What would be great is a comparison to a regular Windows built machine with similar specs and the 2080. That way we can see how throttling is effecting performance.
1) Buy a Mac Mini 2) Realize Mac OS X is fancy, but offers nothing for gaming 3) Install Windows to play games 4) Realize it's sh!t in graphics 5) Buy an RTX 2080 6) Buy an eGPU enclosure 7) Realize, you've no space left for games 8) Buy an external SSD 9) Realize, you've spent a sh!tload of money for a clumsy wire-spiderweb machine and a PC half the price will outperform your fancy a$$ aluminum dust collecter... Edit: 10) Realize, that almost all of the remaining 350 comments are talking about the same as me. It looks to be, I'm late to the party...
I think a lot of people going this route are gonna only think these 3 steps: 1) already use OSX professionally for profit in a media career 2) remember how fun it was to play games and build PCs as a teen (pretty much only thing I remember as "better" from my PC days) 3) use the new eGPU availability to cash in on nostalgic hobby without building a gaudy and irrelevant custom gaming PC
@@maisonmallninja any one that can use their mind would buy a laptop or build a custom pc .. the rtx card he used in the video was not even showing half of its power ... I would rather buy a skyreach 4 mini case and build a system in it and run mac os and windows with clover ...
This was an interesting exercise, but I do not understand why a Mac Mini owner would want to buy and use a Windows-only eGPU with an expensive "5K2K" display. Why not buy a cross-platform-compatible eGPU that could enhance both the MacOS and Windows experience? Those wanting a Windows-only experience would likely skip the MacMini and put their fancy card in a gaming PC, even if they have to build it themselves.
Yeah if you want decent GPU performance with MacOS compatibility I would think you would be better off going with a AMD Vega based card in an eGPU enclosure.
At the moment I'm experimenting with a Radeon VII hooked up to a Macbook Pro Late 2016. My Geekbench Score has gone from 54141 to 147974. My next tests will be under Windows. Can't wait see how it performs under bootcamp. The Moment the next mojave beta comes out I'll be releasing a review 😁
It’s enough to get a gtx1060 or 1070 since you’re limited by PCIe 4x bandwidth and CPU throttling. Just because you can afford rtx2080 doesn’t mean you should get it.
100% agree with you. With current revision of thunderbolt, the better the GPU the higher the performance loss in percentage. something like a 1060 makes the most sense.
I wish, this year AMD should slap Intel's Thunderbolt 3 with their open-source PCIe i/o technology with full extent x16 solution. e.g. FreeSync & FreeSync 2 in case of display tech...
Mac Mini (shown here): $1099, Razor Core External GPU box: $300, Nvidia graphics card: $780, External SSD: $500. Total: $2680. You can probably build a Windows 10 Gamer PC for half that price with the same performance, or even better. I love my Mac Mini 2018, but I bought it knowing full well that it's definitely not a gaming machine. For that I've got an Xbox One X.
when you have seen 128gb ssd compare against 1tb model??! for hardware reasons the performance will differ everywhere. so its not like the G drive is extraordinarily fast. its almost the same speed as 1tb Mac mini model.
Even though the 2018 mac mini does have it limitations, with bootcamp and a good gpu and egpu setup is a good option. In fact, I have dual pc setup using this type of setup using dual 2018's for both my machine. One with a AMD RX 6700Xt for my gaming rig and the other AMD RX 570 for my streaming rig. Im running at 1080/60..but found my sweet spot is 1080/30 to ease up on the RX 570 rig. With a good DSLR and Elgato wave link, camlink 4k and a couple of stream decks, it is good enough to stream with in a compact room without the need of bulky gaming pc's at your feet.
Not necessarily. If, like myself, you already own a Mac Mini, it's far cheaper to buy an eGPU than it is to build (or buy) a whole secondary PC. If you were to build a PC for equal to or cheaper than the eGPU enclosure, you would be far more bottlenecked by the cheap CPU and low memory than you would be by the TB3 bandwidth.
narutodayo not really, you get OSX for everyday use, then Windows for gaming. You can also I think if you go the AMD route, play games with an EGPU in a Windows virtual machine in OSX, not sure what the performance hit is though. If your buying a high end graphics card for a PC build anyway, then an EGPU box can cost from 250, a lot cheaper then the components of a high end PC.
Just like PC, the smaller it is the more expensive it is.. What is PC's competition for a 6 core, up to 64 GB of ram (upgradable) system of this size? Yes you lose out on the soldered nvme, but you also already have the top of the line i7 8th gen proc. I by no means like apple, but you need to be fair.
@@APhamx7 NUC. You can actually build your own mini-computer with a GTX 1070 (Zotac ZBOX EN1070). You can even build your own computer with better thermals and *it is upgradable,* somthing the Mac Mini isnt.
the price of the egpu along is 300-400 bucks, in fact thats how much i build my node 202 setup, i3 8100 = 100 16gb 3600mhz ram = 100 node 202+ 450w psu = 100 mini itx mobo = 100 big difference is this setup doesnt have the egpu penalty tb3 have. and no cpu throttling either. i know building is not for everything but my situation it worked out quite well. plus i don't have to put my mbp through intense heat cycle everytime i wanna game.
