Got the 2018 i7 64gb ram 500gb SSD, paired with a blackmagic EGPU Radeon pro 580 8gb. I use it with Premiere and After Effects, currently editing an hour long multicam project with 3 blackmagic pocket 4ks in BRAW. The performance is amazing, so good.
I suggest to upgrade only the CPU. Thunderbolt 3 is 40 Gbit/sec fast. Which is unbelievable. You can install programs into a Thunderbolt SSD disk and run them from there. It is much cheaper. The RAM from Apple is very expensive too. If it is ECC it is not expensive. But I doubt it is the premium ErrorCorectingCode RAM like that of Mac Pro. The 100$ 10Gbit Ethernet isn't expensive. But if you don't really need it now, you can buy a Thunderbolt adapter to 10Gbit Ethernet later. Thunderbolt is very versatile.
i got the i7. 16gbs ram, and 512gb hd. with a rx rx epu. total cost 2400 euros. super smooth. my first mac. just used my videocard from my pc and got the egpu case from amazon for 250.
I own one of these i7, 256GB storage and 16 GB memory. It was ordered as the NY event closed and the store came online, so I have had mine about as long as anyone not getting a preview from Apple would. It replaced a MacBook Pro 13" Retina 2015 generation. I have not seen the high temperatures you describe as "always" on the top of your device. I have tried it sitting as you have and usually have it vertical in a metal stand and it has never gotten hot or even warm. My usage is not so much video editing, but I do rip and transcode BluRay and DVD files with Handbrake and have heard the fans spin up, but not anything too excessive. The rest of my use is pretty common apps and Parallels running Windows 10 Pro. I commonly multitask my Mac mini with multiple windows open to include streaming media (TH-cam TV, for example) and any number of other apps. I would suggest you might check with Apple regarding the heat you are measuring on the device as maybe there is a problem. The mini should also be more robust than using a laptop as the CPU is a desktop grade and not a mobile processor version like the MBP. I am considering an eGPU but want to wait and see what the best combo is before buying. I would love to see a combo hub/eGPU in a housing that matches the mini's size and shape. It does not have to be a bleeding edge GPU, just a decent discrete one. Finally there are many of us who want a Mac but do not want a laptop or an iMac. The mini is quite good as a headless Mac that can be used with any display. Mine is connected to an H-P 32" UHD display which is well suited to my use. Some users concerned about security also do not have to worry about mic or camera hacking as there is not one of either built in.
I've just got the i5 base model as I think that's the best value plus I got 150 cashback. I'll upgrade the ram later. Main reason I'm ok with that is I've got the HP Omen eGPU box with a RX580 and a 1TB SSD inside of that. Do wish the i5 had hyperthreading but six cores is still pretty good and not all apps use hyperthreading. Nice thing with this combo is I've got mac OS for work on a desktop grade CPU and then a 50GB windows partition for gaming. VMs stored on the external ssd in the Omen. Still got about 100GB on the internal so anything that can take advantage of the internal speeds I still can.
Well, Apple is really pricing themselves out for so many people. I'm a big Mac OS fanboy, but once they announced this little thing, I built myself a PC. First one since 2008. It has 8th gen i7, gtx1080, 32gb of ram, water cooled, 1tb nvme ssd and a big, fat and beautiful case. It costs less then your mini, and is way more powerful. I'm done with Apple tax, especially since my keyboard on MBP failed 4 (FOUR!) times. I was glad to pay up when everything worked, but it doesn't anymore. And T2 kernel panics are a nightmare as well. I will wait 3-4 years, then I will check macs again, since I love Mac OS so much. If Apple doesn't reverse course, well, I will keep up with windows. I would like to use Manjaro Linux, but Unity3D isn't that great on Linux :(
Do this....spec out one of these how you want it, but remember to do it the cost effective way and get 8gb of RAM and upgrade it yourself (you can save $400 upgrading to 32gb on your own for example). Go with 512gb SSD and run an external one for regular files and data, and save a crap ton of money. Pick an eGPU (I suggest the Razer Core X for $300) and a graphics card (the RX580 he used is a great card for the price around $200). If you want to go with an Ultrawide Monitor, throw that in on the price. And heck, throw in a keyboard and mouse while your at it. Then spec out an iMac Pro or MacBook Pro with similar specs. You will be save over $2k on the iMac Pro and about $1000-$1500 on a MacBook Pro. And in both cases have a better system that you can upgrade the monitor and video card whenever you feel like it. So when you compare Apples to Apples you see very easily that the new Mac Mini isn't all that expensive when you consider it's a "Pro Device". Use the Pro Device term and this device makes much more sense.
@@8654ZuluFoxtrot What about comparing Apple to Logical computer that is cheaper and more powerful. The only thing Apple fanboys can say is; Mac is smaller and has MacOS....and cost 80% more.
@@GeckoClever None of what you just wrote is even remotely correct. All I see is someone who has probably never owned a Mac crying. Name a comparable PC product that is spec'd exactly the same and is 80% cheaper. Please....were waiting.
@@8654ZuluFoxtrot No PC is exactly like this because people buy a PC to be reliable and powerful, not cheap and underpowered. You can build a PC on many websites that give a better price than this, and put in a GPU if you wanted to. Stop thinking you know more than me, iSheep. I know everything about a computer, how it is made, how it works, how it thinks. I'm not an apple user that gets their information from biased youtubers and twitter as you do. *Amazon:* CPU + Motherboard: Intel Core i3-8100 + ASUS PRIME Z370-A *$274.98* Case: MasterBox Q300L *39.99* RAM: Ballistix 8GB DDR4 2666MHz *$69.49* SSD: Intel 760p 128 GB *$76.48* PSU: EVGA 450W *$29.99* Mac Mini: $799 Custom PC: *$490.93* Difference: 38.60% Mac Mini, the only thing that is upgradable is the Ram. The custom computer can last forever because everything is upgradable. The 80% was an exaggeration, ONLY if you look at the base model. *Try and upgrade the Mac Mini to 2TB. It's overpriced.* Windows 10 can be installed for FREE on Microsoft's website.
If you're using the monitor connected to the Mac you're losing a lot of performance, try connecting your monitor to the egpu so data travels one way only
Actually eGPUs today in 2020 connected to Mac Minis are starting to demolish the iMac 5K 27" and getting pretty damn close to the iMac Pros for a great price
What Apple is doing now is giving us options. I used to have a MacBook Pro for the very reason you stated. But I no longer need portability and I want the small form factor and upgradability of this Mac Mini, I can use whatever monitor I want (and I want to use an UltraWide) and I can use whatever GPU I want, even Nvidia cards can be used with a workaround. People don't need to argue about these devices, you simply need to sit down and weigh out the pros and cons and pick the one that best suits your needs.
Apple Bits Not really, for a similar spec it’s more like $700 difference especially if you look for deals out there. The MacBook Pro also includes a built in keyboard w/ touchbar, trackpad and best in class display and speakers. Even more compact than Mac Mini and portable.
I have the 2014 mini and I'm using all 4 usb port and 2, 4 port usb hubs! I don't think I could manage all of my peripherals with only two usb ports! So now I'll have to lay out more cash for thunderbolt to usb connectors? Thanks again Apple!
Nice to see results but I wanted to see it hooked up. I've thought of getting one of these as a portable computer. Add a portable Retina monitor, mechanical keyboard and mouse and it provides ports, replaceable display, replaceable keyboard and fewer thermal issues than the MacBook Pros.
