberforth wands could have twin cores. **Spoilers** That's why they were able to deflect Grindelwald's killing curse against Credence.
and twin cores when used against a comum enemy increase each other's power ten fold, like the boot Brothers in the story about the american school I don't know how to wirte the name
Not gonna lie but I kinda think it is lame if this plot armor comes up again , are all the villains on Harry Potter world gonna fall by wand technicalities?
Maybe all the Hallows are made from Thestrals and thats why its said they met Death, the stone does make you able to see the dead, the wand changes loyalty once the owners dead, somewhat like not being able to see the dead and the cloak shields you from the eyes of the living
@@Nicros21 the wand changes hands even if you quite literally fist fight the owner, at least if we are to believe that the wand came over to Harry after Harry defeated Draco
Except thestral do none of the above for you you just can't see them unless you witness a death now that being said according to the tales of Beatle the bard death snapped a twig from a tree to make the elder wand picked up a rock from the stream to make the resurrection stone and cut a piece of his own invisibility cloak to make ignotus peverals cloak Wich also shielded him from the eyes of death himself
It’s not just about how available the wood is, it’s also how the wood react to magic, it’s extremely rare that a witch or wizard will be able to use the elder wood. “The wand chooses the wizard” so there could be 100 elder wood wands but none of them would pick a wizard worthy of using them
@@AdriaanZwemer My understanding was that not all trees of a species are magical enough to be made into wands. Bowtruckkes only live in trees magical enough to be used for wands for example. So while it my be a common tree, Wand quality wood of that species can still be rare.
SCB, we need a video on how Grindelwald used a variation of Vulnera Sanentur to revive the Qilin when it was implied that Snape created Vulnera Sanentur himself as a countercurse to his own Sectumsempra.
Exactly. When watching the movie I was baffled because I also thought Snape had invented Vulnera Sanentur as healing/countercurse. But the FB movies don't seem to always follow HP canon (McGonnall's presence, the way portkeys work, apparating in Hogwarts,...). Maybe the words itself weren't Snape's invention since the word mean "wounds are being healed" (Latin). --> The intent and/or power of Vulnera Sanentur might be what made it Snape's invention. Grindelwald seems to manipulate the water for a temporary healing illusion (on a corpse), while Snape can use it without the help of water and it is a permanent heal (to prevent death). If the movie truly implies Vulnera Sanentur was indeed a known (albeit) advanced spell, it would -in my opinion- take away credit of Snape's ingenuity of making both a signature curse AND countercurse.
I think it's an error of adaptation. The book never specified the counter-curse for Sectumsempra, it only says Snape mutters an incantation. The specific words are only said in the movie. That's what it refers when Grindelwald uses it. Or, in the universe of the movies, maybe Snape only invented the curse and didn't care how to heal its effects (in his teens, it wouldn't have been out of character for him), he merely knows it from experience or logic.
Why would Dumbledore's or Grindlewald's wands regurgitate the spell that killed Arianna when that was so *so* many years ago? Voldemort's only brought back Lilly and James because Voldemort's wand hadn't been used since that night 14 years prior... They'd have to go back through how many years/decades of spells first.
Well, I don't think Dumbledore has killed anyone else... so, I don't think he was particularly worried about Grindelwald's being regurgitated, but his own.
@@Adrian-Maxwell It regurgitates all spells, not just murderous ones. Every single spell for years would have to come out before either of them got back to that fight.
I attributed this connection between the two wands to the blood pact that was in the process of being broken. The red color matched with the inside of the amulet that was attached to dumbledores manifestation of the bloodpact...
I agree - blood magic is very powerful and the blood pact vial shows that Dumbledore's blood and Grindelwald's became one. Therefore a piece of Dumbledore lived in Grindelwald while a piece of Grindelwald lived in Dumbledore. Albus, Aberforth and now we know Aurelius aka Credence share the same blood. Therefore just like we learnt through the Lilly, Petunia, Harry link they have the same level of protection. I also suspect that when Ariana died in the three way duel she died partly because of her obscurus and it is possible that she gave her life to save Albus and Aberforth but because of the blood pact, and the fact that Grindelwald now shared their same blood the protection went on him too.
Apart from the grave-robbing [I rather think that Ignotus’s wand was not buried with him but passed on], I completely agree with this theory. Also Pottermore assigned me with a rowan wand, and I remember feeling disappointed that I couldn’t relate to any character about that, so I can’t help but feel proud!
Do all three hallows come from thestrals? We know the elder wand does, but invisibility and “seeing death” are another two very strong connections to the thestral.
@@anirbanghosh1888 generally yes, but didn't Dumbledore make a comment about how Harry's invisibility cloak was unique and one-of-a-kind? Certainly something to ponder.
The only thing that could explain how dumbledore blocks grindelwald's avada kedavra is twin cores since it's the only exception we are ever told of and Crouch JR says it's unblockable
I was under the impression that it was blocked because Dumbledore raised his wand to defend someone he loved, his nephew. Edit: Nevermind, I was thinking of the beginning strike of the duel that broke the pact.
It's interesting to note that "Priori Incantatem'" isn't a special effect, it is a normal spell. It was used by Mr Diggory in Chapter 9 to determine if Harry's wand was used to conjure the Dark Mark.
yeahh.. that always bothered me so much. if that was possible.. why didn't they check sirius's wand to see wether or not he attacked wormtail and all those muggles.
@@ChrissiESommer Considering how 'justice' works in the HP universe, especially in Fantastic Beasts, it's not entirely surprising that nobody cared to check.
@Spanners Wrong. the spell (Prior Incantato), and the special effect caused (Priori Incantatum), are two different things with similar effects. The prior, shows the last spell cast (which can be obfuscated by the Deletrius spell, which is basically wiping the history of the wand). The latter, shows all spells cast by the wands in reverse order, regardless of any attempts at obfuscation.
i wonder what brother wands could accomplish if working together. if the wands are this reluctant to work against each other what would they do when working together?
I just spotted a problem. If he acquired the elder wand AFTER leaving Godric's Hollow then Prior Incantatem would not be a problem at all because it was not the wand used in the fight that killed Ariana. At 10:03 you state that Grindelwald seeks out the Elder wand after this interaction (in Godric's Hollow). This does not mean Dumbledore does not have the Elder Wand's brother, just that he would not fear the knowledge of who killed Ariana from fighting Grindelwald. ***EDIT*** As that1guyunderurbed pointed out, the thought is Dumbledor had the brother's wand when the fight happened. There is still a problem. Prior Incantatem shows the spells most recently cast in reverse order. That means The fight would last days as 30+ years of every spell Dumbledore cast ( he is a teacher) would show up before the spells from the fight where Ariana died. Even then only Avada Kadavra showed the spirits of the murdered. We have no idea which spell he could have cast but it would only show the spell. Not who it hit.
I think he meant grindelwald initially traveled to godrics hollow searching for it. It's entirely possibly that they found the wand and it rejected grindelwald so albus used it until their duel, which would've resulted in priori working and potentially telling them if it was his spell?
@@that1guyunderurbed I was incorrect but sill correct. As long as Dumbledor had the third brother's wand when he cast the spell, prior incantatem would work. There are still two main problems though. The wand would shows all spells cast from the most recent to the oldest. That means 40+ years of spells and he is a teacher who uses his wand all the time. The other problem is that it would only show the spell he used, unless he used Avada Cadavra in that fight...
I think you misunderstood it..... They want to say grindlewald and dumbeldore already go the third brother's wand and grindlewald was searching for the elder wand, and due to blood pact, the three way dual killed Ariana right? So Dumbledore thinks he killed Ariana literally and he was in possession of the third brother's wand. It doesn't matter weather Grindlewald had the elder wand or not.... But after taking elder wand they both do have brother wands and then it would regurgitate the spells and prove that Ariana was killed by dumbledore
The line about owners of Rowan wands was always interesting to me. My Pottermore wand was Elder. The only other member of my family, my cousin, who likes Harry Potter has a Rowan wand on Pottermore.
I believe Credence has the second brother's wand for the following reasons: 1.) It's powerful enough to help control Credence's obscurus. 2.) It'd be a show of faith gifting it to him not unlike Grindelwald previously gifting the Third Brother's wand to Dumbledore, a token to push him towards his side. 3.) If Grindelwald was able to find The First and Third Brothers' wands like you proposed, couldn't he logically be able to complete the set unless we're told otherwise?
I say no. Power of the Witch or Wizard has nothing to do with wand that has not chosen its master. Whatever wand and core that Grindelwald gave Credence will not work well because he was not chosen by that wand. Grindelwald was not chosen by the elder wand either. That is why they lose in duels. You don't need a wand to perform magic, but it does help channel the magic. Look to Chamber of Secrets about how Ron's wand that use to be Percy's does not work well for him. Ron's magic does not show itself until he gets a new wand from Ollivanders that chooses him.
@@smokinlouie9885 removing a wand against the previous owner's will is also a way in which you can conquer wands, maybe with the exception of some unicorn tail hair wands, and some Ash wands.
@@smokinlouie9885 Usually the power of a wizard or witch has nothing to do with the wand that chooses them save for the Elder Wand. It is the only wand that actually increases the power of the witch/wizard who wields it, we don't know by how much but it does
As much of a mess as these movies are, I don't want the last two canceled. They just need to figure out what they're doing and put the story together. It's not hard. Hopefully they still get made and they're a lot better. EDIT: Apparently if these movies fail, there's a better chance of a Cursed Child movie. We can't let these movies fail. Go, go, go!
We need the two last movies. Not for the movies sakes, but for SCB content. Cause let's be honest at this point. We watch FB so we're up to date on what J and Ben are talking about. hehe just kidding (?)
I wouldn’t mind if they canceled the fantastic beasts series and instead continued it as movies/an HBO Max show centered around Grindelwald and Dumbledore. Honestly, I don’t think it makes ton of sense for Newt or fantastic beasts to be the future of this conflict… especially now that Dumbledore isn’t bound by the blood pact.
this got me thinking, if Rita skeeter is right, and grindelwald "raised a white flag" could it be to deny Dumbledore of ever knowing who killed Arianna? could it be just one final cruel thing to deprive Dumbledore of?