At the end of the day it seems easier, cheaper AND more future-proof to just build an mITX computer, parking it alongside the Mini. Less expensive storage, less expensive RAM, less GPU bottlenecking, less compatibility issues etc.
Got a killer windows gaming PC but got a Mac Mini for my editing needs and its also my first ever Mac computer. Lugging a mac mini with an eGPU is a 1000x better than lugging my gigantic super heavy desktop to a friends house or LAN party.
Why is Apple’s relationship with Nvidia so bad ? I mean, it almost looks like Apple is trying to do ANYTHING at all to prevent us from any kind of gaming. WHY ?!?!
Note that Apple hardware doesn’t support 4K at 60Hz over HDMI. You must use DisplayPort or Mini DP, even if you’re converting from Thunderbolt 3/USB-C.
u have one of the best mic setups of all the channels i follow always love hearing ur voice n damn this mac mini is lovely ... best mac device apple has produced this year
Great video! Will this actually work on a Mac Mini 2020 also? I work mainly on Mac, but still want to play Windows games in my spare time. This would be great so i wouldnt need to buy 2 Systems and i still have a GTX 1080 lying around to be used.
For everyone completely confused, the point of this is for people like myself who use OSX professionally (nearly every developer I know), don't like Windows, don't like Linux on the desktop and want to just flip to Windows to play a game at full fidelity once a week then flip right back to OSX when done. And no, I don't want to build a hackintosh anymore. I've built hackintoshes for a decade. I'm sick and tired of wasting a weekend every 6 months when my hackintosh (which I'm currently typing this on) breaks. And I don't even remotely need what a Mac Pro comes with (ECC ram, etc). I don't want an iMac because I already have 34" monitors. I already own a GTX1080. Now I just need a mini and an egpu. Yeah, we're not a huge market but this is one of the reasons something like this exists. So the Mac Mini with an egpu will makes a great machine for someone like me.
Well done! One of the few videos showing the 2018 Mac Mini with an eGPU. I noticed, however, that the HDMI cable was disconnected after the eGPU was hooked up. That is great as long as using Windows. However, when going back to MacOS, does this solution work with the eGPU or does it mean the user would have to unplug the displayport and plug the HDMI port between the MacMini and Monitor? It can get a bit annoying especially if the monitor ports are not as easily accessible (e.g. if wall mounted etc.). Thanks!
I'm intrigued by this because I'm considering getting a Mac Mini with an eGPU for photo and video work...for whatever reason, I don't want to get another iMac, especially as it by this point is somewhat outdated (I'm also perfectly happy with my 4k LG monitor), but I also don't wanted to get a 2018 MacBook Pro because the model I'd want to get-with 32GB-would still be at least $500 or more than the equivalent Mini plus a modest eGPU, not to mention all of the reported keyboard and flexgate issues the newer MacBooks have with the butterfly keyboard (I currently use a 2014 MBP that would be me my travel computer for mobility). So I wonder how this would work for what I am wanting?
I did this to my MacBook pro with aorus gaming box and the only downside is that you're required to have an external monitor. To enable it on the internal, it requires a script that is buggy as hell. Besides that, some people manage to do some boot up changes to make the system recognize the gpu.
I prefer mac OS for work but I need windows for games but I'm on a budget so I built a hackintosh 2 years ago running Mavericks with a 780Ti Installation is a pain in the ass but it's worth it Now Mojave doesn't run on newer Nvidia GPUs now anymore luckily Kepler is still supported natively by mojave Now I am planning to buy an AMD card maybe RX580 Is it worth an upgrade?
Hey there 9-5 hosts. Thanks for a great video. Question: When you boot camp windows with the EGPU do you have to do anything special with the Mac for it to see the GPU since Mac does not play well with Nvidia? Thanks for all the great content.
I was previously considering doing a Linux host MacOS/Win10 VM via qemu setup but have been pondering doing something similar to what you're suggesting over the last few days (Mac Mini + Ryzen/RTX PC where I'm accessing one or the other via remote connection over a 10Gbps Ethernet connection). Hell, why stop there? PS4 remote play on the Mac as well :p
@@AT-py6uq It's getting close. You would have much better performance in terms of processing power and graphical performance with the iMac. The iMac also comes with a beautiful 5K screen, and a decent amount of NVME storage.
@@YasinHasan The apple is better than a surface studio, which I believe features a 7th gen quadcore. But, I guess it depends on what you are planning on using it for.
Hm, yet practically it's cheaper to build a gaming PC for a secondary machine and keep the Mac Mini in its original configuration running macOS on, isn't it? Am I wrong?
You will be CPU limited with those games but a tip for smoothness under Windows 10, engage Ultimate Performance Power Profile - you will need to look it up online for the command to enable it in Windows Home but then, it is a matter of using a Power Profile Switcher to use it for gaming. This keeps Windows from throttling anything down to save power. I'm setting my Gigabyte Aero 15X with a 2080 eGPU so your video was interesting to see and confirms the reason I want the eGPU for - Higher Resolutions and Effects especially pertaining to VR with my Pimax 8K
hey Jeff, I really need your help, can you show in detail how to set up a amd graphic card in bootcamp, i always get the CODE 12 error from windows and i cant use my vega 56 in bootcamp! I really would appreciate if you would show the proper way to install all necessary drivers and amd x connect so amd graphic is supported in bootcamp. Greetings from Switzerland:)
It's nice that this works, but if the card is not even supported by MacOS and requires physically switching cables around each time you want to use it, what's the point? Since the GPU is the most expensive part of a gaming build anyway, why not just build a dedicated machine at this point?