Thank you Soooo much for this video. You more than answered my question. I just bought a 15 inch MBP w/ 16GB RAM. But the 2018 Mac mini came up on my radar & I was thinking about swapping while still in my return period. I just started my own TH-cam channel and use iMovie currently. However, I know Final Cut will be in my future. After watching several vids on TH-cam about the weak graphic card on the Mini, I was debating if investing in a eGPU was worth the cost or just stick with the MBP. The MBP is still more expensive. But the price difference, even with 3rd party RAM & eGPU added, is worth keeping the MBP. I love the display on it. I love the Touch Bar & Touch ID. But mostly, I just cannot give up my mobility to edit anywhere on my laptop. Thanks again!👍
Thanks for this. Would you consider doing a video on EGUs in general and when they are beneficial? I shoot 4K science films and do everything inhouse except the color and final audio mix. I'm wondering how much it would improve my workflow if I used an EGU.
Great review, Aaron! I would like to know how long the MacBook Air will take to do the same video export with an eGPU connected. Could you test that? Thanks
Great review Aaron. Did you actually get the LG 34WK95U-W monitor to work with 2018 mac mini at full 5K 5120 x 2160 resolution over TB3 without eGPU? I am considering the LG 34WK95U-W for my 2018 mac mini; however, there are many conflicting opinions regarding the ability of mac mini to connect to this monitor at full resolution. I would appreciate your guidance.
Should I decide to setup another Apple desktop system I'd go with a Mini too. Have an old 27" iMac. Overpriced like almost all Apple products. Good to know there are companies like Sonnet with eGPU's. Should any one feel the need for one.
If you want to get into macOS it's better to check used parts such as MacBook Pro 2012 (still supported by macOS latest version). It will cost you around 300 bucks. Or you could try hackintoshing...
Can someone explain how a older generation and slower clock speed i7 with 16GB less ram AND a mobile dedicated GPU beat the Mac Mini setup with a eGPU???? Isn't that the whole point of upgrading hardware, what has happened here
Thanks for the video. All I can add is that after getting very excited by the Mac Mini I ended up jumping to a dell gaming laptop (£934 versus £2.5k for the equivalent Mac) after hearing about the throttling on an i7 inside the Mac Mini chassis. Real hard sell for video work especially when combined with the lack of a dedicated GPU.
Hey so I really dig your video. I'm looking to getting one thinking I7 8gb 256 or just go i5? Buying the 32 gigs of RAM and doing it myself. Eventually I wanna use an egpu and here's my question. Which should I get? I'm only using Lightroom and photoshop so I know it doesn't need to be a Vega 64 lol but thoughts on some recommendations? I'm shooting with a Sony A7r3 and 85mb 14bit raw files. Currently using a 2012 Mac mini i7 16gb 256 SSD.
The only spec I upgrade is the CPU. With the money you save doing your own RAM an staying with base storage, you can add external storage an reasonably good GPU. Also this is not a machine you want to do any heavy graphic editing over a period of 8-16 hours a day, every day.
My choice would be to Get the i7/8g/128gb SSD which is around $999. Well worth the money because of TB3 ports. Rest can be added externally. Btw I don’t own a MacBook. I’m a FCPX user.
I keep looking at this Mac Mini. First off, thank you for the video, comparing it to other models with & without an eGPU. My current Mac is an iMac 5K late 2014 model. No longer under warranty and suffering from over heating. It's already had it's heat sync replaces, along with other parts, while it was under warranty. Of course right after the warranty expired, the issues returned. Wondering if I should try having my current iMac repaired (may or may not cost a lot) or if I should invest in a high-end Mac Mini or wait to see what the rumored Mac Pro will bring. I mostly just watch streamed games on Twitch while maybe messing around in Photoshop or playing a little Ark (back when Ark actually worked flawlessly on my iMac, but patches broke the game).
I would say the iMac line has a way better value. I can see why you'd go with the Mac Mini, especially if you already have a monitor, but I'd still go with the iMac Pro and just use an external display if desired. People don't really need a "portable desktop" unless they're moving it consistently around the house like I am with my iMac 27" 5K, up and down the stars, from my studio to the living room, gets annoying.
We bought a 27 inch 2010 iMac. The video board died two years ago and Apple doesn't support it any longer. I have talked about getting it repaired but it's not really worthwhile. So a great 27 inch display is gathering dust in the basement. The things that break on MacBook Pros: keyboards, inverters, displays, graphics chips. I work at home and at the office and could just take the Mini back and forth.
Why is the MacBook Pro 2017 faster than the mac mini? I mean, the Mac Mini has a faster clock speed as well as 2 extra cores, and twice the ram and a better gpu, why is it slower?
@@BitPlayYT If it was a timeline with a 4k video with no added graphic, color grading, transitions etc, the mac mini would have been faster but if you add graphic? the GPU makes a huge difference in timeline performance and rendering this timeline. The mac mini is good for people who don't need the power of GPU, for the rest Apple want you to buy it's more expensive products as the imac, imac pro or the macbook pro.
@@CartubeCoIl Hmm that makes sense, but the MacBook Pro used with the benchmark at 5:38 has a weaker GPU and the Mac Mini has a better eGPU (RX 580) and still the Macbook Pro is faster
It use $220 i5 8500 cpu, $90 8gigs RAM, $200 pcie SSD, iPhone size basic motherboard and low power psu. What Apple charging extra $400-500 for. Aluminium chassis?
if i have the money i think i may buy a ipad pro 11 for portability and because im not into edited video but a nice device for different kind of person. Great video!
I literally have this exact model and configuration. I will be adding an eGPU with Vega 64. I suspect my export times will be somewhat faster than this. We will see.
@@lukekenny3242 Yes. I do have it now. I will be testing out several 4k 60 files and their render, effects, and export times. I will post them this weekend.
@@RockyColaFizz I have it already and the eGPU does not make a difference on export as compression only uses the CPU not the eGPU. eGPU is used for rendering and effects not for codecs really from what I can see
@@Interceptor121 In my initial findings I noted the following. For a 3 minute 4K 60FPS file that I export out at 4k 30FPS in H.264. It takes 3 minutes 31 seconds to export without eGPU. With the Vega 64 eGPU it took 2 minutes and 46 Seconds. A time savings of about 45 seconds - or to scale it as a percentage it saved about 20%. So if you were doing a very large export it would make a small but noticeable difference. However when applying effects on a 10 minute 4k file the difference was huge. I added a stabilization effect and a crisp contrast to the file and the total time to render it without the eGPU was 55 minutes. With the eGPU it was 22 minutes. So that is certainly where the differences are clear.
Liquid Valium It will only make a difference when you have a ‘complex’ timeline with a lot of effect etc and in my test no difference with prores. Probably h264 is different but i dont use it with fcpx. For render and effects ir stabilisation instead it makes a huge different
I really hope Apple updates the Mac mini again and this time at least add the option of a dedicated graphics card. A 4gb and 8gb option would be perfect.
You could have saved 900 dollars for the same ram and 1128 gb of ssd storage if you would have used a samsung ssd and upgraded the ram yourself. Doesn’t seem like the effort is worth almost a grand. Ssd shouldn’t really affect performance. As far as I know apple used slower ssds in the mini compared to the macbook pro. An external ssd should be good enough
4:40 - It's warm because heat is dissipating - externally...it has got to go somewhere! If you don't feel it, it means the internal is getting hotter and hotter (assuming the unit is running)...till it reaches a high point of thermal equilibrium. Thermal dynamics. @5:36 - You need to work on your PowerPoint presentation / layout skill.
Not in the same league as this guy but.. Just had fitted a 1tb SSD to my 2009 4gb Mac mini. The performance upgrade has blown me away. Reboot times and app launches are brisk. It's like a new machine! £240 all in.. 😀
I had huge problems with a noisy fan after adding an SSD to a pre-existing HDD, fitting dual drives in a mid-2011 model. Only a small improvement was made when alone leaving the SSD in there. As long as I don´t run a lot of video the noise is subtle. Of course, the speed of an SSD was and is very noticeable. I later chose a rather expensive route in adding to add external SSDs in a thunderbolt bay, to dual-boot systems, e.g. other versions of OS, Windows, Linux etc. No doubt USB C will bring closer alternatives to connecting directly to the internal PCI port or a - non-existing - eSATA port.