Also, Remember the production team had to change the original Dumbledore wand design at first because JK said it looked too much like the Elder Wand and then everyone was like “what if the Elder wand had a twin?!” I really like this idea though! Really cool!
@ 0:35 you say the elder wand was apparently crafted by death itself. In book 7, Dumbledore debunks this..... "I think it more likely that the Peverell brothers were simply gifted, dangerous wizards who succeeded in creating those powerful objects. The story of them being Death’s own Hallows seems to me the sort of legend that might have sprung up around such creations."
So the Dumbledores and Potters were both descended from Ignotus? What would have happened to Ignotus's wand after Dumbledore won the Elder Wand? Also, I think you guys put way more thought into this franchise than Joanne does. I wish you had the rights to it instead!
The Potters and the Gaunts are the ones who are descended from the Peverells. Brother number 1 died before he got kids I think. Give Rowling her respect. She came up with everything in this franchise...everything
Yes I agree the boys do put too much into the franchise. But they also don't pay attention to everything in the world of the wizards J.K. created. Like this theory can easily be dismissed. Because we have seen magic streams link in combat without being brother wands. When 2 wizards of the same power fight. It's easy for them to connect the streams and redirect the spells. Look at Dumbledore v Voldemort in Order of the Phoenix. And McGonagall v Snape in The half blood prince. Each time we saw the direct attacks link. And they had to be clever with how they attacked. Which is why Snape lost to McGonagall. Because he underestimate her. And she knew how to attack without attack directly. Also the magic streams connected when Harry and Voldemort fought on the bridge in the final battle before Harry pushed the spell into the wand killing Voldemort. So theory dedunked. Also to note that many powerful wizards do have runes on their wands. To help them better hold the power channeled through the wand without exploding or overloading the wand. As Oliver has stated. The wand doesn't make the wizard. But the wizard makes the wand. It is a tool used to channel and harness the natural magic within ones self.
For Ariana to come out of Dumbledore's wand due to Priori Incatatem, they'd have to wait quite a while while whe wand regurgitates all of the surely many spells Dumbledore has cast after the day of Ariana's death
I am thinking that before this series is through we are going to have to cover the night that Grindelwald stole the Elder Wand from Gregorovich. There just seems to be an inconsistency n the rules of wands with a Wizard stealing a wand from another wizard and having it perform for him. I know you do not have to literally KILL the wands owner and Grindelwald definitely didn't Kill Gregorovich, but did he somehow defeat him in the view of the Elder Wand? "Haha, I stole your wand, I win!" Hopefully we get a bit more info about this ; perhaps that is what finally defeats Grindelwald, the same thing that defeated Voldemort in the end.
Gregorovitch was never the owner of the wand. Gregorovitch only was in possession of the wand. If Gellert had stunned Gregorovitch with his own wand, then maybe. Now at this time the true owner of the Elder wand is Tina Goldstein. Tina disarmed Gellert at the train station. Remember!
My theory is that the wand accepts the new master if he can keep it. Grindelwald stuns Gregorovich and flees without the wandmaker getting the Elder Wand back, ergo he can't take the wand back. Harry flees Malfoy Manor with Draco's wand without losing it to anyone, therefore that wand accepts him as the new master. That's why this doesn't happen in the DA sessions when they practice Expelliarmus. People are disarmed, but they get their wands back right after, so the wands keep their masters. The Elder Wand is unique because it "watches" its owner and when he loses his wand, it loses the Elder Wand too. My guess is that it either has an additional charm on it, so it can belong to the most powerful wizard even if hidden, or wands can have a mutual master and they "sense" when the master loses one, and he loses them all in an instance (unless the wand type dictates otherwise), and we just never saw it unfold.
Love when the ads pop up at just the perfect time. “Sometimes even the best laid plans need an escape plan.” When talking about Harry’s and Voldermort’s wands connecting.
You’ve convinced me! I put nothing past young Dumbledore, who it seems did anything for love, even grave robbing. He most definitely spent the rest of his life making up for his mistakes and becoming truly pure of soul. Always helping and protecting and keeping his thirst for power contained. Love this theory 🥰🥰
What you're ignoring is by the time of their final duel, there would have been more than 40 years worth of spells on Dumbledore's wand and just as many on the Elder wand. Between killing Lilly and Cedric, Voldemort hadn't used his wand. How likely would it be that Dumbledore and Grindelwald would hold the connection long enough to get all the way back to Ariana's death?
Ive seen a vid about Ollivanders opinion about woods for wands, and we can say that The Elder Wand that Harry had is really special to the core cuz its probably uses a god of death core.
It’s always nice to have a theory so good that you literally can’t help but smile as you’re led through the explanation as the pieces slide together perfectly.
Dumbledore cant fear priori incantatem... If he knows what happened to harry in the grave yard because of what happened with Grindelwald that means he learned about that when he fought him, but if he new about the effect beforehand from a textbook or something he knows that only recent spells are regurgitated , and years passed between arians death and his duel so he would have to stand there for hours for all the spells to rewind to the point in their youth when ariana died.
So you're saying the 13 years between Voldemort killing Harry's parents and the graveyard duel is considered recent magic? No, it's the most recent spells first. If they remained connected long enough, every single spell a wand cast would be regurgitated.
To a point that’s true, Priori Incantatem works by projecting the spells in reverse order regardless of how much time was spent between the usage of one person and another, and that’s essentially why Harry’s parent, who died 13 years ago, managed to show up so quickly; Voldemort’s wand hadn’t been used at all between the death of the Potters and Bertha Jorkins. But, if Dumbledore used the twin core wand as an everyday wand, then they would indeed probably stand there for hours for Ariana to appear
@@gira5455 But this _would_ explain the discrepancy here: if P.I. happened between them due to sibling wands, they both would have caught on to what was happening and understand the effect; I think they're clever enough for us to believe that. However, that would also give Dumbledore plenty of time to break the effect like Harry does vs. Voldemort *before* they get far enough back to reveal who killed Ariana. And Dumbledore seems pained enough by the possibility of guiltiness that he might avoid dueling Grindelwald just due to the possibility of him losing and being forced to find out the truth.
@@abydosianchulac2 I honestly believe Dumbledore might've also been blinded by guilt and fear of the fact itself, more than it being proven, so the reverse properties of the effect on their own might've been enough to scare him, and the duration and limits of it might've just slipped out of his mind
@@karlrovey sorry, should have been more clear, most recent spells are regurgitated first and they work backwards, Voldemorts wand remained unused untill Wormtail somehow got it, years of daily wand use passed between Ariana's death and their confrontation, so they would have to remain connected for a long time in order to rewind the spells to the point of her death.
This is something I've believed for a long time. In fact, I even took to calling Dumbledore's wand "The Younger wand" for this reason. I wonder if, like Elder & Rowan, there's a similar relationship between Yew & Holly? That would make sense.
yeah I mean calling it "the Elder wand" would suggest the possibility of there being "the Younger wand" also. and with Younger and Elder maybe even "the Middle wand" ? I mean if you found of the most powerful ways of making a wand why wouldn't you share it with your most trusted? you know incase one of you lost it, a safety to get them back.
Maybe when it talks about the twin quillins(idk how to spell it) it was foreshadowing the twin cores. The twin core which leads ultimately to Grindelwald’s demise both times. My mind is blown.
I always thought that Dumbledore's original wand was made of apple wood. The pottermore description fits pretty well but the more important reason is the parallel to the Christian tree of knowledge. Dumbledore would represent Eve who is tempted by a snake (Grindelwald) to do something evil and thus eventually causes great harm
I remember seeing concept art or a production model of Dumbledore’s wand from the 2nd fantastic beasts that wasn’t used. It looked like a midpoint between his wand in this movie and the elder wand, but the ended up changing because it looked too similar to the elder wand. Maybe it was because it made the connection too obvious, and they went back to the drawing board to add a bit more subtlety.
Is it possible that the “core-less” wand from secrets actually has a thestral hair core? Don’t know if newt tested it before saying it didn’t have a core or was just going on faith?
@@jonandbencarlin9588 and that it Snakewood the one brother that related to the snake guy Is it possible he was a parselmouth that pass the gift down his line so when the gaunt line met they bonded over speaking in parseltounge Also make sense why the wand isn’t working as it could be dormant till it awoken by another parselmouth.
Oooh update that works First brother wand match it self Second bother a wand that would only work for the ones he love his children And as stated in the video the third brother wand is for protection.
It is my theory that the location of the fight that matters. When Dumbledore was explaining to Newt and the others about Buthan, he explains that it is the origins of their most ancient magic ( or something along those lines) he then goes on to say that if you listen closely, the past reflects to you. I don't think that this spell was Prori Incantatum. But I think it is the spell of the blood pact. At the beginning of the movie, if you pay attention to the background, it is the same color as what we see at the end, and it also functions similarly. It's like Grinderwald's and Dumbledore's little pocket dimension where they can interact with each other and communicate, but it doesn't affect the real world. When Grindlewald attempts to kill Credence, Dumbledore and Aberforth both protect him, similar to the fight that killed Arianna. And as a result, Bhutan whispered what happened that day to: The blood pact. All of those emotions during that duel were funneled into the blood pact, resulting in the new spell, which I am calling Priori Absconditum, to burst out, allowing Grindlewald and Dumbledore to duel each other, whilst the blood pact's magic fades around them due to the sudden amount of 'betrayal' it sensed between Grindlewald and Dumbledore's past selves. Anyway, that's what I think happened lol
I wonder if Creedence will become Fawkes after dying. If he can speak Parselmouth and/or is a Gaunt, that might help explain why the first wand chose Voldemort.