Best of both worlds, small partition for Mac OS and windows partition for great gaming. The only down side if at all is the combined price for which you could by a high end gaming laptop / small form factor PC but non the less, impressive.
Nice! Rise of the Tomb Raider Benchmark would be a good one to run to compare the mini with egpu to other systems although the ultra wide monitor kinda changes the playing field as its pushing a lot of pixels so one would need the same monitor to compare your frame rates / performance. The EGPU is def way to go if you want to game with the new mini. I have an old 2010 12 core mac pro with a flashed 980ti, its a pretty sweat gaming setup in windows running at 2k. I just can't update to Mojave due to lack of drivers but for the money its hard setup to beat.
@@by_turluttu Afraid not as you can't just flash the card you need to install a larger memory chip to fit the bios from what I gather. Not as simple as flashing a R9 280x for example. But you can buy on ebay for around $350
I sold my gaming pc for a mac mini m4 bc it's better for music production even though I had a power house of a pc problem is that my pc was to loud to much desk space etc but it's a solid machine not a fan of apple anymore sense I switched to samsung s24 ultra but this pc is great absolutely fantastic machine maybe one day egpu will be supported for mac I think it's. A fantastic system for what it is but if ya had a egpu man the money you would save. Mac mini m4 is 550$ on sale usually 600$ and a nice rx 7800xt for 480$ solid machine it would be
So, this made my decision, no Mac mini for gaming for me. But, in order to have a Mac for the OS and ecosystem of my phone, iPad, and watch, could I share a monitor with my PC and a Mac Mini and switch back and fourth as needed?
Quick question, When you did a hard shut down and disconnected the HDMI, why did you do that and connected the display ports? Why couldn't you just connect the HDMI cable from your mac mini to the HDMI port of the eGPU? is display ports better or something?
LOVED This video! I just bought a MacBook PRO and will be receiving it on Thursday (I Can't wait!) I found this video to be quite interesting as I plan to use my Macbook with an eGPU and was leaning towards the Vega 64 since it is the fastest properly supported GFX card onthe Mac. However, I am interested inteh RTX 2080 as I wil be doing some gaming via BootCamp (~15%-20% gaming vs Creativity/Productivity.) I am comiong form the PC and I am an Adobe Creative Cloud user, and wanting to jump into doing some video work of my own. I am a novie at both Final Cut PRo and Adobe PRemiere and was looking to go the route of FInal CUt as my first video editor (THus IO was leaning towards teh Vega 64) My question, is how does FInal Cut Pro perfom with nVidia Cards? I realize FCP is optimized for AMD and AMD will be much faster, but thew qestion is "How much faster?" I would LOVE to see a copmparison of Final Cut Pro and Adobe Premiere on Vega 64 vs FCP & AP on RTX 2080. I will be buying my eGPU and video card next moth, so if you are up for a nice comparison video, I would LOVE To see it!
Some questions: What about egpu fans noise is it adding a lot of noise to the room? Is Mac mini actively using CPU fan while gaming in this case? Also is there a loss in FPS to compare to the same setup but with standard PC and PCIexpress? I am simply considering buying egpu but thinking to leave my Mac mini 2018 as is and buy pc box or buy egpu box and save on other PC internals in this case. Would it harm with overheating to Mac cpu in this case or wearing out cpu fan very fast?
8:11 good to know about the two left thunderbolt ports are bus zero and the two right thunderbolt ports are bus one, when hooking up an external SSD and an eGPU to the mac mini.
If you use 2 thunderbolt 3 devices on the same bus that means that yoy have to shared the 40gbps or you're only making work harder the controller, I mean what I don't know is each bus has 1 thunderbolt 3 bandwith or it has double to be ready to give 40gbps to each device if are using the same bus
runs great under windows - no surprise (too bad you couldn't test 2080Ti), but how it behaves under MacOS? Obviously drivers for Mac are missing, but I does it allow to video signal to pass through or you need to unplug eGPU to use MacOS?
What is the life span of all these parts? Can I use a egpu without a chassis? I dont know anything about using these - but I want a Mac Mini and feel good about using peripheral parts because Id like to be able to clean them, replace them over time if necessary.
i have two external monitors, is it better to connect them to the eGPU or directly to the mac mini? both monitors use displayport. i dont use windows on my mac mini though, just regular macOS Catalina
I'm not good at tech, but I have mac mini 2014 and thinking of upgrading the graphics card to an external GPU. Say you upgrade to a really good graphics card like you have, such as Nvidia RTX 2080, but my mac mini processor power is only i5 2.8 GHz. Would it somehow overwork my mac mini if the video card would be working at very high performance but mac mini processor is not at the same level? Or it doesn't make any difference. Thanks.