Once we start summing up $2600 + eGPU + external display, mouse, keyboard, etc.., we're getting close to $3900 (price of certified refurbished iMac Pro) really fast.
Mac has become recently a bit too heavy on the price. The reason customer buys mac is the software. But now we are facing computers that are at least double in price comparing to the same thing in windows version. This again brings up the question isn't it better just to go back to windows and simply buy the software that you will need again and get a faster computer or keep paying a premium price . For me I don't play games so build in video card more than sufficient . I don't have the answer but I do hope Apple gets around and makes some price corrections because there sales are going down and I am planning to get a new laptop but I want to see more value for the money.
Have you made sure FCPX is set to "prefer external GPU" in Mojave? In my experience FCPX is bad about not fully utilizing an eGPU when exporting/rendering unless you force it. I've used an RX 580 eGPU with my 2016 15" MBP which is very similar to the 2017 one you test here, and when forcing eGPU use, it can do a BruceX export twice as fast compared to without the eGPU.
This is been my experience across all the MacBooks that I’ve used with the EGPU. With exports over 10 minutes, you normally will see about a 25% gain when exporting in my experience. I think some of it has to do with you not getting the full bandwidth of the video card as to one plugged into a board itself.
@@zollotech In the video, you said that you connected the egpu to the Mac mini, and the display to the Mac mini as well. Instead, you should connect the display to the egpu. You're loosing a lot of TB3 bandwidth if you force it to output the image through the Mac mini's display port.
What resolution are you able to achieve with the LG 34WK95U-W and Sonnet eGPU, and which port? I have this same set-up with monitor and mini. I was using a Razer Core X eGPU with an ASUS AMD Vega 64 Card. But the best resolution I could get out of it was 3440x1440 over the DisplayPort port, and that didn't seem right (all the letters were slightly fuzzy). The Vega 64 seized up after a week so I returned both so I can get the BlackMagic eGPU Pro and connect via Thunderbolt whenever it becomes available (hopefully).
Correct me if I am wrong. Seems to me, FCPX not fully utilize eGPU in exporting video. How about color correction and color grading work? Is there any significant difference? I have a max out macbook pro mid 2012 with an old integratedGPU. I am still hesitant to upgrade to the newest macbook pro for video editing work. I think I would be better saving more money if I buy mac mini i5 + eGPU(rx580) instead and still keep my old macbook (+ipad pro) for mobile. I am just not sure at the moment about the performance of mac mini combined with eGPU for graphic intense work on FCPX. Let me know what you think. Thank you
I imagine an eGPU stackable with the Mini and with a proper GPU would sell like hotcakes. Not much point in getting a tiny computer if the eGPU enclosure attached to it is the size of a mITX system like most of them are.
When testing the new Mac mini, did you notice any hissing noise (very faint) coming from the inside? Thats what I can hear from my Mac Mini (the exact same setup)... not permanently, but mostly when doing I/O operations... should I regard that as a flaw and return the device to Apple?
The problem is Apple never figure out RAM and SSD are all price drop hugely. Apple charges RAM and SSD extremely overpriced. so you get nothing faster if you pay $4000 for only upgrade RAM and SSD.
Only if you don't have your system drive on external storage. An external ssd and an enclosure that supports either usb 3.1 or thunderbolt 3 speeds is waaaay cheaper than buying the storage from apple! Samsung evo ssd's are about to go on sale for black friday too, I was pretty happy when I found out about that.
Okay processor, good RAM, nice that the RAM is upgradable, small SSD, but fast, good IO, paltry graphics processor. They ask too much money for what it is. 6/10. It's a definite improvement over the 2014 Mac mini.
Nope. The MacBook Pro has a dedicated GPU which can run at full speed. Even though thunderbolt 3 is fast it only can push about 80% of the actual speed of the gpu. While I did not have many thermal issues with the Mac mini, the 2017 MacBook Pro doesn’t throttle or dip in speed hardly at all. My 2017 MacBook Pro also beat the 218 MacBook Pro for the same reason earlier this year. The tests are setup exactly the same. In fact if you connect an eGPU on one of the new 2018 MacBooks it will slow it down because it can’t handle the heat of having to process data from that eGPU as well. There are many others who found the same thing
@@zollotech would you say Macbook Pro with 32gb/512gb + Vega 20 as portable and main home system would be better than Mac Mini 32gb/512gb w/ eGPU? you could always add an eGPU to the Macbook pro and additional storage chassis via tb3..
I wasn’t clear on the heat factor when using an external gpu. When using two monitors my computer gets very hot and the fan kicks in loud. Will using an external gpu lower the temp when rubbing two screens?
Thanx for the review! I'm looking to get the exact same setup for a second editing PC. Have you tried RAW or Braw playback 4K or 4.6K with this? I know it's not going to be enough with grades and effects added. But looking for smooth playback only.
Thanks very much for this video ;) That rendering-times page surely made this even more useful. And i'm glad you're not yet another gamer..doing this. I wanted to get a cheaper Mac, hence the Mini approach..as my Audio Workstation machine. But if i want to get an eGPU later, for 3d Graphic Work as i also do a lot of CAD, .. --->> you're saying that i might as well get the iMac..is that it ? Going for the Mini, i would probably get the : i7 3.2 6-core, 512Gb SSD model, 10Gb ethernet, 8Gb of RAM, and get 64G aftermarket.. installing it myself ( 360€, instead of 1200€ ) So that would be in total 2230€. (not factoring in a monitor, evidently) The i5 iMac (6-core) with the same approach is 2700+360= 3060€. albeit WITH the 27" 5k screen, but only 2 Tb3 ports, and WITH a Radeon Pro 580X 8Gb GPU, but only 1Gb ethernet The HP Z27 is a very solid 4K _ 32"_ display for ~500€. Unless one goes for an i9 CPU..that the Mini doesn't feature.. i reckon the Mini might still cut it. How much will a eGPU + enclosure be ? ~400€ ? (RX580 + Sonnet 350W) What do you reckon .. Any input on this ? Thank you
This is a good video for someone in my position. This year I'm pushing hard to be a more successful professional freelance motion graphics designer & video editor. I primarily work off my 13 inch, Mid 2012 MacBook Pro its specs are: 2.5 GHz Intel Core i5 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 Intel HD Graphics 4000 1536 MB 1 TB SSD (That I added to it myself following TH-cam tutorials) *I pair my MacBook Pro with my ASUS MX27AQ display that I LOVE!!!! 1) I use Adobe Creative Cloud and the programs I use the most are After Effects CC 2018/19 & Premiere Pro CC 2018/19 will the Mac Mini 2018 be a good option for me? 2) Since the RAM is upgradable and I can install it myself (this does scare me because I don't want to break the product) what is the best option for a guy like me just starting out as a freelancer but wanting to have a good workstation with the Apple ecosystem? 3) Should I buy an eGPU to pair with my Mac Mini because I use After Effects & Premiere Pro for most of the few gigs I do get? What is the best kind of eGPU for someone in my position? 4) Lastly, should I buy a new monitor or continue using my ASUS MX27AQ that I love once I purchase the Mac Mini? Thanks for this video and I would love the responses & suggestions by people P.S.- I will eventually learn Cinema 4D but again I primarily use After Effects & Premiere Pro so that's where my bread is buttered and my focus lies...