Actually have a "Philosopher's stone" question or rather 2..: It just came to me today, but why didn't Voldemort tell Quirrel "Hey, that's Snape. He's one of mine! Work together." Did he already suspect Snape being Dumbledore's man or think he betrayed him? Otherwise, why did he deem it to risky to reveal himself (simply because of his weakend state..?)? Second question: At the very beginning of the book, when Harry receives his flood of letters, why do all the owls stick around in the first place? They don't receive payment after all for delivering school letters, wait for a reply or until the recipient has read the contents... Did Dumbledore put a spell on them? How did he know anyway that the letters weren't being read? Is there a charm on the letters much like todays messengers "double tick" to let him know they have been read? There must be some sort of charm since the address also changed when the Dursleys moved Harry to a bedroom or when they went away. Either I'm not seeing something or I could really use another insight on these topics^^ And I don't think it already came up in the ... idk exactly... 6 years or so I've been following your channel :D Oh, also actually regarding this video (sorry :D): If Dumbledore's original wand and Grindelwald's Elder wand (or maybe he didn't use it for some reason in the infamous duel?) really did share a connection and Grindelwald's regurgitates and Auriana doesn't pop up, that would have indisputably meant that either Dumbledore or his brother accidentally kill their sister. When Dumbledore drinks Voldemort's potion, he still doesn't know, so either the wands did not share a connection or they did and it was not Grindelwald who killed Auriana. It would be such a devastation to know it was definitely either himself or his brother - and being Dumbledore, he kept it all to himself and never shared this knowledge with Aberforth. It would put in a whole new layer to the guilt that had been eating him up ever since that tragedy. - Oh, but for that to even have happened, Grindelwald would have had to have used his own original wand, since the 3-way duel took place before he stole the Elder wand. Also, he has killed way too many with the Elder wand for Auriana to even pop up after all these years. I really didn't think this one through before editing my comment :D It is a complicated matter with many different layers to consider after all. Also, because we know what happened after...
Fun video! Impossible theory. One glaring issue is this: Grindelwald stole the Elder Wand *after* the duel that killed Ariana. Even if this is true (which it can't be) and the Elder Wand was twins with Dumbledore's wand, the Elder Wand did not fight in that three way duel. Plus it would have to go through 50ish years of spells to even get to that point if it was. They'd be there all day! It's more likely that Dumbledore fear knowing the truth because it would destroy him utterly. Grindelwald wouldn't have cared (or would he? Since Gellert still loves Albus and possibly even his sister o.O) if he killed her, where Dumbledore would. He could have feared knowing this since he would then have done something we (as far as we know) had never done: take a life. The man who preached love and reconciliation would then himself be no better at his core than the man who lusted for power and control!
If we assume Dumbldore’s wand is the 3rd brothers wand and that they found that wand during the summer in Godric’s Hollow it’s very possible he used in the duel that killed Ariana. Plus he was worried that he would find that HE killed her, which I take to mean he was more worried she would come out of his wand.
@@aceofhearts1698 that's a good point - I was going to comment that Grindelwald didn't have the Elder Wand when Ariana died, but if Dumbledore's worried about her appearing from his wand, it's a moot point.
This was literally jaw dropping. From a very very long time follower and dedicated fan of yours this was seriously excellence. You sank the hook swung for the fences stacked your facts flourished your examples lead the audience to the only possible conclusion stuck the landing hard and then did the whole thing over again with the second half reveal. Bravo.
I really love this theory, but the only issue I could see is that when the wands start regurgitating spells they start with the most recent. Dumbledore has presumably used hundreds of spells since his sisters death, so unless it spits up literally every spell he’s done I don’t think it’d go back that far
No to the Elder wand having a twin. Death crafted only 1 wand. The Twin Asian unicorn chooses Albus because of his pure heart. The Elder wand did not choose Grindelwald. Gellert stole the wand from Gregorovitch was not beat in a duel. Gregorovitch was also not the owner of the wand. Gregorovitch was in possession, but the Gregorovitch had not been chosen by the wand. If there is a 5th Fantastic Beast movie. Albus will beat Gellert Grindelwald in the famous duel and become the owner. The wand will choose Albus, and that we know. We know that Grindelwald is not the owner because Tina Goldstein was able to disarm Grindelwald in the first movie. Tina Goldstein has the allegiance of the Elder wand at this time of the story. The wand chooses the wizard. Grindelwald tried to tell Tom Riddle this in the prison cell at Nurmengard Castle before he was killed. Albus may have a powerful wand, or is it Albus is a better wizard because of his pure heart! Your theories are good though. If you want to know more? Reread the UK first editions again and you will see I maybe on the right track.
The wand will still fond to the original owner of the wand, that mean Grindelwald still can master the elder wand . Though Grindelwald is not the maker of the elder wand or the original owner of the wand , the elder wand may have some connection between Grindelwald cause Grindelwald got the elder after he left dumbledore , that mean he possesed the elder nearly for 20 years or more , a connection of 20 years will not be easily waiver . However ,what we deducted do not count , what jk rowling said only count since she is the author of the wizarding world
What if the actual twin to the Elder Wand is that snake wand that he gave to the Muggle? And Dumbledore is just hiding it in plain sight until he needs it.
Only 2:08 in but I feel like Antioch would kill the thestral (the one that gave the hair for the Deathstick) so that he could be the only one who holds the immense power, you guys may address this.
By the same logic, the second brother's wand would've been a powerful healer's wand, able to rescue people from the clutches of death from incurable ills and lethal magical wounds, and when he failed to save his loved one with it, he made the stone of the gaunts... the wand never made it to voldemort because he's the opposite of a healer, and the wand itself probably chose to be inherited by disciples of antioch the healer rather than the non-healer faimly line
Or maybe the potters were healers in the past... the last sort-of healer-y one was harry's granpa, didn't he invent an anti-baldness potion or something?
Nah I confused myself there, I was talking about the gaunts, and it was harry's grandpa that invented a potion but it was for managing hermione's hair for the yule ball
I'm still on the fence with this theory but I can see the points being made. With Priori Incantatum I always wondered how it may show spells that don't have such tangible physical implications like murder and destruction. What if the last spell was accio? Would it show what was summoned? Do cleaning or vanishing spells just show what was cleaned or vanished? What if it is the witness and caster for an unbreakable vow? What if it was the cushioning charm placed on brooms? So many questions surrounding that alone to me.
Yes but we know that dumbledore even after dying still didn’t know whether he killed Arianna which means that priori incantartum either did not occur or arianna did not appear like with Harry and Voldemort
1:34 I love how you presenting this as a completely "You'll know what I'm talking about..." - Yes I do, alas not all who hasn't read all the books and seen all the movies. Welp they who hasn't should do that before ending up here. The casual talking about it is golden
What if the 2nd brother's wand also used the same thestral core? Would there be triplet cores? And how strong would they be if they were working together?
If this is the way they head it makes the Secrets of Dumbledore make so much sense. Everyone thinks its just nonsense non important to the story but this theory kinda makes you understand the whole point in this movie.
Just like how dumbledores wand is unknown so is aberforth's and as we see in the ending of secrets of dumbledore aberforth and dumbledore their wands "connect" to block the killing curse cast by grindlewalt. and as we know twin wands when used together multiply their strengths ten fold so i like to think the 2nd brother's wand is a twin to dumbledores wand and thus the wand aberforth uses
All wands are usually made more than once, true the older brother took the elder wand but there might have been a prototype of sorts, also the 3 brothers had wands, they all could have been made by the same person, maybe a parent? Obviously different woods but the same core from the same thestral. The family pet to which all the brothers were fond of. If hogwarts used thestrals than it stands to reason there was a time they were accepted.
HonestlyI do believe Dumbledore's wand could be Ignotus' wand. because maybe I am bugging right now, but I sommehow rememberHarry's cloak not being demiguise fur but to be speculated to be thestral hair. So it would sound like the three brothers had a bony horse friend, Maybe "Death"? Maybe They met the thestral on that lonely road and they got the materials they needed from it? In that case the brother wand could belong to either Cadmus or Ignotus. However I am not sold on one thing: the wood type: I believe it IS a rowan wand and why Gellert disregarded it. "Sorry pal, wrong wood and doesn't even work. Albus? you wanna give it a spin?" "Works better than my old man's" (and yes i believe that is why Dumbledore took it. the Dumbledores at the time were strapped for cash. I do not think Albus actually had his own wand. They after all had no breadwinner in the family with his dad in azkaban and Kendra taking care of Ariana. And if it is Rowan it might at least work better than his dad's. remember every wizard can work with every wand, but they get better results with the wand that chose them. So Dumbledore effectively got the best of his time with the handbreak pulled up and in reverse gear.)
If you end up remembering where you heard about the thestral hair theory to explain the invisibility cloak, I'd be very interested! Also, for the resurrection stone, maybe thestral bezoars are a thing haha
Actually, olivander might have stolen the third brothers wand, he had a deal with dumbledore, how did he get 2 phoenix feathers? Also he needed the skill to use them properly, wand makers were notorious for copying notable successfully versions
The brothers making the hallows makes more sense. As Mad Eye could see through Harry's cloak but death couldn't? Even though he supposedly made it? That never tracked. I subscribe to the theory the gifted Peverell brothers created then. Absolutely.
I always wondered if them "meeting death" was more meant to be a metaphor- perhaps they all had a near death experience, or their own personal tragedies and created the Hallows in response to that. You could then see how the story would get twisted and reinterpreted via word of mouth.
so what about when the elder wand and voldys wand connect in order of the pheonix? i think its just how wands fight, and i think the "unblockable" thing doesnt apply to ultra powerful wizards like dumbledore. harry's/dracos wand also connects to the elder wand in deathly hallows..
Theory. What if all three brothers used the the same Thestrals core..? Like, what if that was a pact they all had with eachother, to try and prevent one another from harming. Three way twin core anyone?😂
If at least one of the other Peveral brothers made a wand using a Thestral core, it would explain how the Elder wand got it's name. It was the ELDER'S wand (since the eldest of the brothers made it)
Can I just say as a mental health student in school, I love that your channel promotes betterhelp and promotes mental health awareness (esp since mental health awareness month is coming up).