I love you guys!!!! I’ve been waiting for this for so long!!! So what would the delta be using this card on a dedicated windows pc vs the Mac mini with egpu? Is there much of one at all? Thank you so much for being the first to show that this would work well with an Nvidia egpu. Tonite the Mac side of things do you have to change the inputs?
You need to include some better notes in your videos... like temps.. FPS... resolution per game, etc. gamers nexus videos are a good format to follow for these kinds of videos
I need help here , I have imac latest 2017 (radeon pro555) and mantiz with radeon vega 64 inside. when i connect to windows 10 bootcamp, all screen goes to black screen. before it goes to blackscreen I saw win comp management recognize the radeon vega 64, but then all balck in few second. I need help here. I tried many methods but doesn't solve my problem yet.
If I had the financial resources, I would do a project like this. It would be fun. Anyone can build a PC. This project is unique. If you don't get it, then you don't get it.
Hi, thx for your videos... I have a razer blade 17“ 2019 and a razer core x with a 2080ti. But i don‘t get them running together. I only get one card to work. If the external card works than my internal card get an error code 43. Do you have some tips to get them both running at same time? I need both cards for 3d rendering. Best regards Patrick
You make it look so easy but I just cannot get this to work. Not sure if it’s the windows software or the fact that I’m only using hdmi and not display port. I figure that wouldn’t matter. Windows detects the video card but doesn’t allow me to install the drivers. Sometimes it doesn’t do anything at all.
If you are staying in MacOS use an AMD card since it is supported in the OS, you won't see any real benefit in a MacOS visualization environment like Parallels with an Nvidia card but you will see a big improvement with AMD. The Vega cards work very well in MacOS. Have a great day.
What would be great is a comparison to a regular Windows built machine with similar specs and the 2080. That way we can see how throttling is effecting performance.
mac mini be like: look at me, im the pc now
Yup.
Mac mini m1/m1x: pft your a child compare to me
Best Dual Boot eGPU tutorial on TH-cam without advertising as a tutorial :')
1) Buy a Mac Mini
2) Realize Mac OS X is fancy, but offers nothing for gaming
3) Install Windows to play games
4) Realize it's sh!t in graphics
5) Buy an RTX 2080
6) Buy an eGPU enclosure
7) Realize, you've no space left for games
8) Buy an external SSD
9) Realize, you've spent a sh!tload of money for a clumsy wire-spiderweb machine and a PC half the price will outperform your fancy a$$ aluminum dust collecter...
Edit:
10) Realize, that almost all of the remaining 350 comments are talking about the same as me. It looks to be, I'm late to the party...
PRK well honestly buying a Mac for gaming is plain stupid I don’t even get why Apple haters keep laughing about that
I think a lot of people going this route are gonna only think these 3 steps:
1) already use OSX professionally for profit in a media career
2) remember how fun it was to play games and build PCs as a teen (pretty much only thing I remember as "better" from my PC days)
3) use the new eGPU availability to cash in on nostalgic hobby without building a gaudy and irrelevant custom gaming PC
@@maisonmallninja any one that can use their mind would buy a laptop or build a custom pc .. the rtx card he used in the video was not even showing half of its power ...
I would rather buy a skyreach 4 mini case and build a system in it and run mac os and windows with clover ...
I like the mac tho....windows can't do much but update....
@@Articbear and whats wrong with update ...? U can stop it for 60 days then it will update and u have another 60 days ...
This was an interesting exercise, but I do not understand why a Mac Mini owner would want to buy and use a Windows-only eGPU with an expensive "5K2K" display. Why not buy a cross-platform-compatible eGPU that could enhance both the MacOS and Windows experience? Those wanting a Windows-only experience would likely skip the MacMini and put their fancy card in a gaming PC, even if they have to build it themselves.
He said because those e-gpu's can't take the new 2080's because they are too big.
At least AMD would have drivers for MacOS. If someone is going to go for a eGPU solution, then why not go for maximum compatibility.?
Yeah if you want decent GPU performance with MacOS compatibility I would think you would be better off going with a AMD Vega based card in an eGPU enclosure.
egpu.io has scripts you can run to enable Nvidia web drivers in MacOS. It's not exactly plug-and-play like AMD cards with MacOS, but it works.
At the moment I'm experimenting with a Radeon VII hooked up to a Macbook Pro Late 2016. My Geekbench Score has gone from 54141 to 147974. My next tests will be under Windows. Can't wait see how it performs under bootcamp. The Moment the next mojave beta comes out I'll be releasing a review 😁
It’s enough to get a gtx1060 or 1070 since you’re limited by PCIe 4x bandwidth and CPU throttling. Just because you can afford rtx2080 doesn’t mean you should get it.
100% agree with you. With current revision of thunderbolt, the better the GPU the higher the performance loss in percentage. something like a 1060 makes the most sense.
Apple has some magic with there thunderbolt 3 connection which allows you to use 2 or 3 ports bandwidth.
Totally agreed. Actually it's more likely to bottleneck even an 1060.