I am in the same boat as you are. Currently running things for my video editing off the early MacBook Air. Now, thinking of upgrading to the base model Mac mini and going for an eGPU solution. Sonnet has good options (especially if you are on a budget) and from there, you can add any GPU that is in your budget and requirements. Also, if your work is mainly photo, eGPU won't change anything. Photoshop is CPU heavy and hardly uses GPU (internal or external)
Okey people get it its expensive but while your Hyper tower of an I9 with 18 cores is faster that's not what you are paying for when you buying a mac mini you buy it for the EXTREAMLY small form factor and Mac OS.... it all depends on what you care the most about some people don't mind spending 2k$ or even 4k$ just to get that high spec with a really small form factor..
what's the max number of displays you can connect with an eGPU plus internal ports? I would love to make a 6 screen hull hd setup in my studio with a mac mini...but so far it seems 3 is max no matter what. anyone chime in?
I'm also planning on getting an i7 mac mini with that same egpu, do you know if the egpu allows for hardware encoding on certain apps? I know OBS allows for hardware encoding while streaming on a windows computer, so I'm wondering if it works the same way on a mac with an egpu...
So, you buy an expensive Mac mini, add an expensive egpu to get render time of 2018 MacBook pro 13 for cheaper price. The Mac mini should have been $200 cheaper or have some modular eGPU (and not these giants egpu we have today) that people will be able to buy if the wanted - to keep it a portable system.
And also add an external SSD and find that your 'mini' PC consumes more space on your table than a standard ATX case. Not saying, the ATX case stands on the floor and consumes zero space on your table.
The Mac Mini has desktop professors, that instantly makes it much more powerful then any MacBook Pro and maybe the iMac too. So I’m not sure why you would claim to buy those computers that are not as powerful as the Mini.
marksapollo Exactly, the processors, along with eGPU options means it outperforms all current iMacs. Graphically it can outperform the iMac Pro but of course not the CPU.
Please help ! We´ve bought Mac Mini 2018. The mini was conected to many LCD by HDMI. Picture is terrible, not sharp, its too smudged. We have tested five monitors and pictures are still terrible. From resolution 1920x1080, 1920x1200 to 2560x1440. We have tried conected form usb-c by reduction to display port, still its terrible. Any idea ? Many thanks for any tips.
Only if you need the 5k screen. I ended up deciding on a mac mini over the imac since I don't need a 5k screen or apple's expensive keyboard and mouse...even after factoring in the cost of an egpu, I realized I would be saving a thousand bucks going with a mac mini instead!
Main advantage of the mini is as long as you get the i5 or i7 you can add stuff on that you want without paying loads at point of sale for less good components. 256GB SSD fine if you use thunderbolt 3 storage (for 90% of users). I've got an older iMac already that I could use in target display. TBH I've got my mini eGPU linked to a 24 inch Matte 75hrz freesync display that is currently £90 on Amazon. Not all mac mini users are video editors so this suits my text and gaming needs better for a lot less and more powerful then anything outside mac or iMac pro (that runs mac os officially).
The thing I really hate about the iMac concept is that screens usually outlive processors and other computer parts. I also prefer high-end mechanical keyboards over the stuff from Apple, whether its their external keyboards or their MacBook keyboards.
Nice video! Although I'm not going to buy a web surfing Mac for 800$...who is this for again? I really hope Apple releases an iMac with reasonable price/performance, otherwise I'm not buying another Apple Mac anything.
you can build a mac mini 2018 with i7 and 32gb ram and 512 ssd for 1700, much cheaper than macbook pro even if you get a rx580 added so sounds like most of you guys don't really know mac prices before you comment
Do you know if it's possible to run the primary monitor from an attached eGPU? I have a 2018 Mac Mini and a Razor Core X, only issue i'm having is the need to have a secondary screen attached directly to the HDMI port on the MM. Any help would be much appreciated.
@@zollotech How? Without disabling FileVault to bypass the password prompt, i can't see a way to achieve a setup without having a display device directly connected to the Mac Mini. Have you achieved this somehow? Would be really awesome if you could share how you\ve managed it..
@@zollotech Understood - thanks for taking the time to respond. So if we want to keep FileVault enabled, we'll need a second screen attached directly.. I think that answers it. Come on Apple, patch this please! :D
In many years of IT experience and others I know that have Mac environments, they all disable FileVault because it causes all sorts of problems. Keep in mind, the drive is encrypted by default anyway, FileVault just encrypts all the files on the fly.
Use a high pass filter on your dialog audio... it'll get rid of those thumps and plosives... sounds like your mic is picking up vibrations from your table. Or... send me you videos and I'll fix it all for you... :)
I have a 2009 mac pro that was upgraded for a whole lot less, and would make this computer look a turtle. Sorry Apple, but you didn't even try on this computer.
Great vid. Have you tried the eGPU on port 1 and the SSD on port 3? That would put each unit on a separate TB3 controller.
debating getting this or a 16pro with an ultrawide .
Got the 2018 i7 64gb ram 500gb SSD, paired with a blackmagic EGPU Radeon pro 580 8gb. I use it with Premiere and After Effects, currently editing an hour long multicam project with 3 blackmagic pocket 4ks in BRAW. The performance is amazing, so good.
thats what I'm planning to have but with the 1TB ssd, any advice ?
@@cirian75 it is good but honestly at this point I'd invest in the Mac Studio instead.
Full eGPU review? where?
I was expecting a gaming review too.
Direktörn yeah where is that
Use your imagination dammit
@@koenignero dammit
I suggest to upgrade only the CPU. Thunderbolt 3 is 40 Gbit/sec fast. Which is unbelievable. You can install programs into a Thunderbolt SSD disk and run them from there. It is much cheaper.
The RAM from Apple is very expensive too. If it is ECC it is not expensive. But I doubt it is the premium ErrorCorectingCode RAM like that of Mac Pro.
The 100$ 10Gbit Ethernet isn't expensive. But if you don't really need it now, you can buy a Thunderbolt adapter to 10Gbit Ethernet later.
Thunderbolt is very versatile.
Only the RAM is upgradeable, from what I´ve seen. If you can show a video of a CPU upgrade of the 2018 Mac Mini, I´d consider it.
The cheapest way to get into a Mac in to buy refurbished
i got the i7. 16gbs ram, and 512gb hd. with a rx rx epu. total cost 2400 euros. super smooth. my first mac. just used my videocard from my pc and got the egpu case from amazon for 250.
I own one of these i7, 256GB storage and 16 GB memory. It was ordered as the NY event closed and the store came online, so I have had mine about as long as anyone not getting a preview from Apple would. It replaced a MacBook Pro 13" Retina 2015 generation.
I have not seen the high temperatures you describe as "always" on the top of your device. I have tried it sitting as you have and usually have it vertical in a metal stand and it has never gotten hot or even warm.
My usage is not so much video editing, but I do rip and transcode BluRay and DVD files with Handbrake and have heard the fans spin up, but not anything too excessive. The rest of my use is pretty common apps and Parallels running Windows 10 Pro. I commonly multitask my Mac mini with multiple windows open to include streaming media (TH-cam TV, for example) and any number of other apps.
I would suggest you might check with Apple regarding the heat you are measuring on the device as maybe there is a problem. The mini should also be more robust than using a laptop as the CPU is a desktop grade and not a mobile processor version like the MBP.
I am considering an eGPU but want to wait and see what the best combo is before buying. I would love to see a combo hub/eGPU in a housing that matches the mini's size and shape. It does not have to be a bleeding edge GPU, just a decent discrete one.
Finally there are many of us who want a Mac but do not want a laptop or an iMac. The mini is quite good as a headless Mac that can be used with any display. Mine is connected to an H-P 32" UHD display which is well suited to my use. Some users concerned about security also do not have to worry about mic or camera hacking as there is not one of either built in.