At this point I'm completely convinced you guys are better writers than JK Rowling because she made it clear in this last film that she doesn't really think these films through that much
With the Priori Incantatem, one of them could be able to see the ghost of Ariana, like Harry seeing the "ghosts" of Cedric and his parents in the graveyard. In the movie, Dumbledore don't see any ghost, so .... he might be the one who killed Ariana?
Wand lore has always been one of the aspects of Harry Potter that is difficult to make sense of. While the properties of different woods and cores are fascinating to me, the ideas of wands choosing their users and loyalty changing have always seemed paradoxical, as if wands were mere flaky lovers who initially choose a partner then renege in favor of the Gigachad who cast a Disarming Charm. I no longer believe as much forethought went into the lore as I once thought, which is a shame because it was a huge part of the resolution of the books and is also shaping up to be important here in Fantastic Beasts. Big fan of the allusion to rowan wands, but as a fan of "Dumbledore the Gray" rather than "Dumbledore the Paragon" and card-carrying member of "the Qilin should have kneeled to Jacob society" I hope there's another explanation.
It's worth noting that it is primarily the Elder Wand that changes loyalty so frequently. The flaky lover, as you put it :D While Ollivander does mention that it's possible to "win" wands from others, this is clearly not a super common occurrence, as there are plenty of instances of someone being disarmed, and then their wand works just fine when they get it back later down the line. A lot of people get disarmed during the confrontation in the Shrieking Shack during book 3, for instance. Another possibility would be that the average wand accepts both the new "winner" AND the original owner as both being worthy to wield it, which would solve both problems handily, but feels like it would lead to other problems that just coincidentally never come up in the books. Hard to know, and I agree that it feels like it may not have been perfectly fleshed out before hitting the shelves.
This may seem like a little loaded but I'm curious.... How would the Peverell brothers "seen Death" to begin with? Clearly all three could see thestrals, which means something had to happen for these brothers to witness a traumatic event! What event could that be?! Let me ask, where are their parents??? Who were they? What were their names? What happened to them? Where were the extended relatives? Did Antioch, Cadmus, and Ignotus get abandoned or left behind? And, how?? Because that might explain why the Hallows came to be...
A small question: In Goblet of Fire one can use Priori Incantatem to investigate a wand. If he wants to know who casted the Arianna killing spell he can just investigate with it is own wand
Theory for the end. Grindelwald will just give up at the end of the big duel either due to his love for Dumbledore or for some other reason based on their interactions. It would make for a really cool call-out to the Rita Skeeter writeup about Dumbledore from book 7 as well as display Dumbledore's desire and ability to do everything he can to not cause death or pain, even to his enemies. Boom.
I’ve always been struck by the fact that, when you first hear Dumbledore “defeats” grindelwald, you assume it means kill as that was always the aim with defeating Voldemort! Yet he doesn’t£
I say that the 2nd brother would have wanted to make his own kind of wand. So I think that he would have had a wand that was made out of a different wood that wouldn't copy his younger brothers or his older brothers wands. So I think that Salazar Slytherin's wand is the middle brothers wand and it was made from snake wood. We also know that this wand was passed down through the generations and that this is one that is planted at ilvermorny school of witchcraft and wizardry.
Another point is poorer wizards like Ron were given second hand wands. Some wands became family heirlooms, even more as trophies by the ministry of magic as proof of their owners demise. Obviously some were buried with their owners out of respect. Very possible someone robbed a grave, not necessarily dumbledore. We know the elder wand was stolen in one of Harry's visions.
1:14 So, that’s actually a misunderstanding in the movies. In the books, Priori Incantatem is actually a golden light beam connecting the two Wanda and then forming a dome around them. The movies didn’t show this and then for some reason the movies thought it’d be a good idea to show every important duel in the series having a connecting wand moment. But those aren’t actually Priori Incantatem.
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What do you think... did they rob a grave?
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Yes and Your videos are amazing
Another theory: so the third brother gave his cloak as an heirloom in his family (likely his oldest son), why not give the wand to his second?
The onky issue with this is that rowling and pottermore have stated that dumbledores original wand was phoenox core
sometimes your theories are better than what actually gets put in these movies.
Sometimes?
Often
@@nrock49 dude! It is a Harry Potter themed video. I gave anybody perfect opportunity to answer "always" and you just spelled out "often"? 😔
Not gonna lie but I kinda think it is lame if this plot armor comes up again , are all the villains on Harry Potter world gonna fall by wand technicalities?
In this case, that's not saying much.
Did Harry's wand choose him because of who Harry was and would become, or did Harry's wand choose him because of the piece of Voldemort's soul that was within Harry?
Because of the piece of Voldemort's soul that was within Harry. Tom Riddle marked him as his equal. The sister wand chooses him because of this fact.
Fate brought Harry to the wand, Voldermort brought Harry to the wand & the wand chose Harry - the good old J.K trifecta
it was in the books, the wand felt it's brother in harry
This was partly Harry..and partly prophecy, but largely this is Fawkes.
A little of both. His wand core and wood are uniquely suited for his personality, but ANY phoenix feather core + Holly wood wand would choose him. The brother wand to Voldemort's chose Harry because of that piece of Voldemort's soul in Harry, marking him as Voldemort's equal.
I wish these guys were writers for the movies. These theories end up being cooler than a lot of the stuff from the last two films.
That's exactly what I was thinking! The stories and theories they think are wayyy better and make way more sense than those movies!
Its MY theory, i made it over a week ago on a different video of theres "I have to disagree about the dumbledore blood protecting Credence from the blood pact, if you remember, Grindewald slapped Credence in the first film. And he held ulterior motives again Credence, which we see in the beginning of this movie that if dumbeldore even thought of directly going against grindewald, the blood pact would harm him. Grindewald was directly wanting to use and harm credence and came at him physically repeatedly thoughout the movies to intimidate and make him submit, a throw back to the woman who raised him and hurt him from the first film.
That being said, idk if you actually saw the movie, but Dumbledore says the reason it broke is because Grindewald sought to kill, and Dumbeldore sought to protect, and i think much like how every time Harry went against Voldemort and harry used a disabling spell while voldy shot a killing spell, and harry was able to push back, i think this has less to do with the intentions on the wizards, and more so the intentions of the wands. Like how Harry and voldy's wands were twins and didnt want to destroy each other, regardless what the wizards wanted, the wands themselves chose to support the one that wont kill the owner of the twin wand. I believe its likely Dumbledore and Grindewald had twin cores, even though they havent spoken on the wands yet. Their small battle is the ONLY time outside of voldy and harry that we see spells connect the way they did, and it would also make sense why dumbledore knew EXACTLY what harry was talking about when he said the wands connected. I believe its likely they found out as teens what happened when they fought each other, which likely is what pushed them to make a blood pact, as well as their shared goals at the time."
I've always thought that. They should team up with JK. She should write the draft and they should elaborate.
This review is sooo mind blowing
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The only problem I have with the “Dumbledore is scared of seeing Ariana if Priori Incantatum happens” is that… would Dumbledore not had casted thousands of spells since his 3 way duel with Grindelwald and his brother? What are the chances Ariana would even be regurgitated?
I am thinking the same as you on this. Like they would have to hold it for quite sometime. I believe magic exhaustion would kick in before the wand got back that far on the spells casted. Especially since Dumbledore was a hands on DADA teacher.
Like to become that powerful you need two things. A lot of practice. Plus studying a lot. Hence why the Auroras classes are that both of dueling and heavy studying.
But wasn't Ariana was the only person Dumbledore (might have) killed? So Ariana would appear, just like the people Voldermort had recently killed. Not because it happened recently, but because she was the only one. The film made it seem like only significant spells would appear, for example you wouldn't see Dumbledore cast Lumos in Priori Incantatum.
@@1616jaime The way Priori Incantatem is explaining is that it causes echoes of the most recent spells of the losing wizard to regurgitate from their wand. That means all spells. Not just the killing curse
@@michaelp7250 Yes I know. But for example, in The Goblet of Fire movie, when it happened in the graveyard, you just saw dead people. Didn't Voldermort use Crucio on Harry a couple of times after he forced him to bow before their dual? We did not see that spell regurgitated and I am not sure how they would portray that anyway. Would we just see red sparks flying around or an image of Harry being tortured?
I was thinking the same thing! But in the scene from Harry and Voldemort's duel from The Goblet of Fire we see Harry's parents come out of Voldemort's wand along with Cedric, which confused me since Voldemort killed them literally 15 years prior but priori incantatum is only supposed to regurgitate recent spells.
Actually, I was thinking that maybe Albus and Aberforth wands could have twin cores. **Spoilers** That's why they were able to deflect Grindelwald's killing curse against Credence.
and twin cores when used against a comum enemy increase each other's power ten fold, like the boot Brothers in the story about the american school I don't know how to wirte the name
@@joaocisne556 exactly
this is a great theory since Aberforth his wand is ALSO unknown so that might be the 2nd brother his wand.
@@ebeldekoning5331 I think Salazar's might be the second brother's. But maybe you're right.
Not gonna lie but I kinda think it is lame if this plot armor comes up again , are all the villains on Harry Potter world gonna fall by wand technicalities?
Maybe all the Hallows are made from Thestrals and thats why its said they met Death, the stone does make you able to see the dead, the wand changes loyalty once the owners dead, somewhat like not being able to see the dead and the cloak shields you from the eyes of the living
Doesn't the wand change if you simply expelliamus the wand of the owner out of his hand ?
@@Nicros21 the wand changes hands even if you quite literally fist fight the owner, at least if we are to believe that the wand came over to Harry after Harry defeated Draco
Except thestral do none of the above for you you just can't see them unless you witness a death now that being said according to the tales of Beatle the bard death snapped a twig from a tree to make the elder wand picked up a rock from the stream to make the resurrection stone and cut a piece of his own invisibility cloak to make ignotus peverals cloak Wich also shielded him from the eyes of death himself
Why is elder a rare wand wood? Elder trees are notoriously hard to get rid of and extremely common everywhere in c climates.