I wish, this year AMD should slap Intel's Thunderbolt 3 with their open-source PCIe i/o technology with full extent x16 solution.
e.g. FreeSync & FreeSync 2 in case of display tech...
@@Phynix72 it takes a boat load of money to design something like that not to mention that amd doesn't have the software talent necessary
I need Mac OS X and I want have gaming too then I’m going to buy a Mac mini (because I’m not a Rothschild) and a eGPU.
Thanks to you!
And? How is it?
Mac Mini (shown here): $1099, Razor Core External GPU box: $300, Nvidia graphics card: $780, External SSD: $500. Total: $2680. You can probably build a Windows 10 Gamer PC for half that price with the same performance, or even better. I love my Mac Mini 2018, but I bought it knowing full well that it's definitely not a gaming machine. For that I've got an Xbox One X.
when you have seen 128gb ssd compare against 1tb model??! for hardware reasons the performance will differ everywhere. so its not like the G drive is extraordinarily fast. its almost the same speed as 1tb Mac mini model.
Even though the 2018 mac mini does have it limitations, with bootcamp and a good gpu and egpu setup is a good option. In fact, I have dual pc setup using this type of setup using dual 2018's for both my machine. One with a AMD RX 6700Xt for my gaming rig and the other AMD RX 570 for my streaming rig. Im running at 1080/60..but found my sweet spot is 1080/30 to ease up on the RX 570 rig. With a good DSLR and Elgato wave link, camlink 4k and a couple of stream decks, it is good enough to stream with in a compact room without the need of bulky gaming pc's at your feet.
How does 2080 ti work on MAC OS? Huge performance or no? Did you guy test?
That has got to be the worst price to performance windows PC ever created.
Bootcamp windows*
And when did a Mac user ever care about performance? XD
Not necessarily.
If, like myself, you already own a Mac Mini, it's far cheaper to buy an eGPU than it is to build (or buy) a whole secondary PC.
If you were to build a PC for equal to or cheaper than the eGPU enclosure, you would be far more bottlenecked by the cheap CPU and low memory than you would be by the TB3 bandwidth.
narutodayo not really, you get OSX for everyday use, then Windows for gaming. You can also I think if you go the AMD route, play games with an EGPU in a Windows virtual machine in OSX, not sure what the performance hit is though. If your buying a high end graphics card for a PC build anyway, then an EGPU box can cost from 250, a lot cheaper then the components of a high end PC.
Just like PC, the smaller it is the more expensive it is.. What is PC's competition for a 6 core, up to 64 GB of ram (upgradable) system of this size? Yes you lose out on the soldered nvme, but you also already have the top of the line i7 8th gen proc.
I by no means like apple, but you need to be fair.
@@APhamx7 NUC. You can actually build your own mini-computer with a GTX 1070 (Zotac ZBOX EN1070). You can even build your own computer with better thermals and *it is upgradable,* somthing the Mac Mini isnt.
Mac OS X recognizes AMD gpus natively.
indeed im using amd Radeon VII works perfectly
yes, but then you're gaming in MacOS... yikes
the price of the egpu along is 300-400 bucks, in fact thats how much i build my node 202 setup,
i3 8100 = 100
16gb 3600mhz ram = 100
node 202+ 450w psu = 100
mini itx mobo = 100
big difference is this setup doesnt have the egpu penalty tb3 have. and no cpu throttling either.
i know building is not for everything but my situation it worked out quite well. plus i don't have to put my mbp through intense heat cycle everytime i wanna game.
At the end of the day it seems easier, cheaper AND more future-proof to just build an mITX computer, parking it alongside the Mini. Less expensive storage, less expensive RAM, less GPU bottlenecking, less compatibility issues etc.
Got a killer windows gaming PC but got a Mac Mini for my editing needs and its also my first ever Mac computer. Lugging a mac mini with an eGPU is a 1000x better than lugging my gigantic super heavy desktop to a friends house or LAN party.
Why is Apple’s relationship with Nvidia so bad ? I mean, it almost looks like Apple is trying to do ANYTHING at all to prevent us from any kind of gaming. WHY ?!?!
Note that Apple hardware doesn’t support 4K at 60Hz over HDMI. You must use DisplayPort or Mini DP, even if you’re converting from Thunderbolt 3/USB-C.
u have one of the best mic setups of all the channels i follow
always love hearing ur voice
n damn this mac mini is lovely ... best mac device apple has produced this year
Can this setup be used instead of gaming, video/photo editing? Can you explain
external GPU and maybe us FCPX or would it be windows based software?
Great video! Will this actually work on a Mac Mini 2020 also? I work mainly on Mac, but still want to play Windows games in my spare time. This would be great so i wouldnt need to buy 2 Systems and i still have a GTX 1080 lying around to be used.
For everyone completely confused, the point of this is for people like myself who use OSX professionally (nearly every developer I know), don't like Windows, don't like Linux on the desktop and want to just flip to Windows to play a game at full fidelity once a week then flip right back to OSX when done. And no, I don't want to build a hackintosh anymore. I've built hackintoshes for a decade. I'm sick and tired of wasting a weekend every 6 months when my hackintosh (which I'm currently typing this on) breaks. And I don't even remotely need what a Mac Pro comes with (ECC ram, etc). I don't want an iMac because I already have 34" monitors. I already own a GTX1080. Now I just need a mini and an egpu. Yeah, we're not a huge market but this is one of the reasons something like this exists.