I've just got the i5 base model as I think that's the best value plus I got 150 cashback. I'll upgrade the ram later. Main reason I'm ok with that is I've got the HP Omen eGPU box with a RX580 and a 1TB SSD inside of that. Do wish the i5 had hyperthreading but six cores is still pretty good and not all apps use hyperthreading. Nice thing with this combo is I've got mac OS for work on a desktop grade CPU and then a 50GB windows partition for gaming. VMs stored on the external ssd in the Omen. Still got about 100GB on the internal so anything that can take advantage of the internal speeds I still can.
How's the eGPU working on the Windows partition? I've heard both great and so so great things when it comes to that.
Well, Apple is really pricing themselves out for so many people.
I'm a big Mac OS fanboy, but once they announced this little thing, I built myself a PC. First one since 2008. It has 8th gen i7, gtx1080, 32gb of ram, water cooled, 1tb nvme ssd and a big, fat and beautiful case. It costs less then your mini, and is way more powerful.
I'm done with Apple tax, especially since my keyboard on MBP failed 4 (FOUR!) times. I was glad to pay up when everything worked, but it doesn't anymore. And T2 kernel panics are a nightmare as well. I will wait 3-4 years, then I will check macs again, since I love Mac OS so much. If Apple doesn't reverse course, well, I will keep up with windows. I would like to use Manjaro Linux, but Unity3D isn't that great on Linux :(
Marin K. Hackintosh?
Do this....spec out one of these how you want it, but remember to do it the cost effective way and get 8gb of RAM and upgrade it yourself (you can save $400 upgrading to 32gb on your own for example). Go with 512gb SSD and run an external one for regular files and data, and save a crap ton of money. Pick an eGPU (I suggest the Razer Core X for $300) and a graphics card (the RX580 he used is a great card for the price around $200). If you want to go with an Ultrawide Monitor, throw that in on the price. And heck, throw in a keyboard and mouse while your at it.
Then spec out an iMac Pro or MacBook Pro with similar specs. You will be save over $2k on the iMac Pro and about $1000-$1500 on a MacBook Pro. And in both cases have a better system that you can upgrade the monitor and video card whenever you feel like it. So when you compare Apples to Apples you see very easily that the new Mac Mini isn't all that expensive when you consider it's a "Pro Device". Use the Pro Device term and this device makes much more sense.
@@8654ZuluFoxtrot What about comparing Apple to Logical computer that is cheaper and more powerful. The only thing Apple fanboys can say is; Mac is smaller and has MacOS....and cost 80% more.
@@GeckoClever None of what you just wrote is even remotely correct. All I see is someone who has probably never owned a Mac crying. Name a comparable PC product that is spec'd exactly the same and is 80% cheaper. Please....were waiting.
@@8654ZuluFoxtrot No PC is exactly like this because people buy a PC to be reliable and powerful, not cheap and underpowered. You can build a PC on many websites that give a better price than this, and put in a GPU if you wanted to. Stop thinking you know more than me, iSheep. I know everything about a computer, how it is made, how it works, how it thinks. I'm not an apple user that gets their information from biased youtubers and twitter as you do.
*Amazon:*
CPU + Motherboard: Intel Core i3-8100 + ASUS PRIME Z370-A *$274.98*
Case: MasterBox Q300L *39.99*
RAM: Ballistix 8GB DDR4 2666MHz *$69.49*
SSD: Intel 760p 128 GB *$76.48*
PSU: EVGA 450W *$29.99*
Mac Mini: $799
Custom PC: *$490.93*
Difference: 38.60%
Mac Mini, the only thing that is upgradable is the Ram.
The custom computer can last forever because everything is upgradable.
The 80% was an exaggeration, ONLY if you look at the base model. *Try and upgrade the Mac Mini to 2TB. It's overpriced.*
Windows 10 can be installed for FREE on Microsoft's website.
If you're using the monitor connected to the Mac you're losing a lot of performance, try connecting your monitor to the egpu so data travels one way only
I'd like to see the same tests repeated with a Vega 56 or 64 in your eGPU enclosure.
Actually eGPUs today in 2020 connected to Mac Minis are starting to demolish the iMac 5K 27" and getting pretty damn close to the iMac Pros for a great price
For me, it'd be a MacBook Pro that I can do all of those things on and be able to take it anywhere I like as well.
What Apple is doing now is giving us options. I used to have a MacBook Pro for the very reason you stated. But I no longer need portability and I want the small form factor and upgradability of this Mac Mini, I can use whatever monitor I want (and I want to use an UltraWide) and I can use whatever GPU I want, even Nvidia cards can be used with a workaround. People don't need to argue about these devices, you simply need to sit down and weigh out the pros and cons and pick the one that best suits your needs.
Richard Barnes It can’t do all of those things and costs an additional $1000+, but portability is appealing.
Apple Bits Not really, for a similar spec it’s more like $700 difference especially if you look for deals out there. The MacBook Pro also includes a built in keyboard w/ touchbar, trackpad and best in class display and speakers. Even more compact than Mac Mini and portable.
Did you use a widescreen monitor in this video?
I have the 2014 mini and I'm using all 4 usb port and 2, 4 port usb hubs!
I don't think I could manage all of my peripherals with only two usb ports!
So now I'll have to lay out more cash for thunderbolt to usb connectors?
Thanks again Apple!
Right now I can get that Mac Mini with Exactly same Aspects as yours for 2,099.00 in B&H I think it might be worth it!
Nice to see results but I wanted to see it hooked up. I've thought of getting one of these as a portable computer. Add a portable Retina monitor, mechanical keyboard and mouse and it provides ports, replaceable display, replaceable keyboard and fewer thermal issues than the MacBook Pros.
Wearing Bose QC’s I can tell your mic is table mounted. Needs relocating. Quite painful every time you tap the table
He just needs to use a high pass filter.
Thank you Soooo much for this video. You more than answered my question. I just bought a 15 inch MBP w/ 16GB RAM. But the 2018 Mac mini came up on my radar & I was thinking about swapping while still in my return period. I just started my own TH-cam channel and use iMovie currently. However, I know Final Cut will be in my future. After watching several vids on TH-cam about the weak graphic card on the Mini, I was debating if investing in a eGPU was worth the cost or just stick with the MBP. The MBP is still more expensive. But the price difference, even with 3rd party RAM & eGPU added, is worth keeping the MBP. I love the display on it. I love the Touch Bar & Touch ID. But mostly, I just cannot give up my mobility to edit anywhere on my laptop. Thanks again!👍
Perfect for me, I use it for music production and don't need a lot of GPU :)
PinballLunatic thanks for this . That’s exactly why I’m considering it
how much time it will take for 1080p video rendering make video on that also
Thanks for this. Would you consider doing a video on EGUs in general and when they are beneficial? I shoot 4K science films and do everything inhouse except the color and final audio mix. I'm wondering how much it would improve my workflow if I used an EGU.
Great review, Aaron! I would like to know how long the MacBook Air will take to do the same video export with an eGPU connected. Could you test that? Thanks
Great review Aaron. Did you actually get the LG 34WK95U-W monitor to work with 2018 mac mini at full 5K 5120 x 2160 resolution over TB3 without eGPU? I am considering the LG 34WK95U-W for my 2018 mac mini; however, there are many conflicting opinions regarding the ability of mac mini to connect to this monitor at full resolution.
I would appreciate your guidance.
Is the Egpu an external device that needs a gpu installed or does the Epu come with the gpu installed already ?
Thanks!
Should I decide to setup another Apple desktop system I'd go with a Mini too. Have an old 27" iMac. Overpriced like almost all Apple products. Good to know there are companies like Sonnet with eGPU's. Should any one feel the need for one.
How do you think it will perform for music production?
If you want to get into macOS it's better to check used parts such as MacBook Pro 2012 (still supported by macOS latest version). It will cost you around 300 bucks. Or you could try hackintoshing...
Just curios how this would perform with eGPU. Is it better or less than iMac and MBP. Just curious. Thanks in advance.