It’s not just about how available the wood is, it’s also how the wood react to magic, it’s extremely rare that a witch or wizard will be able to use the elder wood. “The wand chooses the wizard” so there could be 100 elder wood wands but none of them would pick a wizard worthy of using them
@@laurenhk19 so it's not a rare wand wood, wands made with it are rare
It's not that Elder trees are rare it is that wands made from Elder trees are rare due to the wood being very complex in magical properties
@@AdriaanZwemer My understanding was that not all trees of a species are magical enough to be made into wands. Bowtruckkes only live in trees magical enough to be used for wands for example.
So while it my be a common tree, Wand quality wood of that species can still be rare.
@@carpevinum8645 I was going to make the same reply. This is canon from the books.
SCB, we need a video on how Grindelwald used a variation of Vulnera Sanentur to revive the Qilin when it was implied that Snape created Vulnera Sanentur himself as a countercurse to his own Sectumsempra.
Exactly. When watching the movie I was baffled because I also thought Snape had invented Vulnera Sanentur as healing/countercurse. But the FB movies don't seem to always follow HP canon (McGonnall's presence, the way portkeys work, apparating in Hogwarts,...).
Maybe the words itself weren't Snape's invention since the word mean "wounds are being healed" (Latin).
--> The intent and/or power of Vulnera Sanentur might be what made it Snape's invention. Grindelwald seems to manipulate the water for a temporary healing illusion (on a corpse), while Snape can use it without the help of water and it is a permanent heal (to prevent death).
If the movie truly implies Vulnera Sanentur was indeed a known (albeit) advanced spell, it would -in my opinion- take away credit of Snape's ingenuity of making both a signature curse AND countercurse.
@@musicsperfume the Apparating in Hogwarts thing might be an aspect that was only installed after the FB films
I think it's an error of adaptation. The book never specified the counter-curse for Sectumsempra, it only says Snape mutters an incantation. The specific words are only said in the movie. That's what it refers when Grindelwald uses it.
Or, in the universe of the movies, maybe Snape only invented the curse and didn't care how to heal its effects (in his teens, it wouldn't have been out of character for him), he merely knows it from experience or logic.
Why would Dumbledore's or Grindlewald's wands regurgitate the spell that killed Arianna when that was so *so* many years ago? Voldemort's only brought back Lilly and James because Voldemort's wand hadn't been used since that night 14 years prior... They'd have to go back through how many years/decades of spells first.
Well, I don't think Dumbledore has killed anyone else... so, I don't think he was particularly worried about Grindelwald's being regurgitated, but his own.
@@Adrian-Maxwell it regurgitate the spells not specifically souls
@@Adrian-Maxwell It regurgitates all spells, not just murderous ones. Every single spell for years would have to come out before either of them got back to that fight.
@@Adrian-Maxwell but priori incantatum is not only about killing, is any spell the wand preformed, like how harry wand performed the dark mark
It would be a volcano of spells all at once
I attributed this connection between the two wands to the blood pact that was in the process of being broken. The red color matched with the inside of the amulet that was attached to dumbledores manifestation of the bloodpact...
I agree - blood magic is very powerful and the blood pact vial shows that Dumbledore's blood and Grindelwald's became one. Therefore a piece of Dumbledore lived in Grindelwald while a piece of Grindelwald lived in Dumbledore. Albus, Aberforth and now we know Aurelius aka Credence share the same blood. Therefore just like we learnt through the Lilly, Petunia, Harry link they have the same level of protection. I also suspect that when Ariana died in the three way duel she died partly because of her obscurus and it is possible that she gave her life to save Albus and Aberforth but because of the blood pact, and the fact that Grindelwald now shared their same blood the protection went on him too.
Yeah it seems pretty obvious that scene was about the locket. The brothers aren't really doing a good job with this movie yet.
I think you are right. It’s the blood pact. For it, Dumbledore couldn’t fight Grandawald.
Agree
Apart from the grave-robbing [I rather think that Ignotus’s wand was not buried with him but passed on], I completely agree with this theory. Also Pottermore assigned me with a rowan wand, and I remember feeling disappointed that I couldn’t relate to any character about that, so I can’t help but feel proud!
I was assigned an elder wand.
Do all three hallows come from thestrals? We know the elder wand does, but invisibility and “seeing death” are another two very strong connections to the thestral.
Invisibility cloaks are generally made from Demiguise fur, so idk
@@anirbanghosh1888 generally yes, but didn't Dumbledore make a comment about how Harry's invisibility cloak was unique and one-of-a-kind? Certainly something to ponder.
@@Cameraman407 yup thats true, Harry's cloak didnt lose its powers for generations whereas generally invisibility cloaks quickly lose their power
Thestral leather for the invisibility cloak?
@@Mcmatthew99 so whoever has seen someone die can see the cloak?
The only thing that could explain how dumbledore blocks grindelwald's avada kedavra is twin cores since it's the only exception we are ever told of and Crouch JR says it's unblockable
Avada Kedvra is blocked in OOTP by Dumbledore with Expeliarmus or Stupfy... it IS blockable when another spell hits AK...
@@gosnfrenki that only happens in the movie, in the book he blocks it with statues and his phoenix since it can't be blocked by another spell
But they never say In the books that Grindelwald ever used avada kedavra. Only that it was an epic duel.
I was under the impression that it was blocked because Dumbledore raised his wand to defend someone he loved, his nephew.
Edit: Nevermind, I was thinking of the beginning strike of the duel that broke the pact.
I wouldn't put too much weight in what the TERF says, mostly because he's constantly changing explanations for things and storyline points
It's interesting to note that "Priori Incantatem'" isn't a special effect, it is a normal spell. It was used by Mr Diggory in Chapter 9 to determine if Harry's wand was used to conjure the Dark Mark.
yeahh.. that always bothered me so much. if that was possible.. why didn't they check sirius's wand to see wether or not he attacked wormtail and all those muggles.
@@ChrissiESommer because most wizards don’t use logic… 1st book is where it’s said…
@@ChrissiESommer Considering how 'justice' works in the HP universe, especially in Fantastic Beasts, it's not entirely surprising that nobody cared to check.
@@ChrissiESommer they could’ve just gave him truth serum as well but it’s stated many times wizard logic isn’t great
@Spanners Wrong. the spell (Prior Incantato), and the special effect caused (Priori Incantatum), are two different things with similar effects. The prior, shows the last spell cast (which can be obfuscated by the Deletrius spell, which is basically wiping the history of the wand). The latter, shows all spells cast by the wands in reverse order, regardless of any attempts at obfuscation.
i wonder what brother wands could accomplish if working together. if the wands are this reluctant to work against each other what would they do when working together?
Wands with same core used for same purpose have their power increased 10 fold. It is described in story about ilvermory school in US
@@Raziel132 where did you read that.
@@michaelschafer1026 It was story about ilvermory school. Brothers shared core of same serpent and used wands to fight of their aunt.
I just spotted a problem. If he acquired the elder wand AFTER leaving Godric's Hollow then Prior Incantatem would not be a problem at all because it was not the wand used in the fight that killed Ariana. At 10:03 you state that Grindelwald seeks out the Elder wand after this interaction (in Godric's Hollow). This does not mean Dumbledore does not have the Elder Wand's brother, just that he would not fear the knowledge of who killed Ariana from fighting Grindelwald.
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As that1guyunderurbed pointed out, the thought is Dumbledor had the brother's wand when the fight happened. There is still a problem. Prior Incantatem shows the spells most recently cast in reverse order. That means The fight would last days as 30+ years of every spell Dumbledore cast ( he is a teacher) would show up before the spells from the fight where Ariana died. Even then only Avada Kadavra showed the spirits of the murdered. We have no idea which spell he could have cast but it would only show the spell. Not who it hit.
I think he meant grindelwald initially traveled to godrics hollow searching for it. It's entirely possibly that they found the wand and it rejected grindelwald so albus used it until their duel, which would've resulted in priori working and potentially telling them if it was his spell?
@@that1guyunderurbed I was incorrect but sill correct. As long as Dumbledor had the third brother's wand when he cast the spell, prior incantatem would work. There are still two main problems though. The wand would shows all spells cast from the most recent to the oldest. That means 40+ years of spells and he is a teacher who uses his wand all the time.
The other problem is that it would only show the spell he used, unless he used Avada Cadavra in that fight...
I mean only if dumbledoor only cast 5 spells since then.
@@paragon_pa I agree, it's a bit of a stretch. I'm more of a fan of grindelwald playing mind games with dumbledore.
I think you misunderstood it..... They want to say grindlewald and dumbeldore already go the third brother's wand and grindlewald was searching for the elder wand, and due to blood pact, the three way dual killed Ariana right? So Dumbledore thinks he killed Ariana literally and he was in possession of the third brother's wand. It doesn't matter weather Grindlewald had the elder wand or not.... But after taking elder wand they both do have brother wands and then it would regurgitate the spells and prove that Ariana was killed by dumbledore
That Loldemort clip gets me every. dang. time. EVERY TIME. 😂
The line about owners of Rowan wands was always interesting to me. My Pottermore wand was Elder. The only other member of my family, my cousin, who likes Harry Potter has a Rowan wand on Pottermore.
"Wonder if he had...any.. important... descendants"
*Voldemort's laugh*
"Oh yeah!..... HIM!"
That one was good lol🤣🤣🤣
I believe Credence has the second brother's wand for the following reasons:
1.) It's powerful enough to help control Credence's obscurus.
2.) It'd be a show of faith gifting it to him not unlike Grindelwald previously gifting the Third Brother's wand to Dumbledore, a token to push him towards his side.
3.) If Grindelwald was able to find The First and Third Brothers' wands like you proposed, couldn't he logically be able to complete the set unless we're told otherwise?
I say no. Power of the Witch or Wizard has nothing to do with wand that has not chosen its master. Whatever wand and core that Grindelwald gave Credence will not work well because he was not chosen by that wand. Grindelwald was not chosen by the elder wand either. That is why they lose in duels. You don't need a wand to perform magic, but it does help channel the magic. Look to Chamber of Secrets about how Ron's wand that use to be Percy's does not work well for him. Ron's magic does not show itself until he gets a new wand from Ollivanders that chooses him.