So the Mac Mini with an egpu will makes a great machine for someone like me.
Well done! One of the few videos showing the 2018 Mac Mini with an eGPU. I noticed, however, that the HDMI cable was disconnected after the eGPU was hooked up. That is great as long as using Windows. However, when going back to MacOS, does this solution work with the eGPU or does it mean the user would have to unplug the displayport and plug the HDMI port between the MacMini and Monitor? It can get a bit annoying especially if the monitor ports are not as easily accessible (e.g. if wall mounted etc.). Thanks!
Cooling wise I don’t think it’s viable I would think it would thermal throttle
Why would you do this... With the price of a 2080 and gpu dock you can built a new system
Not to mention with the price of the $600 external SSD he's using.
narutodayo yeah. With the price of a gtx 2080 gpu dock and that ssd you can built a system with 1080ti 2700x. Better than that poor mac mini
Kerim Amet i guess he is doing that to test it on a Mac only? XD
Kerim Amet But then you can’t run macOS.
Because EVGA sent him the card.
can I use the nvidia egpu for windows bootcamp on my imac 2019 and use the internal radeon pro 570x for the macOS partition?
When u increase the res, it becomes more GPU intensive and less CPU bound. Don't expect great results on 1080p. You will get stutters.
I'm intrigued by this because I'm considering getting a Mac Mini with an eGPU for photo and video work...for whatever reason, I don't want to get another iMac, especially as it by this point is somewhat outdated (I'm also perfectly happy with my 4k LG monitor), but I also don't wanted to get a 2018 MacBook Pro because the model I'd want to get-with 32GB-would still be at least $500 or more than the equivalent Mini plus a modest eGPU, not to mention all of the reported keyboard and flexgate issues the newer MacBooks have with the butterfly keyboard (I currently use a 2014 MBP that would be me my travel computer for mobility). So I wonder how this would work for what I am wanting?
I did this to my MacBook pro with aorus gaming box and the only downside is that you're required to have an external monitor. To enable it on the internal, it requires a script that is buggy as hell. Besides that, some people manage to do some boot up changes to make the system recognize the gpu.
Price of Components would be too high with this configuration, I would imagine.
could you do a macbook air 2018 + eGPU next?
I am now looking at doing this , how do you get it to boot straight into windows on boot? Never done this before. Great video
I prefer mac OS for work but I need windows for games but I'm on a budget so I built a hackintosh 2 years ago running Mavericks with a 780Ti
Installation is a pain in the ass but it's worth it
Now Mojave doesn't run on newer Nvidia GPUs now anymore luckily Kepler is still supported natively by mojave
Now I am planning to buy an AMD card maybe RX580
Is it worth an upgrade?
Hey there 9-5 hosts. Thanks for a great video. Question: When you boot camp windows with the EGPU do you have to do anything special with the Mac for it to see the GPU since Mac does not play well with Nvidia? Thanks for all the great content.
Ok, if it works on Mac Mini, should also works with iMac too right?
have you bought an m1 mac?
will the card also work under Mac OS Mojave being recognised as a graphic card !?
Just disable the energy saving on the monitor and your are all set
Does an eGPU override the GPU in a laptop (Mac mini), or do the two work together?
Your voice sounds like the son of that scientist from Half Life 2.
Do i have to connect mac with the egpu first? Or after changing to windows
Why try so hard just build a cheap budget gaming pc for $500 or less and still have your Mac Mini 2018.
Because this is a cleaner setup. And I'm pretty sure installing windows is brain dead simple, so I'm not sure where the "try so hard" part comes in.
I was previously considering doing a Linux host MacOS/Win10 VM via qemu setup but have been pondering doing something similar to what you're suggesting over the last few days (Mac Mini + Ryzen/RTX PC where I'm accessing one or the other via remote connection over a 10Gbps Ethernet connection). Hell, why stop there? PS4 remote play on the Mac as well :p
Very cool videos. Thank you. Are you still going to do a report
on Blackmagic eGPU Pro? What do you think about Readon VII?
For this price shouldn't you just buy an Imac Pro?
@@AT-py6uq It's getting close. You would have much better performance in terms of processing power and graphical performance with the iMac. The iMac also comes with a beautiful 5K screen, and a decent amount of NVME storage.
or a surface studio
@@YasinHasan The apple is better than a surface studio, which I believe features a 7th gen quadcore. But, I guess it depends on what you are planning on using it for.
Yasin Hasan surface studio for gaming? I would expect the Mac mini setup to be better for that.
Jonas Munthe Flønes yes surface studio run games better than any mac ever
Anyone running a Mac Mini & an eGPU for console gaming recording?
What? So the rtx wasn’t limited by having a few pci lines only inside the thunderbolt? That is impressive, that was a full performance 2080
Total price of all?
Mini GPU razor core external ssd Windows 10
to much
Great video! Do you know whether it's possible to add more RAM manually?