Can someone explain how a older generation and slower clock speed i7 with 16GB less ram AND a mobile dedicated GPU beat the Mac Mini setup with a eGPU???? Isn't that the whole point of upgrading hardware, what has happened here
I didn't know what those little boxes were or how they worked. Thanks for the info!
Thanks for the video. All I can add is that after getting very excited by the Mac Mini I ended up jumping to a dell gaming laptop (£934 versus £2.5k for the equivalent Mac) after hearing about the throttling on an i7 inside the Mac Mini chassis. Real hard sell for video work especially when combined with the lack of a dedicated GPU.
My late 2012 mac mini only has 1 thunderbolt 2 port on it
Hey so I really dig your video. I'm looking to getting one thinking I7 8gb 256 or just go i5? Buying the 32 gigs of RAM and doing it myself. Eventually I wanna use an egpu and here's my question. Which should I get? I'm only using Lightroom and photoshop so I know it doesn't need to be a Vega 64 lol but thoughts on some recommendations? I'm shooting with a Sony A7r3 and 85mb 14bit raw files. Currently using a 2012 Mac mini i7 16gb 256 SSD.
I have 2016 macbook pro 15inch with touch bar. Does it worth to buy MAC mini for Xcode?
The only spec I upgrade is the CPU. With the money you save doing your own RAM an staying with base storage, you can add external storage an reasonably good GPU. Also this is not a machine you want to do any heavy graphic editing over a period of 8-16 hours a day, every day.
You should try to do that comparison with an iPad Pro and see how adventurous it will be interesting
My choice would be to Get the i7/8g/128gb SSD which is around $999. Well worth the money because of TB3 ports. Rest can be added externally. Btw I don’t own a MacBook. I’m a FCPX user.
I want to get one of those because I have the 2014 MacBook Pro and my particular one SUCKS
I keep looking at this Mac Mini. First off, thank you for the video, comparing it to other models with & without an eGPU. My current Mac is an iMac 5K late 2014 model. No longer under warranty and suffering from over heating. It's already had it's heat sync replaces, along with other parts, while it was under warranty. Of course right after the warranty expired, the issues returned.
Wondering if I should try having my current iMac repaired (may or may not cost a lot) or if I should invest in a high-end Mac Mini or wait to see what the rumored Mac Pro will bring. I mostly just watch streamed games on Twitch while maybe messing around in Photoshop or playing a little Ark (back when Ark actually worked flawlessly on my iMac, but patches broke the game).
Great video! Thanks! Do you have benchmarks for your Macbook Pro 2016 using you eGPU with FCPX?
I would say the iMac line has a way better value. I can see why you'd go with the Mac Mini, especially if you already have a monitor, but I'd still go with the iMac Pro and just use an external display if desired. People don't really need a "portable desktop" unless they're moving it consistently around the house like I am with my iMac 27" 5K, up and down the stars, from my studio to the living room, gets annoying.
We bought a 27 inch 2010 iMac. The video board died two years ago and Apple doesn't support it any longer. I have talked about getting it repaired but it's not really worthwhile. So a great 27 inch display is gathering dust in the basement. The things that break on MacBook Pros: keyboards, inverters, displays, graphics chips. I work at home and at the office and could just take the Mini back and forth.
Justin Zetzer It does have better value, but is currently less powerful and doesn’t have the same versatility.
Why would you get 10gb Ethernet if you’re not going to use as a server chain? Thanks for a good review.
Future proofing for future plans
Is it possible to do an update with setting up Windows 10 using an AMD egpu and Mac mini?
Why is the MacBook Pro 2017 faster than the mac mini? I mean, the Mac Mini has a faster clock speed as well as 2 extra cores, and twice the ram and a better gpu, why is it slower?
To not cannibalize the forthcoming Mac Pro?
@@stanislavtihohod Still, if hardware is better, it should perform better, right?
@@BitPlayYT If it was a timeline with a 4k video with no added graphic, color grading, transitions etc, the mac mini would have been faster but if you add graphic? the GPU makes a huge difference in timeline performance and rendering this timeline. The mac mini is good for people who don't need the power of GPU, for the rest Apple want you to buy it's more expensive products as the imac, imac pro or the macbook pro.
add $500 eGPU with Mac Mini you can blow the iMac away. LOL.
@@CartubeCoIl Hmm that makes sense, but the MacBook Pro used with the benchmark at 5:38 has a weaker GPU and the Mac Mini has a better eGPU (RX 580) and still the Macbook Pro is faster
It use $220 i5 8500 cpu, $90 8gigs RAM, $200 pcie SSD, iPhone size basic motherboard and low power psu. What Apple charging extra $400-500 for. Aluminium chassis?
Would you recommend this for photo editing ? Not a video person just strictly Lightroom and maybe some casual Photoshop for larger edits.
How loud does the Mac Mini's fan get when rendering 4K and HD video? How much graphics editing can be done using the Intel UHD Graphics 630?
Great video! Are there any inexpensive monitors you would recommend to use with the new mac mini? Like $200 and under?
Anything is ok in that price range. However I would step up to an lg 4K or dell ultra sharp 4k
zollotech thanks! 😊
if i have the money i think i may buy a ipad pro 11 for portability and because im not into edited video but a nice device for different kind of person. Great video!
I literally have this exact model and configuration. I will be adding an eGPU with Vega 64. I suspect my export times will be somewhat faster than this. We will see.
Liquid Valium how did you go ? Have any export comparisons
@@lukekenny3242 Yes. I do have it now. I will be testing out several 4k 60 files and their render, effects, and export times. I will post them this weekend.
@@RockyColaFizz I have it already and the eGPU does not make a difference on export as compression only uses the CPU not the eGPU. eGPU is used for rendering and effects not for codecs really from what I can see
@@Interceptor121 In my initial findings I noted the following. For a 3 minute 4K 60FPS file that I export out at 4k 30FPS in H.264. It takes 3 minutes 31 seconds to export without eGPU. With the Vega 64 eGPU it took 2 minutes and 46 Seconds. A time savings of about 45 seconds - or to scale it as a percentage it saved about 20%. So if you were doing a very large export it would make a small but noticeable difference. However when applying effects on a 10 minute 4k file the difference was huge. I added a stabilization effect and a crisp contrast to the file and the total time to render it without the eGPU was 55 minutes. With the eGPU it was 22 minutes. So that is certainly where the differences are clear.
Liquid Valium
It will only make a difference when you have a ‘complex’ timeline with a lot of effect etc and in my test no difference with prores. Probably h264 is different but i dont use it with fcpx. For render and effects ir stabilisation instead it makes a huge different
I really hope Apple updates the Mac mini again and this time at least add the option of a dedicated graphics card. A 4gb and 8gb option would be perfect.
I am just annoyed that they soldered the storage on the board.
You could have saved 900 dollars for the same ram and 1128 gb of ssd storage if you would have used a samsung ssd and upgraded the ram yourself. Doesn’t seem like the effort is worth almost a grand. Ssd shouldn’t really affect performance. As far as I know apple used slower ssds in the mini compared to the macbook pro. An external ssd should be good enough
great review. Got mine this week.
4:40 - It's warm because heat is dissipating - externally...it has got to go somewhere! If you don't feel it, it means the internal is getting hotter and hotter (assuming the unit is running)...till it reaches a high point of thermal equilibrium. Thermal dynamics. @5:36 - You need to work on your PowerPoint presentation / layout skill.
Great review. Are you going keep editing on your MacBook Pro then and return the Mac mini?
Most likely
zollotech what about a iMac pro wouldn’t that work better?
Yeah, but that is a minimum of $5000
Awesome video
You would edit video even faster with an iPad Pro and LumaFusion ~ real time, before any additional effects.