@@smokinlouie9885 removing a wand against the previous owner's will is also a way in which you can conquer wands, maybe with the exception of some unicorn tail hair wands, and some Ash wands.
@@smokinlouie9885 Usually the power of a wizard or witch has nothing to do with the wand that chooses them save for the Elder Wand. It is the only wand that actually increases the power of the witch/wizard who wields it, we don't know by how much but it does
@@smokinlouie9885 Except Grindelwald was considered to be the owner of the Elder Wand, otherwise the chain of succession doesn't lead to Harry.
As much of a mess as these movies are, I don't want the last two canceled. They just need to figure out what they're doing and put the story together. It's not hard. Hopefully they still get made and they're a lot better.
EDIT: Apparently if these movies fail, there's a better chance of a Cursed Child movie. We can't let these movies fail. Go, go, go!
And they really need to get better/more creative screenwriters
It's not hard😂 I've never made a movie but I'm pretty sure it's hard lol but I also agree they gotta fix something for sure
@@CARLHPMA David Yates has now made seven HP movies. He has to know what he's doing.
We need the two last movies. Not for the movies sakes, but for SCB content. Cause let's be honest at this point. We watch FB so we're up to date on what J and Ben are talking about. hehe just kidding (?)
I wouldn’t mind if they canceled the fantastic beasts series and instead continued it as movies/an HBO Max show centered around Grindelwald and Dumbledore. Honestly, I don’t think it makes ton of sense for Newt or fantastic beasts to be the future of this conflict… especially now that Dumbledore isn’t bound by the blood pact.
Its sounds like to me the third brothers/ Harry’s cloak could have thersal tail hairs woven into itself
this got me thinking, if Rita skeeter is right, and grindelwald "raised a white flag" could it be to deny Dumbledore of ever knowing who killed Arianna? could it be just one final cruel thing to deprive Dumbledore of?
Yes
I can't see Grindelwald just giving up his life and power and freedom just to mess with his old boyfriend
Also, Remember the production team had to change the original Dumbledore wand design at first because JK said it looked too much like the Elder Wand and then everyone was like “what if the Elder wand had a twin?!” I really like this idea though! Really cool!
Okay, this has been one of your best theories so far! Everything makes sense!! Well done, that was impressive!
Have you watched any other videos of them or is it your first one?
@@bhavyagarg1264 I've been following the channel for a while now. I really liked the Credence/Ariana theory too 😊
I got legitimate chills when you made the point about dumbledores worst fear coming true. About finding out which of them killed Ariana
@ 0:35 you say the elder wand was apparently crafted by death itself. In book 7, Dumbledore debunks this..... "I think it more likely that the Peverell brothers were simply gifted, dangerous wizards who succeeded in creating those powerful objects. The story of them being Death’s own Hallows seems to me the sort of legend that might have sprung up around such creations."
So the Dumbledores and Potters were both descended from Ignotus? What would have happened to Ignotus's wand after Dumbledore won the Elder Wand? Also, I think you guys put way more thought into this franchise than Joanne does. I wish you had the rights to it instead!
These were my questions, too!
um the Dumbledors weren't descended from Ignotus. This theory states that Dumbledor and Grindelwald grave robbed Ignotus for his wand
The Potters and the Gaunts are the ones who are descended from the Peverells. Brother number 1 died before he got kids I think. Give Rowling her respect. She came up with everything in this franchise...everything
Yes I agree the boys do put too much into the franchise. But they also don't pay attention to everything in the world of the wizards J.K. created. Like this theory can easily be dismissed. Because we have seen magic streams link in combat without being brother wands. When 2 wizards of the same power fight. It's easy for them to connect the streams and redirect the spells. Look at Dumbledore v Voldemort in Order of the Phoenix. And McGonagall v Snape in The half blood prince. Each time we saw the direct attacks link. And they had to be clever with how they attacked. Which is why Snape lost to McGonagall. Because he underestimate her. And she knew how to attack without attack directly. Also the magic streams connected when Harry and Voldemort fought on the bridge in the final battle before Harry pushed the spell into the wand killing Voldemort. So theory dedunked.
Also to note that many powerful wizards do have runes on their wands. To help them better hold the power channeled through the wand without exploding or overloading the wand.
As Oliver has stated. The wand doesn't make the wizard. But the wizard makes the wand. It is a tool used to channel and harness the natural magic within ones self.
@@calltomythos4961 that only happens in the movies. We are talking about the books
For Ariana to come out of Dumbledore's wand due to Priori Incatatem, they'd have to wait quite a while while whe wand regurgitates all of the surely many spells Dumbledore has cast after the day of Ariana's death
I definitely agree that Dumbledore's FB wand is made of Rowan wood.
0:40 “Ya Wanna buy some Death Sticks?”
I am thinking that before this series is through we are going to have to cover the night that Grindelwald stole the Elder Wand from Gregorovich. There just seems to be an inconsistency n the rules of wands with a Wizard stealing a wand from another wizard and having it perform for him. I know you do not have to literally KILL the wands owner and Grindelwald definitely didn't Kill Gregorovich, but did he somehow defeat him in the view of the Elder Wand? "Haha, I stole your wand, I win!" Hopefully we get a bit more info about this ; perhaps that is what finally defeats Grindelwald, the same thing that defeated Voldemort in the end.
Harry stole a wand that wasn't the Elder Wand and wasn't in view of the Elder Wand from Draco and became the master of the Elder Wand
@@druid_zephyrus
Actually Harry took the wand from Draco by just D-Boing it from him…
Gregorovitch was never the owner of the wand. Gregorovitch only was in possession of the wand. If Gellert had stunned Gregorovitch with his own wand, then maybe. Now at this time the true owner of the Elder wand is Tina Goldstein. Tina disarmed Gellert at the train station. Remember!
My theory is that the wand accepts the new master if he can keep it. Grindelwald stuns Gregorovich and flees without the wandmaker getting the Elder Wand back, ergo he can't take the wand back. Harry flees Malfoy Manor with Draco's wand without losing it to anyone, therefore that wand accepts him as the new master. That's why this doesn't happen in the DA sessions when they practice Expelliarmus. People are disarmed, but they get their wands back right after, so the wands keep their masters. The Elder Wand is unique because it "watches" its owner and when he loses his wand, it loses the Elder Wand too. My guess is that it either has an additional charm on it, so it can belong to the most powerful wizard even if hidden, or wands can have a mutual master and they "sense" when the master loses one, and he loses them all in an instance (unless the wand type dictates otherwise), and we just never saw it unfold.
@@genohall2235 yeah, that's basically what I said.
Love when the ads pop up at just the perfect time. “Sometimes even the best laid plans need an escape plan.” When talking about Harry’s and Voldermort’s wands connecting.
You’ve convinced me! I put nothing past young Dumbledore, who it seems did anything for love, even grave robbing. He most definitely spent the rest of his life making up for his mistakes and becoming truly pure of soul. Always helping and protecting and keeping his thirst for power contained. Love this theory 🥰🥰
What you're ignoring is by the time of their final duel, there would have been more than 40 years worth of spells on Dumbledore's wand and just as many on the Elder wand. Between killing Lilly and Cedric, Voldemort hadn't used his wand. How likely would it be that Dumbledore and Grindelwald would hold the connection long enough to get all the way back to Ariana's death?
I think at this point we can all agree that the canon version of the Elder Wand is inferior to these many fanon interpretations of the Elder Wand.
Ive seen a vid about Ollivanders opinion about woods for wands, and we can say that The Elder Wand that Harry had is really special to the core cuz its probably uses a god of death core.
@@eizendragon5141 A "god of death" core? Where did you get that idea from?
It’s always nice to have a theory so good that you literally can’t help but smile as you’re led through the explanation as the pieces slide together perfectly.
Dumbledore cant fear priori incantatem... If he knows what happened to harry in the grave yard because of what happened with Grindelwald that means he learned about that when he fought him, but if he new about the effect beforehand from a textbook or something he knows that only recent spells are regurgitated , and years passed between arians death and his duel so he would have to stand there for hours for all the spells to rewind to the point in their youth when ariana died.
So you're saying the 13 years between Voldemort killing Harry's parents and the graveyard duel is considered recent magic? No, it's the most recent spells first. If they remained connected long enough, every single spell a wand cast would be regurgitated.
To a point that’s true, Priori Incantatem works by projecting the spells in reverse order regardless of how much time was spent between the usage of one person and another, and that’s essentially why Harry’s parent, who died 13 years ago, managed to show up so quickly; Voldemort’s wand hadn’t been used at all between the death of the Potters and Bertha Jorkins. But, if Dumbledore used the twin core wand as an everyday wand, then they would indeed probably stand there for hours for Ariana to appear
@@gira5455 But this _would_ explain the discrepancy here: if P.I. happened between them due to sibling wands, they both would have caught on to what was happening and understand the effect; I think they're clever enough for us to believe that. However, that would also give Dumbledore plenty of time to break the effect like Harry does vs. Voldemort *before* they get far enough back to reveal who killed Ariana. And Dumbledore seems pained enough by the possibility of guiltiness that he might avoid dueling Grindelwald just due to the possibility of him losing and being forced to find out the truth.
@@abydosianchulac2 I honestly believe Dumbledore might've also been blinded by guilt and fear of the fact itself, more than it being proven, so the reverse properties of the effect on their own might've been enough to scare him, and the duration and limits of it might've just slipped out of his mind
@@karlrovey sorry, should have been more clear, most recent spells are regurgitated first and they work backwards, Voldemorts wand remained unused untill Wormtail somehow got it, years of daily wand use passed between Ariana's death and their confrontation, so they would have to remain connected for a long time in order to rewind the spells to the point of her death.
This is something I've believed for a long time. In fact, I even took to calling Dumbledore's wand "The Younger wand" for this reason. I wonder if, like Elder & Rowan, there's a similar relationship between Yew & Holly? That would make sense.
yeah I mean calling it "the Elder wand" would suggest the possibility of there being "the Younger wand" also. and with Younger and Elder maybe even "the Middle wand" ? I mean if you found of the most powerful ways of making a wand why wouldn't you share it with your most trusted? you know incase one of you lost it, a safety to get them back.