Yes, here is my tutorial: th-cam.com/video/gQq4hLKv1Cc/w-d-xo.html
Hm, yet practically it's cheaper to build a gaming PC for a secondary machine and keep the Mac Mini in its original configuration running macOS on, isn't it? Am I wrong?
You will be CPU limited with those games but a tip for smoothness under Windows 10, engage Ultimate Performance Power Profile - you will need to look it up online for the command to enable it in Windows Home but then, it is a matter of using a Power Profile Switcher to use it for gaming. This keeps Windows from throttling anything down to save power.
I'm setting my Gigabyte Aero 15X with a 2080 eGPU so your video was interesting to see and confirms the reason I want the eGPU for - Higher Resolutions and Effects especially pertaining to VR with my Pimax 8K
hey Jeff, I really need your help, can you show in detail how to set up a amd graphic card in bootcamp, i always get the CODE 12 error from windows and i cant use my vega 56 in bootcamp! I really would appreciate if you would show the proper way to install all necessary drivers and amd x connect so amd graphic is supported in bootcamp.
Greetings from Switzerland:)
It's nice that this works, but if the card is not even supported by MacOS and requires physically switching cables around each time you want to use it, what's the point? Since the GPU is the most expensive part of a gaming build anyway, why not just build a dedicated machine at this point?
With that amount of money you can build a hackintosh beast
Best of both worlds, small partition for Mac OS and windows partition for great gaming. The only down side if at all is the combined price for which you could by a high end gaming laptop / small form factor PC but non the less, impressive.
the cost of an external gpu case would make it cheaper to just buy a case and build a separate pc which would have better performance as well
Hello, did you have to disable one of the PCIe x16 controllers? Did you get the Error-12 issue by any chance?
Nice! Rise of the Tomb Raider Benchmark would be a good one to run to compare the mini with egpu to other systems although the ultra wide monitor kinda changes the playing field as its pushing a lot of pixels so one would need the same monitor to compare your frame rates / performance. The EGPU is def way to go if you want to game with the new mini. I have an old 2010 12 core mac pro with a flashed 980ti, its a pretty sweat gaming setup in windows running at 2k. I just can't update to Mojave due to lack of drivers but for the money its hard setup to beat.
@@by_turluttu Afraid not as you can't just flash the card you need to install a larger memory chip to fit the bios from what I gather. Not as simple as flashing a R9 280x for example. But you can buy on ebay for around $350
Happy New year to Jeff and the 9to5 Mac team 🙋🏻♂️🇨🇴!
I sold my gaming pc for a mac mini m4 bc it's better for music production even though I had a power house of a pc problem is that my pc was to loud to much desk space etc but it's a solid machine not a fan of apple anymore sense I switched to samsung s24 ultra but this pc is great absolutely fantastic machine maybe one day egpu will be supported for mac I think it's. A fantastic system for what it is but if ya had a egpu man the money you would save. Mac mini m4 is 550$ on sale usually 600$ and a nice rx 7800xt for 480$ solid machine it would be
So, this made my decision, no Mac mini for gaming for me. But, in order to have a Mac for the OS and ecosystem of my phone, iPad, and watch, could I share a monitor with my PC and a Mac Mini and switch back and fourth as needed?
Quick question, When you did a hard shut down and disconnected the HDMI, why did you do that and connected the display ports? Why couldn't you just connect the HDMI cable from your mac mini to the HDMI port of the eGPU? is display ports better or something?
Do EGPU's work well with bootcamp on 2018 macbook pros as well?
LOVED This video! I just bought a MacBook PRO and will be receiving it on Thursday (I Can't wait!) I found this video to be quite interesting as I plan to use my Macbook with an eGPU and was leaning towards the Vega 64 since it is the fastest properly supported GFX card onthe Mac. However, I am interested inteh RTX 2080 as I wil be doing some gaming via BootCamp (~15%-20% gaming vs Creativity/Productivity.) I am comiong form the PC and I am an Adobe Creative Cloud user, and wanting to jump into doing some video work of my own. I am a novie at both Final Cut PRo and Adobe PRemiere and was looking to go the route of FInal CUt as my first video editor (THus IO was leaning towards teh Vega 64) My question, is how does FInal Cut Pro perfom with nVidia Cards? I realize FCP is optimized for AMD and AMD will be much faster, but thew qestion is "How much faster?" I would LOVE to see a copmparison of Final Cut Pro and Adobe Premiere on Vega 64 vs FCP & AP on RTX 2080. I will be buying my eGPU and video card next moth, so if you are up for a nice comparison video, I would LOVE To see it!
The 2080 of evga don't fit correctly in to external graphics case but the founder edition fit in the major part of the external graphics case
Some questions: What about egpu fans noise is it adding a lot of noise to the room? Is Mac mini actively using CPU fan while gaming in this case? Also is there a loss in FPS to compare to the same setup but with standard PC and PCIexpress? I am simply considering buying egpu but thinking to leave my Mac mini 2018 as is and buy pc box or buy egpu box and save on other PC internals in this case. Would it harm with overheating to Mac cpu in this case or wearing out cpu fan very fast?
Is there a work around for tb2 Mac minis now that apple has taken away all tb2 support for egpu's in the latest Mac osx versions?