Yeah, I’ve been playing around with that
Not in the same league as this guy but..
Just had fitted a 1tb SSD to my 2009 4gb Mac mini. The performance upgrade has blown me away. Reboot times and app launches are brisk. It's like a new machine! £240 all in.. 😀
I had huge problems with a noisy fan after adding an SSD to a pre-existing HDD, fitting dual drives in a mid-2011 model. Only a small improvement was made when alone leaving the SSD in there. As long as I don´t run a lot of video the noise is subtle. Of course, the speed of an SSD was and is very noticeable.
I later chose a rather expensive route in adding to add external SSDs in a thunderbolt bay, to dual-boot systems, e.g. other versions of OS, Windows, Linux etc.
No doubt USB C will bring closer alternatives to connecting directly to the internal PCI port or a - non-existing - eSATA port.
Once we start summing up $2600 + eGPU + external display, mouse, keyboard, etc.., we're getting close to $3900 (price of certified refurbished iMac Pro) really fast.
Mac has become recently a bit too heavy on the price. The reason customer buys mac is the software. But now we are facing computers that are at least double in price comparing to the same thing in windows version. This again brings up the question isn't it better just to go back to windows and simply buy the software that you will need again and get a faster computer or keep paying a premium price . For me I don't play games so build in video card more than sufficient . I don't have the answer but I do hope Apple gets around and makes some price corrections because there sales are going down and I am planning to get a new laptop but I want to see more value for the money.
Have you made sure FCPX is set to "prefer external GPU" in Mojave? In my experience FCPX is bad about not fully utilizing an eGPU when exporting/rendering unless you force it. I've used an RX 580 eGPU with my 2016 15" MBP which is very similar to the 2017 one you test here, and when forcing eGPU use, it can do a BruceX export twice as fast compared to without the eGPU.
Yes. It is set to prefer the external gpu
Weird, not sure what's going on here then. An RX 580 eGPU should still smoke the 560, even over TB3.
This is been my experience across all the MacBooks that I’ve used with the EGPU. With exports over 10 minutes, you normally will see about a 25% gain when exporting in my experience. I think some of it has to do with you not getting the full bandwidth of the video card as to one plugged into a board itself.
I used export as master file in h.264, 4K
@@zollotech In the video, you said that you connected the egpu to the Mac mini, and the display to the Mac mini as well. Instead, you should connect the display to the egpu. You're loosing a lot of TB3 bandwidth if you force it to output the image through the Mac mini's display port.
You don't actually talk about what you say in the video title
Needs a Hot plate element decal on the top
What resolution are you able to achieve with the LG 34WK95U-W and Sonnet eGPU, and which port? I have this same set-up with monitor and mini. I was using a Razer Core X eGPU with an ASUS AMD Vega 64 Card. But the best resolution I could get out of it was 3440x1440 over the DisplayPort port, and that didn't seem right (all the letters were slightly fuzzy). The Vega 64 seized up after a week so I returned both so I can get the BlackMagic eGPU Pro and connect via Thunderbolt whenever it becomes available (hopefully).
Correct me if I am wrong. Seems to me, FCPX not fully utilize eGPU in exporting video. How about color correction and color grading work? Is there any significant difference? I have a max out macbook pro mid 2012 with an old integratedGPU. I am still hesitant to upgrade to the newest macbook pro for video editing work. I think I would be better saving more money if I buy mac mini i5 + eGPU(rx580) instead and still keep my old macbook (+ipad pro) for mobile.
I am just not sure at the moment about the performance of mac mini combined with eGPU for graphic intense work on FCPX. Let me know what you think. Thank you
It uses the egpu a lot depending on what you’re doing with it.
so are you going to use this as your main editing machine?
I was. I decided not to
@@zollotech i assume you went back to your macbook pro?
I imagine an eGPU stackable with the Mini and with a proper GPU would sell like hotcakes. Not much point in getting a tiny computer if the eGPU enclosure attached to it is the size of a mITX system like most of them are.
When testing the new Mac mini, did you notice any hissing noise (very faint) coming from the inside? Thats what I can hear from my Mac Mini (the exact same setup)... not permanently, but mostly when doing I/O operations... should I regard that as a flaw and return the device to Apple?
No. None at all
The problem is Apple never figure out RAM and SSD are all price drop hugely. Apple charges RAM and SSD extremely overpriced. so you get nothing faster if you pay $4000 for only upgrade RAM and SSD.
4:00 your graph showing me it didnt holding 3.2ghz a couple of times, while saying its above 3.2ghz all the time
Quality video. Subscribed ;)
What if the ssd fails? Will the whole motherboard need to be replaced?
Yes. That’s true of any Mac products sold today except maybe the iMacs
Hmmm
Dont worry u can used as a ash holder 🤣🤣🤣
Only if you don't have your system drive on external storage. An external ssd and an enclosure that supports either usb 3.1 or thunderbolt 3 speeds is waaaay cheaper than buying the storage from apple! Samsung evo ssd's are about to go on sale for black friday too, I was pretty happy when I found out about that.
SinCityCello Interesting. Can Mac OS boot from external drive? will the T2 chip cause any issues with this?
Okay processor, good RAM, nice that the RAM is upgradable, small SSD, but fast, good IO, paltry graphics processor. They ask too much money for what it is. 6/10. It's a definite improvement over the 2014 Mac mini.
having hard time believing that macbook pro could beat this setup with egpu tho, did something go wrong?
Nope. The MacBook Pro has a dedicated GPU which can run at full speed. Even though thunderbolt 3 is fast it only can push about 80% of the actual speed of the gpu. While I did not have many thermal issues with the Mac mini, the 2017 MacBook Pro doesn’t throttle or dip in speed hardly at all. My 2017 MacBook Pro also beat the 218 MacBook Pro for the same reason earlier this year. The tests are setup exactly the same. In fact if you connect an eGPU on one of the new 2018 MacBooks it will slow it down because it can’t handle the heat of having to process data from that eGPU as well. There are many others who found the same thing
@@zollotech would you say Macbook Pro with 32gb/512gb + Vega 20 as portable and main home system would be better than Mac Mini 32gb/512gb w/ eGPU? you could always add an eGPU to the Macbook pro and additional storage chassis via tb3..
I wasn’t clear on the heat factor when using an external gpu. When using two monitors my computer gets very hot and the fan kicks in loud. Will using an external gpu lower the temp when rubbing two screens?
Running*
Thanx for the review! I'm looking to get the exact same setup for a second editing PC. Have you tried RAW or Braw playback 4K or 4.6K with this? I know it's not going to be enough with grades and effects added. But looking for smooth playback only.
Thanks for subtitles. Now I can use translate. 🙂
Thanks very much for this video ;)
That rendering-times page surely made this even more useful.
And i'm glad you're not yet another gamer..doing this.
I wanted to get a cheaper Mac, hence the Mini approach..as my Audio Workstation machine.
But if i want to get an eGPU later, for 3d Graphic Work as i also do a lot of CAD, ..
--->> you're saying that i might as well get the iMac..is that it ?
Going for the Mini, i would probably get the :
i7 3.2 6-core,
512Gb SSD model,
10Gb ethernet,
8Gb of RAM,
and get 64G aftermarket.. installing it myself ( 360€, instead of 1200€ )
So that would be in total 2230€.
(not factoring in a monitor, evidently)
The i5 iMac (6-core) with the same approach is 2700+360= 3060€.
albeit WITH the 27" 5k screen, but only 2 Tb3 ports,
and WITH a Radeon Pro 580X 8Gb GPU, but only 1Gb ethernet
The HP Z27 is a very solid 4K _ 32"_ display for ~500€.
Unless one goes for an i9 CPU..that the Mini doesn't feature.. i reckon the Mini might still cut it.
How much will a eGPU + enclosure be ?
~400€ ?