@@jaythewolf7216 that was my thought with Dumbledore & Grindelwald. They swore to never fight each other, & probably expected to beat everyone else.
prior or superior in rank, office, or validity another meaning, so could be called elder as in rank
okay but in the Potter movies, literally every wand connects. its like the only cool wand combat thing they know
exactly it's just something that the movies didn't explain as it was explained in the goblet of fire. wand beam battles are just a normal movie thing.
Maybe when it talks about the twin quillins(idk how to spell it) it was foreshadowing the twin cores. The twin core which leads ultimately to Grindelwald’s demise both times. My mind is blown.
I always thought that Dumbledore's original wand was made of apple wood. The pottermore description fits pretty well but the more important reason is the parallel to the Christian tree of knowledge. Dumbledore would represent Eve who is tempted by a snake (Grindelwald) to do something evil and thus eventually causes great harm
Awesome theory.
I remember seeing concept art or a production model of Dumbledore’s wand from the 2nd fantastic beasts that wasn’t used. It looked like a midpoint between his wand in this movie and the elder wand, but the ended up changing because it looked too similar to the elder wand. Maybe it was because it made the connection too obvious, and they went back to the drawing board to add a bit more subtlety.
Is it possible that the “core-less” wand from secrets actually has a thestral hair core? Don’t know if newt tested it before saying it didn’t have a core or was just going on faith?
certainly possible!
Can people who never witnessed death even see a thestral hair?
Maybe if a wand maker tries to like read the wand and he hasn’t experienced death he can’t like feel it and thinks its core less
@@jonandbencarlin9588 and that it Snakewood the one brother that related to the snake guy
Is it possible he was a parselmouth that pass the gift down his line so when the gaunt line met they bonded over speaking in parseltounge
Also make sense why the wand isn’t working as it could be dormant till it awoken by another parselmouth.
Oooh update that works
First brother wand match it self
Second bother a wand that would only work for the ones he love his children
And as stated in the video the third brother wand is for protection.
It is my theory that the location of the fight that matters. When Dumbledore was explaining to Newt and the others about Buthan, he explains that it is the origins of their most ancient magic ( or something along those lines) he then goes on to say that if you listen closely, the past reflects to you. I don't think that this spell was Prori Incantatum. But I think it is the spell of the blood pact. At the beginning of the movie, if you pay attention to the background, it is the same color as what we see at the end, and it also functions similarly. It's like Grinderwald's and Dumbledore's little pocket dimension where they can interact with each other and communicate, but it doesn't affect the real world. When Grindlewald attempts to kill Credence, Dumbledore and Aberforth both protect him, similar to the fight that killed Arianna. And as a result, Bhutan whispered what happened that day to: The blood pact. All of those emotions during that duel were funneled into the blood pact, resulting in the new spell, which I am calling Priori Absconditum, to burst out, allowing Grindlewald and Dumbledore to duel each other, whilst the blood pact's magic fades around them due to the sudden amount of 'betrayal' it sensed between Grindlewald and Dumbledore's past selves. Anyway, that's what I think happened lol
That’s really really interesting!
I wonder if Creedence will become Fawkes after dying. If he can speak Parselmouth and/or is a Gaunt, that might help explain why the first wand chose Voldemort.
Actually have a "Philosopher's stone" question or rather 2..: It just came to me today, but why didn't Voldemort tell Quirrel "Hey, that's Snape. He's one of mine! Work together."
Did he already suspect Snape being Dumbledore's man or think he betrayed him? Otherwise, why did he deem it to risky to reveal himself (simply because of his weakend state..?)?
Second question: At the very beginning of the book, when Harry receives his flood of letters, why do all the owls stick around in the first place? They don't receive payment after all for delivering school letters, wait for a reply or until the recipient has read the contents...
Did Dumbledore put a spell on them? How did he know anyway that the letters weren't being read? Is there a charm on the letters much like todays messengers "double tick" to let him know they have been read? There must be some sort of charm since the address also changed when the Dursleys moved Harry to a bedroom or when they went away.
Either I'm not seeing something or I could really use another insight on these topics^^
And I don't think it already came up in the ... idk exactly... 6 years or so I've been following your channel :D
Oh, also actually regarding this video (sorry :D): If Dumbledore's original wand and Grindelwald's Elder wand (or maybe he didn't use it for some reason in the infamous duel?) really did share a connection and Grindelwald's regurgitates and Auriana doesn't pop up, that would have indisputably meant that either Dumbledore or his brother accidentally kill their sister. When Dumbledore drinks Voldemort's potion, he still doesn't know, so either the wands did not share a connection or they did and it was not Grindelwald who killed Auriana.
It would be such a devastation to know it was definitely either himself or his brother - and being Dumbledore, he kept it all to himself and never shared this knowledge with Aberforth.
It would put in a whole new layer to the guilt that had been eating him up ever since that tragedy.
- Oh, but for that to even have happened, Grindelwald would have had to have used his own original wand, since the 3-way duel took place before he stole the Elder wand.
Also, he has killed way too many with the Elder wand for Auriana to even pop up after all these years.
I really didn't think this one through before editing my comment :D It is a complicated matter with many different layers to consider after all. Also, because we know what happened after...
Snape literally explains that in book 6 while talking to Bellatrix and Narcissa, 1 Snape thought he was legit dead, 2 voldy didn't trust snape
For the snape question. Voldemort didn’t let his left hand know what his right hand was doing.
Fun video! Impossible theory. One glaring issue is this: Grindelwald stole the Elder Wand *after* the duel that killed Ariana. Even if this is true (which it can't be) and the Elder Wand was twins with Dumbledore's wand, the Elder Wand did not fight in that three way duel. Plus it would have to go through 50ish years of spells to even get to that point if it was. They'd be there all day!
It's more likely that Dumbledore fear knowing the truth because it would destroy him utterly. Grindelwald wouldn't have cared (or would he? Since Gellert still loves Albus and possibly even his sister o.O) if he killed her, where Dumbledore would. He could have feared knowing this since he would then have done something we (as far as we know) had never done: take a life. The man who preached love and reconciliation would then himself be no better at his core than the man who lusted for power and control!
While, I doubt Dumbledore's sand is brothers with the Elder Wand. SCB are probably correct about the what wood Dumbledore's wand is made of.
If we assume Dumbldore’s wand is the 3rd brothers wand and that they found that wand during the summer in Godric’s Hollow it’s very possible he used in the duel that killed Ariana. Plus he was worried that he would find that HE killed her, which I take to mean he was more worried she would come out of his wand.
@@aceofhearts1698 that's a good point - I was going to comment that Grindelwald didn't have the Elder Wand when Ariana died, but if Dumbledore's worried about her appearing from his wand, it's a moot point.
This was literally jaw dropping. From a very very long time follower and dedicated fan of yours this was seriously excellence. You sank the hook swung for the fences stacked your facts flourished your examples lead the audience to the only possible conclusion stuck the landing hard and then did the whole thing over again with the second half reveal. Bravo.
I really love this theory, but the only issue I could see is that when the wands start regurgitating spells they start with the most recent. Dumbledore has presumably used hundreds of spells since his sisters death, so unless it spits up literally every spell he’s done I don’t think it’d go back that far
3:54 Olywander at that moment trying desperately to bout freak out and tell him truth in softer way without making kid afraid
No to the Elder wand having a twin. Death crafted only 1 wand. The Twin Asian unicorn chooses Albus because of his pure heart. The Elder wand did not choose Grindelwald. Gellert stole the wand from Gregorovitch was not beat in a duel. Gregorovitch was also not the owner of the wand. Gregorovitch was in possession, but the Gregorovitch had not been chosen by the wand. If there is a 5th Fantastic Beast movie. Albus will beat Gellert Grindelwald in the famous duel and become the owner. The wand will choose Albus, and that we know. We know that Grindelwald is not the owner because Tina Goldstein was able to disarm Grindelwald in the first movie. Tina Goldstein has the allegiance of the Elder wand at this time of the story. The wand chooses the wizard. Grindelwald tried to tell Tom Riddle this in the prison cell at Nurmengard Castle before he was killed. Albus may have a powerful wand, or is it Albus is a better wizard because of his pure heart! Your theories are good though. If you want to know more? Reread the UK first editions again and you will see I maybe on the right track.
The wand will still fond to the original owner of the wand, that mean Grindelwald still can master the elder wand . Though Grindelwald is not the maker of the elder wand or the original owner of the wand , the elder wand may have some connection between Grindelwald cause Grindelwald got the elder after he left dumbledore , that mean he possesed the elder nearly for 20 years or more , a connection of 20 years will not be easily waiver . However ,what we deducted do not count , what jk rowling said only count since she is the author of the wizarding world
What if the actual twin to the Elder Wand is that snake wand that he gave to the Muggle? And Dumbledore is just hiding it in plain sight until he needs it.
Only 2:08 in but I feel like Antioch would kill the thestral (the one that gave the hair for the Deathstick) so that he could be the only one who holds the immense power, you guys may address this.
By the same logic, the second brother's wand would've been a powerful healer's wand, able to rescue people from the clutches of death from incurable ills and lethal magical wounds, and when he failed to save his loved one with it, he made the stone of the gaunts... the wand never made it to voldemort because he's the opposite of a healer, and the wand itself probably chose to be inherited by disciples of antioch the healer rather than the non-healer faimly line
Or maybe the potters were healers in the past... the last sort-of healer-y one was harry's granpa, didn't he invent an anti-baldness potion or something?
Nah I confused myself there, I was talking about the gaunts, and it was harry's grandpa that invented a potion but it was for managing hermione's hair for the yule ball
So... historical list of saint mungo's directors, any gaunts in there? What are their wands made of? Y'all are the experts, I want my video ;)
And no Harry choose to throw the other one away because he believed no one deserves that power
I'm still on the fence with this theory but I can see the points being made. With Priori Incantatum I always wondered how it may show spells that don't have such tangible physical implications like murder and destruction. What if the last spell was accio? Would it show what was summoned? Do cleaning or vanishing spells just show what was cleaned or vanished? What if it is the witness and caster for an unbreakable vow? What if it was the cushioning charm placed on brooms? So many questions surrounding that alone to me.