So In your opinion which graphics card is better graphics wise for the Mac mini?
Just use the cash wasted in the eGpu and external drive to build a cheap Ryzen itx desktop and use the 2080 at almost full potential.
If you noticed he said if you already own a mac mini but don't wanna buy a gaming Laptop.
what if my monitor only has a single thunderbolt port. how do I connect the GPU to the monitor?
Try a more GPU intensive game, like Battlefield V, for example. Or, the latest Tomb Raider title.
8:11 good to know about the two left thunderbolt ports are bus zero and the two right thunderbolt ports are bus one, when hooking up an external SSD and an eGPU to the mac mini.
Hi my friend Can you tell me how much this gaming screen size is in the video
Just curious, with 4 thunderbolt 3 ports, can 4 egpus be plugged into the mac mini using windows 10?
If you use 2 thunderbolt 3 devices on the same bus that means that yoy have to shared the 40gbps or you're only making work harder the controller, I mean what I don't know is each bus has 1 thunderbolt 3 bandwith or it has double to be ready to give 40gbps to each device if are using the same bus
7:20min for a legit number... great video
runs great under windows - no surprise (too bad you couldn't test 2080Ti), but how it behaves under MacOS? Obviously drivers for Mac are missing, but I does it allow to video signal to pass through or you need to unplug eGPU to use MacOS?
What is the life span of all these parts?
Can I use a egpu without a chassis? I dont know anything about using these - but I want a Mac Mini and feel good about using peripheral parts because Id like to be able to clean them, replace them over time if necessary.
i have two external monitors, is it better to connect them to the eGPU or directly to the mac mini? both monitors use displayport. i dont use windows on my mac mini though, just regular macOS Catalina
I'm not good at tech, but I have mac mini 2014 and thinking of upgrading the graphics card to an external GPU. Say you upgrade to a really good graphics card like you have, such as Nvidia RTX 2080, but my mac mini processor power is only i5 2.8 GHz. Would it somehow overwork my mac mini if the video card would be working at very high performance but mac mini processor is not at the same level? Or it doesn't make any difference. Thanks.
I love you guys!!!! I’ve been waiting for this for so long!!! So what would the delta be using this card on a dedicated windows pc vs the Mac mini with egpu? Is there much of one at all? Thank you so much for being the first to show that this would work well with an Nvidia egpu. Tonite the Mac side of things do you have to change the inputs?
Does downgrading to High Sierra allow compatibility with nvidia gpus?
You need to include some better notes in your videos... like temps.. FPS... resolution per game, etc. gamers nexus videos are a good format to follow for these kinds of videos
If the egpu supports hot plug, it should work with Mac?
Interesting to see the temperature of the CPU in the games
Would this set up be good for music production using Mojave OS?
I need help here , I have imac latest 2017 (radeon pro555) and mantiz with radeon vega 64 inside. when i connect to windows 10 bootcamp, all screen goes to black screen. before it goes to blackscreen I saw win comp management recognize the radeon vega 64, but then all balck in few second. I need help here. I tried many methods but doesn't solve my problem yet.
can you pls make a video on how to use the rtx on mac without bootcamp on windows
Its impossible
I wish theres an external gpu with a dedicated cpu in it. Add a psu and monitor and u can game on it :)
If I had the financial resources, I would do a project like this. It would be fun. Anyone can build a PC. This project is unique. If you don't get it, then you don't get it.
Except this is not building a PC...
Seems like a lot of hassle and it may give you issues on the long run
Lol, just play that game for more than 5 mins and you will learn what thermal throttling is.
Hi, thx for your videos... I have a razer blade 17“ 2019 and a razer core x with a 2080ti. But i don‘t get them running together. I only get one card to work. If the external card works than my internal card get an error code 43. Do you have some tips to get them both running at same time? I need both cards for 3d rendering. Best regards Patrick
Did you try using the usb-c port on the RTX 2080 for display? I'm thinking getting one for using with a LG Ultrafine 4K 21.5
Holy F very nice informative video. Nice small details and everything lol subbed
It's sad to see the macmini needs 2 major external devices to make it a proper machine (eGPU and eStorage)
How is VR Performance on this setup? Does the New HL Game work?
You make it look so easy but I just cannot get this to work. Not sure if it’s the windows software or the fact that I’m only using hdmi and not display port. I figure that wouldn’t matter. Windows detects the video card but doesn’t allow me to install the drivers. Sometimes it doesn’t do anything at all.
How would this system perform editing videos with Premiere or Resolve?
Thanks for the video clip, Jeff. One question.
Can I use parallel 14 instead of boot camp to link up with eGPU using RTX 2080? Thanks.
If you are staying in MacOS use an AMD card since it is supported in the OS, you won't see any real benefit in a MacOS visualization environment like Parallels with an Nvidia card but you will see a big improvement with AMD. The Vega cards work very well in MacOS. Have a great day.
@@joesalyers Yeah, nvidia hasn't made drivers for mojave. (yet?)
@@dudeguy8553 Thanks.
@@joesalyers thanks.
@@dudeguy8553 Nvidia have drivers ready but Apple won't allow them.
Very good presentation! More games please...