(RX580 + Sonnet 350W)
What do you reckon ..
Any input on this ?
Thank you
This is a good video for someone in my position. This year I'm pushing hard to be a more successful professional freelance motion graphics designer & video editor. I primarily work off my 13 inch, Mid 2012 MacBook Pro its specs are:
2.5 GHz Intel Core i5
16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
Intel HD Graphics 4000 1536 MB
1 TB SSD (That I added to it myself following TH-cam tutorials)
*I pair my MacBook Pro with my ASUS MX27AQ display that I LOVE!!!!
1) I use Adobe Creative Cloud and the programs I use the most are After Effects CC 2018/19 & Premiere Pro CC 2018/19 will the Mac Mini 2018 be a good option for me?
2) Since the RAM is upgradable and I can install it myself (this does scare me because I don't want to break the product) what is the best option for a guy like me just starting out as a freelancer but wanting to have a good workstation with the Apple ecosystem?
3) Should I buy an eGPU to pair with my Mac Mini because I use After Effects & Premiere Pro for most of the few gigs I do get? What is the best kind of eGPU for someone in my position?
4) Lastly, should I buy a new monitor or continue using my ASUS MX27AQ that I love once I purchase the Mac Mini?
Thanks for this video and I would love the responses & suggestions by people
P.S.- I will eventually learn Cinema 4D but again I primarily use After Effects & Premiere Pro so that's where my bread is buttered and my focus lies...
I am in the same boat as you are. Currently running things for my video editing off the early MacBook Air. Now, thinking of upgrading to the base model Mac mini and going for an eGPU solution. Sonnet has good options (especially if you are on a budget) and from there, you can add any GPU that is in your budget and requirements.
Also, if your work is mainly photo, eGPU won't change anything. Photoshop is CPU heavy and hardly uses GPU (internal or external)
@@broadcaastdude No, my work is mainly After Effects & Premiere Pro but I'll check out the Sonnet options thanks for that bro 👍🏿
Okey people get it its expensive but while your Hyper tower of an I9 with 18 cores is faster that's not what you are paying for when you buying a mac mini you buy it for the EXTREAMLY small form factor and Mac OS.... it all depends on what you care the most about some people don't mind spending 2k$ or even 4k$ just to get that high spec with a really small form factor..
I know it's tiny, cute and all that, but at that kind of money, you'd have a video editing desktop beast, a real workhorse.
Yeah. I decided to go with something different. I have a desktop gaming pc, but don’t like premiere. I greatly prefer Final Cut Pro X
Just to clarify these temps are in F. It’s not getting hot enough to boil water!
what's the max number of displays you can connect with an eGPU plus internal ports? I would love to make a 6 screen hull hd setup in my studio with a mac mini...but so far it seems 3 is max no matter what. anyone chime in?
I'm also planning on getting an i7 mac mini with that same egpu, do you know if the egpu allows for hardware encoding on certain apps? I know OBS allows for hardware encoding while streaming on a windows computer, so I'm wondering if it works the same way on a mac with an egpu...
Yes. You can tell apps to prefer the egpu
So, you buy an expensive Mac mini, add an expensive egpu to get render time of 2018 MacBook pro 13 for cheaper price. The Mac mini should have been $200 cheaper or have some modular eGPU (and not these giants egpu we have today) that people will be able to buy if the wanted - to keep it a portable system.
And also add an external SSD and find that your 'mini' PC consumes more space on your table than a standard ATX case. Not saying, the ATX case stands on the floor and consumes zero space on your table.
The Mac Mini has desktop professors, that instantly makes it much more powerful then any MacBook Pro and maybe the iMac too. So I’m not sure why you would claim to buy those computers that are not as powerful as the Mini.
marksapollo Exactly, the processors, along with eGPU options means it outperforms all current iMacs. Graphically it can outperform the iMac Pro but of course not the CPU.
Will auto cad work on it quick or slow???
Get Xeon E5 2680 V2 (or two of them) + Huanon MB on Ali, and Autocad will work four times better for less than a half of the price.
Please help ! We´ve bought Mac Mini 2018. The mini was conected to many LCD by HDMI. Picture is terrible, not sharp, its too smudged. We have tested five monitors and pictures are still terrible. From resolution 1920x1080, 1920x1200 to 2560x1440. We have tried conected form usb-c by reduction to display port, still its terrible. Any idea ? Many thanks for any tips.
I used thunderbolt 3 and DisplayPort and it looked great. Just make sure it is scaled properly
Isn’t the iMac 27 inches a better value ? Because I need all the peripherals like display keyboard mouse and it would cost same money if not more .
Yep
Only if you need the 5k screen. I ended up deciding on a mac mini over the imac since I don't need a 5k screen or apple's expensive keyboard and mouse...even after factoring in the cost of an egpu, I realized I would be saving a thousand bucks going with a mac mini instead!
Is a great deal if you already have peripherals, if you don’t have it, is more difficult the choice
Main advantage of the mini is as long as you get the i5 or i7 you can add stuff on that you want without paying loads at point of sale for less good components. 256GB SSD fine if you use thunderbolt 3 storage (for 90% of users). I've got an older iMac already that I could use in target display. TBH I've got my mini eGPU linked to a 24 inch Matte 75hrz freesync display that is currently £90 on Amazon. Not all mac mini users are video editors so this suits my text and gaming needs better for a lot less and more powerful then anything outside mac or iMac pro (that runs mac os officially).
The thing I really hate about the iMac concept is that screens usually outlive processors and other computer parts. I also prefer high-end mechanical keyboards over the stuff from Apple, whether its their external keyboards or their MacBook keyboards.
Does this mean you can connect 5 monitors?
It will run two 5K monitors.
Nice video! Although I'm not going to buy a web surfing Mac for 800$...who is this for again? I really hope Apple releases an iMac with reasonable price/performance, otherwise I'm not buying another Apple Mac anything.
you can build a mac mini 2018 with i7 and 32gb ram and 512 ssd for 1700, much cheaper than macbook pro even if you get a rx580 added so sounds like most of you guys don't really know mac prices before you comment
Official Papi Cholo Beats no monitor, keyboard, mouse, dedicated grafikcard... its only cheaper if you got all of this already...
I'm macOS fanboy but not Apple fanboy, so I build a hackintosh :')
This.
But that’s illegal so..
@@mjlyco9752 Since when hackintosh became illegal? ))
@@stanislavtihohod it has always been. Check the copyrights on the mac os ;)
@@momchilatanasoff7456 Illegal means breaking the law, not breaking the license)
Do you know if it's possible to run the primary monitor from an attached eGPU? I have a 2018 Mac Mini and a Razor Core X, only issue i'm having is the need to have a secondary screen attached directly to the HDMI port on the MM. Any help would be much appreciated.
Yes. You can do that also.
@@zollotech How? Without disabling FileVault to bypass the password prompt, i can't see a way to achieve a setup without having a display device directly connected to the Mac Mini. Have you achieved this somehow? Would be really awesome if you could share how you\ve managed it..
I don’t use FileVault as it causes too many issues normally.
@@zollotech Understood - thanks for taking the time to respond. So if we want to keep FileVault enabled, we'll need a second screen attached directly.. I think that answers it. Come on Apple, patch this please! :D
In many years of IT experience and others I know that have Mac environments, they all disable FileVault because it causes all sorts of problems. Keep in mind, the drive is encrypted by default anyway, FileVault just encrypts all the files on the fly.
Use a high pass filter on your dialog audio... it'll get rid of those thumps and plosives... sounds like your mic is picking up vibrations from your table. Or... send me you videos and I'll fix it all for you... :)
I have a 2009 mac pro that was upgraded for a whole lot less, and would make this computer look a turtle. Sorry Apple, but you didn't even try on this computer.
Nice and honest review!!