Since it shows the reverse of the spell, I would assume accio would repel nearby objects with a strength proportional to the original casting
Been a minute since I’ve seen you guys! Needed this.
I love you guys, make my day so much better!!
The way he whispers hey brother wand was just so delightful. 😂
Yes but we know that dumbledore even after dying still didn’t know whether he killed Arianna which means that priori incantartum either did not occur or arianna did not appear like with Harry and Voldemort
1:34 I love how you presenting this as a completely "You'll know what I'm talking about..." - Yes I do, alas not all who hasn't read all the books and seen all the movies. Welp they who hasn't should do that before ending up here.
The casual talking about it is golden
This actually makes perfect sense to me, I hope they go in this direction with the movies!!
If the 3 brothers created their own wants with the hair, then there must be a total of 3 elder wands.
What if the 2nd brother's wand also used the same thestral core? Would there be triplet cores? And how strong would they be if they were working together?
why the heck does this fit SO well?????? i love your vids so much, and i think that every time. you must have do do SO MUCH digging for all the info.
I‘m seriously considering to watch secrets of Dumbledore just to understand these theories
You should see it. It's not great, but I don't regret going.
@@coolnerdlll6053 I’ll probably watch it when it comes out on Netflix or prime video
Really don’t want to go to the cinema in covid times
@@JustJoe10 Good on you for being safe. I just hope that doesn't get you subjected to spoilers.
Do it!
@@coolnerdlll6053 I’m fine with spoilers
If this is the way they head it makes the Secrets of Dumbledore make so much sense. Everyone thinks its just nonsense non important to the story but this theory kinda makes you understand the whole point in this movie.
I like the idea that Ignatious wand was Rowan wood and testral hair
Just like how dumbledores wand is unknown so is aberforth's and as we see in the ending of secrets of dumbledore aberforth and dumbledore their wands "connect" to block the killing curse cast by grindlewalt. and as we know twin wands when used together multiply their strengths ten fold so i like to think the 2nd brother's wand is a twin to dumbledores wand and thus the wand aberforth uses
All wands are usually made more than once, true the older brother took the elder wand but there might have been a prototype of sorts, also the 3 brothers had wands, they all could have been made by the same person, maybe a parent? Obviously different woods but the same core from the same thestral. The family pet to which all the brothers were fond of. If hogwarts used thestrals than it stands to reason there was a time they were accepted.
HonestlyI do believe Dumbledore's wand could be Ignotus' wand. because maybe I am bugging right now, but I sommehow rememberHarry's cloak not being demiguise fur but to be speculated to be thestral hair. So it would sound like the three brothers had a bony horse friend, Maybe "Death"? Maybe They met the thestral on that lonely road and they got the materials they needed from it? In that case the brother wand could belong to either Cadmus or Ignotus.
However I am not sold on one thing: the wood type: I believe it IS a rowan wand and why Gellert disregarded it. "Sorry pal, wrong wood and doesn't even work. Albus? you wanna give it a spin?"
"Works better than my old man's" (and yes i believe that is why Dumbledore took it. the Dumbledores at the time were strapped for cash. I do not think Albus actually had his own wand. They after all had no breadwinner in the family with his dad in azkaban and Kendra taking care of Ariana. And if it is Rowan it might at least work better than his dad's. remember every wizard can work with every wand, but they get better results with the wand that chose them. So Dumbledore effectively got the best of his time with the handbreak pulled up and in reverse gear.)
Maybe the resurrection stone was some Thestral poop?
If you end up remembering where you heard about the thestral hair theory to explain the invisibility cloak, I'd be very interested! Also, for the resurrection stone, maybe thestral bezoars are a thing haha
Actually, olivander might have stolen the third brothers wand, he had a deal with dumbledore, how did he get 2 phoenix feathers? Also he needed the skill to use them properly, wand makers were notorious for copying notable successfully versions
Still think you guys should do a j vs. Ben about your own content
I mean you know how many spells they have done? Dumbledoor doing an insane amount of spells as a teacher.
ive waited 3 minutes and still no theories...just ads..
More like three and a half minutes. Double speed was a help.
The way the movies overuse the "wand connection" effect is ridiculous. It's as is the people who make them haven't read the books.
The brothers making the hallows makes more sense. As Mad Eye could see through Harry's cloak but death couldn't? Even though he supposedly made it? That never tracked. I subscribe to the theory the gifted Peverell brothers created then. Absolutely.
I always wondered if them "meeting death" was more meant to be a metaphor- perhaps they all had a near death experience, or their own personal tragedies and created the Hallows in response to that. You could then see how the story would get twisted and reinterpreted via word of mouth.
The fact that you try to add Voldemorts laugh in every video at least once is a true godsend! Thank you for your service!😂❤
so what about when the elder wand and voldys wand connect in order of the pheonix? i think its just how wands fight, and i think the "unblockable" thing doesnt apply to ultra powerful wizards like dumbledore. harry's/dracos wand also connects to the elder wand in deathly hallows..
That was only in the movies.
In the books Dumbledore used golden statues and Faux to counter the killing curse.
Theory.
What if all three brothers used the the same Thestrals core..?
Like, what if that was a pact they all had with eachother, to try and prevent one another from harming.
Three way twin core anyone?😂
If at least one of the other Peveral brothers made a wand using a Thestral core, it would explain how the Elder wand got it's name. It was the ELDER'S wand (since the eldest of the brothers made it)
Or the fact it was made out of elder wood
10:55 That spit is magical.
My wand on wizarding world is actually a Rowan wand
NICE
Can I just say as a mental health student in school, I love that your channel promotes betterhelp and promotes mental health awareness (esp since mental health awareness month is coming up).
At this point I'm completely convinced you guys are better writers than JK Rowling because she made it clear in this last film that she doesn't really think these films through that much
With the Priori Incantatem, one of them could be able to see the ghost of Ariana, like Harry seeing the "ghosts" of Cedric and his parents in the graveyard.
In the movie, Dumbledore don't see any ghost, so .... he might be the one who killed Ariana?
Wand lore has always been one of the aspects of Harry Potter that is difficult to make sense of. While the properties of different woods and cores are fascinating to me, the ideas of wands choosing their users and loyalty changing have always seemed paradoxical, as if wands were mere flaky lovers who initially choose a partner then renege in favor of the Gigachad who cast a Disarming Charm. I no longer believe as much forethought went into the lore as I once thought, which is a shame because it was a huge part of the resolution of the books and is also shaping up to be important here in Fantastic Beasts.
Big fan of the allusion to rowan wands, but as a fan of "Dumbledore the Gray" rather than "Dumbledore the Paragon" and card-carrying member of "the Qilin should have kneeled to Jacob society" I hope there's another explanation.
It's worth noting that it is primarily the Elder Wand that changes loyalty so frequently. The flaky lover, as you put it :D While Ollivander does mention that it's possible to "win" wands from others, this is clearly not a super common occurrence, as there are plenty of instances of someone being disarmed, and then their wand works just fine when they get it back later down the line. A lot of people get disarmed during the confrontation in the Shrieking Shack during book 3, for instance.
Another possibility would be that the average wand accepts both the new "winner" AND the original owner as both being worthy to wield it, which would solve both problems handily, but feels like it would lead to other problems that just coincidentally never come up in the books. Hard to know, and I agree that it feels like it may not have been perfectly fleshed out before hitting the shelves.
"The Elder Wand is also referred to as the Death Stick."
*Elan Sleazebaggano sweats nervously*
This may seem like a little loaded but I'm curious....
How would the Peverell brothers "seen Death" to begin with? Clearly all three could see thestrals, which means something had to happen for these brothers to witness a traumatic event! What event could that be?!
Let me ask, where are their parents???
Who were they? What were their names? What happened to them? Where were the extended relatives? Did Antioch, Cadmus, and Ignotus get abandoned or left behind? And, how??
Because that might explain why the Hallows came to be...
A small question: In Goblet of Fire one can use Priori Incantatem to investigate a wand. If he wants to know who casted the Arianna killing spell he can just investigate with it is own wand
It would just tell you the spells case. The brother wand effect is needed to actually see the victims.
Theory for the end. Grindelwald will just give up at the end of the big duel either due to his love for Dumbledore or for some other reason based on their interactions. It would make for a really cool call-out to the Rita Skeeter writeup about Dumbledore from book 7 as well as display Dumbledore's desire and ability to do everything he can to not cause death or pain, even to his enemies.
Boom.
I’ve always been struck by the fact that, when you first hear Dumbledore “defeats” grindelwald, you assume it means kill as that was always the aim with defeating Voldemort! Yet he doesn’t£
I say that the 2nd brother would have wanted to make his own kind of wand. So I think that he would have had a wand that was made out of a different wood that wouldn't copy his younger brothers or his older brothers wands. So I think that Salazar Slytherin's wand is the middle brothers wand and it was made from snake wood. We also know that this wand was passed down through the generations and that this is one that is planted at ilvermorny school of witchcraft and wizardry.
Another point is poorer wizards like Ron were given second hand wands. Some wands became family heirlooms, even more as trophies by the ministry of magic as proof of their owners demise. Obviously some were buried with their owners out of respect. Very possible someone robbed a grave, not necessarily dumbledore. We know the elder wand was stolen in one of Harry's visions.
The wands aren't brothers by core, but by wood, they were made from the same tree
Voldy's laughing clip always make me chuckle a bit
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So, that’s actually a misunderstanding in the movies. In the books, Priori Incantatem is actually a golden light beam connecting the two Wanda and then forming a dome around them. The movies didn’t show this and then for some reason the movies thought it’d be a good idea to show every important duel in the series having a connecting wand moment. But those aren’t actually Priori Incantatem.
LOVE your knowledge, enthusiasm, and humor. great editing!
14:38 The Best Editing, good thing I wasn't drinking.
I love how happy J is in this video